Free agent shortstops
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 11:01 AM PST
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PrintOn Opening Day in 2008, the Giants’ starting shortstop was Brian Bocock. There were a lot of things wrong with the lineup -- Barry Zito was the ostensible ace, Jose Castillo was at third, Dave Roberts was in left, Rich Aurilia and Dan Ortmeier shared time at first base -- but the real shake-your-head magic was with Bocock starting at shortstop just a few months after hitting like a pitcher in A-ball. It’s understandable how the Giants could be caught without a backup plan to Omar Vizquel, who was only 41. How often do 41-year-olds get hurt? Only a couple each year, I’m sure.
So the next offseason, the Giants made sure to jump ahead of the market and throw money at a player who was fragile and declining. This is how they won the World Series shortly after.
The Aristocrats!
This season, the Giants could be in a similar spot if they’re not careful. The current 40-man roster has Brandon Crawford as the top shortstop, and while he might be a tick above Bocock offensively, the difference is negligible. The Giants need a shortstop.
Derek Jeter -- No. He’d make the Aaron Rowand signing look like a deft move.
Tsuyoshi Nishioka -- The Giants aren’t expected to bid on Nishioka now. Good. Red flags stapled to red flags on this one. No one’s quite sure if he can be more than an average defender in the majors, his recent success in the Pacific League is extremely average- and BABIP-dependent, he’s been injury-prone for most of his career, last year was a complete outlier compared to his other seasons, and he’s going to be really, really expensive. No.
Orlando Cabrera -- Oh, come on. We’re here already?
Edgar Renteria -- He’s preferable to Crawford at this stage, for sure, but there’s something so uninspiring about bringing him back.
Juan Uribe -- He’s almost certainly the best free agent option, which instantly makes him an iffy free agent option because of the competition he’ll create. At what point do the Giants stop matching offers? Is the third year what kills a deal? Is it when the guaranteed money gets over $20M? I can’t blame the Giants for letting him go, and I can’t blame them for overpaying him. They can’t afford to let him go, and they can’t afford to keep him.
If the options are to a) start Crawford or Ryan Rohlinger, b) grossly overpay for Jeter or Nishioka, c) give a small contract to an old-’n’-busted type like Cabrera, or d) sign Uribe for too much money, it’s not much of a choice. Uribe is by far the most palatable option, especially since it isn’t a forgone conclusion that Crawford will ever be a capable enough hitter to start.
So it’s settled. Overpay for Juan Uribe.
Unless there are players on the trade market. Like, oh, Jason Bartlett, Marco Scutaro, J.J. Hardy, Reid Brignac, and maybe even Jose Reyes. But that’s a post for another day. Like, Monday. Maybe Tuesday. It’s the offseason. I need to stretch these damned posts out. For now, though, I think we can all agree it’s Uribe or bust for the free agent shortstops. Well, there are probably a couple of Nishioka partisans, but hopefully they’ll announce their presence early so we can laugh at them.
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I clicked on the damn link!
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Wow
You totally made me throw up remembering that hopelessly bad lineup … i forgot just how much more i like this giants’ team.
No kidding
Jose Castillo, yuck.
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Castillo
Dude, hit doubles.
Castillo is the flip side of Uribe. It was would the power develop, could he keep hitting gap-to-gap. Pay him very little and see if it works. Totally didn’t sure, but it wasn’t the worst idea out there. He was young and entering his “prime years”. Bocock in the lineup, Aurilia/Ort at 1st were just bad ideas (well get Ort some ABs wasn’t the worst idea, but as primary option it was a bad plan.) For Uribe it was whether he could hit enough to stay in the majors, whether the pop would come back, and hope that he didn’t decline in defense/range to not be able to play 2b/3b and forget about everyday SS. He went the opposite direction – hit a storm and eventually excelled in the field to reclaim SS status.
Also once upon a time, Castillo was my adopted Giant. Someone has to stick up for him.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
In 2007 the Pirates had two players named Jose with experience at 3B that they jettisoned the next season. One was picked up off waivers, the other was had for a PTBNL. Both were 27 in 2008. One had a career OPS of .724, the other had an OPS of .677. Of course, Sabean went for one, and the Blue Jays picked up the other mid-season.
And there ends the tale of two Jose’s – Castillo and Bautista.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
So Joe Castle should have lead the league in HRs this year. Damn.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Nov 19, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
The Aristocrats is less offensive than the 2008 opening day lineup.
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Less skull fucking
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by NuschlerFace on Nov 19, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
What would it take to get Jed Lowrie?
Switch hitting and infield versatility! Cmon Sabean, this is porn to you!
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 19, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions
Lowrie is the reason the Sox are willing to trade Scutaro
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by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 19, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
I don't mind this
I wouldn’t like to overpay but all of this pretty much hinges on whether Pablo is the starting 3rd Baseman otherwise we’ll still need a SS
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
if that ends up happening
then I vote for a panicky trade for someone, with UUUU playing 3B.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Remember when Uribe started his own chant multiple times at the parade speech? Seems like a breach of etiquette, but you’ve gotta admire the boldness.
by Seasick fish on Nov 19, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
that fucking ruled
when you win the goddamn WS, you can chant your own name. It’s in the rules.
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by delorean on Nov 19, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
how come Tito
did it wrong? Extra points for the hip thrust, but his “OOO-OOO” reminded me of Horshack.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
“Uuu-uuu” is “Uuu” in Spanish.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Nov 19, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
The U is pronounced Ooo
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
that was awesome
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He was doing it for Jose.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
But Adrianza is. Not that he should sniff the major leagues this year either.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Actually, my hope on that is that the team is tacitly announcing that they’re willing to “Bocock” Ehire Adrianza, but not willing to ruin Brandon Crawford’s development by doing so. In the real world, I suspect it went something like this:
“Susan, which shortstop did Baseball America rate the highest for us last time?”
“That would be Ehire Adrianza, Brian.”
“Thanks, Susan. Yeah, Bobby, we better put that E-Hire guy on the 40-man, in case Uribe plays hardball in negotiations. You get that, Bobby? I said ‘hardball.’ Cuz, like, it totally works on more than one level. No, seriously, I just thought that one up.”
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Rule 5
They put Adrianza on the 40 man because otherwise he would have been picked by another team in the Rule 5 Draft that will be held during the Winter Meetings in the 2nd week of December.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Like Fla-Giant said
Rule 5 draft protects him because he almost certainly would have been taken. Don’t know if they would have kept him because of the having to keep him in the 25 man.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Since he didn’t get above A ball, a team would only have to keep him at AA all year to keep him.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Is that right? The Padres had to keep Everth Cabrera on their major league roster all year in 2009 and he’d never been above A ball. I think you might be thinking of the minor league portion of the Rule 5, which frankly I don’t understand at all.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I think it would depend on what portion of the Rule 5 they pick him in. If they pick him in the major league portion then he needs to spend the whole year in the majors. If they pick him in AAA then he would have to stay in AAA, etc.
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Go Roger Kieschnick! And son, please continue to break scoreboards on your way to San Francisco.
So the players that are eligible for the minor league portion of the draft are those Rule 5 eligible players who were not selected already in the major league rule 5 draft?
This sounds reasonable.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Hey it’s Walrusman.
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IIRC he has a warning from Grant with some hitler dick picture.
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Maybe I'm completely alone on this one
But A Fontenot/Rohlinger SS platoon would not make me shake with anger.
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That seems like the kind of thing that would theoretically work but has a pretty huge potential for being replacement level or worse.
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Probably worse.
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by can of corn on Nov 19, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
I’m in this line.
After believing for so long in the theoretical future production of Bowker, Schierholtz, et al I’m leery of putting too much weight behind plans with such a large level of uncertainty.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Uncertainty?
Like signing Aubrey Huff, praying Freddy Sanchez’s body parts don’t fly off at inopportune times, and bringing in Pat Burrell to provide that offense we’ve been missing?
=P.
I see where you guys are coming from, but Fontenot is a relatively proven quantity, especially against LHP. It’s not an ideal situation, but when you consider just how bad average SS production is, all I’m saying is that it wouldn’t be the worst thing.
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I'm also fine with this
As long as we get Huff back, our line-up will be far superior to opening day in 2010. Then belt…
by giantdonkey on Nov 19, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
That's fine
As long as Huff is back.
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Ross is arb eligible
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I'm in this line.
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I really want Rohlinger to get everyday playing time.
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I'd be okay with this
If the Giants sign Carl Crawford and Aubrey Huff and Juan Uribe to play 3rd.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Fontenot? He of 13 Major league games at SS? I almost don’t mind the Rohlinger part, but I’m not convinced Fontenot should have even as mush as a true platoon role. I really have him as more of a 25th guy on roster – IF back-up and some lefty PH. But I can see where you are coming from (maybe) since NotGrant has had some decent wOBA in the past.
I am surprised by Fontenot’s BABIP numbers. What skill set gets him that BABIP? Can we expect it to decline at 30? Is it sustainable at all?
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
Fontenot is a shortstop like Pedro Feliz is a catcher.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
The Aristocrats!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
/snaps fingers and poses
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
lol Drew Carey
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
::sadface::
i missed out on the Aristocrats joke
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Feh.
Big difference between an above average 2b playing short and Us playing catcher.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hyperbole for the purposes of making a point in a humorous way is like Shawn Estes playing the outfield on a stolen bike.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Oh I agree
But the point you were trying to make is that Fontenot would be a poor shortstop, right? I don’t think that’s necessarily the case – especially when you consider that people like Migeul Tejada are still getting starts at shortstop on major league contending teams.
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I really, really do think that Fontenot would be a poor shortstop — among the worst in baseball, if not the worst. His range is fine for second, but his arm is weak. His range would be below-average at short, and his arm would be awful — think Eckstein, but without the quick release.
Tejada is a statue, but he has a stronger, more accurate arm. And, really, I don’t think “Fontenot can’t be as bad as the worst shortstop in the league” is a good argument, especially when I can correlate/causalate my way into a Tejada-is-responsible-for-the-Padres-pitching-decline counter-argument.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 20, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
you're RIGHT
Pedro Feliz IS available!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I find both very cute
So this is a bad idea
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Nov 19, 2010 12:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That's a fine safety plan
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I don't think of it as a platoon so much as a
“Winner get starting job.” “Loser gets traded to Baltimore”
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But it sounds so… Boring. When I read that post in my head, it was in the voice of Ben Stein.
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by Useful_Idiot on Nov 19, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
Here’s a sneak peak of a post I’m working on.
Free Agent SS w/ Weighted (5/4/3) WAR for next year
Name P.1 P.2 2008 2009 2010 Weighted Derek Jeter SS 3.7 7.1 2.5 3.5 Juan Uribe SS 3B 0.2 2.8 3.2 1.9 Miguel Tejada 3B SS 3.3 2.8 1.3 1.8 Orlando Cabrera SS 2B 3.5 0.8 1.3 1.3 David Eckstein 2B SS 0.1 0.9 2.0 0.9 Cristian Guzman SS 2B 3.2 0.7 -0.1 0.8 Edgar Renteria SS 2B 1.4 0.3 1.3 0.8 Cesar Izturis SS 1.5 1.0 -0.3 0.5
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So really...
By this estimation, is O.Cab at 1yr – $2.5 mil that much worse than Uribe who will likely get 3 years @ $20 mil ?
by giantdonkey on Nov 19, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
1.9>1.3
And the weights may not totally capture how different a player Orlando is now than in 2008. Is he (or Guzman or Rent) bounce back material.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
I just threw up in my own mouth
But I think of that list after Uribe, David Eckstein would be my next choice.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
if he's in the same lineup as Cody
the Giants will lead the league in scrappy!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Now I feel like throwing up in your mouth too.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, wow, that’s disgusting
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
A little different
but this made me think of Clerks
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Snowballs? (Am I thinking of the right movie?)
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Yeah, I think that's what they were called
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I have to ask
Did you respond by also throwing up? I’m not really sure how you couldn’t…
by Calum on Nov 19, 2010 6:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
no
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Grant warned me with that .gif once.
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LUCKY
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
You must have been honored.
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 19, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Natto warned me with this one once
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I got warned with Goofus’ phone number once, that was weird.
48 years after his heart was broken by a Willie McCovey line out to Bobby Richardson, Charlie Brown finally has his championship.
Wait, what?
I think Howie should start warning people with pictures of himself.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
He warned me with a picture of him in crocks. At least I think that was him…
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Crocs, as in those rubber clogs? Wow.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
(it’s a Brett Favre dick joke – Favre had crocs on in his dong shot)
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I was just gonna let her think that Howie rocks the crocks but you had to go and ruin it.
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I know. I had to, though. Mostly because I want to make sure everyone knows that Favre handles his junk while wearing crocs.
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Hey, did you read the Colin Wyers piece on BP about Jeter? He argues that Jeter’s fielding is probably much worse than the leading defensive metrics would lead you to believe, making him a literally replacement-level player at this point.
This makes me think that if Uribe ends up being too expensive, the Giants should stick to internal options.
48 years after his heart was broken by a Willie McCovey line out to Bobby Richardson, Charlie Brown finally has his championship.
Better to be low-priced and shitty than expensive and shitty.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Fontenot/Crawford/Adrianza platoon? I wouldn’t mind Crawford’s defense…but I have a feeling his hitting fall off a cliff. Granted, considering the options…I’d take Crawford. At least he’s cheap.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Why do people think that Fontenot can play SS? Sure, he can stand out there, but he’s just not a SS.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 19, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
He’s got a weak arm but decent range. I think he’d be poor but not terrible, and SS defense just isn’t as important for this team as for most.
In this line
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Because we have a good amount of data
Which indicates that he’s a well-above-average defender at 2B, which means he probably has the range for SS too. The arm is weak, but nobody is perfect. He could probably handle it.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’m definitely in the re-sign Uribe camp, but if that’s not going to happen, at least get someone moderately replacement level rather than an embarrassment at the position (which I think Fontenot would be, having seen his limited play at SS for the Cubs – UZR super small sample agrees, FWIW), or an embarrassment at the plate (which I think Crawford would be).
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Edelweiss said he thought Fontenot could handle the position.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
he or she
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Thanks
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
pfft
all this graph shows me is that Uribe’s War for next year can only go up.
EXTRAPOLATION FTW
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Apparently, Scutaro is on the trade block...
He’s a pretty good shortstop and he doesn’t cost an arm and a leg… I would be happy with trading for him
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Seems like the 2nd best option between re-signing Uribe & overpaying for Jeter.
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
Give up the Jeter talk...
It won’t happen. Jeter is going no where.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
If we’re considering trades, Hardy and Drew are somewhere in that spectrum as well, and one may even be better than Uribe.
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How about Panda for Reynolds and Drew? Probably too lopsided for the Giants though.
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Yes, that’s in the Giants’ favor.
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I’d take it. Pablo for Drew AND Reynolds?
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Towers never would.
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I know. I mean, the guy thinks he’s gonna get 5 first round, MLB ready players for Upton.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I know that’s an exaggeration, but Towers’ demands for Upton are reasonable. He’s at an unprecedented level of trade value historically for a player on the block.
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reasonable?
it would take Belt, Neal, Bumgarner and Sanchez or Cain to pry Upton from ARI. I don’t think Towers even wants to move Upton. I just think he’s waiting for someone to come to him with a foolish offer.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a little much.
I think maybe Belt, Sandoval, and Sanchez plus a couple of filler prospects would get Towers to sign off on it.
I think Bumgarner has more value than you give him credit for.
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Bumgarner has a ton of value, and playoff accolades to go with it. I’m not discrediting any of our players- I fully acknowledge the value in every one of the players in listed, knowing that that is seriously how much Towers wants for Upton, because it’s not like Towers is trying to get rid of Upton. If someone wants him, they are gonna have to PAY.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
This.
But I don’t care how foolish anyone else is as long as its not us.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
exactly. sabes better not be thinking about this AT ALL.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t remember where…but I think he already said our starting rotation is locked up. Which means Sanchez and/or Bumgarner aren’t going anywhere. Which means no Upton. Which is perfectly okay.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Yeah I dunno. Seems to me that DBack fans (not sure about the organization) are down on both Drew and Reynolds. Drew was supposed to be a superstar and they don’t like Reynolds’ strikeout numbers.
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Not saying that trade is feasible but I think both players are available. I’m probably overvaluing Panda though.
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/throws in Velez
There. Done deal. What else?
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by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I have high hopes for Pablo, but I’m not attached anymore. If he goes down the drain, I will be sad, but more for him than the team. He’s just so likeable.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I also have hopes for Panda, but i’d ship his fat ass off to Arizona in a heartbeat, if it brought us Drew.
im not sure how much longer Drew is cost controlled for, but I wouldn’t give up Belt. He’s our only 1B option for the future.
But Panda, Ish, Nate and Wheeler I’d give up for Drew
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
I am utterly baffled by some of the Crawford-love that goes on here. He has a .729 minor league OPS. This year it was .712 in the EL. He strikes out a ton and has middling power. And yet there’s a large contingent of people ready to give him a starting job in 2012. (Maybe that’s what the Mayans were auguring.)
If Brandon Crawford ever becomes a major league starting SS, he’s going to have to become a fundamentally different hitter, and I don’t know why anyone would bet on that, let alone chastise someone for fantasizing about Drew.
There are plenty of ML shortstops with OPS between 600-700. It’s not ideal, but it’s not out of the question.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
a good-fielding
average or near-average shortstop if developed and cost-controlled for the long term would be a great thing.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 21, 2010 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Because is defense is ready.
So we’re all just hoping to God his bat magically wakes up…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
That’s a little much.
Panda and Wheeler and a B prospect would probably do it.
No need to include Belt.
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That’s for Upton.
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Panda for Upton, Reynolds, and Drew.
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You realize how rare pandas are right?
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by jhiat00 on Nov 19, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
not so
Upton, at his age and team control is one of the most valuable commodities in all of baseball.
I believe
Tower said Drew would be last player he would trade…
If the Giants can get Drew for Panda, Wheeler, and a prospect…that deal should be done yesterday
I’m not sure I would do that.
Sandoval has 4 years left on him. Wheeler has 6 potential years of cost control left. Drew has 3, and while he did run out 5 WAR last year he never exceeded 2.2 in any other year.
Yes, he has a much better scouting pedigree than Sandoval, but he is 3 years older.
Sandoval has had the exact same number of superstar seasons as Drew. I keep the Panda.
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If nothing else, my foolish trade proposal spurred a decent subthread.
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Accolades, accolades!
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Getting my stock up.
Someone proposed to trade me for Ryan Theriot. That was a real wake up call.
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Theriot seems a little high, for your value.
How about a PTBNL
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
No, he isn’t.
You get Upton, and you get 5 years of a player who is 24 in his first year at cost-controlled prices.
That is absolutely ridiculous.
Upton probably has twice the trade value of Drew.
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The value of a player is only what the market can support.
Drew is worth a ton because the SS market is so thin.
Upton is not as hot of a commodity because he is a RF, with a slash .275/.355/.450 and speed.
That could all change on any given day. But right now, Drew is more valuable to most teams than Upton
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Look at Uribes situation. This is a scarce SS FA market this year. So what do you think is happening? Alot of teams are looking for a SS, and Uribe (while good) is not great, but he’s the best out there, which will drive his price up.
I’m not talking about the value of a player on paper. I’m talking about the value of a player on the market. I took Micro and Macro Economics and majored in Business. I know what I’m talking about.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
ok
Would you trade the next 5 years of Posey for the next 3 years of Drew ? I didn’t think so….
He said he wanted more for Drew than for Upton
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Well then. Either I overestimated Towers, or his true opinions don’t match his press releases.
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That's like an Upton package
At least the Panda, Belt, Wheeler part
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
sadly that’s not realistic. Drew is so freakin good, i mean, its rediculous. it would cost us a SP, maybe more
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is
Drew was a superstar (5 WAR) last year.
And while the average fan hates the strikeouts, Towers is smarter than that.
Pablo seems to be a fair match for Reynolds alone, but he’s not even close to Drew’s value.
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problem with Reynolds, is that he’s alot like Burrell. All or nothing, tons of raw power, tons of K’s.
I think Reynolds has speed though.
And Drew? he’s so freakin valuable. Like Furcal type value, maybe more
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
They’re similar. Reynolds is a version of Burrell in which the good and the bad are accentuated.
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and he’s younger than Pat. otherwise, same player in many ways. Pat (at 34?) does hit for .050 more average than Reynolds, lol.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
that’s probably an age factor. I’m not sure about Reynolds defensive prowess currently, but Pat won the Gold Spikes award in college and was a first overall pick, so his D couldn’t have sucked when he was younger.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
i dont remember much of Pat’s early days. I just figure you don’t win the Golden Spikes unless you game is good all the way around. It’s like the Heisman of baseball.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
This is like the argument we had on here about Garko. He won the Johnny Bench Award at Stanford and someone used that as proof of his defensive prowess. This despite the fact that scouting reports at the time viewed him exclusively as a 1B/DH. Voters for MVP-type awards really only care about hitting.
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by zenbitz on Nov 19, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently, Scutaro is on the trade block...
He’s a pretty good shortstop and he doesn’t cost an arm and a leg… I would be happy with trading for him
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He always makes me say “meh.”
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by can of corn on Nov 19, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I like Scutaro a lot.
Love selective hitters, and he’s one of the best at that skill.
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You can say that again.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
I want Uribe back
But if they can’t get him at a cheap price, I would be fine with a trade for Jason Bartlett.
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Jeter
Heyman is reporting that NYY have offered Jeter 3yr/$45M
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by delorean on Nov 19, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand this
The Yankees are just bidding against themselves. They both know Jeter isn’t going anywhere.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
huh what?
it’s not bidding, it’s negotiation. I’m sure the Jeter camp thinks 3yr/$15M is abSURDly low.
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Either way I just really don’t see the point of giving a 3 year deal for a 36 year old SS with declining range an who probably won’t want to move from SS.
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public relations.
asses in seats.
At this point, almost none of Jeter’s value is on the field — it’s (heh) intangible.
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It’s tangible at the cash register.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
asses in seats.
Iread that as assets in the seats, which is probably appropriate when your upper level tickets start at $260 per game
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
i would have been surprised, but not shocked
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
stubhub=playoff game that is
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
Blame it on the Yankees
They have pre-filled offer-sheet templates where they just fill in the name of the player. Unfortuntely for them, the lowest lowest amount on any of the templates 3/$45M.
The thong is, it happened.
This is actually not completely unreasonable
I mean, 2 out of the last 3 years, Jeter has been worth 15 million or more.
He was only worth ~ 9 last year, but that was with a BABIP which was like 40 points below his career average.
I hate to accuse the Yankees of being reasonable, but if Derek Jeter was just another guy, I could see him signing somewhere for 3/45.
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of course
and 3/45 is probably even overpaying, given his fairly precipitous decline. that is to say, if he were another guy and not The Captain. But again, I’m sure the Jeter camp is scoffing at that offer.
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Looks like his GB% is way up and LD% is way down too. My bold prediction is that he’s fallen off of a cliff.
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was that you who I was having a debate about BABIP not telling you much without accompaying LD% and GB% recently?
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe. It’s my opinion that you always should take BABIP and LD% together.
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it wasn’t you then, because i was of the same opinion, saying that BABIP doesn’t say much without accompanying LD% and GB%.
Whoever it was was saying that BABIP is strictly whether you are getting lucky or not, and I was saying that’s not true if the LD and GB%s rise or fall.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll concede that some luck is involved but I think looking at LD% gives you a better idea how much (especially when looking at SSS of BABIP).
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yeah we were arguing a seasons worth of BABIP luck too, and I was like dude, LD% is down, GB% is up, BABIP is way down, AVG is way down, he did not just have an unlucky year.
I forget who were were talking about. Might have been Ryan Howard.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps Mark Reynolds.
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somehow i remember the argument better than i remember who or what it was about. sounds familiar to anyone who is married or divorced, lol
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
YOU ALL LAUGHED AT ME WHEN I SAID THERE WAS NO WAY THE YANKEES OFFERED 3/$63M
WELL WHO’S LAUGHING NOW?
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This baseball thing is pretty cool
i never laughed
but they haven’t offered that (at least not yet).
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I AM LAUGHING BECAUSE YOU CANT STOP YELLING.
also, Jeter will get over $20mil a year, guaranteed
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
It was more along the lines of snickering.
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by ringleader3 on Nov 19, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Would a year of Tejada be such a bad thing?
Uribe is my first choice, but Tejada seems like a decent alternative if the bidding goes sky-high on years and dollars for Uribe. Aside from the crapy 97 games with the Orioles last season, he still can hit a little.
Why is he so dismissed around here?
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After Renteria (post-season aside) and Uribe for the last two seasons
It’s not like we’ve had Ozzie Smith out there.
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
We have a bunch of strike out/fly ball pitchers
Infield defense isn’t AS important as it is for other teams. It is still important tho
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Agreed
Maybe they could sign a Brandon Crawford type to serve as the backup.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
ew
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
that said
if he comes cheap enough, can he sit around and play 3B if Sandoval doesn’t rebound?
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Probably can't handle SS and is a Type A FA
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good grief
never mind what I said above. No Type A! (another good thing about Huff and UUUUU)
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't worry about the Type A
I doubt the Padres offer arb.
Still a bad idea, but not because you’ll lose draft picks.
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I think Sabes should go after either Scutaro or JJ Hardy…I’m not sure about Bartlett.
Boston and the Minnesota Twins are two suitable trade partners for the Giants.
Jeter ain’t going nowhere…so just fuggeddaboutitt!!!!
No to Miggy but since he’s old and the downside of his career, Sabes will probably offer a low ball contract to him.
If a low contract for Miggy were to free up $ for Crawford, I'd be cool with that
Crawford + Miggy > Burrell + Uribe
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Great documentary on that joke!
I think by Penn Gillette.
by iloveddickdietz on Nov 19, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, it was awesome
That joke can really be a work of art in the right hands
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That is a great documentary, or perhaps I just have a strange sense of humor. I think the Mime is my favorite interpretation of the joke.
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My friend sent me his favorite...but I am warning you.
Grant started it!
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by iloveddickdietz on Nov 19, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I’m at work – I’ll save this for when I’m at an airport later – and oh yes, no headphones. All right, I’m kidding, head phones.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Nice, then I’m on it.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. Man. That joke always leaves me in a state of shock and awe. I love it.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
I really dont want to overpay Uribe
However I don’t want to get stuck with Orlando Cabrera or Julio Lugo
I kinda wanted for the Giants to Nishioka
I guess the price is just too high…Besides the Giants had an often injured and light hitting SS last year and they won the WS…
I like Uribe…but don’t want to overbid…I rather just get a good defensive SS and spend the money elsewhere…
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Jose Lopez
is a free agent and a shortstop.
by iloveddickdietz on Nov 19, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions
Jose Lopez
Hit .239/.270/.339 last year, and hasn’t played shortstop since 2004.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Bah!
I remember him being good a couple of years ago. Right down Sabean’s line.
by iloveddickdietz on Nov 19, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
He was ok in 2009. His biggest fault is that he doesn’t walk. Ever.
On that note, he’d probably fit in fine on this team.
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On the 2008 or 2009 version, yes.
Not on the 2010 Giants. Posey, Torres, Burrell, Huff, and Renteria are all players who draw walks.
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Him and Yuniesky Betancourt were the Mariners future DP combo
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He'd be a good bounce-back option for a team with a really RH friendly ball park
Maybe the Red Sox or Astros or the D’Backs?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If the Giants can't sign Uribe
They should sign Miguel Olivo and let Posey play short, he played there up until 4 years ago and his defense wouldn’t be any worse than Miguel Tejada’s.
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Not when you consider
Uribe’s wOBA last year .322
Olivo’s wOBA last year .327
Sure you lose out on the days when Whitey catches, but you pick up an extra 30-50 games of Posey. I’d say in the end you lose out on defense somewhat, but may make enough gains on offense to even it out.
I know it’s a ridiculous plan, but the available SS’s are even more ridiculous.
As previously stated the Giants don’t have the money for Martinez and if they do, he will want 4 years, which will not be good in years 3 and 4.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
The fun thing about Miguel Olivo is that he would allow us all to appreciate the Bondsian plate discipline of folks like Rowand and Sandoval and Schierholtz.
Olivo’s last two years of wRC+ are 102 and 96.
Uribe’s are 115 and 100.
There is no offensive gain in switching from Uribe to Olivo.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
could catch
can catch no longer
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
He could probably get into the crouch, I don’t think he’ll be able to get out of it though.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
true
he could probably catch, he just couldn’t field, throw, or move quickly in any direction
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Pablo can still catch
just not as a catcher
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You misspelled couch.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Only slightly
I think they should go ahead and overpay for Uribe before teams start bidding on him.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Not a fan of this.
Posey would be okayish at SS, but he’s exceptional as a catcher. Why screw with it?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Because
Who else are you going to get to play SS? The list is awful, plain awful.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
It’s awful, but Posey’s not a shortstop. So he’d likely be more awful.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I thought he was supposedly pretty ok at SS
…and they only reason they asked him to move to C at FSU was because they were desperate
The thong is, it happened.
I’ve heard (distantly, of course – I think it was someone here who mentioned it) that pro scouts never felt his body type would play well at short at the highest level. I’m guessing he would be solid mechanically, and we know his arm is good, but he would fall well short in range.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
He has always had a bigger lower body which I assume would not help him in the range department.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
The guy who was the SS at FSU when Posey was there
is now a catcher in the Dodgers system
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not nearly as bad as the idea of moving Posey from C
you should be tarred and feathered for even suggesting it
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
You should be tarred and feathered for not thinking about Posey’s knees!
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
You should be tarred and feathered just because!
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
You guys should all be tarred and feathered for wasting tar and feathers!
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
As I've said before
The biggest reason I’d consider moving Posey form C is not to preserve him, but rather to exploit his bat. You bascially lose about 20% of any catcher’s potential PAs because of the rest he needs
The thong is, it happened.
This is true...
But if we can’t get Uribe I’d rather just bring Crawford up.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I wouldn’t bring Crawford up I’d send him to AAA and see how he does there. If he does well make him a midseason call up. Rohlinger can play SS and I don’t think he’d be absolutely terrible with the bat.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I’m pretty sure Buster would be really bad at SS, he doesn’t have the range it would not be pretty.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I think he would be similar to Tejada
In that he would catch what he got to, and make up for his lack of speed with a very strong arm. I think he would put up a UZR of -1.0 to -5.0.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
It's not
It’s justification for overpaying for Uribe as perhaps the next best possible solution.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I think Olivo is almost done
His SLG dropped at Coors field last year, and of course Low OBP, High SLG guys age badly
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No.
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 19, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
let Posey play short
I really hope this doesn’t become a meme.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Coming to a KNBR caller near you!
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
that was a pulicity stunt right before the draft, have him play all 9 positions.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Bengie Molina played shortstop in college. That is how important that fact is to Buster’s chances of being a major league shortstop.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
HE PLAYED ALL 9 POOSITIONS IN A GAME
let’s have him toe the rubber in the city
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"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
that was a publicity stunt in his final year before the draft
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think he could hit 94...
Belt and Posey = emergency relief corp!
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
I thought there were really only one or two poositions. Anything else would probably be too messy.
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I heard that in the voice of David Flemming, who is apparently working for ESPN now. Check for him during college hoops games.
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 19, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
There is no way that Posey could play short anymore in the major leagues. Doubtful that he would have been able to at any point. He might have been a decent thirdbase for a few years before moving to first if he didn’t take the catcher route.
One thing that I’ve noticed is that the size of his legs and base are way bigger than when the Giants signed him. That is why scouts predicted a singles and doubles hitter. Now that his base is bigger, he has way more power, but much less speed. He is a catcher/first baseman for the remainder of his career now.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
Wow...Philly not high on Werth or really high on Ibanez
Amaro was, however, noticeably effusive in his praise of Raul Ibanez, going as far as comparing him to Werth.
“He was still a pretty productive player and when you look at his numbers, they’re not all that different from Jayson’s last year. What did he have, 83 RBIs? Jayson had 85. He didn’t have as many opportunities as Jayson did to drive in runs. Clearly, Jayson had more runs scored and his on-base percentage and stuff were better, but [Ibanez] had 37 doubles and five triples. The difference in their production was not all that great.’’
ive heard from a few places that philly didnt think werth is the great player the rest of us think he is
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by operation carrot on Nov 19, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been warning my Phillie fan friends about RAJ. He seems a little to Sabean-esq
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Ya know, it’s just stuff. Can’t be that important.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
What a moron.
Go ahead, just see how far you get without Werth. And with Ryan Howard on that ridiculously bad contract.
That franchise will be a shell in 2 years.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah, similar. Other than the 30 points of OBP and 90 points in SLG, Werth and Ibanez had almost identical seasons!
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t disagree with your overall point, but Ibanez isn’t as bad a defender as the GIFs would make one think.
by kingofthacove on Nov 19, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I’m supposed to judge his defense based on one game over the 10,000 innings of OF data we have on him? Plus, reading through the Phillies blog site during the playoffs, he didn’t have the reputation of being terrible.
by kingofthacove on Nov 19, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Fair enough I guess
His UZR is blow average, but his penchant for the goofy mistakes is what makes him hilarious.
One of the worst in the league was probably harsh, but he is below average, and not getting any younger/faster.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
that was freakin HILARIOUS. If he runs straight back, he makes the catch. Instead, its back, to the left, back to the right, jump off the wall and try to make a basket catch.
Easily the hardest possible way to make what should be a routine flyball rundown for a ML player
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't we just learn this with the Jeter "gold glove"
You don’t look bad in the field if you only get to about half the balls that everyone else is.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
Still
I’d trade Rowand for him.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 19, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I was just about to say this
I’d make that trade in a heartbeat.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
This would make my off-season...
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
It would be really great.
Straight up would be absolutely delicious.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I'd trade Rowand for ANYTHING
Literally anything
Herpes?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
That sounds pretty fair.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Oh, I thought Herpes was going to be our new bench coach.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
You can’t get herpes from sitting on a bench.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 20, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Rowand to Philly...
…for a cheese steak?
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
with whiz?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
You have it wrong. “Wit or wit out” refers to the onions.
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Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, well I had a cheese slice when I was there.
YOU CAUGHT THE VEGETARIAN GREEN HANDED IN A CONVERSATION HE HAD NO BUSINESS BEING IN!
;-)
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL VEGETARIANS DON’T LIKE BASEBALL!
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
You okay? That sounds nasty.
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
It’s true – I’m vegetarian, and I actually hate baseball. I’m just here because I’m a masochist.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Another kinky vegetarian!
/not surprised
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Kinky Vegetarians would be a good name for a band.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
or a porno!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
A pornographic, musical performance art group!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
putting the sketchy in sketch comedy!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 20, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Applies to carnivores here as well.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Nov 19, 2010 12:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Vernon Wells
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I would too
but if you’re bored, go to lookout landing and click the links under “Raul Ibanez takes pride in his defense”. Good times.
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LOL
He’ll be like Sabean in a few years. Also LOL at Howard’s contract have fun with that for the next 5 years, or is it 6?
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Well both are right. “The Contract” itself is 5 Years long at 25 mil/year but The Contract doesn’t start until after next season!
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Oh that’s awesome
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
He’s already worse then Sabean. All he has done since taking over for Gillick is trade away their farm system and sign guys to awful contracts. He traded Lee to Seattle and got nothing in return and then traded some good prospects to replace Lee with Halladay. The Howard and Ibanez deals were awful. I can’t wait to see how much they overpay Victorino when it comes time to extend him.
STRAWHATS!
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He wants to trade Ibanez and is talking him up accordingly.
Calm down, nerdlings.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
Unbelievably OT
This needs to be seen by everyone ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyWKlxNAh30&feature=player_embedded
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 19, 2010 11:55 AM PST reply actions
I am now stupider than I was before I clicked on that. But I just put on a condom so...
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
Why the fuck would anyone want to watch that?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
A friend sent that to me a few days ago.
I think it’s possibly the worst thing ever produced by Western culture. The Edward Gibbon of the future will become aroused when he first sees it.
It’s truly awful. It is nice to see The Situation put his abs to good use though. You know, safe sex and all that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT IS THE SITUATION OF WHICH THEY SPEAK
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 19, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Uribe or bust?
I humbly suggest that what this town needs is an URIBE BUST.
A damn big bronze one right out front of Mays Field.
One that we could walk up to and rub with our thankful jazz hands.
With a plaque describing his game-winning sac fly in game 4 of the NLCS, his game winning HR in the clinching game of the NLCS, the 3run bomb that locked up game 1 of the World Series, his gold glove caliber defense throughout the 2010 World Championship Post Season…..ahem.
Sign Juan. Pay Juan.
I’m just too damn happy to rosterbate.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions
Well said!
I suggest that one cannot do jazz hands and type “and” and the same time either!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
if uribe is too expensive
just go with crawford. why not?
unless hardy gets non tendered. then sign him
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by operation carrot on Nov 19, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions
At least he’s cheap…
The options all suck if we can’t re-sign Uribe. Might as well go for cheap and crappy. And at least his D is good.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Crawford could end up a decent player, but taking a guy who can’t hit well in the minors and starting him with the big club is just a recipe for derailing his entire career.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 19, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We all know how this story ends
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I’ve grown so attached to Uribe. Everything about him has been, I realize, a large part of what I’ve enjoyed about the last two years of the Giants team and what has been so fun about them. His exuberance, the jazz hands, the Uribe chant, the lol fat aspect, just, everything.
I’ll understand if he wants too much money in the end, but I’ll still be sad to see him go.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yes
I will miss him when he leaves. He was amazing the last two years and is already a legend to me.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
by sanfrankid on Nov 19, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If he leaves I'd really prefer he go to the AL
by DFARowand on Nov 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
wrecked
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
I like his face muscles.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
LOL D-Backs?
@BrianCostaWSJ
Former Mets GM Omar Minaya has been offered job as special asst to D-Backs, similar to job Towers had with Yanks. In no rush to decide, tho.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
This sounds like a great move!
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by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Definitely LOL D-Backs
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by can of corn on Nov 19, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
/Minaya trades Justin Upton to Giants for Bengie Molina.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
lulz
“in no rush to decide”. Maybe he wants to be GM in the Golden League or something.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Let's just get a crappy AL shortstop
and watch him turn into a superstar/MVP candidate playing over here in the NL. Last I heard, NL hitters get huge bonuses to their stats because they get to bat against an opposing team’s outfielder once every 3 innings, and until the NL adopts the designated pitcher they will remain a totally inferior league.
Offer Uribe 2/12. If he bites, great. If he doesn’t, I’d rather have Rohlinger given a shot at regular playing time than risk getting into a bidding war and overpaying for Uribe.
Cody Ross - He's not Jose Guillen!
Agree with the first part, not with the 2nd. Rohlinger would be a disaster long-term at SS – he can’t hang there defensively and his bat won’t make up for it.
If Uribe walks and we can’t swing a trade for Hardy or Scutaro, then Orlando Cabrera would be the next best choice. He’s not a good hitter, but he’ll be very cheap ($2-$4M) and he can still play above-average D at SS.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I just noticed that Burriss hasn’t been mentioned as an option at all. I’m not advocating that he be part of the solution but I think that him being a part of a platoon (maybe Fonenot/Burriss) has about as much merit as some of the others.
48 years after his heart was broken by a Willie McCovey line out to Bobby Richardson, Charlie Brown finally has his championship.
Fontenot/Rohlinger is the solution you're looking for
Burriss can’t hit. End of story. Never has hit, at any level.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I dunno. Burriss doesn’t seem to be a major league player.
And also, the team may as well get a real SS, not a stop gap player (i.e., Fontenot).
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by can of corn on Nov 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I dunno. Burriss doesn’t seem to be a major league player.
This is my favorite line in this entire post. Please e-mail this to Brian Sabean immediately.
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I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for !Matt Downs .
I don't think Burriss can play shortstop
And he definitely can’t hit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Seeing Burriss in Sac in August, during BP his bat had the softest pop of anybody out there. He will never be a Major League hitter.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
dude has gap power
he can hit it to the gap between short and third
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by delorean on Nov 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I watched him at BP from the field at AT&T
…and completely agree.
I honeslty thought I could have stepped in the cage right there and hit the ball harder than he was
The thong is, it happened.
BURRISS GOTTA GO
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
But but he’s the life of the party at clinching celebrations! Who’ll take over his beer and champagne dousing duties with a modicum of the same panache?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Nov 19, 2010 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Fanshot it?
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
I say begin with RyRohl and see what happens.
I would also love to sign Jeter at whatever cost, and convert him to LF just to A. take the Cap’n away from the Yankees douchebag fans, and B. the voters can quit giving him GG’s at short so I don’t have to hear the overrated/HOFer arguments anymore. Also: he would be the perfect interleague DH.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
Huff for DH
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
Would you guys fill SS internally
If it meant that the Giants could sign Crawford?
Or even further, would you put Belt at 1B and plug someone in on the 40 man roster (or deeper in the minors) at SS, if that meant signing Crawford? [Note: this scenario means Aubrey Huff DOES NOT return]
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Nov 19, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions
I would let Huff, Uribe, and Burrell go if it meant signing Crawford
Belt and a warm body at SS would be just fine
Personally I'd rather have Werth
But it’s an interesting question.
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I don’t want Belt up until he has either 1) played through his first real slump or 2) shown he can reproduce his minor league numbers.
Confidence is a powerful thing!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
It would be a bold move though.
Torres CF
Crawford LF
Posey C
Belt 1B
Ross RF
Sanchez 2B
Sandoval 3B
Rohlinger SS
I dunno, it just seems too weak for me.
Werth might be able to compensate for the offensive loss of not bringing back uribe/huff, but I don’t think Crawford could.
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You bat crawford 3rd
Put Sanchez in the two hole. Lineup looks much better that way assumine a decent rebound for Pablo.
I think that could work
Although I’d tweak the order:
LF – Crawford
2B – Sanchez
CF – Torres
C – Posey
1B – Belt
RF – Ross
3B – DeRosa/Sandoval
SS – Rohlinger
"(Christy) Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball. The first statement means the same as the second." - Damon Runyon
I think its an interesting question because you could strive for replacement level (or slightly less) at SS and have a phenomenal player in LF, and a high potential rookie at 1B.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Nov 19, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
personally I'd prefer
LF- Crawford
CF- Torres
C- Posey
1B- Belt
RF- Ross
3B- Sandoval
2B- Sanchez
SS- ??? (honestly, I don’t think our org. has a “fill in” option at short, which means the closest thing would be a Renteria or Cabrera type on the cheap… or a trade for Scutaro or Hardy)
I like the idea of just stacking speed at the start of the lineup— If we got Crawford, I think it would be silly to have him do anything else other than lead off. That’s where he’s comfortable, that’s where his speed has the chance to shine the most, and that way he doesn’t try and reinvent himself into some sort of heart of the order slugger, which would be a bad decision for him, especially at AT&T. Torres has some good thump in his bat and could easily handle hitting second.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
kind of
but if you’re consistently batting Sanchez 2nd the entire season you’re giving him proportionally more PAs than his bat really deserves in that lineup. So I like the idea of moving him down the order.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
Weak? Really?
If Pablo comes close to 2009 that lineup is solid.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Nov 19, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's a big if
And Crawford’s a pretty good hitter, don’t get me wrong. But over the past 3 season he’s hit .297/.349/.454, good for an .803 OPS.
That’s fine production, but it isn’t going to compensate for the loss of Uribe and Huff and Burrell.
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Sure
Crawford is good all-around, but I’m just saying that if we gave up on Huff/Uribe in order to sign Crawford, our offense would suffer.
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but
Crawford is probably a better bet to sustain his production given his age than Huff or Uribe, who both had years that in retrospect we might call “outliers.”
Don’t get me wrong— I love those guys and I’d definitely want them back. But if it’s an either/or where we can choose to sign Crawford for 6-ish years or bring back Huff and Uribe for 3 each? That’s an easy decision, IMO.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I think if you sign Crawford, you still need to bring back Uribe or Huff
The thong is, it happened.
yeah totally. Drop Huff, Uribe AND Burrell, all for one guy? What if Crawford doesn’t live up to the hype for whatever reason? Or he goes on the DL? Then we’re screwed.
I have no idea how people are getting THIS jazzed up, to the point where they would say “let everyone walk and sign Crawford”. Not to mention, Crawford will command 4-5 years, and we will still be paying him $15-20 mil a year when he wont be producing like he is now, while our pitchers will need contracts.
Letting everyone walk for Crawford sounds like a recipe for disaster.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Is this disaster breaded and fried? If so I may eat it anyway.
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Mmmmm…put it on a pile of noodles and I’m in.
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by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Eh good enough.
/NomNomNom
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At least the Yankees have established
how they value Jeter. Uribe’s people said they would wait to see what happened with Jeter before moving ahead themselves. Unless the Yankees get sucked into going significantly upward from 3/$45M to something really stupid like 3/$63m, Uribe now knows what his ceiling is, at least in his own mind.
The problem for the Giants is that Uribe may really feel he’s entitled to a 3/$30m or 3/$33m after seeing what happens with Jeter. And the Cards are likely to offer him 3/$24m or 3/$27m, so that ’s that.
Sabean needs to be looking for a Plan B now, and if he is losing Uribe’s power, he’s likely to go in an internal, defensive-minded direction at SS and then focus on offense at 3B and perhaps in LF.
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
Apropos of nothing in this discussion
Still kinda blows my mind how Jeremy Affeldt was so good in 2009, then was kinda mediocre in 2010, and then he kinda disappeared for a couple months, and then all of a sudden this happened, and I was like, wow, that was awesome.
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i didnt click the link, but its probably when the saved the season in Game 6, NLCS
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
It is. Talk about heroic moment…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
i thought Bork was throwing up the white flag and preparing for a Game 7
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
And then 2009 Affeldt came out of a time machine and saved us all…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Seriously
No one out, runners on first and second, Ryan Howard, Jayson Werth, Shane Victorino coming up.
And no runner moved.
Jeremy. Affeldt.
My Son
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the strike out was huge, because had they had a productive out and moved the runners – the 2nd out (fly ball to RF) would’ve scored a run.
Amazing.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 20, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Affeldt was unlucky this year.
I guess this is what happens when you post a .244 BABIP one year and a .349 the next.
His lucky strand rate was also a huge factor at 86.4% in 2009 and 74.9% the following year.
His K/9 was almost identical and his BB/9 and K/BB ratios were actually better this year.
Affledt went from incredibly lucky in 2009 to unlucky in 2010.
His velocity, K/9, and BB/9 were pretty much identical.
His GB% dropped from 65% to 55% which was pretty much in line with his career numbers.
I’m fairly confident that we will have an Affeldt with a 3.00 ERA and about 60 innings next year unless he is dealt.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
The good thing about Uribe...
Is that he can move to 2nd base following the 2011 season.
Uribe is a better fielder over there anyways.
So ultimately… I’m not incredibly opposed to a 3 year deal for the guy.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 19, 2010 12:47 PM PST reply actions
You're forgetting about the next Jeff Kent in the minors Charlie Culberson
/Arizona Fall Leagued
So...
I was watching this again, and my god those sliders are filthy. The look on his face after he struck out Molina in the 7th was was one of supreme focus!
Unrelated to the SS discussion, Shin-Soo Choo has won his freedom
THE THING IS, IT HAPPENED - 11/1/10
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Nov 19, 2010 1:06 PM PST reply actions
Oh man, talk about some rosterbation fodder
The Choo train is back on board people
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
I was going to make a Poo-Choo train joke, but then I looked at his stats… that guy can hit a little bit.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Uribe and Tsuyoshi Nishioka
One of Uribe’s strengths is his versatility. He can play all infield positions well. But it is doubtful he can play everyday SS for an entire season without injury. Another Uribe strength is his penchant for winning. Resign him for 2 years if possible and 3 if necessary. He’s a good guy to mix and match with and that is Bochie’s strength. He will not be Renteria expensive anyway.
Tsuyoshi Nishioka: Not sure why you are so arrogant about your opinions re: this guy. Yes, there have been some Japanese busts, just like any other country. But then there is Ichiro, to whom many knowledgeable Japanese baseball compare this guy. Nish may end up being a bust, but you do not know this. He still looks like one of the best alternatives in a very scarce SS market. When I lived in Japan, I watched quite a bit of Japanese baseball. Very good overall defensively, fundamentally sound. I would have to see a lot of tape on this guy to prove to me your dissing his defense has any merit.
sorry
you lost all credibility as soon as you mentioned Uribe’s “penchant for winning.”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Nish may end up being a bust, but you do not know this.
Got it. I’ll stop with the opinions. So rude.
Also, it’s pretty safe to say that even though he had one really good season in Japan, he’s probably going to be as good as Ichiro. That goes without saying.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
but you just said it
so it isn’t going without saying. I’m just sayin’.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Does that cancel it out though? So Nishioka ceases to exist now, right?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
pfft…not as disappointed as me: I came her for nudes.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
here
ugh.
//shows self the door
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Clutch
Even if I believed in Nishioka (which I don’t really think he’ll be the next Ichiro) the amount of money it would take to get both of them would be ridiculous. Uribe wants a 3 year deal so saying we get him at 8m a year (which he’ll probably make more) and then have to pay to bid on Nishioka’s negotiation rights, no thank you.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
When I'm not sure
I check the registration date. Nov 1 2010 = not joking.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
that’s funny. when I’m not sure, i check the EXPIRATION date.
What?!? These people don’t have expiration dates??!?!
/RUNS OFF SCREAMING
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Semi OT: Does anyone have any links to good Buster Posey T shirts
I feel like I need that to complete my collection
Saw that one
I think it’s OK.
I kinda like this one.
http://mayberryworkshop.bigcartel.com/product/buster-roy-shirt
I'm with Grant on this.
With Uribe we know what we’re getting, and I don’t think the bidding war for him will raise his price well above his value. I don’t think anyone in the system is ready (or capable), and I’d take Uribe over anyone else on the FA market.
Sabes needs to lock up Uribe and focus on getting Huff, Burrell and, umm…that one guy, Carl Crawford.
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Simple!
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Yes, he is
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c'mon
he has 37 pieces of flair, and a terrific smile.
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Dreamy eyes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ideally you want to resign Uribe but I don’t think I’d want to give him more then 2 years and probably not anymore then 12 mill.
I wonder if Billy Beane would be open to trading Cliff Pennington, he has a bunch of middle infielders in the upper minors of similar quality.
yikes
the idea of Sabean negotiating with Beane is terrifying to me.
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"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Because Beane has such a great record in trades in recent years? C’mon, I’m not a BS fan at all, but Beane hasn’t had a good year as a GM in quite a few years.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
not to mention Huston Street
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Carlos Gonzalez and Huston Street for Holliday?! I need to look that trade up.
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Flipped to Stl for Wallace...
Who was then traded to Tor for Michael Taylor. Essentially the A’s traded CarGo for a AAA OF, who’s about 6’6" and 250 lbs, and consistantly hits the ball on the ground. way to go Billy….
not saying Beane is a great or even good GM
It just spooks me. I feel like BS would be guaranteed to get hoodwinked.
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I don't think Cliff Pennington is going anywhere.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I would upgrade Renteria to “maybe”
I don’t hold truck with all this Crawford/Fontenot/Burriss at SS talk. If you go into a season with a Plan B as Plan A, you might end up with Plan D by the end of the year.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Pretty much this. Get a real goddamn player for the position.
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that’s a good summary of my feelings for this. We’re world series champs, baby. No more shopping at Ross for us.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
We can shop at Macy’s Outlet now!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
The current 40-man roster has Brandon Crawford as the top shortstop, and while he might be a tick above Bocock offensively, the difference is negligible
I don’t want Brandon Crawford to be in SF to start the season either, but I totally disagree with this comment. Crawford already is a much better hitter than Bocock ever was, and he’s got much better in 2010.
Bocock @ age 24 in SJ in 2009: .241/.303/.339/.642 in 386 AB -- never had OBP > .318 or SLG > .344 in career
Crawford @ age 23 in Richmond in 2010: .241/.337/.375/.712 in 291 AB -- BB-rate=11.6%
Crawford slugged at a .414 rate in 2009 while splitting the season between SJ and Conn., and he had very good stats in 77 AB’s in the AZ Fall League last year:
.312/.396/.455/.850 -- BB-rate=13%
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I should have elaborated — I don’t think the difference between Crawford in the majors next year would be a huge offensive improvement on Bocock in ‘07. Long-term, I’m not counting Crawford out at all.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Bocock in ’08.
/opens the floor to political jokes
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Bocock hit .143/.258/.156, which is actually far worse than I remembered. But I’d expect Crawford to hit something like .200/.240/.310 over 2011 if he were in the majors. All stats pulled from jcb9’s ass.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
BOCOCK LINKED TO jcb9’s ASS!
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Is this a Human Centipede reference?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know if rushing Bocock/Burriss to the majors hurt them
but it sure didn’t help. Let’s not.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Who was the one talking about Bocock getting coverted to a pitcher?
A la Joe Nathan?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Bocock / Dole ’08
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Remember the last inning of the championship game in Bad News Bears when Jose goes up the plate and crouches way down and the pitcher is unable to throw a strike and so Jose draws a walk? That was basically Brian Bocock at the beginning of 08. He managed to get 6 walks in his first 5 games and had an OBP over .500 before guys realized they could just throw the ball right down the middle and he wouldn’t hit it.
WWRWD?
Shift A
Yeah, Uribe and no one else thanks.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
LOL Bengie
Heyman reports that Bengie Molina wants to play another year (Twitter link).
I wouldn't mind
a 1 year/$1 million contract to back up Posey. Of course, Bochy would start Benige 5 days a week.
/Posey starts year in AAA.
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I would not want Molina on the team even for the league minimum. Never. Ever.
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by can of corn on Nov 19, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
This
this for ever and ever and ever.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
That ship has sailed
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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ISWYDT
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
The Molinian Falcon.
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by jhiat00 on Nov 19, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
More like the Molinian Slug
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 19, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be opposed to signing him with the intent of trading him halfway through the season.
/crawls away from Bengie running after me with a pitchfork
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Even if he was specifically signed to play only a maximum of 30 games?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
i never want Bengie on this team ever again. EVER
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
remember that one time
the giants won the world series. i do. it was nice.
by drew12 on Nov 19, 2010 1:59 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Outside the box
This was someone else’s idea, but I don’t remember from where. Move Sanchez to short. He was a shortstop coming up and I think he could still be quite effective. Then sign Hudson for 2B, and keep Fontenot to back them both up. Or maybe Renteria as a safeguard.
Then instead of a 2y/18M deal to Huff you sign one of the cheap 1B: Pena, Berkman etc…with an eye on bringing Belt up if they falter.
Then you sign Crawford?
This is an article that makes me think Sanchez would welcome the move back to SS.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_4_66/ai_n27252945/
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 2:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Not sure of the defensive liability of moving Freddy to SS but I do like me some ODog.
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If I knew that Sanchez wasn’t going to have arm strength issues, I’d move him to short yesterday. As is, there’s no way to feel comfortable banking on him.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Add a perennial disabled-lister Hudson and you have potential for disaster. BUT WHAT IF THEY BOTH STAYED HEALTHY??!!
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Let’s call Jose Guillen’s wife!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
who knows, maybe his shoulder has recovered. he did push it going into spring last year, and came back as fast as possible, but yeah, i wouldnt bank on it either.
what i will bank on, is him having a BIG year next year. I’m talking 13-15 HRs, .315 AVG.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
So
you want to move a guy who already has a history of shoulder problems to a place that will stress his already weak arm, then let Huff walk for one of two guys who hit worse than he did last year? One of which is older than him and already has been vocal about not wanting to play here?
The 9 million a year you would save on Huff would go to the combo of signing Hudson and your 1B and then you have two more roster spots filled, making and extra roster decision when Belt is brought up.
This just does not make a lot of sense to me.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
you must admit
it’s much, much easier than just signing a SS.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 19, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Oops a typo
This just does not make a lot of ANY sense to me.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
They are just ideas stemming from the fact I think a 3y/24m contract for Uribe and a 2/16m deal for Huff will both be mistakes. This is a team built for long term contention and I don’t want to screw up 2012 and 2013 just to bring the ol gang back together.
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am not sure those contracts would be so bad.
And the other options just are not as good.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
2/16 for Huff would be a mistake?
I’d be extremely happy with that.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
Im not sure how likely it is that he outhits Berkman or Pena next year. Who are likely 1 year 6m type guys. So then you’re just paying for championship glow and the ability to switch to LF when Belt comes up. In November of 2009 you had said Huff is worth more money and more years then Carlos Pena because he’s a better hitter and can play a mean left field they’d have had you committed.
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 4:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Huff outhit both this year
And both played in more hitter friendly parks. Two in Berkman’s case.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Both outhit him the year before
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Huff can move to LF when Belt comes up.
The other two can’t.
Your evidence that Freddy Sanchez, he of the gimpy shoulder, could play SS is an article from three years ago (and, as of next season, four years ago).
Let’s go ahead and disregard that.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
re. thinking outside the box:
There’s a reason that there’s a box
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I’m tellin ya guys, Freddy is gonna have a big year next year. Count on it
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not ready to push the button
But paying Uribe 3/25m because we can’t think of anything else doesn’t work for me either.
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I realize that Uribe is by far the best option
but, Uribe making anything close to 10 million for multiple years scares the shit out of me. He seems like a huge candidate to fall off, and his numbers don’t exactly leave a lot of room for falling off.
Granted, even a struggling Uribe at short is better then anybody else thats a free agent.
Basically, I’m just disappointed that the Uribe is the class of the ss free agents. If there was some other better options then the Giants could resign him 2yr/10mil and call it good.
Also I wonder if the Indians would listen to offers for Asdrubal Cabrera. He’s nothing special but he’s definitely got more upside then any other names out there.
Why is he a huge candidate to fall off?
Everyone is saying this,
He is only 30 years old. I think he can produce another 2-3 good years. I think a fourth year would be a bad idea, but 2-3 is not the nightmare scenario some people think it is.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
he fits the profile of low OBP, high SLG guys that are usually the types to fall off.
Me, I think he has another 3 solid years in him, then we need to be moved to 3B and his hitting will fall off.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, usually the types to fall off quicker than high OBP, low power guys.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
he’s playing way above his career average and his OPS drop 80 points from the year before…
He also does not appear to me as a guy who keeps himself in great shape…
Actually
he is playing right at his career averages
Uribe 2010: .248/.310/.440/.749
Uribe Career: .256/.300/.431/.731
You could easily say that 2008 was just a career year for him where he over performed. 2010 could be who he is. And I would take that production from our SS for the next 2 years.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
err 2009 was a career year.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
I’m not say I don’t want him (especially considering the options) but Uribe did have a quite a few seasons where he’s OPS was below .700…I just don’t want the Giants to overpay…
If he doesn’t take 2 year 10-12 million…I would let him walk…pick up a good defensive SS and use the money elsewhere…
4 of his 9 seasons
and one of those he OPS .698, another where he was only 22.
I just do not see the mess of a player some people are saying he could become. He has been pretty much as advertised for us every year, and his history shows that could continue.
This is all not so much directed as you, as the sentiment that he could be a crash and burn candidate at only his age 31 season.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Also…just noticed Uribe grounded in 20 DP this year…maybe just SSS but it makes me think his swing is starting to get too uppercut-ish
starting to??
dude swings for the bleachers every time out
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his DP number the 2007, 2008, and 2009 were in the single digits…20 is a big jump…
His line drive percentage have gone down while his groundball percentage have gone up…
oh man, i hate hearing that about a player we may be about to spend $7 mil a year on. GB% up, LD% down.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
DP is not something to get really hung up on… unless you’re a porn producer.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless of the situation or the count.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
...
This is totally not new. Every swing is an attempt to clobber the ball over the fence.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Exactly
I keep seeing guys post that Huff and Uribe had “outlier” seasons, but both have established this level before when healthy.
Uribe did exactly what he has always done, but played a full season and wasn’t shifted around the infield a great deal.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
You may be right
I’m not saying he’s guarented to fall off, just that I would rather be paying him close to 5 mil a year rather then anything close to 10.
But I think it’s worth mentioning that he hadn’t played as many games in a season since 2002, doubtful he’d make it through another couple years without missing substantial time.
Had a career high in homeruns, shouldn’t expect him to repeat that
His last few years in Chicago were pretty lousy. There is a reason he signed a minor league deal 2 years ago
Plus it’s not like he keeps himself is the greatest of shape.
by NateEveryday on Nov 19, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he had was bad in Chicago
but then he came here and had the best year of his career and one year almost directly in line with his career norms. Why are those years being ignored?
Every player is an injury risk, and he has the history so it makes it worse with him, but I would still rather have him in there for 110 games and use Rohlinger/Fontenot/flavor of month to fill in for him, than any of the other options out there.
He could still hit 20 HRs, which is what he was advertised as.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
so would we all, for 2011..
It’s the 2 years after that we’re all concerned about.
when he is 32 and 33?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Why?
What evidence is there to think that those would be horrible years. Those are still very productive years in the life of a major league baseball player.
I guess that is what I do not get.
Dude is having the best years of his career playing here.and if you look as his career numbers he is getting better the older he gets (which is strange and totally against nature, I know)
OPS with Colorado .706
OPS with Chicago: .724
OPS with the Giants: .781
So why at only age 32 and 33 would he start to be a player not worth having around. Even if he was to go back down to a .725 he would still be a useful player who would be hitting 6th or (most likely) 7th in the lineup.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
I did not say he wouldn't be useful
I’m not a believer in Uribe as a shortstop for the next 3 seasons, at what we’d have to pay to retain him. I’m just not… It’s the Giantdonkey eyeball test of flail and fat.
Evidence
He had a .278 ops from 2006-2008. If he’s on a three year deal that will be his age 31-33 seasons,
Renteria 29-30 .825 ops. 31-33 .676 ops
Rollins 28-29 .836 ops 30-31 .710
Gonzalez 29-30 .745 31-33 .699 + missed season
That is cherrypicking a bit. Cabrera faired well. Tejada and Jetwr did too but aren’t great comps.
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 4:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not trying to be the terd in the punchbowl
I’d love to have Juan back. But I think it’s 3/25m or something like that and we have got to really vett out other options.
by hammystyle on Nov 19, 2010 4:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Uribe was 31 this year
His birthday is 3/22/79. He’ll be 32, 33, and 34 on a three year deal.
I think Uribe was pissed in Chicago over being moved off of SS. That led to the terrible 2008 as he was shifted to multiple positions and wasn’t happy about it.
Also, he played 150 games in 2007. Not sure why he would miss substantial time. He hasn’t been a terribly injury prone player. He has sat a lot in the past as they looked at other options. I think he would be good for 145 for the next two years.
I wonder if he is a guy that needs some motivatation. Two consecutive 1-year deals worked very well for the Giants. I wonder if he gets complacent on a fat 3-year deal. I doubt it, but as others have alluded to, it doesn’t seem like he is a fitness junkie.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
Belt and Culbie both make top 20 AFL prospects
5. Brandon Belt, 1B, San Francisco Giants: Perhaps no hitting prospect raised his profile more during the 2010 season than Belt, and he kept it going during the Fall League, with many observers convinced he has the chance to soon be a very good everyday first baseman in the big leagues.
12. Charlie Culberson, 2B, San Francisco Giants: Some scouts are still dubious, wanting to see him perform again in 2011 after two so-so years in the South Atlantic League and one good season in the California League. Still, Culberson more than held his own against advanced competition in AFL play, and some scouts really believe in his bat.
Culberson turning into a major league starter would surprise me more than when Torres turned into Carlos Beltran. Not that I’m super dubious of him now, but I wouldn’t have flinched if the Giants cut him from the system last year at this time.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
No, no, I have hope now. But last September, I wouldn’t have put Culberson on a top-100 list of Giants prospects.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 19, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
its all startingto look very good for the next few years, isn’t it?
Prime time to be a Giants fan.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Let’s not get carried away. Pitching can be a fickle thing. Just cross your fingers for no major injuries and let’s enjoy the ride.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
there are meetings for what you have, Grant.
it’s called Giants heartbreak. wait, what? WE WON A WORLD SERIES??!?!?!?
meetings cancelled. proceed
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that your Torres turning into Beltran analogy isn’t that far off from what happened convinces me yet again that I dreamed 2010. I’m about to wake up, in a 2009 classroom, taking an exam I didn’t study for, wearing nothing but my underwear.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
You can count me as one that wants to see him perform in AA before getting excited
by NateEveryday on Nov 19, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
I see. You're one of those that need to be warmed up a bit.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
a hotpocket?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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The best part of the poptart is the edge. The middle is too sweet. Maybe if it didn’t have any frosting…
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
I agree. I usually leave off the frosting though. You want me to toast the damn thing AND put the frosting on? FUCK THAT!
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
that’s asking for waaaay too much of your precious time.
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
I’ve got LOLCats to look at and interweb nerbz to talk to.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
im glad you picked up on that lowercase sarcasm, lol
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve got LOLCats to look at and interweb nerbz to talk to.
LOL i would make this my sig if i knew how
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
You should be able to edit your sig from your profile page.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
No Gillaspie love?
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Hmm
GiantPain and I are on a very similar wavelength.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Also
Are the Giants really not considering adding Edlefsen and Paterson to the 40-man roster, even after releasing Joaquin? I’d also DFA Hinshaw and maybe add Sisco.
Man we should have drafted Grant Green
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We can always enjoy his recorded works
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 19, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted him over any of the HS pitchers
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Maybe we can not have a SS and just play two second basemen instead.
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Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 19, 2010 2:36 PM PST reply actions
This conversation is boring. Let’s talk about something else.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
The derby last week sure wasn’t boring, huh?
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
boooooring as hell. Terrible game.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 19, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Not terrible. Awesome.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Nov 19, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
The 0 minutes of it I watched were scintillating.
FU Chemistry.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
ok. how do you make yourself useful if you’re an idiot?
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
YOU’RE A COMMIE HIDING AMONGST US?
SHOW YOURSELF!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
the term useful idiot was used to describe Soviet sympathizers in Western countries.
COMMIE!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
That’s the joke. He likes soccer.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I do too.
I must be a Euro socialist as well…
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
/shouting, pointing in different directions
COMMIE!! COMMIE!! COMMIE!! ALL I SEE IS RED!!
/runs off down street firing weapon
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'd be stiff in my resolve.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Maybe you should start warning people with vic emails.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
This made me lol.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I never did ask how that meet up went….
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
GIANT BURGER
and awkwardness.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
someone just wanna tell me the story of victor f, emails and all?
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
just noticed your sig change
nice =P
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
That’s a brilliant idea actually.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 19, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
To be fair, he saw you typing and just assumed that the latest comment was yours. So really it’s your fault for not closing the blinds.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
vic frankenstein?
he acts like some kind of martyr of MCC
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Do you hang out?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
i used to see him on other teams pages, whoever we’d be playing at the time.
especially PR
by giant4life83 on Nov 19, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
What even happened to him? He was banned from here, right?
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 19, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
He left a couple of really dumb posts on the Phillies’ board during the NLCS.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 19, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Wtf? Crawford? Uribe? Scutaro?
I was opposed to Uribe the first time and I’m entitled to be wrong twice.
As Groucho said:
I don’t know what they have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
No matter what it is or who commenced it,
I’m against it.
Your proposition may be good,
But let’s have one thing understood,
Whatever it is, I’m against it.
And even when you’ve changed it or condensed it,
I’m against it.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Nov 19, 2010 3:01 PM PST reply actions
Oh yeah!
Scutaro! How did he do last year?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Well enough that the Red Sox are offering to trade him.
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Nov 19, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Does everyone hate John McDonald?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Wow, older than I thought.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And more fragile. Yeah, I hate him.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Because he replaced me as the lead singer for the Vanilla Whores.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Hampered by injury.
Good buy-low pickup opportunity.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I’d be concerned about picking up an oft-injured defensive specialist. Might as well throw Crawford into the fire at that point.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Or the deep end.
Whatever.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He’s not really a defensive specialist anymore.
He’s more valuable with the bat. I really like his skill set.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Really?
He hasn’t had an OBP over .300 since 2005.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
McDonald. I misread the thread.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I'm confused
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So is Alex.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 19, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
He had a 2.1 WAR last year
I think he’d be a great pick up.
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I’m really getting aboard the Scutaro train now. Yeah, he’s older (35) but getting useful defense and a .330 OBP from our shortstop is awesome. He’s affordable over the next two years: $5M next year, $6M club option/$3M player option in 2012. And he won’t require a ton of prospects in trade. I’ll find a way to talk myself out of this by tomorrow morning, I’m sure.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Would 3/14 in late 30s Scutaro seasons + prospect(s) be > than, say, 3/20ish early 30s Uribe seasons?
Proud father of Barry Bonds.
I’d rather have Jazz. He has more power and is known entity. However, I really don’t think he’s going to sign anywhere for less than 3/24 and it’ll probably be more like 3/30. Scutaro is under contract for only 1/6.5 ($1.5M buyout) but it’s more likely 2/11. That’s a pretty sizable difference in money. Unfortunately, I really don’t have any read on what it would take to acquire him. Would it be Neal + [random arm] or would it be Wheeler + [random bat]? If it’s the latter I don’t make the trade. The former is palatable to me. I’m unfortunately starting to feel like Uribe is gone, that he will cash in and we’ll be left in the lurch trying to trade for a SS. I think Scutaro is among the most reasonable, affordable trade targets.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I feel like it could just be armz, without major prospects involved.
Eating Affeldt’s contract to make him the centerpiece with a couple of low-level prospects going either way.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
What impact, if any, do you think the Uggla trade has on Jose Reyes’ trade value? Because if I’m looking to trade for a SS, that’’s one direction I’d give a long look.
I keep feeling about this 2010 Giants like I did about the 1981/82 49ers: A superior core (Montana, Lott) + a patchwork of vets (Freddie Solomon, Fred Dean) that caught lightning early in what turned out to be a decade and a half of dominance. One of the things that Bill Walsh did was aggressively rebuild on the run, acquiring players for the long term without getting too sentimental about the patchwork of vets. To me, the analogous patchwork players are Huff, Burrell, Uribe, and Renteria. The only ones who might possibly come back cheaply without blocking anyone are Burrell and Renteria. If Uribe and Huff want to give a big sentimental discount, then fine, but otherwise I want to see moves that strengthen our long term core of players on the right side of 30, like Reyes or C. Crawford. There are always patches laying around.
Proud father of Barry Bonds.
re. the Upton conversation
I thought this piece was pretty interesting. You might too.
Making Sense of the Upton Situation
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Frankly
I’m a lot more intruiged at the idea of trading for BJ Upton than Justin.
/awaits BJ jokes.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I've always been down on them.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
My order of preference
1. Uribe
3 trade candidates (ordered by likelihood of trade and lowest “price”)
2. Bartlett
3. Scutaro
4. Hardy
Other options:
5. Renteria
6. Fontenot/Rohlinger combo
DNW:
7. Tejada
8. Jerry Hairston, Jr.
9. Cabrera
10. Izturis
11. Guzman
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
In fairness
I never considered my son for the SS position.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
Cristian Guzman
Though if we could give your son’s bat to CG, that might be a nice player.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Your son is now a Padre!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/minor-deals-jesus-guzman-enrique-gonzalez-lahair.html
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 20, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
More money, NOT more years for Uribe.
I don’t care if he gets $12mil+ per, just don’t go over 2 years. 3rd year AT MOST.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 19, 2010 4:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes, but...
3 years at 12mil per is 3/36, not 3/24.
My point is, I don’t want to see Sabean fall back into giving out contracts that extend far beyond the player’s usefulness.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 19, 2010 8:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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SFGiants San Francisco Giants
Giants add RHP Jose Casilla (younger brother to Santiago), RHP Steve Edlefsen and LHP Clayton Tanner to 40-man roster. #SFGiants
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He had an.... OK? year in AA.
Hopefully they’re looking to trade him.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Not really
he had a good ERA but his peripherals were pretty bad
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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My son! He is getting recognition from the higher-ups!
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
Brett Pill has been outrighted to triple-A and Waldis Joaquin has been placed on release waivers. SF now has 37 players on 40-man. #SFGiants
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Really
we gave up on Joaquin? I would’ve thought at the very least he might be an intriguing live arm as a throw in in potential trades.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 19, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, a lot of pieces of this puzzle
will fall in place if we sign Huff and play him at SS. He is the best athlete on the team.
URIBE IS THE BEST SHORTSTOP ON THE MARKET
AND HES NOT THAT GOOD OF A SHORTSTOP, NOT GOOD
WE NEED OOOOREEEEBA, BUT TEAMS ARE GONNA WANT HIM
Trade Sabean...
Your starting SS for the 2011 Giants...
Didn’t Mark DeRosa come up as a shortstop?
by Frank Williams Forever on Nov 19, 2010 10:03 PM PST reply actions
Giants Shortstop
The Giants will get a top-notch shortstop, but it will not be via free agency. With the abundance of their pitching, it will be via a trade. Now, let’s speculate what that trade might be.
We trade a crappy cell phone for Jeter? I’m in!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
hey, watch it. I still have my old Motorola (Moto) Razr, still works though I’ve gone on to the iPhone.
by giant4life83 on Nov 20, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
It’s good to have a phone to talk on and an iPhone to iPhone on.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 20, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
that Razr is my insurance policy if something happens to the iPhone.
it’s fallen 3 stories onto concrete, still works. fallen in a bucket of water, still works. fell out of my pocket playing catch and got run over by 3 cars, still works.
that silver aluminum Razr is a trooper, they don’t make em like they used to
by giant4life83 on Nov 21, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
San Francisco Giants
The Giants should trade for Elvis Andrus. With Cliff Lee going to the Yankees, the Rangers are in need of a top pitcher and could afford to lose one of their top hitters.
THE 2011 GIANTS
CATCHER Buster Posey
First Base Adam LaRoche
Second Base Freddy Sánchez
Shortstop Miguel Tejada
Third Base Pablo Sandoval
Left Field Andrés Torres
Center Field Cody Ross
Right Field Aubrey Huff
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