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Is this a crazy brain storm or could it maybe make sense?

I am sure you have heard that the Marlins and Dan Uggla seem to be at an impasse in their contract talks and the Martlins are now looking to see what they can get for Dan Uggla on the trade market.  Dan is also entering his last year of arbitration and therefore is scheduled to be a free agent after 2011 unless he signs an contract extention with either the Marlins or the team they trade him to.

 

My brain storm is for the Giants to trade Pablo Sandoval and Aaron Rowand plus all of his remaining contract to the Marlins for Dan Uggla.

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Yes, but only for the Marlins.
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Yes, it actulally makes sense for both teams.
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It’s way too early to give up on Pablo. He’s not completely untouchable, but SF would need a lot more than one year of Dan Uggla. As has been pointed out in a lot of these posts, his batting was no worse than league average last year, and he’s got a lot of incentive to get his shit together this winter.

The Rowand salary relief is intriguing, but Uggla’s making 7.8 million this year so it’s not all that much. The Marlins do need a CF at this point, so maybe put them on the list of teams who might be willing to take on part of Rowand’s contract and give the Giants a decent prospect.

It's Johnnie Walker inside.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 14, 2010 11:46 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think this is giving up on the Panda.

We are getting $18M of saved lost value on Rowand (he is only worth $6M over the next two years) in addition to at least one year of Dan Uggla. We are also getting the opportunity to get 5 years of Dan Uggla for the $60M he wants and unlike Aaron Rowand he is likely to actually be worth this and then some.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

trading Sandoval is giving up on him

Are there players worth saying “Welp, thanks for the memories, Pablo, we’ll send you some hats?” Sure. But not many.

It's Johnnie Walker inside.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 14, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I do feel like there are a few opportunities to dump Rowand’s contract this year (would love to see a Rowand for Chone Figgins deal happen), but I don’t like the idea of selling low on Sandoval. I feel like Travis Ishikawa and Jeremy Affeldt curretly have equal trade value and are more expendable to the Giants.

I’m also not a huge Uggla fan. Great pitching demands great defense, and I’m frightened to see what an already poor fielder will do when asked to switch positions.

by AndrewWK on Nov 14, 2010 12:10 PM PST reply actions  

You’d rather have the good defender at third and the crappy defender at second?

by taliesin on Nov 14, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Freddy hasn’t played 3B in a long time, I don’t think you can say he’d be real comfortable there.

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by sam23 on Nov 14, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Freddy would have a tough time playing 3rd with his arm.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Nov 16, 2010 5:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The Marlins are trying to SAVE money by trading Uggla

There is no way they take Rowand. No way.

And giving up on Pablo now is beyond idiotic.

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by GiantPain on Nov 14, 2010 12:12 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yup.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

But they could probably trade Uggla for some players who don’t cost that much. I doubt they are interested in trading for a player who is not only making $24 million over the next two years but is overpaid in doing so.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

They’ll get a better player. The acquiring team will have an agreement in place for an extension when they complete the deal, so they’ll get Uggla for several years and probably have to give up a solid prospect or two.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 14, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

No, you don't understand

Team X, which acquires Uggla from the Marlins, will have an extension in place for Uggla before they complete the deal, OR the Marlins won’t get as much value as they can. Unless the acquiring team can confirm they’ll retain Uggla past this year, they’re not going to part with a player that is worth giving up Uggla.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 14, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Lots of high quality players are traded with just one year to go before free agency.

Very few of the teams trading for these players get a window to negotiate an extension before the trade is completed. It is impossible to have “an extension in place” without such a window.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about "lots"

But some certainly are, and if I were the acquiring team I’d make sure I got that window, otherwise I wouldn’t give up someone like Sandoval or any other young, controllable, cheap, high-ceiling player, because one year of Uggla is great, but it’s not worth 4+ years of great potential. So either the acquiring team will get an extension or they’ll refuse to give up a player that is truly worth getting Uggla.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 14, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

They don’t have to give Uggla anything besides arbitration money.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s not your original argument. Your original argument is that they do save money. But by picking up Rowand’s entire contract, they do not.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

But they're not going to extend Uggla

So they’re not going to spend any money on him. So taking on Rowand is a terrible idea for them.

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by GiantPain on Nov 14, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a hypothetical trade idea. This is not actually going to happen.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Making an argument as though you know what the Marlins are thinking is not convincing and never has been.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

By which I mean, making a stretch that goes beyond what their public posturing indicates.

Saying they don’t want to spend $24 million Aaron Rowand? Logical, based on what they’ve done in the past.

Saying they would because they will see it as actually being spent on Sandoval? When have they ever made a trade like that in recent history?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I just give them credit for being able to do math.

Trades have to be looked at in their entirety not piece by piece.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Matt Morris and Barry Bonds for Adam Jones and Jeff Clement?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

Wladimir Balentien

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

FAP

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by CB30 on Nov 14, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

2/24 is not a savings compared to NOT PAYING UGGLA AT ALL, which is probably what is going to happen at this point.

If they trade Uggla, it will be for players who are cheap. Not players making $12 million and being wildly overpaid at that price.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

You are still failing to look at the whole picture.

Yes, they can get lessor players then Sandoval without taking on Rowand’s contract but then they will have these lessors players instead of Sandoval. They are not going to get a player of Uggla’s talent long term for just one year of Uggla. They have to add more to the deal to replace Uggla’s talent long term.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

And the Marlins in the past have shown a willingness to trade for those lesser players rather than spend money.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

to be fair

The Marlins did offer Uggla a 4 year extension for more money than Rowand and Sandoval are likely to make over the next 4 years.

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by sam23 on Nov 14, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

And like I said before

They are willing to spend money on players that deserve it. Not ones who don’t (Rowand.)

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea I’m not agreeing with the original post, just saying that if the Marlins did view Pablo as likely to produce something similar to what they expected Uggla to produce when they offered him that contract they might accept that deal.

Thing A

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by sam23 on Nov 14, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole picture is genuinely bad for both teams.

Giants are giving up Sandoval when they aren’t paying him anything.

Marlins are trading away 10 million dollars for a good player to receive 24 million dollars for a bad player.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You continue to ignore two facts not in support of your argument.

That the Giants will be a better team in 2011 with Uggla then with Sandoval.

The Marlins will likely be a better team in 2012 and beyond with Sandoval then with the draft picks for Uggla or whatever they can get for Uggla without eating $18M of Rowand’s dollars compared to his value.

Both of these goals fit the needs of these two teams perfectly.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

But you said below that you think Sandoval is going to be worthless going forward?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Then why trade Sandoval for one year of Dan Uggla?

It's Johnnie Walker inside.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 14, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

That is not all you get.

You get the likelihood of being able to sign Uggla long term for 5/60 and you save $18M that would of be wasted on Rowand otherwise.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You said he will have less value in trade after next year than he does right now. That would seem to indicate that you don’t think he will bounce back at all.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If he bounces back to something like .300/.350/.480 this year, then he will have more trade value than he does right now.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you know the Marlins don’t see that in him?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't. They could too.

But I think there is a decent chance that the see the .300/.350/450 that you do with an upside on top of that.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

The Marlins have to see a pretty good Pablo Sandoval in order to be willing to dish out money for the Aaron Rowand contract + whatever he gets in arbitration.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Facts are proven

How do you know Sandoval will have a worse year than Uggla? Even if it’s likely?

How do you know Sandoval will be better than the draft picks for Uggla after 2012?

I am not so certain for both cases. Besides, you continue to ignore the financial issues with regards to the Marlins.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

And you need to open your eyes to see the picture.

When a team like Fish think long term talent they are thinking how many years of pre arbitration they are getting make. Secondly what are the odds of flipping a player down teh road for more prearbitration seasons?

So exactly how many prearbitration seasons are the getting from a Rowand & Panda combo? And how likely is some oen willing to trade a prearbition MLB player or prospect for the age 35 and beyond Rowand? The Fish cut players to Aviod that kind of “return”. Ie Cody Ross.

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by daveinexile on Nov 16, 2010 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah… dumping Rowand’s contract is a fine idea. Thinking that the Marlins are the kind of team that would pick it up isn’t.

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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 14, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

What?

There is no way the Marlins will do this.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, they do.

They offered Uggla 4/.48 so they have the money.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

They have the money for someone who deserves it. Not Aaron Rowand.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t that kind of negate your argument that they want Sandoval because he’s cheap?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see the Marlins ending up with someone of Pablo’s quality. Uggla’s a pretty valuable hitter at a premium position. They don’t need to take on a bad contract to acquire some good talent, IMO.

by Dan from NM on Nov 14, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Pablo is not Matt Williams.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Aaron Rowand is not Trent Hubbard

(I don’t even remember who Trent Hubbard is.)

It's Johnnie Walker inside.

by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 14, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

No, he isn’t.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn’t mean that Uggla is going to have his age 30-34 years like Kent did.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not saying he won’t (though I strongly doubt he will.)

But the fact that he was better than Jeff Kent through age 30 doesn’t mean he’s going to be better than Jeff Kent after age 30.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

or even equal to, for that matter.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Good odds of doing so? You really think Dan Uggla has good odds of putting up a cumulative 142 OPS+ over the next five years?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He strikes out a heck of a lot more than Kent did.

by Dan from NM on Nov 14, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you serious?

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

My Giants’ bias does not affect how I look at their numbers.

Kent’s peak begin as a Giant. His first 6 good years as a Giant was also the first 6 good years of his career. He accumulated 32.8 WAR over those 6 years. Uggla, however, is already peaked and only has 18.8 WAR. Granted, Uggla still has time to catch Kent if you think hasn’t Uggla’s peaked yet. He would still need to maintain over 5.5 WAR for at least the next 5-7 years to even think about reaching Kent’s level. He has yet to do that once.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+109

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by daveinexile on Nov 16, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That doesn’t mean he’s going to end up being better after this point than Kent was.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that seems irrelevant as well

As, at Pablo’s age, Williams had not even begun to establish himself.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s a pretty good reason not to sell low on him then, isn’t it? ;)

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by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 14, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Trading a player who was better at age 22 than Uggla has been in any season as a throw-in to get rid of a bad contract would be selling low on him.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that a Lobster?

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by Cody_ransom on Nov 15, 2010 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay.

The Marlins would not be interested in this. They are, as you’ve said, willing to sign Dan Uggla to a 4/48 million deal, but that is for a good player. The Marlins shell out money for good players (see Hanley), but with their payroll ceiling as low as it is, they cannot afford to pay $12 million a year to someone like Aaron Rowand. Does that make sense? They do have some money to give out, but they cannot afford to use it on someone who is overpaid at that price point (and especially not someone as wildly overpaid as Rowand.)

Getting Pablo would be potentially valuable for them, but he is not going to be as cheap as you are arguing in this thread. He makes the league minimum this year, but he starts arbitration in 2012. If he bounces back at all, he will not be particularly cheap (by the Marlins standards.)

From the Giants perspective, getting rid of Rowand would be good, giving up on Pablo at this point would be not as good and acquiring Uggla would be useful but not as much as one would think as he is due to get a big pay-day after this season.

I think the Giants might do it to get rid of Rowand, but I really don’t see why the Marlins would be interested.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t think they would (seriously, the Marlins are not going to take on payroll in an Uggla trade and what would be the point of trading for Sandoval if you’re actually going to be “paying” him that much money over the next two years?), nor do I think a deal like this is ever going to be discussed.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how you can admit that this might be "crazy"

And then subsequently get so defensive about it.

It’s a stupid idea. It makes 0 sense for a cost-conscious team to take on Rowand’s contract. It makes 0 sense for the Giants to give up on a young potential superstar.

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by GiantPain on Nov 14, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you really think he ever thought this idea was “crazy” in the first place? Come on.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn’t mean every seemingly crazy trade proposal will turn out as well as Williams for Kent did. Or that they are not, actually, crazy.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't you realize

That the Williams/Kent trade means that, from now on, we should only make crazy trades?

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by GiantPain on Nov 14, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean the Williams for Tavarez trade?

by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 14, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

People have this habit of acting like the Matt Williams trade was some kind of stroke of genius on Sabean’s part. But neither he nor anyone else thought that the Jeff Kent he was getting was going to be the Jeff Kent he actually got. Julian Tavarez was a much more important part of the trade than Kent was. That trade was luck, not “crazy like a fox.”

by taliesin on Nov 14, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

This

Kent was the throw in on that trade.

by nataku on Nov 14, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Your BS is showing.

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by can of corn on Nov 14, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well played, Mauer

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by Prussian Creole on Nov 14, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

They will get a much better deal than that.

Sure the Giants can offer this, but there is no way the Marlins would accept.

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 1:33 PM PST reply actions  

This math isn't hard

A year of Uggla, based on past performance, is probably worth around 15 million dollars, perhaps as much as 20. We’ll split the difference and say 17.

Uggla last year of arb will probably net him around 10 million dollars. So he’s likely to provide around 7 million in extra value.

Rowand is probably worth about 8 million a year as a replacement level player if we assume he can manage 2 WAR. He’s owed 24 million. Subtract that from the 16 we think he’ll be worth over two years, and we have the Marlins taking on around 8 million in negative value.

So the Marlins give up 7 million from Uggla and take on 8 million from Rowand, which would mean that they need Sandoval to be worth about 15 million over his payment value over the next 4 years. He’ll make league minimum for one year more, then go through arb, which, if he keeps up a level of production somewhere in line with his career numbers, will probably net him somewhere around 20 million.

So the Marlins end of this deal is entirely dependant on thinking that Pablo Sandoval would be worth MORE than 35 million dollars over the next four years (the 20 million he’ll make and the 15 they’re in the hole).

That’s a very risky proposition for a cash-strapped team. And the Giants would be foolish to give up on Sandoval.

As so many other have said, it makes sense for neither team.

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by GiantPain on Nov 14, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

An actual logic argument.

A counter point. Pablo Sandoval according to Fangraphs has been worth $37.1M in just the last 2 and 1/3 years so the Marlins betting they will get more the $35M in value from him in 4 years should seem like a good bet to them.

If you go with Baseball Reference instead of Fangraphs the Panda was still worth $28.3M instead of $35.1M (6.5 WAR instead of 8.5 WAR) over the last 2 and 1/3 years which should still make betting that they will get more the $35M in value from him in the next four years seem like a good deal to the Marlins.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

But you said before that...

You think that Pablo’s true talent level is what he produced in 2010, not 2009. He was worth $7.7 million in 2010. Assuming he produces that for the next four years, he’d be worth 30.8 million, assuming the value of a win doesn’t fluctuate too much. Therefore, the Marlins get the short end of the stick, and wouldn’t take this deal.

by TGOH on Nov 14, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No trade

that involves Aaron Rowand going to the Marlins AND them taking on the contract will ever, ever happen.

An early contender for worst rosterbation of the offseason.

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by oldjacket on Nov 14, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

I see it.

but it has nothing to do with my point. Sandoval for Uggla is a massive win for the Marlins, but there’s no way that such a cheap team takes on Rowand’s contract. They would probably rather settle for a player of lesser ability and not take on the extra money.

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by oldjacket on Nov 14, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It all depends on what the Panda turns out to be.

If he is a good a you and so many others here think then yes the Giants lose and this is exactly why the Marlins would do the deal. Nut, if he is only as good as I think he is then The Giants win and this is exactly why the Giants do the deal.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

well, that was 100% gibberish.

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by oldjacket on Nov 14, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Gibber is lovely in the summertime.

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by gallo del cielo on Nov 14, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Fish measure moves In how many prearbition seasons a move my gain them

You deal does not provide them with that.

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by daveinexile on Nov 16, 2010 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

pretty sure it is based on the argument, the responses to each post, and the way the post is written to elicit maximum reaction from the posting general audience here.

Basically it’s the same thing over and over : “group think is wrong, here is one possible alternative, if you don’t agree with me your reason is wrong.”

It really got old after the 78th time.

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

1. I’m not picking a fight with you, you are picking fights on your own. Read your responses.

2. You were never a nemesis of mine. Not even close. I’ll try to refrain from being rude here but let’s just say I never thought of you as someone I had to try to “take down”. People see you for what you are all the time, a troll.

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Enjoy your little fanpost

I think it’s pretty clear at this point this is a rehash of the old “woe is me, world against GRM” routine.

And yes, you pretty much just confirmed you are GRM despite previously accusing me of labeling you as some “nemesis of mine.”

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

wait, isn’t that what I just said?

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s trying to take shots at you. I think he, like the rest of us, is confused as to who you’re playing dumb on your identity.

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by Prussian Creole on Nov 14, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No pandering over the Panda

He is/will be good once again. He is a world series champion, that has to count for something?

by Leftyretro on Nov 14, 2010 4:43 PM PST reply actions  

I think you are engaged is wishful thinking.

Wanting him to be good again and have a logical basis to expect it are too different things.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

So Marlins are picking up a bad contract and a bad panda.

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by Unitard on Nov 14, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

They haven't made the trade and if the groupthink is right they will not.

That said I do think they may think they would be getting a good Panda and thus would end up as disappointed as they were with Miller and Maybin if this trade were to actually happen.

P.S. I do actually agree with the groupthink here that this trade is very unlikely to actually happen.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The White Sox would

I wouldn’t. Pablo and Beckham are both 3B (Beckham does play 2B, but that has the same positional adjustment on FanGraphs, so whatever). Pablo’s already had more major league success, and they’re both coming off down years, so their value is low right now, but Pablo has far, far more upside than Beckham in the batting average and power departments.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 14, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

As has been discussed in another thread:

1. Pablo has been, is and likely will be a better player through the end of their arbitration years. Why would you want to trade away the player that is younger, has a better track record and more potential?

2. Beckham is not a major league SS. He’s not even above average at 3B or 2B. What would lead you to believe he could play SS?

by BestHyperboleEver on Nov 14, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I must of missed that thread.

Beckham was a fine defensive SS in the minors and doesn’t play SS now only because the White Sox have an even better one available to them.

With regards to Panda it is my judgment that he has experienced a change in his talent level caused by his cataracts and the resulting eye surgery and thus is likely to never be the same. I think his problems at the plate all come from not being able to detect what pitch is coming his way soon enough. I don’t know this to be fact but this is my opinion.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

So basically, your entire argument

is based on an unfounded theory which states Pablo Sandoval developed cataracts at the age of 24, can’t see anymore, and therefore is not the hitter he was in 2009 and never will be again?

That’s incredibly sound logic.

by TGOH on Nov 14, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

The cataracts and eye surgery are facts.

Knowing for sure that this has resulied in a losd of vision is what is just my opinion. Regardless of why I do think his talent level has changed as he just chases way more unhittable pitches then he did before. He chased balls before but most of them where hittable balls. Now he chases way too many unhittable balls.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, I must have missed this. When did Pablo Sandoval have eye surgery and cataracts? I can’t find a single result googling “Pablo Sandoval cataracts”.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember Pablo saying he was going to wear corrective goggles at bat but that never materialized.

Still, that doesn’t seem nearly as serious as him having cataracts.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

he wore them for most of the middle of the season

then took them off again

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by zenbitz on Nov 16, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, he has glasses at this point, and according to this article...

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-02-27/sports/17958888_1_panda-john-bowker-ball

This season, Sandoval will wear prescription lenses to correct the 20-30 vision in his left eye. He started wearing the sunglasses and goggles in November after he complained about some fuzziness and asked the training staff for an eye exam.

Pablo has 20-30 vision in his left eye. Sounds like a minor issue. And much less serious than cataracts

by TGOH on Nov 14, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Eyes are a funny things.

To you and me a small change in vision does not matter much but to a baseball player trying to recognize early a fastball or an off speed pitch little differences can mean a lot.

by BornRaisedAGiant on Nov 14, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a more interesting question. It would be kind of a challenge trade for the both of them.

In the end, I think I’d flinch. I don’t think Beckham can be an average defensive SS and even in a down year last year, Pablo was better than him.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

And that’s by either version of WAR.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a tough one. I’d be interested to know what the Giants’ scouts think of Beckham’s defense at short.

by Dan from NM on Nov 14, 2010 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked it better when you were still banned

Good to see you’ve learned your lesson and didn’t come back here with the same shitty tone and arguments.

by marcello on Nov 14, 2010 7:09 PM PST reply actions  

this is just wrong on so many levels

First off, effectively the Marlins would be trading 1 year of Uggla & ~15M (the estimated negative value of Rowands’ contract) for 2 years of Rowand and 4 of Sandoval.

It would be more fair to trade Uggla for Sandoval straight up – since Uggla in 2010 is probably the better player even though he is much more expensive.

However, even so this would be kind of a dumb idea for the Giants… why trade a guy who hit .340 last year after a down year? His trade value is at a low. Now, i guess if you thought he was a hopeless case and due to be out of baseball in a year or two, I guess you should try to ship him for something now… but frankly I don’t see why the Giants don’t just see if they can’t turn him around.

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by zenbitz on Nov 14, 2010 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

Yes. No.

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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

Easy, big guy.

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by gallo del cielo on Nov 14, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL, nobody unites people quite like GRM, I guess.

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by Prussian Creole on Nov 14, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi guys!

In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.

by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

So, I don’t think Naked Lunch is for me after all.

In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.

by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see two things wrong with that title.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool

by groug on Nov 14, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s actually quite a bit of nudity in the book. Jizz gets everywhere.

Don’t get me wrong, though: It is sorely lacking in the lunch department.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yick

The thong is, it happened.

by Goofus on Nov 16, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It is pretty yicky.

In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.

by howtheyscored on Nov 16, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

but have you seen Naked News?

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa. Deja Vu.

In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.

by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, yes. That was a solid couple of hours lost my freshman year.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Their Korean affiliates closed shop and didn’t pay wages for some poor girls. That is low.

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by jctGamer on Nov 14, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Sheez.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Avatar Book III is great so far

I loved the episode about Roku and Sozin and the episode about bloodbending was legitimately creepy.

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by jponry on Nov 14, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think there’s only one episode in Book III that I’ll probably just never watch again, and that’s just because it’s a mindless filler episode. You’ll see when you get there.

The bloodbending was really cool. I’ll admit that had I written the show, I probably never would have thought about controlling the water inside of things. So, good on them for that.

Have you gotten to the point where Toph becomes extra awesome? I won’t say more, lest I say too much.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I swear to God, that is the coolest thing ever. Toph goes Super-Saiyan and the entire series ramps it up as a result. Whenever I’m watching the third season I’m counting the episodes until that one.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 15, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The last episode I watched was Bloodbending. I dunno if I’ll be able to watch again until this weekend, but I might end up marathoning the whole rest of it then.

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by jponry on Nov 15, 2010 6:31 AM PST up reply actions  

The episode that I'm thinking about that I have no desire to see again

was the one right before the finale.

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by thehavenot on Nov 15, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that’s the one. Frankly, I’m not even sure why I watched the entire episode an entire time to begin with. I think Sokka says something like “That’s exactly the kind of pointless thing we can do that won’t be important at all!” in like the first minute.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 15, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Also: Book III had a Dante Basco line reading that made me tear up. That’s how good the book is.

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by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Book III was amazing

Best of the three IMO. Zuko’s “treachery” added a lot of interesting plots, and they really knew what they were doing with wrapping the whole thing up.

That’s what made Avatar so great IMO; it didn’t get Lost. Lost started so well, then they didn’t know how long the show was going to run for (popular show means they had to keep it going as long as it was getting ratings), so they had to pad it out with some bad plotlines that didn’t really tie in to everything else and weren’t explained. But Avatar knew exactly what it was doing, exactly where it was going, and exactly how it was going to get there, so it never lost focus and never became boring. Hell, Season 1 is 20 episodes, Season 2 is 20 episodes, and Season 3 is 21 episodes – 1 filler episode that howie mentioned = 20 “real” episodes. That type of show, with a definite ending that is apparent from early on, really needs a lot of planning and forethought, and can’t be artificially extended (which is what happened with Lost, and why it was semi-ruined), and it’s great to see the creators of Avatar didn’t sway from their intended path.

Can’t wait for the new series, too.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 15, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

is there an actual comic or is it just the tv show? I googled but just found the show. legitimately interested here…

by zuma420 on Nov 15, 2010 2:35 AM PST up reply actions  

The Legend of Korra is going to be a new show, apparently about the next avatar (a female Waterbender.)

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by jponry on Nov 15, 2010 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

So, it’s only the shows – there’s no comic book/graphic novel to download? I was looking for one last night, but couldn’t find one. I like the show, but I’ve only seen them here or there – I guess I’ll start watching them in order. Sounds interesting.

by zuma420 on Nov 15, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

There are some but I don’t know if they’re canon or not.

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by jponry on Nov 15, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m seriously considering going back and doing it all again.

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by can of corn on Nov 15, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

TWSS!!!!

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by jctGamer on Nov 15, 2010 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm watching it from the beginning with my kids

It’s my second time through and their first.

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by thehavenot on Nov 15, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He wouldn't take 4/48 from the Marlins

So presumably he wants more than that, and I don’t want to give him more than that, because that’s very fair. I also don’t want to be paying for his 30-35 seasons (decline phase) at a much higher price than Sandoval for quite possibly similar production. Oh, and Uggla can’t play 3B and Sanchez shouldn’t play 3B, which leaves us with no 3B.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 15, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

good points. i just thought it would make more sense to have a known quantity in Uggla over the next 4-5 years while the Giants are likely contending than Pablo, who could be anything from a bench-warmer to an all-star.

by repeat_in_2011 on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i wondered about that, too. and 4 for $48 from what should be a playoff contender for the next 5 years or so.

by repeat_in_2011 on Nov 16, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I really doubt he'd take $48 million over 4 years...

…to play for us for 5 years or so

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by Goofus on Nov 16, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The deal that’s being whispered about right now isn’t really that outrageous though. Uggla to the Braves for Infante and a meh pitching prospect. I’d guess Florida’s in a hurry to get it done since they’ve apparently signed John Buck for 3/$18.

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by Roger on Nov 16, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

The fish are not going to want to take on Aaron Rowand's salary period

For the giants, why pay another guy like Uggla big bucks, he is a worse fielder than sandoval. Yes he has proven power, and sandoval is young, with much potential, and under the giants financial control for a long time. If the giants listen to you, they deserve what they get.

by bradleybear on Nov 15, 2010 10:18 PM PST reply actions  

That might be overstating the case a bit, but the point is valid.

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by quincy0191 on Nov 15, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Curse of the Pandino

31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500

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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 18, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

sigh

giantsrainman says:
November 15, 2010 at 7:20 pm
What about the Giants? They could move Sanchez to 3B where he has played before and rather well I might add. The Giants could overpay in talent with Pablo Sandoval with the Marlins balancing this out by taking Rowand and his remaining 2 years and $24M contract.

by enut21 on Nov 15, 2010 10:47 PM PST reply actions  

20%/20%/40%/20%

Not so crazy after all.

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by Unitard on Nov 16, 2010 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

Apparently the answer was:

Omar Infante + Micheal Dunn for Uggla.

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by zenbitz on Nov 16, 2010 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

Or in other words something like Freddy Sanchez + Dan Runzler. I probably would have done that.

by taliesin on Nov 16, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Immediate Reaction

No. God no.

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

by dregarx on Nov 20, 2010 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Trading away major-league players with great upside potential to ease payroll is not what a high-payroll, large-market team that wants to contend does. That’s what the A’s do. That’s what the Marlins do. That’s what the Dodgers do (they’re not small-market, but under Agent Ned, contending is not on the horizon).

You tough it out the next two years, and in the three years after that, reap the value of a cost-controlled player in arbitration years (which is the most important asset that a team can have if it wants to contend).

Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.

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