Prelude to a much different offseason
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 12, 2010 10:48 AM PST
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The offseason. Even when your team wins the World Series...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_Series_champions
...it’s still a cold, desolate environment. The offseason is when you think a little too much about players you probably won’t think of again. The offseason is when unknown players are going to come over from Japan and remain offensive forces in their new league, just like Kaz Matsui. The offseason is when you kick yourself for not signing Nick Johnson. The offseason is when Nick Johnson goes on the DL because his tibia shattered when you kicked yourself.
The offseason is miserable. Long live the offseason.
It’s a different offseason, though. Maybe the urgency will come back as spring training approaches. Right now, I...I...can’t manufacture any outrage.
Oh, god.
The Giants let Eric Hacker go -- Eric Hacker! -- and all I can do is watch the MLB Network, waiting for that Sports Illustrated commercial to come on. If the Giants had let Hacker go in the past, you would have been treated to one of these:
Sabean: Exaggerated comment indicating hilarious incompetence!Eric Hacker’s agent: Humble request to be paid more than the typical minor league free agent.
Sabean: Nonsensical comment.
Eric Hacker’s agent: Suggestion that the Twins called.
Sabean: Rejection of offer based on premise that Todd Wellemeyer is still available!
cheeky outro music
It gets funnier with every reading. But now? Good luck, Mr. Hacker. The Twins sure seem to have a way with those control specialists, so you probably made a good move. Can’t manufacture outrage for this one.
And it isn’t just minor-league free agents, of course. It feels like every move will be met with glazed eyes and a stupid grin for a while. Pat Burrell stays? Great. He leaves. Swell. Five years, $50M? Well, he did help the Giants win the division, which led to a World Series title. Like Teddy KGB says, "Pyayaayy dat myyan hiz moony." Can’t get too upset about that one.
So this is what a lobotomy feels like. There are two obvious reasons why the outrage keg isn’t flowing:
- There was a lot of outrage last year over, what, Aubrey Huff? Fred Lewis? John Bowker? Well, that all just seems silly now.
- The kind of endorphins that your brain sets loose when you watch a bearded man scream and hug a man wearing a chest protector.
There’s no bringing that season back. It’s like that Black Sabbath song says: "If you love somebody, set them free." So we have to move on. On to the barren, baseballless landscape of the offseason. Let’s talk about shortstops and outfielders. Let’s be the only fans in baseball that can complete ignore their team’s rotation when rosterbating.
Well, unless the Giants could get a BIG BAT for Jonathan Sanchez. See, if they can flip Sanchez and Thomas Neal to the Blue Jays for Jose Bautista, and if the Giants can trade Santiago Casilla and Zack Wheeler for Reid Brignac and Jake McGee, they’ll have...
Hey, this feels kind of good. Still can’t manufacture the right amount of rosterbating nerd outrage, though.
Scott Podsednik
#21 / Chicago White Sox
6-0
185
Mar 18, 1976
Brian Sabean wants this guy
Oh, if only for old time's sake
Oh. Oh, yes. That nourishes me. And, hey, maybe there's a way to make a championship team even better. Maybe that's a better thing to root for than some hollow outrage. Just a thought, though the outrage sure was fun, wasn't it?
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No Pods
Thank you, drive through.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
One Pods plus though
The Dodgers picked up their half of his mutual option and he told them to take a hike. Still don’t want him though.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Easy with those phrases
Teddy KGB will obscene gestures Stick it in you!!
The Teddy KGB quote was perfect
It’s my favorite “I can’t believe it but you earned it,” quote, which pretty much exactly matches how I feel about most of these Giants free agents (I say most because I’m pretty sure Todd Wellemeyer didn’t earn anything).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Garfield AND Rounders refs in one column?
Showing your age, dude.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That’s not his age!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
We won the World Series
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Nov 12, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Hey better hope that Jayson Werth doesn’t sign with the Giants.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
reminds me of that arrested development episode when he is kisses the preachers wife
“you gotta lock that down”
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Uh huh
She can be seen from a distance trailing Buster around on the MLB network WS game 5 postgame coverage if anyone still has that DVR’d. The guys in the production truck kind of kept her in the shot longer than was warranted by the situation—nice.
Here's a video clip of another type with Buster and Kristen
from the Posey’s first days in the Bay Area. She’d never been to a mall.
<href=“http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Buster_Posey_s_Home_Away_From_Home_Bay_Area.html” >
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
that’s a good dog!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
woman married to professional athlete never been to mall? I call BS
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
You ever been to southwest Geogia?
It’s not like here.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
no i havent, farthest south ive been is New Orleans a couple times, but that's a metro center.
but there’s still gotta be metro centers within an hour or two in southwest georgia, no?
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
First, New Orleans is south of Georgia.
Second….not really. Atlanta is northeastern Georgia. The closest “cities” to SW Georgia would be…hmm.
Albany, GA (pop. 75,000)
Valdosta, GA (pop. 45,000)
Dothan, AL (pop. 65,000) (and birthplace of Matt Cain)
Pensacola, FL (pop. 53,000)
Tallahassee, FL (pop. 172,000)
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
i dont know the east coast/south as well as you do, im sure
but i know New Orleans is south of Georgia. i should have said "the farthest southEAST I’ve been is Nawlins. I love that city, it’s practically on the Gulf, right next to Lake Ponchartrain. awesome.
anyhow, DAMN… those are small cities, not to mention they aren’t even close to populated metro centers… 4 of those 5 you listed are like the size of Petaluma. So southwest Georgia really is a barren land, full of small towns of 2,000 and old country stores, etc.
I always wondered what it would be like to grow up in a small town like Poseys. Moving to the SF area sure would be a culture shock.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
well i know its not actually barren like Death Valley, i meant barren as more “not heavily populated”. i still remember some things from grade school. i was just surprised that there isn’t much for metro areas in that chunk of the state
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
From another part of the cotton patch that's the same thing
I think I see a wagon rutted road
With the weeds growing tall between the tracks
And along one side runs a rusty barbed wire fence
And beyond that sits an old tar paper shack
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you’re on my mind
I think I hear a noisy old John Deere
In a field specked with dirty cotton lint
And below the field runs a shady little creek
And there you’ll find the cool green leaves of mint
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you’re on my mind
I think I smell the honeysuckle vine
The heavy sweetness like to make me sick
And the dogs, my God, they’re hungry all the time
And the snakes are sleeping where the weeds are thick
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you’re on my mind
I think I feel an angry oven heat
The Southern Sun just blazes in the sky
In the dusty weeds a fat grasshopper jumps
I want to make it to that creek before I fry
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Mississippi you’re on my mind
Oh, Mississippi you’re on my mind
©1974 Jesse Winchester
From the LP “Learn To Love It”
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Those of us from “not heavily populated” areas might take exception to the idea that our land is “barren.” 50,000+ can still be an annoying large amount of people.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
i just thought there were more metro centers in Georgia.
wasn’t trying to slight anyone, and “barren” probably wasn’t the best choice of words. i meant “barren” from large population densities
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Went to visit relatives in Portland..learned that there is only one cheesecake factory in the entire state of Oregon…
There’s like 5 within a 20 miles radius of me…
by here…I’m assuming you mean Oregon…
That’s probably true but it’s probably also reflective of population density (or the lack thereof)…
No.
Portland is an actual city, thanks.
You find chains in the suburbs.
"You don't pick the time, the time picks you." - Brian Sabean
Oh, I didn’t feel insulted. It just seemed like a rather narrow view of things. A place doesn’t have to have hundreds of thousands of people to be heavily populated.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
it is def sparsely populated out there, compared to the way it is out here
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:36 AM PST up reply actions
Valdosta is where Stephen/JD/Tim Drew are from right?
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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correct.
It’s pretty close to Tallahassee. Less than two hour’s drive.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Um, please ignore the apostrophe fail there.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Those hours own that drive.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
What about Columbus, GA? Pop. 190,000 and about the same distance as Valdosta or Tallahassee.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
hmm, I guess so!
According to Wikipedia, it’s known as “The Lowell of the South.” Uh, okay!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
just watched it… damn she is even finer than i thought.
makes me want my ex-gf back. blond hair, green eyes, and that hot southern accent.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnnmCObSnBY
skip to 18 seconds mark. Pretty much the only reason I’d ever want my ex-gf back.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
no, but similar skillsets.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
You must have had to keep a lot of hot dogs around….
Wait a minute…I don’t think that’s what you mean….
since youre hesitant to say it calbearjd..
i like me a good deep throating from the wimmens.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
no sex in the interwebz?!?!?
am i in a dream again?
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Too much information
Back to your real life in videos.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
She’s got nothing on the Kielbasa queen.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to believe that's from July 2009.
16 months ago he was playing in single A, now he’s a world champion.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
It is crazy to think
I was watching him play for free in San Jose just over a year ago. I remember screaming “You’re the future Buster!!”
I know he heard me.
ill bet i can tell you what he was thinking. either “that fan is a crazy stalker” or “i aint havin this single A ball”
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
OMG that was my PE teacher from sophomore year of high school! I wish this happened four years ago so I could have asked him about Buster.
Wait, I think my brother might have Frandsen for PE this year. I’m going to have to ask him about that, then.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
Fear the Fin - Cornering the market on third pairing defensemen since March 2009
When is she eligible for arbitration?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Awesome Rounders Reference
3rd best sports movie ever. Field of Dreams and Major League 1 and 1A
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
by bumgarner on Nov 12, 2010 10:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
cool runnings?
was that the one where John Candy ate the bobsled team?
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
by bumgarner on Nov 12, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
seconded cool runnings was awesome
feel the rhythm, feel the rhyme, cmon jamica its bobsled time
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
also i submit for the approval of the midnight society Little Giants. I love that movie
also what about the sandlot?
i would prolly go
1) field of dreams
2) slap shot
3) major league
4) the sandlot
5) little giants
with bull durham barely not making it
man, susan surandon is hot
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
somehow i forgot Bull Durham
is it possible to put 4 films in my top 2? Field of Dreams/Major League is tied for 1st, Rounders/Bull Durham is tied for 2nd.
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
bull durham is a terrible romantic comedy
masquerading as a sports movie, IMO.
What about “The Natural”? “8 Men Out”?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Bull Durham
is the best baseball movie, in my opinion. The Natural is very good, but I’m still mad at my mom for recording it over my rare John Coltrane video back in 1988.
Still simmering.
Eight Men Out is great, too. As is Field of Dreams.
In terms of sports movies, there’s always the original Longest Yard, and of course The Bad News Bears.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
Oh yes atxgiants fan
Caddyshack.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
big hitter the lama
I have seen the future of Major League Baseball, and its name is Buster Posey.
by atxgiantsfan on Nov 12, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
You take drugs Danny?
The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald… striking. So, I’m on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one – big hitter, the Lama – long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga… gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he’s gonna stiff me. And I say, “Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.” And he says, “Oh, uh, there won’t be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.” So I got that goin’ for me, which is nice.
"It’s like being a kid when you get orange slices and kool-aid, except tonight we’re nailing champagne" - Wilson
"I want to hug Uribe. I want to hug Posey. I want to hug everyone." - Torres
"It's gonna get weird tonight." - Huff
That reminds me of a story, if you want to hear it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Danny, I'm having a party this weekend.... How would you like to come over and mow my lawn?
Favorite Rodney Dangerfield line: “I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don’t tell ‘em you’re Jewish, okay?”
"It’s like being a kid when you get orange slices and kool-aid, except tonight we’re nailing champagne" - Wilson
"I want to hug Uribe. I want to hug Posey. I want to hug everyone." - Torres
"It's gonna get weird tonight." - Huff
Bull Durham = chick flick
Watching Tim Robbins throw is an affront to baseball.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
/shakes head sadly
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
he probably hates Empire Strikes Back too
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
I'm trying to think what actors looked believable as baseball players
Kevis Costner as Crash Davis?
The thong is, it happened.
I thought "Eight Men Out" was well cast
especially DB Sweeney as Shoeless Joe.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Ray Liotta
as Shoeless Joe was my personal favorite.
Tom Berenger as Jake Taylor was pretty convincing, as was Charlie Sheen as Rick Vaughn
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
Really?
I didn’t find Sheen believable at all, not that it was really the point.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Didn't Sheen actually play college ball?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Nov 12, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I thought
that was one rationale for picking him for that part.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 5:19 AM PST up reply actions
Wesley Snipes as Willie "Mays" Hayes
Realistic or not, he cracks me up every time I watch that movie.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
What about the second Bad News Bears?!?!
Will Devane in his best role ever. And Kelly Leak? American hero.
“Let them play!”
“Let them play!”
“Let them play!”
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
That wasn't Bad News Bears, but the sequel
Walter Mathau was the coach inthe original
The thong is, it happened.
Great movie. Wins the award for most awkward, gross kiss in movie history: Gene Hackman and Barbara Hershey.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
1a) the sandlot
1b) caddyshack
2) field of dreams
3) raging bull
4) rounders
5) remember the titans
HM: major league, rudy, chariots of fire
Not a big hoosiers or rocky guy and never seen slap shot
I have seen the future of Major League Baseball, and its name is Buster Posey.
by atxgiantsfan on Nov 12, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I thought Friday Night Lights was pretty damn good.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
by AngeloB on Nov 12, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
amazingly
the TV series may actually be better than the movie in this case… but yeah, the movie was pretty good.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
could never get into sandlot
too much dodgers/yankees, big turn off.
Yeh..
Although I personally like the Yankees pre-2002 teams.
They were a pretty badass organization before they became excessive in their signings/trades (Giambi, Matsui and A-Rod being the 3 that made me hate the organization).
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
The correct answer is
Field of Dreams
Miracle
Bad News Bears (the original): much better than The Sandlot, especially since the ending scene in the Sandlot invaldiates the entire movie
Hoosiers
Breaking Away
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Breaking Away: Good call
Funny that your list has two Jackie Early Haley movies
The thong is, it happened.
OT
He was incredible in “Little Children”
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
SUGAR!
Sugar is my favorite baseball movie.
And it’s up there as one of my favorite sports movies, to go along with Friday Night Lights, 8 Men Out, The Natural and The Sandlot.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
that was a good film
and needed to be made, IMO.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
No Air Bud?
I’d put Blue Chips up there, if only for Shaquille O’Neal’s surprisingly convincing performance as a giant, talented basketball player.
by Murray, Present on Nov 12, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I can't lie
I really enjoyed watching Air Bud.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Nov 12, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
+1
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm..
The Natural? Still my favorite baseball movie. And Hoosiers is still my number 1 sports movie.
I love The Natural. It’s just classic. It is a little silly that he hits like 40 homeruns or something in basically half a season, but whatever.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Two problems with that
1) no Hoosiers and no Bull Durham automatically disqualifies your statement
2) A movie about poker shouldn’t fall in the sports movie category.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
if it's on espn
then it’s a sport. come on, Matt Damon is awesome and John Malkovich playing a crazy russian eating oreos. how can you find fault with that?
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
Maybe I'm in the minority here
But Field of Dreams is an annoying movie.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
It's watchable...
But not that special.
It gets a little annoying how anti-skepticism the movie appears to be.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
/in this line
It’s interesting but not as fun as the other ones in this thread (not Sugar).
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
I don’tt hink that’s what AVO means. I think it means it deals with spirits and spirituality and karma and afterlife, but I don’t understand why that would be offensive to skeptics. It’s not as if it’s promulgating those images as values …
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I mean...
It casts people who use reason, logic and skepticism in a bad light. They purposefully make everyone who questions Costner’s brilliance as foolish… Like what they did with his brother-in-law who was trying to help him and the family.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
The book is terrible. The female character is so limp and stupid that macaroni could get a job at NASA before she could get an interview. The movie did a lot to make her human, and not a wet rag.
Ultimately, Kinsella just isn’t all that great of a writer. He appeals to that segment of the market that wants to read the literary equivalent of Thomas Kinkeade.
About the same level of skill there.
But Thomas Kinkeade became famous/rich
Bring art to the masses. I guess it depends on ones definition of ‘great’.
You are right, Aquaria. I read “Joe” for the first time last summer. I finished it, but I was appalled that a fellow English teacher had recommended it. It is a lame piece of magic realism, and that form doesn’t allow for lameness.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 14, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Raging Bull
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
Boxing movies get their own list...
Rocky, Raging Bull, Requiem for a Heavyweight, Somebody up there likes me, Million Dollar Baby, Ali, The Greatest…. not to mention Rocky’s 2 through 29
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Raging Bull is in a class all by itself
and I say that as someone who loves Rocky. Cinderella Man wasn’t bad either.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
Does Hoop Dreams count?
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
in the sports documentary category When We Were Kings was good too
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
That was a big favorite of mine when it came out!
Couple years ago the musical counterpart Soul Power was released and is also worth it if you like the music. Some cool Ali footage as well..
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
SPACE JAM
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Sports Documentary with local flavor and black n' orange?
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
It’s really very good.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
I want to be able to pay the $25 dollars for it, but its like kind of a lot of money especially as a student
"I ain't havin it!"
I was able to catch a screening of it at an art house on 9th street in SF a few years ago…maybe you could interest a criminology professor into picking it up for the library. ;-)
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
get ready to boo
I liked Major League Back to the Minors. Basically a TV movie, but I enjoyed it almost as much as the first one.
For some reason I never noticed that Bull Durham and Major League I were released so close together, I guess because I didn’t see either in a theatre.
And no votes for worst baseball movie? Pending the release of Moneyball:Moneyball Harder, I humbly submit for your consideration: Mr. 3000 with baseball expert Bernie Mac.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
i am shocked – shocked! – at the distinct lack of A League of Their Own in any of the above lists.
"Reynolds struck out as many times as I did in high school, and I’m not talking about baseball." - Duane Kuiper.
Nate woulda had that.
by MonochromeGarden on Nov 12, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Totally agree
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
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I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 14, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Another Tsuyoshi article
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/nishioka.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
If the posting fee is really just 4-5 million, that’s not so bad. The guy is just 26, could sign him for his 3 prime years or so maybe.
Hey, if we get Crawford too we could have THREE LEADOFF HITTERS. We’d be unstoppable.
My Son
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With Rowand in center and our Velez/Torres platoon in left
We’ll be unstoppable!
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Never mind whatever I do, my heart has a place for only one Tsuyoshi.
Disfrute Los Gigantes every day at www.leftymalo.com
That belt buckle’s gotta be worth something.
"You don't pick the time, the time picks you." - Brian Sabean
if they sign this guy, they’re basically shutting the door on Crawford as a starter. They’re saying they don’t think he will be a starter anyway.
What?
This makes no sense. One can believe that Crawford will be a starter and also believe that he won’t be ready for 2-3 years.
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Well, Crawford will be 24 in January so I’m not sure that the clock isn’t ticking on him. Still fairly young I guess but, I’m just saying Nishioka will turn 27 in July so why would you sign a guy so close in age if you believe in the first guy?
So… we’re worrying about having too many viable, young SS options now?
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
Uh, no we're not
We don’t have Tsuyoshi, and Crawford has done absolutely nothing to prove his viability. We have no future at the SS position as of now.
My Son
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It really isn't a matter of what the Giants are "saying"
It’s more a matter of Brandon Crawford, he of the .729 minor league OPS, not being a realistic shortstop option at the moment, regardless of what the Giants “say” about him.
My Son
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Sign good players. If the Japanese guy can play a good SS sign him. If Crawford proves valuable and worthy of a shot, either a) trade him; b) let him back up the Japanese guy for a couple of years while he fills the utility role; c) trade the Japanese guy; or d) let the Japanese guy play the utility role.
I’m just failing to see what the issue here is.
Hector Sanchez: Underrated. Fighting body bias since the 2009 off season. I still love you, son, even if you're fat.
Seems like most people look at him as more of 2B.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
No, they aren’t for a simple reason. Nishioka projects to be a 2B very soon down the road.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
His 2010 numbers were way out of line with the rest of his career, which doesn’t translate well to the MLB, and reports are that he isn’t a great SS. Pass
by kingofthacove on Nov 12, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
They said he’d be a good SS on a second division team. We’re the World Champions!!! Not only that, he said his first choice was the Dodgers, although he wouldn’t mind playing for the Giants. Do not want.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Is there a link to when he said this?
I heard somewhere about him saying he wanted to play on the west coast, but I never saw where he said specifically the Dodgers
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/japan-rumors-nishioka-kobayashi.html
here’s the Dodger one
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
damn, I'm internet incompetent
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/11/japan-rumors-nishioka-kobayashi.html
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
I call bullshit. Obviously, the "anonymous source’ is going to tell Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times that the preferred destination is Los Angeles so that Dylan can write this headline. If it was Schulman, the “anonymous source” would have said the Giants.
It’s Marketing 101. They’re trying to drum up the most interest and most $$$ for the guy.
possibly, but “wanting to play in LA” is something we hear all the time, and “wanting to play in SF” is something nobody ever says. I’m hoping the World Series changes this, but I’m still waiting for the first non-Giants FA to say something like that.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
unfortunately, it will probably never happen
unless they have BAY AREA TIES or we get like a couple rings in a row here.
by kezargiants on Nov 12, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Cody: Dan, do you like movies about gladiators?
ahem.
In other news, I heard that DeRosa and (kinda) World Series hero Brian McCann plan to start working out sometime in December/January in Georgia or wherever they live.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a sideplot to Home Runs and Western Suns
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
'intercompetent'
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Based on nothing but his stupid anime hair and his girlish anorexic teenage body I have concluded that he will be bad at major league baseball.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
that's more than enough
he’s not going deep at ATT all season.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Unless Jayson Werth mistakes him for someone’s hot wife.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Err.. number 6. That’s an odd feature.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I won't be outraged until Sabean signs Jeter to a six-year contract
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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I'm not entirely convinced
That the ship on Bengie Molina has sailed.
My Son
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Bengie stepped on the boat and it sank so fast it created a wormhole in the universe
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
My sources tell me this is currently in the works
I won’t name these sources, and I won’t be held accountable if evidence shows that the above is entirely false. Give me a job in sports journalism, please.
by Seasick fish on Nov 12, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
If Grant can work as a journalist, so can you.
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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I read that as
“I won’t be outraged if Sabean signs Jeter to a six-year contract”
And I was worried for your sanity.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
re-sign huff, trade for uggla cuz he’s ross best friend and good, call up belt
torres cf
sanchez 3b
uggla 2b
posey ss
huff lf
belt 1b
sandoval c
ross rf
On a more serious note
I think Uggla is someone worth pursuing – after next year. He’ll be a free agent, we already have a guy at his position – it really doesn’t make sense to give up prospects for him when we can just wait a year and sign him.
My Son
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I actually think the Marlins will wind up signing Uggla to a long term deal. They’re not that far apart. If they add the extra year, he’ll sign.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
There was an article posted just today
That, I believe, has Uggla saying that the Marlins have basically stopped talking to him.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/11/11/dan-uggla-says-marlins-have-halted-contract-negotiations/
My Son
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still, they’ve offered him 4 yrs 48 million dollars. That’s a pretty fair offer for him.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Sorta
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think that also buys out his last arb year – which means it’s basically the equivalent of offering him a 3/38 (or so) contract for after his free agency, which he could probably beat on the market.
My Son
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Also there a main post on Fish Stripes here on SB Nation
with three comments. Three. One is a long spam and the other two are by the same person saying “I hope they sign him”. Are any other team’s fans more disinterested than the Marlin’s fans?
No Range. I love finally having a 2b with range after living with Kent, Durham, and a bunch of AAA+ players
freddy showed just how valuable d at second is during the playoffs though
he made a few plays that were ridiculous and saved a couple of runs
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by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Oh absolutely
But I think as a complete player, Dan Uggla is better than Freddy. Uggla’s hit at least 30 HR a season for, what, 4 years in a row?
Uggla has 5 years in a row of OPS’s above .800. Freddy’s broken .800 once in his career – when he won the batting title.
Defense is very important, yes. But I’m sure that if we had Uggla instead of Sanchez, there would have been some games that we won just because of Uggla’s offense in the same way there were some we won just because of Freddy’s defense.
My Son
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This is the same Dan Uggla who committed THREE errors in the All-Star game a couple years ago, right?
So while we may have won a game due to his offense, there is a strong possibility his power of CLANG could’ve very well cost the Giants a game in the late innings.
He doesn’t strike me as a player who’d be content leaving for a defensive replacement, but that’s just my spider senses, ymmv.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Uggla’s fWAR over the last five years are: 4.0, 2.4, 4.5, 2.8, 5.1 (average of 3.76). In the same time, Mole’s fWAR are: 4.7, 3.1, 0.8, 1.8, 2.7 (average of 2.74). Sanchez has had some injury problems, but I think Uggla’s offense makes up for his defense and makes him a more valuable second baseman. Also, Uggla’s three-years younger than Sanchez, although the fWAR turned out closer than I expected. Uggla’s defense is pretty bad.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
WAR is suspect to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
What is it good for?
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Who are you, Gandhi?
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We wear similar undergarments, yes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
do you rub oil on your bald head too?
/Seinfeld’ed
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
I say a top 5 second basemen in the national league.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I just watched that video which showed Freddy Sanchez’ defensive plays in the World Series. I’m not going to be objective when it comes to getting Uggla right now. Besides, the price has always been Bumgarner or Cain isn’t it? They offered Cantu for Jonathan Sanchez.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
And then they gave Cantu away for nuttin’! Cody Ross, too, now that I think about it.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Whoops. I was talking about Freddy. I’d say he is top 5 in the national league. Uggla, he is probably like 8-9-10
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EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 12, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Ah.
By fWAR, Uggla was 4th best 2b in the NL in 2010. Freddy was 8th.
Dan Uggla had a 5.1 fWAR season last year. Freddy has never had a season that good by fWAR.
What evidence is there that Freddy is now or ever has been better than Dan Uggla?
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ha!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
How useful is fWAR over a single season?
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
As useful as the metrics on which it is based are over a single season, I guess. So it can fluctuate based on defense certainly and offense to a lesser degree. Over five seasons though, it should normalize a bit, so Uggla does seem to be better than Sanchez by about one win per season. Someone more statistically knowledgeable than me could probably answer your question better.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
i think, and this is just a guess, but because our pitching staff is so superior to FLAs, that Uggla’s defense less of a problem for us because we have pitchers that can work around errors. FLA needs every play they can get.
We have the ability to trade off a little defense here or there for a power bat, since our D is already so good
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
im not even gonna go there.
you know how good the OF defense is, esp when it’s like Ross, Torres, Nate.
we can trade off defense at a position or two for offense because our D is terriffic
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Huff’s average, Pablo’s enormous, Sanchez is above average, the Giants don’t have a shortstop right now (and last year Uribe/Renteria was average). That’s the basis for my opinion.
STATZ
Huff and Uribe were above average last year in the Sanchez range, according to teh statz.
It’s Torres, Ross, Schierholtz, and Posey who really make the defense top drawer.
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2010 was the first time since 2004 Huff wasn’t in negative UZR territory, you know.
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Yes.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Also his first year in the National League!
#science
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
This could be a factor
As a team, the Giants struck out 168 more hitters than the Marlins did, which should lead to some non-nominal decrease in the amount of defense Uggla would have to play.
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There’s two sides to it:
(1) The Giants’ had to make the lowest number of plays in the majors last season, partly because they strike a higher proportion out but also just because they get people out generally.
(2) The penalty for a defensive error is lower for the Giants. Again, two reason: one is that you are less likely to make the error in a RISP spot, because the Giants don’t allow baserunners, and secondly because your more likely to bail you out and prevent that RBOE runner from scoring.
So if you think Dan Uggla is somewhere around a -6 fielder, that would probably only cost the Giants somewhere around 4 to 4.5 runs.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 12, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
i think, and this is just a guess, but because our pitching staff is so superior to FLAs, that Uggla’s defense less of a problem for us because we have pitchers that can work around errors. FLA needs every play they can get.
I think you’re sort of right, but for another reason-The Giants staff is composed of mainly K + Flyball pitchers
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yeah i didnt have any stats to back it up, but it made sense to me
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Pablo, Uribe, Huff, etc. can all play multiple positions. Assuming they are all back on the team next year, this versatility will open up a spot for Uggla that will allow us to leave Freddy at 2b. While I don’t think a trade for Uggla is necessary, I would love to have him for a couple years, but if he costs to much, we are fine without him.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 12, 2010 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn’t compensate me for loss of sheer joy I get watching highly competent middle infielders do their job.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
If that’s a stat, I’m a league leader in that.
Omar Vizquel – still playing!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Easy there
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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I was just thinking this morning about the little Q&A session the front office does with the season ticket holders before the season starts, and how the first guy to ask even a semi-critical question this year will get thrown into the cove by fellow fans.
ha! I’ve been to one of those. Bochy’s first season…it was a tad testy.
I could imagine someone asking some testy questions being beaten about the head with a replica WS trophy by a gentleman with a Posey tattoo.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
This time it's going to be more friendly
“Great season Sabes! Would you prefer I service you in your office, back at my place or right here in front of everybody?”
The thong is, it happened.
Gonna a be a slightly different tone than last year
When everyone did their best to muster up some half-hearted enthusiasm about Mark DeRosa.
by Seasick fish on Nov 12, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Jake McGee went to my High School
Reed Raiders. RIGHT ON!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Lol Sparks. The Oakland of the Greater Northern Nevada area.
by JSing on Nov 12, 2010 8:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I've watched game 5 of the World Series about 6 times since last Monday
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
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I got wasted last night
As I hovered above my toilet at 2AM trying to force throwing up, I went through my usual routine, telling myself “Gotta keep working it, can’t die now. I still need to see the Giants win the World Series.”
Suddenly I realized that I may have just lost the will to live.
Sensing life threatening danger, I quickly installed a new routine, telling myself “Gotta keep working it, can’t die now. I still need to see Cal win the Rose Bowl.”
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by jctGamer on Nov 12, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
We will rout Cal
49-13, and hopefully Auburn loses and we can get to the Rose Bowl.
Last I checked,
it was Stanford. I could be wrong though, so you check again.
LOL Pac-32
Stanfurd should enjoy the Alamo Bowl. And there’s nothing that says “Rose Bowl” like Boise State and Texas Tech or whoever else HAL-2000 decides should play there.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t there this stipulation that if the PAC10 champs is in the Natil Champs, the Rose bowl HAS to take a non-BCS team OVER the 2nd place Pac10 team? (Same for Big Ten if they had made it btw). I remember reading that before the season and being outraged( as a Cal student). Of course now taht Stanford’s in that situation it’s kind of funny.
Fate is inexorable
by howcanilose on Nov 13, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
If:
-Oregon is chosen for the national championship game, and
-A non-BCS school is NOT chosen for the NCG, and
-A non-BCS school qualifies for the BCS, then
that non-BCS school plays in the Rose Bowl instead of the Pac-10 representative.
Put simply, if Oregon plays Auburn in the NCG, and either Boise St. or TCU remain undefeated, they would play in the Rose Bowl.
Thing C
I think that's right
I think there’s a possible scenario, but not much of one.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
haha keep dreaming
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve felt really weird lately. I really don’t care about any of this stuff anymore. I like this site for the writing and the community, but I just don’t give a crap about the 2011 Giants at all right now.
This must be what it feels like to be impotent.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Nov 12, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Au contraire. I waited a long time for this feeling, and I don’t want to rush through it is all.
I’m a fan with a slow hand.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Are you discussing baseball or impotence?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
the kgb is responsible for the greatest knock knock joke ever
knock knock
who’s there
the kgb
the kgb wh-
and before they can ask the kbg who slap them in the face and yell
WE ASK THE QUESTIONS!!!
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by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:15 AM PST reply actions
nah teddy KGB made me think of the The KGB and i get a little too stream of consciousness sometimes
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
How I approach this offseason, in Haiku
Who cares if we suck
No Playoffs for 10 more years
Flags Fly Forever
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Yeah, I am somewhat reluctantly in this line. It’s just hard to get worked up over hot stove crap.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I am worked up enough for everyone
WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT NICK JOHNSONS OBP
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Obliterated Bone Percentage?
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, he's like Aubrey Huff, but can't hit as well or field his position.
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s ---
Bochy: WHO GIVES A SHIT? IT'S WHATEVER I SAY IT IS BECAUSE I WON A WORLD SERIES.
by scout6 on Nov 12, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I felt this way for a solid week. I didn’t even think about coming on MCC because really, all I’d do is repeat “The Giants won the World Series” over and over. But now I’m building some interest in all this nonsense. Now it’s a somewhat detached interest, but it’s there.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think I had posed this question before
If Giants win it all, how long should the honeymoon phase last? For me it will be 3 years – this team can succeed, fail, torture fail or dynasty it for the next 3 years and I will still be on a 11/1/2010 high.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Nov 12, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I love Aubrey
I think re-signing Uribe is the number 1 priority. SS options SUCK.
Also, if Runzler does become a decent starter, it certainly makes things interesting….
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Nov 12, 2010 11:25 AM PST reply actions
agreed. if we lose Uribe we dont have anyone to replace him
if we lose huff it would suck but we have a shiny brandon belt to replace him
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Nov 12, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
LolRoche
How stupid does he feel for choosing the Dbacks over the Giants? Then they don’t even pick up his option!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
he probably doesn’t care, because he got good stats this year in ARI.
thats the whole reason he axed a deal with SF
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
rowand
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah
For a second, that was hot, and then I realized who Tim was hugging and it became not hot at all. :(
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 12, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
WS aside...
How awesome is it to have an offseason without worrying about pitching, like, at all?
let pablo buffet
by varsity shortcut on Nov 12, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions
“The offseason is when Nick Johnson goes on the DL because his tibia shattered when you kicked yourself.”
It’s funny because it’s true.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Nov 12, 2010 11:54 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Breaking News!!!
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=2670
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Yeah but who is getting sent down in his place?
Or is it November call-ups time already?
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
I tell my girlfriend this every day...
“Hey, you know what’s cool?”
“What?”
“The Giants won the World Series.”
“Oh… Here we go…”
“Yeah! First they beat the Padres on the last game of the season to clinch the NL West, then they beat the Braves in the Divisional Series. And then they beat the Philidelphia Phillies in 6 games to win the National League Pennant and represent the National League in the World Series. In the World Series, they played the Texas Rangers, who beat the Tampa Bay Rays and the Yankees. Then, they beat the Rangers in 5 games to win the World Series for the first time in San Francisco Giants history!!!!!!!!”
“Oh yeah?”
“It was awesome!”
She must really love me to put up with hearing that every day for the past week. Also, the Giants won the World Series if anyone here wasn’t aware.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 12, 2010 12:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Who could that be?
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 12, 2010 12:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
..The Giants won the World fucking Series!!
its not such a great knock knock joke, I know, but still.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Who could it be now?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
The love child of Colin Quinn and Liam Neeson if such a thing were possible?
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 12, 2010 12:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
and Ed O'Neil?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Vegemite!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
And because of this, it feels a bit too early to spread rosterbabies all over this place. I'm still coming down.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Nov 12, 2010 12:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
you might want to make sure she doesnt strangle you in your sleep, or snuff you out with a pillow.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
If any of you are starved for baseball news
athletics nation published a three part interview with Lew Wolff, the owner of the A’s. Lots of interesting stuff, and obviously the Giants come up pretty often.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This was a great interview.
Why isn’t Grant interviewing Sabean?
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
Free AnVil!
Different sites, different styles, different organizations.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 12, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
we took a vote on this
sort of
most of us agreed that we liked Grant making poop jokes and had no desire to see him make a grab for journalistic integrity.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
here it is
that was an interesting thread, with special guest appearance from Jeff Fletcher
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/2/12/757448/comcast-sportsnet-baseball
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
This still makes me laugh (linked from within that thread)
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/10/16/636500/schadenfreude#9403462
Ask me about my blog.
STUGD!!!!
I’d forgotten about that.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I think access would be pretty hard for me to get. I might have to ask. But then I wouldn’t be able to play Assassin’s Creed II while my daughter napped. You can see how I’m torn.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 12, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
you can still play wasteland on a PC
Brian Sabean: Greatest GM in the history of history
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"I just sold my Blue Finned Goby for 15 Sand Dollars"
Savy
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this kind of chuckle
is what makes picking through these long threads worthwhile.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
I enjoy that he's wearing an underarmor polo
It says he’s involved in the sporting universe, but also that he’s formal.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
WHAT R U DOIN GRANT FRISBEE BRASS
GET OFF YR HANDS!!!!
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Perhaps because Neukom has his choice of media outlets to talk to?
I imagine that 3 part with Athletics Nation is already printed out and taped to the Wolff family refrigerator, possibly with a green and gold star attached.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Because it’s pointless?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Insiders and inside access aren’t allowed here. You remember that time a few years ago when Grant was the Fox Sports Network insider? No good. That’s why the Giants are on Comcast now.
by non sequitur on Nov 12, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
Why isn’t Grant interviewing Sabean?
You, obviously, have not been over on McC Premium. That video of them washing the car together? Priceless.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
MCC Premium Platinum got pictures of them washing the car…with their shirts off. And then they made out.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
OVERFAP
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Reading that transcript makes it sound like Lew is pretty desperate and not all that optimistic that Bud will step in and give him San Jose. The longer it takes that “blue ribbon panel” to come back and report, the more confident I am that Neukom has effectively scared MLB into siding with the Giants.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
The Bowtie was Microsoft's corporate lawyer.
I fear him.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
agreed
I have no knowledge of Neukom’s track record as a lawyer, but something tells me you wouldn’t be Microsoft’s lead guy for that long unless you really knew what you were doing. Who knows if he’s got what it takes to be a great owner (though so far the track record is most encouraging), but I’m pretty sure that no matter what he’s nobody’s fool. Smartest owner in the Bay Area, perhaps? (I ask this having no idea who owns the Sharks).
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Neukom spent 15 years fighting off the anti-trust violations charged by the
Department of Justice. He spent 15 years fighting MS’ trademark and patent wars. Plus, all the labor law, real estate law, and such as MS grew from 20 employees to two bazillion. I’d say he has a good insight into dealing with the territorial rules of MLB, not to mention how to tie the Commissioner’s office up in paper and have conferences and all the other good stuff. He knows how to sound reasonable while making it clear he’d be happy to sue their ass even though they are good buddies—because he’d be “remiss in his duty to his team if he didn’t!”
“So let’s go have lunch and talk about it some more and no way are the Giants giving up anything.”
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Great interview(s). I pretended to hear the interviewer’s voice as a typical angry fucking asshole who posts at AN.
TB: So does that rule out going after say somebody like Carl Crawford this off season?
LW: I don’t want to get specific.
TB: I was saying someone like him.
Love that the blockquotes don't work
....HOW MUCH?!?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
SARAH JESSICA PARKER?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I read this as Sarah Jessica Bowker. Bowker swooped in after Jayson Werth stole her husband.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
OT - Atheletics get Edwin Encarnacion 3B
on a waiver claim from Toronto
.244, 21HR, 51 RBIs in 96 games last year – he is 27 years and hits RH
2 DL stints and one term in minors
still more HR than any other Athletic
all per John Shea tweet
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 12:31 PM PST reply actions
and a .305 OBP, heh.
Kinda surprising the Jays let him go. I guess they want to move Jose Bautista back to 3rd?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Eh..
His OBP will likely be fine. Nothing special (career .336), but fine.
Unless he’s become too homerun happy and no longer cares about getting on base.
Unlikely in the A’s organization.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Another crappy player once offered to the Giants even up for Jonathan Sanchez. No wonder Sabean never makes a major deal anymore.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Nov 12, 2010 12:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
was there any truth to the Hamilton for Sanchez rumors?
If so, that was probably the only one we should’ve taken
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s still on the table..
I have seen the future of Major League Baseball, and its name is Buster Posey.
by atxgiantsfan on Nov 12, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Which Hamilton is being offered?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
this one, I assume
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Congressman Coppertone.
Do not want.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
His Black credentials are lacking!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
He lacks the endorsement of the Congressional Black & Orange Caucus.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Is that Kruk, Kuip and then Mays & McCovey?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
//Masanori & Tsuyoshi waving wildly.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
I WILL NOT PERFORM ON THE TODAY SHOW
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
A VICTORY FOR THE OPPRESSED ORANGE PEOPLE OF ORANGINA
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 13, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they’re both old, gross, orange, and not married to U.S. Senators.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Sabes NOT making a major deal is fine with me. because of that, and also i still think he would screw it up.
seems like all the other GMs think they can rip him off because of a few bad deals he signed.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
Also, I wonder what this means for Kouzmanoff. Perhaps they felt the need to add a new crappy back-up since they cut ties with Chavez.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
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Kouzmanoff career OBP – .302
Encarnacion career OBP – .336
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, it was Cust I was thinking of (.395 OBP), not Kouz, thanks for pointing it out.
.395 OBP for Jack Cust, with Encarnacions .336 OBP, all they need is a power bat, and they will have maybe a league average offense.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
ahh..
21 HR in 96 games ain’t too shabby for Encarnacion, if he could stay healthy…
though he also had 18 E in 95 games, so there’s that.
nice no risk pick-up for the A’s though
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
all the A’s seem kinda the same to me. probably cause every time i try to follow the team, they move so many players through the team that i cant even keep up, lol.
I think Encarnacion, with that OBP at power (if healthy, maybe translates to 28 HRs) will be their #3 hitter. A’s def did well there.
They also have Kouz, Cust, Ellis, and Rajai Davis, thats all i can remember. Other than Chavez, Ellis is the only guy who’s played for them for more than a season or two (or so it seems)
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
remember though, HRs fly out of the Blue Jays stadium like crazy. I’m not gonna look up his home/road splits, but maybe his power is a little overrated.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Just for fun I checked:
2010 HR
Home: 7
Road : 14
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
oh, wow. considering how many HRs were hit in Toronto this year, i expected those numbers to be the other way around
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
for Bautista it was different:
Home: 33
Road: 21
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
i wonder if he’s gonna be a one-year wonder, or what. i wouldnt be buying high on him right now. wait another year, 1.5 years then we’ll know whats up.
for all we know, he could get caught with steriods in April, or he could just be a supreme talent, or just a fluke.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I've read some who say he's completely altered his swing
I haven’t looked into it personally, but it would be a pretty cool story if that was actually it.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I think he probably caught a bit of lightning in a bottle, but if I was a betting man I’d take the over on 40 HR next year.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
You’re crazy. For his career, Albert Pujols has averaged 41 homers a year. You’d really take the over on Bautista?
The point is that regression is a bitch. If 40 HR were the line, I’d probably take the under on every single player except Pujols and Votto.
you're both right
probably a good indication why I’m not a betting man.
though I wouldn’t be shocked if Bautista managed to knock out 40 next year – he made it look really easy this season….
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Everyone’s comparing Bautista’s season to Brady Anderson’s 1996 season.
Warning, angry Giants fan on the loose.
Chemically enhanced?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Dunn?
Also, Votto?? Dude didn’t even crack 40 in his career year.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
What makes this trade stand out to me, though, is how perfect a fit it is. Not for Kansas City. Mazzaro isn’t good. But for Oakland, as DeJesus might have been the most A’s player in the league who didn’t play for the A’s. He’s decent. He’s not great, and he’s not bad. He’s unknown. His eye is okay. He plays strong defense. He runs fairly well. He’s battled some injuries. He has mediocre power. You know who that sounds like? Ryan Sweeney, and Travis Buck, and Rajai Davis, and Coco Crisp, and Mark Ellis, and Cliff Pennington, and Kevin Kouzmanoff, and Kurt Suzuki, and Daric Barton, and Gabe Gross, and Adam Rosales, and some others, too.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
A’s trade unexciting players for unexciting player
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
i think its a good trade. if encarcion stays healthy, that’s a .336 OBP with power
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Again, Jeff Sullivan has clearly been touched by God.
Fantastic writer.
And, of course, by God, I am likely referring to Grant.
And, of course, by God, I am likely referring to Grant.
You misspelled: Renteria
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
he was on the DL 40 days and 40 nights…
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
He certainly led us to the Promised Land and for that he will always be one of my favorite Gigantes.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I still have soft-focus, string-soundtracked dreams of a Lowry for Encarnacion swap
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit!
-Doc Brown, Zito fan
by jordanovich on Nov 12, 2010 12:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Encarcacion = WRAPPED IN MEAT
Brian Sabean: Greatest GM in the history of history
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Athletics – don’t sign Bengie!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Now this intrigues me
Rival teams believe the Rays are willing to trade B.J. Upton. What’s more, Tampa Bay wouldn’t have to be overwhelmed to agree to a deal.
What do they need?
Upton has, what, two years of arb left? Do the rays need pitching? I’d probably be willing to offer Wheeler + Neal or something similar. Runzler too maybe?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Torres LF
Sanchez 2B
Upton CF
Posey C
Huff 1B
Uribe SS
Sandoval 3b
Ross RF
I like the look of that. Great OF defense, a bit more speed on the basepaths…
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LOL TORRES!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
The OF positions would be malleable, yeah
We’d have three above-average CFs in our outfield.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Who has the better arm? They go to right field.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Ross over Torres, or so it appeared.
Ross has gunned down quite a few guys, the one that really sticks out is Scott Rolen trying to stretch a long single off the LF wall into a double in extra innings (the game we came back 10-1 from)
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
That sounds painful…
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I would keep Torres in center
Upton can play a corner spot…
Upton is kind of an enigma… and he’d make me nervous if we were giving up a big time prospect, but if the price is right I guess I would take the gamble
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Unless Upton can reproduce his 2007 numbers, he isn’t a top of the order hitter. If we did trade for Upton (which I certainly wouldn’t object to), I’d want him hitting 6th.
Also, I know he was originally a shortstop. As our greatest need is a young, multi-talented shortstop, could Upton be reconverted into a middle infielder? Just wondering.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 12, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
He’s had one full season of below-average production in his career. His wRC+ last season was 114. Anything above 100 is above average – for reference, Sanchez was at 104 last year. I think he’d be a fine 3-hole hitter.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Still, that low avg. doesn’t look good for the #3 spot. I like him as a player overall, but unless he gets his avg. back up, I just see him as Juan Uribe with more speed and more potential. Like I said, I would love to see him as a Giant, I just think Huff is a better hitter than him.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 12, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Batting average is a terrible, terrible measure of offensive abilities.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Perhaps,
but Huff is still the better hitter. As is Posey. Normally, the two best hitters on the team hit third and fourth. And I already said that Upton is a great player, But can you say that he is a better hitter than our first baseman or our catcher? Sure, if he hits like he did in 2007, then maybe, but considering he needed a .393 babip to hit .300, he doesn’t have the contact skills to hit at an elite level. A good level, but not elite.
And batting average is actually a very good measure of offensive ability. For example, the best hitters this season all hit for averages in the high .200 to mid .300 range, Bautista excepted. All I’m saying is that if Upton continues to hit .237 in 2011, he is not as good as Huff or Posey.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 12, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
And batting average is actually a very good measure of offensive ability.
No, it really isn’t.
And I’d rather have the better hitter in the #5 slot than the #3 – it’s more likely to come up with runners in scoring position.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
i wouldnt put the teams best hitter in the 5 slot. best goes in the 3 slot, 2nd best in the 5 slot. cleanup goes to the power guy who walks and hits HRs. I would have liked to see a Posey/Burrell/Huff 3-4-5 to see how it worked.
Imagine in 2011 if Belt comes up/is as good as billed, Pablo ‘returns’, we could have a formidable lineup. If Huff and Pat, along with Juan return, it would become a very tough lineup to go with very tough pitching.
We would be instant favorites, thus, we would lose, lol.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:17 AM PST up reply actions
though i recall someone saying that the 2nd and 4th slots (or was it 2nd and 5th) are the best places for your 1st and 2nd best hitters, respectively
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:18 AM PST up reply actions
It's 2nd and 4th
The basic rationale is that if you bat him 2nd, he’ll get more ABs. And if you bat him 4th, he’s less likely to come to the plate with 2 outs and no one on, which wastes him.
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Also need to count for LH, RH lineup variation.
See utley, howard vs. javier lopez.
by giantdonkey on Nov 13, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
i think that theory is overblown
not many teams have a legit LOOGY to begin with. i dont think that batting RH or LH hitters in groups, when they are your best hitters, is bad like everyone thinks.
the splits arent significant enough most of the time to where your best 3-4 hitters need to be split up.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
true
but i’ll bet the reds keep a righty between Votto and Bruce.
didnt Bruce and Votto hit back-to-back in the 2-3 slots this year?
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
what’s amazing to me is how simply the Phillies could have solved the problem. Their three best hitters were two lefties and a righty. Why didn’t they just bat Werth between Utley and Howard?
I agree with the above that I don’t think switching lefty righty is of tremendous importance all the time, unless you’re facing a legitimate LOOGY or ROOGY in a big game. But I do think, all else being equal, you want to balance your offense just to mess with the opposing pitcher. If he doesn’t have to change his approach from one batter to the next that’s got to be easier, right?
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Howard doesn’t know how to hit 5th. Never done it.
/Manuel’d
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Rectumface doesn’t know how to lead off. Never seen it done.
/why they lost NLCS
mindblown.
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by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
For example, the best hitters this season all hit for averages in the high .200 to mid .300 range
Well, duh. The people who end up on the leaderboards are those who:
a) Are good hitters in the first place
b) Get a little luck in the batting average department, because that inflates all of their other stats
You are reversing causation. The reality is that batting average is not an effective indicator of hitting prowess compared to OBP and SLG and it is downright silly to give it precedence over BB%, K%, and HR%. BA is much more dependent on outside factors and is unreliable enough to vary widely from career levels in individual seasons.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I'm not saying it's more important than any of those stats.
All I am trying to say is that BJ Upton is not as good a hitter as his 2007 indicated. I agree that batting average depends somewhat on luck. But it sounds as if you are trying to tell me that Mark Reynolds was merely unlucky this year, and his abysmal stats (other than homers) had nothing to do with the fact that he struck out over 200 times, again. BJ Upton had trouble making contact with the ball, resulting in 164 strikeouts.
While players who strikeout a lot can be quite good (see Ryan Howard), they have to compensate for that with a good babip, or lots of power. As babip has a lot to do with luck, it can’t be high all the time. Aubrey Huff is a better hitter than Upton because he hits for a higher batting average without depending on babip. That is all I’m trying to say.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 13, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Mark Reynolds didn't have "abysmal" stats
They were actually pretty average – his OBP and SLG were down, but not awful.
Which is yet more evidence of Batting Average’s uselessness.
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Yes, but imagine how much better his OBP and SLG would’ve been if he’d hit for a higher batting average. Last year, he was a very valuable player because his batting average was higher.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 13, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
I agree with what you’re saying.
Don’t understand why they think you’re being unreasonable in your conclusion.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 13, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, Reynolds would have been better if his avg was higher
But he had a decent season with a TERRIBLE batting average – which completely contradicts your point about AVG being “a very good measure of offensive abilitly”.
If you can have a good season while also having a terrible batting average, then how is batting average a “very good measure”?
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STRAW HATS
While players who strikeout a lot can be quite good (see Ryan Howard)
you won’t be hearing ‘Howard is so great’ when he’s 38 and making $25 mil a year.
That was not a great idea by the Phils
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
they may get burned with what will be the worst contract in MLB by then
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
For the record, Howard is a good to great hitter.
I should’ve bolded this in the first place to make it obvious. He’s a good-to-great HITTER. As a player? Pretty meh.
his range is terrible. i can only imagine when he’s 39 collecting 25mil in the NL, haha.
Selig will probably grant the Phillies a DH so they don’t suffer with Howard at first when he’s old.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
And batting average is actually a very good measure of offensive ability.
Career batting average:
Placido Polanco: .305
Hal Morris: .304
Mark Grace: .303
Sean Casey: .302
Jose Vidro: .298
Juan Pierre: .298
Barry Bonds: .298
So, since batting average is a “very good measure of offensive ability,” I take it all these guys are as good or better hitters than Barry Bonds?
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Batting average is not the only measure of offensive ability,
but if you consistently hit for a high batting average, you are a valuable player. Though Barry Bonds was one of the greatest players of all time, and certainly better than Juan Pierre, Pierre has been a valuable player to the teams he’s played for because he steals a ton of bases.
As a trend, in MLB history, the best hitters have hit for a high average. Tony Gwynn didn’t walk much, didn’t hit many homers, and would’ve been a rather unspectacular player overall if he didn’t get so many hits and steal so many bases. But he is in the hall of fame.
I shouldn’t have said said that batting average is a good measure of offensive ability, but rather a good batting average indicates a good hitter. I see your point, because Bonds was a much better offensive player than all the ones you listed. However, Polanco, Morris, Grace, Casey, Vidro, and Pierre have all been invaluable to their teams.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 13, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
invaluable suggests that those players were “irreplaceable”, which is really not true. they were valuable players at times and decidedly not valuable at others.
when a player’s value relies very heavily on his batting average, as those players do, it doesn’t take much for them to become completely useless.
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They never were completely useless, though.
Their ability to combine their consistently solid batting average with their various other skills made them valuable players overall.
No player is irreplaceable.
by WasabiTorture on Nov 13, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, lets circle back.
If it’s the other skills that make the players on that list good hitters, can we officially say that batting average is not a good measure of offensive performance without you disputing that?
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
As a trend, in MLB history, the best hitters have hit for a high average.
Again, you’re confusing correlation and causation. Yes, the best players pretty much all have high batting averages. But that doesn’t mean they were the best players BECAUSE of their batting averages, or that you can use batting average to determine who are the best hitters. To be one of the best hitters, you need much more than just batting average. Batting average gives you the same result for Barry Bonds and Juan Pierre. Ergo, it is most definitely not a “very good measure of offensive ability.”
Also, while the BEST players generally have high batting averages, there are plenty fo very good players who have cruddy batting averages.
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Jose Bautista in 2010 was one of the 5 most productive players by most linear weights systems but hit right around league average.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 14, 2010 7:06 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
But he is right about one thing: if you look at the best players of all time, they generally have high batting averages.
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If by best, you mean offensively productive, yes. And it almost becomes a tautology.
Any list of great hitters will of course have a the very top those players who, an abnormally large percentage of the time, hit the ball where it can’t possibly be fielded.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 14, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions
Well, this goes back to my list elsewhere in this thread of the highest WAR players of all time. Almost all of them have high batting averages.
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But you’re selecting for, like, the top .01% of all baseball players. They’re overwhelmingly going to have high everything. By that logic every stat is a fantastic measure of offensive performance.
I’m pretty sure jcb9 isn’t arguing that batting average is the cause of the high WAR values, just that there is in fact a correlation.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Also, Juan Uribe and BJ Upton are completely different hitters
Upton has a career 11.3 BB%. Uribe’s is 5.6.
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I remember his early years as an attempted shortstop.
They were not pretty.
LOL CLANK
I don’t know what took the Rays so long to move him to the outfield
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Wheeler and Neal?
The guy hasn’t hit in two years and is a clubhouse problem as well. He’s not as good as Andres Torres and you’re giving up Wheeler for him? Wheeler will soon be the number five starter on the greatest rotation of all time.
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by rxmeister on Nov 12, 2010 12:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
???
He had a 114 wRC+ this year – that’s really good with plus defense.
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I guess it depends on how much we project from Wheeler and Neal. Upton’s probably a 3-4 fWAR player if he slugs over .400. I’m not sure that’s worth Wheeler plus.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Upton
.237/.322/.424 when our present CF is .268/.343/.479 and those stats suffered at the end because of the appendectomy. For that we should trade our number one minor league pitching prospect and one of our top hitting candidates? Did you not just see the value of great pitching this year of all years?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
forgot to mention 164 strikeouts, just 43 walks and most importantly, a contending team that is losing two of its best hitters to free agency (Pena and Crawford) is willing to give him up cheaply? Don’t you ask yourself why?
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
I think you reply failed a bit. I’d like me some Upton, but I agree that he’s not worth Wheeler.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
sorry. My reply was to the posters who would give up both Wheeler and Neal for Upton. I wouldn’t give up Wheeler alone.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Not on board with Wheeler AND Neal
A package around Neal I could get behind
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Upton has a career .340 wOBA, which is well above average for a center fielder, despite having spent his whole career in the toughest division in baseball. He’s a superb fielder and base stealer. And he just turned 26, which means there’s still a decent chance he turns the corner and becomes a superstar. He’s certainly got the tools for it.
Wheeler’s a great arm, but compare his progress thus far with Cain or Bumgarner or any big high-school arm you care to name and you see that he’s well behind the curve. Neal’s okay but has almost no star potential.
It’s not close to being an even trade. If you won’t part with Brandon Belt, Tampa’s going to talk to someone else instead.
You’re ignoring that his career was on a precipitous downward path until this season when he rebounded some. Plus the fact that Wheeler and Neal (assuming they make the majors) have 6 cost controlled years each, whereas Upton has only his 2 most expensive arb years left.
UZR has him as barely above average for a CF over his career, so I don’t know that he could be called superb. And I think saying he did his hitting in the toughest division in baseball is a little misleading, because the pitching in that division isn’t anything special, particularly when you play for the Rays.
I agree he could still become a superstar, but I don’t think it’s worth two top prospects to find out if he’s going to do it in the next two years. Anyway, I think it’s a close trade. I don’t think I’d do it. Certainly I wouldn’t do Belt.
But you’re right, Tampa could probably do better. There are other teams whose needs match up with Upton’s abilities more than us.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
“a precipitous downward path” is probably overstating things. He’s been an above-average hitter 3 of the last 4 years. He declined from 2007 to 2008 and from 2008 to 2009, but 2009 is the only year I would’ve worried about: 2007 was probably just too good to be true.
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Too much.
They definitely need bullpen help. Not sure what else.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Upton seems like a pretty decent player (average bat, above average glove), although the increasing K rate and swinging outside of zone scares me a little. But I don’t know if I’d give up all 3 of those guys to get 2 years of Upton.
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They might be setting themselves up to commit to Crawford by freeing themselves from Upton’s arbitration years. I’d be into him for the right price. Easier burden financially, that’s for sure. I’m not sure I’d part with Wheeler plus though, as Upton’s struggled a bit the last two years compared to 2007-2008. 07-08 may have been based on a bit of BABIP luck as well, which makes me think Upton’s not worth a first-round pitcher.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Tampa Bay has no chance to re-sign Crawford, he’s even said so himself. They couldn’t possibly be figuring that into their logic in discarding Upton. They’re discarding him because he’s a jerk. This is a classic example of the other man’s grass being greener, and I’m surprised because this time around our team are the champions. If he was putting up these numbers for the Giants the past two years, most of this board would be demanding his release.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Yeah the Rays are losing a ton of relievers to FA
Runzler for Upton would be cool
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I’d stay away, then. It’s WCW who is always right, not WWF/E.
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Once upon a time, The Rock was really, really shitty.
I never really liked Big Boss Man.
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“Both versions” meaning Sting and nWo Sting?
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(also, Randy Savage for me. Kurt Angle’s up there as well.)
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Other than being blond and Canadian, they’re pretty different from one another. Should be easier now that Jericho has short hair though.
Also: former tag team partners with Christian.
Who I always liked better than Edge, myself.
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Unfortunately, Vince McMahon always tries to avoid pushing wrestlers shorter than he is.
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Christian was my favorite
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which reminds me of one of my favorite latter-day WCW guys
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Really? I know he showed up occasionally as a jobber before he became Screamin’ Norman Smiley, but I don’t remember seeing him before 1997 or so.
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Natto is into Bloodsucking Freaks? Cool! I love that movie!
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
Wonder where the B.J. came from.
I used to wonder too but now I’m just happy to have it.
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Don’t ask, don’t tell.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know much of anything, and I certainly don’t follow the AL very much….BUT….I like this Upton kid. He would be fun to watch patrol the lovely outfield of Mays Field and I remember him absolutely LIGHTING UP Boston pitching in the ALCS in 2008 (.321 .394 .786 1.180)
Yeah, SSS and all that.
I’m also aware that he’s been ‘problematic’ at times in the clubhouse, but I’d like to think that perhaps he is in need of a change of scenery, maybe he’s more of a NL player, and also: having been to Tropicana Field – I think the dude would be psyched to play in a stadium and a City as cool as ours.
I would do this deal if it wasn’t crazy expensive on the Giants end as far as trade bait.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
All I really want is for the Giants to resign Huff and Uribe… So in the meantime until that happens, I’ve been following the A’s offseason. It’s fun hearing A’s fans making all the same old arguments about trading such-n-such starter for A BIG BAT.
sounds familiar.
oh, thats right, this discussion just took place 10 posts above… and every day for the last 4 years. poor A’s fans. i really do like the A’s too
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
SWITCH TO A SOFT-BRISTLED BRUSH AND GET SOME SENSODYNE
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Okay, thanks.
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by satyricrash on Nov 12, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Timmeh?
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
wtf
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I’m not going to click that link.
48 years after his heart was broken by a Willie McCovey line out to Bobby Richardson, Charlie Brown finally has his championship.
It’s a soft WTF, not a “cannot be unseen” WTF.
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Spike & Mike’s animation short – should’ve been more clear.
stick figures.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Better yet.
Buy it yourself, own it in higher quality, and give Don the freedom to not have to flip burgers so he can go back to making more films just like it.
Don’s pretty pissed about free distribution of his product, and I can’t say I blame him. If you like “rejected,” you should also check out “Bitter Films, Vol. 1” which has his earlier (and equally hysterical) works.
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Actually, 3 years was enough.
I got tired of replacing my mirrors. And my drumset. And our mailbox. And…well, you get the idea.
True story: IV was recently listed as one of the highest rates of theft in the NATION??
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I don’t have salt water. Would gravy work?
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you have no salt? not even one of those little packety dealies from a restaurant?
hydrogen peroxide can help sometimes 1:10 with water… but then you have the whole foaming at the mouth thing…
I do have salt. This whole thing is a ruse!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Merope, don’t throw salt in his wounds!! Though it doesn’t help that he almost did it anyways
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
That time of the month, eh?
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Burritowich
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I’m you.
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LOL
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
But I did dabble with burritowichery as a teen.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sammich is the answer to most questions.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Is my client guilty or innocent?
Sammich!
You’re right, it works.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
not bad…takes me back to mid 90’s Sunnyvale.
have a Sea Dog and some soup.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sea Dog was what I was eyeing, as well.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Marrakesh Express is a good one
As is the Abbott’s Habit.
Erik’s = yummy sammiches
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I had a spicy falafel which I wish was named after a 70’s rock group.
Still tasty though.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Did you "Take it on the Run"?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
That comes later.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
/listens to some REO Speedealer
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Which one is deep fried?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Definitely interested if he is available.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted to trade Madbum for him. LOL ME.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
We all make mistakes.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Reyes is poison, man!! like a Guillen (who ended up living fully to his reputation)
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Makes me think of this
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
And I Then I Think of This:
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll be honest, I loved that show. Up until the extra season they added on.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Forget FA signings
Just send the whole scouting staff to hang around Georgia, it seems to be rich in young studs and starts.
There’s a strong possibility that we could end up with a Jeff Francoeur signing with that strategy, though.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Neukom: What do you mean you signed DeRosa to an extension?!?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
well, when he used his flappy tendons to fly, i just had to do it
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
on the other hand, we could end up with one of these guys
(an ex-Giant!)
Camp Skinner Coot Veal…and noted A.J. Pierzynski puncher Michael Barrett.
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Massive auto-format fail. Well done, SBN, well done.
I assure you, there were line breaks between those links when I typed them. SBN BRASS!!!!
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yah yah yah, blame it on the computer that can’t defend itself :)
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
allow me to take this opportunity to point out
That Mackey Sasser was traded for Don “Caveman” Robinson, and thus, despite his Major League career never amounting to much, deserves some credit for the team’s late-90s success.
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
also, now that I check, Sasser had a pretty weird career
He was traded twice in nine months after making the majors. Then he had four seasons being an above-average hitting catcher in part-time duty with the Mets. Then, at the age of 29, the wheels fell off. He lost 37 points of OPS+ between 1991 and 1992 and then got even worse.
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One of my students on FSU’s baseball team is from Georgia!
So is Buster Posey.
I’m just saying.
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Is it Posey's brother?
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Nah, I only teach freshmen thus far.
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I went to college in New York years ago. I’m presently getting my PhD in (sigh) Tallahassee, Florida.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
In case you hadn't heard
Royce Clayton is playing Miguel Tejada in the Moneyball movie. I find this hilarious.
I hope Brian Dennehy is playing Sabes!
"You don't pick the time, the time picks you." - Brian Sabean
To be specific
I think that’s a strange decision. A lot of die-hard baseball fans know what Royce Clayton looks like, and both of them had career overlap It’d be like making a movie about Brad Pitt’s life, and have it star Johnny Depp.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Also
Royce Clayton isn’t even Latin-American! I guess this must not be a speaking role.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
When they show that part of Brad Pitt’s life when he makes that vampire movie they should have Brad Pitt play Tom Cruise.
"You don't pick the time, the time picks you." - Brian Sabean
they’re gonna blackface it? LOL
thought Royce was lighter skinned.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
in another thread, someone pointed out they could just have Miguel Tejada play Miguel Tejada
And I thought, “I don’t know – today’s Miguel Tejada is a little too old to play Miguel Tejada from the Moneyball era.”
And then I realized Royce Clayton is like five years older than Miguel Tejada.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
dude, if they use Royce Clayton, he’s gonna blackface it. And blackfacing never ends well. Except in that one Shakespeare play a long time ago
Miggy skin is waaay darker than Royce’s.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't he African-American?
It’s all right to blackface if you’re black, right? It’s like tanning.
It might be offensive if he puts on a Latin accent and prays to Jobu.
by Murray, Present on Nov 12, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
i dont remember much about Royce, but i know he sure as hell isn’t nearly as dark as Miggy. as for their respective racial backgrounds, not sure. i gotta head out right now, so ill look it up later
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
the blackface episode of Its Always Sunny was pretty good last night.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
yes, yes it was. that was actually got me on that train of thought
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
BayArea Ties
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see it.
Also, this will be Royce Clayton’s second baseball movie. He played himself in “The Rookie.”
Don't hate me...
But I’m starting to think that a 1 year deal for Podsednik wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
He’s had two straight seasons with a decent OBP.
Maybe he doesn’t continue it and he regresses… No biggie, it’s only 1 year.
The only problem I’d have with it though, is that Bochy wouldn’t understand when to stop playing him….
Buuuuut… It’s not like he’d be blocking anyone like Fred Lewis or John Bowker. Nate at the most, and I’m starting to think Nate just ain’t gonna cut it offensively, so again… No biggie.
With all that said, the Giants should only consider such a thing if many other options fail… Including Pat Burrell, and I’d add Magglio Ordonez to that as well.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 1:58 PM PST reply actions
I shouldn’t find this as funny as I do.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
That Cal edjumacation is paying off
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I think it's pretty obvious that Cody's going to be our RF.
I was talking about LF.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 12, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
well only if she is making herself available to the fans :wink wink:
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
WAR by year, 2006-present
2006: 0.0
2007: -0.1
2008: -0.4
2009: 1.8
2010: 0.2
5 years, 1.5 WAR
Nate Schierholtz has been worth 2.4 WAR in four seasons. NATE SCHIERHOLTZ. AS A BACKUP.
Yeah, it pretty much would be the worst thing ever.
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wow
I knew Pods was bad but I didnt know he was that bad. I get that he has absolutely no power at all and doesn’t really steal bases as well as he should but I always just assumed he at least played a good left field and thought the last two years of high OBP would produce better results than that. Now I REALLY hope the Dodgers bring him back.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I would rather have Brad Hawpe to be honest… He’s been a very patient hitter in the past and had some injury problems last year, but he’s been a consistent .380 OBP hitter and would be a great addition to this team. He’s still young and his defense is average… I think the Giants would be pretty smart gambling on him at his low value right now. Throw in Huff/Pena Hardy/Uribe and I feel comfortable with our offense come opening day…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Brad Hawpe’s defense is decidedly NOT average. He’s an absolute butcher out there, no matter where you put him.
Thing C
yeah
In 2009, he had the second worst UZR in the entire Major Leagues – -20.0. Only Jermaine Dye was worse. In 2008, he was MUCH worse than that – -36.0. Almost fifteen runs worse than the runner up.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
The Giants should try and win another World Series in 2011. That would be pretty cool.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
LOL wut
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 13, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
It's hard for me to really get into this offseason
because look at last year’s offseason. Breaking camp, our offense sucked so much I thought there was no way in hell we make the playoffs, let alone win the World Series.
We all just saw that Sabes actually isn’t hibernating during the season, so what’s the point in freaking out about players until the trade deadline? Our pitching isn’t going anywhere, so I’ll be happy with whatever they do.
Long live the 2010 offseason, where we run around chanting about this World Series people say we won.
One thing I think does bear watching is what happens to the shortstop position… do the Giants just put a bandaid on it with Uribe and a cheap veteran backup? Or do they go out and make a trade for someone who could be a longterm answer at the position (Stephen Drew or Jed Lowrie perhaps)?
I’m with you though, in that I don’t think a lot of the rest of the stuff Sabes does or doesn’t do will have much of a long term impact. Hopefully we re-sign Huff, but Belt is the future at 1B. 3B we basically have to wait and see how Panda looks next year. The pitching is already in place. It just seems like an offseason where most of the holes on the roster will be filled either from within or with short term signings.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
and whatever holes remain at the start of the year, I now have confidence Sabes will fill, even if the season is already underway.
I too, am intrigued at the SS position. Personally, I say resign Uribe, cause if Panda doesn’t come back, we need a 3B, and he can handle that. So either way, we need Uribe for the left side.
Huff absolutely has to come back. He signed with Burrells agency, in what i think is a move to keep the Giants from signing one and not signing the other. They know they are on the ends of their careers, so i figure some package deal for both will end up happening.
Sure, I have my offseason opinions, but they are nowhere nearly as harsh as they used to be. I was afraid we would waste this historical pitching, and we won the WS with it (or so they say…)
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants should take the whole year off, maybe go on a little trip to the Mediterranean, maybe start making cameos in James Bond flicks and old episodes of Scooby-Doo or Sonny and Cher, test the waters in Iowa for the upcoming 2012 election. They should build a new 36,000 seat yard in San Jose, invite the A’s brass over and hand them the keys, and say “we call truce. Look what we built for you!” Then blow the stadium up right in front of their eyes. Also: Pablo should lose some weight.
"You don't pick the time, the time picks you." - Brian Sabean
hey, i like the A’s. that would be mean.
youre a meanie!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
MLBTR:
Changing course from a recent statement that he would prefer to return to the Giants, Renteria told reporters in his hometown of Barranquilla, Colombia yesterday that he would like to retire playing either for the Cardinals or the Marlins (link in Spanish).
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Best of luck Rent, whatever you do. You have etched yourself forever into San Francisco lore.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Pretty obvious the Giants aren’t interested, as he originally said he wanted to come back. Good luck, Edgar, and I hope you find a team that wants you. Pretty amazing what he accomplished in SF. After two years of being ridiculed because he did nothing to justify that contract, he leaves San Francisco as a hero.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Nov 12, 2010 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
ah, the world works in funny ways. if we don’t make the playoffs, we’re all sitting here saying “good riddance, edgar” and yelling at each other over which starting pitcher we have to trade for a big bat so we can “compete” and win the WS.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
We're not saying, "Good riddance, Edgar."
We’re saying, “Time to retire, Edgar, your body is breaking. We’ll put up bronze plaques and everything, and make you a scout in Latin America.”
Edgar is sensibly looking at this as a business decision and trying to cash in on his notoriety.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I was not saying Good Riddance after what he just did for us. I was saying "if"
i know we’re not saying Good Riddance Edgar. What I meant is if we dont make the playoffs, then Edgar doesnt get his chance at redemption like he did, and we’re all saying “he came here for $20mil, spent half the time on the DL, good riddance to the time you spent with us.”
But that is because if we miss the playoffs, he never has his shot at redemption with SF. yes, he still has a great career, one of the most likeable players out there.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Why the Cardinals?
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
Was in the WS for them as well.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 13, 2010 1:45 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think the Marlins are very sentimental about the 1997 championship, as they have a different owner. Maybe he can to work for him at Blockbuster.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Nov 12, 2010 2:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt they were even sentimental about it at the the time, as they traded away from every played about five seconds after the Series ended.
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lol i just said the same thing below before reading your comment.
I remember as a kid, I was 13 when they won the ’97 Series, and watched them destroy the team right after the WS win, and I literally almost lost faith in playing baseball.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
sentimental? they assembled the ’97 and ’03 teams solely to win a WS, they blew them up.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
The 2003 team was largely home-grown.
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home-grown from the players they got for blowing up their ’97 team, though, right?
didnt they blow up the ’03 team after the WS too, though? Im not too sharp on Marlins history
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
they actually are going to be changing their name in a year!
But it’s to the Miami Marlins.
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JUST LIKE "BACK TO THE FUTURE 2" SAID!
/not at all true
"You don't pick the time, the time picks you." - Brian Sabean
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i like Florida Marlins, not so much Miami, bleh.
They think changing their name, a la California Angels, will make them win more
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
I’m in favor of it. Temas should be named after cities, not states – especially when there’s another team in the state.
I’d prefer St. Petersburg Rays to Tampa Bay Rays, for that matter.
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Also, they’re changing their name as part of an agreement with the City of Miami that got them public funding for their new park.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
the city paying should have the team named after it, no doubt
crooks!! publically funded stadiums!!
we have a WS trophy AND a park we paid for ourselves. for the record, i like the Tampa Bay Rays a whole lot more than any of the alts.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
and
the local team was the Miami Marlins during the 50s.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
Weird. The Red Sox acquired Andrew Miller from the Marlins for Dustin Miller. Coming out of college, I always thought Miller would be very good.
lol me
Ask me about my blog.
so much agreeance
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Also, man, I was sure hoping he'd fall to the Giants at #10.
COME ON SABES TRADE UP AND GET HIM WHAT THE HELL?
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 12, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Kershaw’s the best of the lot.
On the hitting side, though, Drew Stubbs had a pretty decent year!
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lol
trade up
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I remember you wanting Kyle Drabek that year.
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HE’S MAJOR LEAGUE READY NOW WHAT R U DOIN WITH THIS BAUMGARDNER SHIT SABES????
I wasn’t really following stuff carefully enough to have real opinions on the draft that year…but I was pretty pissed when they drafted TWO high school pitchers. And then relieved when they finally got a hitter in Wendell Fairley.
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That was the only time I’ve had a draft day freakout, and I wasn’t posting on MCC regularly until a few months later. :(
I did just notice that, in their minor league debuts, Tyler Holt did a lot better than Gary Brown. OMG SABES!!!!!
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I still don’t really like the Brown pick!
/checks this next year when Brown is hitting .330 for the Giants in the majors
Ask me about my blog.
I didn’t like it either. Or Jarrett Parker, who I saw play against FSU and who struck out like four times. But I didn’t freak out about either.
Actually, when I’ve seen Tyler Holt play, he was a lot better than Parker was when I saw him…and Holt went in the 10th round. :(
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Posey is the only position players that Sabean has ever drafted that can truly hit.
We need a different draft guy since we don’t need pitchers for awhile. or something needs to change, need someone who can evaluate hitters a whole lot better. Drafting 3 great hitters over 25 years isn’t skill.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Umm, Belt
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Belt just popped onto the radar fast
Remember Belt didnt start hitting until last year, after he reworked his swing. It’s not like he was drafted swinging the bat the same way he is now.
I think Sabes got lucky on that one.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
or maybe
he drafted a guy that the scouting department thought they could “fix”? Come on, man, credit where it’s due. Belt is probably the most impressive pick Sabean has made in years
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
i hope so. i dont know much about drafting, but i dont think you draft guys that you hope you can “fix”. you draft guys that can already do it.
but i wont rag on Sabes anymore- he brought us a World Championship
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
I like Parker more than Brown
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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I'm still into Bryce Brentz over Gary Brown
But we’ll see
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Me too
I was meh on Brentz going into the draft, but that was considerably higher than what I thought of Brown
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Weren't the Giants linked to his UNC teammate Daniel Bard?
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Smart front office interested in likely-to-be-undervalued player!
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
fwiw
Berkman was on record several years ago as despising San Francisco. Hated the city, hated the ballpark, hated the weather (because it totally makes sense for someone from as great a city and climate as Waco, Texas to criticize anyone on those fronts!).
Maybe he likes the Coliseum better or something.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Maybe he can’t be so picky now.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
since we're talking about it, though...
Circa 2001 or 2002, I remember some rosterbation on alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants where a guy projected a Giants’ lineup a few years in the then-future that included Vladimir Guerrero AND Lance Berkman.
I guess we didn’t go in that direction.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Lance moved on to Carlos Lee’s Texas Ranch? ;-)
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Geez...
Is the A’s picking up everyone…seems kinda of desperate to me after the Giants won the WS…
Giants won the WS…it has a nice ring to it.
I’m annoyed that it took the Giants winning the World Series to get the A’s off its ass when it comes to free agency. Then again, they did sign Sheets and Coco Crisp last offseason, and those were kinda splashy moves, and traded for Kouzmanoff. Sounds like they’re following the exact same pattern this year.
It’s seem different this year with the A’s…I think there is some sense of urgency because the A’s wants to go to SJ…if the A’s continue to be average and Giants good to excellent…SJ is gone…
Anything that gets Wolff off his ass and taking responsibility for the franchise
Rather than just marketing the “waah-waah the Giants are snobs” line, is a good thing.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I read his interview on AN…I don’t buy the A’s can’t make it in Oakland thing…I don’t see anything wrong with developing near Jack London Square…
Also that whole Fremont thing was hilarious…Wolfe is bitter because his land speculation didn’t work out…
A’s did pretty well in Oakland in the late ’80s/early ’90s and again in the late ’90s/early ’00s. There must be space for a stadium somewhere.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
What is the problem, is what I don’t know. Is it that Oakland refuses to pay for a stadium? That Wolff refuses to finance one privately? That there is no land available?
You know how the rule was “different city = old titles don’t count” that certain people may have bandied about regarding certain franchises prior to november 1 2010 …?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
It's all about land development and making it pay for Wolff
So far the Oakland sites haven’t been the payoff Wolff wants.
Locations floated in recent years have been “Old Oakland” area near the foot of Broadway, and recently in the Jack London Square area.
Location and access matter too. Being right at mass transit and the freeway matters now. His proposed site in San Jose is right at the growing Didion station which is likely to have every kind of rail connected to it in the coming years. Plus he’d have a site he could do all kinds of paying development on.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
As I recall, the Fremont site was miles and miles away from BART access.
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
But that had lots of land to develop
Acreage makes up for many deficiencies. Acreage means having lots of parking spaces.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Plus, the BART Warm Springs extension is going right by there
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
So he doesn't really care about the A's?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Remember poor Bob Lurie
He loved the team. In the end the financial losses almost ruined him.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
as far as I’m concerned, he saved Giants baseball in San Francisco. hats off to him
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
the whole interview really came across as bitter griping
listen, as you should’ve known when you bought the A’s, the Giants are currently in a better position than you. They built a pretty cool stadium. Cry about it all you want, but that doesn’t mean you’re owed one.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sympathetic to Wolff
He’s not saying that he’s “owed” a stadium – in fact, he wants to build one with private money. But the City of Oakland is screwing him by basically saying he can’t stay, and the Giants are screwing him by saying he can’t move anywhere.
I say let them build in San Jose.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
When did Oakland say they can’t stay? I’ve often heard talk of some sort of Jack London Square ballpark. It’s just never worked out.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Though Oakland is gunshy on stadium deals for sure, after the whole Raiders-Coliseum mess.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
You're right, I misremembered.
But Wolff’s essential point is that there just aren’t enough people to go to A’s games. He doesn’t want to build in Oakland because even with a new park he won’t be able to generate the necessary revenue. San Jose is bigger, he could be a one-market team, etc. I say good riddance.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Does San Jose really count as another MARKET? I dunno.
And for what it’s worth, while San Jose is bigger than Oakland, the East Bay is a good deal bigger than San Francisco. Unfortunately for the A’s, there are (at least in my experience) at least as many Giants fans as A’s fans in the East Bay.
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
No, it's not another market.
which is why it’s the Giant’s territorial area. Which is what’s stopping Wolff. It’s been too long and I can’t remember how Charley Finley managed to weasel his way into the Giant’s territorial area back in 1968. It was something high handed by Charley as I recall, and Baseball was legally weaker in those days.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
SAN JOSE IS THE MAJOR CITY OF THE BAY AREA
I just want to see if troy is listening.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I say NO. Fuck them. The South Bay and the Peninsula are Giants territory.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
Wolff wants to keep them in Cali.
Would we all have been happy if the Giants had been run out of the state?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
They did try to move to both Toronto and St. Petersburg, y’know.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I'm just going off his interview at AN
I don’t want to own a team outside of the Bay Area or outside of California. So if the Commissioner says to us, ‘Sorry I can’t do anything for you.’ Then I don’t know what we’ll do.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I meant the Giants tried to move to those cities.
It’s not actually relevant to the discussion, but it’s a FunFact!
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Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I just don’t want them anywhere near Sacramento. I already get f-ing Hockey preempted anytime the damn Kings are playing at the same time as the Sharks. If I get forced to watch the A’s…… there WILL be bloodshed.
I know, but everytime this discussion comes up somebody suggests they move into the Rivercats stadium.
/raises hand
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
well, it was designed to be expandable...
Good news though! Since the economy still stinks in CA they pretty much can’t finance one wherever they put it. SAC is probably worst of all, assuming the $25B state budget shortfall means more furloughs/layoffs/reductions of public employees.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
don’t the A’s and Giants play on different CSN channels? A’s are on CSNCA, Giants on CSNBA?
so how do the A’s get preemted?
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Merope is in SAC
so that would be an area for blackout of CSN broadcasts of teams from other areas.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 5:27 AM PST up reply actions
That’s the wrong question. What you should ask is if A’s fans would have been happy to see the Giants move out of the state. And I say the answer to that is Yes.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dissolve the Royals franchise and move the A's back there.
Then dissolve the Pirates and move the Rays into that beautiful Pittsburgh ballpark. Both teams have nice stadia to play in and there are two fewer teams to worry about, both of which were total losers at the ticketbooths.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 13, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
I claim Andrew McClutchen from PIT!!
And Greike from KC
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
Too much history with the Pirate organization to dissolve them in favor, of all teams, the Rays – imho
Pirates have a great ballpark and terrible, greedy owners. They are one of the most profitable and poorly run orgs out there.
I’m rooting for them to turn it around, they are in the NL Central after all….
I like the idea of the Athletics returning to KC though – we could send the Dbacks or the Rockies to the AL West! ;-)
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
send the Rockies. their fans are annoying as shit
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
this is how I feel
Let them build in Fremont, Oakland, or anywhere else off the peninsula they want. But it’s really asinine of them to suggest that somehow the Giants are being greedy by trying to keep the A’s out of San Jose. Trust me, if the situations were reversed, the A’s would be doing the exact same thing.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
The situation WAS reversed. Oakland had territorial rights to San Jose first. Oakland granted the Giants territorial rights to explore the idea of building a ball park in San Jose. Now that the Giants have their own ball park in San Francisco, they don’t want to give up the area that was granted to them by Oakland.
the game wasn't what it is now
back then, it was more about butts in the seats than TV contracts, today it’s reversed. And San Jose wasn’t the economic powerhouse in the region it is now. Totally different situations.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention the fact that the south bay is Giants territory, not in the MLB legal sense, but in the sense that people in Santa Clara County tend to identify more as Giants fans (In my experience anyway. It could be that my acquaintances are self selecting for Giants fans.). There are a strong contingent of season ticket holders from the South Bay. And the San Jose Giants are there and have been since 1988.
It is not an organically A’s friendly area nor does it have a history of supporting the A’s. This is why the A’s were willing to give up that market – because it wasn’t really theirs to begin with.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
according to MLB mapping, it was theirs (A’s) to begin with, so whether people in the area identified themselves one way or another, it was still A’s territory.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants were here before the A’s moved from KC in 1968. It was all the Giants’ to begin with..
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 13, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
this is true in my experience as well
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
I grew up in SC County
Giants/As fans are about 70/30. It definitely felt like Giants territory to me.
I won't argue the TV contract part you just brought up, though it has never fared well for the A's, but all in all kind of negligible. Neither here nor there.
San Jose has been an economic powerhouse for well over twenty years, and in the same time line as when territorial rights were exchanged by Oakland and San Francisco.
Not really ‘totally different situations’. The end result for the Giants is in not wanting to lose corporate money/luxury boxes/season tickets or as you put it “butts in the seats”.
You don’t need to wait until next year to see Money ball…the Giants are now playing it right now with Oakland. It will take a load…an elephant ass full of money to exchange hands before San Francisco gives up its imaginary line in the concrete.
Anyone posted this yet?
In anticipation of the meetings, ESPN.com polled 17 general managers, assistant GMs, personnel people and scouts on eight high-profile questions that will make news this offseason. The executives all spoke on the condition of anonymity. Here are the results of the survey:
If you had an outfield opening, which guy would you take: Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth?
Responses: Crawford 12; Werth 5.
…
Crawford backers point out that he and Evan Longoria were the focal points of the Tampa offense while Werth had the luxury of sliding into a star-studded lineup led by Ryan Howard and Chase Utley in Philadelphia. Werth also has benefited from playing in hitter-friendly Citizens Bank Park, and everybody knows what the move from Philadelphia to San Francisco did to Aaron Rowand’s production.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove10/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=5795452
Actually, one of Rowand’s two years in Philadelphia was worse than two of his three years in San Francisco…but facts are stupid things.
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WHO NEEDS FACTS WHEN YOUVE GOT OPINIONS??!?!
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
The whole he hit in a better lineup argument is silly.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
So Are His Eyes
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
they belong in a museum!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds About Right
But they only need to state one difference. Crawford’s younger.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I was just watching the ending of Rounders
Why was Teddy so excited before he made his last bet?…I mean if the ace didn’t help Mike…he would just fold…it still look like he had a pretty big stack…
it still look like he had a pretty big stack…
ahem!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Spoiler alert
Thanks man.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Nov 13, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions
OT: But Why is This Photo So Awkward!?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 12, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions
Because it's a wedding photo
Wait until it’s your turn. I had to change my shirt twice.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
yeah, wait til you try it. i was shaking like a hamster wheel with the hamster running in it.
Divorce came 1.5 years later. Worth every penny to get rid of that b*tch.
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
that b*tch, as in Pam, my ex wife. and i was only 23!!
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm being sued by my ex-wife.
I made a tasteless remark. She was walking on the Upper East Side of Manhattan and she was violated. That’s how they put it in the paper. She was “violated.” So they called me for comment. I said, “knowing my ex-wife it must not have been a moving violation.”
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 12, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
when someone asks you for a comment, the best comment is usually no comment.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:47 AM PST up reply actions
i might have thought i was a hamster at some point in those 1.5 years.
/wimmen mind tricks
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
nah, im not bitter. my ex just got married… again. she’s 25 now, working on her 2nd marriage and ive heard its already on the rocks.
LOLFAIL
by giant4life83 on Nov 12, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, laughing at your ex’s failed marriage is a sure sign you’re not bitter.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
she was remarried 18 days after our divorce was final.
so yeah, thats funny. i couldnt care less- we’ve been done for years
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions
Are those Posey’s brothers? Sign them now!
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 13, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions
I’m going to dinner then to see that new Denzel Washington movie (the train movie- i used to love trains as a kid) with the gf, catch ya’ll later.
Curious how that is. Have fun!
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 12, 2010 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
that movie Unstoppable was SICK. I’m one of those “disaster” movie fans, so i was happy with it.
we saw RED last weekend, freakin hilarious. Anyone looking for a good movie to see, go see that. John Malkovich is a riot, Bruce Willis is good with comedies, supporting cast was sweet.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
I really enjoyed Unstoppable too. Tense as hell.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
you know that was based on a real movie? i was kinda surprised at first, then i realized there are probably people stupid enough to say “air brake hose is disconnected? nah, we’ll hook it up after we drive the train for a bit”.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
lol my bad. obviously i meant it was based on a real story i mean movie i…i….i…dammit
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I couldn’t get over how stupid they were at the beginning of the movie.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
i nominate that film for some sort of award based on the fact that they showed the “true stupidity” of the average american male.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Except...
IRL, a train won’t move if the brake hose is disconnected. Positive pressure in the air brakes is required in order to force the brakes to release.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 14, 2010 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
I can't stop thinking about Adrian Gonzalez
J.SANCHEZ FOR GONZALEZ
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Ugh. No Dirty within the division. PLEASE.
(not like the Padres would trande Gonzalez in the division….I hope)
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 12, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if they threw in that Kevin Correia guy...he's pretty solid...
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
for one year of Gonzalez?
I dunno… I’d rather just keep Sanchez and pursue Gonzalez on the open market if we’re really interested. And then again, we’ve got this Belt fellow to consider…
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Belt being a lefty is a sweet setup. Last thing we need is more RH hitters
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yay!
The Arizona Diamondbacks and San Francisco Giants will not be opening the 2011 regular season in Taiwan after all.
I know some people were looking forward to this maybe happening, but west coast teams do enough damn traveling during the season. Let some east coast bias team go!
I think it’s a little more like somewhere he’s throwing things.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 12, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
OMG
I just remembered, that I forgot, that jctgamer and jcb9 are different people … AGAIN.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
meh
I would like them to do something like that some year. But the timing doesn’t seem right at the moment. We just won the division on the last day of the season, we’re looking to repeat as champs, and the Rockies scare me very much. Oh, and we just finished a season on NOVEMBER 1st. Let someone else do it this year.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 12, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Devastating news on my birthday
:(
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
sorry for you
but hooray for the Giants. They need to have these kinds of games be exhibitions.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
MLB should fix the schedule so the opening pitch of the 2011 season is thrown by Tim Lincecum, at AT&T. Anything else is morally wrong.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 12, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
Opening game will be in Dodger Stadium
Here’s the article with the Taiwan news and the opening day:
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"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Good
It was a craptastic idea from the very start.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 12, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yes! (sorry JCT)
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 13, 2010 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
the one time i went to japan..
going from the States to East Asia (at least for me) ruined me for 1.5 weeks. My sleep was all screwed up, blah. Glad they don’t have to deal with that, and deal with baseball.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
No Lie. The League makes the schedule though.
Snicker, maybe we can flood the Latrine with Giants fans.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
AFL update
Belt 2-4 with a triple and a single.
Culberson 2-4, double and a single.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
is Runzler being groomed as a starter in the AFL?
What’s up with Culberson? when might we expect him?
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
If he keeps hitting maybe a Sept. Call up
Otherwise Mid/late 2012 at the earliest
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by Gobroks on Nov 13, 2010 2:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
that’d be sweet to get him up to The Show (provided he is still raking) to get him some pennact race experience.
If he’s totally tearing up AAA, shit, I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing him up just before Sept so he’s eligible for you-know-what, if necessary. He’s a 2B, right?
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:23 AM PST up reply actions
If he keeps hitting like this in the Eastern League
I will be very surprised and very excited.
Another triple?
Who needs Crawford when you’ve got Belt?
BELT!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions
i can already see all the lame “Cain is Able” and “Belt Belts Ball” or whatever gimmick they’re gonna use. I would look forward to it, because that would mean good things.
Who’s got the best gimmick for Belt? ‘Belted’ Giants take lead on Brandon Belts late inning HR…
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers Belted in Extra Innings
has a decent ring
Giants Notch Another Win Under Their Belt (metaphor is mixed, but I can still imagine ESPN using it)
Cain is Able: Brandon Belts Two HR as Giants Win
I could see that
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
im not opposed to seeing these types of headlines
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
With all the Caining and Belting
They should open the season in Singapore…
“Belt, Buster Batter Braves” would also be good.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 14, 2010 7:13 AM PST up reply actions
I like turtles
What if players got paid after the season based on their results? What kind of world would that be like?
It would be one in which the Player’s Union sued the hell out of every team every year.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 12, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
it would be a world in which the is no professional baseball. they wouldnt get past step 1 of negotiations.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 12:58 AM PST up reply actions
Just pondering
What kind of roster could we assemble if we used nothing but players under control next year? No FAs? Would probably look something like
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Belt 1B
Ross RF
Sandoval 3B
Fontenot SS
DeRosa LF
Bench: Rowand, Whiteside, Rohlinger, Ishikawa, Schierholtz
That’d be my best guess.
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I went and looked it up
Rohlinger actually had a quietly very good year – put up a .900 OPS in the minors, and we know he can play good defense at all three IF positions.
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he can play good defense at all three IF positions.
I wasn’t sure about how good he was defensively at SS, but if he can be plus there, that really improves our depth
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If Rohlinger can play SS well,
we should stop looking to sign one. But is that true? Everything I’ve heard is that he’s a terrific 3B, but hasn’t played much 2B and is sort of Fontenot-like at SS, in that he’s okay for a day or two, but you really don’t want him there long-term.
by Monkeyking42 on Nov 13, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
This is why we really really need a FA shortstop or a trade.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
yeah Uribe is essential to get back. And since Huff will 99% come back to defend his title, and Burrell has said he doesn’t mind being a bench player/part timer, he may come cheap.
I could do with just Huff, Uribe, and Burrell being resigned. Maybe Renteria too.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions
Mandatory Rosterbation:
CF: Torres
2B: Sanchez
C: Posey
LF: Uggla (5, $50)
1B: Pena (2, $10)
RF: Ross
3B: Sandoval
SS: Hardy
a man can dream, right?
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
why dream about Pena? a guy who hits under .200? 99% that Huff comes back, then there’s Ish. and Belt.
I like the JJ Hardy idea, he may only cost what Uribe costs, but Uribe, IMO, is the better option.
And Uggla isn’t a FA yet- FLA is just trying to big time lowball him into a 4 year deal. I say that because part of their offer includes his final arb year. If he waits til 2011 offseason, he’ll get that 5/50.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:11 AM PST up reply actions
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Uggla was a July rental for the Giants, particularly if either Belt doesn’t start well or we get injuries. With the Ross connection, plus a likely like of home run threat (Huff, Uribe and Burrell ranked 1, 2 and 3= in HR, and they probably won’t all come back).
After that, we could sign whichever of Sanchez/Uggla is better value. We may even get a discount on Uggla if he thinks being on a contending team with his best friend would be pretty awesome.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 13, 2010 4:01 AM PST up reply actions
no
Panda for one year of Uggla would be absurd
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Uggla is consistent. 25-30 HR's. Uggla could play 3rd, probably better than Panda.
The promise of Panda is wearing a tad thin. Yeah, he could go back to being the Panda of two years ago, but I’m starting to think the Panda of last year is really closer to what you can expect from him in going forward.
If Uggla were to play 3rd base for the Giants and Huff could be re-signed to play LF, the idea of a lineup including Huff, Posey, Uggla, Ross and Belt would be incredibly awesome. I would give up Panda and his 50-50 chance of becoming an impact player for one year of the promise of that line up.
you dont give up on a 23 year old for a 30 year old. esp when that 23 yrd old has shown flashes of great promise
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps so, but to get a 30 year old who has put up five years of 30 hr's and 90 rbi would look real good in our lineup.
Uggla will be going somewhere this year, either before the season or by July when the Marlins fall back of ATL/PHIL in the standings. Maybe he goes LA or COL, who knows? But I’d love to see him in our lineup with the thought that we could sign him up for extended years.
With Pablo’s lack of discipline at the plate and his non committal off season work out regimen…I don’t know, Pablo might be regressing at the ripe young age of 23?
I can’t see the Giants repeating as division winners without upgrading, and I mean a significant upgrading of the offense. Uggla would be a key piece of that upgrade. If Pablo can knock in 25+ home runs and not be a defensive liability at 3rd base, then yeah, it would be worth it to keep him. I just don’t see Pablo as being able to come back next spring as the Giants offensive answer. It’s a big bet…not a big bat.
nah
panda might still have that 2009 form in him somewhere. they wont give up on him til he’s out of arb years
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
lowball ?
I read that Uggla rejected 4 yrs- $48 mill. Seems pretty fair to me.
by giantdonkey on Nov 13, 2010 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
No
That deal would have bought out his last arb year, in which he’ll probably make ~10 million, so they really offered him a 3/38 FA deal.
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no... recently
this dated 11/8/2010 by Rosenthal
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Dan-Uggla-turns-down-Florida-Marlins-contract-offer-110810
by giantdonkey on Nov 13, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
That confirms what GiantPain said.
Rosenthal:
A four-year deal for Uggla would amount to a three-year extension on top of his final year of arbitration, making him a free agent at 34. Uggla likely would seek at least a five-year contract as a free agent after next season, delaying his next deal to 36.
yeah… thats what i was saying originally, lol
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Hardy would be far cheaper than Uribe… Uribe is looking for a big deal and a lot of teams seem interested in giving it to him…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
define "cheaper"
We would have to give up prospects to get Hardy.
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He’s a non-tender candidate. I would want him based purely on the fact that he’s not tendered, if he is, we should look elsewhere.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
and if we get Hardy, we need to upgrade someone else to offset the offensive output that we lose from Uribe
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Hardy’s a better defender. It’s pretty much a wash in the end, and Hardy still has the potential to rebound as a hitter.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
it may very well be a wash in terms of fielding runs saved vs Uribes output on paper, but remember we arent an ordinary team. Offense is still our biggest issue- not to mention Uribe has carried the team at times, that is not something Hardy is capable of.
I dunno, man. On paper, it may be a good deal, but I’d rather have Uribe. Our pitching is so good already that they can work around the occasional error or single that Uribe couldn’t get to. I’d rather take all the offense we can get at this time (though the lack of offense isn’t like 2009 bad, still needs improving)
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
Runz is runz.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
so Hardy will save 50 runs over Uribe? cause that’s what the offensive difference looks to be.
the Giants struggle to score runs. we go into the 9th inning of games still locked at 0-0 a lot more than others. I don’t know why we’d take our chances downgrading. We were just starting to have a league average offense.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
in 2010
Fangraphs has J.J. Hardy as 2.4 WAR and 23.0 RAR. -2.0 on offense, 8.1 on defense.
Uribe: 3.2 WAR, 31.1 RAR, 0.2 offense, 6.8 fielding.
The difference in WAR is largely because Uribe played a lot more. Also, Uribe’s defensive numbers are probably due for regression. While he’s almost always been above average defensively, 6.8 is better than anything he’s done since 2006. 2007-2009, his UZR had been 1.7, -0.1, and 3.1. Hardy’s UZR was a little bit better than expected, but not unreasonable.
I think the main arguments for Hardy, though, are that he’s 3.5 years younger than Uribe and, if non-tendered, I’m guessing he’d be cheaper.
For what it’s worth, though, Bill James has Hardy projected as a better hitter than Uribe in 2011.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
good info, thanks. hmm… I don’t know that I’m sold on Hardy over Uribe. I know clutch isn’t a stat, but damn, Uribe sure does pick the right moments, hahaha.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Says who? He’s often been mentioned as a potential non-tender candidate.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
Not sure. Google tells me it was in mid-December last year, but doesn’t reveal what it is this season.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
that makes no sense to me.
my only thought would be that they hide the date to help the FA market, so teams sign who they want instead of waiting out non-tender guys, only problem with that is the teams have their own people to non-tender, so they already know the date.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure it’s out there. I’m just not looking in the right place or something.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
oh ok, thought you meant they hide it from the public. it cant be that hard to find, ill look
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
DEC 2 is tender/non-tender date. 5th paragraph down
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think a 260 hitter with a constantly declining line drive rate is a lock to be tendered at around 6 MM…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Who do the twins have to replace him?
Even if the Twins don’t want Hardy as their opening day SS, I bet they’ll tender him a contract and then try to trade him. The FA market for SS is so weak.
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with a constantly declining line drive rate
Actually, his LD% in 2010 was the highest it’s been since 2007…
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
I think with the money Huff wants, Pena would be a lot cheaper and have a pretty good upside as well. He still gets on base well, just strikes out a ton. He would be a better version of Burrell
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Problem I have with Pena is that he only plays 1B. A big allure of Huff is that he provides positional flexibility, especially when we bring Brandon Belt up.
Sure, but apparently they’re giving Belt time in LF in the AFL/AAA… plus if Belt’s ready, bench Pena?
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Belt has been playing 1B in the AFL. I didn’t hear good word from people who saw him in the OF at the end of the season, and word from the Giants brass was that the experiment was over for the time being. Fla-Giant probably can say more about it, but I don’t get the impression that he’s going to stick anywhere other than 1B.
I also don’t see the point in giving money to Peña if the plan is the eventually bench him. Huff will probably be cheaper anyway.
I don’t think there’s any way Huff doesn’t get resigned, either. He locked up with Pats agency, so I think we’re gonna see a package deal for both of them.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
nightmare fuel
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I guess the real question is...
What do we have to give up to get Stephen Drew? Wheeler + Neal + Adrianza?
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
CF: Torres
2b: Sanchy
C: Posey
1b: Huff
SS: Uggla
RF: Ross
3b: Sandoval
LF: Burrell
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Nov 13, 2010 1:57 AM PST up reply actions
i dont think Uggla is a SS material, at all. He barely covers his range at 2B. That would be a dropoff in range from even Uribe. Where’s Belt, my soul brotha?
This would be my lineup/bench/roster:
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Sandoval 3B
Huff LF
Ross RF
Belt 1B
Uribe SS
Now that’s a mighty damn good lineup (provided a .290/.350/.500 line on Pablo). Bottom 3 slots of Ross, Belt and Uribe can cycle around based on the ‘hot hand’.
Burrell (utility OF) can spell Ross or Huff or Belt (by moving Huff to 1st) to give each of them an off day regularly.
Renteria (utility SS) can spell Uribe as needed, and Renteria can spell Pablo (by moving Uribe to 3rd).
DeRosa (utility IF) is super-utility, and spells 2B, 3B, LF, RF.
Whiteside should be replaced with a better option, but not a priority.
Would need one more position player, a good PH, preferably OF. Comes down to Nate or Ish.
12 P, 5 starters, 7 relief (Runzler long man-middle relief to work on endurance for starting)
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:36 AM PST up reply actions
LOL
I just listened to the Game 4 post game. How did I not know Matt Cain dressed up as a whoopy cushion before Game 4?
Freddy can play 3B, right?
Giants need to trade for Uggla. Uribe won’t come cheap and if Huff really decides against re-signing, Belt can fill that void.
We have a third baseman
What you should be asking is if Freddy can play shortstop. Then you could do something like.
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Who? Pablo?
Pablo may never regain his stroke for all we know. I don’t think Freddy can handle SS. Either trade/sign a cheap SS or let Crawford have at it if he has a good ST.
Replace “Pablo” “Aubrey Huff after 2009” in your first sentence.
Pablo was basically a LEAGUE AVERAGE 3B this year – it only felt like he sucked because he had been so good. Benching him would be stupid.
There are no cheap SS’s who you want on the market. And why give up prospects in a trade?
And for the last time, BRANDON CRAWFORD HAS A MINOR LEAGUE OPS OF .729! HE IS NOT READY FOR THE MAJORS. AT ALL.
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So much this
Pablo had one “bad” year. It’s stupid to write him off.
And I don’t know why people believe in Crawford. It mystifies me.
How about a Pablo for Rasmus trade? Anyone object to that? We might have to throw in another prospect or 2…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
pablo and bumgarner probably gets rasmus
not much less.
it wouldn't take both of them
but it would probably take more than either Pablo or Rasmus individually. And not just a non-prospect either. Belt is pretty much off the table, but Wheeler and Pablo or Wheeler and MadBum might work. I wouldn’t do either of those deals, though, and I really like Colby
(and really, I’m not sure the Cardinals would want Pablo. If he can’t play 3B they really wouldn’t have anywhere to put him)
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
They have Freese who is actually pretty good, but injury prone and power starved he is, so they would be able to upgrade the position a little bit. I’ll thinking Pablo + another hitting prospect should be enough to do it… nows the time where I wish we still had Scott Barnes…
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
Padres, Marlins Discussing Cameron Maybin
By Mike Axisa [November 13 at 11:54am CST]
The Padres and Marlins are discussing a trade involving Cameron Maybin, tweets MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro. It is unclear who or if any other players are involved in the discussions.
Maybin, still just 23, has yet to establish himself in the big leagues after coming over in the Miguel Cabrera-Dontrelle Willis trade in December 2007. He’s a .246/.313/.380 career hitter in 610 plate appearances, mostly with the Marlins. UZR loves his defense in center, rating him at +5.1 at the position for his career.
Maybin is out of options, so he will need to clear waivers to go to the minors starting next season. He does have four years of team control remaining, however. Florida traded Andrew Miller, the other key piece they received in the Cabrera-Willis deal, to the Red Sox yesterday.
Every day it seems more and more likely Uribe is gone
ESPN’s Buster Olney expects the Cardinals to aggressively pursue Juan Uribe since they could use him at pretty much any of their non-first base infield positions
This needs to be shopped with a cane in one hand and top hat in the other.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Yep.
For my own selfish reasons I’d much rather see him get a fat deal on an AL team as opposed to watching another great SF Giant slugger put on the redbird suit.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorta with you here.
If Uribe ain’t gonna be on the Giants, I just don’t want to even see him anymore.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 13, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I can't imagine this team without Jazz Hands
He's not retired...THANK YOU!
Would any of us really give Uribe a 3yr -$24 million deal, as speculated by an ESPN analyst that he might get ? Pass.
by giantdonkey on Nov 13, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Even that scares me. Good for him, though.
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 13, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Seriously.
Dude came here on a minor league deal and played his way into a multi-year, 8-digit contract.
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I'd do that
Fangraphs has him being worth over 10 million the past two years, and it’s not like he’s that old.
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I could totally see St. Louis making uroibe that offer.
TLR would play him all over the infield and make him the 2011(better) version of Felipe Lopez.
by giantdonkey on Nov 13, 2010 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Felipe Lopez?
Ex-Giants player and manager Felipe Lopez, or a different Felipe Lopez?
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
Felipe Alou ?
… otherwise, I don’t recall of another Giants manager named Felipe.
by giantdonkey on Nov 13, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
No, it was an obscure reference to an MLB network guy referring to Alou as Felipe Lopez on one of the (I think) NLDS broadcasts.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Greg Amsinger. Idiot.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for the details
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
ok
I almost felt like asking for some rope as i was typing.
There has been at least one other Giants player named Felipe, though – that being Felipe Crespo. Who holds the distinction of being the first player besides Barry to get multiple splash hits.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
The problem is the shortstop market is just barren this year. If you don’t get Uribe, and can’t make a trade, you’re basically looking at Cesar Izturis or the equivalent.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not even giving a passing thought to rosterbation right now. I’ve never been much of a rosterbater anyways, but especially not now because I just want to enjoy the victory.
by In Bust we Trust on Nov 13, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12874837&topic_id=14872818&c_id=sf
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Same here
My wife and I just keep watching recorded games over and over. Funny thing is, I still get a little nervous during the dramatic moments. LOL me.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
“Wow. Can’t believe they got outta that”
-things I still say when watching the NLCS Game 6
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Maybin continues to suck.
Marlins Discussing Maybin With Padres, Royals
By Mike Axisa [November 13 at 2:09pm CST]
2:09pm: Maybin will be traded and a deal with the Padres is getting close, a source tells Jeff Passan of Yahoo
i feel this way
it’s a good strategy for them, IMO. When Gonzalez leaves after this year that’s going to be a terrible, terrible team, offensively. They need to roll the dice on Maybin and probably another couple of buy low prospects and hope that they get lucky on a couple of them.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
esp the Padres. that pixie dust held us captive for so long
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’d be okay with this if they traded a few of their big league arms for him…Please?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 13, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
knowing the Marlins
they probably want prospects/cheap youngsters. Who are the Padres top minor league arms?
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
And it's done
2:54pm: The Padres have acquired Maybin from the Marlins, pending a physical, reports Tom Krasovic of Fanhouse
I heard it’s for Ryan Webb.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
Suck it Padres Bullpen
The Padres have reached agreement on a trade with the Marlins for Cameron Maybin, according to Tom Krasovic of Fanhouse (via Twitter). The Marlins will receive relievers Ryan Webb and Edward Mujica in exchange for the center fielder, Krasovic tweets.
you know how difficult bullpen performances are to repeat on a year-to-year basis? considering that was the Padres strength, it does not bode well for them
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
true
but we’re talking about the Padres here. They grow young productive relievers like weeds.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 13, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
those damn funky gardeners, growing relievers…
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty much convinced at this point that at some time a member of the Padres organization dug up an old genie bottle. They didn’t know they only had one wish, and they were all “I want an endless supply of good relievers!” Then when they went on to wish for good hitters and good pitchers, they were told the 3 wish thing was a myth.
So at first they were all “Crap, why did we wish for relievers first?” And then Kevin Towers was all, “I know how to handle this guys.”
And they’ve been trading their genie-aided relievers for other people good players ever since. And of course, when they get to the other team, the relievers no longer have the magical genie powers helping them, and they turn into normal bullpen arms.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
trying to rebuild… every year, lol. no wonder they have no fans
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
off-topic, but
I was just looking at the all-time leaders in career WAR on Fangraphs. For all that advanced stats have changed our understanding of measuring players, I’m struck by how much the WAR leader board jives with traditional understanding. Here’s the top 25:
1) Babe Ruth
2) Barry Bonds
3) Ty Cobb
4) Willie Mays
5) Hank Aaron
6) Honus Wagner
7) Tris Speaker
8) Ted Williams
9) Stan Musial
10) Rogers Hornsby
11) Eddie Collins
12) Lou Gehrig
13) Mickey Mantle
14) Frank Robinson
15) Mel Ott
16) Rickey Henderson
17) Jimmie Foxx
18) Mike Schmidt
19) Carl Yastrzemski
20) Nap Lajoie
21) Joe Morgan
22) Alex Rodriguez
23) Eddie Matthews
24) Al Kaline
25) Cal Ripken Jr.
There are a couple of mild surprises for me – I would’ve expected Ted Williams in the top 5, and Joe DiMaggio in the top 20 or (he’s #28 – but then, he did have a relatively short career).
Also, only one active player. Pujols will probably break the top 25 in the next few years, though.
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wrong
technically, Bonds is still an active player. Hasn’t formally retired with MLBPA yet.
:)
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
if sportswriters ever admit steriod-plauged players into the Hall, Bonds will retire.
This is like his final defiance. Refusing to retire.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Rickey Henderson ever did either.
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I think one must retire
to get on the Hall of Fame ballot?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s just based on the last year you played in the Majors. Henderson kept playing in independents for a while after he retired, but his eligibility was based on 2003.
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here's what wikipedia says
Henderson finally conceded his “official retirement” on July 13, 2007: “I haven’t submitted retirement papers to MLB, but I think MLB already had their papers that I was retired.” Characteristically, he added, “If it was a situation where we were going to win the World Series and I was the only player that they had left, I would put on the shoes.”59
Contrary to speculation,606162 Henderson’s refusal to officially retire had not been delaying his eligibility for Hall of Fame induction. Since the 1970s, the five-year waiting period has been based on major league service only. Henderson was elected as part of the 2009 Hall of Fame vote, in his first appearance on the ballot. At a press conference two days after his election, the 50-year-old Henderson told reporters, "I believe today, and people say I’m crazy, but if you gave me as many at-bats that you would give the runners out there today, I would outsteal every last one of them… they can always ring my phone and I’ll come on down and help their ballclub, that’s how much I love the game."63
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interesting info on the HOF eligibility being service time, not actual retirement papers. So in theory, a player already inducted into the Hall of Fame could sign with and play for a team?
he might be right, lol. Giants should bring back Rickey for MLB minimum and see what he does.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
had a gimmick going for a while where he returned for a couple of games each decade. The White Sox finally got sick of it in the 90s, when he was pushing 70…
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Jim Palmer
tried to make a comeback after he’d been inducted into the HofF. Never got out of the minors, though.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 13, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
we just didnt notice because he spent the final years with crappy teams trying to have one last blaze of glory.
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Ted Williams lost a bunch of his prime years to WW2 though, so it’s not super surprising to me.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Williams would be in the top 5 easily with war credit
He lost a LOT of time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I wouldn’t say I’m too surprised – as Bill James said, these sorts of things have to get the big stuff right. If it were missing on something so foundation I would think it would raise more questions about the method than about how great guys like Ruth and Mays really were.
That said, I wonder if Fangraphs’ positional adjustments and defensive stats are making for some tweaks. Rogers Hornsby, for example, may be getting up bump from being a second baseman that I’m not sure he deserves. He was REALLY crappy at second by all accounts, but I don’t know if or how that shows up in Fangraphs’ stats. Mickey Mantle is several slots below him, and I would say Mantle and Hornsby provided similar value, relative to the league, on offense – they are only 3 points different in OPS+. Was Mantle that much less valuable in center, compared to Hornsby at second?
Likewise Eddie Collins – I like the guy, but his defense would have to be really special for a guy who hit .333/.424/.429 to be more valuable than a guy who hit .340/.447/.632 (Lou Gehrig). I don’t know if I buy that.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Collins also had almost 3000 more PA than Gehrig did…
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The defensive numbers from TotalZone are different than you’d expect for both Mantle (a little negative for his whole career, though that could be a result of injuries late in his career) and Hornsby (a little positive for his whole career.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I realize you are just giving some of the extra reasons behind why Fangraphs might have that number, but I still think it is suspect. According to Fangraphs, Gehrig produced WAY more overall offense, even given the fewer PAs. They credit Gehrig with 1085.1 batting runs. By contrast, Fangraphs gives Collins 781.9 batting runs over his career. Given that Gehrig never had a reputation as a poor fielder (and Fangraphs doesn’t think so either) you are left saying that Collins made up that gap with just defense and positional scarcity. I have my doubts. I’m sure that you could construct an argument to defend that, but it would be an uphill battle.
I also note that Fangraphs has Gehrig with more RAR, but less WAR. Is there something WAR includes that RAR does not?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Positional adjustment (which is pretty big between 1B and 2B) and defensive runs (which I think Collins is better in terms of.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I mean, the whole point of WAR is to measure the WHOLE package of a player. And it’s not like the gap between Collins and Gehrig is huge.
I think you’re underrating Collins, to be honest. I don’t think he’s as big of a name as the other guys on that list, but he’s worthy of being top 15 all time in WAR.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Sorry to keep replying
If you just look at the numbers there, Collins makes up 33 runs on defense, about 80 runs on replacement level and 126 runs on position. I imagine the 3000 more PA makes up the rest of the difference in terms of WAR.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It really is kind of a difficult question, because “career leader in WAR” doesn’t actually answer the question of who was better. I don’t think it is underrating Collins to acknowledge that Gehrig is clearly superior.
I think I’m missing something in how this all is being calculated though. Fangraphs has 4 numbers that it is totaling up: Hitting runs & fielding runs above average, replacements runs (which seems to be pretty much just a reflection of playing time), and positional runs.
Hitting runs: Collins 781.9; Gehrig 1085.1.
Fielding runs: Collins 35; Gehrig 2.
Replacement runs: Collins 401.2; Gehrig 322.
Positional: Collins 33.3; Gehrig -92.7.
Sum all those numbers up, and Gehrig still leads. The only thing I can figure is that Gehrig spent more of his career in a higher run environment than Collins, making each run he was worth less. Anyway – that would explain why Fangraphs has Collins listed with a higher career WAR. I still think it’s an imperfect listing, but maybe the problem is with the idea of a career sort by WAR in the first place.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Just use WAR per 600 PA's.
Collins has more WAR due to the fact that he has more playing time. The way to counteract that is to take away that advantage by making a per season type number.
In this case Gehrig had 7.8 WAR/600, Collins had 6.7.
In case you were wondering only Rogers Hornsby, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, and Barry Bonds have more WAR per 600 PA’s. Mays has exactly the same WAR/600 as Gehrig.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Nov 14, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
but the WAR/defense data for those players
hasn’t changed and won’t change.
Brian Sabean: Greatest GM in the history of history
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OT
I was watching mlb network showing top plays of 2010. Showed Carlos Lee hitting a home run for Houston and all I could think was you turned down a ring moron!!!
He turned down a ring? From whom?
If the Giants had signed Carlos Lee a few years ago, I strongly doubt they would have won the WS this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Sabes also proposed to Carlos.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 13, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, that just lead us to overpay Zito and Rowand. But oh well, Lee was wretched enough this year that it’s worth it.
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overall, though
Lee has been worth about 1 WAR more than Zito, 2007-2010. :(
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Can I just say that
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
and here I thought it was a personal appeal to me...
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
a few years ago, I made up a list of how long each franchise had gone without winning a World Series
And I’ve kept it updated each season. I just updated it. So fucking beautiful.
1) SAN FRANCISCO MOTHERFUCKING GIANTS – 0 years
2) New York Yankees – 1 year
3) Philadelphia Phillies – 2 years
4) Boston Red Sox – 3 years
5) St. Louis Cardinals – 4 years
6) Chicago White Sox – 5 years
7) Florida Marlins – 7 years
8) Anaheim Angels – 8 years
9) Arizona Diamondbacks – 9 years
10) Atlanta Braves – 15 years
11) Toronto Blue Jays – 17 years
12) Minnesota Twins – 19 years
13) Cincinnati Reds – 30 years
14) Oakland A’s – 21 years
15) Los Angeles Dodgers – 22 years
16) New York Mets – 24 years
17) Kansas City Royals – 25 years
18) Detroit Tigers – 26 years
19) Baltimore Orioles – 27 years
20) Pittsburgh Pirates – 31 years
21) Cleveland Indians – 62 years
22) Chicago Cubs – 102 years
X) Texas Rangers – Never (50 years)
X) Houston Astros – Never (49 years)
X) Milwaukee Brewers – Never (42 years)
X) Washington Nationals – Never (42 years)
X) San Diego Padres – Never (42 years)
X) Seattle Mariners – Never (34 years)
X) Colorado Rockies – Never (18 years)
X) Tampa Bay Devil Rays – Never (13 years)
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by jcb9 on Nov 13, 2010 4:33 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
lol A's lol Dodgers
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I think for the Reds it should say "20 years" though
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
There’s someone in one of my grad classes who’s a Pirates fan. I would give an LOL PIRATES, but that seems like punching a quadriplegic in the face, those poor bastards.
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Which reminds me of a soccer game I attended in Leon, Mexico,
in which a fight broke out between the visiting Santos fans (who were being bombarded by baggies full of urine) and fans of Leon. After enduring the urinification of their seats, the Santos fans were treated to the sight of a six year old boy running back and forth in front of them and giving them all the middle finger of each hand, all while encouraging them to engage in copulation with their female relatives.
The boy’s father, drunk to the point of not being able to stand, encouraged the lad with laughs and insults of his own directed at the Santos contingent. As if this wasn’t enough, one of the Santos fans, an apparent paraplegic in a wheelchair finally said something, and was immediately set upon by 4 or 5 adults who began to punch and kick him mercilessly.
After a short while the wheelchair tipped over and the occupant found himself on the ground, and though being kicked he put up a good fight, delivering punch after punch to the legs of the brave Leon fans. I remember thinking that the L.A. Dodgers must contract with the Leon soccer club to train their fans for the rigors of Chavez Latrine.
Moral of the story: Fuck the Leon, Mexico soccer club douchebag fans, and fuck the LA Dodgers.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
Nice parable. And a timely lesson for us all.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 13, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
I think we’ve all learned something today: never let some gimp punch you in the legs when you can just step on his throat and finish him.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 14, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
I have to disagree here – you keep kicking him while he punches you. Kicks tend to do more damage than punches and a paraplegic on the floor isn’t going to be getting any leverage on his blows anyway. Stepping on him would just make you as immobile as he is and allow him to grapple with you, negating your advantage of having functional legs…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 14, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
also
These past seven years have been kind to the long-suffering. Giants, Red Sox, White Sox.
LOL CUBS.
LOL INDIANS.
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4 expansion teams that year
San Diego Padres
Seattle Pilots (aka Milwaukee Brewers)
Montreal Expos (aka Washington Nationals)
Kansas City Royals
One World Series title for the four of them in a combined almost-200 years of history. More of them have moved to other cities than won a World Series. Only five pennants between the four teams.
Not a good year to be an expansion team, apparently!
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didnt realize there were so many teams that have never won. huh
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
The Mariners and Nationals franchises have never been to the World Series (making Dave Niehaus’ death even more sad. He never got to see his team even make the World Series) .
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
For their 33 year history, the Mariners have been shitty for approximately 20 of them. They didn’t post a record above .500 until 1991. It’s also amazing how many seasons they have lost more than 100 games or come in last place in their division. Frankly, Dave Niehaus should be made a saint or something. Dude endured all that crap with good humor and class.
by Murray, Present on Nov 13, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
Easy for him. I haven’t scored in weeks.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 14, 2010 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
- (Anaheim, 8 years) still makes me a little sad, though 2010 erased most of those nightmares
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
SEMI OT: Giants culture
I need to do a paper on “a cultural action chain.” I’m seriously considering doing it on going to a Giants game. You don’t go to a Giants game the same way you’d go to a dodgers game, a 9ers game, or an A’s game.
I’ve got a few items to already such as the killing of beach balls and waves, if it’s Friday wear orange, the 12 Galaxies dude…
What would you add?
Consume wine and cheese and spend 91% of your time on your cell phone calling friends to find out if you've been on TV yet.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 13, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Bennett’s mellifluous voice after home wins.
As a side note, tt’s too bad that the “Lights” sing-a-long never happened until this year. I hope it turns into a tradition next season.
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
by imovermyhead on Nov 13, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
btw
thanks for “mellifluous.” I had Tony Bennett but I like the “mellifluous” bit. It’s in keeping with the tone of the paper.
…When an opposing player strikes out you will often hear variations on the phrase "Grab some pine meat!" meaning that the player is now shamed and should consequently go sit down and think about what a terrible ball player he is and how he might want to embark upon a new career path.
Heard this song again the other day...
…and wondered if it had ever been posted in reference to our old pal Bengie:
James Hunter – Mollena
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6d1D2LeQK0
what an epic Cal/Oregon game. Just tuned in for the 2nd half.
Where’s Riley? (i dont follow football much).
Sucks dude missed the FG. Guess the snap count was not communicated well.
Riley’s out for the season. I’m impressed that Cal is hanging with Oregon, despite Brock Mansion’s inability to hit his receivers.
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
by imovermyhead on Nov 13, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Oregon is such a dynamic team that
i am impressed too, considering at one point Brock hadn’t thrown a completion in 2.5 quarters.
that TD on the fumble that got cal their 2nd TD was EPIC. still hung up over that missed FG, like a Giants game where they would have the bases loaded with no outs and fail to score
by giant4life83 on Nov 13, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the defense came up huge for Cal.
Tavecchio missed a go-ahead FG against ASU earlier this year. It didn’t come back to haunt Cal then, but this one is gonna hurt.
Somewhere in the minor leagues, Joe Paterson is pitching.
by imovermyhead on Nov 13, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa, thinking of the wrong wrong wrong game. It was against Arizona, and it did come back to haunt Cal.
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by imovermyhead on Nov 13, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t generally care for Helo, but he’s being a good dude right now.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
And this whole Balthar/Jesus storyline is almost too weird for me.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops. Baltar.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
This is a better episode than the last few, though. Far more focused, tight.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Man, this Cally thing was really a terrible choice. Chief Tyrol as BIG ANGRY OGRE isn’t worthwhile at all.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Gotta say: Helo is being kind of a badass today. Misguided? Maybe. Badass? Yes.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
They’ve definitely found their footing this season. The civil war is good stuff.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
This might be the best Roslin scene I’ve seen in the show.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I do find it incredibly weird that they seem to have conveniently forgotten the CURE FOR CANCER THEY INVENTED. Maybe this other lady should be dying of something else.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Oooo…. What you gonna do now, Anders?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Awww… that was a good Adama scene, too.
GOOD EPISODES ARE GOOD. Thank the Gods.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
And a nice cliffhanger, too. Officially looking forward to the last disc of 4.0.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Damn. I think I started BSG a few months after you did and I’ve already finished the series! That’s with taking some time off between Season 3 and 4 to finish Avatar: The Last Airbender. Hurry up Howie!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 14, 2010 1:01 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been pretty busy so I’ve had these week and a half periods where I’m holding onto a single disc. I’ll probably blow through the last of it in December when my schedule clears up.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 14, 2010 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Wow. I’m almost glad I’m not watching the Pacquiao fight today. It sounds like Margarito’s face is basically an unrecognizable pulp right now.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
WTH
are you watching BSG and listening to the fight at the same time?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
Following the fight online.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
nice multitasking
I hope you are writing a paper or something too for full effect.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
In fact, I’m juggling onions.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
pearl?
or bermuda?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 13, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Are you trying to impress someone?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Everyone.
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by howtheyscored on Nov 13, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Every few days, I go to MLB.com to watch highlights from the playoff run—usually the final pitches by Wilson in the NLCS and WS, along with a key hit or two—in order to convince myself that, yes, the Giants won the World Series.
It’s still not working.
Thing C
I think the NLCS was the vastly superior series
I watch so many NLCS highlights. Fewer WS.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Honestly this is the best video I've seen in my lifetime:
CSN needs to make it available on their website though, I don’t like this rerecorded quality…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfWCYKdL6pQ
Chills everytime I watch it. Everytime.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
regardless of the quality it still makes me emotional,
really shows people what giants fans have put up with the past 50 or so years, really awesome intro
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Agreed.
/wipes tears from eyes
I’m not a huge Linkin Park fan either, but the song fits well.
"Whoever said WAR is HELL must have been talking about Aaron Rowand" - McCoven faithful
pretty sure that
CSN knows what’s up every time they make a tribute video
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
ABSOLUTE NO ON JOSE BAUTISTA!!!
For a guy who only hit one 50+ HR year thus far, suddenly he’s deemed a star or at least one-in-the-making. I don’t like guys who can only hit homeruns but can barely hit for average (see his .244 career BA). Plus… who knows if he can even repeat his success year after year. Many players have an aberration year in which they play stellar for one season, but can never repeat the same success on a consistent basis (see Rich Aurilla 2001, Adrian Beltre 2004, Aaron Rowand 2007).
Are we still crying over trading away John Bowker?
I remember an article that expressed outrage for trading Bowkey for Javier Lopez, which i thought the trade was VERY necessary at the time given Affeldt and Runzler were injured and we needed a lefty bullpen dude. So we’re not crying about that now right?
I read yesterday in Sanspo that Lotte made a conditional agreement last offseason to allow Nishioka to move to MLB. Sanspo didn’t offer any hints as to what those conditions might be, but it’s pretty likely that they were met, as Lotte won the Japan Series, and Nishioka had the best year of his career by nearly every measure.
The Sanspo report says that Lotte and Nishioka plan on coming to a resolution by the 17th (JST), so it won’t be long before we know one way or another.
Also:
Nishioka was apparently moved to tears by the fans chanting his name in the 9th inning of Saturday’s Japan-Korea Club Championship.
Aww.
An anonymous source close to him said that he would first prefer to play for the Dodgers, but after that he would prefer to play for a few other teams in the West, including the Giants. Don’t know if any of that will actually have much influence on any decisions he might make, though.
by Seasick fish on Nov 14, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Truthfully, I don’t know much about him, and some of the things I have heard give me some doubts about him. But I think the team is in a position that it has to consider all options that come along. It seems like there’s a good chance Uribe could be wooed away, and other options at SS seem limited this offseason.
by Seasick fish on Nov 14, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
And the anger will out in full force (hopefully jponry does what she said when Heyward wins and people whine).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Buster Fucking Rookie of the Year Posey!!!!
Congratulations Buster! Well deserved honor!
are we allowed to go off the deep end if we thought Heyward was robbed?
cuz Im not! BUSTER BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER IN DOUBT!
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