Wednesday afternoon nonsense
by Grant Brisbee on Nov 10, 2010 1:10 PM PST
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GUY TAMARACK, HOST: Welcome to "Hard Ball, Round Table", where we get a bunch of internet baseball nerds around a round table to agree with each other in an internet-nerd echo chamber. Joining us today is Internet Giants Nerd #1...
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Hello.
GUY TAMARACK, HOST: ...Internet Giants Nerd #2...
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: Hi.
GUY TAMARACK, HOST: ...a Deadspin Reader...
DEADSPIN READER: And a good Brett Farve’s penis to you too, sir!
GUY TAMARACK, HOST: ...and Internet Giants Nerd From The Future Who Can’t Talk About the Future Because He’ll Destroy the Universe By Influencing the Space-Time Continuum and Sleeping with His Own Grandma Or Something.
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: I have no idea how I got here. I’m cold.
GUY TAMARACK, HOST: So it’s World Series time, with the Giants and the Rangers taking each other on in the Fall Classic. What are the biggest issues facing the Giants, Giants Nerd #1?
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: The Giants have squeaked by just about every game in the playoffs by one run. They need more offense.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: Even if it means sacrificing the defense, right?
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Absolutely. Pablo Sandoval has had his issues in the field, but he at least gives the promise he can hit. Edgar Renteria went 1-for-17 in the NLCS, and his range is limited. He should be left off the roster, much less out of the lineup.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: Completely agreed. Renteria is a husk of a player, and the Giants should pull him in the middle of an at-bat just to tell him his option is going to be declined.
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Ha, man, if you two only...dammit...never mind.
GUY TAMARACK, HOST: Go on...
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Never mind. I thought you guys were talking about Edgar Winter. I’m tired. Just ignore me.
DEADSPIN READER: Edgar Renteria should go to bars and have his picture taken with college girls. I have a lot of jokes lined up for something like that.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Renteria is an abomination.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: History’s greatest monster.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Can you imagine what would have happened if the Giants signed Rafael Furcal instead? They would have a legit top-of-the-order going into the World Series.
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Oh, man. This is precious.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Look, I know you’re one of those guys that think that Renteria’s experience is some kind of magic talisman, and you don’t care about stats, but Renteria is awful.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: Terrible
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Maybe the worst player in baseball right now.
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Look, I can’t say anything. Haven’t you seen "Back to the Future?" Terrible things could happen. I’m just a guy. I don’t know why I’m here. Ignore me.
DEADSPIN READER: Maybe Renteria diddled Lindsay Lohan, ‘cause that’s what happened to Barry Zito. She had syphilis of the career, and Barry went without protection. She also had regular syphilis, just to clarify.
GUY TAMARACK, HOST: Shouldn’t Renteria be on the roster, though, with Uribe’s sore wrist?
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Only if he doesn’t play. At all.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: Bochy doesn’t have the willpower or the brains not to start Renteria. Just remove the temptation entirely. Start Mike Fontenot at short if there’s an injury.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Bochy should be fired.
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #2: Dude, Bochy should be turned into soylant green. He’s the worst manager ever.
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Alright, fine. I didn’t want to say this,but SHUT UP. SHUT UP, ALL OF YOU. EDGAR RENTERIA WINS THE WORLD SERIES FOR THE GIANTS. HE’S THE WORLD SERIES MVP. I SLEEP WITH A PICTURE OF EDGAR RENTERIA UNDER MY PILLOW. SHUT. UP.
(SILENCE)
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Also, Bochy’s pretty cool now. He gets a lot cooler when you see him hoist a World Series trophy above his head.
(SILENCE)
INTERNET GIANTS NERD #1: Oh, god. I can’t feel my fingers.
DEADSPIN READER: I’ll bet you could if Erin Andrews were here! Rrrrrrowwwl!
PLEASANT OLDER LADY CROCHETING A SWEATER OFF-CAMERA: I like the cut of your jib, familiar-looking young man.
FUTURE INTERNET GIANTS NERD: Oh...really? How about you and me ditch this place and go to Sizzler, you foxy thing?
PLEASANT OLDER LADY CROCHETING A SWEATER OFF-CAMERA: Well, sure. I don’t see how that could destroy the universe or anything.
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Old School Mentality
According to one article I read on Fangraphs, there’s an “age factor” in Gold Gloves as well. For example, Andrus was too young to win a Gold Glove over Jeter. Apparently, Andres at the young age of 32, is too young to win the Gold Glove over Victorino or CarGo. Sad.
I bet these Managers and Coaches have the umpire-like mentality. “Our eyes are good enough to make solid judgments, we don’t need to look at solid statistics (instant replays).” This is truly pathetic.
Also, Pedro Feliz deserved a GG in 2007, his last year with us. I hate the Gold Gloves. Fuck’em.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
first positive them about Pedro I’ve heard you guys spout. seriously
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
The NL should have it's own clownball rule known as the Designated Fielder. Pedro Feliz could play third base as the DF. Just don't let him touch wood, his own, or anyone else's.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 11, 2010 7:01 AM PST up reply actions
I remember way back in 2006 when everybody here had their Pedro for MVP sigs going. I mean, 98 RBIs! Pretty much the best season ever by a Giant.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Culberson and Belt are playing
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2010_11_10_scowin_peswin_1&mode=gameday
Belt is 2-2, with a Triple, a Single, and two walks.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I feel like Belt's OBP has been 1.000 everywhere he's played this year
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
This is true.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
He's got a lot of awesome on him.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Lefty! Hey, the “Texas Cainsaw Massacre” pic was great.
by non sequitur on Nov 10, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Just dubbled home Cullberson and Pollock
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
3/3, 2BB missing the HR for the cycle.
Will he be as good or better than Posey next year?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Now batting .394
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Sanchez, Lincecum, Cain, Wilson, Bumgarner, Posey, Belt
Pretty impressive.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
2/5 of the roster
by midseason could be excellent homegrown, not just cheap replacement level guys. We have those as well, Nate, Ishikawa probably missing someone else again.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
No just overlooked. I knew I was forgetting some.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Is it just me or is this scottsdale team stacked
by panda revival on Nov 10, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
NY1 Noticias (Spanish language 24-hour news station in New York City), is going to broadcast the Domincan league on Sundays. That’s gonna help ride these low months. And AFL as noted above.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
This was really funny.
I loved the deadspin guy
"I ain't havin it!"
That’s right, Bruce Bochy is a World Series winner.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
No offense to Renteria
But if managers could get the MVP, he should have.
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
wouldn’t go deep on the casting couch, eh?
Some say that some cannot say because the Stig can make some not say what they want to say and all i want to say is i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say.
Gold Gloves
I always felt like MVP 2005 did a pretty good job ignoring the big names and recognizing young guys like Wes Krukow for their outstanding defensive stats.
Tsuyohsi Shinjo: Underwear model, winner of Japanese "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire," Ham Fighter, and member of the Giants team that would have participated in 2002 WS if an asteroid hadn't destroyed Earth.
i still hate EA sports
for not continuing that series. John Dowd was awesome in place of Barry Bonds
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
They tried with NCAA Baseball, but no one bought it. 2K Games has the only license to develop MLB games.
just like how Madden has the only license to develop NFL games
Wonder how long the contract lasts with both
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I cant wait until another developer can make an NFL game.
MADDEN 11 is straight DOO-DOO! EA used to be the pinnacle of sports gaming…Now…not so much
Exclusive licensing really destroyed the incentive to actually make a quality product.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
not unlike
Fox’ exclusive broadcast rights/windows…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
EA’s NHL 11 is still hands-down the best NHL game out there. I mean, it helps that the NHL is non-exclusive with its video games (2K sports also makes NHL games), but I’ve heard nothing but good things about EA’s NHL franchise.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
Fear the Fin - Cornering the market on third pairing defensemen since March 2009
FIFA 11 is excellent. A bit under-polished, but still excellent.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting
thanks for that, i heard somewhere that the 2k series is going to try and buy the license back from the NFL. But yea, i enjoyed MLB when it was on EA, 2k has become lazy, just like Madden has
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
i mean... i enjoy playing it...
Madden is a joke…
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
only got a 360 bud... wish i did
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
HA, YOU PAY FOR IT, I'LL GET IT
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I enjoy MLB 2k10 on Xbox.
The graphics and presentation on MLBTheshow are waaaaaaay better than MLB2k10. But for some reason I find 2k10 a more fun game. It runs at 60fps (all sports games should) so it plays faster. I also think the pitching/batting function using the analog stick is more fun than the traditional face buttons.
Yeah he was clockwork
if you actually took the Bonds approach and worked a fastball count it was pretty much a forgone conclusion Dowd was going yard. Pretty accurate to real life at the time. Also, for some reason Marquis Grissom was pretty much Babe Ruth in that game. I broke my ribs and ended up playing a full season whilst in traction and dude hit like 60 home runs.
Owen Dipiesse 8 time Gold Glover at 3rd
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Nov 10, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Firing missiles from Southern California towards Socialist San Francisco.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
That was a fun read
Andres doesn’t need a Gold Glove. How would he be able to show off his World Series ring if he had a stupid glove that was golden on his hand?
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Really this deserves a GG . . . ugh
by GiganteGrande on Nov 10, 2010 1:17 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Perfect illustration of why Andres deserved the Golden Glove
Victorino, faugh!
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
I love Kruk’s call of that. “And Victorino makes the c- nohedroppedit!”
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 10, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Can't fault him for that play
It would have been a spectacular play if he had made that catch. Failing to make it doesn’t make him a lousy fielder.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Nov 11, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
he remains a despicable human being though.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 11, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well, actually you can. I was at the game and it was obvious that Victorino took a wrong first step. Something he does often.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Nov 11, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
wasn’t that a ball off Posey’s bat, that knuckled on Rectumface?
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Neyer:
They could have gone for Andres Torres, except he played somewhere different every day.
Uh, no. Not in September and most of August, Rob.
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
It’s still the outfield right!! Neyer go suck a big one
by GiganteGrande on Nov 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
exactly
who cares where he played, it’s not like he was going between LF and 1B
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Shouldn't that be more impressive?
That Torres can play all three outfield spots exceptionally well.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
by 49er16 on Nov 10, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, should it matter what position he played in the outfield?
The dude played center almost everyday of the season
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
They could have gone for Andres Torres, except I hate the Giants and refuse to give them any credit.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
QFT. Dude hates the Giants and still believes the phillies would win in 7
by GiganteGrande on Nov 10, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Holy crap
A baseball analyst believed that the team which was better on paper would win a series? I AM SHOCKED.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
It’s not that dude, it’s the fact that he refused to give the Giants ANY credit for any of their wins in the playoffs.
I read just about everything he wrote during the playoffs
He said multiple times that the Giants flat-out outplayed their opponents. You’re looking for bias.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We went over this a million times. Pain is related to Neyer, so he defends him at any opportunity.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly a million?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I went back and counted. 109. It just seemed like a million.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 10, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
In fact it was 109 million times, give or take.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Nov 11, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that’s exactly it. (Heavy sarcasm)
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT PAPER YOU SMOKIN?
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Good taste...I suppose...not a smoker...
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Zig-Zags make real good paper for rolling your, er, tobacco… yeah
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
Neyer loves the Giants
He can’t say it because he’s an analyst, and claims to no longer be a fan of any team, but he admits that he watches more Giants game than any other team, he comes to the bay area (from Portland, I believe) regularly to see games, and at the start of the playoffs said his ideal world series was Giants/Rays (and later included Giants/Rangers).
It’s not “hate” to pick the Phillies over the Giants. In fact, it’s probably rational. Which makes our win all the sweeter.
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
I believe you are thinking of the much more talented Jim Caple.
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=5628796
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 10, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Neyer did admit on his blog that the Giants are his favorite NL team. If I weren’t lazy I’d look it up for you, but it’s on there during the playoff posts.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
So the Giants may be Neyer’s 14th favorite team. Who cares?
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'm responding to antinous, who seems to care. Not you.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Do you read him, ever? Other than stuff he writes about the Giants?
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see how that’s relevant in regards to my sentiment that “Rob Neyer’s analysis during the playoffs was terrible and annoying.”
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Because you’re clearly interpretting his stuff wrongly, which is much more understandable if you never read him.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Neyer isn’t writing in a different language. I shouldn’t have to read every article he’s ever written to conclude that the articles he wrote during the playoffs sucked. It had nothing to do with his style of writing.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
It has everything to do with the reasoning behind his conclusions, though.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
Neyer is first and foremost a Royals fan.
Brian Sabean: Greatest GM in the history of history
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Eh, he seems to have a “complicated” relationship with the Royals. Which is understandable, of course, as it is the Royals, after all….
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
Why do so many people here take offense to everything Neyer says? I don’t get it. He doesn’t have anything against the Giants, he even kind of likes them.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
It seems that the better we play, the more people look for things to get angry at. It’s pretty weird.
The whole “looking for things to get offended at” thing some posters have going on really turns me off. Honestly, the pro-Posey for RoY crowd around here reminded me a lot of Cardinals fans pissed about Timmy getting the Cy over Wainwright….
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Summary:
It’s not what he says, it’s about how he goes about saying it. I get that Neyer is trying to take a third-party angle at the game, but every time the Giants play well it needs some ridiculous preamble about how the ball bounced their way. It’s like he’s conceding that the Giants outplayed the Rangers, instead of just coming out and saying it.Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
by Solidarity on Oct 31, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Neyer is a nerd.
He’s fascinated by probabilities and randomness. It informs a lot of his writing. That it happened to be what was concentrated on during his world series coverage is not that surprising, regardless of who was playing.
I found everything Neyer wrote about the Giants to be very in line with how he writes about baseball. I read a lot of his stuff, what can I say.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Read the thread. His “analysis” wasn’t at all balanced in breaking down the “breaks” we got. Maybe it’s not because he’s biased; but he came off as an idiot regardless.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
maybe this would all be better suited to your Fire Rob Neyer blog
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
by oldjacket on Nov 10, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can do you one better, I read the actual articles.
And I still think there wasn’t any bias towards the Rangers. He cares a lot about randomness. I don’t think anyone needs to lose their shit about that.
So you’re saying Rob Neyer isn’t a biased writer, just a crappy one? Look at logic he used to demonstrate the Giants’ breaks vs the Rangers’ in that thread.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Or neither. A lot of what he does makes a whole lot of sense, when you aren’t looking for reasons to get offended about it.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I look at it as “I’m going to read the article and judge him based on the points he makes” rather than “I’m going to read an article and agree with everything he says because BILL JAMES!!!!”
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not supposed to look it that way?
But.. what will I say to Bill when he gets home?
Admit it, you know the spark is gone between you and Bill.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
He’s definitely a well-known hussie. I dare anyone to disagree with me on that point.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Excuse me while I find a link to a previous thread where I called him a hussie as evidence that he is indeed a hussie.
Irrefutable!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously.
You can’t walk into a room wearing a flannel shirt that suggestively and NOT expect something to happen.
/ shrugs
I personally I am about luke warm towads Neyer – which puts him well above about 80% of the "recognized reports". Really I saw his coverage as a way of verbalizing WPA to those that have no exposure to stats or numerical baseball. For that effort I give him a far amount of kudos. Now if he rubs you the wrong way I can respect that. Personally anything tips that presentation of baseball away form the current amount of baseball being exercise of fighting spirit toward playing the odds is damn good thing.
I mean yes you have to have shrewd, focused completive mind to win games a large quantity but that is not the whole game. And that aspect is just way too over covered nodays.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Ah, yes
Like when he starts the article by saying
Once again, the Rangers just got beat.
In Games 1 and 2, they just got beat by San Francisco’s hitters.
In Game 4, they just got beat by San Francisco’s starting pitcher.
Or when he showed his BIAS by saying
If all of these plays go the other way, the Giants probably still win.
Or when he totally disrespected us by saying
We do know that Madison Bumgarner out-pitched Tommy Hunter, and we do know that Huff, Torres, and Posey all crushed pitches to drive in runs. We know the Giants deserved to win this one, just as they deserved to win the first two games and the Rangers deserved to win the third.
That bastard.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Are you this dense, or do I have to repeat myself 644 times in order for you to comprehend?
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
If you've repeated yourself 644 times and people still think your argument is silly
The solution is almost certainly not repetition.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Nov 10, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It’s not what he says, it’s about how he goes about saying it. I get that Neyer is trying to take a third-party angle at the game, but every time the Giants play well it needs some ridiculous preamble about how the ball bounced their way. It’s like he’s conceding that the Giants outplayed the Rangers, instead of just coming out and saying it.
I can even use the post you replied to in reply to you:
So you’re saying Rob Neyer isn’t a biased writer, just a crappy one? Look at logic he used to demonstrate the Giants’ breaks vs the Rangers’ in that thread.
I’m not sure how your brain came to the conclusion that you would reply “hey Rob Neyer conceded the Giants outplayed the Giants. We can totally ignore the fact that he wrote a crappy article which outlined every time the Giants got a break while not doing the same thing for the Rangers and that will show it wasn’t a crappy article!”, and that’s only because it’s hard to imagine a brain of your volume coming up with a thought as detailed as that one.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
I wear a 7 3/4
I think my brain is plenty voluminous.
Your argument basically comes down to you thinking Neyer is a bad writer? Which is completely and utterly subjective. Which makes me very confused why you’re spending so much time on the assertion.
You’re mad that a baseball analyst is trying to say things in a manner which you object to. You’re very mad that Rob Neyer didn’t list every single potentially lucky break by each team in a blog post.
Why are you so distraught over this? If you’re willing to concede that Neyer isn’t biased, then you’re just mad that he didn’t write his article the way you would have wanted?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I didn’t concede that he isn’t biased; I conceded that I really don’t care if he is. The reason I dislike the article is because it manages to take away from what the Giants accomplished, especially when you compare it to how he handled analyzing the Rangers. If he downplayed everything the Giants did and then came back and did the same thing for the Rangers, it would obviously be more acceptable.
He wrote an article outlining all the times the Giants got lucky in a game. He wrote about six instances in which the Giants got “lucky”, with two being valid (the missed umpire calls) and the rest ranging from dubious to complete bullshit. He didn’t even post one instance of the Rangers’ being lucky. He concludes the article by making the point “Yeah, I guess the Giants won, but… you can’t really give them too much credit.” You really don’t see how this could be the least bit frustrating for a fan of the team? I mean, you’re the same guy who comes in and posts how much you love opposing players while we’re playing them, so I’m not sure how much you would care, but I think most fans would find it annoying.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
it manages to take away from what the Giants accomplished, especially when you compare it to how he handled analyzing the Rangers
The way you read it, sure. The way I read it, is he’s discussing the role of randomness in the postseason.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Most of the things he brought up weren’t random or luck though. All he accomplished was making it seem like the Giants were luckier than they actually were.
And it’s not just the way I read it. If you read the comments under his article, a lot of the people had a similar reaction.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
At this point, you actually have me looking back through his articles. I’m honestly at a loss to find anything offensive. Care to share some quotes you found particularly objectionable?
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
This article was the worst one:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6118/bumgarner-leaves-little-room-for-doubt
I posted a link to my reaction below.
He’s made quite a few annoying points starting from before the series. Here’s a few I recall being annoying:
Pre-series:
The Rangers did win slightly more games this season, in the slightly better league. The Rangers did have to beat slightly better teams in the first two rounds of the tournament to qualify for the finals.
Well, that’s just a flat out incorrect statement.
No. Not even close. But I believe Bochy might have one more move up his sleeve, a move that might even the odds just a little.
Would you make a pitcher with a 4.26 ERA your No. 2 starter?
That’s what Bochy did in the NLCS.
Don’t think this was one was that bad, but I do think he was wrong to say Sanchez starting game two was a bad decision, considering the Phillies’ line-up and ballpark and Sanchez being a strikeout pitcher while Cain is a flyball pitcher.
After game 1:
For one night … for one game … for two innings … the San Francisco Giants were better than Cliff Lee. And later, their bullpen was better than the Texas Rangers’ bullpen.
Annoying wording sounds like a bs concession that “yeah, the Giants played better today, but do I want to say they actually are better? nah”
After game 2:
For seven innings, the Rangers were out-lucked, and might have been very slightly outplayed. The rest of the game, the Rangers were badly outplayed. They were also badly outmanaged. Again. And one of these games, it really is going to cost them.
Jeez, don’t give us too much credit, Rob. Whatever, anyways…
After Game 3
Finally, one goes according to form
I’m starting to sense a pattern. These weren’t all that bad on their own, but it gets annoying when someone tries to accredit as much to luck as possible when your team wins, and as little when the other does. And then he posted his article after game 4, which was just completely unnecessary.
If you’re going to track all the breaks, but conclude they were pointless and had no effect on the outcome of the game, don’t come back and post them all anyway and try to undermine the actual accomplishment. And if you still go ahead and post them anyway, don’t completely get away from doing that when the other team wins.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, he didn’t tag that one under Giants, so that’s why I missed it when going through.
His after the game 2 article was a good one. It even talks about his fascination with the role of luck (if you want to refer to it as randomness rather than luck, that’s fine)! As for Sanchez, he thinks Sanchez was our 4th best starter, so yeah, he wasn’t as high on Sanchez as others (but was a supporter of Bumgarner). Oh well. I’m really not seeing too much reason to get offended. I mean, even in his article listing the breaks, he says:
I’ve been making lists of “breaks” in each game. For the most part, they’ve been pretty even. But as Game 4 progressed, the Post-It I was using for the Giants kept filling up while my Rangers Post-It remained an empty square of little yellow paper. Granted, at some point I probably fell victim to confirmation bias, the Giants’ breaks becoming obvious and the Rangers’ breaks invisible. Consider, though:
If all of these plays go the other way, the Giants probably still win. Maybe it’s 3-1 … 4-2 … 2-1. We can’t know, even approximately. We can only guess the game would have been closer than it was.
We do know that Madison Bumgarner out-pitched Tommy Hunter, and we do know that Huff, Torres, and Posey all crushed pitches to drive in runs. We know the Giants deserved to win this one, just as they deserved to win the first two games and the Rangers deserved to win the third.
To this point, the managers and the breaks have been mostly irrelevant. To this point, the results have almost perfectly reflected the performances of the guys with the bats and the gloves. This does make “analysis” somewhat difficult. But there’s something to be said for the players who play better actually winning.
I don’t know why I blockquoted the paragraphs separately, I just started doing it so I continued. ;)
But yeah, does that really sound like the words of a guy trying to undermine the Giants? Does that sound like he’s not trying to give them credit?
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, he concedes the Giants deserved to win.
He also posted a list of lucky things that went the Giants way. He did not post a list of any things that went the Rangers way. The list also was not accurate, as most of the things he mentioned weren’t even luck, and if they were, there were plenty of scenarios where the Rangers were just as lucky. He refused to point this out. It is annoying.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Every single one of those things he listed involves luck/randomness. I don’t see the problem. And he even prefaces his list by saying:
But as Game 4 progressed, the Post-It I was using for the Giants kept filling up while my Rangers Post-It remained an empty square of little yellow paper. Granted, at some point I probably fell victim to confirmation bias, the Giants’ breaks becoming obvious and the Rangers’ breaks invisible. Consider, though:
!!
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
You could say every play in baseball involves a level of luck/randomness. Doesn’t mean they’re particularly interesting or worth pointing out. And it managed to annoy a lot of people, including me.
Yeah, I’m glad he admitted it. Even though he realized it, he still fell victim to confirmation bias and wrote a deceiving article about the relative level of luck between the teams.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly! Every play is subject to a lot of luck/randomness. I personally find it interesting. It’s amazing how much it determines who wins the World Series among the teams good enough to make the postseason.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
I really don’t have a problem with the idea, but why couldn’t he post similar things that undermine what the Rangers did?
The Giants were being underrated a lot in the postseason, and someone coming and pointing out all the ways they were lucky didn’t really spark a positive response from me.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, it is bad luck. The expected result of a hard line-drive is a base-hit, so when a hitter gets robbed, it’s bad luck, as Rob pointed out.
The same thing goes for Sanchez’s line-drive that Moreland couldn’t get to. It was a hard hit ball that should have been a hit, and if it didn’t result in a hit, it would have been a bad luck. Nevertheless, Rob says that was actually bad luck for the Rangers, which essentially contradicts his first statement.
Fine, the Giants got somewhat lucky that Sanchez caught that line-drive (though it was an awesome defensive play as well). You can’t come back and say the Rangers were unlucky that when it happened to them, it didn’t result as a hit, at least not as two separate points.
Ross caught a flyball that wasn’t hit hard enough to be a homerun. He was able to run back and catch the ball because he’s a good defender, but there wasn’t really any more luck involved than any other flyball. He was really trying to reach for ways to call the Giants lucky with that point. A lot less luck than on Hamilton’s diving catch, which he didn’t mention as one of his lucky points.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t think this was one was that bad, but I do think he was wrong to say Sanchez starting game two was a bad decision, considering the Phillies’ line-up and ballpark and Sanchez being a strikeout pitcher while Cain is a flyball pitcher.
Plenty of people here agreed with him. Sanchez might be a strikeout pitcher, but he gives up significantly MORE home runs than Cain. You might disagree, but it’s no way stupid, let alone aggravating.
Annoying wording sounds like a bs concession that "yeah, the Giants played better today, but do I want to say they actually are better? nah"
He probably doesn’t want to say that the Giants are better because he doesn’t think the Giants are better, which is a legitimate opinion. He said right before the series started that he thinks the Rangers are slightly better – is he obligated to change his mind because the Giants won 4 out of 5?
I think the Yankees are better than the Rangers, even though the Rangers beat them in the playoffs. I think most people would agree, actually. Does that make you angry?
Jeez, don’t give us too much credit, Rob. Whatever, anyways…
The quote says the Giants outplayed and outmanaged the Rangers badly for most of the game. You’re complaining it’s not giving the Giants enough credit. You seem to have really high expectations. Should he have declared the Giants the greatest team since the 1927 Yankees?
As for the last paragraphs – it’s been established that he actually likes the Giants, and yet you’re still writing as if he were pro-Rangers, which is kind of weird.
He probably doesn’t want to say that the Giants are better because he doesn’t think the Giants are better, which is a legitimate opinion. He said right before the series started that he thinks the Rangers are slightly better – is he obligated to change his mind because the Giants won 4 out of 5?
I think the Yankees are better than the Rangers, even though the Rangers beat them in the playoffs. I think most people would agree, actually. Does that make you angry?
Stubbornness is really annoying. You’ve never been annoyed by someone saying “well, we’re still the better team, even though we lost” after a game? And I do think the Giants proved that he underestimated them.
And I think I’ve said it at least 4 times in this thread, I don’t care that he picked the Rangers. That fact that he’s only willing to kind of concede things and that he insists on pointing out all the ways the Giants were lucky, even though it’s completely irrelevant, because even he admits, they made absolutely no difference.
The quote says the Giants outplayed and outmanaged the Rangers badly for most of the game. You’re complaining it’s not giving the Giants enough credit. You seem to have really high expectations. Should he have declared the Giants the greatest team since the 1927 Yankees?
As for the last paragraphs – it’s been established that he actually likes the Giants, and yet you’re still writing as if he were pro-Rangers, which is kind of weird.
No, I’m annoyed at his articles
because it manages to take away from what the Giants accomplished, especially when you compare it to how he handled analyzing the Rangers. If he downplayed everything the Giants did and then came back and did the same thing for the Rangers, it would obviously be more acceptable.
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He wrote an article outlining all the times the Giants got lucky in a game. He wrote about six instances in which the Giants got "lucky", with two being valid (the missed umpire calls) and the rest ranging from dubious to complete bullshit. He didn’t even post one instance of the Rangers’ being lucky. He concludes the article by making the point "Yeah, I guess the Giants won, but… you can’t really give them too much credit." You really don’t see how this could be the least bit frustrating for a fan of the team? I mean, you’re the same guy who comes in and posts how much you love opposing players while we’re playing them, so I’m not sure how much you would care, but I think most fans would find it annoying.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t really care. But I’m still going to call him a stupid jackass for saying it.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
I think you were better off saying it annoyed you, personally.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Stubbornness is really annoying. You’ve never been annoyed by someone saying "well, we’re still the better team, even though we lost" after a game? And I do think the Giants proved that he underestimated them.
It’s not stubbornness, it’s common sense. Like I said, I think the Yankees are better than the Rangers – don’t you? Are we stubborn to think that?
You keep avoiding the premise of my argument, so I’ll just avoid your replies.
by kingofthacove on Nov 11, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
that's why I never read blogs
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
7 and 3/8th.
Keep in mind that I’m a little person (not that little).
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
7 1/2
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
How tall is you?
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
5'3"
though one of my students today was insisting that I cannot possibly be taller than 5’
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Cool height!
I think I’m 5’7.5"
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
It is if you're thinking what I'm thinking.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
omg Mike Fontenot is not actually relevant to every conversation ever.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It would be fun to create an EdeIweiss sock puppet with a capital I instead of a lowercase l and then see if people could figure out when the real Edelweiss was posting and when the sock puppet was posting. I am way too lazy to actually do that, though.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Lies!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Mike Fontenot has told a few in his time.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Rob decided to track breaks to highlight how much of an impact they have on the eventual outcome. In the end, we won. So yeah, he’s highlighting our breaks. He said he was going to do that before the series started. This is why I tell you to read all of his stuff.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
The premise really has nothing to do with the Giants or the Rangers at all, but rather the randomness associated with winning the the postseason.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
So he decided to track “breaks,” most of which weren’t even actual breaks, and only did so for one side. How is that a good article? That’s a completely retarded article.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Dude, I read all of his stuff. I read all of the posts. His “analysis” is pretty much his typical analysis for all teams. It’s how he writes. He has nothing against the Giants, you’re just interpretting anything he says as anti-Giants. Stop.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I do not care whether he does or doesn’t have anything against the Giants. He wrote an article comparing the breaks the Rangers and Giants got, and found ways to undermine the Giants by accrediting much of what happened during the game, while not doing the same for the Rangers. His definition of “luck” wasn’t even accurate.
I don’t care if he wants to pick against the Giants, but rather how he did it. His reasoning was hardly logical.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
I used to like Rob Neyer a lot.
But this post-season, he seemed to really be mailing it in. Remember the argument that the Rangers had won more games than the Giants, so he picked them to win it all? Then he got all peeved when G’s fans pointed out his errah.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 10, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Again, read his stuff. His stuff is logical, based on a whole lot of reading on research into how baseball actually works, and his picks fit right in with his normal logic.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Read the points I made:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/10/31/1786213/post-game-thread-madison-bumgarner-dominates-giants-one-win-away#50862784
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/10/31/1786213/post-game-thread-madison-bumgarner-dominates-giants-one-win-away#50863585
He wrote an article that points out all of the times the Giants were lucky, many of which weren’t really even luck, but actual skill plays (Cody Ross catching a flyball at the warning track isn’t “luck”), and not even doing the same for the Rangers (conveniently ignoring that liner that Hamilton had to dive to catch). He also contradicted himself in regards to a point on whether hard line drives that are lucky, based on which team it happened to
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Is the hate on Neyer the stupidest thing ever? I think it is. It’s not like he has said multiple times that the Giants are one of his favorites.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Except
For most of the year Andres played CF. In the beginning when Scott came back he was in LF/RF but after Scott was benched it was Andres.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Also
LOL Unbalanced schedule. Having coaches who only see these players maybe 12 times a year voting.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
But Gonzalez switched OF positions more than Torres did
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
His comment wasn’t serious. I mean, come on. Two sentences before he says:
The voters could have gone for Angel Pagan, except he’s a Met.
It’s actually a criticism of the voters.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Colorado’s Carlos Gonzalez pretty obviously won the Gold Glove with his bat. He deserves some credit for playing all three outfield positions…
They could have gone for Andres Torres, except he played somewhere different every day.
What?
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
what's the bat got to do with anything
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Well, his point there was that the voters choose among the best hitters at the position for the Gold Glove. The rest of it doesn’t make sense: Gonzalez deserves more credit for playing all three positions, but it’s hurt Torres’ chances of getting the award?
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
BIASED OPINION BY HIM!!!!!! obviously doesnt get it
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
It’s because you’re reading those comments in a serious tone, when they aren’t intended that way.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
For all the snark that gets thrown around here, you’d think people would be better able to recognizing it in others…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
*recognize
ugh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
So I take it that voting for Gold Gloves is like the election - the more fans you have, the more votes you get?
Phrickin Phillies.
Still waiting for the Kaboom of Doom, Sandoval.
by GforGiantsGilroyGarlicFries on Nov 10, 2010 1:18 PM PST reply actions
I can't get mad about this. The Giants won the World Series.
by Joe Metro on Nov 10, 2010 1:19 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Yes! (sorta)
I told myself I wasn’t going to care about gold gloves and ROY, because we won the series and these awards are consolation prizes, but I do anyway.
I think less of the Gold Gloves because I’ve come to accept they really don’t reward what they’re supposed to reward. While I still marvel at how the baseball writers got to arrogate to themselves the power to hand out the individual hardware titles, MVP, CY, and ROY have more cachet than the gloves. Or the Silver Slugger, which I cant even remember rewards what.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Golden Ball Boys
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
And Silver Stocking Girls.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 10, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Until that ring ceremony comes to pass...
i cant fully buy in to this whole Giants winning the WS hype…so sorry.
by iGotFiveOnIt on Nov 10, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
very much this
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 10, 2010 1:20 PM PST reply actions
OOps reply fail to Joe Metro
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Nov 10, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I like repeating myself. I'm smug like that.
Most of the MLB awards are jokes. There’s really no reason getting bent out of shape about them anymore. The talent evaluation of the game has evolved, the voters have not.
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
intellectually I know you’re right, but I can’t help but think of all those shiny HOF plaques that mention how many gold gloves a player has. Tough to reconcile that they’re all bullshit.
Some say that some cannot say because the Stig can make some not say what they want to say and all i want to say is i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say.
Hell, Omar still get a couple of votes at shortstop every year.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Nov 10, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I'm in this camp
MLB awards are basically useless.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
each additional installment
seems to push in that direction. Except the All-Star vote, that one is never wrong. Ever.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
except when Tim Lincecum wins the Cy Young
Or Buster wins ROY. Then they’re right.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Whatever... not gonna flip out over this
The ultimate award is the World Series, like Joe Metro said, everything else is just icing on the cake
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
This is proof of the conspiracy theory that I just now came up with that the Powers That Be are still mad that their favorite West Coast Team to Ignore just won the World Series, and so they will now never award the 2010 Giants any extra hardware. So don’t be surprised if Buster doesn’t get ROY. It just might go to some rookie nobody paid attention to, just out of spite.
(I know voting was probably done a long time ago, and I’d say that it doesn’t matter now because we got the ring, but I’d love to see these guys get honored for their individual performance, too. Torres was robbed.)
The San Francisco Giants are the 2010 World Series Champions, and I WAS THERE.
At home. To watch it. On my television. And I cried.
luck
pretty obvious answer.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
They were lucky
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
Because errors are not a good way to measure defense?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
But in fairness, good ways to measure defense ALSO liked us, and our run prevention overall was great!
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
That would actually be less offensive to me
Torres was very clearly one of the 3 best defensive OFs in the game, but a case can be made quite well for either Buster or Heyward.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Oh?
Heyward had him beat in OBP, wOBA, wRC+, WAR…
But other than that, yes, very clear.
Buster was very good. But Heyward was very good. Either one would be deserving.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wouldn't be surprised if Heyward won the award, just like i wouldn't be surprised
if Posey won the award as well… Should position have anything to do with the decision? Catcher being the more challenging position
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Sure
But remember that Buster played only 76 games at catcher – less than half a season.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yea, that's true, trying to see if
how he changed the pitching in the second half would make a difference too, along with posting up some pretty studly numbers offensively
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Well, he changed the pitching in the second half, as long as you pretend August didn’t happen. ;)
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
It's not primarily for anything
Voters can use whatever criteria they wish.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
buster had a better average. tied in homers and the only reason he had more RBI is because he played more. Heyward was in the spot to take walks while posey was hitting cleanup.
Your second point makes no sense
Who wants to walk the #2 hitter when the best hitters are coming up right after?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
- hitter is supposed to move the runner over or get on base so the guys behind him can drive him in. obviously getting on base means by the way of walks to.
Posey only had a .357 OBP to .393 for Heyward. But Posey had a better average, better slugging%, better OPS.
Yes, but comparative offensive value is not measured by how many categories one is superior in
Heyward’s OBP made him a better all-around offensive player.
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Oh look.
I wasn’t disappointed.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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This only establishes that the #2 hitter wants to walk. It doesn’t show that it’s easier to walk in that position.
If you’re arguing that Heyward put more emphasis on drawing walks than Posey then perhaps you’re right, but I don’t think that matters. Heyward’s walks gave him a better offensive year than Posey had, so Heyward deserves credit for drawing those walks.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Dude. It’s 2010. Heyward had a 138 wRC+. Posey a 131.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
haha rec’d
I have seen the future of Major League Baseball, and its name is Buster Posey.
by atxgiantsfan on Nov 10, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
another interesting note...
someone was arguing this on another forum. And a pro Hayward guy mentioned something that might actually work in favor of Buster. He said Buster may have had more of an impact of getting his team to the post season. He notes that when Heyward missed games due to injury, it was then that the Braves made their ascension to first place. He also thinks the position factor would be in favor of Buster as well.
Does this make Buster more deserving?
Or less?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Less – playing C is more valuable than playing 1B, so the games he spent at 1B made him less valuable.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I think he'll win it though. Dude had a higher BA and just as many dingers in 2 months less.
I’m sure a lot of voters saw that.
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Eh, the voters don’t do a good job, so no need in projecting our own logic to them. I’d say they probably voted for the guy who was hyped earlier – Heyward. Had Strasburg been healthy, he was probably a shoe-in.
(On a more logical note, Heyward’s WAR > Posey’s WAR)
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well he did play from the start.
If they both played the whole season, their WAR would probably be very similar. But, like I said, Buster had just as many home runs and a higher BA and even though those aren’t the best for evaluating a player, it’s probably what will win it for Buster.
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If Buster wins it, I believe you will be correct. I don’t think he will, though – all the sentiment at the end of the season (how long ago does THAT feel?!) was Heyward.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
heyward drew more walks
but buster did everything else better offensively. their counting stats were pretty much even despite Posey playing a lot less.
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
Yes, but
Heyward was so much better at drawing walks than Buster was that it offset Buster’s other skills – hence Heyward’s higher wOBA.
My only point is that this contest is not at all clear-cut.
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i agree
but i think posey has a better shot than Torres did at the gold glove because no one can agree on how to evaluate defense. posey’s case is also strengthened by the ass whooping the Giants gave heyward in the NLDS and the Giants winning it all.
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
Shouldn't win then
He cheated the game.
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by Giant Torture on Nov 10, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope we have this discussion again.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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"we" is subjective
I may be having this argument for the third time, but I’m arguing against new people!
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He gets my vote, but it’s not that clear.
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
i think i might have to buy a case to whomever thought he'd win it
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Todd Hollandsworth is the shoo-in...
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by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
He actually was the best rookie if you go by the one who played the best without regard to playing time….
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
I.C.
WYDT
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by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Gaby Sanchez
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I would be ok with this, if only for the hit he put on Nyjer punkass Morgan.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
One could argue that he was better than any AL rookie
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Jackson had a .396 BABIP
That’s incredibly lucky
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I know.
That definitely affects any future projections for him, but I’m not going to penalize him for it this year. Hamilton had a .390 BABIP, but I’d still vote him for the MVP. Jackson also played good defense at a premium position.
As a Rangers fan, I'm going to ignore all things Baltimore...
(4-game sweep before the All-Star Break that included a shellacking of the newly-acquired Cliff Lee)
Actually, I just forgot.
Wait, really?
I guess I didn’t pay much attention but I thought he was a solid-regular type
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He had a hot start if I remember
So he was probably downward trending. His OBP was near .400 early in the year IIRC.
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Posey could win but...
except he played somewhere different every day.
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by slurpster03 on Nov 10, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Meh
If Heyward wins it I won’t be upset, I’ll be disappointed but not as pissed as I am now.
/Strasburg gets ROY
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
GOLD GLOVE OUTFIELD
They don’t give out gold gloves for a specific outfield spot. You just get a gold glove for playing in the outfield.
Sure, Torres got robbed. And Heyward will probably win the NL ROY in a few days.
And you know what? It doesn’t mean a thing. Who votes for GG? Coaches? What the fuck do they know? Who votes for the ROY? Baseball writers? Is there a more pathetic collection of people on the planet, with the exception of Baggs, Grant, Xanthan and BVCE. No, the only thing that any baseball fan will remember 15 years from now is who won the 2010 World Series.
And as any baseball fan will tell you in 2025, the Phillies won the Series in 2010, because they were unstoppable.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Torres should have got it for the same reason jeter did...
He looks soooo sexy out there…..
by IRONxMIKE on Nov 10, 2010 1:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
hankschulman
No quarrel with NL Gold Gloves, but Torres had no chance. It’s all reputation plus offense. Writers put far more thought into BBWAA awards.
/Hank pats his back
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Writers?
Isn’t it voted on by the managers?
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 10, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
The system is inefficient and terrible..
I will embrace it, accept it, and agree with it.
/Schulmaned
That's too bad, a golden glove would have looked nice with his World Series ring
Provided he didn’t wear them both on the same hand
Come now, he’d wear both around his neck and you know it.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
And what?
I didn’t know Runzler was in the AFL
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
They added him after the WS if memory serves
Are they using him as a reliever?
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For the last 50+ years...
We cared about the postseason awards.
I just can’t seem to muster the same enthusiasm for some crappy individual popularity award.
The Giants won the award that rewards the best team.
That’s plenty for one year.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
If by chance
Tommy Joseph develops into a legitimate power hitter, where does he play? I’ve heard he projects more of a first baseman.
Can Belt play the outfield well enough to make room for him?
Belt has decent speed and seems like he could handle LF at AT&T but Joseph would definitely have to move to 1B he’s pretty terrible behind the plate.
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from what i’ve heard, he’d be pretty clank out there
by panda revival on Nov 10, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Looking at him he doesn’t seem like a very athletic guy. From the scouting reports I’ve seen of him he doesn’t move that well. He’s be Burrellesque out there I think. If he ever makes it to the majors he’d have to play 1B I doubt he’d be able to handle the OF.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Maybe
I think if he has the ability to make it to the bigs, he really is a DH. He’s very slow and will only get slower. Maybe he can handle 1B but I think really he’d have to be amazing with the bat for a team to overlook the clank. If he puts it together hitting wise and the power is legit I kind of think of him as being an Adam Dunn like player. Good bat, shitty defense.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Joseph’s speed and quickness make Burrell and Dunn look like greyhounds in comparison. He could never be an OF in the majors. He will never play in SF as long as Buster and Belt are on the team. Right now the best we can hope for is that his power grows and his K’s decline enough that we can trade him to another team that needs a catcher or a DH.
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correct
without the OOC body mass. The big issue is that he doesn’t have the fast-twitch muscle fibers that most good major league hitters and players have. No big deal, we still have Belt and Wheeler from that draft class.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I had thought this too
But all indications are that the Giants intend to keep him behind the plate.
His numbers this year sucked out loud. Worry about his position down the road.
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There is no way he can stay at catcher. He’s horrible defensively. 6 Errors and 19 PB this season in Augusta.
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Isn't he, like, 21 or something?
He can get better. If they were so concerned about his catching, they probably would have moved him off it by now.
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He is really young
I believe he’s 18, but honestly he isn’t a very athletic guy. He’s not very agile behind the plate as it is and as he get’s older it won’t get better. He’s very sloppy behind the plate as well. I’m trying to find it but he did end up playing 1B for 10 games. I can’t tell if he played there at the end of the season or mixed in. But all signs point to he won’t stick behind the plate in the future.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
He was 19 this year
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Gotcha
AKA, right around the time Buster picked up catching, eh?
Send this kid to FSU
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At least send him back to Augusta for another year there
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From what I’ve heard (forget where) they experimented with Belt in LF, but now feel that if he has a future it is at 1B. Again, sorry no link.
Catcher
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I'm pissed that Andres didn't win it.
He’s probably my favorite player on the team.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Nov 10, 2010 2:05 PM PST reply actions
i thought
jimmy carter was history’s greatest monster.
by PocketfullofPoseys on Nov 10, 2010 2:12 PM PST reply actions
I'm too lazy to look up Brandon Phillips' defensive metrics...
but is there any outrage Mole didn’t get GG at 2nd?
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Nov 10, 2010 2:12 PM PST reply actions
I would be outraged
But remember he missed the beginning of the season.
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I honestly didn’t believe Mole had a chance at a GG because he isn’t that well known and was injured, but he definitely played GG defense. I’m very shocked that Utley still hasn’t gotten one.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Ironically
Utley got jobbed. Phillips was 2nd in UZR and UZR/150
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This post was hilarious. Gold Gloves are stupid. Torres is awesome.
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FWIW, The Fielding Bible has Torres #10 in CF.
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Brandon Belt, 1B, Giants: Hitting .365/.414/.571 in Arizona. I think he’s completely legitimate…he’s surprisingly fast and agile for a big player, and his swing is totally reworked since he was in college. Likely getting a Grade A- for me, and possibly the best first base prospect not named Hosmer.
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Sign Huff for Left Field and put Belt at 1B for next year?
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Yes but keep Belt in AAA for a bit. If not until June so he can avoid Super 2. If they don’t care about that, keep him down in the minors for maybe a month to push back his FA clock.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Start the year with Ish at 1B?
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If Huff departs, how about Panda at first? His defense at third keeps getting criticised, and he is similar to Fielder in size. I am always surprised at how well Fielder moves for his size. That would be one way to keep his bat in the lineup, and Uribe is good at third.
Pablo's better at 3rd actually (see fangraphs numbers and shet).
Eh, if Huff leaves :( call up Belt.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
*Better at 3rd compared to 1st
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Pablo's only played 414 innings at 1st
so the fangraphs numbers are highly suspect. However, they show him having a 3.3 career UZR/150 at first compared with -0.5 at first.
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by EliminateMe on Nov 11, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
At first it looks that way, but upon closer reflection, I think he is worse at first, than at first.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I told you they were suspect.
That, of course, should read “…compared with -0.5 at third.”
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Brandon Belt.
People need to stop giving away 1B to Pablo or Posey or Victor Martinez. Brandon Belt. The Giants have had like two A/A- hitting prospects in the last two decades; I know we’re still bathing in the unearthly afterglow of Posey’s ascent from the heavens, but for the first time in my memory there’s more up there.
Huff can man 1B while Belt is in AAA. But this where things get tricky . Do you re-sign Burrell? Because either way when Belt comes up, Burrell’s going to have to sit on the bench, there will be no room for him.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I’m wondering if he’d be a bit expensive for a bench player. And with Rowand presumably returning in that role, along with Ross, that’s a pretty expensive outfield bench. I think if the Giants expect to bench Pat they should just not re-sign him, even if I love him so.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
What about Schierholtz to start the year in RF with Cody Ross in LF?
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It depends
But Nate really hasn’t proven much with the bat. It all depends on how long Belt will be in AAA too.
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I don’t know if I’d be willing to tempt faith for a 2nd straight year with the Wild Kingdom Defense
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They are going to tender Ross a contract.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Absolutely
But Ross doesn’t have to be an everyday starter – his numbers against righties are not very good.
Besides, if you had Burrell-Torres-Huff, that’d be three OFs above 30. Ross will get plenty of starts.
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SSS and Roy Halladay say otherwise.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Career numbers say he's a below average hitter vs RHP
Not bad with plus defense, of course, but no reason not to try to upgrade his position.
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unf
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by Johnny Disaster on Nov 10, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I am completely mesmerized by this
http://www.baseballanalytics.org/baseball-analytics-blog/2010/11/10/downfall-of-a-goliath.html
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I’d love to see something like that for Pablo. Still can’t figure out why he just stopped hitting the ball so hard.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
This is what Timmy sees when he's on the mound
He’s mezmerized too and that’s why he forgets to check runners
The thong is, it happened.
I CAN SEE THE HITTER'S STRIKE ZONE AURA
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QUARK-GLUON PLASMA
IT HAS BEEN RECREATED
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
He hit a fly ball 400 feet
at a pitch a foot or two away from his face?
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Spectacular off-season post
Thanks for the laugh, needed it.
Belt and Culberson's line today:
Belt: 3-4; 2 BB, 2 Runs 2 Ribeyez,. 1 Triple 1 Double
Culberson: 0-5, 1 BB 2 Ks
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
But Belt made an out in his last at bat! Downward trend!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
This is old
But one of the best newspaper columnists has a story on Cody Ross.
The people in the bar, drunk and happy people who don’t know you are nearby, drunk and happy people who don’t know you can hear them, drunk and happy people who are drunk and happy because you made them drunk and happy, are chanting your name. Singing it. Two syllables, again and again. Co . . . dy! . . . Co . . . dy! . . . Co . . .dy! It is just about the greatest song you’ve ever heard.
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Thank you
Excellent. And I agree with you about Le Batard. I’ll always appreciate the guts it took to write this:
Posted on Mon, May. 29, 2006
Bonds not liked, but he’s the best
By Dan Le Batard
dlebatard@MiamiHerald.com
Steroids or no steroids, jerk or no jerk, outraged national hysteria or no outraged national hysteria, Barry Bonds is the best baseball player I’ve ever seen. He is Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Lance Armstrong, Pelé. And that is not diluted for me by all the angry noise that surrounds him now in a sports climate in which we derive a little too much glee from shouting ‘’Cheater!’’ and ‘’Liar!’’ and ``Fraud!’’
Do I like Bonds? Not particularly, although I can’t really pretend to know him based on the dozen interviews I’ve had with him in a decade. But I do admire him. I think he is to baseball what Einstein is to genius. I think he is better at what he does for a living than just about everyone on this planet is at what they do for a living. And I wouldn’t be covering sports as a livelihood — or wouldn’t be doing it with any joy, anyway — if I didn’t admire and respect this kind of unprecedented excellence.
STILL OBJECTIVE
Does my admiration cloud my judgment? No. I try to be discerning, not judgmental, about how I cover sports. I fail sometimes. But I try. A personality, no matter how prickly or personable, does not alter my view of his production. It would be ideal if everyone in sports were gentlemen like Derek Jeter and Tiger Woods. Boring. But ideal. That’s unrealistic, obviously, but we continually try to make sports a utopia unlike any other workplace.
I believe sports fans, still viewing this big-business entertainment through a child’s eyes, still escaping to the playpen away from Enron and a war in Iraq, allow like and dislike to get in the way. The excellence of abrasive types such as Bonds and Terrell Owens somehow are diminished because they aren’t easy to like. We probably wouldn’t be quite as outraged if we somehow learned that saintly Cal Ripken Jr., owner of a sacred number in our most numerical game, had stayed healthy with the help of dianobol.
Ah, yes, steroids. They confuse matters today, don’t they? As Bonds passes the boozy, debaucherous legend Babe Ruth. And this is the part of the column where, amid all the howling, I have to point out a few things, because anything these days that isn’t angrily anti-Bonds is somehow viewed as apology.
I don’t condemn Bonds’ behavior. That doesn’t mean I condone it. I try to explain his behavior. That doesn’t mean I excuse it. Andre Agassi calls ’’empathy’’ the trait he most values in other human beings, so all I try to do with Bonds is what I do with most human behavior. I try to understand it. There are plenty of people yelling about Bonds today. It isn’t interesting to me.
What is interesting to me is the fascinating storm that swirls around Bonds and why and how he got sucked into it. He was baseball’s best player. And a bunch of pharmacy freaks saved his sport, overshadowing him and his unprecedented achievement while he was becoming the only player to reach 400 homers and 400 steals. That made him jealous. Small? Absolutely. But human, too. You wouldn’t like being the best at your job and watching others blow past you for promotions.
Bonds was a product of his environment. His godfather, the god Willie Mays, says he probably would have tried steroids if they were available in his day, too. Most athletes would if there were no repercussions, as there weren’t in baseball. It is why we have refs, managers, officials, bosses in sports. People as competitive as athletes can’t be trusted to police themselves.
But the steroid era was the wild, wild best. Jose Canseco’s estimate that 80 percent of the league was using doesn’t sound absurd anymore. That’s baseball’s fault, not Bonds’. He was doing what aging athletes do — trying to keep up. The surprise isn’t that someone in this competitive and ruleless ecosystem would go through the pharmacy to heal and get stronger. The surprise is that all of them didn’t.
NO EXCUSES
Again, that’s an explanation, not an excuse. You shouldn’t do illegal things. That goes without saying. But you show me an athlete or coach who is making too many moral stands, and I’ll show you an athlete or coach who is losing to the guys who aren’t. Baseball created the climate of cheat or lose, not Bonds.
So now he takes his place one home run beyond the immortal Babe Ruth, as enormous a sports legend as America has ever seen.
It is your right to view this as tainted, smeared and fraudulent. It doesn’t alter my view, though.
He is the best I’ve ever seen.
I love how this sentence looks today: “It would be ideal if everyone in sports were gentlemen like Derek Jeter and Tiger Woods.”
Sadly, the only place I can find this column now…
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Nov 10, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
That’s good. Rec’ed because it deserves it.
And yeah, I spotted the Tiger Woods sentence too. Man, that story took a strange turn.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Rec for calling Tiger a gentleman! I love the contrast between Woods in this article and Bonds and how it highlights how certain individuals (the ones who are caught) are scapegoated while many of our heroes really aren’t the person we try to make them out to be. Like the rest of us, they make mistakes, and sometimes big ones. Why we judge who they are as an athlete by these mistakes we know about (while ignoring the ones we don’t) is…..well, I don’t know what it is. Interesting? Sad? Naive? A lot of words could fit there…
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Wow . . .
That Le Batard work on Ross is the best feature story I have seen about the World Series. Thanks.
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 10, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
I just want to say now that I’m not going to have any patience for people acting as though it’s an outrage if Heyward edges Posey to win the ROTY.
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Like I said above
MLB awards mean nothing to me. IMO, the only sports where MVP and ROY awards matter are basketball and hockey.
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Even basketball awards are often stupid. They’re actually a lot like baseball awards – heavily influenced by reputation and the perception of a players value is very heavily skewed by one thing – only instead of that being bad measures of offense like it is in baseball (BA, HR’s, RBI’s, whatever else), it’s bad measures of offense for basketball (PPG)….
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Rob Neyer will write a column on it
so you better believe there will be outrage.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
And he will say . . .
Heyward deserves it because he got on base a lot more than Buster. And he will be consistent with his principles to say so. We should all prepare to get over it.
Not that I’m not rooting for Buster . . .
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 10, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
He already did
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/5726/tough-choice-for-n-l-rookie-of-the-year
I don’t think there’s a wrong answer here. I really don’t. I just think that Jason Heyward is ever so slightly more right.
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by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
/pushes you
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 10, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Also
Come on. Won’t it be awesome is Posey scoops the ROY, wins 4 MVPs, 10 GGs and goes down as the greatest catcher of all time? WOULDN’T THAT BE PEACHY? OR MAYBE NOT BECAUSE CLEARLY YOU DON’T WANT IT AND HAVE POSSIBLY SLIPPED POLONIUM-210 INTO HIS GATORADE?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Is that a PED?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds pretty radioactive…
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by theghostofjasonellison on Nov 10, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
The ROY would be nice
Just because I’ve never had one during my tenure as a partisan fan. Like that one MVP from Mitchell. And the no-hitter, and these last couple of Cy Youngs. And the Series win, obviously.
I’ve seen Giants players win GGs before, so I’m not sweating the Torres snub that much.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Nov 10, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’m prematurely outraged.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 10, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
This – either is a valid pick, although I think I’d go with Heyward by a nose objectively.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Shift whatever
Oh for crying out loud!
It’s a Gold Glove Award, not a Supreme Court nomination.
IT"S NOT A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT!!!
/end rant
The thong is, it happened.
Derek Jeter
begs to differ re “lifetime appointment”…
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by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
next to the "any" key
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Another reason why the WORLD SERIES TROPHY is the only award that matters.
Because consolation prizes still blow….
DELIVERY MAN OF THE YEAR: Bell converted 47 of 50 save opportunities this season, placing him one behind Giants closer Brian Wilson, who led the league. . .Bell’s save total was the second-highest single-season total for a Padres reliever, trailing only Trevor Hoffman’s 53-save campaign in 1998.
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That’s kind of a joke, Wilson had a better year in pretty much every regard.
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Brian was better by baseball-reference’s WAR, as well as aLI, so I don’t think it’s a slam dunk that Marmol was better than Wilson (you could argue either way.)
Both were better than Bell though
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Wilson and Marmol were pretty equal in WPA.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
WPA takes all the problems that ERA has, then adds a few new ones. It has a fancy name, but it doesn’t mean it’s terribly useful.
It has its issues, but I think it’s probably more useful for closers than any other position? (This is not to say it’s a great stat for that, or anything.)
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WPA is a great stat. You just have to know what it tells you. I use it because it gives you the context most other stats are missing – it essentially tells you the situations they came into, and the results when they pitched. When Marmol (and Wilson) came into the game, they came in in very leveraged situations often, and they got out of them. Only 3 other relief pitchers had the win probability shift more in favor of their team when they were on the mound than Wilson and Marmol. One of them actually happens to be Heath Bell. If a stat can tell you that, I don’t see how anyone can say it’s not useful or isn’t a great stat. That’s a great thing to know.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, average home run distance is also a great stat, but that doesn’t mean it should be brought up in MVP discussion. It’s interesting, but I don’t think it’s relevant.
How is it not relevant? I don’t understand that at all. It’s not home run distance. We’re talking about what you did to help your team win games. That’s what they play for, right? I’m not advocating using it all by itself, but it definitely supplements whatever else you want to use. Take linear weights, for example. They assign the same run value to a given event, regardless of when it happens. Only sometimes a home run wins you the game, and sometimes a home run is in the 7th inning of a 10 game blowout and is irrelevant. That’s what WPA is for. It helps tell you how much of that context neutral production happened “when it matters” compared to when it doesn’t. In terms of winning games…..it matters. Same concept applies to pitching WPA. It allows us to see how a pitchers performance actually impacted the team winning games or not. Coming into the 9th inning and striking out the side with a 3 run lead? Meh. Come into the 8th inning with bases loaded and 1 out and a one run lead and get 5 outs without them scoring? Yeah, that helps your team win a whole hell of a lot. And that’s exactly what WPA is telling us. It’s a great stat.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
The trouble is that it’s so variable, it’s a terrible predictor for future performance, and it gives credit for great fielding to the pitcher (and penalises the pitcher for others’ fielding errors), etc etc.
However, saves are even more rubbish, for all the reasons you give. I can’t think of a single way in which saves is a better stat than WPA. So even though I hate WPA, and would prefer it if people just used FIP instead, I will say that it does what “Saves” is supposed to do, much better than “Saves” does.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
But the point isn’t just to predict future performance. We’re trying to reward past performance here, and WPA adds a whole lot of interesting knowledge for that.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
In my head, if something happens that isn’t predictive of future performance, then it wasn’t caused by skill (or “past performance”). To me, it falls under the category of “stuff that happened while the player was present”.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
So let’s say a pitcher throws a slider down and in that he gets the hitter to swing at. Hitter pops it up to 2B. 2B makes the routine catch. No, he can’t do that every single time, but he got the out that one time. Maybe it was a bases loaded situation with 2 outs up by 1 in the 9th. How do you not give the pitcher credit for that?
The whole idea that something needs to be predictive to indicate a players control over it is ridiculous. When Cody Ross goes on a tear in the postseason, that’s not predictive of his talent level, but it fucking matters and did a whole lot to win us a World Series. Denying that is ignoring a huge part of what goes into winning games, and what players contribute to winning games. Things that are descriptive and things that describe the past are often quite different – it’s the nature of statistics. Ignoring everything that isn’t best suited for predicting the future is ignoring a whole lot of good information on how teams won/lost games.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
And ultimately, we play to win the game, right? Skills matter in how they lead to production (and the more skilled player should produce more over the long term), but in limited samples, it’s the production that matters to winning, not necessarily the underlying skill.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
So you're ok . . .
. . . with rewarding luck over skill? “Better to be lucky than good”?
The idea of weighting performance by leverage is meaningless unless one assumes that “clutch performance” is real, because otherwise it is a man’s cumulative performance (given a large enough sample size) that reflects his general ability; and while that general ability applied in particular cases can give variable results—from chance—that variability is random and meaningless.
Putting it more simply, if we are calling “heads” and we win 6 out of 10, do we “reward” that coin for coming up “clutch” for us?
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I don’t think he’s talking about rewarding luck so much as recognizing contribution. The way I read it, he’s saying that as time goes on, the amount that luck plays into total contribution is generally pretty small. But over short periods of time, luck can be a much greater factor, and disposing those moments because they don’t necessarily demonstrate a repeatable skill is, again in the short term, a good way to ignore some really significant events.
Putting it more simply, if we are calling “heads” and we win 6 out of 10, do we discard the sixth head because it’s not predictive of future success?
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by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
We’ll wait for him to come back below, but the point I’ve been making is that if that’s what you want to do, WPA doesn’t do it.
Using your coin toss analogy, if the sequence is:
HHHHHHTTTTT
you want to at least acknowledge that the 6th head happened, even if it’s luck. But WPA doesn’t! Or at least, only barely. Because heads were miles ahead at that point, it considers the 6th head almost worthless.
I’m just not clear what we are using WPA for. It feels like we are just looking at clutch spots but trying to convince ourselves we are looking at something bigger.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 11, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I see your point.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 11, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
It allows us to see how a pitchers performance actually impacted the team winning games or not.
Not really. It tells you how the win expectancy changed while the pitcher was pitching, regardless of who was responsible for the change.
Right.
You just have to know what it tells you. I use it because it gives you the context most other stats are missing – it essentially tells you the situations they came into, and the results when they pitched.
I’m well aware what it tells you. And it blows my mind how someone who understands what it’s telling you doesn’t see the value in that knowledge. It adds the context of what happened at the team level in terms of winning and losing better than anything else we have. Since the end goal is to win the game….that knowledge is important. Yes, trying to isolate an individual’s contributions is very important, but realistically, doing it while adding an accurate measure of context is impossible….so for context, we need WPA.
And like I said, it’s a supplemental piece of information. If you know someone pitched well (like FIP tells you that), then you check WPA to see if his performance mattered when the team needs it the most. From that perspective, yes, it tells you how the pitchers performance (which we generally know) actually mattered towards winning and losing (which something like FIP doesn’t tell us). Plus all those things like what happens to balls in play, sequencing, etc that we claim “aren’t in a pitchers control” (not an accurate description, by the way, it’s more accurate to say the performance is not sustainable going forward) that are important to winning and losing will be captured in WPA. They matter.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
The biggest argument to be made against WPA for relievers is that it doesn’t really say anything about the quality of defensive support that was given to the pitcher.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, which is why you don’t use it by itself.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Every stat is fine so long as you use more.
They’re like spices in a recipe or notes in a song.
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And we need to keep in mind that in different situations, we want to know different things, so we need a full spice rack of statistics to tell us what we want to know in a given situation. Sometimes we want to best predict future performance (like if we’re handing out a contract to a player). Sometimes all we care about is how a player impacted wins and losses in the past. Sometimes we just want to tell a story about a game. Some people might prefer context neutral stats, others might want to know the context the performance came in.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like to think that the past is the past.
It’s much easier to be optimistic about the future that way. It helped me like Aubrey Huff when we signed him in the first place.
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Of course it has value (even W/L records have value), but it’s just not useful in this case. WPA doesn’t help us solve the question of who was the best reliever in 2010, which makes it irrelevant in a discussion about who was the best reliever in 2010. .
How does it not help solve the equation of who was the best reliever in 2010? W/L records don’t matter – everything about a W/L record can be added with other, better stats. WPA tells us something unique. It helps us understand how a players production mattered in the context of the team winning or losing baseball games. If you find that irrelevant, I honestly have no idea what to tell you.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
No it does not. It shows you what happened in the game while the pitcher was on the mound. There is a difference.
Why not have catchers’ WPA? While Buster Posey played catcher in the 9th inning of a 1-0 game, the team’s Win Expectancy went from 75% to 100%. He was obviously part of that – he should get a 0.25 WPA for that.
Of course, it’s ridiculous to claim that he was responsible for all of that 25% increase, but so what? His performance in that inning affected the team in way that, eventually, caused it to win a game they had 75% of winning. His catchers’ WPA of .25 would show us how his “performance actually mattered towards winning and losing”. There is no doubting that.
Obviously pitchers have more control over what happens in an inning than catchers. But so what? Pitchers affect the game, as does every single other player on the field. They affect it more than any other player – more than all the other players combined, in fact – but to give them give them credit for everything that happens while they pitch is ridiculous.
Over careers it has value. In 70 innings, it’s a bit silly.
It shows you what happened in the game while the pitcher was on the mound. There is a difference.
Dude, I get it:
it essentially tells you the situations they came into, and the results when they pitched
I know what it tells you. And that something is important. There’s a whole lot more that goes into team success than what a context neutral stat like FIP can tell you. Those things might be “lucky” in the way we stat people like to describe luck, but they happened, and they matter, and WPA helps us understand how the performance itself mattered to the team results.
And again, I’ve said it’s a supplemental stat. Of course it has the issue of splitting up credit. That’s fine. That’s why you use other stats with it. But what happened when the pitcher was on the mound still matters.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Can you give an example of using the stat, showing the extent to which you would use it?
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for asking, I was actually thinking about doing that!
Ok, so let’s look at it for a couple of hitters (this is slightly different because the issue of dividing credit isn’t as big with hitting as with pitching):
Jayson Werth – last year, he was a 135 wRC+ hitter. This year 150. So that gives us an idea of his “performance”.
Ryan Howard – 143 and 129, respectively. So both good hitters, Werth outperformed Howard when it came to our performance stats, though, by a bit. Jayson Werth put up WPA’s of 1.40 and 3.01, though – this year he was tied for 8th in wRC+, but only 22nd in WPA. What does this tell us? His performance didn’t help his team as much as his wRC+ suggests. He was still good, but not as good. Ryan Howard, on the other hand, posted a 6.03 WPA last year and 1.78 this year. So this year, his performance also didn’t help his team as much as it normally would. Last year, though? He was 4th in the league in WPA. He racked up a number of big hits, and ultimately helped his team win a lot more than his wRC+ suggests. No, it might not be talent, it might not be sustainable, it might not be predictive, but it happened, and it helped the Phillies win.
Let’s look at an example with pitchers. Romo and Wilson. Wilson had a fantastic performance on the season – 2.19 FIP. We also know he was used well from watching – over 2 pLI, which is the kind of leverage you want out of an ace reliever and indicates you’re using him properly. The results? One of the highest WPA’s out there, which of course we’d know by watching, but for someone who didn’t watch, it tells them that his performance came when it mattered. The hits and HR’s that happened, the walks he gave up – they didn’t come disproportionately in bad situations, and the strikeouts didn’t come in situations that don’t matter. In short, his performance lead to the team results you’d hope for. He was great.
Sergio Romo. Now, let me preface this by saying I’m still a romosexual. He had a bad year, though. His FIP was still 2.95, and his ERA was even lower at 2.18 which may suggest things like sequencing went in his favor (though it might just be a result of relievers letting in inherited runners rather than their own). His WPA tells us a completely different story, though – it tells the story of a pitcher who didn’t help us win very much. He only let up 6 HR’s, but they were big ones, they hurt. His performance was misleading in terms of how it helped us win – it didn’t do nearly as much as you’d expect. Games like May 4 against Florida hurt. That’s why I love WPA. We can use it to take a given performance, and fit it to the story of how our team did this season. FIP is great and all, but if we’re trying to reward the past, it leaves out a whole lot of stuff that matters to winning games – stuff like sequencing, which isn’t sustainable going forward, but made a huge difference in the past. WPA fills in those blanks for us. It helps put the individual performance into the context of the teams performance. Since teams win and lose games, not individuals, it’s important.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
His WPA tells us a completely different story, though – it tells the story of a pitcher who didn’t help us win very much. He only let up 6 HR’s, but they were big ones, they hurt.
OK, but here’s my issues:
(1) All the points you make don’t actually come from the total season WPA, but individual games and other stats. The first thing you do is go straight to another stat. And you have to – Romo’s WPA was 0.8, but if there was one play in one game where (say, Velez) dropped an easy play in the bottom of the 9th with two outs, bases loaded in a 1 run game, or made a stupendously good one (err….hypothetically), that WPA could have changed to -0.2 or +1.8.
That’s a major problem with WPA – you’ve no idea what the number means until you go back and check the raw data, which defeats the purposes of a statistic.
Clearly that’s rare in practice, but when I was looking last night there was one pitcher for whom 3 of his top 6 WPA on the season were caught stealing.
(2) You keep saying that we have to reward was happens in the past, but we don’t. Consider this example, using NFL football: the odds of winning an overtime game go up something like 7% (as I recall) if you win the cointoss. So: Vernon Davis calls heads, the coin lands heads, and I award VD a 0.07 WPA right there and then.
No, it might not be talent, it might not be sustainable, it might not be predictive, but it happened, and it helped the 49ers win.
I know part of your answer is that pitchers have a little control over things, but that is contrary to your overall point: that we are trying to identify what actually happened. If a pitcher has control over an extra say 5% of BIP resulting in outs, then 95% of the time what actually happened has nothing to do with the pitcher.
(3) You want to reward the things that gave us victories. Consider this example: A terrible starting pitcher (we’ll call him Taawwwwdddd) gives up 6 runs in the top of the 1st. He’s replaced by another pitcher, who I’ll call OMGMadBum. OMGMadBum gets 27 straight strikeouts, but in the bottom of the 9th it’s still 6-0. The Giants then rally, scoring 7 runs in the bottom of the 9th.
How much credit does OMGMadBum deserve for the win? It checks all your boxes: it happened, and it helped us win. Yet you give almost no credit. The guy who went 1-5 (but hit the game winning RBI) gets huge credit.
If your aim is to reward past performance, to identify those who helped us towards a win, WPA doesn’t do that. WPA measures performance when everybody knows the game was one the line; that is a different thing from what you claim to want to measure.
(4) Why are wins your unit of choice? You said earlier we play baseball to win games, but actually that’s not actually the primary focus. They play baseball to make the playoffs and win the World Series. On any day, managers will make non-optimal decisions that sacrifice a single game’s chances in exchange for long term success – i.e. days off, giving up in blowouts, etc.
And of course, world series probability added gives a totally different result to the sum of WPA. Because “Games like May 4 against Florida” don’t hurt WSPA – too early in the season.
(5) What having a higher WPA than your stats would indicate implies is simply clutch. The clutch stat on Fangraphs is better for this purpose – it avoids the issue of WPA being a counting stat.
For example, on Romo, his WPA was 0.8. If this didn’t happen, he’d have the third best WPA for a reliever on the Giants.
Is that good? Is that bad? It’s hard to say with such a diluted figure. His clutch, OTOH was barely negative, -0.1. If Velez doesn’t drop that ball, Romo would have been “clutch” this year.
This is the kind of disinformation a stat that WPA can spread.
(6)
Since teams win and lose games, not individuals, it’s important.
This is a really strange comment in the context of WPA, because WPA does exactly the opposite. It allocates all of the win to an individual, really than a team. If you win a game 9-8, with 9 different players hitting a solo HR, which run was most important? WPA has an answer: the last individual, by far. Is that consistent with your statement?
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 11, 2010 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, I don’t have the time to give a thought out answer to this now, but if you can reply to this comment with something just to remind me about it, I’ll respond when I get the chance.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
From that perspective, yes, it tells you how the pitchers performance
Again, it tells you how the defence’s performance, as a whole.
While I agree all the things you list are worthy goals, the issue is the enormous standard deviations that apply to WPA. WPA is just far, far too diluted to give the information that you claim it does. It’s dominated by the results of a couple of situations – a single error by a centre fielder could cost a closer half of his WPA for the entire season, though no fault of his own. You can’t possibly make any reasoned analysis of a players performance using a stat that has such a massive standard deviation.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see a problem with enormous standard deviation, nor do I degree that standard deviation is primarily caused by things legitimately out of the pitchers control. The standard deviation comes from the context….because, well, baseball is a variable game, and WPA is a reflection of that. That’s not a problem.
And thanks for cutting my quote off. The rest of that sentence matters quite a bit and changes the meaning of it.
it tells you how the pitchers performance (which we generally know) actually mattered towards winning and losing (which something like FIP doesn’t tell us)
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
WPA is a fantastic story telling stat.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Marmol had to have one of the most ridiculous and unique seasons ever, right? I mean, 16 K/9 and 6 BB/9? Absurd!
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
Just for that reason (and my own bias, I’ll admit), I’m inclined to lean Wilson. Even with almost 2 Ks per 9, I don’t know if I could ever be comfortable with a guy who walks that many hitters!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I wonder what it was like to witness that kind of ridiculousness…
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Hitters hit .220/.288/.309 against Wilson and .147/.301/.199 (!!!) against Marmol. And Marmol did it in a tougher park, and didn’t have our defense.
I don’t know if it’s a slam dunk, but I don’t think the difference between Marmol and Wilson was smaller than the difference between Wilson and Bell.
Honestly, I think all 3 were fantastic and I wouldn’t complain about any of them being rewarded for their performance.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
I love the doubled rate of OBP over BA for Marmol
Simply fascinating.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Everything about his season was fascinating…
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
I had no idea that Wilson lead the league in saves.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
2010 World Series Champions San Francisco Giants
The Giants won the World Series.
I can't fight this feeling anymore!
by ResDog on Nov 10, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
OT: Dodgers re-sign Ted Lilly
3yr/$33mil
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
Didn’t that happen a couple weeks ago?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
it might have
BUT THAT DOESN’T MAKE IT ANY LESS TRUE
(i just read about it)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
"ZIPS Is Indeed Supose To Science." --GRM
as someone who comes here for news, I’d like a refund.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 10, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
We’re doomed
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
They had to . . .
He outpaced Zito for the coveted “Most Pitches Less than 80mph” NL crown, non-knuckleballer division (1484 to 1451). (R.A. Dickey had 1868.)
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Nov 10, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Someone already posted this right
Middle infielder Tsuyoshi Nishioka is likely to be made available to major league clubs by the Chiba Lotte Marines in the near future and the Dodgers are his preferred landing spot, according to a baseball source close to him who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Nishioka wants to play on the West Coast and is also interested in playing for the San Francisco Giants, San Diego Padres and Arizona Diamondbacks, the source said.
The Dodgers are known to have scouted Nishioka, a 26-year-old switch-hitting shortstop who led Japan’s Pacific League in hitting this year with a .346 average. In the majors, Nishioka could be moved to second base, a position he played at the 2006 World Baseball Classic.
The Dodgers could use depth in the middle of their infield. Shortstop Rafael Furcal has a history of back problems and second baseman Ryan Theriot might not be tendered a contract.
It’s unknown whether the Dodgers have the necessary financial resources to land Nishioka.
If Nishioka is "posted" by the Marines, as multiple sources expect him to be, Major League Baseball will hold a four-day silent auction during which teams can submit sealed bids to win exclusive negotiating rights with him. The team with the winning bid will have a 30-day window to agree on a contract with the player. If a deal is reached, the Marines will receive the posting fee in exchange for him.
More on Nishioka
In the field
Nishioka has two Gold Gloves on his resume, awarded in 2005 (as a second baseman) and 2007 (as a shortstop). My observation is that he really has great range, but his arm is a somewhat below average as a shortstop. Nishioka’s 2010 fielding results illustrate how traditional stats can be misleading — he lead Pacific League shortstops in errors with 19 and finished last in fielding percentage at .972, but he also had more assists (440) and put-outs (222) than anyone else (data taken from this Japanese blog). The fact that he played every inning in 2010 helps his accumulated stats, though. Overall though, Nishioka feels more like a second baseman to me in MLB. And the standard disclaimer about adapting from turf to natural grass applies.
At the plate
After a career filled with nagging wrist, knee and neck injuries, 2010 was the first season that Nishioka was healthy enough to play a full, 144-game schedule, and he responded with a career year. Notably, he lead the Pacific League in hits with 206, becaming the second Pacific Leaguer to surpass the 200 hit mark (the first was someone you’ve heard of). He posted a career highs in all three slash categories, at .346/.423/.482 easily eclipsing his previous bests of .300/.366/.463. Nishioka’s batting average was backed by a robust .389 BABIP, so regardless of what league he plays in next year, it will remain to be seen whether his 2010 performance was the result of luck, a genuine step forward, or good health. My guess is that a little of each was involved. Nishioka is not much of a home run threat, but has good speed and will leg out the occasional triple, and swiped 22 bases in 33 attempts last year. He is a switch hitter, who hit well from both sides of the plate last year (.387 as a righty, .329 as a lefty).
Posting
If the Marines do post him, he’ll have the benefit of being a part of a rather weak class of middle infield free agents. At 26 he has some upside left, but overall I see him as a Ryan Theriot/Chone Figgins type.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/thoughts-on-nishioka/
"And the standard disclaimer about adapting from turf to natural grass applies."
Is this common knowledge? What is the standard disclaimer?
I have seen the future of Major League Baseball, and its name is Buster Posey.
by atxgiantsfan on Nov 10, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Also the knowledge that NPB stadiums are mostly domes with astroturf, but have just recently started building some stadiums in the new American style.
Which is a bit weird to expect American baseball fan to know.
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
The more I hear about him the less I like him
Also the posting system lets Sabean overpay twice.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Same.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
yeah
As much as I like the idea of a plus speed, plus defense infielder with a solid bat on this slow-as-fuck team, with the added fan draw of a high-profile Japanese import, Nishioka raises every single red flag. High-priced, high-profile, injury-prone, and coming off a career year fueled by high BABIP? No thanks. Float some prospects in the trade market while negotiating with Jazzy.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
In general, the posting system lets teams pay way too much money for players who tend to be mediocre at best. If I were a GM, I wouldn’t take any Japanese players who hadn’t spent time in America.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
What that implies is that teams are using bad information. If you can get the same talent for a lower price on the free agent market, there’s no reason to pay a Japanese player….so if they are paying too much, the only explanation is they’re misjudging the talent. Eventually that should fix itself naturally.
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
Carlos Gonzalez
1 Gold Glove
0 World Series titles
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
by groug on Nov 10, 2010 2:52 PM PST reply actions 11 recs
jponry likes this
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It’s because he got ambushed by a Ninja, holding a shotgun, eating cantaloupe, riding a panda.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I'm afraid he'll get a couple of those
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Nov 10, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t there water in center field at Coors Field?
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Core for the future....
The pitching staff
posey
belt
“thin” Sandoval
not bad at all. Zito and Rowand Contracts suck so hard. You know’d be in play for Crawford without them.
NEAL IS REAL I DONT CARE WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAYS
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Stealing for SI
Crawford would fill all of those needs simultaneously: 1) left fielder; 2) lefty bat; 3) No. 3 hitter; 4) improved athlete.
The Giants are not gonna outbid the bigger players.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
why do the
white splotches in that image look more like “ectoplasm” than electrical discharge?
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
LOL
I read that as “VROOOOOM” for some reason.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I’m going to keep saying this: the Giants should be willing to overpay Crawford with backloaded 2015/2016 money. This is a once in a lifetime pitching staff (and Posey/Torres), and we should be shifting payroll from future years into the next 2 or 3, when we really, really have a chance to win championships.
If it bites us in the arse Rowand/Zito style, earning $25m in 2016 for no return in that year, so be it. But we let Bonds pass without getting him the support he deserved, let’s not do it with Lincecum. If ever there was a time for short term thinking, it’s now.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think I’m fine with that idea, but I still prefer Werth.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
I personally prefer Crawford, but would be totally happy with doing the same thing for Werth.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
But he's WerthLESS.
BURN
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Surely Crawford is Werthless? Werth is Werthful.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I figured you'd counter with that.
Werthful of shit.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Thinking 2016…
Lincecum and Cain at roughly $18M each, then Crawford at $25M. That’s 60 large for just 3 players. Posey at that point is out of his arbitration years (but hopefully would be in the cheaper initial years of his first long-term contract) so maybe another $12m? And Belt would be in his last last arb year, so guessing $8? And anywhere up to $10 for Bumgarner by then?
That’s 90 million for just 6 players.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
But 2016 is 6 years away, a very long time – how certain are we that Lincecum, Cain, Madbum, Posey etc will (a) not be injured (b) still be great and © won’t be playing in pinstripes? History says that predicting a great team 6 years ahead of schedule is impossible. Way too many variables.
And it’s basically saying that if all those things work out and we have the core of an amazing 2016 team, we’ll struggle to put up an adequate lineup to support them with the remaining 20 million or so. But we have the core of an amazing team right now, and we’re struggling to support them with the remaining $20m or so.
I’m certainly not saying it isn’t a risk, or that 2016 won’t be difficult. But hell, it’s difficult right now, and the difference is we KNOW this team is a couple of really good players away from being (on paper) the clearly the best NL team for 2011. But if 2016 is the year where we watch the death of the Giants 6 year dynasty, as our overpaid past-it former champions struggle to 70 wins, I’m willing to take that risk right now.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
How certain are we that Crawford will not be a broken down whiff-bat dog-contract hasbeen in 2016? Or earlier? A super-Rowand, so to speak? If we’ve got problems moving Rowand’s contract now, it will be even less possible to move $20+ million of a .265 hitter’s final year (or two).
If you want to eliminate variables, start by not adding one, and instead stay with what you’ve got until it obviously doesn’t work anymore.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Crawford worries me
He’s had a bad season as recently as 2008, when his OBP dipped down to .319. If he has a BABIP slump his entire game falls apart.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That’s true of any player though. Less true of Crawford, actually, because his fielding (which is a decent bit of his value) can’t get BABIP’d.
Plus, non-home run hitters don’t get penalised at AT&T – in fact they probably get a slight bonus. He’s actually the perfect type of left handed bat for us.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily
If a player has good walk rates and hits for power, he can still post a good year defensively even when his BABIP slumps – see Mark Reynolds this year, who hit .198/.320/.433
The problem is that Crawford doesn’t walk enough or hit for any power.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Point taken, but equally you see my point about the fielding? Just as Reynolds has his walks & HR to fall back on, Crawford has his fielding.
Also, the flip side of a player who is heavily BABIP reliant is that he’s equally likely to have a lucky year, and massively outperform expectations. I have an image of a panda in my head for some reason.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
How certain?
We’re not, at all. That’s why it’s a risk. This isn’t my brilliant plan to ensure that the 2016 Giants are the best team ever. It’s a proposal to sacrifice payroll in 2016 (when, almost certainly, we will be far weaker than we are now) in return for effectively more payroll today.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t be so quick to conclude that we’ll be far weaker. There’s a good chance that at that point we’ve still got Cain and Lincecum (neither who’ve ever hinted at playing elsewhere), Bumgarner, and hopefully Wheeler has panned out and is in his final arb years.
Add to that we’ve probably got Posey and Belt, again making the assumption Belt pans out into some sort of Pujols Lite (Belt-holes?), plus whomever from the current crop of minor league players pans out into a MLB-level regular.
Subtract one of those players and with his salary post-2014 added back into the budget, we can soldier on by trade or F/A acquisition. Dump a $25M contract for a player (the “broken Crawford”) who no longer is worth even $10 onto the scales, and you’ve created a self-fulfilling prophecy for being weaker.
In any dealings with F/A over the next couple of years, our pitch should be “get a ring here, then go somewhere else to make your money if that suits you”. Any big-money long-term deals should go to retention, not acquisition.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
Just assuming that Cain and Lincecum will both still be great, healthy pitchers in 6 years seems dangerous. The odds are probably against it.
NEVER TELL ME THE ODDS
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Then assuming that three-year deals plus options will be the standard operating procedure, there’s a 50% chance with each player that the Giants are not going to get caught in that trap.
This is completely unlike signing a player for 6 years and backloading to the point that if he breaks down the only thing you can do is bench or DFA him.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s foolish to count on a pitcher being good 4+ years in the future.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
using "Pujols" and "Belt"
in the same sentence may be a little premature too.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 5:26 AM PST up reply actions
I wish I could count on Wheeler developing.
I have little hope. His mechanics are not good. He has an inverted W and a terrible timing problem. I’m more certain about his future TJ surgery than I was Strasburg’s. I know guys don’t want to hear this, but to anyone that watches a ton of pitchers, you can see that front elbow fly high and form the M. Wheeler may be the prospect they use to net a big bat next year and it wouldn’t bother me one bit, but there may be a lot of angry minor league junkies that will be ticked about it.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
But he's better at being younger, faster, and a better fielder.
Also, he wasn’t a dodger.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I AM MY GOD
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
why does it say cincinnati
why
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
The Cincinnati Dodgers of Los Angeles?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, no… It clearly says the Cincinnati Cody Ross of LA Dodgers.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Cuz he photoshopped it.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I think
It was a prospect card from when he was with Cincinatti, but the only picture they had was him on the Dodgers?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
i guess they didn't have photoshop magic back then
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Have you seen my sig?
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
LF Crawford
C Posey
1B Huff
RF Ross
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
P-spot
Looks pretty sweet to me…
but would this be that much worse?
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
LF Huff
C Posey
1B Belt
RF Ross
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
P-spot
The first one is probably a little better next year with a little more speed and defense. Also it continues to be really good beyond 2011, whereas the other one probably requires the team to find another middle of the order hitter again after next season.
Thing A
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I hate you, ESPN
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
by esseffgeez on Nov 10, 2010 3:15 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Matt Cain reminds me of Butters from South Park
by Gargonzo on Nov 10, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, MATT ALWAYS GETS SCREWED
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Hidden Cain is Hidden.
In awe of his adopted dad: equipment manager Mike Murphy, who has been with the club since their move to San Francisco in 1958!
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I can’t see anything.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 10, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what Matt said
48 years after his heart was broken by a Willie McCovey line out to Bobby Richardson, Charlie Brown finally has his championship.
by j14 on Nov 10, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 10, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
IRL LOL
This is soooo perfect!
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Nov 10, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
The first thing I thought of was the running joke in Monsters, Inc how Mike was always obscured in photos and commercials.
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
Fear the Fin - Cornering the market on third pairing defensemen since March 2009
Ahahahaha
It took me a minute to fully understand why people thought this was funny.
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I think I’m falling in love with Tim Lincecum
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"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, crap
JeffFletcherAOL
The #athletics acquired David DeJesus from the #Royals for Vin Mazzaro and Class-A pitcher Justin Marks.
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
How do we acquire him from the Athletics?
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Trade them San Jose?
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Dammit
I wanted him
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The A's must be really sure that thumb has healed.
Mazzaro isn’t that good though. I don’t know about Marks, but I’m guessing we coulda matched that offer. Oh well.
Looks like Billy intends to compete in 2011. That’ll be good for bay area baseball.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
They're definitely close
Just need a bit of that offense thing. One step closer.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I wonder if they'll stick with Cust at DH
Or look to upgrade. Lots of interesting DH types on the market.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I initially thought so too
Cust actually had a pretty good 2010 – .272/.395/ .438
But I bet Billy doesn’t trust him going forward.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Manny in an A’s uniform. Or maybe Lance Berkman or someone like that.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I just don't see a repeat of his 2010 season
Given his age, batted ball, etc.
He’s still valuable though
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
He's an OK DH
If the A’s release him, I could see a team like the Mariners pick him up.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He’s not that old at 31, and he has a career .378/.452 OBP/SLG. Not great or anything, but he’s solid, even for a DH. 3B is the real problem for them.
I was astonished
That Kevin Kouzmanoff was worth 2.9 fWAR this year.
He’s apparently much better on defense than I thought.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I thought he was below average for some reason
But he’s put up good UZR numbers for a few years now.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Manny in an A’s uniform
I see this happening
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I was amused by all the people who were talking about Manny last year as if he sucked
OBP was over .400!
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Marks was a 3rd round pick in 09
Not sure how he did, but he has some pedigree. I want to know what we offered midseason
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TWSS!!!!
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LookoutLanding
With good defense, adequate offensive skills, and injury problems, DeJesus was destined to end up on the A’s eventually
by Natto on Nov 10, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he does seem very "Padre-ish"
not quite a big enough name to be a Dodger. He’s no Scott Podsednik!!
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Nah I don't see him as a Padre.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Will A's fans stop complaining about us now?
We got Guillen, they got DeJesus. I think we’re even now.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Why does Kansas City suck at this?
Mazzaro isn’t good. Unless Marks is much better than I think, this isn’t smart.
Dayton Moore
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Wow, I guess I'm the only one
That thinks KC won this deal. Mazzaro was only 23 last season and has a lot of promise. Can hit 95, sink it and has multiple pitches. He is only going to get better. In two years Oakland regrets this deal big time.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
Dude's velocity is already down from 2009
He doesn’t have swing-through stuff and has bad control. No thank you.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
I’ve always wondered why Mazzaro always got such pedestrian results from such filthy stuff.
Decent trade for the A’s, but I reckon they need some actual top of the WAR pyramid talent in their lineup.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
The A’s are much better than their 2010 record suggests, though – their Pythagorean was 85-77, and they got unlucky with RISP on offense.
whoa
Crasnick suggests that they are looking into Berkman as well. Now we’re talking.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
I'm thinking Berkman goes to Texas
I see Manny to Oakland
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Not surprising. As I’ve said before, I think he’s going to be the best signing of the offseason.
But where are they going to stick him? Benching Cust or Barton would be a waste, and neither one has too much trade value. Plus, Chris Carter is coming up. Is it conceivable that they would move Barton to 3B?
Fangraphs earlier in the year reckoned he’d be a type A free agent if the Royals had declined his option. If he puts up a solid year next year, and the As get the draft picks too, that look a really good trade.
Marks’ minor league stats show (over SSS) nothing to suggest his stock has risen beyond 3rd round status.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, wish we’d been in on that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
OTOH
If they were looking for a young pitcher + pitching prospect, we really don’t have anything to offer. I mean, Michael Main would probably be similar to Marks, but who do we have who’s like Mazarro?
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
no one
:[
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Runzler?
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Ooooh, hadn't thought of that
But he’s not been proven as a starter – I’d imagine the Royals wouldn’t want to gamble on whether he could hack it.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
True, but
Getting a ML ready late inning reliever could make it easier to move Soria
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/shift-A
LOL
I'm still in the old thread.
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Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Nov 10, 2010 3:42 PM PST reply actions
hahahahah wikipedia
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6407/loljeter.jpg
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions
(Removed while I imageshacked it)
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
That’s awesome. I love wikipedia.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
“To celebrate, Giants fans had a riot back home in San Francisco. They overturned Priuses. They were throwing bottles of biodynamically farmed zinfandel, building huge clean-burning bonfires out of old ‘Design Within Reach’ catalogs. It was a mess. There hasn’t been a riot like this in San Francisco since HBO announced ‘Sex and the City’ was going off the air.”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Sex and the City? Really?
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Nov 10, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
I drive a Nissan Leaf. Asshole!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Nov 10, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
But how? They haven't been released yet?
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Sex and the City?
Call us whatever you want, but DO NOT associate us with that show. Seriously, too far.
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"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
This is worrisome
• Wild thing: It’s looking more and more likely that baseball is going to add a second wild-card team in each league and have those two wild cards duke it out after the season for the right to move on to the division series. But you probably won’t see that happen until 2012.
And in the meantime, the big battle could be over whether that wild-card survivor round should be a dramatic, one-game October Madness win-or-go-home game, or whether it should be stretched out to a best-of-three.
Every indication is that the players are dug in on two-out-of-three. But there’s a mixed camp on the clubs’ side. Let’s just say it didn’t go unnoticed that the team that had to wait around longest between rounds lost EVERY postseason series this year.
So there’s already grumbling about the thought of the two teams with the best record in each league having to kill time in October while the wild cards play it off. If the idea of that wild-card round is to reward teams for finishing first, that’s an issue that needs to be addressed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings101110
Any additions to the playoffs need to subtract games from the regular season (which I’m against). Playing baseball in December is stupid.
Your 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 10, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that's just weird.
I thought 8 was fine.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I really strongly dislike the idea of adding anymore playoff teams. I like the possibility of an underdog winning it all with 8 teams, but adding more just gets a bit silly.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Good, either give division winners a legitimate advantage, or don’t include non-division winners at all. One wild card middle ground is dumb.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, the solution to an undeserving team being in the playoffs is to put an even more undeserving team in the playoffs. That’ll fix everything.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I'm getting my October Madness bracket ready
I really like the Marlins in the AL North Regional.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
But the Red Sox didn’t make the playoffs this year!!! Bud had to do SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Nov 11, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
It reaches the point where you are only playing 162 game season to decide the seedings for a 3-4 week lottery.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
If they just want to do a one game playoff between two wildcard teams, I think that actually sounds kinda cool. It would put more emphasis on winning your division, and also just be good drama all-around. Of course, on the whole, adding more teams to the playoffs just makes it more of a crapshoot than it already was.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
funny thing is if this system was implemented 10 years ago, we would've benefited from it the most with 3 extra playoff appearances
by The Franchise on Nov 10, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
if 30 teams qualified
every team would have benefitted every year. It’s kind of a win-win-win-win-win-win, except for the teams that win pennants and are punished with a week of rust.
What they should do: decide seeding by the all-star game. One player in gets a playoff berth for the team. Two players in is a first round bye. The survivor plays the Yankees in a neutral site, like Oakland.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have long loved this idea. It needs to be a one-gamer rather than two out of three, but it would improve the pennant races tremendously; teams will go all out to win the division rather than be satisfied with the wild card.
I like it too; it will lead to better races.
Would three games be much worse? Make them play 1-2, and the season gets, at worst, three or four days longer.
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
THIS IS SUCH A STUPID FUCKING IDEA IT MAKES ME SICK.
THE WILD CARD IS NOT AN “UNDESERVING WINNER,” IN FACT MOST YEARS THE WILD CARD HAS A BETTER RECORD THAN AT LEAST ONE OF THE DIVISON WINNERS.
SO WHAT THEY ARE SAYING, IN EFFECT, IS NOT ONLY ARE YOU SCREWED FOR BEING IN A DIVISION WITH ANOTHER AWESOME TEAM, BUT WE’RE GOING TO FUCK YOU OVER BY MAKING YOU PLAY A “PLAY-IN” SERIES WHILE SOME HALF-ASS 85-77 DIVISION WINNER GETS TO SIT BACK, EAT POPCORN, AND WATCH ON TV.
FUCKING STUPID.
Thing C
I’m just against expanding playoffs. Each expansion will be a little step like this that people go “oh, hey, that’s a little better than the current system”…and the next thing you know, the regular season barely matters. No major sport has ever reduced the number of teams in the posteason (from NCAA tournament to NCAA football to NFL to MLB to NBA to NHL, etc.). They only expand. And they expand in stupid little small steps. Me? I hate the idea of cheapening the regular season and ruining pennant races.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
Well there’s that, too.
I think they should go in the other direction, where you have one division in each league, that the top 2 play off to go to the World Series. The team that won the regular season would get some sort of award which makes the regular season more significant.
Selig and MLB are such whores to money and television it makes me sick.
Thing C
I hate Selig as much as the next guy, but let’s remember the players generally support things that increase revenues, too….
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but the players aren’t really concerned with the long-term health of the game. I mean, if you could increase current player salaries 20% and jeopardize future income, I bet a lot of players would be interested in that. But the commissioner’s office (and the owners) have a vested interest in not only making more money today, but in 5 years and 20 years.
You can do this through increased TV revenue, but you also have to be aware of how any potential changes affect the perception and popularity of your sport. I can just see a downward spiral where they add playoff teams to increase revenue, which leads to lower ratings/smaller contracts because the product is diluted, so they add more playoff teams to add more rounds and revenue. It’s terribly shortsighted.
Thing C
I agree with this whole string
and I’m pretty sure MLB has a bunch of memos talking about revenue increases from college conference championships and FB playoffs, without realizing that they have a 162 game season to make redundant, and a first round of playoffs that already gets relatively crappy ratings and which some teams can’t sell out already.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 5:35 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve thought of something like this.
First, two 16-team leagues. Have each team play every other team 3 home and 3 away. (2 × 3 × 15 = 90).
Then take the top 8 teams and the bottom 8 teams and construct two divisions, and have them only play within their own division the rest of the way. 3 home and 3 away. (2 × 3 × 7 = 42).
Release the 4 worst teams back into the losers pool to play out the string. Take the 4 best teams and have them play each other 5 home and 5 away. (2 × 5 × 3 = 30).
Regular season ends.
Take the 2 best remaining records and give them a 7 game LCS, winner goes to the Series.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Yea
I kinda like that. Probably too sabrish to convince the traditionalists
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sabrish, more like just confuzzling.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Not really, just gotta unlearn a lot of the shit you learned.
Looking it over again though, it’s not too confuzzling. It just seems a little strange to just have the shitty teams play shitty teams for the last month or so.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
They bought it, they get to wear it. Who really care who the Pirates are playing after the All-Star Break?
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just saying.
No one wants to see Shit v. Shit. At least most of the good teams will attract a crowd. But I don’t know. Just sayin’
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
people that might go to see
the Pirates play the Braves or Padres, with a chance to eliminate them from contention.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 5:32 AM PST up reply actions
The chances of any given Team A being in a position to suffer elimination precisely when they go to the stadium of Team B are very small.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 11, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
the chances of anyone going to see
the already-irrelevant Team A play Team B are totally nonexistent.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 12, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
Hey Mark, How's it going. Funny seeing you here.
Yup. 1993, “Undeserving Wildcard.”
Oh, wait.
Isn’t the NL West the weakest division anyway on the East Coast bias scale? Just because we have real stadiums (excluding Colorado of course) and real pitching staffs. I wish they would build real stadiums back East. Mabye the FAs would quit using their HR totals as an excuse to snub us. I’m looking at you Jayson Werth (who we have no chance of signing for this reason.)
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
I’m guessing the one “reason” behind this is the AL East. More Yankees, more RedSox!!!! I mean, hello…. the RedSox didn’t even make the playoffs this year!
and the Yanks only got past the first round
Never has a clearer need for a bye been demonstrated.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Sorta OT: When I turned on SportsNation this afternoon . . .
I saw Colin Cowherd talking about how bad defensively Jeter is and how worthless the Gold Glove awards are.
It’s always a weird feeling when I end up on the same side of an issue as Cowherd.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 10, 2010 4:05 PM PST reply actions
I thought the same thing. I was hoping he would say Jeter deserved the award, just so I could further my hate of Cowherd.
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by Soulbrother16 on Nov 10, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I was surprised, honestly. He’s usually kissing Yankee/Jeter ass. Between that and him constantly taking on Notre Dame football, he’s beginning to seem almost human. Almost.
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by Prussian Creole on Nov 10, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Skip Bayless must have said Jeter is the greastest SS ever.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
In other news, water is wet
This guy last week said he still picks the Cowboys to win the NFC because no one else is good.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
lolwut
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The show 1st and 10. They were discussing Randy Moss joining the Titans. One of the hosts said “You picked the Titans to go to the Super Bowl. But you also picked the Cowboys” Clueless er Bayless said “I’ll stick with the Cowboys because there aren’t any good teams in the NFC” forgetting that everyone is better than Dallas than maybe Carolina, Detroit and San Francisco.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
OT: Seriously Scott Rolen?
This has nothing directly to do with Torres not getting a Gold Glove, which has very little to do with the article itself, but The Fuck!? He’s good on defense, and has had some really good defensive seasons. This year just wasn’t one of them. Just because he’s usually defensively sound, and made some nifty plays this year doesn’t mean he was the best third baseman defensively for the whole season.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 10, 2010 4:14 PM PST reply actions
His defensive metrics range from average to “best in the NL” (Baseball Prospectus) for this season, depending on where you look…
Problem is, defensive metrics for one year are questionable.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think MLB network was caught off guard as well.
They did their Goldglove show, then proceeded to use Ryan Zimmerman highlights for their 30 minute diamond demo on how to play third base. I was laughing about that. I didn’t hear a Torres mention from them and I was kind of expecting that. I don’t think they wanted to talk snubs because they want to be the good guys. All except Mitch Williams. He hates us. According to him, The Giants fans are the worst on the planet and he took as many shots as he could during the playoffs.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
I want the ROTY
At this point, that is the only thing I haven’t seen. We’ve done the rest in the last 10 years. MVP, Cy Young, Manager, WS win, All Stars.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 10, 2010 4:15 PM PST reply actions
don’t forget batting title
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
two, actually
i don’t really care about the stats achieves very much. I know I’ve seen HR, BA and I think RBI (Mitchell?). I’ve seen Ks, ERA? (Schmidt? Swift?), and Wins maybe…Schmidt, someone else?
Really, those don’t mean much in the long run. We saw 73. No one else may ever see that again, or anything close.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 10, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
one thing I really would like to see
57. But I doubt that ever happens. I’m not even greedy— so long as it happened to a non-Dodger, I would celebrate that for it’s awesomeness regardless of who the guy played for.
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
I know I’ve had this answered before, but what is the longest consecutive on-base streak?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
hmm
Consecutive plate appearances reaching base (official) (includes only outcomes that increase on-base percentage: base hit, walk, or hit-by-pitch)
17 – Piggy Ward, Baltimore Orioles and Cincinnati Reds – June 16 through June 19, 1893 (8 hits, 8 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch)
Consecutive plate appearances reaching base (unofficial) (includes all possible ways of reaching base: base hit, walk, hit-by-pitch, error, fielder’s choice, dropped third strike, catcher’s interference and fielder’s obstruction)
17 – Earl Averill, Jr., Los Angeles Angels – June 3 through June 10 (first game), 1962 (7 hits, 8 walks, 1 error, 1 fielder’s choice)
Oh, I actually mean consecutive games on base.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
I just looked at Bonds’s game logs – he opened 2004 with a 30-game on-base streak, had one 0-4, then reached base in the next 51.
…
…
!!!
5th starter at best.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I don’t know the answer to Howie’s question, but HOLY CRAP. Bonds was pretty good at baseball.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
His microsplits are so fun
In 2004, with a runner on third base, he hit .600/.889/2.400
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Wait, we had an All-Star in the last 10 years? Who?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Matt Cain
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
By the way...
did anyone think Posey would be THIS good? I thought he would be Mauer with less power, but he’s really Mauer with more power.
As much as I’d enjoy it, I’m not sure we can count on Posey putting up similar power numbers next year. I expect his power to decline a bit but his walk rate to increase. Really, .500 slugging is pretty damn unbelievable for a catcher.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
One thing I think he has going for him, though is that his approach lends itself to him getting pitches he can pull into LF at AT&T. He’s so adept at going the opposite way for base hits that pitchers are going to get frustrated and come inside and then watch out…
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by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
he has looked
very, very comfortable at the plate. Most impressive. Once he makes his lightsaber, he’s in like flynn.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
But also remember that we get him for a full season.
Most scouts were saying 15 HR power ceiling prior to this season. His base is much bigger now. I think he is a lock for 20 in a full season and the estimates are much higher now.
I don’t think the avg. will as high. The scouting reports started to figure him out in the second half and in the playoffs. He was still awesome, but you can see pitchers going for the high inner half and no longer going low and away, except Oswalt. Oh, poor Oswalt, read those reports on the rookies.
Then again, Posey is the chosen one. A rookie catcher really has never done what he did last season.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
One problem is there’s always that “regression towards the mean” concept lurking…
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I could see him taking a step back
Brian McCann hit .270/.320/.452 in his second full year, down in all categories.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
After 1 year in the majors? In that case the “mean” is his 2010 season.
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
That’s where sophomore slumps come from though, isn’t it? Players who do really well in their first year are often due for some regression.
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
But...Buster...CHOSEN ONE!
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Right, the “mean” in question is that of the underlying distribution, not the average of the sample.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
No, our best estimate of his mean is not his 2010 season. It’s his 2010 season properly regressed based on the 443 PA’s he had. That is not nearly enough to establish his own individual mean.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
We also have his career minor league numbers...and a dream.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Yeah, those can probably help add to our sample size.
by Missing Barry on Nov 10, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
My roommate is currently arguing that Derek Jeter was totally deserving of the Gold Glove, because “he made big plays in the clutch” and “has been one of the best shortstops of all time in the course of his career.”
American Heroes: Joe Pavelski, Buster Posey, David Backes
Fear the Fin - Cornering the market on third pairing defensemen since March 2009
Your roommate understands the voting process.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Nov 10, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Your roommate's statements make sense
grammatically. Pat him on the head and give him a biscuit.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
My buddy just gave me some aweome pics he took at the parade...have to share!
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Nov 10, 2010 4:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
His face looks super pretty in that picture. It really does.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Nov 10, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
he's no Andy Etchebarren
in talent or appearance.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 10, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
Not as pretty as his swing, though
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
Please thank your friend for me!
And thank you for posting.
by mrs. owlcroft on Nov 10, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
I'm still not used
to seeing Bochy holding that trophy. It confuses my subconcious.
Also, check out the kid in orange just to the right of the trophy.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Look at that dirty old man
with that pretty young thing on his lap.
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
LOL Magic Shoes
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 10, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Who's Marty?
Do you mean that nice fellow Calvin Kline? Who looks strangely similar to my current day son and actor Michael J. Fox…
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 10, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
That's totally what I was thinking of, too
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
OMG those shoes
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Nov 10, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
WEDGIE
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 10, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I should be doing homework...
But I found this picture browsing through the SBN/AP archive thingy, and it’s kind of awesome.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
1up
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 10, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
...
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 10, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
this is probably the best picture ever, so much you can do with photoshop
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Pretty sure this is
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
That would make a perfect desktop background if it was bigger
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Jenn Sterger wondered the same thing when she received that text
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I have to say, Grant
I can’t help but dig the Futurama stuff in there.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
OT: Black Ops
Is this game worth getting?
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
Depends on your platform. PC version has been getting horrid reviews. XBox and PS3 reviews are better but not stellar. Mr. Merope was looking forward to this release, but he hasn’t bought it yet, the reviews have scared him off.
Mindless shooting gets bad reviews?
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
If an FPS gets bad reviews on the PC...
That’s a pretty bad FPS.
Still, I’d much rather sit and wonder why people are so enamored with practically every single FPS game made over the past, oh, 5 or so years.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Seems like a good time to bring this back up
http://firedayton.blogspot.com/2009/12/were-still-alive-and-pissed-off.html
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
OT: LETS GO MIAMI OHIO REDHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I can't see a thing with this Miami Ohio game, but i'm happy they're up 21-7
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Reading Jayson Stark’s latest article. This phrase is awesome:
ODDS OF ACHIEVING GIANT-HOOD
Like, other teams are trying to be like our Giants? No way!
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Re: the trade Matt Klaassen brings up a good point
Shrewd move by Dayton Moore to wait and trade DDJ to one of the losers of the Werth/Crawford sweepstakes. #ohwait
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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With the Sabean championship and the Minaya firing..
It’s really just Ed Wade, Dayton Moore, and Agent Ned holding down the terrible GM category
Ruben Amaro Jr
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Ah yes
I forget about him because the Phillies are actually good.
Pat Gillick built a championship team
Then RAJ came and is f’ing it all up.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Seriously.
I would not have wanted to face that in the playoffs.
autorec
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Needs less Burrell
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
no way
his incredibly enthusiastic reaction was one of the best parts of that.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
never forget
that was his GOOD game against the Giants. The Game 1 gif would be too big I guess.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 5:38 AM PST up reply actions
But if they had Lee, they wouldn't have had Oswalt
…so it wasn’t that big a difference
The thong is, it happened.
Yeah, that Howard contract is gonna bite them in the ass
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
Some people here are upset Torres didn't win a Gold Glove
what will happen when Posey doesn’t win the ROY?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
/quits baseball forever
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
It will be Rob Neyer’s fault
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Nov 10, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll send gross gifs to everyone who whines about it and pretends Heyward isn’t every bit as deserving as Posey is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
No, the people who act as though Heyward has no business being in the discussion annoy me a lot more.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Heyward has NO business being in the discussion
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Are you fishing for a gross gif or something?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Sure
Just saying it’d be unfair and strange if Heyward was actively joining the talks about his ROTY chances.
BBWAA have some business being in the discussion and on that note does anyone remember or know if Baggs eventually bowed to Sir Posey?
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
lol
It would be cool if Jason Heyward came on here to defend himself.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
LOLMOREWALKSINAPARTIALSEASONTHANANYINDIVIDUALGIANTTOOKINALLOF2010!
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:06 PM PST up reply actions
/disqualified for cheating the game
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
I bet Molina would have surpassed this
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Molina is awarded a walk every time he gets within 15 feet of first base before being thrown out.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'm gonna complain throughout that thread
that Torres didn’t win the golden glove.
by sarf_london_niner on Nov 10, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
may I suggest that the post that day just be a picture of Buster holding the WS trophy?
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
also this
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12771881
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Whoever wins
I just hope they turn out better than Chris Coghlan.
they'll be forced to return the WS Trophy they stole from the cabinet
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
also
since the Giants won the world series, can we just spend the entire off-season making fun of Deadspin readers instead of rosterbating?
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
since the Giants won the world series
Wait, what happened?
/will never grow tired of this semi-not-joking joke
by non sequitur on Nov 10, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
OT: RIP Dave Niehaus
Been living in Seattle for a few years, and had the pleasure of listening to him call some games – in some of them, he was pretty much the only bright spot. After the year the Mariners and their fans have had, this is just crushing.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 7:34 PM PST reply actions
I hadn't heard of him
but reading the LL thread, I got pretty emotional.
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Buster and Bumgarner must be thinking:
“Well, that was easy and we won on our first try. Let’s do that again next year.”
...Dr. Vader will see you now.
Motivational tool
Every guy in the minors is now saying, “I want one of those, too.”
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Nov 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Belt looked great, and Culberson's been a nice surprise.
Let’s try and add two new players every year!
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
Belt/Culberson 2011
Wheeler/Neal 2012
Brown/??? 2013
With a side of Crawford if he learns to hit.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Through in a Surkamp somewhere.
8)
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
LOL *throw
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
That guy totally slipped under my radar for most of the year. Sure, why the fuck not?
I really like this universe where the Giants’ farm system just never fucking stops churning out major league quality pitchers, year after year after year. Cain to Timmy to Sanchez to Mad Bum to Runzler to Wheeler to Surkamp to whatever fucking space alien we pick in the 2011 draft, and on, and on, and on, until SF broadcasters Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell are marveling at the exploits of Matthew Thomas Cain Jr, Cy Young winner, while Governor Posey throws out the first pitch.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
I like this universe
If you build it, I will come.
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed.
I’d laugh if the torch(es) were passed to Aubrey and Pat.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I'm not so sure about Pat
but listening to Huff’s interviews this season, he would make an absolutely first rate broadcaster if he chose that for his post-playing career. He speaks well, has interesting things to say, and he’s funny.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
That would be an awesome way to get out from under the Zito/Rowand contracts
The thong is, it happened.
We can make a big deal about Torres not winning a gold glove...
Or we can just laugh. Gonzalez, Bourn, and Victorino didn’t win the World Series. Torres did. I will say the same thing if Heyward wins ROY. We may not have an INDIVIDUAL player who wins an INDIVIDUAL award, but we had a team that was better than any of the other teams. Just shows that you don’t need a superstar to win the world series, and we most definitely won it all. SF Giants: 2010 World Series Champs!
Anyone else here think that Torres easily catches the ball the Victorino dropped in center against the fence?
Of course Torres hit it and then would have had to catch it and the world would have exploded. And the Giants would not have won the World Series. Hey, they did win, even if Torres would have been able to catch his own ball. Wait, I don’t feel real all of the sudden. Did the world explode? Victorino can keep his gold glove. Thanks for not catching that ball Shane.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
WOW ZUKO WAY TO BE A DICK
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
beach episode?
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Book III, Episode 2. He just came to talk to Iroh and he was really mean to him. I know it’s just a mask for ~his own feelings of inadequacy, but geez.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Ah yes. At this point Zuko’s basically attending Fuckstick State University, majoring in Douchebaggery with a minor in Self-Pity.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
I did enjoy
“I don’t hate you.”
“I don’t hate you, too.”
though.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I have a totally unreasonable affection for Mai, which I think is a combination of her awesome one-liners and her actress’s husky voice.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
For some reason, I feel like they’re making Sokka into kind of an ass lately too (at least in The Painted Lady.) I mean, he’s kind of a loudmouth but he’s actively being a jerk in this episode.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, Sokka is kind of annoying early on there with his schedule and everything. I had actually forgotten about that.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, I guess it is important to be on schedule what with the eclipse and all but you don’t have to be a shit about it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I want to defend him by saying things like “he’s dealing with his own stuff”, but I think he just liked being in control.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
My cabbages!
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
You can pretty much eliminate Arrested Development on account of my obvious interest here.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Can you really blame him, though?
Sokka spent the first 2 seasons being right all the time, but nobody ever listened.
His “THAT’S SCIENCE YOU IDIOTS” rants in the fortune-telling episode basically sold me on this show for good.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 10, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
It’s a little weird being on the other side of this dynamic. I… don’t know what to do in this role…
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
When I first got Cameras on my IPod
I could not stop playing it
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Follow me: Twitter.com/gobroks
OT: Does anyone have a link to the Denorfia Fail?
I want to bask in its awesome glory!
here
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12738425
Bonus: Audrey spanking an imaginary butt.
by non sequitur on Nov 10, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
My Mom saw that.
Pablo Sandoval: The Triforce of Courage
Buster Posey: The Triforce of Wisdom
Brandon Belt: The Triforce of Power
I love that Denorfia’s dive was perfectly framed by the “YAHOO!” sign.
by non sequitur on Nov 10, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
The sad thing is
He made a really good play earlier in that game.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Who better to host a nuanced discussion about societal issues of pressing importance than Greg Papa?
(That said, “Out” was very good and Drew from the Sharks booth is sounding pretty insightful)
he was atrocious
I suppose it is his show, however. I hope the hissing came through on TV, he got quite a bit.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 5:41 AM PST up reply actions
Er, might have spoke too soon on the Drew comment. His heart’s in the right place, but I don’t think he’s sure what he’s saying at the moment.
by Seasick fish on Nov 10, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Ramenda was fired up
gets extra credit for bringing his sons, and was pretty awesome in general. Ratto too, shockingly.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 5:41 AM PST up reply actions
All-UZR team
Just out of curiosity, I checked to see how the Gold Glove winners ranked in UZR (Note: outfielders are ranked as OFs, not at their specific positions:
NL
1B Albert Pujols, Cardinals (fifth)
2B Brandon Phillips, Reds (second)
3B Scott Rolen, Reds (third)
SS Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies (third)
OF Michael Bourn, Astros (third)
OF Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies (21st)
OF Shane Victorino, Phillies (16th)
Then I found the best UZR by position. They got ONE Gold Glove total.
1B- Ike Davis – NYM
2B- Chase Utley – PHI
3B- Chase Headley – SD
SS- Brendan Ryan – STL
OF- Andres Torres – SF
OF- Jay Bruce – CIN
OF- Michael Bourn – HOU
Also, for the AL:
1B Mark Teixeira New York (fifth)
2B Robinson Cano New York (fifth)
3B Evan Longoria Tampa Bay (third)
SS Derek Jeter New York (seventh)
OF Carl Crawford Tampa Bay (second)
OF Franklin Gutierrez Seattle (seventh)
OF Ichiro Suzuki Seattle (third)
And the best UZR by position (this time with two right)
1B Daric Barton, Oak
2B Mark Ellis, Oak
3B Kevin Kouzmanoff, Oak
SS Alexei Ramirez, CHW
OF Brett Gardner, NYY
OF Carl Crawford, TBR
OF Ichiro Suzuki, SEA
Side Note: How insane is the Oakland defense around the horn? Cliff Pennington is second in UZR at short.
by Darren J. Gendron on Nov 10, 2010 9:19 PM PST reply actions
Wow
Oakland is pretty stacked with pitching and D
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
How bout another bay bridge series of the world variety next year?
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Halloween has passed, but the Giants were too busy playing ball to dress up. For a belated Halloween, if you were to pick costumes for the players, what would they be?
Mike Fontenot: The Most Interesting Man in the World
by kingofthacove on Nov 10, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure what it is
But there is something beautiful about this swing. Go to the very end, there is slow motion from multiple angles.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
There is something beautiful about those sideburns.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Nov 10, 2010 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
whats not to like
he has shinjo’s gear, he bats like ichiro and his brings alot of japanese fans to the giants if we get him!
Number of fans is irrelevant
Amount of club revenue is paramount.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Nov 11, 2010 4:19 AM PST up reply actions
☆_☆
Also the raised logo on the helmets look slick.
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Ugh
Amazing he can keep his head still through all that, and decent turn on the ball, but major league sliders would eat him alive.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Nov 11, 2010 4:19 AM PST up reply actions
Azn bias?
I’d have to disagree that it’s beautiful. He leans back and away from the plate on every swing. I think he’d be vulnerable to pitches away.
The thong is, it happened.
I'm not sure this is accurate
It seems like he does have more of a tendency to use his speed from the left side, but he definitely stays back on the ball on the right side. Even so, when it comes to pitches that he wants to hit up the middle, he doesn’t seem to lean back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYThLYGW1qo
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I saw my Phillie fan friend last night. And all he could say was that only 100,000 people showed up for the parade where Philly had like 2 million…
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
Your friend’s an idiot, but he roots for the Phillies, so we already knew that! ;)
by Missing Barry on Nov 11, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Now that the sports season is over I've decided to study a foreign language.
I have a terrific Pimsleur beginning conversational Italian course which consists of 12 Cds building up to the apparent goal of picking up a beautiful, married and uninterested Italian woman.
Normally I would consider the idea of studying Italian for 3 weeks and then traveling to Milan to find and then steal the beautiful wife of a rich and slick Italian fashion mogul a daunting task, but I have personally witnessed Bruce Bochy and Brian Sabean each hoisting the commissioner’s trophy over their heads, so I suppose that any ridiculous and far-fetched thing is possible.
Chow Bella!
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
We were in Europe a little over a month ago
Those Italian women are mighty fine.
The thong is, it happened.
Interesting...
I been meaning to learn Korean considering my wife is of Korean descent.
BTW:
Anyone teaching/taught their kids a foreign language? What are some good tips?
How old are they?
For my younger kids we do a lot of noun, and nouns they can use right away: Cow! Doggie! The verbs we use are the most common ones for their age: walk, sit, run, eat, and cry. Colors and shapes are good too, a little more abstract but easy enough to be put into use everyday, repetition is really important for little kids, annoying for grownups… but necessary for 2-5 year olds.
To have a “natural” accent in another language it helps to start really young. Apparently children under 5 can pick up accents much more easily than adults can because their articulators and motor-lingual pathways haven’t been habituated to one language yet. I also think they haven’t blown out their hearing abilities with headphones and loud rock and or roll music yet and can better distinguish the subtleties.
To become accustomed to the sounds of different languages you could have them count to 10 or 20 in the language and a lot of the “Living Book” software is multilingual: usually English, Spanish, and Japanese. These are better for the 3-7 year old age group.
My expertise lies in the 2-8 year old age range so I may not be of much help to you. I’m sure somebody else here will have an idea or two.
She's two
I want her to learn Chinese (my native language) and Korean (mom’s language)…
Mom (a teacher) is convinced that too many languages will screw up her language development
What many parents do, with great success, is have one person talk to her in one language and only in one language and the other only speaks to her in another language. So you would be the designated Chinese speaker and mom would speak to her only in Korean. I’m not an infant development expert, I don’t like babies, they are always leaking something from somewhere, but I’ve known many families do this and the kids seem to handle it quite well. Well, provided that the child is “normally developing.” If I recall correctly, it’s being exposed to the sounds of the language that are important, being able to distinguish the tonal differences.
We’re doing this now. The CW, I believe, is that bilingually raised kids tend to start talking a little later, but once they start they have no trouble with either language.
And you may find that the receptive language is just fine and dandy, it’s the expressive language that lags. Usually if a child’s receptive language is at an appropriate level for their age, and everything else is developing “normally” (except the expressive language) there’s no worries.
I had, many years ago, a little girl in my class who spoke Cantonese at home. She never spoke at school, but seemed to be absorbing everything that was going on around her. At the end of her 2nd year with me (she started school at age 3) she saw another child pick up a worm on the playground. This resulted in the child’s first English sentence: “That’s absolutely DISGUSTING! You put that worm down right now AND GO WASH YOUR HANDS!!!!”
if you are anywhere near a Korean community center or church
they might have some kind of a weekend/night school type of thing for this.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Nov 11, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I'm in the process of relearning Korean (LOL me)
I find that watching Korean dramas/comedies with subtitles is a good supplement to learning Korean. Also, with kids, just make them speak the language a lot. That’s how I learned Korean when I was a baby and also how I learned English when I went to school (and my parents started talking to me in English a lot more).
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
KPOP!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Good Morning: Shift-A and this article exists
Search for the next Giants of baseball
Which team has the young arms to do what San Francisco did? Five clubs come to mind.Somewhere out there, there’s a team about to turn into Next Year’s San Francisco Giants.
And by that, we don’t mean a team that’s looking to lead the league in fortuitous waiver claims, scrap-heap excavations or most playings of “Don’t Stop Believin’.”
By that, of course, we can only mean one thing:
Pitching.
Yes, to qualify as the winner of Rumblings and Grumblings’ thrilling Next Year’s Giants competition, a team would need to have massive quantities of the commodity that led this year’s Giants to the parade floats — young, upwardly mobile starting pitching.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&page=rumblings101110
DisneySports
@SFGiants Word Series Champ Aaron Rowand is celebrating at Disney in the #CMNGolfClassic by teeing off at 8:45AM from Hole 1of the Palm
that goddamn golf ball threw me a slider!!
/breaks club, punches tree, drives cart into lake
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Oh Wow.
Klaw
(1:21 PM)
It’s a matter of degree, but I would have taken Zimmerman. How about Dunn throwing Zimm under the bus by talking (to John Fay) about the “bruises” he received from bad throws? Really, Adam? My daughter owns all three Tinker Bell DVDs, and they named the two male tinker fairies after your fielding skills: Clank and Bobble.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
BOOM
Tony (Pt Jeff, NY)
With Lincecum having such a violent delivery, should the Giants trade him NOW while value is highest and their pitching is deep? OR would their be riots in the SF streets?
Klaw (1:34 PM)
I know, that violent delivery that it’s caused Lincecum to spend so much time on the DL … oh, wait, he’s never been hurt. What the hell are you talking about?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Pitching is deep? Huh? I never claimed to be a rosterbating stat hound…. so maybe I’m wrong, but ummm outside of Lincecum, Cain, Bummie, and sometimes Sanchez (hoping the end of the season was just tired arm syndrome) who else have the Giants got? You replace Timmy with who exactly? Zito? ‘Cuz I don’t think there’s much left down on the farm.
The Giants starting pitching is laughably shallow beyond their top 5.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I don’t find it very funny. :(
Maybe we can sign Jesse Foppert for the 18th time.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
This is probably why they are dicussing Runzler and Affeldt possible starting.
Yeah, not a lot down there that is ready.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
My Guess:
Tony (Pt Jeff, NY) – has naughty, naughty dreams at night about Timmeh wearing the pinstripes in the Bronx.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 11, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Derek Jeter denied a National League Gold Glove award
Derek Jeter won his fifth American League Gold Glove yesterday, but in a tremendous slight to the future Hall of Famer he’s been denied the National League version of the award.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/10/derek-jeter-denied-a-national-league-gold-glove-award/
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Nothing like a holiday...
7 loads of laundry finished, a crockpot full of chili simmering, miscellaneous household repairs completed (yay! I fixed the fountain!) and I think I finally got all the Halloween decorations put away. Is it naptime yet?
wow
All I did was 1 load of laundry, you’re making me look bad
by posey yaknowsy on Nov 11, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
hmmmm. Too expensive?
The Braves appear to have shown interest in Pat Burrell, but he may be too expensive for Atlanta. One reason Burrell fits in Atlanta: he’s right-handed and the Braves are looking to complement the team’s lefty-heavy lineup.
Maybe they’re willing to pay $3M but not 5
by kingofthacove on Nov 11, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
where’d this come from? goddamn it, the Giants are gonna screw this all up.
All I asked for was Huff, Pat, and Uribe back.
by giant4life83 on Nov 11, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
not one of the Giants, nor any of their fans, was robbed this year
WORLD FREAKING CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rob that bitches……
Trade Sabean...
LOL Bowker
[Comment From frankfrank: ]
should the Bucs go with platoons of Pearce/Jones at 1B and Milledge/Bowker in RF rather than blow their limited $ on position players, and focus on pitching instead?
Thursday November 11, 2010 12:24 frank
12:24
Dave Cameron:
If they want to win, they’ll need better players than any of those four.
Breaking news from MLBTR:
Randy Messenger has agreed to a deal with the Hanshin Tigers, according to Patrick Newman of NPB Tracker. The five-year MLB veteran pitched for the Mariners in 2009.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
still needs a crease in that brim.
good luck though!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 11, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Gonna send a messenge to the NPB
Look at my website. Look at it. || I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
All over Japan...
…equipment carts are trembling in fear.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
dude, what the hell are you smoking?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 11, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
How Serious?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
by slackersphere17 on Nov 11, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I look forward to the Giants putting the Padres back where experts thought they belonged before last seaon.
ohhh, there’s a storm coming now
Giants Nation— you’re not even a nation, at best you’re a damn Inhabited Territory— you will RUE THE DAY you ever won that World Series.
Our bearded flamethrowing closer can kick the tits off your bearded grannytossing poser.
The veterans (read: walking dead) in orange and black will regress to the point of stupefying incompetence.
And when you come down to San Diego, we will grimace and endure the talk about the last two weeks of the season, and your ensuing run to the title.
And then we will proceed to BEAT THE FLYING SHIT OUT OF YOUR FACIAL-HAIR-PREENING COLLECTION OF ASSHOLES and remind everyone why the PADRES spent five and a half months in first place.
The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we’ve gotta beef up the linwup.
If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.
by StrangeBroP25
And when you come down to San Diego, you will make yourself right at home since Padres fans can’t be asked to come out to support their team!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 11, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
People who are proud of being banned from sites are always people who I take seriously.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I've actually seen the incarnation of these kind of people.
He was the same guy at Petco park who got escorted out by the cops for throwing Barry Bond’s foul ball back on to the field, and barking obscenities at Barry when he was in the outfield. Too bad he missed the glory of Barry tying the HR record that night. I saw it. It was awesome.
Will this be before or after Jonathan Sanchez hits a triple off their pre-pubescent ace?
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Nov 11, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
why would we RUE the day we won the world series?
heck, I still can’t believe its happened yet. We won the world series? Which one?
Just wondering if the Giants regression is only a popular theory amongst...
the haters that gon hate. Whenever they mention that, its like they forget to mention the pitching, which seems highly unlikely to regress. I guess are offense must’ve only been just good enough to win the world series one time and one time only.
remind everyone why the PADRES spent five and a half months in first place
BABIP?
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
Adrian Gonzalez loves be a Padres
Also…
Adrian Gonzalez‘s potential availability is grabbing all the headlines, and rightfully so, but Dan Hayes of the North County Times reports that the Padres "will also listen to offers on Heath Bell."
Baked goods and the WS Champions
Must. Resist.
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
I still haven’t bought any World Series swag. I haven’t seen anything yet that I really really want. I know if I ask the Mr. he’ll buy it for me ….so it’s not even a $$ issue. Nothing’s caught my eye yet.
I’ve bought the parade T-shirt, some commemorative mags and the mega-DVD set. I’m sure I’ll get the pennant at some point, but I agree, the clothing options aren’t exactly enticing. I’ve been disappointed in the designs of the two items I really want to buy (a jacket and cap).
They could be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
is the mega dvd on the giants site?
i wanted to get one, but not just of the World series, i want one thats like visual cliffnotes and behind the scene stuff throughout the entire season.
They have a DVD set of the entire WS on Amazon for cheaper than what you’d get on MLB. I don’t think they have anything that covers the entire post-season. If you’re looking for a a season recap, this would probably do the job: http://www.amazon.com/2010-World-Rangers-Francisco-Giants/dp/B003XL6EKI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1289510159&sr=8-4
drool
oooh 8 DVDs sound great:
“* The ultimate baseball collectible, this 8-disc set features all of the complete World Series Games versus the Rangers, as well as the NLCS Games 4 & 6 versus the Phillies and a special bonus disc.
* In addition to the full games presented on each World Series disc, pre-game and postgame interviews, and MLB Network coverage, and 4 audio channels (Fox Sports, Fox en Espanol, Flagship Radio Station Play-by-Play for BOTH teams) all enhance the viewer experience.
* A special bonus disc features 60 minutes of regular and postseason highlights, player interviews, and celebratory footage.”
HOWEVER – It’s not listed as HD? Really?
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Nov 11, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
LOL audio options
* In addition to the full games presented on each World Series disc, pre-game and postgame interviews, and MLB Network coverage, and 4 audio channels (Fox Sports, Fox en Espanol, Flagship Radio Station Play-by-Play for BOTH teams, and the entire regular season play by play redone by Joe Buck and Tim McCarver)
mlb.com shop is weird
I bought four WS shirts in one order: the orange ones for me and my sons, and the black parade one for Mrs. Me. The two adult shirts arrived last week, on the same day, in two separate boxes. This morning I received a “delay notification” on the kids shirts. It said “We do not have a ship date” and gave me the option to cancel. Half an hour ago I got a delivery confirmation email saying the kids shirts had been shipped. (Hopefully they will at least be shipped in one package!)
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
hahaha. I have a similar problem. I have a smaller budget...but i want everything...
even the commemorative model train.
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