Post-post-game thread
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 29, 2010 1:32 AM PDT
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It might get lost after the bullpen meltdown, but at one point, Game Two was destined to be a complete caining. After watching 170 or so Cain starts, it isn’t hard to recognize the familiar rhythm: two teams doing their best not to score, with Giants eventually overwhelming their opponents with not-scoring experience. So, so familiar. It’s how someone as good as Cain can have a .479 winning percentage over his career. So forgive the jaded Giants fan if he or she thought the story sounded familiar. I’d already planned the post-game write-up: it would have been a simple link.
And then this:
If the old rules applied, that would have been a home run. It would have been the deciding run. The old rules are useless right now. It’s magnificent, and it’s freaky. In the NLDS and the NLCS, the old rules didn’t apply. Two games into the World Series, and we’re in a Lewis Carroll afterworld. It must be our unbirthday. Edgar Renteria is a power threat. Home run balls turn into doubles that hang out at second until the inning is over. Freaky, freaky, freaky.
With a one-run lead, maybe the Giants start to press. Maybe there are botched hit-and-runs. Maybe Cain starts to do damage control, walking a couple of hitters in front of Josh Hamilton and trying to be too fine. I’m a big believer in the chaos theory of baseball. One weird thing leads to an expected thing that leads to an unexpected thing that leads to something mind-blowing that would have never happened if not for that one weird thing.
I can just feel the abyss staring back when I stare at that picture. And then the feeling passes. Consider these Starkish tidbits, some of which I might have nicked from Stark’s Twitter feed:
- The Giants have already scored more runs in the World Series than the Yankees did against the Rangers in the ALCS.
- The Giants have already scored more runs against the Rangers than they did in the six games against the Phillies. Putting a couple of those runs in some Tupperware and mailing them back to last week would probably have helped my hairline out.
- The Giants -- the Sabean-constructed Giants -- were the first team in the history of the World Series to draw four consecutive walks.
- All of the runs from the six-run inning and the seven-run inning from the last two nights scored with two outs.
- The Giants allowed 50 runs in September -- the Rangers are almost halfway there in the first two games of the 2010 World Series.
Yet, it’s not done. Not even close. Vegas puts the Giants at somewhere between 70% and 80% favorites to win the Series. Back in the day, the Giants were once 97% favorites to win the World Series. Don’t like the link? Tough. I can visualize all of the different ways the Giants can win this. I look at what it would take for the Rangers to win and what it would take for the Giants to win, and I’d much rather be a Giants fan right now. But the Rangers winning four out of five would be far, far, far less bizarre than the Giants scoring 20 runs in the first two games of the World Series. Enjoy the win, but, dammit, this is baseball. And it’s weird.
Two more. Two more. That’s not a small task, but it’s doable. And that’s weird. The Giants are some sloppy .400 ball away from doing something crazy.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions
More threads!
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
1921 says hi
In that one, the Giants won 5-to-3 after Ruth’s Yankees shut them out the first two games.
yeah
“already scored more than the Yankees in the NLCS” is troubling because it points out that the last two games, especially in Mays Field, were pretty freaky, and that the Yankees got mangulated by Texas, especially if you leave out the bullpen meltdown in game 1.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
hard to leave out the meltdown
since their bullpen seems so meltable
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
and didn't for the rest of that series
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I DIDN’T GET CHOPPED
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:38 AM PDT reply actions
It’s all a trick! We’re staying in the last thread!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel sorry for whoever follows the both of us on twitter and reads through all our tweets.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
MLB Goodness
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While we're all fighting euphoria-induced insomnia or nervous tentative jubilation...
Let’s make horrible (original) headlines!
Lights Out In The City
Giants Ride, Crush Texas Bull Pen
Six White Flags Over Texas
Holland Dazed
Deep Through The Heart Of Texas
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons. || I pity the fool that falls in love with [THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS]
by GiantBrass on Oct 29, 2010 1:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
TEXAS CAIN SAW MASSACRE
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Oct 29, 2010 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
how long have you been holding on to that one?
and rec’d
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
that one is spectacular
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Heard that one on ESPN radio this morning
Which was after this post.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
That whole Steve Perry Lights thing was fucking awesome. Just a wonderful baseball experience was tonight.
Ain't no Posey like a Buster Posey cause a Buster Posey don't stop...hitting.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to do that (TM)
Not to mention the Livin' On A Prayer singalong
I’m so embarrassed to have typed that, but it was insane. And includes a very fitting lyric as well.
She says we’ve got to hold on to what we’ve got
‘Cause it doesn’t make a difference
If we make it or not
We’ve got each other and that’s a lot
For love – we’ll give it a shot
Whooah, we’re half way there
Livin’ on a prayer
Take my hand and we’ll make it – I swear
Livin’ on a prayer
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
by bgunn on Oct 29, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When it ended I turned to my wife and said: “Mark DeRosa just had an orgasm.”
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
by bgunn on Oct 29, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
When did they play that one?
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
I've never liked Journey
but you gotta love the way Steve Perry has taken his celebrity turn this season. First of all he’s so obviously having fun, but more than that, he really comes across as a genuine fan and cheerleader, coaxing people to sing, waving the rally rags, and all.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 29, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Doing "Don't Stop Believing"
That Yahoo link’s video’s been taken down, but I went to YouTube and saw this awesome version of DSB from the NLCS.
I love how it starts with the field and pans to Perry later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-DpMFd8A
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
THE JON DANIELS BULLPEN EXPLOSION
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Oct 29, 2010 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
kudous for the reference
Proud supporter of the Fightin' Hydrants.
by Little Napoleon on Oct 29, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Nightmare on King Street
Texas Fold’Em
Orange Crushed
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
HELL NO
I did not need that 97% win expectation chart from 2002. I had happily repressed the most gruesome details from the end of that game deeply in my unconscious. What had remained was only the vague outline of the facts of the day, and not the viscerality and all the gory details.
Now that recurrent nightmare has returned.
That’s the point. The too-giddy brigade are killing me.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 29, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grant ftw!
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
Not letting us get too high or low
I like it
/never clicked link
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Yeah, I think he was calling you out specifically.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 29, 2010 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Iron Eagle?
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Veteran presence in the clubhouse.
Pesky rookies getting to excited. Too much baseball yet to be played.
I completely agree, as Pat Riley used to say, “the playoffs don’t start until the home team loses a game.” That being said, if you looked at the faces of the Rangers’ players in the eighth inning last night, they looked defeated. Going back home might do the trick for them, but the Giants look really relaxed right now, and the Rangers look like they were just run over by a freight train. Adversity doesn’t seem to agree with them.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Yes, this was absolutely the right time for the Ginats to finally step on the opposition's throat
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Our gracious overlord wants us to be depressed, people! Bring out the depression!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
No, no. Not depressed. Nervous. Tortured. Happy, but with an edge.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 29, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, that's me, at least
The spectre of past disappointment is there and it will be there until the very last out is recorded.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
No problem
You just described the last 20 years of my life.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 29, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m coming down from last night. It’s nice to have a day off, as I’ll soon be into worrying mode again thinking about Jonathan Sanchez in game 3.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
"Let's not start sucking each other's ______ yet."
/from an awesome movie
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Yeah Toy Story 3 was awesome.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
I love how it is early in the morning and he is still in his tux from the night before.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
What was the event from which he was called away? It looks like some sort of cross between a funeral / casino night / gangster meeting.
Those are his pajamas.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I still can’t believe the Giants are up 2-0 in the World Series.
Not going to get ahead of myself though. Go to Texas, take care of business. To good Sanchez showing up Saturday!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 1:41 AM PDT reply actions
*clink*
Come on Guapo… they’re going to fill pre-game with Utley’s weenie face, and blab about it for the first 3 innings unless you mow them down. Don’t walk Andrus, and don’t be afraid to give Hamilton junk. You can do this.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a feeling that Hamilton’s going to have trouble getting a hold of Sanchez’s good stuff, since it cuts so hard away from lefties. He’ll have to go to right field, and I have a feeling that the Rangers are going to be trying to pull the ball hard in game 3, looking for a mistake.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
they looked pretty frustrated last night
and if he can mess with them for a couple innings, they won’t be very comfortable even in their own park. He’ll probably have to make it through a couple of jams too, which he’s been good at in the post-season absent errors.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Everyone has trouble with Sanchez’s stuff, so I hope Hamilton just falls in line. As always with Dirty, if he avoids the walks, I feel good about it. I don’t think the Rangers will suddenly figure out how to hit someone as nasty as Jonathan.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
and don’t be afraid to give Hamilton junk.
Must… resist… tasteless… joke…
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can’t believe the Giants are up 2-0 in the World Series.
Start believing…and don’t stop believing!
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
HOLD ON TO THAT FEELING
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Streetlights, people, wooh-ooh-oooh
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
THIS COULD BE THE SEEEEEASON
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
“and thankfully the Padres choked”
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
we won 92 games
we would have been the wildcard anyway. We earned this thing, the Padres didn’t hand it to us.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Eugenio Velez on a plane ride from FAT to SFO
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Tim. In August. I was sick the entire month.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
The Rockies and Coors Field
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Yeah, I was afraid of the Rockies having another ridiculous September. I was afraid of getting swept in Colorado even after the Rockies were out of it. I didn’t really get a chance to start fearing the Padres because I just didn’t believe them for most of the season.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Add me to this group.
I was dreading a repeat of 2009 going back to CO.
We were within spitting distance before that series in 09. We walked out of there covered in Spilborghs.
And except when BB was having mulit HR games, I never feel good about going there.
In fact, I think it was that series that had me create an account for MCC so that I could say something, even though I had been reading all season.
Bork.
Not recently, though.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely the fucking Rockies.
Jose Guillen comes in a close second.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 29, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe it’s just fantasy.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, if only I could major in pop culture. that would make my life so much easier.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
lol Not Cal!
I think we call that major “Political Economy of Industrial Societies”. Or “Sociology”, I forget which.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
The top is still spinning
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
by ResDog on Oct 29, 2010 4:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Will it go ’round in circles?
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Billy Preston reference
Now all we need to make the pedophile circle complete is to play Rock and Roll Part 2 if we win the series!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Was Preston a kiddie-fiddler?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions
he was arrested in 1991 for sexually assaulting a teenage boy.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
I think the story was, he attacked a teenage transvestite prostitute after he discovered the kid’s age and gender. There’s a whole lot wrong with that, but I don’t think it puts him in the Gary Glitter boat.
speaking of which
I’m watching The Crucible and Thomas “Sanctimonious Asshole” Putnam is being played by none other than Jeffrey Jones.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Wow
Gary Glitter. I remember hearing about the kiddie porn charge back in the 90s, but I hadn’t heard about him just getting totally out of control in Asia.
I still can't believe it
This team – 2 games from a World Series championship. My mind is blown. Our hitters are patient. The Giants are walking. They are scoring runs. Bruce Bochy is the smartest man in baseball. WTF IS GOING ON?!?
I’m not quite sure. But I love it.
"I wouldn't say the beard got us here, but I wore it here." - Brian Wilson
Wrecked it.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
you might have to change your screen name
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
The series is in diapers
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure it has graduated college, and is looking for a tech job by now.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
I hereby, now, change my screename to "iDislikeBochy"
Honestly, I give credit to him since he pulled his head out of his ass somewhere around July when Sabean went all “Vinny Castilla” on him and shipped Molina out so Bochy wouldn’t play him anymore…
/Revetria'd
He’s another candidate for the killed-by-a-twin-and-replaced theory. I also wonder if Bochy is a better manager because he has better players.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, I can only rec this once.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
miller said the 20 run total is also a ws record
its pretty cool
what i am happy about is that the players who deserve national recognition are finally getting some
cain is the man that cliff lee only wishes to be
“Giants run losing record to 17 games” woulda been a contender circa 2008.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
“Giants set record for fewest runs scored in a month with [number of runs]” would have been a contender last year.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
“Giants record their bafflement at the concept that you actually have to hit a run, cite long-standing belief that pitching is sufficient” maybe.
by sixquarters on Oct 29, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
MATT CAIN BITCHES.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
I should go to sleep now.
Rooting for Jose Casilla to take his K- and GB-inducing skills to the majors and join his brother.
What is sleep?
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I should study
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
I still haven’t studied for my exam.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't either
And apparently I need to register for next semester tomorrow…err today
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
We rule at college.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
FUCK YEAH
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I've neve heard him bitch about anything
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Punctuation
Don’t forget a comma after Game 2 drama… Matt Cain
He don’t lie, he don’t lie, he don’t lie… Matt Cain
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
These are great.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no power in those rangers
Just kidding. Our pitching rocks. Our hitters sure know good timing on getting hot at bat.
as much as I hate to leave this party you guyz,
I just can’t do another “all-nighter”. Kinda grateful there is no game tomorrow, I can catch up on life-pay bills, call my sister, do laundry, catch up on sleep-so I can do this again Sat & Sun! :D
Good night McC….I adore you guyz, sleep well and sweet 2-0 dreams! :)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
THEY'RE SMOKIN' WEED!
what happens when Texas news reporters are in town for the World Series…
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weed rock!
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Great. Fucking. Game
Love you all. Goodnight!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Giants, please just at least take one on the road in Texas. Just one.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
4-1 on the road this post season
let’s just end it there.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Small sample size, yadda, yadda.
I’d love to go into Texas, take two of three, and end it. I’m sure that’s certainly the plan.
But simply taking even one keeps the ball rather firmly in the Giants’ court.
This series is far from over, the Rangers are far from done. What they do have is a reeling, young bullpen, that the Giants need to get to late in games. Sounds like a recipe for torture.
Let's just end it there
Step on their necks. Leave no doubt. FINISH THEM!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, please.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
This from that Classy Ranger fan that was in here earlier.
FUCK
The Fox announcers are a fucking beating. I want to sodomize Joe Buck with a rusty chainsaw. Fuck the NL, fuck their rules, fuck that ballpark, fuck the Giants, and fuck their fans.
GOD DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
My friend who just started watching baseball (starting this post season) thinks the DH is a dumb rule. She found out when she asked me while watching the ALDS, why Cliff lee didnt have to bat like Lincecum.
If anything at all... If i was a ranger fan i would be saying....
FUCK OUR BULLPEN, and FUCK OUR OFFENSE FOR CAINiNG CJ. BUT MOSTLY FUCK KINSLER FOR NOT HAVING 2 MORE INCHES OF POP.
Save some fucks for Washington for leaving his guy twisting in the wind out there.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
does Washington know this is the World Series? There’s no tomorrow, dude. Use your closer when you’re losing!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
He must've learned by watching Dusty Baker manage the Giants in the 2000 NLDS
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Felipe'd
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
RE: Kinsler
TWSS
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Good Ears
Actually if you listen closely to the condensed game, you can hear Kinsler drop an F-bomb at second base after he got Maysed.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
He haz a sad.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL U MAD?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
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What's up with Rangers fans?
I know they are pissed now because of how things have gone down, but even before the series, they seemed a little bit douchey.
After such a good experience with the fans at the Good Phight last series, its a bit of a bummer that LSB seems to be populated by a fairly large sample of oversensitive, paranoid jerks who scream “troll” at the first sign of someone wearing opposing colors engaging in conversation or banter with them.
I’ve read the opposing team’s site for each series just to get a non-Giants tinted perspective on the other team and who to watch for, etc. and most of the fans are really cool. However, I stopped counting the number of times I’ve seen LSB posters respond to a totally non-threatening post or question with a “With all due respect, you are a Giants fan, get the fuck out,” followed by ten other posters talking about how each fan base should stick to its own site.
by Cixelsyd on Oct 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Their plans to build a firewall blocking out their opponents ran into trouble when they found out it was being configured by an Angels fan.
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It's the AL version of Purple Row
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 29, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t really been over there, but I don’t think I dig LSB. From what I’ve heard/those who’ve visited here, it’s not of the same caliber as The Good Phight or Talking Chop. Bums me out, as I enjoyed interacting with some of those fans. Also makes me sad because I’m glad the Rangers have done so well this year.
Ah well, got other things to worry about, liking kicking some ass in Texas.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Only Texans and some Marines
have more loyalty to their state/almost-branch-of-the-military than the actual United States.
Don’t be surprised.
BASEBALL BLAWG SEGREGATION NOW, BASEBALL BLAWG SEGREGATION FOREVER
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Aww…that guy was so charming. Surprised he didn’t call us all THE GAYS in there somewhere.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 29, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
F. Sanchez bad record
I bet he’s not the first guy to strike out twice in an inning in the World Series, but he gets to wear it nonetheless.
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LULZ
The first time it ever happened… Edgar Renteria, 1997 World Series, 6th inning
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE199710230.shtml
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Just those two
Edgar Renteria, Florida Marlins, 1997 World Series, Game 5, 6th inning
Freddy Sanchez, San Francisco Giants, 2010 World Series, Game 2, 8th inning
Baseball is weird.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess this means Sanchez gets the series winning hit.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
It is greatly wished
In Game 4 please.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions
There's more torture left inside for us, I fear.
I assuredly don’t believe in jinxes or anything of that nature, I’m just a realist. There’s been far too much torture for things to simply be this easy for two more games. We’re going to roll into Texas, and there’s going to be Texas-sized torture in store, the kind that only the Giants can provide.
It’ll be painful, it’ll be exhausting, it’ll make us scream and cry and rage and moan and cheer. Because it’s the World fucking Series, and we’re up two games to none. It’s not over. And maybe it won’t be over until that very last game. But it’s still magical. And still torture.
Maybe not.
Have you considered that between inherited runners scoring and shitting the bed on their own, the Texas bullpen has given us 13 run in two games?
Did we get that many off the San Diego bullpen the entire year? Yeah. We got 13 runs off the San Diego bullpen, inherited and the messes they made for themselves. In 18 GAMES!!!
Rangers bullpen almost completely gnaws root by all evidence so far and unless there starters magically start going 8 innings, this may be slaughter.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Then again...
The Rangers bullpen was quite good this season. Sure, they’ve been shaky these last two games, but I wouldn’t entirely expect that to last. Be lovely if it could, though.
It’s still a very young bullpen for the most part. It’s also a pretty dangerous bullpen, who will have a day off to rest, recover, and recharge. I still like the Giants chances if they can keep it close, and get it to the respective bullpens, of course. We just can’t assume that two bad games are going to be indicative of the future performance. This is a talented Rangers pitching staff.
Brandon Inge made the comment on Mike and Mike this morning that, and I’m paraphrasing here, “They’re bullpen is really hot and cold. Either they’re nails and you can’t get anything off of them, or they can’t get it done at all. They move as a pack.”
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
And I’m betting they change somewhat slowly from cold to hot.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
don't be so sure
it’s harder to bounce back with the added pressure of the World Series. I find it hard to believe that Derrek Holland is going to be a strike throwing machine his next time out, especially if he comes in with men on base.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
right
what you’re saying is that was two games of “brain farts”.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
No, i’m saying the Rangers bullpen is lousy and we’re probably going to kick the crap out of it some more.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Two. Games.
162 Games.
Rangers bullpen is pretty good, despite the meltdown we’ve seen. One or two guys having a fit of wildness while the manager sits on his hands, and 1-2 terrible pitches does not an entire bullpen make,
The top of the bullpen is pretty good
Feliz, O’Day, Oliver and Ogando too. The rest of it seems a bit soft. But then I guess the Giants have Ramon Ramirez and Guillermo Mota too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Aye.
And really, in a 7 game series with two days off, you shouldn’t ‘need’ the soft part of the bullpen. Feliz, Darren, Darren, Ogando. 4 pretty darn good relievers for the entire season.
Our hope is to have Lewis have a wild night, and dig into the soft underbelly a bit early. However, they actually do have a solid contingency plan in Holland, so there’s that.
I still can’t believe Washington bothered taking out O’Day. He was dominant against Torres and Sanchez and then Posey hits a little bloop single and you take him out? Overmanaging to the highest degree.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
(And Nate Schierholtz doesn't seem to have much of a platoon split.
Also, he is Nate Schierholtz and the worst he’s probably going to do is hit a single anyway.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Needed the lefty arm in there to face Nate, obviously.
Nevermind that Nate is a weak hitter, and O’Day’s fastball is probably death on a low-power lefty, with it’s tailing action.
The difference is that Bochy is better at managing his bullpen, if you can excuse his one-baserunner song and dance in late innings for his starters.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
This is a good point
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Bochy mismanaged the bullpen in game 1, but got away with it. Having a 7 run lead helped.
He has generally been good with the bullpen. I don’t know how Washington has been the rest of the time.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
It was intentional
He put in everyone just to shake off playoff jitters. I think that was made pretty obvious when he benched Romo (who was pitching great) to bring in J-Lo against a RIGHT HANDED hitter with nobody on base.
"bring in J-Lo against a RIGHT HANDED hitter"
he brought in Lopez to pitch against the left handed Murphy. Washington then used Cantu as a pinch hitter.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
I think that Bochy hit the panic button with Ramirez, and perhaps rightfully so. I thought pulling Affeldt was premature, but I don’t actually disagree with him bringing in Wilson to keep a non-save situation from turning into a save situation.
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Also…Wilson is probably the person Bochy trusts most in the bullpen to throw strikes…which Wilson did…he gave three runs but they were up 7…
Yeah, I had to laugh at the Ranger fans getting cocky about getting seven runs. 3 were off Wilson who had a 6 run margin to get 2 outs. If you think he was trying to pitch perfect in that situation… 1) You don’t know much about Brian Wilson, and 2) don’t know much about baseball. It was the perfect convergence of “Here is my fastball. Hit it if you can.”
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Yeah, but you gotta have more than one guy in the bullpen who you trust to protect a seven run lead, or you’re completely screwed.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Bochy used two of them in the 8th.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I also liked that Mota came in last night and just went right after them, playoff rust be damned, because he realized he had a 9-run lead. Unlike RamRam, who apparently didn’t realize he had a 7-run lead the night before.
Mota was very close to having a 1-2-3 inning.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
For a dude who hadn’t pitched in more than 3 weeks, I thought he did exactly what he needed to do, which was go out there, throw strikes, and not give them any momentum on their way back to Texas. Wasn’t the best we’ve seen out of Mota, but he was convincing enough to be called upon to pitch 2 innings in Texas if one of our guys gets knocked out early, which is something we needed badly with Ramirez’s total implosion.
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Yeah, I’m pretty happy Mota got in there and pitched well. I don’t want to see Ramon Ramirez ever again.
I was arguing the merits of Mota vs. Romo if the game breaks open last night during the bottom of the 8th, since they kept showing Romo and Wilson in the bullpen. I’m glad that the Giants got a large enough cushion to enable them to pitch Mota and get him onboard, and saved Romo’s element of surprise (hopefully) for another day.
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Late to the party
Just finished watching on dvr bc of work. I totally drank in that 8th inning victory lap.
I think Cainer should here on out be referred to as Sir Matthew, due to his stoic nature- like that of a knight of camelot. Also, we can make jokes about him riding a steed, saving a princess, slaying a dragon, etc. Not to mention the Photoshop possibilities.
Your thoughts?
Sir Matthew of Orange?
Is he Dutch?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Coincidentally, Holland is the name of the pitcher who could not throw a strike for an hour or so last night
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Time Dilation...
It was an hour for him, only about 5 minutes for the rest of us.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer
Baggs’ description of him as the wild west sheriff. Sheriff Matt Cain has a nice ring to it.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I'm f'ing wasted right now
and this still doesn’t feel real.
Matt Cain.
by MissingLink on Oct 29, 2010 2:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I see Pablo, Huff, and Uribe's names being floated around for the DH spot, but...
What if we trot out a lineup like this?
Torres RF
Sanchez 2B
Posey C
Burrell DH
Huff 1B
Ross LF
Uribe 3B
Renteria SS
Rowand CF
I know, I know, I don’t really want to see Rowand in there either against a right hander. But, that’s some pretty excellent outfield defense. Despite how the last two games have looked, I don’t like our chances in a moderate-to-high scoring game in Texas. Putting one of our best defensive matrices out there, while still being on the reasonable side offensively seems like a decent plan. Keep the score low, the score close, and get to the young, reeling bullpen late.
Seems like a recipe for Giants Baseball : Torture.
Taking Torres out of center field is always a bad idea.
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Oct 29, 2010 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions
This
Plus, Pat really really dislikes DHing. Pablo for DH.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
this season is all about everybody doing something
If Mota is going to finish a game, and he did, let’s get Pablo out there and give him a chance to sock some dingerzzzzz in Texico.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer Torres in CF.
And even with his reverse platoon split, Nate is still better than Rowand.
Frankly, I wouldn’t change anything except to move Huff back into the #3 spot and DH Sandoval. Why mess with success more than you have to?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I, too, would rather see
Ross LF
Torres CF
Nate RF
But I just can’t see that happening.
I dunno. Maybe I’m overvaluing defense, and maybe trying to rationalize things is just a bad idea.
Because World Series. Because Matt Fucking Cain. Because LOLPhysics. Because Twenty Runs. Because So Many Walks. Because Juan Uribe. Because Edgar Renteria.
Because San Fransisco Giants.
Fuck this rosterbation. Two more wins.
after watching Guerrero play RF in game one, I’m not sure it’s possible to overvalue defense.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
I think there's a baseline of competence you establish, of sorts.
Burrell probably falls within that baseline. I’d still rather have his bat in the DH spot and a legit defensive asset in the outfield, but if Pat is not comfortable in the DH spot, then that is that, I suppose. We need his bat in the lineup, and he’s not exactly Vlad in the field, so it isn’t the end of the world.
I really don't get this Pat / DH thing...
Does it really affect his hitting that much to know he is not going to have to trot out there to RF every inning? Or does he just not like/prefer to DH? At this point, I’d like to think he’d suck it up and do whatever was best…
I honestly dunno.
He claims to detest DH’ing, and his attitude/performance while in Tampa seems to confirm that, I guess. I’m perfectly fine with keeping with how things have been going in the outfield.
Burrell – LF
Torres – CF
Ross – RF
with Nate coming in as a defensive replacement in 6th/7th if we have the lead, after Pat bats.
Pablo has the highest upside of anything we can do involving the DH. So, I guess if we’ve gotten this far, roll the damn dice, and pray for double sixes. Let Panda-monium reign.
vs. RHP this year the only difference between Sandoval and Fontenot is that one player has more HR and GDP. Hint: not a beard.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Upside is the key here, in my mind.
While so far, this season alone, the two are similar against RHP, Sandoval has more potential upside, without a doubt. Sure, he also has a higher chance of laying a total egg, perhaps. But, I think the lineup can absorb that somewhat.
I hated it in 2002 when Kenny Lofton claimed the same bullshit and Shinjo ended up the DH. It’s fine to say crap like that in the regular season, but what about the attitude of “Let’s do whatever it takes” in the playoffs?
If Burrell agreed to DH, he’d never have to come out of the game for defense. Bochy has been doing this in the 6th & 7th innings, and all you have to do is see how many times Schierholtz has hit to see how many ABs Burrell has lost. I’m not dogging on Schierholtz — just on Pat’s attitude about this.
A lot of players say it feels unnatural
After playing both offense and defense since teeball, it doesn’t feel like you’re in the game. as Bip said last night, you become a spectator, lose focus and then all of the sudden, “Oh, I’m on deck?”
Frank Thomas was another who said it messed with his game.
I’m ok with Pat in LF. It’s nothing like Vlad in RF.
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
Yeah.
I’d still rather have my super-defense outfield, but I’m willing to make that sacrifice if it keeps Pat’s bat in the lineup to it’s full potential. We need his patience, and hopefully power, in the middle.
The outfield in Arlington isn’t exactly cavernous. The deepest point is 407 ft. in right center. I’m not terribly worried about Burrell’s defense in left field for this series. Plus the left field wall seems somewhat CBP-esque, so he should have some idea of how to play caroms off the scoreboard.
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this is the Earl Weaver rant
about Terry Crowley “watching a baseball game for 6 innings and then hitting the baseball” (edited for content).
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
When I first heard what a bad defender Burrell was
I imagined something a lot like Vlad’s performance in game 1. Thankfully that really has not been the case.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Even Guillen wasn’t nearly as bad as Vlad was in Game 1. He made Adam Dunn look like a Gold Glover.
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I missed Vlad in Game 2
Seriously, I had a friend who was rooting against the Giants, and even for him the highlight of the game was watching Vlad try to field.
I remember at least two balls that were hit last night
that Cruz got to that Vlad wouldn’t have even been close to.
It was disappointing. But the game wasn’t, so I’m happy.
For now.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Yeah those two hard hit balls near triple's alley right?
I was like, “DAMNIT why couldn’t they have left Vlad in!”
Agreed....
before the HR to break the 0-0 tie, I was thinking to myself, “Damn, if Vlad was in right we’d be up at least 2-0 here.” Cruz made a couple nice plays with men on base that Vlad would have had ZERO shot at getting to.
I think if we go for a defensive oriented OF vs RHP
I imagine it would be Ross/Torres/Schierholtz
because Nate is a lefty
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 29, 2010 3:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
While I agree, I was just thinking of what was likely for Bochy to decide.
I just can’t see Nate starting over Rowand, even when he should be.
It’s really just a question of: Is the gap between Nate’s glove and Pat’s glove bigger than the gap between Nate’s bat and Pablo’s bat? I think the glove wins out, therefore Nate should start.
But, as I said above. Because World Series. Anything can happen, and anything has.
Go Giants. Two more.
I disagree. Burrell is not embarrassing himself out there in LF.
And we don’t know which J. Sanchez will show up tomorrow, but it will either be walks-and-moon-shots Sanchez or STFD Durteh. What I’m saying there is that it’s really unlikely they’ll pitch Texas righties with inside stuff they can drive to left very often, bringing Pat’s glove into play. Torres can now shade that way more; there’s no Triples Alley to defend.
Even if Burrell is overmatched with one or two balls, we can’t say with certainty that this costs runs. An unhappy Pat the DH Bat could turn out to be more of a disadvantage. So what I was saying above is, essentially, don’t change the starting outfield at all.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Uribe as DH?
The guy is your best fielding left-side infielder and has by far the best arm. He does not DH unless you somehow acquire Ozzie Smith, Brooks Robinson, and a time machine.
??
Where did you see that?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Uribe part was in any way serious.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah his bat is much, much better than Nate/Ishi
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
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Potentially Better
More power, worse contact if he’s not “on” for that game.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Worse contact, worse plate discipline, can’t hit on the road.
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I think you gotta go with Panda as the DH in game three. If he doesn’t get it done you can consider Huff with Ishi playing first for game four, but I still think you have to go with Panda with a pretty mediocre Texas pitcher slated for game four.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
Using the Bip Roberts formula
I think we won the 8th inning
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 29, 2010 3:05 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
National media says that the Rangers lost it, which is somehow substantively different.
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They made a mountain out of molehill.
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just watched dvr of game because of work
and I think I’m gonna need the next 10 seasons or so to digest this one
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?
/Revetria'd
HR: Renteria
3B: Rowand
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff becomes the DH
Ishikawa is taking very good at bats and making good contact with an approach to all fields. This should be the Lineup:
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff DH
Posey C
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Uribe 3B
Ishikawa 1B
Renteria SS
That is a “delicious” lineup with good to above average defense in 7 of 8 positions. Some good left-handed bats and Renteria provides a prototypical double-leadoff presense for an AL number 9 hitter. If Bochy decides to play Sandoval, Huff would play 1B and Sandoval DHs. At this point the right side of the infield is so solid you don’t mess with it one bit.
This would be my lineup.
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That's not bad
It has the added advantage of putting Schierholtz into the clean up spot if a defensive substitution is made, further flip-flopping handedness.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:34 AM PDT up reply actions
He moves to the cleanup spot, but the difference between him batting in games one and two, since he’s still batting after Posey and before Ross.
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That is to say, there’s not much difference.
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Nate
Agreed, although Nate would go into the 5 spot and would allow the Giants to further abuse Washington’s piss poor ability to matchup/manage/waste/demoralize his pitchers.
I just noticed that Ross is (throws) lefthanded. But he hits from the right side. I wonder if he ever was a switch guy in the minors for Detroit. Maybe while rehabbing from the blown ACL he converted to RH at bats.
He was scouted as a “wrong way” guy, from what I’ve read.
Though I do love that of our two right fielders, one throws lefty and bats righty, and the other throws righty and bats lefty.
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And Timmy is like Nate with the RH to LH wrong wayness
I also remember growing up watching Mike Mussina and his baseball card read the same, although it took several years before he had to take a hack with interleague play.
Timmeh's batting makes me nervous
That right arm, just all out there… gives me cold shivers.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think so
I remember reading somewhere that he flirted with switch-hitting but it just wouldn’t work. So he decided to focus on kicking the crap out of the Phillies.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It's just me playing to the crowd
Cheap pop is what the wrestlers call it.
Oh, and Matt Cain.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I do like this lineup for defensive purposes but these next three games we need Pablo’s bat in there. Maybe it’s just because if we win a WS I want him to be a part of it and contribute.
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
Need schmeed. We’ve needed Pablo’s bat all season and it hasn’t been there. We’ll find a way to win without it for another three games.
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I know I know…reason..rational thinking…but you don’t want to see the Panda get his chance in the World Series just a little bit?
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
I want the Giants to win the World Series. I’d be very happy for Sandoval if he got his chance and capitalized on it, but my priority is winning two more games.
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Getting Weird
Sandoval will get his chance to get weird after a win. He loves to win, even if he rides the pine. He is like a fatter and more useful Burris.
As good as he was tonight, I really can’t justify playing Renteria over Sandoval against a righty. I just can’t do it.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Rents glove has surprised me as of late.
I’m just torn between the ‘amg, if it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it’ camp from games 1/2, to the more logical ‘well, it sure would be nice to have the best lineup possible based on reasonable projections’ train of thought.
Kruk or someone
was speculating that not playing actually gave him a chance to heal up/rest up and play better. I’m still going with alien transmogrification, but that could be too.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
We have gotten little or no production from the pitcher’s spot, and good defense from Renteria. If you insist on having Pablo’s bat in the lineup, you can ONLY upgrade by DHing him, whereas squeezing his bat in at third base weakens you considerably on the left side of the infield, where the very right-handed Rangers lineup has been putting a lot of balls. There’s just no good reason to put Pablo in the field unless he’s blocking a considerably better DH option, which we don’t have.
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Anything Rent can’t get goes to an outfielder for a single. Sandoval risks giving up line doubles to his right.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
"Pablo's a bad defender" is really overplayed lately
but Renteria has been playing really well except for the dropped throw from Posey, and he can bat 9th anyway for the next 3 games.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Pablo has made some very costly errors and non-plays down the stretch. He just doesn’t look confident out there, from bad throws to bad range on liners to the play at third base where he couldn’t find the bag… it’s been problematic, and I’d rather not have to listen to Buck and McCarver talk about it. Keep your two best defenders on the left side against a lineup with 8 righties.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Lone Star Ball is like the deepest circle of SBNation Hell
Never scrolling through there again. After a loss like that, we normally lament together and go into super-sarcastic mode and we argue things like “should Pablo have gone up to bat in the 8th?” or we just curse the name of Bruce Bochy but I don’t think we ever get into hair-pulling, teeth-sinking fights like you see in the comment area of a YouTube that has to do with something political.
They mock our “torture” label. They don’t get it either. If we had won our division in mid-July coasted through the last couple months of the season like they did, “torture” wouldn’t have become so apt for this team. Despite all the “Rangers in 5, EASY” comments after we clinched the NL Pennant, they want desperately to be the underdog again, and they sure are now.
I posted a half-drunken facebook status after the game saying “Where my haters at?” I haven’t talked shit to anyone in the town of Lubbock, Texas, mostly trying to find actual Ranger fans and talking straight, intelligent baseball with them and keeping it friendly. My roommate is a die-hard Ranger fan for God’s sake. But when I posted that status all I got were “Fuck you” and “Right here, fag” and “That shit was a fluke y’all are goin down motherfucker”..even though I explained I just wanted the respect that no one has given this team since the playoffs began, I wasn’t trying to put down the Rangers.
Why does this matter to me? I don’t know. But let’s just say I am very fired up for the rest of this series. Being a Texan most of my life I thought that Ranger fans would be more pleasant if they ever got this far. Don’t let your guard down, Giants. 2-0 series leads aren’t safe on the road. Man, I love this team more than any sports team I can remember.
HATERS GONNA HATE. GO GIANTS
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
by techsig12 on Oct 29, 2010 3:33 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If the Rangers lose, they don’t have the Cowboys to fall back on. All hands on deck.
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You misspelled "Raiders"
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
All hands on dreck
They’ve got a real mess.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions
They do.
But if you blink this weekend, the series could very well be tied at 2-2. I’m just bracing myself for the possibility.
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
Not arguing
Game #3 depends on which Sanchez shows up. Game #4 is a bit of a coin flip.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Bum's chances
he looks like he’s pretty well-adjusted to this whole post-season thing.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I also like JSanchez's chances...
In a much less pressure-filled game 3, already up 2-0. 1-1, and I’d be nervous…
I really, really don't know what to make of Sanchez in game three.
I’d love to see him come out, strike out 13 in six sparkling innings, and let the bullpen shut things down the last three. Atlanta style Sanchez, please.
But, if he’s not feeling it, then… we might really be wishing for Zito on the roster. Unless we can pull a repeat of Game Six vs. the Phillies. But, I’m just dismissing the possibility of Bad Sanchez from my mind. I don’t want to consider that on no sleep. Sound good?
Even if the Rangers tie it up 2 games to 2,
we can still look at it as a three-game series with home field advantage. Although that kind of scares me, too.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate everything about Texas pro sports
Their college teams have great tradition and success. But get real. That is not a baseball state and they have two teams. Rangers fans make no sense to me. Let’s shutdown that claw and antler horse crap and win it in their bumpkin backyard.
I’ve never seen such a cocky fanbase whose team is playing for their first championship in franchise history.
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
I can't picture the dudes at the Alamo...
talking smack after the first 100 casualties.
Pride, confidence, even bravado have their place, but the Rangers fans seem to be losing the plot. Maybe the Yankees will take them on as AAA fans.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Its easy to be cocky when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Exhibit A: F.P. Santangelo.
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by Solidarity on Oct 29, 2010 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D REALLY HARD
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't read LSB at be at work
because the firewall blocks it for “Offensive Material.”
then don't go there
and don’t make facebook posts “looking for respect”.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As an Oklahoma alum...
we have a saying for this… “Beat the rush, hate Texas now.”
I would just like to add that Javier Lopez is fucking awesome.
"Notre Dame will win the BCS national championship. Count it." -PiKAgiant
also Matt Cain
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Yes.
For the whole Giants post-season…
Player – Total WPA
Brian Wilson 1.168
Matt Cain 1.085
Cody Ross 0.939
Tim Lincecum 0.569
Javier Lopez 0.414
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions
The fact that two relievers can rank so highly sort of highlights the flaws with the WPA stat.
But at the same time, it just confirms that Brian Wilson (and Javier Lopez) are awesome.
Also, Matt Fucking Cain.
No, they get situations where the game is more likely to hang in the balance. It’s quite fair.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Bochy has been truly masterful with the bullpen
That chart really shows why. He’s completely unafraid to use his best relievers with the game on the line.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
If it was a best of three series...
Do you vote Sanchez, Uribe, and Renteria as shared MVPs? I can’t pick any one of them as clear-cut faves ahead of anyone else. Also Ross is still raking. Also Matt Cain — but hopefully he will not have to pitch again so he gets minimal consideration.
Little Dude FTW! [but, not]
3 game series? Cain would essentially have the MVP sewn up.
Player – WS WPA total so far
Matt Cain 0.489
Freddy Sanchez 0.272
Edgar Renteria 0.153
Juan Uribe 0.074
Cody Ross 0.073
Rent would have to put up an insane batting .345 WPA like Freddy did the other night just to equal Cain. Not likely F. Sanchez drives in the first 2 or 3 runs in a close game, hits a game wining shot late, or has 3.5 doubles again. It’s doable, but the odds are against it.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 4:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Woah nelly
Long way to go. This has got jinx written all over it
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Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 29, 2010 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
There is no such thing as a jink.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Says you.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 29, 2010 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions
If you can give scientific evidence that there is such a thing as a jinx in baseball, with James Randi as arbiter, I will sell a kidney and give you the money.
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If you can give scientific evidence that there is such a thing as damnation in the religious afterlife sense, with James Randi as arbiter, I will sell a kidney and give you the money.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Please don't give any credibility to the Amazing Randi
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Care to elaborate?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a doofus who doesn't believe in anything he can't explain or measure
And his so-called “challenges” to psychics are merely strokes of his own ego, played entirely upon his own terms.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
No. But look at this..
/throws shiny object
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Heh. C’mon, you think I’m falling for that ol… Hey, look, ballons!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not superstitious at all, but after 2002, I’m not going to talk or think about the Giants winning until and unless they’ve won. Not because I think it’ll affect anything, but because I’ll feel like a jackass again if they don’t.
Making calculations based upon statiscal histori-garbage rather than situation reality since 1980
Adopted Giant: Kaohi Downing, your next dominant reliever 1.47 ERA in S-K, with 34 K in 42 IP. Uh, just ignore his age and the walks, please!
as always
Listen to jcb
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
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5000 Quatloos on the newcomer!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I had champagne in the refrigerator for game six in 2002. They lost because of me.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
One would be hard pressed to identify . . .
any group that is more superstitious than baseball players. Their tradition is rich in it, and each new generation comes up with new one, which never seem to die. Virtually no player is immune to the “lucky underwear” syndrome, whatever it might actually be. The “rituals” of batters and pitchers make the games last three or four hours.
I guess sailors are the other most superstitious group.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 29, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Like I said yesterday, it’s funny how perfectly logical and reasonable the argument “if we lose tonight, it’s your fault” is to a baseball fan.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s part of the fun.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Totally.
As the game gets more and more frustrating, what better outlet for your anguish than your roommate’s refusal to grow a playoff beard?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
My non-baseball friends look at me very seriously
and tell me, “You know you can’t really affect the outcome of the game with your shoes, right?” I’m still wearing the lucky Converse.
My response is always, “why take the chance?”
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Now THAT is how you apply logic!
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Indeed!!!
But silly nonetheless.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 29, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The heuristic mind, apparently, is to blame
Evolution has rewarded the ability to make connections where none exist, over the inability to make a connection when it would have been important to do so.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
’Tis.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 29, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a great episode of “King of the Hill” (don’t hate, I think it’s well-written) where Hank is teaching Bobby about football, and he explains all about mojo and jinxing during sporting events. In typical KotH fashion, it’s a fabulous summary of one of those things that we all seem to do without giving too much thought to.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I guess sailors are the other most superstitious group.
Don’t forget actors!
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I share the blame.
I’d gotten up to get the glasses out of the cupboard when it started to happen.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Thus . . .
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 29, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
LSB is hilarious
Cain was not dominant.
How the hell many grooved fastballs did we pop the fuck up tonight? Cain was solid, but as the Rangers have proved time and time again, nobody can have a team slump like they can—and the way they failed tonight was textbook for this team when it’s in a funk.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
Proud Aussie father of Roberto Kelly
Matt Cain was Matt Cain.
Was he dominant? No, not really. The ball was put in play far more often than my heart would like, but that’s always been the case with Matt. The xFIP conundrum, of course. I’ve long since just decided that Matt Cain will be Matt Cain, but dominant isn’t a word that we usually associate with him.
Just simply extremely effective.
Also
before I get jumped on for trashing Matt Cain, I’d just like to say that he’s my favorite Giant by pretty significant amounts. I love the fact that he’s effectively a walking cliche that spits in the face of all I (and other stat nerds) hold dear, despite the fact that I’d hate him if he were on almost any other team.
He gets the job done, he executes, he bears down, he plays the game the right way, he’s gritty, a gamer, he’s Matt Fucking Cain. Is there a tiny bit of luck buried in his grittiness somewhere? Eh, perhaps. One could even say probably. But I’m not entirely willing to say that it’s not simply Matt Fucking Cain being Matt Fucking Cain, and being suitably effective despite what the numbers, and often-times, our eyes, tell us.
Iffy strikeout rate, higher than we’d like walk and fly-ball rates? No problem. Because Matt Cain. He’s not dominant, just effective. Effective to the tune of being the team’s MVP so far these playoffs, in my mind. For all the storybook homers, for all the clutch hits, for all the gutty relief performances, and bearded, cross-armed salutes, there’s just this guy, this third starter at best, going about his business like few have ever done before.
Matt. Fucking. Cain.
Also, it might be 8 in the morning out here on the east coast, I may not have slept, and I just might be slightly drunk still.
Matt Cain.
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by Voxx on Oct 29, 2010 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cain and Posey were smart enough to realize that trying to strike out 6 or 8 or 10 was probably suicidal. They took the path of least resistance and let the park do some of the work for them.
I’d much rather go 2-0 with smarts than 1-1 with more Texas-style macho bullshit “dominance”. Clearly they are too hung up on themselves and the thoroughly hollow career strikeout record of their new boss, Nolan Ryan.
K’s for show, batted ball outs for dough.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions
A pop up or a can of corn is as good as a strikeout. Sometimes, it’s better than a strikeout. You can’t strike someone out on a 3-1 pitch. Or on a 0-0 pitch. Cain only had 2 strikeouts, but he induced at least a half dozen “automatic outs.” Three singles and a double (two and two but or Ross’ diving play in the 6th). I consider that dominant.
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Ugh. This argument.
A pop up or can of corn are ‘not’ as good as a strikeout, because that implies a pitcher has a large degree of control over what happens when a ball is put in play. That can of corn could have just as easily been in between two outfielders for a game changing double.
Matt Cain was very, very good last night. Matt Cain was very, very effective. I couldn’t in good faith call him dominant, however. And I’m okay with that. Effective is what we needed, effective is what we got. Dominant would be Lincecum’s game against Atlanta, or Lee’s against the Yankees. What we saw last night was just Matt Cain being Matt Cain. And that was amazing.
Matt’s performance tonight is the equivalent of Lincecum’s 14k game.
They pitch different styles. Timmy gets his K’s. Matt pitches for contact. The only hits they could muster off his stuff tonight was 3 singles and a double. Keep in mind this is the team that lead the majors in average, hits, and were top 5 in runs and OBP.
Matty had his stuff and never really looked bad. Sure there were tense moments, but he was as locked in as MadBum was in his relief against the Phillies.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry.
No way in hell was tonight even close to Lincecum’s game. If you truly don’t understand the difference, then I’m not going to bother trying to carefully explain it through my pleasant haze at eight in the morning.
Matt was very, very effective, and the Giants win. Let’s just agree on that, and be happy.
Lincecum and Matt pitch differently. For a guy who pitches for contact, tonight Matt was completely dominant with his stuff. All his pitches were working and he was doing what he wanted with them.
Check out his zone.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
The point I'm making is that 'pitching to contact' is a pretty iffy game plan,
and it’s pretty much impossible to be truly dominant when trying to do so. If a ball is in play, it has the chance to hurt you. If many balls are in play, that’s the chance for bad things to happen. Tonight, those bad things didn’t happen. Because Matt Cain.
Matt Cain was good, Matt Cain was effective, and the Giants win. I’ll take it. I’m also done arguing the point.
Dominance is dominance.
If Cain tonight wasn’t an example of dominant pitching for contact to enduce flyouts, like he has done all season. I’d like to know what you consider to be dominant pitching for contact.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions
'Dominant pitching for contact' doesn't exist.
Not to the degree of allowing walks, with few strikeouts. There are control pitchers, of course. Lee, Maddux, Halladay. These guys still strike out more batters than you’d expect, while keeping pitch counts low due to inducing ‘weak’ contact.
I’m not entirely sure what you think that table says, other than that he pitched 7.2 innings of pretty efficient baseball. That’s good. That’s what the Giants needed. And Matt Fucking Cain delivered.
But calling his evening ‘dominant’ is just an incredible stretch, especially compared to some of the gems we’ve been spoiled with as of late. It’s effectively semantics at this point anyways.
I repeat. Matt Cain was very, very effective. The Giants won. Let’s be happy.
This table shows that he was working his pitches. When you’re taking almost 10-11 pitches to get out the side in the majority of your innings, everything is obviously working.
Calling his evening dominant isn’t an incredible stretch at all. The PFX shows that he was consistently getting batters to attempt to hit in his zone, I mean really, look at the location of the in-play outs. It’s almost impossible to get them in such a concentrated location unless that is where you are aiming for. AT&T has dimensions Cain knows how to work and it was evident tonight.
If you need to only give up 1 hit to qualify for dominant pitching, quite frankly your criteria is in need of a re-adjustment. Cain made the best hitting team in the majors look stupid tonight.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Hits allowed really are largely irrelevant, and subject to luck to a certain degree.
Matt put himself in a position where balls in play ‘could’ have hurt him. They didn’t last night, however, and that was of the good. Dominant would be putting yourself in a position where there simply aren’t enough balls in play, especially with runners put on base via walks, to conceivably cause you any worry whatsoever.
Is this rare? Of course it is. That’s why there is nothing wrong with simply being efficient and effective, which is what Matt was last night.
Balls in play can always hurt someone if they aren’t capable of making adjustments to determine where they will go into play. Matt Cain is one of the people who can do that. His high fastballs lead to outs, while for most other pitchers they result in runs. He baffled the Rangers and was dominant tonight. To say he as effective or efficient completely undermines that.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh.
‘capable of making adjustments to determine where they will go in play’.
No. Just…. no. Will certain pitches, in certain locations, be more likely to profile certain ways once in play? Sure. But you simply cannot control to any large degree what happens to a ball once it is hit. Some, yes. But not much.
Matt Cain is Matt Cain. He’ll always seem to be flirting with that edge between great and potentially scary. I’m okay with that. He has had starts where he was absolutely dominant. One against…Arizona, I think comes to mind.
He’s also had starts where balls in play were largely favorable (including home runs that weren’t), and he was able to give us 7-9 effective, efficient, Matt Cain-ish innings. He was very, very good last night, and I has a happy due to it.
Matt Cain.
I get the argument
but “pitching for strikeouts”, at least on this team, makes for high pitch counts and early exits from games. Cain and Bumgarner don’t that, and Timmy and Guapo do. Which is how Cain ends up with a bat in his hands in the 7th inning.
You’re obviously right, balls in play can go out of the park or fall for hits, but 10+pitch at-bats for strikeouts create a risk of Mota/Bautista time in the 5th inning.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It might seem
counter productive, but balls in play going for hits means facing more batters, which means more pitches as well. High strikeout pitchers do not necessarily have much higher pitch counts – it’s the walks that do you in, in that regard.
Pitchers have little to no control over what happens to balls in play. That is the whole point of this discussion. There is a reason that career BABiPs for non-knuckleballers are almost always .300 +/- a couple standard deviations.
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by Grant Brisbee on Oct 29, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I *think* I finally understand
why this is both true and not true, and why people hate DIPS, etc. I have been a baseball stathead since 1990 or so.
What I think is going on is that the muddling of the BIP with defense/park behind the pitcher across a season and several seasons is washing out MOST of the signal in pitchers’ control over BIP. I think this is the exact reason why people find UZR and BIP defensive metrics baffling as well.
The FIP model works (predictively) because
1) we have no reliable numbers on “fieldability” of BIP.
2) defensive “play” is not consistent from season to season – or maybe even week to week.
To expand upon 2; We want to predict Matt Cain’s 2011 season. Will he have the same defense behind him? Hell, he doesn’t even have the same defense behind him now as he did in May!
FIP/DIPS just throws up it’s hands and says “Well, we KNOW he’s responsible for BB/K/HR – so let’s just use that”.
I actu ally think I might have a better way (with current BIP tech, not FieldFX or whatever), but I need raw BIP data to test it.
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If I had all the data and lots of time, I’d be more likely to estimate BIP run values, then estimate pitch expected RVs using pitchfx and batter skill estimates and roll those up to a per-pitcher pitch quality number. Which would be the data intensive way of saying, yeah, he got a shutout but he threw a lot of bad pitches, or yeah, he lost, but he made good pitches and the batters just ran into a few.
my idea is simpler
it’s basically iterative UZR. In ZR a BIP is either 0 or 1 in terms of “turn into out-ability”. So credit is 100% to fielder.
In UZR the number is the average over all BIP to that zone over all fielders/pitchers.
My idea is just to use UZR to estimate pitcher’s effect on BIP, then iterate back on to the UZR (fielders), and then to BIP again until it converges.
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A multilevel model with that much data isn’t going to want to converge. I’d probably go with Bates-style point estimates.
reference?
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I’m not sure if I can find a Gelman blog post where he says so. My strong impression based on the work being done on faster sampling algorithms is that convergence remains a real issue for your Gibbs/Metropolis approaches. Doug Bates’s approximations are awfully slow, too, but if you can pack them into memory I believe they’ll be a lot faster.
I’ve always looked at fielding independent pitching metrics (especially as regards Cain) with certain caveats.
1) You can track results, but you don’t always know what goes into results. Stats record that a pitcher left a ball up in the zone to a good hitter, but not always the why. Sometimes the why is important.
2) A lot of stats are based off very large samples – it is also extremely rare for any baseball player to be consistently above average at anything over large samples. Batting average is a good example. Lots of years that are “fluke” years in batting average are only flukes in that they are not repeated. Freddy’s line drive percentage in 2006 was 27%. There was a concrete, certifiable reason why he hit so well that year. Of course it is very difficult to keep that up for a long period of time. Focus can flag, pitchers adjust, injuries happen. The fact that most players can’t keep that kind of performance up for longer periods doesn’t mean no one can.
3) Strikeouts are often a proxy for “this pitcher has stuff that’s hard to hit.” Oftentimes that means late movement on pitches, which we know Cain has. It isn’t a leap to say that, maybe, Cain relies on that movement to allow him to pitch what looks like more hittable pitches. In reality, his pitches are deceptive, and induce some of those popups we know he gets. Late movement and good location does that. Yes, it is really, really hard to do that over several years, but Cain has.
4) If Cain suddenly starts giving up more hits, we only know that he is getting hit harder, not necessarily why. I’d be willing to guess that it would be because his fastball lost some of that late jump, or something similar. It is very, very difficult to have an excellent pitch you can repeat over and over and get good results. Cain wouldn’t be the first person to lose the feel for a pitch. That said, I hope that he can continue doing what he’s done. I love seeing Matt Cain succeed. It gives me warm fuzzies.
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Or it shows that he got lucky and ran into a Rangers lineup that was collectively just missing.
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I hesitate
to call it entirely lucky. All pitching is, by nature, luck based, though, unless you can strike out every hitter you face. When you really do not strike many out, you’re at the whim of fate after a ball leaves your bat.
Is it headed to a fielder? Excellent. Is that fielder Vlad? Oh shit, you’re screwed. Oh, you’re on the Giants. Well, you’re probably in good shape then.
Is it headed in between fielders? Ah well, that’s baseball. And how hits happen. Just try not to have another ball in play happen, and fall in for a hit, causing these things called runs.
Matt Cain was very, very effective. It’s just a process vs. results kind of thing. I’m thrilled beyond belief at the results though, and in the playoffs in particular, that is what matters.
Matt Cain.
Matt was very, very good and I don’t want to diminish that. He made one mistake all night. He didn’t walk people. These are things he can control and he was awesome at them.
The fact that the Rangers were just missing hittable pitches? He can’t control that. That is luck. That is all I was trying to say. Matt Cain was awesome.
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I think there is evidence some pitchers can induce a higher IFFB%, and that Cain is one of them. Further, Cain was playing in front of a good-to-very-good defense (Ross-Torres-Schierholtz in the outfield is just unfair) in a ballpark that favors a set of rangey outfielders more than most. And then he executed pitches that gave him a chance to play to it.
So, yeah, not ‘dominant’ but very effective. I don’t know why we’re arguing.
I didn't really intend to argue.
Just a quibble with usage of the term ‘dominant’, and people that apparently don’t quite grasp the concept of BABIP.
Whatevers.
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Win!
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There’s an argument because there were some people who apparently think that strikeouts are over-rated as a method of evaluating pitchers.
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It's not so much that strikeouts themselves are so highly valued.
It’s just the logical behind ‘keep people off the bases (don’t walk people), and limit chances for luck to hurt you (strike bitches out)’.
A pitcher has no real control over his defense behind him, though that does not diminish the fact that Matt Cain has an ideal park and outfield defense behind him at times. That’s beneficial in terms of results, as we saw last night.
Just have to somewhat seperate results and the process when evaluating things objectively.
Fortunately, it’s the World fucking Series, and I’ll deal with objectivenessivity (it’s a word for the moment, deal with it) during the off-season and regular season.
Two down, Two to go.
Matt Cain.
Can I just say...
Matt Cain’s strikeout rate really is not as bad as people make it out to be? I mean, it’s not amazing, but the way people talk about him, you’d think he was struggling to strike out 5 per 9 or something.
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Oh, I know.
It’s not that bad. And his walk rate was the best this season that it has ever been, right?
I’m mostly just talking about last night, with the low K total. He has starts where he actually ‘is’ dominant , rather than just getting blissfully amazing results.
But you know what? It’s the World Series. I’ll take these results, with a W beside his name in Game Two, over a dominant performance in which he got cained. Again.
I’m just sort of making a point about the process vs. results thing more than any slight against Matt.
FB Movement
One thing I don’t think is taken into account in looking at Cain’s numbers is how difficult it is to barrell the bat on Cain’s FB.
Henry Schulman was on TV after the game and said one of the Texas beat writers asked him if that’s a cutter that Cain’s throwing. Schulman replied, “He doesn’t have a cutter. That a 2-seamer.” and the writer was amazed by all the late movement.
I think it goes a long way to explain how Cain can get so many hitters to make contact and get flyballs without getting hurt. Guys just aren’t able to nut his FB very often.
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doesn’t have a clue about the direction of break.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
This was going to be my response. He’s the opposite of Maddux it seems, in that Maddux got tons of weak grounders off his pitches and Cain gets tons of pop ups. Either way, an out is an out and he’s keeping his pitch count down.
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by The Nick on Oct 29, 2010 2:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pitchers have no control over the defense behind them, but they’d be foolish not to take it into account when deciding what pitches to throw. If Cain had a Burrell – Velez – Guillen outfield behind him, he’d probably throw different pitches. So process and results aren’t entirely separable, since results influence process. I think anyone who says Matt Cain is getting lucky because he gets outs without Ks is mischaracterizing things a bit.
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Greg Maddux would like a word with you.
And Nolan Ryan, one of the all-time strikeout leader would like to share his barely -above .500 record with you.
Pitching to contact, controlling the at-bat, pitching to your defense is what pitching is about.
And Matt Cain does it.
Greg Maddux is #10 on the all-time strike out list, you know.
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He wasn’t generally going for the strikeout. He got in so many batters’ heads so badly they just flailed. He was all about getting you to beat the ball into the ground.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention getting thousands of calls six inches off the plate by sycophantic umpires
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
I’m so sick of talking heads and beat writers blathering about “earning strikes”. The strike zone is a MANDATED area. It’s in the freakin’ rules!
If it crosses the PLATE at a certain height (varying batter to batter), it’s a STRIKE.
Not, if a guy with really good control hits the catcher’s glove, it’s a strike. Nor if some poor sap in his first WS game walks everyone and then throws a belt-high pitch right down the middle, it’s a ball.
Call the freakin’ zone. Forget about who threw it or where it’s caught. Do your job, blue!
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by ToddCommish on Oct 29, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
This has always been a pet-peeve of mine, too
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I also dislike the non-call of the pitch that is in the strike zone, but not in the original target. If it’s in the zone, call it a damn strike.
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Agreed.
I just never understood how it seems acceptable that the personal bias of an official can affect the outcome of a game.
Curt Schilling is an asshole but I believe him when tells some (to me) horrifying stories about Joe West fighting with Dutch Daulton during a game and taking it out on Schilling’s strike zone.
He’s around #220 in K/9, it’s true – somewhere between Mike Krukow and Jose Mesa.
He was also a very unusual pitcher; using him as “proof” that “pitching to contact” is the way to go is a bit like using Randy Johnson as “proof” that ridiculously high walk rates as a young pitcher are irrelevant. They’re both freaks, and they both had careers that defied logic.
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True.
But I’m using him more as an example of the cerebral approach to pitching, i.e. location as the weapon as opposed to brute force stuff.
pls stop
this is elementary baseball knowledge. go read “the book” and come back.
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Wow, condescending much?
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Yeah, this is usually why I avoid conversations like this
I respect sabermetrics in baseball. Most of the time, I agree with the conclusions of the sabermetics crowd. But there are times when I diverge from sabermetric dogma. I’d prefer to not be faced with smugness when I do so.
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+1
and thanks to the spreadsheeters for going easy on well-meaning McC most of the time. I try to avoid accidentally stepping into metrics arguments as best I can.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
What I find irritating about this particular conversation is the fact that “DIPS” theory has hardly been definitively proven. Is it worthy of discussion? Certainly. But you would think the fact that sabermetric formulas and standards seem to change every goddamn year would keep people from acting as though the current popular choice is flawless and not even worthy of discussion. Condescension doesn’t need to be a part of the conversation. And I think everyone here knows that I do tend more toward the sabermetric side of things.
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see?
I thought I was all sassy for knowing about VORP, and here I am standing in my double-breasted suit.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
VORP went snickersnap.
And also, WAR IS THE DEFINITIVE METRIC FOR ASSESSING PLAYER VALUE, DIDN’T YOU HEAR?
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I agree
And statistically speaking, just because all your data points fit nicely onto a mean with predictable variance, that doesn’t mean there is no cause for the variance. Certain points can still fall above or below the mean for a reason. Someone like Maddux or Cain may be able to effectively pitch to contact for a reason (not luck), and still fit nicely within a statistical model based entirely on K and BB rates.
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Okay, glad I’m not the only one who felt put out by this.
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Maddux wasn't so much a strikeout pitcher
as a control pitcher, who still got his fair share of strikeouts. I don’t have his numbers pulled up, but I’d assume his K/BB ratios are damn near off the charts in his prime. If you simply don’t walk guys, you can get away with allowing more balls in play, to a degree.
The Dave Duncan philosophy, so to speak. You’re still not technically ‘trying’ to pitch to contact. You’d rather strike the hitter out. Just strive to never walk batters, and put the hitter in the worst position you can.
That’s pitching in a nutshell, and Maddux personified that.
Then again, there's the Rick Rueschel approach:
On or out in 3 pitches, it’s up to you.
LOL.
by younghutch on Oct 29, 2010 5:58 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
we CAN all just get along!
Just strive to never walk batters, and put the hitter in the worst position you can.
Especially with 4+ run leads or empty bases.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions
No
You are incorrect. Winning record is a stupid way to evaluate a pitcher. Exhibits A and B: Nolan Ryan and Matt Cain. That is a stupid argument and you know it. And Greg Maddux was really good at striking people out.
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How many walks would he have had with an impartial robot calling balls and strikes?
I’ll wager a few. I grew up in the South, watching Braves games on a daily basis. The umpire basically fellated Maddux and Glavine with the strike zone.
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If there was a robot calling balls and strikes, Maddux and Glavine probably adjust their pitching style to it. Who knows what happens then?
more walks
that’s what happens
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they get fellated
by robots? pan sexual plookers?
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Piling on
If you can pitch to contact, and avoid walks, with a solid defense behind you it takes three singles to put the first run on the board or thereabouts. Provided you stay away from the happy zone where things get crushed.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The FIP argument makes assumptions too....
Like strike one and two.
It’s a big problem I have with FIP.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 29, 2010 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Ugh. Your attitude.
A can of corn is, by definition, a lazy fly ball. Unless you’re fielding a Manny-Kemp-Ethier outfield, you are going to make that play 99 times out of 100. An out is an out, especially when it doesn’t advance the runner.
The Texas Rangers were shut out for just the 6th time this season. They managed five hard-hit balls off of him in 29 batters. Matt Cain was effective at inducing weak contact, which is what a fly ball pitcher is supposed to do.
When Roy Halladay threw his no-hitter against the Reds, he didn’t do it by striking everybody out. He did it by inducing weak contact. Which is exactly what Matt Cain was doing. If want to argue that Halladay wasn’t dominant because one of those grounders could have found a hole, then maybe you should re-evaluate your standards.
Kindly check your high and mighty act at the door.
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Weak contact, Hard contact, No-Hitters.
Quality of contact isn’t something a pitcher has a ton of control over. I’m sorry if you don’t believe that, but it’s true. They have some, sure, but not a ton.
Did Halladay pitch brilliantly in his no-hitter? Of course. Was it largely luck aided that a few hits didn’t drop in, or find holes? Of course.
That’s part of why baseball is such a beautiful game. It’s not 100% controllable. Fortune favors the….fortunate. Or something. Sometimes a line drive in the gap is caught, some times a lazy fly ball drops in for a double. Sometimes a rocket to center lands on top of a wall, and doesn’t go for a home run.
Baseball happens. A pitcher can put a hitter in the worst spot that he can, but if they put the ball in play X amount of times, you still should expect roughly Y amount of hits. That’s…all there really is to it. There’s no need for personal attacks on me you know. Just cordially discuss concepts all you wish.
Not sure where to interject but here seems good...
Sometimes BABIP bugs me. Just because a ball is put into play doesn’t mean it’s a rocket. To me it makes sense that if a pitcher has a low BABIP it could be because he is inducing weakly hit balls.
Same for a hitter. If a hitter has a high BABIP couldn’t it be partly due to him squaring up every pitch he hits rather than assuming all of those BABIP points are due to lucky duck snorts?
I guess one would have to sustain a high/low BABIP over the course of at least a few seasons to really see if it is just luck or not. Or maybe you could look at the LD% to see how hard those balls are hit? I’ve heard that LD% isn’t really that accurate either though…
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See, thing is, that even a weakly hit ball can fall in for a hit, much like a screaming liner can.
Hitters can control their BABIP much, much, much more than a Pitcher can. Unless you believe that a pitcher is facing an inferior lineup of hitters, it’s going to even out over time to be the league average, give or take a few % of standard deviation. No pitcher has really been immune to this. Even Maddux, Pedro, Lee, etc have been around league average when things even out.
For certain years, sure, it might be under league average. That’s part of what makes great years special. But it’s just not…something that even batted ball quality (which a pitcher can’t control as much as people would like to think) can effect a ton. It just is what it is.
Opening a counterpoint with “Ugh” isn’t very cordial. That was my point.
You can’t control outcomes; baseball is always a guessing game, even if you’re Mariano Rivera. There’s always an element of luck in baseball, but by the way Matt Cain was controlling and mixing his pitches, he never let the Rangers hitters get comfortable. Nelson Cruz looked like he was walking to the gallows in his third at-bat.
Matt Cain knows that Bochy has put a good defense behind him, with the knowledge that as long as he keeps the ball in the park, he can afford to let a ball drop now and again. As long as he executes and saves his best stuff for when he needs to hold Kinsler on second, he is in good shape.
He was making the Rangers overswing and getting ahead in counts. He was not giving away baserunners for free. Above being “effective,” he was efficient, he was executing his pitches, and he was never really out of control of any situation. He shut down the best offense in the AL. I get that we have differing standards for “dominating,” but I really think you’re underselling Cain’s performance.
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Quality of contact
Just because we do not have a metric that measures it, does not mean it doesn’t exist.
There is only a statistical lack of difference because we have no way to measure the pitcher’s ability to put the ball on a weak part of the bat.
We have all seen it. Woody, Maddox, Rivera, sinkerballers. There is “something” to the pitch that is just a fraction of an inch off to the hitter’s eye vs. a few inches off for a swinging strike. It looks hittable, but they just can’t get the bat on it square.
I think you can look at the pitching graphs from Cliff Lee last night and the LCS and see the difference.
While over a season, it may even out to a wash, in individual games, and individual at bats, you can easily see with your eyes that hitters can or cannot get a bat on the ball square. It is also what made late Bonds so incredible on the reverse. And what has made 2010 Pablo so maddening.
You can also see that a tired pitcher get’s squared up, where the same pitches early in the game do not.
Just because we do not have a way to measure that difference, does not mean it does not exist. It may equal out to 50%, but in individual games it is very clear.
This is one of my biggest problems with the application of sabermetrics. Pitchers can control what happens. 92 mph 2 seam FB pitched to the corner do not result in hard hit balls. Batting practice fastballs do. The averaged results may not indicate a difference, but it is there.
People keep using Maddux as an example, but I think Tom Glavine is actually the better one. Career K/9 of 5.3, career BB/9 of 3.1. Career WHIP of 1.314. His home-run rate is decent but not historically good.
And yet, a career 3.54 ERA and 5 20-win seasons. Hall of Famer. Glavine is the poster boy for inducing weak contact and keeping it up for an entire career. Yes, he had years where more balls fell in and his ERA went over 4. But he was remarkably consistent at outperforming his peripherals, especially over such a long career. Look at his prime years, from 1991-1998: Glavine’s worst season ERA was 3.97 (in a strike-shortened year), and he kept it under 3 in five different seasons. I don’t think that was all an accident.
Cain was completely and utterly dominant.
He got the Rangers to swing at the stuff he wanted, and when they got on base he completely locked them down.
If 4 hits and 2 walks, nearly 8IP and only 103 pitches isn’t dominant, than I have absolutely no idea what is.
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 5:13 AM PDT up reply actions
And how precisely is the number of runs
the Giants scored indicative of dominance in any way? It’s not.
I’m not taking a single thing away from Matt’s performance by saying it wasn’t dominant. It was what the Giants needed from him, and probably more than we could have possibly expected. The Giants are up 2-0 in the World Series.
Because Matt Cain.
Cain has good movement on his pitches. His pitches don’t drop out of sight like Timmy does, so he doesn’t get the high amount of swings and misses that Lincecum does, but his movement prevents hitters from hitting the ball off the sweet spot of their bat.
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Didn't see this and just posted something similar above. totally agree
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To an extent, sure.
But he still allows an awful lot of fly balls, which will naturally have a higher slugging percentage than grounders, even if it ‘is’ difficult to really drive his stuff. It all evens out, really. BABIP tends to be BABIP, at least for a pitcher.
There are studies done by people with far more data and time than I have that show these things.
Dominant.
Several on LSB were calling "fluke" or that Cain somehow did not pitch well. Cain dominated. 7.2 innings, 106 pitches, Zero runs, 4 hits, and two hard hit balls. Lots of SO? No, but that isn’t Matt’s game, fly outs are his game, and he got those. That was a dominate game against a great lineup. Even in the 5th/6th/7th I felt Matt had it under control. The eight was a fluke, but the game was already won, it could only come un-won at that point with a Caining.
Cain cruised through 4, only one single in front of the RF. One hard hit ball by Kinsler in the 5th. One stress inning, the 6th, but even in that inning, Young and Hamilton dropped the ball in front of the fielders, no HR, No doubles off the wall. Matt did his thing, and worked out of the jam. Maybe you can consider Morland’s FO in the 7th as hard hit, but we just put in our defensive OF, and it was hit to triples alley with too much air under it.
Show me the fluke or anything but domination with this: F/IF/IF, K/ F/G, F/1B/SH/F/, G/F/K, 2B/L/G/IW/G through 5. Cruising.
The 6th gets interesting:
Andrus Ground out.
Young single, bloop in front of LF.
Hamilton single, in front of RF, maybe can be considered hard hit.
WP moves them into scoring position. 1 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd. Ok this is dangerous.
Cruz weak infield pop out to 1B.
Kinsler weak fly out to RF
This was the only stress inning.
The rest: F/F/G, G/W-SB/F/F, G/F/F
Other than being a typical Cain no run support game, and a tense 6th, this game was as dominate as Cain can do. If the Giants score 5 in the first, this game is never in doubt. This, against the best AL lineup. That lineup will get theirs, you just have to limit the damage, and Cain did that. Sure I had the usual ohmygodscoresomefreakinrunsformatt panic, but you have to like this:
Andrus 0-4
Young 1-4
Hamilton 1-4
Cruz 0-4
Kinsler 1-4
Murphy 0-4
That’s 3-20 from the top and middle of the order. One extra base hit. No runs. The bottom didn’t do any better.
Matt Cain is better than Halladay, better than Hamels. Better than Lee and better than Wilson.
That’s always so funny, considering how quick we are to admit it when we gets pwned.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, because we usually gets pwned by Barry Enright and Randy Wells.
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You don't understand
Cain is not a good pitcher…those things happened because the Rangers were hacking…
Clearly Rangers, Phillies, and Braves are all hackers…Cain would get destroyed if he had to pitch to the Orioles
Cain also was the first pitcher to hold Cruz and Andrus hitless this playoffs. Suck on that, Fox talking points.
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I think you are exactly right.
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by oldjacket on Oct 29, 2010 7:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Can someone please explain to me where I can find the baseball definition of “dominant”?
I know I sound snarky, but I really want to know. It sounds like an opinion to me, not an actual, measurable thing. Unless it’s based on game score or something?
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No, it’s totally subjective. I think he doesn’t fit the profile, but Matt Cain is one of those “You think you can drive that ball, but oh yeah, you really can’t” pitchers. He rarely seems like he’s dominating, until you look at the scoreboard in the eighth inning.
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I’m reminded of Marichal, though without the variety of deliveries.
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by gallo del cielo on Oct 29, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Marichal didn’t walk people. There’s that great story about the time the Cubs were stealing signs, and Marichal told his catcher not to put down a sign — just give him a target, and he’d hit it. Apparently, he did.
Totally apocryphal, probably didn’t happen, but I love that story so much.
Apocryphal stories is the best kind of stories.
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Okay, that’s what I thought. I look at his line and I think, “that’s dominant.” I watched him get out of jams against a scary lineup, and I thought, “that’s dominant.” That’s what I consider “dominant.”
I think it’s pretty easy, even based on numbers, to have a difference of opinion regarding what’s dominant.
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To me, dominance in any sport is the ability to impose your will/style of play on the game. The ability to do whatever you want to do, when you want to and force the opponent into lock step against their will. Matt Cain’s goal was to induce weak contact and keep hitters off balance. In all instances but 4, he succeeded. Then Rangers were helpless to stop him. That’s dominance.
by BestHyperboleEver on Oct 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this assessment.
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It’s a word that means different things to different people, and so is open to interpretation. People that think they have the ‘right’ answer are generally wrong. Having said that, I actually look at WHIP as a measure of dominance. If you’re letting less than a baserunner an inning on, you are dominating the opposition – they are not getting a lot of offensive opportunities.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
i read that too last night
Thought it was funny. There was only one rational response to it. The rest were “Derr Kane is no good”.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 29, 2010 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Here I am…
Rock you like a Hur-durr-cane…
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions
nobody can have a team slump like they can
Again, I’m pretty sure none of these guys have ever seen a Giants game.
The Rangers’ worst stretch of the season: 6 game losing streak, outscored by 14 runs
The Giants’ worst stretch of the season: 1-8, including a 7-game losing streak, outscored by 24 runs.
Another one: 2-7, including a 5-game losing streak, outscored by 25 runs.
Yeah, pretty sure we can give them a run for their money there…
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by jcb9 on Oct 29, 2010 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d just for “[a]gain, I’m pretty sure none of these guys have ever seen a Giants game.” as a rebuttal to any abnormally poor offense performance.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. No bearing whatsoever on this team. The 2010 Giants are writing their own history.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
What is this?
You kids are still awake out there? Good morning!
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Awake implies we ever slept.
Or something like that. Bleary eyed, slightly drunken, eight in the morning.
And need to be somewhere by ten. But, hey. There was apparently baseball last night, y’know? And it was good.
ICT FTW
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Right now, I’m remembering the 2008-2009 Giants, when we were always lamenting how the team could have a shot if they assembled just a league-average offense to go with the awesome pitching.
Well, here we are.
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by jcb9 on Oct 29, 2010 5:22 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It's amazing to realize that this really 'is' a league average offense, somehow.
You skim the lineup, and it still seems like a few shades of LOLineup. But then you realize that there’s actually some patience inside. And some power from multiple sources, even. When no matter who is at the plate, you don’t feel like it’s an automatic out.
It’s strange, really. But I do rather enjoy it. And I just hope the magic pixie dust that is holding the ailing, the aging, and the young together holds out for at least one more week.
But right now, I’m just enjoying things. Because beer.
And Matt Cain.
The offense is not as hacky as it seemed to be early in the year. People did some growing up, even the old people.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a very different lineup from the one the Giants fielded at the start of the season,
to be fair. Burrell, Torres, Posey. Those three in particular, and the upgrade they represent over Rowand and Molina, in the patience category? Big. Almost as big as Bengie himself. Almost.
amazing to say after they have scored 20 runs in two games, but I’m still waiting for that occasional offensive explosion the Giants’ seem to have where they hit four homeruns with a three run job or two. It could very well happen in Texas with that ballpark and the Texas three and four starters going.
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It's possible that we could have a few more extra base hits sprinkled in.
Maybe. I wouldn’t count on it, though. We’ve been a doubles machine these last two games, with the occasional triple and jazz hands.
I just wouldn’t count on a holy-shit-did-they-just-walk-sixteen-batters moment, ever again. So we probably ‘will’ have to hit the ball even better to score similar amounts of runs.
This may or may not happen, which may or may not mean that there is beautiful, sweet torture awaiting us.
Keep it close, get it to the bullpen, and get to their rattled, young bullpen. I wouldn’t mind seeing Brian Wilson dancing off the mount with his beard dancing and screaming (Yes, his beard can, and will. Don’t deny it), down in after delivering us the never-easy innings he does so well.
Giants Baseball : Torture got them this far, and I expect to see it in heavy doses these next few games. Let’s just hope things hold out.
I could pretty much tell it was a league-average offense once we had Burrell and Posey in it. I mean, all you have to do is look at 2010 OPS+ for the starting lineup:
Torres 119
Sanchez 98
Huff 138
Posey 129
Burrell 119 (SF-only 132)
Ross 93 (SF-only 118)
Uribe 99
Sandoval 95/Renteria 90/Fontenot 73 (umm yeah, Fontenot shouldn’t have been starting)
Looks like a league-average offense to me. And if you assume a sustainable sort of “rejuvenation” factor for Burrell and Ross since coming to the Giants, maybe even a bit better than average.
This lineup has, dare I say it, veteran grit.
I’m not kidding. I believe that Burrell, Uribe and yes even Roawand have been very influential in keeping everyone on an even keel in these playoffs.
And Huff, I think, even though it’s his first dance. He seems fairly unflappable.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been very, very pleased with how Huff has swung the bat, yes.
He put together solid plate appearances against two lefties who are quite tough on lefties these last two games. And don’t give me the ‘But Huff hit better against Lefties this year’ dealio. There’s more data than a season to back up him having some issues against tougher left handers, but he battled.
Whole damn team battled, actually. Strange how this 20 runs in two games thing happens, eh?
Yeah
This is exactly what our wildest dreams from the past couple of seasons would have looked like.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 5:24 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
G: “Wanna go fight some terra?”
N: “Sure, beats watching this horseshit.”
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
when they were getting sprayed with ginger ale after beating the Yankees they didn’t remember that moment.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
2 more wins. I don't know whether to be thrilled or to throw up.
Those of us who live through every. fucking. second. of. the. 2002. World. Fucking Series. will not fully release our collective breath until the final out has been recorded…and probably not even for a few minutes after that.
I cannot even think about the intense, personal joy and satisfaction that a World Series win would bring to me. I have to, have to, take each game, each pitch, each at-bat on a one-at-a-time basis. Those of you who say the Series is over, I’m not hearing you. The entire CSNBA gang talking about whether they want to let Texas win 2 games so as to bring the Series back to San Francisco for a home field celebration, just stop it.
Just enjoy the ride and pay no attention to the 3,000 drop of about 3 inches to your right.
by younghutch on Oct 29, 2010 5:33 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Be thrilled to throw up
It’s torture inside (of you).
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions
And yeah I actually typed the words “5 outs to go” on another message board in 2002.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I found a piece I wrote after Game 5 in 2002. I’ll post the whole thing later, but here’s the end of it:
But now, it seems, they’re on the verge. One more win, and all of our lifetimes of tension can be relieved. One more win, and so many ghosts can be exorcized. The ghosts of players who have failed us – Atlee Hammaker and Candy Maldonado and Saloman Torres. Players for other teams who have crushed us: Jose Oquendo and Benny Agbayani and Bobby Jones. Say these names to any long-time Giants fan and watch them wince in pain. But more win, and we can all finally breathe a sigh of relief. We can finally, perhaps, forgive the likes of Candy and Atlee.
Of course, if they find a way to lose again, it will be the heartbreak to end all heartbreaks. I know I’ll be crushed, and I know it’ll be a long, long offseason. Of course, in the end I know I’d still be back next year, suffering for the Giants.
/sob
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Thanks
I just threw up in my own mouth.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 29, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions
in 2002
when we had the lead i called up my dad and was like “we’re gonna win!”
#itwasallmyfault
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 29, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I still wonder...
Why so many people blame Torres for 1993. Sure, he was pretty ineffective in a crucial game, but the Giants were only down 3-1 after the book was closed on him. The game was still very winnable. Burba, on the other hand, was the one to really put it out of reach.
Oh, and I blame the 1993 Rockies. I hate you…
Yeah, dude was like 14. Cut him a break.
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or they should have been willing to deal him for McGriff.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
its better to blame Dusty. he was convinced that he should start Torres b/c the Dodgers should have started Fernando in 1980, thus rookie = rookie. Torres had been awful in his prior few starts accounting for the Giants losses down the stretch. He also was quite mentally fragile. Dusty should have known about that. It’s not like he had many better options, but he did have other options.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really blame him. Mostly I blame Fred McGriff, the Rockies, and Bob Quinn for not being able to get us an upgrade other than Scott Sanderson and Jim Deshaies.
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Aren't the Padres a better target for blame than Fred McGriff?
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Seriously
Someone uttered those words? WTF, now I’m certain this thing is coming back to San Francisco. Way to go douchebags over at CSNBA. I just got a little nauseous hearing that someone said that. Anyone have any nitro pills?
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by Giant Torture on Oct 29, 2010 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions
idiots
Eric Byrnes was talking about parades on KNBR yesterday.
Win games in Texico. Actually just win Saturday. If not, Sunday and Monday would be fine too.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
this article makes me want to stab myself in the face
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-h-teitelbaum/whats-wrong-with-baseball_2_b_774505.html
Apparently, baseball sucks now because Ryan Howard strikes out more than Joe DiMaggio, and the playoff structure is terrible because it prevented the Yankees from playing the Phillies in “a true World Series.”
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oh, god, and his solution...
One approach would be to give them an additional home game, i.e., 4 of 5 in a five game series, and 5 of 7 in the league championship series. This would increase the probability that the teams with the best regular season records would advance to the World Series, by providing a distinct advantage which was earned by their season winning percentage.
Also, his website makes my eyes bleed.
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There was a lot, a LOT, of fail in that column. I agreed with this, though, but for the exact opposite reason he thinks..
Selig is currently advocating for adding another wild card team to the playoff rounds, which would further dilute the standard of excellence that should define a playoff berth.
Before I hit my main point, let me rhetorically ask: were there any teams that missed the playoffs this year that shouldn’t have? The White Sox faded down the stretch; fans of the Red Sox and Cardinals had mentally thrown in the towel by the time rosters expanded. The Padres were the only team in the majors to finish less than FIVE games out of the Wild Card. And though they had a feel-good story the whole year, they too were clearly gassed by the end. The Phillies would have rolled over them just as easily as they did the Reds (remember the Reds? They- and the Twins- were in the playoffs this year. Crazy, right?).
Anyway, I think expanding the playoffs would help the dynastic franchises. It would force the little guys having improbable runs to work their magic for an extra series. The more games you add, the more likely the results regress to their expectations, and the more likely the biggest spenders win. As it currently stands, the playoffs are a crazy roll of the dice and any franchise can see themselves winning it all if they can just make the postseason. All adding a extra berth would do is further dilute the point of the regular season, a la NCAA or NBA basketball. And who wants baseball to become more like basketball? Just enjoy the golden eggs and leave the goose alone, Selig.
I understand that parity has its irritating aspects (rent-a-players FTL, right, Mat?). I can see how the booms and busts of the, say, 2006 Tigers and their ilk can be maddening to a traditionalist. But since the advent of the Wild Card, fans of the Marlins and Diamondbacks and Angels and Astros and Rockies and Rays and Rangers fans got to see their team make the Series for the first time in EVER.
And the Indians, Yankees(!), Padres, Mets, Giants, Red Sox, White Sox, Cardinals, Tigers, and Phillies all broke World Series-appearance droughts of a 13 or more years (Fun Fact: the Giants had the shortest gap of all these teams, unless you count the Marlins, Diamondbacks, and Rays. And I don’t.). Also the Braves, though they had no drought.
Even the poor Mariners, Orioles, Twins, Cubs, and Dodgers(!) have won games at the LCS level in that time. And, uh, the Reds and (LOL!) A’s each made an LCS but got swept.
That’s twenty-five out of thirty teams that have gotten at least the rush of being within four wins of a World Series appearance. So ask a fan any of those twenty-five (OK, twenty-four minus the Yankees) teams how he feels about that sepia-toned crap.
The concept of someone pining for the good old days of the Yankees playing in every single fucking World Series is mind-boggling.
PS: Sorry, Pirates, Expatinals, Blue Jays, Royals, and Brewers. Thatsabummerman.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't a 'true World series'
just pit the teams with the most regular season wins in each league against each other? That’d be what, Phillies/Rays, right? Not even the Yankees, in this case.
Never mind the whole ‘World’ aspect of things that I’m not going to touch with a sixty foot barge pole.
yup
Plus, the Yankees were, of course, the Wild Card team, which means that rewarding the team with home field advantage would’ve just hurt them more.
To be fair, though, they did have a better record than the Twins…by one whole game.
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you are exactly right
which is why the wild card (and divisions with fewer than 7 or 8 teams) is bad.
You want to go to the playoffs? You have a 162-game play-in. A 7-game league championship, and a 7 game association championship (i.e. the World Serious) after.
An epic pennant chase between Tampa and NY ends with the Rays facing the Twins, who beat the Rangers by 4 games (which would have been a race until the last few days of the season). The Giants finish an all-time great 3-way pennant chase over SD and CIN. The Phillies still run away with the east, but who cares with all the scoreboard-watching the other three races generate.
And Uribe still shanks Philadelphia with their own ballpark, while we’ll never know about the Rays and Twins (Rays I guess- the Twins didn’t really do to well against the Yanks).
This is where the story gets bad, as the Giants go to play in a big terrarium in Florida for 3 days, possibly without having bombed the AL “champion” for two games.
Baseball could fix this if they wanted to, and if (as you say) they didn’t need to allow extra chances for the Yanks/Sox to play in each year).
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I like your thinking. Big divisions also make it less likely that one team wraps up the division too early.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
With 30 teams, I’d prefer to let more than 4 teams into the postseason. I think that sports should give fans something to cheer about more often than not.
Structures like this lead to situations where a team wins 103 games and doesn’t go to the playoffs because they had the misfortune of being good in a year where one team happened to be better, without a chance for a direct rebuttal.
To me, it’s a plan that punishes many and rewards next to nobody.
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“without a chance for a direct rebuttal”?
Head-to-head games are pretty direct. Dominate and it helps your cause.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
it's not punishing anyone
it’s rewarding the team that wins the 162-game play-in. For a very long time there were two 8 team divisions and two teams made the postseason. Four 8 team divisions (never mind expansion/contraction problems for the moment) would mean 4 teams make the postseason.
The Giants were punished in the current system this year by having to play a 5-game playoff against the Braves. Wild card teams are competitive, because that’s baseball, especially in 5-game series. Anyone really can beat anyone else in a short series like that.
I get that the reverse once happened and the Giants stayed home with over 100 wins, but this year would have been baseball’s way of giving that back to them. Instead a team with 90 wins is playing in the World Series, after beating another team that wouldn’t have won a pennant either.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t mind that, honestly. About the Wild Card team having a chance to upset. But I don’t see why some people think it’s so important that the “best” team win every year.
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that's what's nice about a 162-game play in
not a lot of room for kvetching.
It’s never going to happen anyway, but it’s either think about that or think about not having a ballgame for another 975 billion hours.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I honestly think the baseball playoffs are exclusive enough. I like the randomness that a Wild Card team could win it all some years by a stroke of luck.
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Haven’t they won it quiet a bit since the WC started?
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indeed
The “home field advantage” is not that big a deal in baseball. An 8-8 NFL team is going to have a hell of a time getting to the Super Bowl, but the Rockies, for example, could well have won a couple of three game series this year.
I just think the games are different, but they’ll never get rid of the WC now, unless they go to 4 4-team divisions (which I don’t want either). Anyway, this system has led the Giants to the WS twice in the last decade, so game on.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s why I like Jayson Stark’s suggestion, which is partially modeled after the NFL playoffs. You have TWO wild card teams, which keeps more teams in contention for longer, and you extend the playoffs by making the two wild-card teams go head to head in a best of three play-in, with little turnaround before the start of the Division Series.
It lets more teams participate in the playoffs, but penalizes teams that only get in by virtue of the wild card. You add extra incentives for teams to win the pennant above and beyond the token reward of home field advantage. Plus it can be done without meaningfully lengthening the duration of the playoffs.
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like I said below
I think it’s an agree-to-disagree thing. I think every additional playoff round makes regular season games more boring and irrelevant (cf. college basketball). And baseball has a season with twice as many games as the playoff-tournament sports, so that’s going to be a problem as the years go by and they keep adding on.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see how it makes them more irrelevant, since the margin of error for making the playoffs is still relatively thin. In 2009, the Giants would have beaten out the Braves, Cubs, and Marlins by a margin of less than three games. Ultimately the better team in the Phillies still would have eventually prevailed, but it would have made the last two weeks of the season a lot more interesting for those four teams, not unlike the scenario you described with SF, SD, and CIN under your model.
More successful teams are better for the sport in the long run, from a competitive and a financial standpoint.
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the margin for error in making the playoffs
is less “relatively thin” as the bar goes down. The Giants would have been in the playoffs in September, and maybe SD too. Two of the most exciting teams down the stretch, playing three of the most exciting games of the season, are now playing 3 irrelevant games so that a couple of barely +.500 teams have their games made “relevant”.
I love hockey, and hockey is the best example of the phenomenon IMO. October and November? Who cares. President’s Trophy? Totally irrelevant. It’s pretty much all seeding the post-season tournament. Which is fine, and I think that’s where baseball is eventually headed one way or the other.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess that’s where we diverge.
I’d rather have a lower bar and 10 teams with something to be happy about in October than a higher bar with only 6 teams bothering to check the standings in August. If my (or Stark’s, rather) leads to seeding, then yours leads to a Champion’s League, which if you ask me wouldn’t fly in the US.
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that I can agree on
adding the first wild card headed down that road and it’s not turning back.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
So perhaps the difference can be split between the two of you and things can be left as they are?
Please, Bud?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ha
I refer you to the modest proposal earlier this year, which was so complicated and stupid I can’t even make fun of it now. Something about mashing all the divisions around and variable division alignment and zzzzzzzzzzzz
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It punishes somewhere between 4 and 26 teams that could conceivably had a good season and be denied an opportunity to appear in the playoffs. While it might keep the best teams from clinching too early, it eliminates less competitive teams that much more quickly. Ticket sales will decline. Low payroll teams will have less of an incentive to invest in their teams since their chances of making the playoffs are lower, and the risk-reward structure falls. Bad teams become worse.
It’s anti-parity, pro-dynasty. Which is bad for everybody not wearing the crown.
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BUT THIS IS AMERICA
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
baseball socialism ftw!
In Russia, playoffs make wild card!
Seriously, bottom-dwellers are a problem but a system where the Yankees or Red Sox make the playoffs every year isn’t doing much about that, IMO. The Rays would have beat both of them this year. And low-payroll teams seem to be more willing to take their chances with union grievances (and stuffing their pockets with nice money from the upper division teams) instead of actually playing ball.
Anyway, baseball’s done about as well controlling eastern dynasties lately as they have historically. Adding more teams to October Madness means the financial underbelly stays hidden, since, say, the 81-81 second place Athletics could make the playoffs. They would have survived an epic battle to stay 2 games ahead of the 80-82 Los Angeles Angels.
It’s a different game than football and basketball and hockey, and I think using the same model for the playoffs moves further from what made June games against the Reds exciting (i.e. need to stay close to your pennant rival) toward making games like the Rangers v. Rays in the ALDS exciting, or the Rangers vs. whoever in the pre-playoff play-in.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because that’s what we really need to make baseball more exciting: more Yankee games.
Man, I wish I could get paid for utterly talking out of my ass…
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Yeah! He's right!
Upsets shouldn’t be allowed in baseball because nobody likes them!
I can’t believe this. He’s really complaining about good teams losing to teams with worse regular season records? If we’re going to go by his suggestion why even play a World Series? Why not just give the title to the team with the best regular season record and abolish the postseason altogether?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This both amuses and annoys me.
Amuses me, because, well. The Rangers bullpen really has shit the bed.
Annoys, because it implies that the Giants actually aren’t pitching well, when Matt Cain was Matt Cain was Matt Cain.
I’ll just take it in the tongue-in-cheek manner that he probably (although I don’t want to give McCarver to much credit) meant it, and snicker at the Rangers misfortune. Damn that was a lot of walks.
seriously
How many times have we watched teams pitch themselves into trouble and then seen Molina end an inning with a GIDP or one of who knows how many Giants pop up the first pitch or strike out on three dirtballs?
Huff and Nate et. al. staring at all those pitches, and Torres and Rowand and Rent pounding some, that was just beautiful and totally new for these guys. I mean, not in Sept. and Oct. but over the season.
And it forgets that He Who Catches started it all with his first hit of the game, with 2 outs in the 8th. He looked disappointed having to walk home, but I know he wanted the run.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
The game was already WON when the 8th inning happened.
It could only come UN-WON from that point.
Cain won this game before the 8th ever happened. (yeah yeah yeah game6 2002)
The bullpen made sure it stayed that way.
The bottom half of the the eight was just a distraction. It was a fluke, but one that had no influence on the outcome of the game.
Take out the 8th, and it is exactly the type of game we win and have won all year.
omg! So I did hear it right
I was like nah he couldn’t have said that, but i guess its true. What an idiot!
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by girltothemax on Oct 29, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
what a fucking idiot
was he watching the fucking game?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
That was the best thing McCarver has ever said
Not exactly high praise, admittedly.
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He's got it backwards
First off, you can give back all of the eighth inning runs and the Giants still win because Matt Cain and the bullpen held the Rangers to zip, nada, squat.
It’s probably a lot more accurate to say that the Rangers bullpen melted down exactly because of the pressure Cain was exerting on them to try and match his perfection.
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Rent MVP!!
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God I hope not
but I’m not badmouthing the guy today. One more game like that please.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Reverse angle
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by humm baby on Oct 29, 2010 6:18 AM PDT reply actions 26 recs
AWESOME
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Props but I can’t rec it because of the deity thing.
No, wait, it’s a Renaissance painting. Do I care what corpses believed in? Nope.
Rec’d hard!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Mentally just change it to the Touching of His Noodly Appendage
of the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
He’s got the whole world in his noodles! Ramen!
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cthulhu will drink his marinara!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 29, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
DEUS EX FUCKING MACHINA
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions
AT&T Park is great, our fans are great, and the Giants have played great there...
But I hope that last night’s gem was the Giants’ last home game of the 2010 season.
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Agree
Yeah, sentimentality is nice and who wouldn’t love to see Matt Cain, Lopez and Wilson nail it down at home in Game 6?
But foot on the neck at the earliest possible moment, please.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
CJ should have been ejected during the second for using super glue on his blister.
Back in 2003, Montreal Expos right-hander Zach Day was ejected after umpire Bill Miller discovered he had applied super glue to a blister.
From the A.P.‘s account:
Under rule 8.02 (b), a pitcher is automatically ejected if he is found with any foreign substance on his fingers.
“We don’t really believe the kid thought he was cheating, but that has nothing to do with it," home plate umpire Bill Miller said. “He had a foreign substance on his person and that means he is in violation of this rule.”
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
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I have no problem with it either. I just thought it was funny.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't have a problem
with it suddenly “opening up” after they forgot to warm a reliever up. Especially when Darren Oliver.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure he put super glue on it to try and get it to heal up, after he was removed, not actually during the game.
Unless I mis-heard things.
He was using glue before the game and during the 2nd according to this.
He even poured super glue on it during the second inning to prevent it from popping
“My finger ripped open. Usually it’s not as bad,” [Wilson said after the game.] "I’ve been super-glueing it the past couple weeks to keep it together and it just kind of ruptured in that at-bat with Cody Ross(notes). […].
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by Tim LinCyYoung on Oct 29, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, gotcha.
I’m sure the umpiring crew knew about it, and it was deemed passable in this case. Why it wasn’t in the Day case, who knows. Umps interpreting rules differently, or perhaps he was trying to get a slightly different grip out of it.
Case by case basis and all that.
If we’d ended up losing because Cain got cained (and Wilson pitched a hell of a game with his glued up finger), we might all feel a bit differently, though, heh.
sounds like if there is a game 6 and he uses it again, we get him tossed
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I think Bill Miller was the umpire at first base yesterday, too. Interesting.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Oct 29, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Reuters reporting Giants-Based Torture
Tortured Giants fans celebrate their World Series high
Good to see the meme going national.
bad to see stories
about celebrating a “World Series high”. This is World Series foreplay, dammit.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I still can't get over the Matt Cain comps
The only other Giant to have three scoreless starts in one postseason: Christy Matthewson. Holy shit.
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He technically gave up an unearned run in his first game though – does that still count as scoreless?
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Bah.
‘Only other Giant to allow zero earned runs in three starts in one postseason: Christy Matthewson. Holy shit.’
Better?
:P
by Voxx on Oct 29, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd for accuracy as well as HOLY SHIT!
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Dude’s been excellent. Always has been my favorite Giant, and it makes me all warm and fuzzy to see things go his way on the biggest stage possible. As long as I ignore his peripherals (because fuck that shit in the playoffs. World fucking Series!), he’s been amazing beyond belief. Actually, he still has been amazing beyond belief.
Matt Cain. Dude’s a (World Series game 2) winner.
Christy Matthewson's postseason line
4 WS, 101.2 IP, 75 H, 22 R, 10 BB, 48 K.
He's got veteran savvy
Re-sign him nao! Get it done Sabes!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee is better.
/me snickers.
I love Cliff Lee, actually. At least, when he’s not facing the Giants in the World Series. I think the media turned on him maybe a little harshly after Game One, since he didn’t pitch…‘that’ badly. Just some hits strung together, some bloops dropping in, some doubles finding gaps, Still struck out a ton in a short span, and only issued one walk. I look for him to bounce back with a vengeance in Game 5, and the Giants to need sufficient torture to pull out a win.
We have the blueprint. Foul stuff off, get his pitch count up, and try like hell to BABIP him to death. Failing that, get him out of game due to pitch count and try to feast on the bullpen. Failing that, make him lose 1-0 in an 8 inning complete game. I could live with that.
well
there’s no need to turn on him unless you’ve put him on a ludicrous pedestal of perfection for 5 innings/two months.
I hope Fox is studying up on Matt Cain for his Game 6 start (if necessary). In SF. And I hope the thought of that sentence puckers the Rangers’ holes a bit heading into Saturday night’s game. If they don’t get to Guapo, they’ve gotta rely on Hunter against Bumgarner, and I’d hope they’ve seen enough video of Philadelphia games to dislike that idea.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Bumgarner didn’t exactly have a statement game in Philidelphia. He got some strikeouts, but he wasn’t really fooling the Phillies once they’d seen him once through the order.
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I meant
in comparison to Hunter’s performance, and was including his Game 6.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
This,
on the other hand, is very true.
Tommy Hunter has not looked good at all, and his best alternative just became the first pitcher in World Series history to throw more than 10 pitches with only of them going across for a strike.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
that's it
and I hope they think of that in the batter’s box and the field in game 3. That is all.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
TEH STRIKEOUT RATE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Particles.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Strings. Vibrating strings.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
After Cain finished in the interview room, he went back to his locker and I was able to get two minutes with him. I wondered: What the heck will it take to tip your cap to the crowd? If not in the World Series, to a thunderous ovation, with a 2-0 lead in the eighth inning, then when?
"Can’t do it with a runner on base," said Cain, who had issued a one-out walk. "Just didn’t seem right."
<3
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Oct 29, 2010 7:04 AM PDT reply actions 12 recs
I love that attitude
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 29, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
That's awesome.
I do love Matt Cain. Just his entire attitude towards baseball, as well as life, from what little I’ve read.
I love that one article
about how he adjusted to living in a city like San Francisco after growing up in small-town Tennessee.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I can certainly relate.
I was born and raises in a rural Pennsylvania town (Heh, town? Not sure I’d even call it that) and then got tossed in the City lifestyle for College, and beyond. It’s a bit of a shock, and that’s without dealing with this whole ‘throwing a white ball awfully hard’ thing.
I just really love Matt Cain.
Not sure how much of that is lingering booze and the zero sleep. But right now, I don’t really care.
it's not just you
One of the young MCC regs has a buddy who touches 95 in high school and is projected to go sandwich round or so in next summer’s draft. I suggested the kid get in touch with Cain for career advice: he always, back to rookie ball, gave an excellent impression of his baseball and general makeup.
With a less-talented pitcher, I might point him at Yeah Joey.
Cain and Buster
hopefully will continue to add to the legacy of Giants from the deep south like Mays, McCovey and Will Clark.
by Countificus on Oct 29, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
rec'd dammit
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
What a douchebag with a punchable face!!!
/mets and Rockies fans
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
♥ Matt Cain ♥
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Cainer is my hero.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 29, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sir Matthew of Orange
He is a classy dude.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Game 3 factoids
Sanchez: 2-1 with 2.88 ERA in five starts following outings in which he didn’t make it to the fifth inning
Lewis: Eleven postseason walks are most of all pitchers
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Best case scenario:
Sanchez is missing bats, and limiting walks.
Worst case scenario:
Does not compute. World fucking Series.
worst case scenario
Guapo pitches like hot garbage, beans a batter and starts a bench-clearer, leaving in the 3rd. Giants win! Giants win!
Or not.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
GIANTS DISGRACE PASTIME AGAIN!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants are not juiced, America
The Panda just like to eat a lot!
BUSY, BUSY, BUSY
by girltothemax on Oct 29, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's nuts that the Marlins almost traded Mike Stanton for a manager
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I would trade Steve Decker for Mike Stanton
Can we get that done?
I'd demand Hanley, too.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Also, can I just say
With the exception of a few 5 or 6 game stretches, Edgar Renteria has been nothing but maligned as a Giant. I think all of us were looking forward to his contract expiring after the season and the Renteria era ending. And yet, somehow, amazingly, he’s managed in the last few games to ensure that his time as a Giant will never be forgotten by hardcore Giants fans. And that’s kind of awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I don’t mind his $500K buy out nearly as much now.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I would actually suggest
a little bonus. And a nice conversation with thanks for his efforts the last couple of months.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
No bonus. Series winners share.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's mostly just the contract, yeah?
He’s always struck me as a pretty useful player, when healthy, just wish the Giants didn’t pay him ‘quite’ as much to do what he does. But when compared to Rowand or Zito…. Rent gets a bit of an unfair shake of things.
It ‘is’ nice to see him put together some good games here, though, for the sake of the team, and the the whole ‘remembering him fondly’ dealio.
Until he comes back next year, and the cycle begins anew.
He was injured a lot and pretty bad last year.
I strongly doubt he’ll be back next year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I'd love to see him retire after this season, especially if he were to go out on a good note.
He’s been a good Giant, really. Injuries just…happen.
This
There are rumors he might retire at the end of the season. That would be a good result for everyone.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I think it’s the right time.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I heard on the radio yesterday that he gave a big locker room speech while the team was in Chicago about helping him go out on top, or something like that. With all the injuries he’s gone through the last couple years, and especially this year, there’s no question he’s considering it. He knows the team won’t pick up his option and probably doesn’t want to go through free agency again. Of course, a great World Series could change his mind, but it could also just reinforce the decision to retire.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Money down the stretch.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Oct 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
like a lot of players
he’s improved in the eyes of McC while he was in the dugout.
And unlike a lot of players, he didn’t disappear when injured (I think Wilson talked about this last night). I scoffed at the “Cody Ross hit a home run because Rent talked to him” junk, but he’s clearly been helping the infielders and the last two games have been great except for the SB last night.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Just like you can’t fault a player for being put in a situation that he is ill-equipped to perform in (see Vladimir Guerrero, starting right fielder), it’s not fair to judge Renteria against the value of his contract (nor Rowand, for that matter). Blame the front office for not properly assessing his value. What’s done is done, and now it’s nearly over, but Renteria has been a valuable member of this clubhouse over the last two years, on and off the field. He has struggled, especially with health, but he has not been a bad player.
I will always remember Edgar for being the first guy on the field when the Dodgers plunked Pablo last year in that series from hell. He’s an erstwhile hero, but he was a good Giant.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
he was out there with Guapo too
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
you can just tell that he is leaving everything he has out there on the field. he’s completely selling out and that earns the ultimate respect.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Just going to set this down here for a second
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Rangers in 5
I’m calling it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Silly Jporny.
*Phillies in 5.
I see red on that graph, so it’s science.
A time machine that goes to Texas?
To Science!
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they believe in science in most of Texas.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
I know several engineers
They are all related to me.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I like trains.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The only one I know holds a degree in neuroscience.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Oh, I take it back. I know one other guy, and he just got his degree in aeronautical engineering.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Needs more invisible intangible influences
Isn’t there supposed to be a star somewhere? This is a flag, right?
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
So....
Is anyone mystified by how Ron Washington in managing this series? I took a gander over at Lone Star Ball expecting to see some vitriol and venom towards the way he handled that 8th inning, but there were only two people calling him out on his decisions and like three people (apathetically) defending his inaction. Small sample size sure, and there seems to be a lot of elbow room over there at Lone Star Ball, but I’m embarrassed for him. I’ll probably feel sorry for him if the Giants go on to win.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 29, 2010 7:40 AM PDT reply actions
Pretty sure he simply is a bad manager, who has a very talented team.
These things happen sometimes. Also, small decisions backfiring on a national stage get magnified a bit. I’m unwilling to lay into him too hard for not pulling a guy quick enough, when he really could have turned it around. Second guessing is all too easy, yeah?
When you’re down by two in the eighth and don’t have 2 people warming up so that you can pull the trigger quickly in the event that your first choice doesn’t have command might be a small decision in May, but in a pennant race or the WS it’s not minor. But then, I’ve always maintained that a managers most important job is managing a bullpen, which is why I’ve been pretty patient with Big Heads lineup decisions and was constantly exasperated by Dusty and Felipe.
I think he may be the classic, Good manager between last pitch and first pitch, but not so good in the game types.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 29, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm reading one of Bill Veeck's books
and at one point (I think talking about Yogi Berra) he speculates that one of the hardest things for new managers (non-pitchers, obv.) to learn is how to manage a pitching staff. Wash is kind of doing that on the job.
I’ve been surprised he hasn’t been Gene Mauch-ing it up much. I thought all that BillyBall double-steal stuff might not work so well against this team as it did against the Yanks, but maybe we’ll see in the next couple games.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The double-steal stuff is
more Billy Martin than Billy Ball. Martin did it fairly frequently (successfully, too), but Beane sticks to his own strange brand of small ball instead.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 29, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
you're thinking of MoneyBall
an upcoming straight-to DVD fantasy film of how a small-market team lost 4 consecutive playoff series, starring Brad Pitt as Frank Menechino, with a cameo by Jose Guillen.
BillyBall was indeed Billy Martin. And it was pretty fun to watch things like Dave Revering steal home.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe if Joe Buck and Tim McCarver talked about him for another 9 innings he might get better.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of the LSB talk after game 2...
…seems to be centric to general NL “clownball” vitriol and how having the pitcher hit is “retarded” (I guess specific to the case where after the IBB, Wilson grounded out to Huff to end the inning).
Time to call the Waaaaahmbulance!
LOL the media trying to sell Wilson’s prowess as a hitter. Matt Cain > CJ Wilson
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I really want him to step into one
His batting numbers (nerd!) were not as good last year as prior years, I used to look forward to him socking some dingerzz during the season.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Ruth, Cobb, DiMaggio...
…Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays…clownballers every one.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Ask Marichal how he feels about the pitching batting…
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
WS batting averages
Rangers pitchers .333
Josh Hamilton .125
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by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 29, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
But Remember!
ESPN experts agree, the Rangers coaching staff has the edge!
but who has Bono?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you hear the other members of U2 fired their entertainment lawyer?
They heard he was working pro bono.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
/requisite groan
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Anyone know where I can watch the pre show from both games?
Keep missing it cause of work. Also my brother said csn had a sit down with Rob Schneider…anyone know how I could find it?? pretty please?
BUSY, BUSY, BUSY
Jim Caple interviewed Schneider before Game 2, and the video is on ESPN. ~5 minutes, covers Giants, Prop 19, and other stuff. Schneider knows his baseball, and has strong feelings on Horace Stoneham. Zuh?
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I miss Moggeee. And E Ticket. And The Mayor of 311.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Mayor has posted sporadically since September
I miss him as an everyday presence though
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Schneider promised to run through North Beach in his Giants underwear
(specifically a thong) if the G’s win it all. Yikes!
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 29, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that a threat?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
you're awesome! thank you!
It's an F-Yeah kind of moment.
by girltothemax on Oct 29, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Bleh.
Time for me to head out and be productive for the day. Like that’s going to happen with a hangover setting in, and zero sleep. Regardless, off-line I must go. Have a glorious day basking in the fact that we’re up two games to none in the World fucking Series, and try not to over think things too much. We’ll have plenty of time for that in the days to come. Take this day and simply… enjoy it.
Take care.
The Giants — the Sabean-constructed Giants — were the first team in the history of the World Series to draw four consecutive walks.
That’s even more amazing when you just sit back and think about it.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
they were due
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Last night was amazing leaving the yard
The walk up 2nd street was controlled and courteous mayhem. People were celebrating, jumping up and down and screaming. The band at the corner had the intersection filled with people dancing and traffic stopped.
We walked through several gauntlets of people just wanting a high-five.
so awesome
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I love this picture
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Oct 29, 2010 8:15 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
LOL this should be a new photoshop magic thing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Flying Bear Icon is Flying
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL the 1 Rangers fan.
“Shit that’s gonna be a home run. D:”
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Check out the old dude in the frey shirt and blue jacker with binoculars around his neck
DUDE IS TERRIFIED
WHY IS AN ALIEN DRESSED AS RENT LAUNCHING BASEBALLS AT ME
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the guy over his right shoulder, he looks like he’s about to vomit.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
That was my reaction
Edgar? Really?
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
!
Thanks for posting this one… I see myself on there! Towards the lower right corner… glasses, BEARD, crazy fish faced stranger lady next to me.
A guy two rows back caught the rebound of the ball.
at the end of the day it's all about kicking the tires
by duke_diligence on Oct 29, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL LSB calling NL Ball "Clown Ball"
Especially funny when you consider this.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
by jhiat00 on Oct 29, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Some of them seem convinced that the only reason they are losing is because of NL Rules
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
In Game 1 they gave up runs because their DH was miscast as a right fielder.
In Game 2 they were possibly denied runs because their pitcher was forced to bat.
The NL has not been good to them, but that’s what happens when you aren’t a very deep team.
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by Solidarity on Oct 29, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what happens when you don’t play in a real baseball league.
by QuakeFan on Oct 29, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I respond with this
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12926817
Just put it to the music of Benny Hill
Rob Neyer must write for LSB
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
And the thing is
A lot of teams don’t exactly have a designated DH either. There’s usually a revolving door at DH.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
It’s a newer trend, isn’t it? There are still plenty of career (or remainder of career) DHers. Vlad, Matsui, Ortiz, Thome… Posada’s got one gimpy foot in the door.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Yeah
Though I would suspect that trend grows in the next few seasons.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
With hitting on the decline and pitching on the rise (and defense in higher demand as a consequence), rosters have to be deeper than they used to be. Plus, the 12 and even 13-man pitching staff is gaining popularity, meaning one or two less roster spots to tinker with. Posistion-less hitters aren’t as valuable as they used to be, so the DH by committeeis getting more popular. All bat and no glove makes Jack Cust unemployed.
Gosh, the Phillies are probably thinking that the DH would be pretty sweet for them right now.
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Ibanez, with Francisco playing left field. In the coming years, rotate Rollins, Werth (or whoever), Utley, Howard, Polanco through the DH spot.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Also, Dominic Brown factors into their field rotation somewhere.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Should we sign Jermaine Dye, you guys?
I hear he can still bring it at the plate.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
this just reeks of fan inexperience and bandwagoning. can you imagine yankee fans complaining about NL rules?
No one here gets out alive.
FACT
If the DH had existed in the 10s and 20s, Babe Ruth might never have become a full time position player.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Do you think most Yankee fans know that, though? Last I heard, they were too busy spitting on Cliff Lee’s wife to be learning about the history of their league beyond the “Canyon of Heroes” or whatever that crap is called.
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Would have stayed a pitcher?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
how would anyone have known how well he could hit?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
/light goes on in head
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Dear Texas Rangers
How about you wait until your franchise is, oh, a century old before you start trying to redefine “two teams of nine players each,” huh?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh oh, hide this post from Giangst
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
The way I see it, we only need to win one of three in Texas. I don’t like the odds of us beating Cliff Lee again, so it has to be one of the other two games.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
I don’t the Giants’ odds as it stands…it will remain this way until Giants wins 4…
2002 is etched in my mind
Well
I know what you mean and I feel it. I remember watching Games 3-5 here and wishing my team wasn’t going away to finish it.
This is different though. The Rangers have to come back here and win in San Francisco. Feels good.
Besides, it seriously feels like fate at this point.
I know what you mean
I’m just really glad we won the All-Star Game this year.
Actually, it’s rather amusing. I distinctly remember seeing the NL win and going, “Man, that’s awesome. And Wilson was really good. It’s too bad the Giants aren’t gonna be in the World Series this year… but I’m sure whatever NL team is there will appreciate it.”
I appreciate it right now.
Remember when Brian WIlson said he was proud of his clean inning and how the NL winning home-field might benefit the Giants, who knows, and we laughed at him? Well, I laughed at him? HUMILIATE ME, BRIAN. PLEASE I NEED IT.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 29, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Game 4
Tommy Hunter is their worst starter.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
But you know how we do against lousy starters...
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 29, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Hunter
I watched Tommy pitch a lot in college. He is a decent pitcher, but nothing like the success he had at the beginning of the year. That was a fluke.
by Countificus on Oct 29, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll settle for one win Texas
Preferably tomorrow night
Two wins in Texas would mean we wouldn't get any more SF games
As much as I wanna crush Texas, I’d rather have the games here. That and I might have game 6/7 tickets =p
I'd rather just win and not worry about how.
Beggars (we are) can’t be choosers
I really really want to post on LSB
but I’m pretty sure I will come off as a troll even if my points are valid
For example: There is this post
Do….
you hear that Giant fans? That is the sound of inevitability. That is the sound of your plane landing in Texas where there is a DH and where you were going to be going whether or not you won games 1 and 2 100-0 or 1-0. Where Rangers fans are for lack of a better word better you than you. Savory in your moment for now but come Saturday at 6:57 comes that time you will look back on as the downfall of your 2010 world series chances. After the Rangers sweep at home it will be time to change the 2010 catch phrase from "It’s Time" to "Here’s my ring size"
I want to respond with “Tampa Bay would like to speak to you”
I shall refrain
Anti-wreck’d for the poor attempt at a Matrix reference muddled up by lots of ignorant.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
just stay away
we have our place to rant, let them have theirs.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I will…they are bitter about some Giants fans posting…haven’t seem them but I hope people wouldn’t do that…
LSB just instituted a 24 hour wait period
Like when the Gas Lamp mod went on an interwebz killing spree when one of the McCoven went on there to chat and people were civil to him? lulz
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
understandable…Gas Lamp has so many visitors and commentors that it can be choosy about who to let in…
That place is so crowded, nobody goes there anymore.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
^ a couple days ago after you left one of ’em stuck up for you. “Interesting dialogue..” type post. . But, last night they were just bat shit crazy.
Eh, honestly, they seem to get bent out of shape by people actually trolling AND people just coming by to talk.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah
The one time I went over there (last night) I saw somebody being pretty innocuous and one of the comments was something along the lines of “coming over to another team’s forum is always stupid but now is especially terrible”
Let’s just say I liked thegoodphight way better than LSB. And talkingchop, now that I think about it, though TC is much better than LSB, too.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I think everyone here would be pretty snippy
if we had seen the Phillies sweep the first two games in CBP on a bunch of front row homers. They seemed to be relatively ok before the games started.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually I was over there before the series started, too
I just wanted to see what they were saying about the upcoming series.
I was annoyed then, too. There was a lot of people who considered the Rangers and the AL clearly superior. There was one MCCer who went over in good faith and was trying to be pretty even and fair, but was told that he/she was being an obvious homer. Frankly, it was ridiculous.
And I don’t even want to get into a “we’re better” type of thing because I’m seeing some ridiculousness here too (the drugs comments and all of the sniping at Texas [I hate elitism])
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I can get behind that 100%
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
If I say “we’re better” but by “we” I mean the rest of the United States, is that still elitist?
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 29, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
In a way
From my point of view, at least.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I stated that poorly
I don’t think anyone’s actually better than anyone else. I just have an extremely low tolerance for the type of arrogance that comes from Texas both in regards to this series and in general.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 29, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
they’re in shock. it is chaotic for them. They’re pissed and confused. I really don’t think anyone here would be in the mood to distinguish between trolls and someone willing to engage in genuine discussion if we were in the same boat. I just say leave them alone, particularly during and immediately after the games.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I haven’t posted a single comment over there yet, don’t get me wrong. And I agree it’s probably best to just leave it alone.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
But even before the series started, they were pretty trigger-happy with the banhammer.
Is that a mixed metaphor?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
freely swinging the banpistol?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The topic that irritates me the most
is the DH discussion and how the NL is clownball…
I understand why having a DH is fun but pitchers should hit…DH is basically a way for a player to make more money when he can’t play the field anymore
Right. The DH is extra jobs for creaky veterans and the MLBPA, which is why the league would be hard-pressed to get rid of it.
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"two teams of nine players each"
I really don’t know what about that is so damn hard to grasp.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Players are athletes. Pitchers are not athletes. Therefore, pitchers do not count.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
First rule in the book.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I made an observation years ago
That fans of AL teams (who were not fans prior to 1970 or whatever, and aren’t just contrarians) are usually in favor of the DH. Fans of NL teams are not.
It’s basically saying “our way is better, screw you”
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But the thing is...
it happened. our way is better.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
our way is better baseball
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 29, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
“For lack of a better word, I’m bad at words.”
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
You know, my vocabulary is pretty limited, but I’m pretty sure there are quite a few better words for the word “better.”
by BestHyperboleEver on Oct 29, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
MOAR GOOD
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Better than them?
I haven’t really seen much trolling here from LSB. If you mean talking smack about the other team in their own forum, well, I’m fairly sure I could pull up some tasty morsels about Texas from here on MCC.
Howzabout we just say let’s not do it.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
there was that 'mister classy' guy last night
But even he was mostly okay, except for his interesting faith in Texas fandom.
I found him sanctimonious and irritating.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Probably because he was.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
I do too, but his inflexibility about the characterization and his confirmation bias cured that pretty quick.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
let’s be better than them
Considering all the druggie cracks I’ve read here about Josh Hamilton, I’d say that time has come and gone. :/
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Rule of thumb
Anyone who says they’re better than another person, isn’t.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Not really, but I know it means something other than the intended; which is why I used it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I really should watch that movie. For years people have been telling me I’d love it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
I love both films and I highly recommend them. Watch them back to back if you can.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
How was the second one? I never watched it for fear of being supremely let down. The first was amazing. I have a friend who tends to dry hump the couch when she sees Sean Patrick Flannery with his shirt off in the movie.
"It’s like being a kid when you get orange slices and kool-aid, except tonight we’re nailing champagne" - Wilson
"I want to hug Uribe. I want to hug Posey. I want to hug everyone." - Torres
"It's gonna get weird tonight." - Huff
I didn't like it as much as the 1st
but I think I remember some dry hump worthy scenes
by igotnothing on Oct 29, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll be sure to let my friend know. I imagine she’s already seen the second one but I know her boyfriend will be in for a surprise. I don’t think she’s watched Boondock Saints since they’ve started dating.
"It’s like being a kid when you get orange slices and kool-aid, except tonight we’re nailing champagne" - Wilson
"I want to hug Uribe. I want to hug Posey. I want to hug everyone." - Torres
"It's gonna get weird tonight." - Huff
Of course, in the back of my mind, there's a tiny voice asking,
“What if that douche is right?”
Too much baseball left to play.
by Every6thDay on Oct 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
My moments are always savory.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I admire the gumption, Rangers' Fan.
I like to think that we wouldn’t curl up and cry if the Giants were down 2-0.
Chin up, Texas fans – cheer hard and may the best team win.
I have a feeling that most of them just started following baseball last week
Texas has always been a football state. And the people are legendarily cocky. Stands to reason our culture of torture is totally foreign to them.
by Murray, Present on Oct 29, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty savory in most moments, but especially this one.
by BestHyperboleEver on Oct 29, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
at least Washington knows why his guys aren't hitting well
"I think that more or less it has to do with the pitching we’ve been facing," Washington said. "We had some opportunities early in the ballgame to put some runs on the board, and we had the right people up there, and he made his pitches."
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 9:19 AM PDT reply actions
I’m a big believer in the chaos theory of baseball. One weird thing leads to an expected thing that leads to an unexpected thing that leads to something mind-blowing that would have never happened if not for that one weird thing.
I would love to see a fractal of this.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
It would begin with Jeremy Giambi not sliding into home. I’m no A’s fan but that’s still kind of depressing.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Jeffrey Maier.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
i feel like i should be excited, instead im nervous. i feel like a debbie downer. everyone is like “we are so close” and my only response is, technically we were way closer in 2002. we still need to win 2 games, back then we needed what, 5 outs?
49% of me is freaking out and 51% of me is trying to be disconnected until the final out. (double checks math…yep, correct)
by projectmayhem713 on Oct 29, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions
Yup.
The street party in China Basin is fun, but it keeps reminding me of Game 5 in 2002, when we KNEW we were going to win it all.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m trying to be as detached as possible with regards to a hypothetical championship.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Jonathan Sanchez
2.93 post-season ERA even with the catastrophe of a start in Philadelphia according to FOX last night.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Good morning you beautiful people of McCoven
So yep, we still need to win two more games. Time for me to start freaking out. 2002 NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED!
Let’s not start this again, or they’ll start posting the pictures again.
The Earthquake happened in 1989. The Marlins happened in 1997. The Mets happened in 2000. The game ball happened in 2002. Jose Cruz Jr. happened in 2003. There’s no going back on those things.
Let’s just hope that this year can finally be our year, and enjoy the ride as far as it takes us.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
McCovey’s line drive happened in 1962. The one team from each league in the playoffs happened in the rest of the 60s. The Rockies and Braves and Padres giving away talent for practically free happened in 1993. Steve Finley happened 2004.
This is fun.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
"fun"
I do not think it means what you think it means.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 29, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically, it was five sentences.
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2002...
should have happened to the Diamondbacks! /runs
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Cut it out. I don’t want to have to watch the denial aversion therapy.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
you don’t have to like it…it’s like a scar…it reminds you of the pain/memory of when your uncle had your dad killed by a herd of stampeding wildabeasts in order to become king …
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
So the logical thing to do is...
Prevent a Game Six
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 29, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
That game was pretty important
taking 2 of 3 in Texas means beating either of Colby Lewis (who is a better pitcher than Wilson) and Cliff Lee at least once.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
+1
But LOL Tommy Hunter. Although you never know with this team and below-average pitchers….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
agreed on both counts about Hunter
as the Phillies learned, you don’t get a win for just showing up with a better starting pitcher
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
But they beat Joe Blanton!
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
no… we failed to beat Joe Blanton. Either that or we decided that we want to beat Oswalt instead.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Blanton didn't get the loss
But we beat him nonetheless.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Yes, I agree
But I am undaunted by Colby Lewis and the second go-round with Lee. The Giants have (SSS, I know) been completely unaffected by facing really good pitchers.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Didn't Roy Oswalt throw a really good game last series?
Just sayin….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
he was pretty good the first time around, too.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s pretty good.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
blah blah
we are talking the difference between 40% (Lee) and 48% (Hunter).
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Agreed
And if the Giants are going to take at least one of three in Texas, it had better be either tomorrow or Sunday. Because going into a Game 5 against Cliff Lee, in Arlington, with the series tied 2-2 would make me very, very nervous. The Rangers would have all the momentum and it’s hard to imagine Cliff Lee pitching poorly twice in one series.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Yes, but will the team ask Lee to go in Game 4
and, if they do, would he agree? It might all depend on the game Saturday, but it will certainly be interesting.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 29, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I keep hearing that Lee refuses to pitch on short rest.
And I don’t believe it. I think he knows he would lose the respect of every person in the game if he turned the Rangers down with their season on the line in the World Series.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, and the Yankees would still offer him $22 million per year.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 29, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
really SFGate?
“Cain before the storm”? That’s just lazy.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
There will be dingerz in Texas
the key is not putting guys on base before the dingerz, and for Huff or even Torres or Panda to rip a couple out.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Eh. I’m perfectly happy to continue this strategy of death by a thousand paper cuts.
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Hahaha. I don’t know why, but this reminds me. Was watching the game with my father last night, and the Fox broadcast, always with its finger on the pulse of what’s hip, was explaining what “str8 edge” is vis a vis CJ Wilson. “No drugs, no alcohol, no promiscuity.” Without batting an eyelash, my dad asks:
“So, does that mean he’s a virgin?”
I lol’d.
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I also laughed.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Goodie two, goodie two, good goodie two shoes.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Subtle innuendos follow
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 29, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
He seemed to be quite upset that you aren’t allowed to bring chemical agents out to the mound and apply them to your hands.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome.
I remember those. Tower of Power, IIRC.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh snap is that really ToP?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe its the hypothermia talking
it always gets me when they show videos of the Giants playing in Candlestick…especially the see through outfield walls
I was just checking out the Stick on Google Maps, and it made me think that not playing a game in Candlestick for the 50th anniversary of the Giants in SF/the Stick’s 50th was a giant missed opportunity.
I’d love to watch a game there again. Just one, but nonetheless I would.
There was talk of that when the Dodgers played the Bosox at the LA Coliseum. Personally, I think it’d be awesome to have a one-and-one series with the Dodgers at the LA Coliseum and at the Stick. Hell, make them regular season games. Though in reality, I bet the amount of work that would have to go into the Stick would be insane. I’d assume that the right-field/family pavilion seats have been made far more permanent than they were in the 90s.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I don’t think the Giants would make it a regular season game in any case, but the last time I was at the Stick (2006) I noticed they were basically the same pull out seats they were when the Stick was a multipurpose stadium. They may well have rusted into place or something, but even then, who cares?
There’s no doubt in my mind – none – that they’d sell out a Candlestick preseason game. It’d be an absolute blast. Heck, I’d have one every year.
Holy Crap
I remember that commercial. Nostalgia.
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
I can’t find “Split finger fastball, a suicide squeeze, a double up the middle and a home run in the breeze, here come the GIANTS! I got a Giant attitude!”
Maybe that was only on KNBR.
Also, “double up the middle”?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
We saw a double up the middle last night. And it was thisclose to being a home run in the breeze.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching this video
makes we wonder who was more of a “gamer”
William, Clark, or Thompson…
Williams was always my favorite on those early 1990s teams but Clark and Thompson were awesome as well…
They’re back on 2 for the World Series?
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 29, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Halloween is upon us
Are you guys dressing up? I’m wearing my naughty nun costume today. We’re having a party in my Spanish class today for Halloween and el Dia de Los Muertos. :D
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
cute
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m dressed as a middle aged unemployed woman who has no reason to get dressed. Wow.
by igotnothing on Oct 29, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Estrogen rears it's ugly head again.
I’m getting dressed. Every preschooler in my little town is outside my house trick-or-treating and they are just too damn adorable to miss.
P.S. My teenage daughter is Timmy today.
by igotnothing on Oct 29, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
man
how many families are saving on Halloween costumes this year this way? “No, you don’t need to buy a costume. Here’s a jersey and some eye black… smile, you’re Cody Ross!”
And I didn’t keep track but I don’t remember too many Giants costumes in 02-03
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
She's wearing her own cleats
She pitches for the high school
by igotnothing on Oct 29, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Hat + beard = costume
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
you're dressing as howie?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Hat + failbeard + popped cuffs on the jeans = Howie costume
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m dressed as Shaggy from Scooby-Doo today.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
I am wearing a Buster Posey Jersey
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
The whole family is dressing up as the Adams Family
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I might half-ass something that night. I’ll already have some orange-and-black on, and that takes precedent.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Thinking of wearing my lucky Giants colors and then getting a Timmy wig or Weezy beard. It’s topical!
by Murray, Present on Oct 29, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I could just wear what I’ve been wearing and dye my beard black. But I feel like if I was going to do that, it should’ve been before the WS. Can’t do stuff like that mid-Series, especially when we’re up 2-0.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
my son was
going to be Clone Commander Cody Ross…. but I picked up some $5 Timmy hair and now he’s Lincecum.
I was going to be Jedi Master Tim Lincecum (I have the hair already… just somewhat too curly), but that’s out.
I am going to be “Baseball Grim Reaper” come for the Texas Rangers. I will have a Neifi Perez “game used” bat instead of a scythe.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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oh, and I will be out Trick-r-Treating
in BRISBANE during Game 4! Torture!!!!! I can’t decide if I should bring a portable radio, or my Ipod & speakers and just play
“Don’t Stop Believin’”
and
“Bohemian Rhapsody”
on repeat.
Maybe "It’s a Long Way To The Top (If you Want to Rock-N-Roll).
Well, hopefully it will rain.
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"Neifi Perez game used bat"
/chasm
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
well, it is cracked...
so it must have been used for something….
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
I’m dressing as a slacker college student. Wait…
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 29, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Best Halloween costume when I was in college was a rollerblader who went as Waldo. Sitting in the quad, Waldo blazes by at top speed, cane in hand, with a random dude sprinting behind him screaming “I’LL GET YOU, WALDO!”
We also had a bobsled team, with a bobsled that they actually rode to the big party off-campus. Epic.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
Last year a couple dozen
seniors at the HS all dressed Waldo-ish, only one I guess wa the true Waldo
by igotnothing on Oct 29, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
They had a Waldo meet-up at Burning Man in ’09.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
You have a lot of work not to do before you qualify as a slacker young lady.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
i fear...
there will a lot of Machines
by 49 Giant Shark Warriors on Oct 29, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Not an outfit that you can buy at WalMart...
Specialty stores only. And I don’t mean costume stores.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 29, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re going to the wrong costume stores.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
you mean
hardware stores…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
But I do live in the Castro. :)
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Rick Vaughn
Got my black horn-rims and Indians ‘Vaughn’ jersey. Mrs. jhiat00 is gonna cut the angles in my hair.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
i'm a supporter of the FHS Junior Class
WHOO PURPLE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I'm afraid we're gonna have to see pics
Not creepy enough?
Today I’m dressed as Willie McCovey. My son will be Boba Fett on Sunday.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
The Ticket 1310 AM this afternoon...
They start out the 1pm EST slot with a discussion on how Cain looks, saying Cain looks like “the love child of Stepbrothers” (Riley and Ferrell), “with a hint of dumb face” and “smoosh head”.
If ya can’t beat him, insult him I guess…
Then they took a half-hour’s worth of calls about Tony Romo.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
what was the consensus
pork ribs, or beef ribs?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Pork ribs > beef ribs
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
It’s like Sophie’s choice on that one.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants plate approach
Do you think our team’s approach at the plate has changed in the postseason, and especially in this series? Drawing 4 consecutive walks, whaaaaat?
I think it has to do with this playoff mentality. In the regular season, you had guys like Uribe who would take their four quick hacks. I wouldn’t say he didn’t care, but he probably looked at it like, “I had a bad day, it’s just one game, there will be 100 more.” Now that every game is so valuable, they are being more patient. I credit Bochy and the coaching staff for instilling this mentality and focus.
by Murray, Present on Oct 29, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
I think there’s a little more time for the Giants to do their homework, and better scouting on our opponents. Meulens has simplified their approach and has them looking for a particular pitch or a particular location and throwing the rest out. That way, the Giants have an improved chance at succeeding at something against these quality pitchers.
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Juan Uribe took piches and walked in a run!
Juan Uribe!
Bam-Bam is humming and smiling today.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Just because Brian Wilson
doesn’t know the take sign, doesn’t mean the Giants don’t have one.
I mean, they are hacky, but it’s little league level strategy to make the guy throw A strike.
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Nate was the first guy..
And LOLland threw four really horrible pitches, basically dictating the plate approach for the next three hitters. No need to swing if you’re facing Rudy Stein.
If the first guy LOLland faced was, say, Sandoval, he might have struck out, and the whole inning would’ve played out very differently.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 29, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the 4 straight walks tonight were just a result of a good plate approach. Holland and Lowe were nowhere near the plate and were easy takes.
The team does, however, seem to be much more focused on executing a game plan against each pitcher they’ve faced. They have been more patient overall, it seems.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Just curious...
Has anyone heard if there are plans to open ATT and show the weekend games on the big screen?
Seriously, they could charge $10/person and donate the money to the Junior Giants or something…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
not that I know of
there was talk about a screen in Civic Center, but I don’t know if that’s happening, especially if it’s wet weather.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 29, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
They're working on something.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?entry_id=75719
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/2010/10/27/world-series-update-watch-games-three-and-four-outdoors-with-gavin-newsom-but-leave-your-beer-at-home/
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Bahaha.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
that would have been difficult after Fontenot/Rowand pinch hit for him.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 29, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
During the NLCS, the idiots on TBS kept talking about how they wanted to see Mariano pitch to Robinson Cano.
Fuck that. I want to see Mo get in there and take some hacks.
Adoptive father of the enigmatic Michael Sandoval, and living vicariously through his proximity to Joe Mauer and the Panda.
they could have double switched him to a position
..though I am not sure if the rules stipulate that he has to appear on the field before you double-switch him back to pitcher.
yes, he was
..but Bochy could have double-switched him to a position. Then Bochy can double-switch him again back to pitcher. I believe he has to take the field for a batter in the event.
So, I know that Baggarly’s post-game has been linked previously, and tidbits have been posted here and there, but seriously, if you haven’t read it yet, go read it. It is so full of win; one of the best he’s put out this year.
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Baggarly Strikes Again!
extrabaggs They just announced luggage can be claimed at E4. Nice to hear Brooks Conrad got offseason work as a baggage handler.
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by Solidarity on Oct 29, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
looooooooool
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Dave Eggers sketches the World Series
Superb. More where that came from.
HT: ELM.
Also worth noting:
by wcw on Oct 29, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Everytime I scroll past this quickly
I swear Carlos Vasquez is taking a piss.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Can’t be unseen
That’s all I see now too
My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 29, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
fap fap fap
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
delorean posted this on facebook
Really awesome.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Depending on how they were talking about it, that was my thought as well.
As a Giants fan, I enjoyed the extra runs.
But a baseball fan, I had flashbacks to Ankiel and his post season wildness just getting between his ears for the rest of his life. Holland is a decent enough talent so that I hope that doesn’t happen (rest of World Series excepted).
If that does happen, Ron Washington has a lot to answer for, since there’s a difference between wildness and letting a meltdown happen. The former, whatever. The latter requires complicity from a manager and can ruin a career. Moving a game from ’we’re very likely going to lose" to “we’re definitely gonna lose” on a hunch is not worth sacrificing some kid’s future for.
This was on display on the promenade behind home plate yesterday:
2010 National League Championship Trophy (Warren C. Giles Trophy)
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
by deuce deuce on Oct 29, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Beautiful.
I wonder if it still smells like beer and champagne?
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
That’s what my wife has said about me the last two nights when I come to bed.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
LOL
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
She wonders?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
She probably didn’t want to take the clothespin off to find out for herself.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 29, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hate playing snob clown ball snob but
LSB’s latest post:
Thanks to bigsteve for pointing this out in the comments to the Jeff Sullivan thread…
In the top of the 9th, the Rangers, down 2 runs, had the pitcher’s spot coming up 6th, which means that if the Rangers were to tie or take the lead, that spot would almost definitely come up in the top of the 9th.
That means that whichever pitcher ended the 8th inning was almost certainly going to be pinch hit for in the 9th inning, and thus wouldn’t pitch in the bottom of the 9th.
So the question becomes, once Darren O’Day gives up the Buster Posey single with two outs in the 8th…what is a better use of Neftali Feliz? Using him for the 9th, and possibly the 10th (if it is a tie game in the 9th), for 3 or 6 outs?
Or using him to get one out in the 8th?
There is this thing called “double switching”…just saying
LOL STRATEGERY. HOW DUZ IT WORK?
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
It does seem the AL team is at a disadvantage. Maybe they should get rid of the stupid DH, then.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
Pitchers hitting is more confusing than magnets.
by zuma420 on Oct 29, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t hate it.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow!
I’m glad they support their manager – there’s nothing they can do about him now, but wow.
Why is it that Feliz keeps being mentioned as the only other option in this argument? Ogando made the Giants look like little leaguers the night before. It doesn’t matter who you bring in, so much as it’s that you keep bringing in pitchers until you can find one that throws a strike. Holland should have been out after 1 four pitch walk.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Oct 29, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
@extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
No, in fact someone asked me why they weren’t more celebratory. Businesslike bunch RT @tdm1103 did you guys get sense team was overconfident
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
I APPROVE STRONGLY.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 29, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
camera man
needs to be Keano’d
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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Who is that?
/thickskulled
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Ahhh thanks.
I’ve heard about the thread but never bothered to find it.
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Fans were surprised when an impromptu volleyball game broke out in center field.
My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 29, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Fans were also amazed by the unusually large amounts of blood
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons. || I pity the fool that falls in love with [THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS]
subtle onion ref
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Hey Nyjer!
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Nyjer please!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 29, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
Been Reading MC For 2 Years...
…. and my first ever post is to wonder where my backpack went last night in Section 330 =(
#Buzzkill
/leftover chicken sandwich in the bag with my World Series Program = yuck
Call the stadium lost and found now or Ray Ratto will make sure you never see that sandwich again.
…In fact, it may already be too late.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
by deuce deuce on Oct 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
After like two years of procrastinating, I finally bought a hand held radio to bring to the games, and I promptly left it in the cupholder in 331 the day I bought it. :/
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 29, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose these are just the offerings we must sacrifice to the Torture Gods for good of the team!
Do the gods really want spoiled mayonnaise and Altoids though?
by Snewman1209 on Oct 29, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have any good leads?
Pull your kids from school and get them Twitter accounts. Let them learn from the people!
Leads?
Let me just call down to the crime lab. We’ve got a whole team of detectives working on the case. They’re working in shifts!
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Ben Stiller Show FTMFW
Holy crap, that show as great. My favorite bit was probably this one.
Anagram of "SF Giants National League Champs" = A HOT, GAINFUL, MAGIC PLEASANTNESS
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 29, 2010 11:59 AM PDT reply actions
*All I keep seeing on LoneStar*
Is how Texas hitters had a lack of execution, especially with RISP. I seem to remember Philly thinking the same thing. No respect for our pitching. Everyone keeps thinking that they are doing it to themselves. Denial-its a wonderful thing.
Swing hard in case you hit it.
by FreakyFranchise on Oct 29, 2010 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
Giants pitching in 2010
- Strand Rate in MLB
- Team ERA with RISP
These stats were not hard to find. My question is, why does it feel better to think your team is just sucking, rather than say “Hey, these guys are really freaking good at stranding baserunners.”
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Whoa, did that get autonumbered?
That should read “#1 Strand rate in MLB, #1 Team ERA with RISP”
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
'cause according to the stats peeps...
It’s impossible to be really good at stranding baserunners, just lucky. Not saying that I believe or don’t believe that, but that’s why…
anyone ever tried..
oranjeboom
beer? someone should
photo shop somethin with that…
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