Giants/Rangers Preview, part I: Cliff Lee is good
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 25, 2010 12:05 AM PDT
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Roy Halladay scared me. Give me a little peptic discomfit, he did. He’s the archetype, the template. He’s the towering superman with perfect stuff and perfect control. As good as Tim Lincecum can be -- dude won two Cy Youngs, in case you weren’t aware -- there’s a blueprint-grade rigidity that Halladay brings to every start that just fascinates me. It’s no wonder that he’s the second-scariest starter in the majors to me.
So, Cliff Lee. The scariest starter in the majors.
I can’t think about Cliff Lee without thinking about his 2007. He was so bad. So, so bad. In July, he was optioned to the minors after passing through waivers. That’s Wellemeyer bad. Before Lee lost his starting rotation slot, he had a three-start stretch in which he allowed seven earned runs. He was like the final days of Kirk Rueter passing through the orbit of Jaime Navarro. Again, this was in 2007. I have shirts that I bought in 2007 that I still consider to be new shirts. There’s canned food in my cupboard that I bought in 2007 that isn’t close to expiring. In 2007, Cliff Lee was the worst pitcher in Major League Baseball.
Now Lee is the closest that young baseball fans will get to vintage Greg Maddux. There was a time when Greg Maddux worked in the low-90s, just as Lee does now. Some might take offense at the comparison because Lee is a lefty and Maddux is a right-hander. Bah. Maddux wasn’t a right-handed pitcher. He just was. He turned every major league hitter into an American League pitcher, lefty or righty. He had an assortment of pitches that would befuddle right-handed hitters, and he had an assortment that would befuddle left-handed hitters. At no point was Maddux fair.
So far this postseason, Lee has been comparable. He just is. Watching Lee to this point in the postseason has been a subject in pity. The Yankees have a billion-dollar lineup that mixes historically great hitters with contemporary monsters. It’s a goofy lineup. When Lee faced the Yankees, the only appropriate reaction was pity. Those poor, poor souls. There was no way to imagine Lee getting hit without the Yankees recruiting a series of dinks, dunks, and broken-bat singles. He moved in, he moved out. He fooled hitters, he dominated hitters. He blew them away, he caught them looking for something else.
Ridiculous.
Now that we’ve established that the Rangers will win games 1, 4, and possibly 7, the Giants will need to...
...
Yeah, but the playoffs.
I’m scared of Cliff Lee. He’s a great pitcher on a ridiculous run. But the playoffs. Short series. Isolated games of heightened importance. I don’t care who is pitching. If Cliff Lee completely obliterates the Giants in Game One, it’s like, fine, it’s Cliff Lee, supernatural adverb. He good. Move on.
But the playoffs. A similar paean could have been written about Roy Halladay, dominating monster-beast that he is. But Cody Ross. Halladay missed with a couple of pitches that Cody Ross didn’t. The Giants won the pennant. These are the kind of things on which the Giants hopes rest. Tim Lincecum is in Cliff Lee’s league -- it’s not like the Giants are throwing Jamie Brewington out there, crossing their fingers, and hoping for a random Eli Whitside grand slam. But they’ll still need an I-don’t-believe-what-I-just-saw moment. Juan Uribe hitting a home run to right field. Pat Burrell turning a lucky guess into a three-run homer. A string of two-out hits that elude outstretched gloves.
I’m looking forward to it. No dread here. There’s no foreboding feeling. Come on, you silly, silly playoffs. Show us. If it’s the Giants’ fate to be shut down by a pitcher at the top of his game, fine. So be it. It would beat losing to Ramon Ortiz and the husk of Kevin Appier. But I think the playoffs are more clever than that. Cliff Lee being Cliff Lee against a team that Cliff Lee should dominate would be so boring. Give us a three-walk inning from Lee to three impatient Giants hitters. Give us a perfectly timed sequence of doubles that allows a brilliant performance from Tim Lincecum to hold up.
Give us a twist ending in Lee’s starts, playoffs. The Giants didn’t make it this far to have everything decided by an actuary table. Lee scares me. But the playoffs don’t. The playoffs have been weird enough for me to stop predicting anything. The Giants are in the World Series. Cody Ross was the NLCS MVP. Try to out-weird that.
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Fun fact of the day
I went to middle school with Brad Bergesen, the O’s winning pitcher against Lee that game. Only pro athlete I “know” of…
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Oct 25, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Hes related to my friend somehow. Step cousin or something
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 25, 2010 12:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
didn’t he go to Foothill HS in the Bay Area?
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Who?
Buy High,Sell Lower- The Brian Sabean methodology to Running (Ruining) the Giants
by Mordy From Monsey on Oct 25, 2010 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The best reason not to fear Lee
is one Grant already gave. The Giants make every pitcher look like Cliff Lee. So…the real Cliff Lee? Who cares? Play ball.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Oct 25, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
There is something to this.
Sounds crazy but the when neither team is topping 4 runs, every little mistake means a lot.
I think the Giants Bullpen will be a huge factor if they win this series. Really, the defense and the bullpen could make the difference.
Also their flexibility, (I know I was criticizing Sabean’s emphasis on versatililty back in March also) is a huge advantage.
It’s easy to say that those are small things that don’t matter much, but when you take hitting out of the equation, which is what will happen because of the Giants offense and the Giants pitching, those other things become HUGE factors.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
And the Giants have been the best in the league
at the agregate of those factors, bullpen, defense, and positional flexibility.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Starting to think Sabean is some sort of baseball savant.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
He can huff and puff but he won't blow our house down.
~Remind me to tell you about the time my mom wore her rhinestone penis T-shirt to dinner and Grandma had her car towed~
Too cute for his own good.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The playoffs have been weird enough for me to stop predicting anything. The Giants are in the World Series. Cody Ross was the NLCS MVP. Try to out-weird that.
Great as usual Grant.
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
Wow, this Grant After Dark™ posting thing is really taking off.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Bangladeshi sweat/photoshoppers ftw!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Lee is a tough matchup
But so was “H20”…
Playoffs: It’s kooky inside.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
One can say
after the Giants were able to beat H20, the Phillies’ hopes were evaporated.
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Oct 25, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
H2O… Iced
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 2:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
by TheLetter2 on Oct 25, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
you'll be taking that world series trophy home
…in a bodybag.
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Looks like this phanatic
… had his phil.
by Every6thDay on Oct 25, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I am not used to new threads at midnight.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 25, 2010 12:13 AM PDT reply actions
I saw Grant’s tweet.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 25, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Were you able to hold back your laughter?
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
How about celery stalks?
/help me jesus . . . someone might get that reference/
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Good guess, but . . .
Again: Celery Stalks at Midnight.
They might even be chopped.
Owlcroft?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Bunnicula
I know what time it is.
My son is Madison Bumgarner, the Bipolar Stuffed Sheep of pitching prospects. My other son is a Porsche.
Oh my god
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 25, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Howliday Inn
Chester at his craziest
Oscar Wilde may have been a brilliant and talented man, but at the end of the day he was still a cocksucker, just like the Dodgers.
I loved those books when I was a kid.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too! I was fascinated with the concept of vegetarian vampires, lol.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. I haven’t thought about that book in years. To think: It’s probably the freshest take on the vampire myth since Stoker.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
My kooky strategy:
Nobody swing against Lee. At all. Psych him out. Make him wonder what the hell is going on. Maybe he’ll issue some walks.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
Free AnVil!
Word thief!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 25, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
/responds with anger-inducing out-of-context Lincoln quote
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
How dare you!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The nerve!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
You neither?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you should try.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
/cue 81 pitch, 27K perfect game
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
No way that happens
If that was the strategy, Uribe and Sandoval would STILL swing at pitches.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Incidentally, “the Giants didn’t make it this far to have everything decided by an actuary table” really needs to be the rallying cry for this team.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Here, here, Kit!!!!
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm an actuary ...
and I don’t remember ever seeing that table.
Reminds me of a joke: “An actuary stuck his head into the oven and his feet in the freezer. On the average he was quite comfortable.”
Question is, can the Giants find the oven or the freezer in Lee’s starts.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
I found that joke far funnier than I should have.
Apparently being World Series bound puts me into a good mood.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder what happened to Lee in August. He was awful.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Back problems.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 25, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Well then.
Let’s hope his entire family visits him to celebrate and he has to sleep on the hide-a-bed.
ot better yet
a futon
Choppin' broccoli
by SimpleJaquez on Oct 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee gave up 16 homers in the regular season. He also walked 18 batters. Thus the Giants are as likely to hit a home run than walk. Woo hoo!
I still can't believe it's possible to walk EIGHTEEN BATTERS in over 200 innings. Jesus.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Oct 25, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Jonathan Sanchez can walk 18 batters over 6 innings
Without surrendering a run
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 25, 2010 12:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If he hadn't had back troubles in August
That number would have been lower. It is incredible though.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/silvaca01.shtml
See 2005.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
it's sorta like that "every pitcher is like Roy Halladay to the Giants" thing
We have a team that doesn’t take walks. We’re facing a pitcher who never issues them. It’s a strength being applied to a weakness so bad that the strength can’t have much of an effect. We already punted on the walks category for the season, Rangers. This is nothing new.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Put the ball in play and ride the BABIP choo-choo to title town.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
fuckin a man
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Oct 25, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
its like a tank fighting a ninja. WE HAVE FORSWORN STEALTH
except we wouldn’t be a very good tank. maybe like a tank with giant holes in it that ninja stars could easily penetrate.
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
CIA man
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This is really the key
Cliff Lee has unspectacular K and strand rates (if strand means anything), an average BABIP, and a low ground ball rate. He never issues walks and has a Matt Cain-like HR/FB. He seems a LOT more like Matt Cain than Tim Lincecum. This is the kind of pitcher the swing-crazy Giants can put big numbers on from time to time. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he went 1-1.
I think people are looking at it more from a talent perspective than a style perspective. Cliff Lee is possibly the best pitcher in baseball, and if not, among the very top group. That’s definitely more Lincecum than Cain.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee is good
WHAT IF I CAME HERE FOR NEWS.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
HAI GUYZ
It’s been a long 24 hours. Mission St. was crazy last night. People everywhere, high fiving the police. We went to MoMo’s and they were closed at 11pm…. it was weird. Fun, fun, fun night.
Cliff Lee doesn’t scare me. The Giants scare me. They hold their own destiny in their hands. It all goes back to the little green guy… “there is no try, there is only do… or do not.”
They will do Cliff Lee.
Ralph Nader?
Owen Gilfarney?
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Gary Ridgway?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, fuck that shit.
We’ll score three runs in each of his starts and that will beat his mercenary ass.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:22 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Mat Latos approves. Then disapproves because he remembers about Cody Ross and Pat Burrell. Then gets confused and falls asleep.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Random thought: Adam LaRoche is glad he will not face Lee on Wednesday
Yeah that’s right, fuck off LaWeirdBeard!
Sabes: “Dear Adam sir, please take this huge offer and play first for us plus maybe, just maybe a shot at the World Series?”
LaLoser: “Nah dawg. I’ll accept less money and take my talents to South Phoenix; then enjoy being out of the playoff race since May.”
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
"and then the guy you sign instead of me for way less money will outperform me by a hilariously large margin"
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Oct 25, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah – according to Harold Reynold – “Vlad Guerrero will have no problem with playing Right Field at AT&T Park because it’s small field with a short porch.”
4 real.
Harold Reynolds is an idiot, I figured this out early before I lost MLB Network to goddamn AT&T U-Verse.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
*sexually harasses someone*
thats my harold reynolds impersonation! GET IT?
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Cute
Timmy and Cainer2010 = Unit and Schilling 2001
by SnowLeopard on Oct 25, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
ZOMG CATS THAT LOOK LIKE HITLER
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Orlando Hudson’s analysis: “JOSH HAMILTON, IAN KINSLER, VLAD GUERRERO, MICHAEL YOUNG, CRUZIE”
And Reynolds made no sense there. I can’t wait to see Vlad patrolling RF. I’d figure it won’t last even a full game, but Washington made some head-scratching moves during the ALCS, so maybe he won’t be worried about singles turning into triples.
Deal with it. Jose Guillen has been there before.
Orlando Hudson's actual analysis:
JOSHHAMILTONIANKINSLERVLADGUERREROMICHAELYOUNGANDCRUZIE
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Oct 25, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
And don't forget his conclusion:
I’LL TELL YOU WHAT
by craigcommaroger on Oct 25, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like someone needs a hug!
Where is The Machine when you need him?
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
also from that show “Jonathan Sanchez has never pitched out of the bullpen in his life.”
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
awesome
I missed that one, and I guess I’m glad I did.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Can they not even spend 2 minutes on research before issuing blanket statments?
Turns out, Sanchez has actually made at least 1 relief appearance every year except 2008.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If Guerrero plays RF
Maybe they will have Hamilton try to shade to the gap, which should create some opoprtunities for Ross and Buster. They can’t cover the outfield with Vlad out there, but it’s entirely possible that the Giants don’t hit any balls out there anyway.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Well, he just won’t be responsible for anything to his right.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember that time Curt Schilling picked the Braves to sweep the Giants?
That was awesome. My favorite moment of the postseason.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Oct 25, 2010 12:25 AM PDT reply actions
That was good. The look on Holidays face after Rosses second home run is mine. I realy should go look at the last time a player hit two dingers in the same game off Doc. I bet that is pretty small club.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
you know what?
I’m gonna go watch that again now.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I remember it was professional with a bit ofself disgust. But the entire time I was thinking ( between f bombs) when was that last time that happened to him and he handles it this way. Just get baseball man.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
OT: Frustration
I have a big Astronomy test tomorrow, and I decided to look up in my school catalog the description for Astronomy 100 (a GE level class) which is: The earth moon system and the planets, the stars and their constitution. Sounds simple enough right? Noooooo because we’re not learning just basic planets, starts, moons etc. No what we’re doing is pretty difficult, and I’ve learned its pretty much centering on Astrophysics and complex equations determing how hot a star would be if the wavelength was such. I feel dumber and dumber after every class.
But back to the topic. Cliff Lee worries me but his biggest fault when it comes with the Giants is he throws strikes. And strike throwers tend to have trouble with the Giants.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Damn basic planets and stars.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Perhaps this will help
Mercury = Ross (small, yet robust iron core)
Venus = Posey (hot and dense, ain’t having a magnetic field)
Mars = Huff (the red thong planet)
Jupiter = Sandoval (large and gaseous)
Saturn = Uribe (known for its jazzy ring system)
Uranus = Shane Victorino
Neptune = Wilson (its way way out there)
"Baseball is a game played by the dextrous, but only understood by the poindextrous." - Professor Frink
by humm baby on Oct 25, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 14 recs
This needs to be green.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s great and all, but which one is Tuxedo Mask?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Earth = Bochy's Head
not an analogy.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
drawn to scale
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You win.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
lol Uranus
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah astronomy is ridiculous.. one of my friends took it at a CC thinking it would be easy, like you did. Boy was she wrong.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 25, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I took geology for my physical science at CC. I had the option to take astronomy but it was offered on days I had to work. I got an A in the lecture class and a B+ in the lab. I suppose I win.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point, sfk,
because we have hitters who tend to hack, and if that ball tends to be close to the plate, they might hit it in an odd way.
Science.
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by gallo del cielo on Oct 25, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
If you wait for Lee to make a mistake you may as well just go sit down. The key to beating him is to take strike one, see his release point, then swing at anything close. Righties need to stay back and just punch everything to the right side.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 2:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So...
…let’s see, our list of righties who are patient and can hit to RF would be… Sanchez, Posey, and …….
"(Christy) Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball. The first statement means the same as the second." - Damon Runyon
Not Burrell or Uribe. Uribe hasn’t hit to right with power since, uh… ok, the handedness thing.
But Ross might have this in his skill set.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Basic astrophysics is pretty easy….it’s just really basic physics, applied to stars and stuff…..
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
This is exactly how I feel about the playoffs
I’m not even nervous about the world series. Not because I’m over confident, but because I’m just so goddamn happy to even be there, and because I learned about halfway through the Braves series that there is no point in worrying about what’s about to happen. ANYTHING can happen, as Grant’s been saying. All we can do is just hold on and enjoy the ride, and the ride has been awesome.
It sure seems like both these teams feel that way, too.
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FWIW, the Giants have hit Lee pretty well
http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=5353
270/308/505 in 111 combined at bats from most of the guys who will be in the lineup vs him
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yeah, if Torres is still hurt, Rowand might get a shot. Bochy might put Rowand in there anyways cause of his relative success
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
at this point
that’s no worse than any other DH option. Assuming Burrell really hates and underperforms as DH as he claims.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
/throws low
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Cody Ross has hit and will hit more HR off of lee
SCIENCE
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by bondslegend on Oct 25, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Cody unfortunately hasn’t been the same bad-ass world-destroyer since he got HPBed bad on the arm
(and remember when Cole Hammels said (jokingly) that their plan for dealing with Ross was to “hit him”? And then they did – and the dingers stopped, just like that)
Timmy and Cainer2010 = Unit and Schilling 2001
Not a lot of inside stuff to yank eitherr though. They have been realy shrewd about the 1 -2 pitches a PA he sees inside from that point as well.
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Which is part of why I think he can have some success against Lee. They’ll come inside to Ross only with unhittable stuff and he should be smart enough to lay off of it and wait for something away that he can slap into right field.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not much of a stat nerd
but that is how sample sizes get bigger.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t want sample size now! I am pretty sure Ross is due for a BAIP regression. I just want the regression to hold off for 4 more wins is all.
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me too dude
Ride the Bucky Dent train all the way to Arlington and back…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
outstanding
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I paid attention to on that page
was that Cliff Lee’s middle name is Phifer.
Yes, PHIFER.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
I was watching some segment
and they were Interviewing Kinsler, Cruz and some other Ranger. I don’t know if they were kidding or not but they knew absolutely nothing about the giants. Kinsler said he knew our ace pitcher had long hair (which i’m assuming was a joke) and that our catcher is named Buster, but other than that he had no idea. Cruz was similarly dumbfounded.
they will feel the torture, soon enough
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I was reading on lonestarball
and they know nothing about our team either. Which is fair and all since I know nothing about the Rangers. Except for their catcher…I hear he’s a big dude….
by paboperfecto on Oct 25, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLFAT
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Also the Eagles got whooped on today by the Titans. Not a good weekend for Philly
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Joe Buck’d
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 25, 2010 12:47 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
phuck em
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We did. Hard.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 2:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cry moar Philly
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
I’m trying to find ways to NOT pay $400 for WS tickets. My dad was kind of sad because we can’t afford to pay $800 for two tickets. I was checking out Craigs list and I found some for $165 but I’m not sure if it can be trusted. Any other websites or knowing anyone who is unable to make it and is willing to sell tickets?
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Hate to say it but
I wouldn’t trust anything under $300….
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Oct 25, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
this +109
I don’t trust craigslist shite during the season for $30 seats, although I know people that have had good luck.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I would sell a kidney to be able to shell out $400 bucks or more to go watch the Giants play in the WS. So far, the best offer I’ve received is for five dollars. It’s not looking good.
Deal with it. Jose Guillen has been there before.
I’m trying to see if maybe my dad wants to go up there just to be in SF while the game is going on. Is the public house open even when the team is at home? I was hoping maybe if we hung around for a few innings, scalpers would be desperate to sell their tickets and lower the price a bit.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
It’s open every day. You’ll have to get there really early (I heard during the NLCS some showed up BEFORE 6 AM).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
there was a giant (NPI) line for NLCS game 3
around noon, and I assume those people were waiting for tables.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure about the scalpers thing. I feel like they won’t have that many tickets to sell because they’re so hard to come by and because so many people would want them. Good luck to you, it’s insane how much WS tickets go for.
Deal with it. Jose Guillen has been there before.
My wife told me I could buy a ticket and go to the game. When I went to look today, and it was actually going to be like $550, I decided that instead of using that money on a ticket, I was going to buy myself a NEW TELEVISION to watch the game on instead.
$550 ticket + $100 F&B = 50 Inch flatscreen
SCIENCE
awesome
it will also work for next year when you watch them in the 2011 World Serious.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
seriously
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Much better idea.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, you can get $20,000 if you travel to the right country.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
The issue is that you’ll wake up missing a nose.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
A distinct possibility.
I’ve thought about it, and I would sell a kidney if it were legal.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
WS tickets
Go to the park about 2 hours before game time. Just hang out around the main entrance. Every pimp and his brother will offer you tickets for double the face value. BUT, there will be one guy – an honest looking soul – who bought tickets for his family and the family had other things to do. Who knows; maybe they wrecked their car. Anyway, this guy want to sell his tickets at face value. Pay the price. It will not be $400. You will be sitting next to the guy who sold you the tickets. You will have a great time. And you will be watching the Giants in the World Series. This will work! I’ve done it many times before (Giants and A’s). Have a blast and GO GIANTS!
I dunno if this will work
with all the hangers-on that will be soaking up tickets.
But I will say that I saw this person outside NLCS Game 3.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, this isn't 1989
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You can’t miss that guy with the extra ticket for sale, he will be wearing orange.
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 25, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I was checking out Craigs list and I found some for $165 but I’m not sure if it can be trusted
Those are for seats at Citizens Bank Park.
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by Ohio Bear on Oct 25, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
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I know I should be afraid of Lee,
but I have a weird feeling that he’s the perfect pitcher for our lineup. Now Barry Enright would scare the shit out of me!
future Dave Flemming says
“Tommy Hunter is really mowing them down tonight!”
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If we had to face Saturday's Sanchez.....
that would have been ugly.
by paboperfecto on Oct 25, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
You know who would destroy our lineup?
Jonathan Sanchez. Imagine him pitching against Panda and Uribe!
lol "phifer"
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Oct 25, 2010 12:46 AM PDT reply actions
I'm interested to see who the umpires will be
That will key. No Joe West or Bob Davidson or Angel Hernandez or Laz Diaz or Phil Cuzzi.
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I’d like to have Joyce.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
As the young folks say, “shit would b so cash”.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 2:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You got it!
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The A's have done alright against him...
and the Giants have taken the A’s template for success and turned it into something workable (with a lot more money).
I wouldn’t worry about Cliff Lee. What I’d worry about is the insanely formidable lineup of the Rangers.
by Chilango on Oct 25, 2010 1:04 AM PDT reply actions
the A’s template for success
???
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
He is sort of right. We have a ridiculously good pitching staff, with something approximating the big 3 in Lincecum, Cain and Mad Sanchez. And our lineup consists of folks that were seemingly undervalued by other guys. (Whether that latter part is true is what will determine the Giants future success, Brandon Belt and company turning into all starts wouldn’t hurt either.)
.....really don't agree
The A’s were able to take advantage of other teams’ ignorance for awhile. That ignorance is gone now, so they’re basically screwed. The Giants kind of lucked into a bunch of guys who did really well. I mean really, andres torres? RREALLY? Nobody knew he would be this good. Same with Huff (no, not even you owlcroft) and Ross.
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neyer
had an interested article about how the next undervalued thing (relatively) was base speed, and how tampa bay had used that power to parlay its way into that great regular season.
basically he argued people were now ignorant about some non-OPS stuff and a few franchises had taken advantage (texas included)
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, but I think the problem with finding new undervalued things is that nothing to the degree that on-base percentage was, nor are any of the new undervalued things as important to success as on-base percentage. Basepath speed may be undervalued to some degree, but I’m not sure it’s so undervalued or so critical that a team can really count on that to make a big difference.
Of course, if Elvis Andrus steals 12 bases this series I’ll re-think my position.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
kind of agree
It is not just finding an underrvauled skill but getting enough of those guys with complementy skills in teh same location at the same time. If you want to use the early Ought A’s the he 2 under valued skills large quanity , Young quality staters and OBP. They probably corectly valued Closer talent for a reguler season but possibly under valued it for Post Season effect. Add to that Post season realy is all about Small Sample Size Theater.
Compare that with the ‘10 M’s they gathered alot of under valued Defense but didn’t have any other positive skill set going so you get …. well let us just say it was not pretty.
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
There will always be something that is undervalued.
The question is, will it be something that can be gamed for succes on the field?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
In this I guess I am an optimist.
I do tend to think of roster building ( when boiled down and over simplified) as a larger rock/papers/scissors game. If you are useing one option too much ( over relieying on it) you will get spanked. Things realy rely more on managments abilty to adjest what they can gain acess to how they use it. Add in a couple carrer years and health to the key players and any type of team can be in bussiness after the All Star break.
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree and disagree. I don’t think statistical analysis of MLB is going to yield any single results as important as OBP that can give you as big an advantage. I also think that’s a narrow way of looking at it. I think there are plenty of ways stats can help remake the process of teaching baseball and if used in new ways to build an organization, could still potentially come up with huge, groundbreaking new ideas. Like a team might figure out a whole new way to go about development, and combine that with better figuring out which amateurs to sign/which ones will do well in their development system, and get a huge edge that way. As fans, we probably wouldn’t see any of that, as it’s all behind the scenes, but it could potentially lead to huge competitive advantages.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
"Same with Huff (no, not even you owlcroft) . . ."
Excuse me?
Man AB H 2B 3B HR BB SF SH HB SO SB CS PA Huff 2010: 569 165 35 5 26 83 7 0 9 91 7 0 668 Huff proj: 602 170 36 3 25 56 6 0 5 88 3 2 669 difference -33 -5 -1 +2 +1 +27 +1 0 +4 +3 +4 -2 -1
As I said throughout the developing season, what Huff—and several other Giants—show is markedly increased walks, presumably attributable to Bam-Bam, and very little else different. Look at it: nothing but the walks (and, in direct consequence, that at-bats) is substantialy different from what we would routinely expect—not the hits, not the home runs (in fact, his power factor is down somewhat, presumably owing to the park).
If anyone is still looking at this thread . . . .
Sabean delenda est!
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I meant the “success” part.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Well, fair enough, at least recently
but the A’s have assembled teams (with nearly no budget) of outstanding young pitching and castoff players in recent years that have made for some pretty interesting baseball. With a little more money, a more mature starting rotation and a better medical staff, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the 2011 A’s being talked about in similar terms as the 2010 Giants.
by Chilango on Oct 25, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so much. The Giants keys are stellar cheap young pitching, and vastly underrated defense. In short, keep the team in games and hope to string some hits together. It’s no accident we are 35-25 in one run games overall. A batter is far more likely to get flailitis than a pitcher is to “just not have it” on consecutive starts, and defense is generally a constant after the season starts.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 3:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Kirkjian generally
and he rarely craps the bed with his commentary, but in in his latest breakdown of the WS he said the Giants were a “”http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=5722485" >not a good defensive team" I am a novice with advanced defensive metrics, but that seems a bit off to me.
Any way you look at it the Giants are an elite defensive team. They commited only 73 errors this season, only the Padres, and Reds at 72 and the Yankees at 69 commited fewer. Those four teams, all had .988 FP. So using traditional defensive metrics the Giants are among the best defensive teams in the league. One might think that those measurements might not necessarily mean the Giants are an outstanding defensive team and they’d be right. Just becuase you don’t commit errors doesn’t mean you are a great defensive team. So lets look at UZR to get a better pitcure. UZR has the Giants as the second best team in the majors. 1.9 behind the D Backs, but 6.4 ahead of the Padres.
So it seems there is no factual basis for Kirkjian calling the Giants out on their defense. Maybe he is reacting to a few less than stellar plays he’s seen in the post season, or maybe it’s because our starting SS is the spitting image of Kevin Mitchell, or maybe it’s because the guy who started at 3B all season weighs 320. Regardless, the only objective measures show the Giants as a very good if not elite team defensively.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
LOLfielding analysis
by Cody Ransom
Priceless.
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by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
At first I thought you were ripping me.
Then I realized…my handle.
Irony.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like the Olney analysis. Kurkjian doesn’t back up his statement about defense, so it’s likely based on the same nonsense/lack of info that Olney relied on.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t Guillen responsible for ten of those 72 errors ? LOL
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The Giants are definitely a good defensive team no matter how you look at it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Heyman
And his tweet where he declared that he didn’t want to hear about UZR; based on his own eyes and watching one game, he declared the Giants had a terrible defense.
Buster Posey: He knows the rules!
♥BARRY ZITO♥
Ben WIlshire is the new Dreamy Dan.
And yet, you can go to the fans scouting report, or he can talk to actual baseball scouts since he’s, you know, a writer, and they’ll all tell him our defense is good. But whatever.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I have to agree with him.
Torres, Posey, Sanchez and Ross are pretty good. Other than that, I’d have to agree that it is mediocre to poor.
So 4 guys that are pretty good, the rest of the guys are closer to average than bad, and that makes for a terrible defense? How do you figure?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s half the defense, at 4 of the 5 most important defensive positions in our park, that you just named as “pretty good.” I don’t see how you could possibly make the case that Huff and Uribe have been any worse than average this season. That leaves 2 below average defensive players. Sandoval has received far too much criticism for his defense this year, even around here. He’s below average, but not far below. Burrell rarely finishes games defensively. I really fail to see how you could possibly say that playing most of the game with 2 below average fielders and finishing the game with one slightly below average fielder in the game makes you a poor fielding team.
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Huff has been OK at first and only average
because of so many other teams trying to hide all-hit-no-glove players at first.
Uribe is the same, he’s OK, but I have to say he’s probably in the bottom 25% of shortstops in regards to fielding.
I’m not putting down either player here. Huff has been a huge surprise both in the outfield and infield. Uribe’s ability to play any infield position is quite valuable as well. Let’s just not delude ourselves into thinking this is a solid defense, in my opinion it isn’t.
The only really solid exceptional play I have seen this year is from Torres, Sanchez and Posey with cameo appearances by Cody and Nate.
Of course this is just my opinion and I don’t have anything to back it up other than my own eyes watching every single game this year and watching and umpire baseball for over 30 years. Go ahead and laugh at that and call it old school but from what I’ve seen of UZR, believe me I’m laughing right back at you for trusting it over your eyes.
Let’s just not delude ourselves into thinking this is a solid defense, in my opinion it isn’t.
Except basically everything else says it is. Any statistical metric you can find, the fans scouting report, any analysis of the players we run out there…….
The only really solid exceptional play I have seen this year is from Torres, Sanchez and Posey with cameo appearances by Cody and Nate.
You’re naming most of our starters! I just don’t get it. When half our starters are good, and everyone else except Burrell is at least within spitting distance of average…..how does that make for anything other than a good defense?
As for UZR, I suspect you’d realize it’s usefulness a lot more if you read up on it and it’s sample size limitations.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's just put it this way
when there is only one infielder that I don’t worry about having a hard hit ball to their position, I’m not going to think it is a solid defense.
The defense is obviously good enough to make it to the World Series and I don’t think it is awful or even bad. It is just hard for me to call it a solid defense with Huff, Uribe/Rent, Panda/Rent/Fontenot patrolling the infield and Burrell in left most of the game.
I really hope the defense doesn’t cost us a game or two this series but if it does I wouldn’t be surprised.
I don’t share your level of concern about the infield D. Huff is more than adequate as a 1B. Sanchez is good at 2B. SS/3B isn’t good, but at worst it’s just slightly below average. Not a big deal. Throw in Posey and some really good OF defense, especially considering our staff is a FB staff as opposed to a GB staff, and I see a pretty good defense.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a very good point
about FB versus GB staff and it definitely makes a difference.
People keep making this same argument. “Except for half of the Giants’ fielders the defense isn’t great.” You realize you’re making the point that the defense isn’t very good by presenting the argument for why it IS very good, right? If you start excellent defensive players at 4 very important defensive positions and at least 2 other very close to average defensive players you have the makings of a very good defense. I happen to think Sandoval is also a pretty adequate defensive 3B and the combination of Burrell for 6 or 7 innings and Schierholtz for 2 or 3 makes for something that almost resembles an average corner outfielder too. But even if we agreed that the defense is as poor at 3B and in the 3rd OF spot as you believe it is the overall team defense is still quite a bit better than the average MLB team’s defense. Find me some teams whose fans don’t worry about hard hit ground balls.
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You keep making the same argument too! :)
I really think the infield is below average. You are right catcher and center field are two of the more important defensive positions but so is shortstop. I think I’d feel a whole lot better if there was an above average shortstop. Nothing against Uribe/Rent but right now that combo has to be in the bottom 25% defensively for starting shortstops.
I think Missing Barry’s point was excellent. The infield defense is really hidden by the fact that most of the pitchers on the staff are the strikeout/flyout type.
But even if Uribe and Pablo are as bad as you are saying they are its STILL an above average defense overall. I don’t really understand how you can argue this defense isn’t solid while also acknowledging that most of our defensive players are very good. I dont think MB’s whole point was that the pitchers just hide our defensive inadequacies. I thought he was arguing that our defense matches our pitching staff very well and thus its a very good defense.
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I actually have a theory about this
well first off – there is no need to invoke Fielding % or errors, but UZR counts that as a component. 2010, Giants saved ~14 runs due to reduced errors.
I think the problem is that the Giants have a good UZR, but don’t “look good” — they lean “Water Buffalo”
Let’s break it down:
Giants were +56 in UZR in 2010. 14 of those were from preventing errors. + 3 from OF arms, and -1.5 from DPs, so the majority of this was increased range.
The ARM runs were basically Nate Schierholtz with a side order of Torres. They were about +6, everyone else net -3.
The +40 range runs breaks down like this:
-10 from backups and people out of position (including both Posey and Sandoval at 1B, and all of Cody Ross and Mike Fontenot). That’s roughly canceled out by by about +10 range runs of part timers and back ups (including a surprising +1 run from Guillen, mostly given back with his errors).
The only regular player with a negative range rating was Sandoval, -0.3 R@3b in 1200+ IN. His other numbers (lack of errors, DP) make him a pretty average 3B.
Uribe and Renteria were basically neutral, with 3 runs coming from good range work by Uribe playing 3B.
Freddie Sanchez and Shierholtz also had about +3 runs each (remember Nate also has +3 from his arm, in very limited playing time).
Burrell and Huff are the big surprises – with Huff worth +5 runs at 1B, +3 runs in LF, and Burrell +4 in LF. That’s range alone.
That leaves +19 runs saved on defense at all 3 positions in the OF by Andres Torres.
Now these last numbers are why people don’t like UZR. OBVIOUSLY Huff and Burrell are water buffalos and have no range. And Torres is smooth – but how can he be the best OF in MLB? (He was actually 2nd to Jay Bruce in Range runs, and 2nd to Brett Garnder in over all UZR and UZR/150).
Also – it’s hard to believe that Sandoval/Uribe is basically an average left side. I mean, without invoking gravitational attraction (to be fair – they both have strong and accurate arms, and if you want to get outs with your range, you not only have to get to the ball, but throw the runner out).
I also think this answers the mystery of why the Phillies pitching via FIP looked better than the Giants. Now, if you are handing out gold gloves (I’m not) then the individual performances and idiosyncrasies in UZR via park and difficulty matter – but if you are worried about TEAM RUN PREVENTION – then it doesn’t. The fact is that lots of the BIP allowed by the GIants pitchers were turned into outs by the fielders. Many more so (to the tune of 40 runs!) than would be expected by chance. I personally think that some of this was due to the pitching giving up weak contact (DIPS HERESY ALERT) and some was due to good fielding (well, Andres Torres!).
In summary, I hope Andres is fine after his slide into first.
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by zenbitz on Oct 25, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love watching Torres catch fly balls
When he’s at his best, he turns right off the bat and sprints in a straight line to where the ball will be, every time. And even when he’s not at his best, he’s good.
Hard to support UZR when it is telling you that
Burrell and Huff are the big surprises – with Huff worth +5 runs at 1B, +3 runs in LF, and Burrell +4 in LF. That’s range alone.
How could you trust something that is telling you that Burrell has good range in left?
Huff has been a big surprise at first, but I’d still have to say he’s only average at best.
a stat
that only supports your preconceived notions would be worthless, wouldn’t it?
Think about what this stat is telling you EXACTLY.
Burrell played 632 innings in LF for the Giants. He caught 121 balls, threw 3 guys out (assists), and made 2 errors (1 fielding, 1 throwing) [ weirdly, BB-ref gives him 4 assists… so there is an error somewhere ,but it hardly matters ]
According to UZR, he caught 103 of 114 ball in his (LF) zone. And 18 more out of zone. Compared to a typical fielder, that was (estimating here) about 5 more balls than you’d expect.
(I got 5 by back calculating – he was worth +4 runs. Catching a fly ball is worth about 1 run (although I am WFG the ratio of 2B/1B here). ( a single → out = 0.29 + 0.49 = 0.68 runs; double→out = 0.29 + 0.78 = 1.07 runs), so we are talking about maybe 4-5 extra balls.
Now, are those due to Burrell’s defense? Preternatural positioning? Flukes? Giants pitchers giving up easier fly outs? Can’t tell. But you have to count them just like you count little flares and squibbers and IF hits in your batting average OBP.
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Do you believe that Pat Burrell is an above average outfielder?
Do you?
If not, what would you think of a stat that told you he was?
Do you believe that Jose Guillen is an above average hitter?
His batting average was .266 for SF this year. League average was .255.
You are asking the wrong question. If someone claims that Pat Burrell is a good defensive outfielder based on his 2010 Giants LF UZR, let me know. Balls were hit to him, he caught them. Note that his career UZR is bad – like terrible/bad. In fact, given I am sure that part of the reason everyone “knows” he’s bad is because of his past UZR numbers. But, those runs (prevented) in 2010 count.
Remember – the context here is not “who is a better fielder, Burrell or Ross or Nelson Cruz or Vlad Guerrero”… the context is WHICH team has the better “defense”. But we cannot (at this juncture) completely separate pitching from defense.
The Giants as a team (and most especially the OF) converted an abnormal number of fly balls into outs this year. Some of that is presumably due to the pitching. Some is presumably due to the fielders. Some of it is probably due to “external factors” (i.e,. park, luck, weather, opposing teams, whatever). In order to throw out the UZR data (and DER!) data that says that the Giants catch a lot of fly balls – you have to say that it’s 100% external factors, and I’m pretty sure that’s wrong.
Here’s another way to think of it. At most, the Giants are going to play about 60 more innings in the field. Burrell will probably see about 10 catchable balls.
“Historic” Bad Burrell catches 8 of them
Average Burrell (average anyone, eg., Cody Ross) catches 8.9
2010 SF LF Burrell catches 9 of them
Torres playing LF catches 9.7 plus maybe a great play on one “not in zone”
That’s what we are talking about here people!!!
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Maybe I misunderstood
It seemed like this year’s UZR was being used to indicate that Burrell wasn’t all that bad of a fielder. If this wasn’t the intent then I apologize.
The thing I don’t get though is that if it wasn’t being used to indicate some sort of comment on Burrell’s fielding, then what is the purpose of even bring it up?
it was being used to indicate that Burell saved 4 runs this year with his glove.
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Which is a questionable use of it. UZR estimates he saved 4 runs this year with his glove. That estimate is subject to quite a bit of error.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is why some people like +/- (in terms of plays made).
UZR estimates the number of plays made (over/under) the average fielder for some BIP distribution. The conversion to runs is straight forward, right. 4 runs is between 3-5 hits saved, depending on if they would have been doubles or singles.
Would it please you more to say that “Giants Run Prevention” allowed 4 fewer runs on BIP to LF when Burrell was fielding compared to a theoretically average P+LF combination?
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My biggest problem is there’s enough measurement error involved that you really can’t take it at face value like those were really plays made. When Burrell catches a ball, yes, he made an out, but the problem comes into figuring how hard that ball was to make and whether or not the average fielder really would have made it. There’s enough error in that estimation that you can’t say for sure if Burrell made a play above average or not.
by Missing Barry on Oct 27, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions
If not, what would you think of a stat that told you he was?
I might think that stat is subject to a decent amount of random variation. Hey, we’re talking about UZR, and guess what, it IS subject to a decent amount of random variation. That’s why we look at larger than one season worth of sample size. And hey, guess what, when we look at the team as a whole, we get a much larger sample size than one season.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If UZR cannot really be used until you have a few years of data
then why use a single year’s UZR in a discussion about one of your fielder’s defensive abilities?
That is a good question. It shouldn’t be used that way.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
man, what it is educate a reader week?
I brought up the WHOLE TEAM’S UZR… I was just breaking down where the runs were saved. And whether or not you "believe it’ or “question the stability of the metric” – by all OBJECTIVE measures, some of the runs saved by the Giants’ defense this year fell into Burrell’s mitt.
The question was a comparison of Texas vs. SF’s overall defense – and this year – whether it’s because the Giants give up lots of easy fly outs, or Burrell was positioned well, or fluke, the Giants defense was “better”. Does it mean that they will play better in a 7 game series? Who can say! Like I pointed out, the difference between a terrible LF and an awesome LF in a 7 game series is about 2 plays.
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UZR does NOT say that Burrell has good range in left
It says that their measure of his performance for this season in left has been above average.
There’s a difference between performance and talent.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
UZR as a measure of performance is still an estimate, though. It’s not like offensive stats where a single is a single, double a double, etc….it’s an estimate of runs saved compared to average, and subject to error.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
Though offensive stats are also subject to error (just not nearly as much)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Well, not from the sense that a single really was a single, a double really was a double, etc., right? I guess maybe a little bit in terms of hit v error, or if a guy gets thrown out on the basepaths or something like that? Also, when you start putting run values on them of course that introduces some error, and that can be quite a bit…..
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A long ass hit ball to the gap double
is given the same value as a [Juan Pierre, opposite field line drive down the line but not even to the fence] double. I don’t know where I was going with this, but if I remember it, I’ll post more.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
first off – there are scorekeeper effects. THIS is a hit and THAT is an error. Not only is there a partitioning to be done of credit between pitcher / fielders there is also one between batter/defense.
Juan Pierre gets 100% of the credit for all his “hits” (and typically, 0% for his ROE). Some of those hits were on great pitches, some were on fat ones, some were waved at by fielders, others were line shots to the wall.
This is just as clearly an error (misattribution of credit) as most things in UZR, but we just ignore it.
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If there is any rationality to baseball, Lee will throw the majors’ first negative hitter in Game 1. Which is why I think the Giants will rough him up (“rough Lee up” = 3 runs in 7 innings). This postseason has been delightfully nonsensical.
Funny thing is that when you start looking at linear weights style run estimators, a perfect game with 10K comes to about -2.6 runs.
The Giants can do at least 2.5 runs better than that against Lee.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 3:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I see in this thread: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/10/23/1770384/giants-win-nlcs-advance-to-world-series#comments
Someone is trying to green the entire thread like the NL West clinching thread. Hasn’t worked, though.
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I just greened about 60 posts w/ 2 rec’s. I DID MY PART, PEOPLE, NOW LETS HIT THE GREEEEENS
Cy Lincecain FTW
So now I can’t tell what’s been read and what hasn’t?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s the over/under on Vladimir Guerrero outfield errors?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 2:58 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
You can’t get an error if you can’t get to the ball.
"In fact, I'm gonna try to squeeze my way through here, and uh... uh... [pause] well, now I'm getting crushed, Jon." - Dave Flemming, Giants Clubhouse, after NL Championship
by Caine Black Knife on Oct 25, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
True that. But all indications are that he can still move. Glove however… ASK AGAIN LATER
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if he even remembers how to throw a ball.
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by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I look forward to judging that contest
only using Guillens past performance as a reference.
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by SimpleJaquez on Oct 25, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
How could he possibly be worse?
He was at least once upon a time, a very good OF. So he still has those instincts, and probably the arm even if his legs and back can’t keep up with that. IMO that would have to make him better than Guillen.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I don't know if Vlad was ever a very good OF
He had a cannon for an arm but my recollection is that he was not a great field…
Career UZR/150 of -3.5…his dWAR is been below 0.8 since 1999 (in the negative range since 2008)
I would honestly doubt Vlad’s cannon of an arm ever provided any actual value. I remember a whole lot of missing cutoff men and throwing the ball over the catcher and much less throwing guys out from him.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey vs. Lee should be fun
It would seem like Posey has a swing custom designed to beat Lee.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Wait on the pitch, take him to right field. Beat him to death with singles and doubles and smart base running.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 5:12 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s worth pointing out that while we only scored 3 runs in Game 6, we notched 13 hits against Roy Oswalt and Ryan Madson pitching about as well as they ever do.
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Wow. This finally made it sink in. Vlad won’t be in RF Wednesday. If he is… gotta be a mistake.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
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I start to wonder if he won’t be in LF instead. Then again if there’s a crosswind…
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard Washington on ESPN Radio this morning.
“Vlad will be in LF, and he ain’t comin’ out”
There is no way they can cover the gaps with Vlad out there. There will be a hole somewhere.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Sorry he said RF not LF
Vlad will be in RF.
So Cruz plays LF?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ooooh I'm so scared
We just beat the best team in baseball, which makes the Rangers not the best team in baseball. And what’s all this crap about him making three starts? They asked him to pitch on three days rest in the Ray series and he refused. He’s a mercenary FA and he’s protecting his arm.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
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But… but… the RANGERS BEAT THE YANKEES!!!111oneoneleven… That was the “real” World Series right there.
Yes, he’s only making two starts in the Series, unless it’s a media-friendly plus-revenue Game 5 start with the Rangers down 3-0.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't be game 5 if they're down 3-0
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
man i hate your whatever that italics line is called
my buddy, a Yankees fan, was apologetic when he said that the 2010 playoffs are a scouting opportunity for his team. His dad (also a Yanks fan) called and said, ’It’ll be great to get that Lincecum and Lee on our team. We should go get them.’
Ouch.
by sweetjuxtapose on Oct 25, 2010 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions
they'll mow it off with shears made of legal tender
then they’ll let him have the shears as a keepsake. They’ll tell him not to spend the shears in one place but it’ll be tough not to because they’re made of 300 million dollars.
by sweetjuxtapose on Oct 25, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I love how a large portion of the Yankees fanbase truly doesn’t understand why everyone hates them.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s why the world enjoys their 79 non-rings.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don't think Timmy would go there
but Cain and Posey? Southerners seem to enjoy NYC for some reason.
I will also say that finally getting a semblance of offense together makes it possible that these guys will not be so eager to jump ship when their contracts are up. One more year of Cain losing 20 games by one run wouldn’t exactly have been much of an incentive to stay around.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
WE ARE FUCKING GOING TO PAY THEM
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Cain isn’t high profile enough for NY to be interested.
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This
his value is hidden from those who don’t understand real stats.
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by bondslegend on Oct 25, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d be ok if the Yankees and Mets brain trust think like this NYT writer.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/25/keeping-score-giants-starters-arent-as-good-as-billed/?src=twt&twt=nytimesbats
Keeping Score: Giants’ Starters Aren’t as Good as Billed
If we look exclusively at the factors pitchers control most directly, which are strikeouts, walks and home runs, they [Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner] look more like league-average innings eaters than shutdown stars.
Yeah, these are not the starters you’re looking for.
They could be Giants...but not really.
wow, that is a bad headline for a perfectly fine article
Lincecum has lost some velo, Cain really is an xFIP puzzle, Sanchez does have swingthrough stuff but too many walks, and Bumgarner’s calling card has been low walks rather than high strikeouts. I guess the headline writer wanted the article to mimic its subject, with a misleading headline.
and Bumgarner’s calling card has been low walks rather than high strikeouts. I guess the headline writer wanted the article to mimic its subject, with a misleading headline.
Since the end of August Bum’s k/9 is 9.0. Not league average. He gives up hits, but he doesn’t walk guys and when he has his heater above 92 he strikes guys out.
Madbums ERA during the same time frame is 1.13 with a BABIP of .340(!) The dude’s been missing bats.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Glad to see that BABIP matches up with what I expect from “MAH EYEZ!” Definitely felt like the Bum was a recipient of extremely poor luck, in the way of muffed groundballs called hits, prolonged innings, etc.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
I really think MadBum becuase of the low velocity
in June and a couple bad starts has been terribly undervalued throughout the league in general, not here necessarily. He has been amazingly good considering he’s barely 21 and pitching in high stakes situations for half of his time in the his first season.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
His BABIP for the season was .322
but for Sept/Oct, .340. Despite that, he pitched a 1.13 ERA.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
12.2 IP, 12 K, 5 ER, 15 H, 3 BB
Like I said, he strikes guys out, gives up hits and doesn’t walk many. If I remember right in one of his appearances he was getting squeezed pretty hard too.
I guess that line is “getting raked pretty well” when you are being compared to Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum.
It’s not a bad line. It’s not great either, but it’s hardly a crippling line—especially when he is usually matched against the worst opposing starter.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I was mostly going by all the line drives. 29% of all batted balls, per fangraphs. It’s great that he’s maintaining the awesome k/w, but I fear he’s doing it by throwing too many hittable pitches.
he could become elite fast, if he took some lessons from timmy- when you get ahead in the count, throw close balls.
madbum pounds the zone a little too much, it seems. we’ve seen him give up 2 strike hit after 2 strike hit. when he’s ahead, he’s gotta make ’em chase.
i think he’ll also pick up another pitch soon. right now he’s got the FB and slurve, so maybe a changeup (not sure if he has one yet), 2 or 4 seamer
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
actually
you cannot have it both ways (see my post above).
Either the Giants starting pitching is overrated (by ERA) because of FIP numbers OR the Giants’ defense is overrated because the pitching gives them easy plays. Those outs were all recorded.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
it is way way way too early
to worry about the Yankees poaching our talent. Besides, one can hope that by the time we need to pay them, Rowand and Zeets coming off the books will enable us to give them what they deserve.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is off end 2012, Zito is off end 2013.
Cain is up end 2012. Row $=Cain
Sanchy and Timmeh are up end 2013. Zito $=Timmeh, some Sanchy
by the end of 2012/13, we will already be paying Timmeh/Cain/Sanchy a total of $32 mil a year combined, before FA hits. We then get $30 mil off the books from Zito/Rowand.
That leaves $62 million, needing to be signed are Timmeh, Sanchy, Cain plus a FA 5th starter. Can probably keep those 3 plus FA 5th for $45-50 mil total per year.
Posey and Madbum will be affordable in 2016
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
they can fuck off
we’re paying lincecum.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I hate the attitude of Yankees fans – “Well, we’ll just sign Lee and win the World Series next year!” First, it’s bitterness because they (gasp!) didn’t reach the World Series this year. Second, it’s just annoying. Third, I think Lee will end up in New York because he seems to want to get paid (not that I can really blame him), and that makes me sad.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
refer to Grant's post on Phillie pitching for great justice
I view this as the last series redux. We lost one-hitters to Jim Abbot (i think) this year. What more could Cliff Lee do to us?
Exactly. We just beat a team that unloaded Cliff Lee after last year.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 25, 2010 5:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cliff Lee had a 10 - 1 K/BB ratio during the regular season
So far in the post season, it’s 36 – 1
"In fact, I'm gonna try to squeeze my way through here, and uh... uh... [pause] well, now I'm getting crushed, Jon." - Dave Flemming, Giants Clubhouse, after NL Championship
by Caine Black Knife on Oct 25, 2010 5:42 AM PDT reply actions
34:1
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"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Lee doesn’t scare me anymore than any other pitcher on the Phillies or Braves. And by this I mean I am really scared of Cliff Lee.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2010 5:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I say this without exaggeration
the pitchers I have feared most this postseason, in order:
1) Derek Lowe
2) Cliff Lee
3) Roy Halladay
4) Tim Hudson
5) Roy Oswalt
6) Cole Hamels
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson’s gotta be in the top 10, right?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
What about Zeets?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Who?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You know,
teh guy who will be making 1/5th of the teams payroll next year.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I can honestly say
Zito hasn’t scared me one bit all postseason.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh hi Barry
You brought your guitar? Cool.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Mumbles, " something something Heat Miser something"
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
Mumbled? Hit iiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!
Lincecum:
I’m Mister Green Brownies
I’m Mister Fun
I’m Mister Heat Blister
I’m Mister Hundred and One
They call me Lincecum,
Whenever I pitch
The other team is my bitch
I’m too much!
Romo / Wilson / Lopez (dancing):
He’s Mister Green Brownies
He’s Mister Fun
He’s Mister Heat Blister
He’s Mister Hundred and One
Lincecum:
They call me The Enchanter,
Whenever I pitch
The other team is my bitch
I’m too much!
by younghutch on Oct 25, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Awesome!
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
I’m not scared of Cliff Lee. I am however scared of Bengie Molina, who will probably hit .700 with 5 homers and 4 steals in the series…
hey now
that’s uncalled for.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I was scared of Roy Halladay
And then Cody Ross homered off of him.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Kinda this.
Cliff Lee is not a 14 foot tall robot vampire shooting lightning out of his butt.
He can have bad starts. He loses games. He’s due for what the British call a howler (a uncharacteristic mistake befitting an inferior level of competition).
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
(except we're not inferior competition)
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
You fael to understand the metaphor.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
After the first Ross HR off Halladay I received this text from my cousin:
“You see! He’s not a machine. He’s a man!”
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Actually...
/pulls down Roy’s zipper
He’s a Pepsi Twist!
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Fletcher writes about Dick Tidrow and how he drafted each member of the Gs rotation:
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/10/25/theres-nothing-misfit-about-giants-deep-homegrown-rotation/
“In that draft, someone drafted another Sanchez, and it gave me the heebie jeebies,” Tidrow said, “so the very next pick I had to take him. … I said ‘Oh (shoot), someone else is going to take him and I’ll have to kill myself.”
LOL
They could be Giants...but not really.
Shoulda been a FanPost.
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"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Too lazy.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice read, Fletcher
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2010 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Congrats on a great season SF!
How great is it not to have an East Coast team in the WS? This should be a great series. Good luck!
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Welcome!
So how does it look from your perspective? Is DFW excited about the World Series, or more concerned with the Cowboys’ game tonight? And is Ron Washington really thinking of playing Vlad in RF at AT&T Park? Please say ‘yes.’
"(Christy) Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball. The first statement means the same as the second." - Damon Runyon
Thanks for having me.
I think both teams match up real well. I think we have the edge on offense and the Giants have the edge with pitching. I thin the defense is close. Yes Vlad will be playing one game in RF in SF.
Here in DFW we are so excited about the WS. This is a place so many of us have dreamed about and now it is reality. As far as the Cowboys go I really don’t care this has turned into a basball town the last month. I think there are a lot of people that feel the same way about this.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Overall, I agree: it’ll be the Rangers’ hitting vs. the Giants’ pitching.
One team is in for a rude shock, I think. The Rangers appeared to systematically pound out 6 runs and (when the bullpen cooperated) dominated the opposition. Very workmanlike. On the other hand, the Giants postseason experience has been mostly one of good-to-great starting pitching (recent-Sanchez excepted) and somewhat crazy and unpredictable everything else. So we’re expecting chaos and you’re expecting order. It’ll be fascinating to see which develops.
"(Christy) Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball. The first statement means the same as the second." - Damon Runyon
I will say this though
The Rangers pitching hasn’t been bad the postseason. They pretty much shut down the Yankees hitting outside of one game and one inning of Game 1.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
absolutely
I like the Yankees and was disappointed when they were mowed down so mercilessly. Even by dudes not named Cliff Lee.
In particular they seemed to strand an awful lot of baserunners, which is not normally something the Yanks do, but in that series Rangers pitchers really were stingy, even in the more lopsided games.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t do the research, but my impression was the Yankees got caught looking an awful lot.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a worry for the Giants!
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Nietzsche Says
“Out of Chaos Comes Order”
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s awesome! It should be a great series.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah! Fuck the Least Coast!
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006. Bringing you all your California League and New York-Penn League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Side Note:
Can people stop saying that Fox execs are mad. Was this the best possible outcome? No, but it ain’t bad.
In the NL they did just fine, Philly and SF are similar markets and neither team has much of a national following. And DFW is going to be a great market (with the Cowboys 9ers like season)
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
I agree with this
I don’t really care what the media in the East Coast is saying. This is a great series from top to bottom.
In the interest of quicker games Ron should just tell the ump he's pulling the Feliz card and the ump should rule the inning over.--Sherman McCoy on Sept. 4, 2009
In his defense, you are a retarded cuntbag by LiamP on Mar 4, 2010
Indeed
I can’t wait
"This is a good time to come together and raise our middle finger in the air." - Dan Boyle
by TheSoundOfHockey on Oct 25, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions
US Media Markets, ranked by size
Rank Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Households % of US
1 New York, NY 7,515,330 6.484
2 Los Angeles, CA 5,666,900 4.889
3 Chicago, IL 3,502,610 3.022
4 Philadelphia, PA 3,015,820 2.602
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX 2,594,630 2.239
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 2,523,520 2.177
7 Boston, MA (Manchester, NH) 2,460,290 2.123
8 Atlanta, GA 2,407,080 2.077
9 Washington, DC (Hagerstown, MD) 2,389,710 2.062
10 Houston, TX 2,177,220 1.878
11 Detroit, MI 1,883,840 1.625
12 Phoenix, AZ 1,881,310 1.623
13 Seattle-Tacoma, WA 1,874,750 1.617
14 Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota), FL 1,795,200 1.549
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN 1,753,780 1.513
So, we’re looking at the #5 and #6 biggest media markets in the country. Sure, Fox would rather have #1 vs. #4, but they could have had #4 or #6 vs. #14 or #15. Sure, they’d rather have a team from the Eastern time zone. But all in all, nothing to complain about.
I think the overall point has to do with baseball-watching households, really. Philly had the highest number of TVs tuned the playoffs (of any playoff city), Tampa the least. During the regular season, the DFW is like 33rd out of 35 markets in baseball audience—a preseason cowboys game gets 4 times the viewers of a normal midsummer game.
But screw Fox anyways. It’s a great matchup, good for baseball.
by Duelling Brandos on Oct 25, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Heck, they could have had Minnesota vs Cincinnati…they should be happy to have dodged that bullet.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Unless your a Fox executive, why do you care about ratings?
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Dear Fox executive
If you want better ratings:
1) Fire Joe Buck and Tim McCarver.
2) Stop trying to film baseball like it’s a football game.
3) Stop plugging the Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies to the detriment of every other fucking team.
Love and peace,
Bitter Fan
by Bitter Fan on Oct 25, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
/ stamped APPROVED
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
I would be OK with Firing McCarver.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
4) Please refrain from extreme close-ups on the pitcher and batter before the 9th inning, and cut back to the centerfield camera no later than by the time the pitcher comes set.
5) Please keep Mitch Williams away from bright lights or shiny objects.
6) Please cut the number of football promos in half during a baseball game.
"(Christy) Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball. The first statement means the same as the second." - Damon Runyon
by Lyle on Oct 25, 2010 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
7) Please Cut the number of Glee Promos by 75%.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
by kennv on Oct 25, 2010 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m cable-TV-less at the moment, so I’ve been watching the games on mlbtv, which is weird in the postseason: you get the unedited camera feeds. You get to choose whichever camera you want, but the only one that shows the whole field is the one behind home plate, so that’s pretty much what you have to watch.
Anyway, watching the game this way has been an absolute breath of fresh air. I am spared the endless closeups and inane graphs and between-inning commercials. I don’t get to see any replays, but it’s totally worth it.
that's the kind of thing
that I’d definitely pay money to see in the regular season.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s sweet. and you can change camera angles while the ball is in play?
that’s the future of baseball (sports as a whole) programming right there.
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Near the top of the window, there is a button to get FOUR camera angles at the same time. I’ve been watching games this way, and it’s totally awesome. Sometimes they don’t sync up quite right, but it’s still really cool, and better than just one angle all game.
by The Double Deuce on Oct 25, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This, so much.
I could’ve sworn the director for the game as John Woo.
A 3.5 hour ice cream headache.
I would sign this letter.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I would appreciate it greatly if they would quit with the between-at-bat semi-commercials. Leave the ads for in between innings, guys. Nothing takes me out of the game more than panning to a wide shot and letting Joe Buck talk about Taco Bell for 45 seconds while the damn game is still being played.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I would appreciate it greatly if they would quitwith the between-at-bat semi-commercials. Leave the ads for in between innings, guys. Nothing takes me out of the game more than panning to a wide shot andletting Joe Buck talkabout Taco Bell for 45 seconds while the damn game is still being played.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
So, only McCarver, then?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope Fox goes bankrupt
and Joe Buck Yourself and McCarver end up selling “Let Him Smoke” T-shirts.
They mess up Saturday baseball all season, and ruin postseason broadcasts, so F them.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
But Glee does Rocky Horror should be pretty cool.
/gleek
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
meh
The CW can pick up stray shows.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT THEY LOST THE 2 EAST COAST TEAMS AND THAT'S ALL WE PAY ATTENTION TO, SO THEY MUST BE MORE IMPORTANT
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Is anyone concerned about
Lincecum being used on Saturday for no good reason at all? If it had been his day to throw it would have been fine, but it wasnt.
I’m afraid he comes out on Wednesday a little sluggish, and it will be all because he was misused (much like most of his career).
Also wasnt too pleased seeing Bumgarner out there for 2 innings. Would have been fine with 1 because of the reason listed above for Lincecum. I suppose with him its ok though because he wont pitch again until Sunday.
I'm fine with both guys being used
The Giants needed to step on the throats of the Phillies and Bochy knew this. Bring in your best pitchers to close things out.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I personally found it better to use him Saturday, that way he would have a full rest between his last pitching and the first game of the WS. Using him on Sunday would have meant sending him against Texas on short rest.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It was as “Game 7ish” as it needed to be. If the Phillies won Game 6, they’d have both momentum and home-field advantage in Game 7. No thanks. We needed to end it there in Game 6.
"(Christy) Mathewson pitched against Cincinnati yesterday. Another way of putting it is that Cincinnati lost a game of baseball. The first statement means the same as the second." - Damon Runyon
Yes. Not the time to hold back.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither bothered me one bit. You do what you have to to get into the World Series.
Not sure what you mean by Tim being “misused (much like most of his career).” He’s shown the ability to do long toss between starts, and last I heard he still doesn’t ice down his arm after games. He is exactly the sort of pitcher to attempt what he did in relief (and much more likely than Oswalt, for example).
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He’s as close to rubber-armed as any pitcher in modern day baseball. He’s fine for use in a 3-man starting staff.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll take the bait
I am not wild about it but the rewards were high enough to merit the risk. I love the aggressive attitude to get those last 6 outs. What I hated was him being left in to face Ibanez with the fleet of foot Rectum Face on first and Tim is not blowing it by people. That was pushing our luck and we were damn lucky it didn’t cost the game.
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The pitch selection on the last two hitters was weird.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I was screaming at Tim to throw a freaking fastball
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 25, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
he lofted an 81mph changeup and left in right down the middle, and Ibanez hit it into right field (where Nate was playing doubles D, it would have been caught any other day).
Ibanez singled on an 81mph changeup right down the middle, at the belt.
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
For no reason at all? We were trying to go to the World Fucking Series. We put in some of our best pitchers to help us accomplish that goal. That’s a pretty fucking good reason.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
wow-MB breaks out the celebratory F-bombs!
I thought Oswalt looked a little ragged in his last two innings, but I’m hopeful Timmy will have enough rest that he doesn’t suffer that way.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t pinpoint the exact day aliens took over Bochy’s body, but I can tell you we’re in the WS, Bochy is doing a heckuva job, and it doesn’t make any sense to me to me up reasons to criticize right now. We’re in the Wold Series! :)
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Oswalt needs to do more cardio if he’s gonna make it deep into the playoffs.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL STUPID TROLL
all because he was misused (much like most of his career).
..when he won 2 cy young awards. Moron.
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you wouldnt call 120+ pitch outings misuse?
Up until this year, when he was pulled early from a few starts, he was one of the most abused pitchers in the game.
the drop in velocity doesnt bother you? Id call it a direct result of his over use.
Yeah
all he’s done this postseason is completely fucking dominate every time he’s pitched. Man, I wish they used him less.
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by bondslegend on Oct 25, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Game 1 against the Braves
Was definitely dominating, the rest were fine but no where near dominating.
The Giants had the 2nd best bullpen in the game this year. There was no reason to bring in Lincecum in that spot, when they could have used Romo or Casilla. Why bring in your best pitcher, with only one days rest, when you have two very good options already? I could have seen bringing him in late in a game 7, or if it were his day to throw on the side, niether of which was the case.
Id much rather see him have a long productive career than being used for a short term victory. Again, if its game 7 I have no problem with it, but that wasnt the case.
I thought it was kind of weird
but more because of what it seemed to be saying to all the righty guys in the bullpen: we can’t trust you with this.
And maybe they couldn’t, but if they can’t hold a 1-run lead against RH batters, this is going to be a mighty short series.
Anyway, Wilson was smart to get a line drive double play to get out of it on 2 pitches or whatever it was.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
There was no reason to bring in Lincecum in that spot, when they could have used Romo or Casilla. Why bring in your best pitcher, with only one days rest, when you have two very good options already? I could have seen bringing him in late in a game 7, or if it were his day to throw on the side, niether of which was the case.
Do you understand how important that game was, and how much better Tim Lincecum is than Sergio Romo or Santiago Casilla?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, not on a per inning basis. That’s because one’s a starter and one’s a reliever. Going through the lineup multiple times hurts Timmy, having to throw more pitches and pace himself hurts Timmy, Romo gets to take advantage of the platoon split while Timmy faces lineups designed to take advantage of the platoon split, etc….bottom line, going from starter to reliever makes a pitcher something like half a run to a full run (per 9) better. As for why not Wilson? Well I think we generally try to avoid making him save for 2 innings total if possible, right? We were clearly going to use someone besides Wilson to start the inning. Second reason – there was a chance the pitcher spot came up to the plate next inning. If it was possible to avoid using Wilson, that would have meant a real hitter in a bases loaded, 2 out situation instead of Wilson.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Starters as a group get better when they move to the pen. It does not follow that every starter will get better when asked to throw in relief on a given day, as we all saw. I suspect that the track record of starters-throwing-a-quick-inning-in-relief is actually poor.
And it was foolish to burn Timmy for extras or for game 7.
I suspect that the track record of starters-throwing-a-quick-inning-in-relief is actually poor.
Why do you suspect that? I don’t suspect it at all. Why would it differ from a study looking at guys who are shuffled between the pen and starting? And of course when talking about population averages, each individual is unique. That Timmy got hit by the BABIP fairy on 2 of 3 batters he faced (he struck out the other one, Jayson Freaking Werth, a damn fine hitter who had a very nice series) doesn’t mean much. If we’re talking about Lincecum the individual, why would we think he would break the population average?
Overall Bochy put our best pitcher into a very important situation. Rather than wait to see IF we had a lead or were in a similar situation in game 7, he went to finish out the series. What’s objectionable about that? Even if you wouldn’t have done the same thing, at least it makes a hell of a lot of sense.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the whole thing with not having Zito out of the bullpen was because of his longish warmup routine / preparation rituals. If there’s anything to SP not doing well out of the bullpen it might have something to do with those factors.
Probably. A couple additional reasons I personally didn’t like the idea of Zito in the bullpen: bad control. Not a big time K guy at this point in his career. Doesn’t do as well in the first inning of his starts as I would have expected.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, converting a starter into a reliever and pressing a starter into one-time service as a reliever are plainly different things. Show me a link that indicates that starters do improve in one-off relief appearances and I’ll listen.
Using Lincecum there was the equivalent of pulling Burrell for Schierholtz with a one-run lead in the sixth. Bochy manages this way all the time, but it’s short-sighted, because sometimes you’re going to lose that lead despite making all the right moves, and then you need to regroup and win the net one. The gain from using Lincecum there instead of Romo or (the best choice by far) Wilson wasn’t worth what you lose by not having him available later. And this isn’t even touching on any potential fatigue issues.
The gain from using Lincecum there instead of Romo or (the best choice by far) Wilson wasn’t worth what you lose by not having him available later. And this isn’t even touching on any potential fatigue issues.
I’m not sure I agree with that. At best, it’s unclear, and both at least have some rational logic to back them up. On the one hand, you can say the difference between Lincecum/someone else is small. On the other hand, I can say the chance of really needing Lincecum later in the series is small. I still don’t see a reason to get mad over the choice, even if you disagree.
Show me a link that indicates that starters do improve in one-off relief appearances and I’ll listen.
Show me a link that they don’t. I can show you things like this….I mean, it might not be exactly what you want, but it IS something. 1 run per 9 innings is a huge freaking difference. Talent matters, it matters a lot, and guys don’t just lose their talent because it’s a one-off relief appearance.
The main point here, in my view, isn’t who is right on this argument. I’m not sure we have exactly the information we need to know who’s right. The main point I see it is both sides are defensible and have solid logic to back them up. So why get umad at the other side when you don’t have good evidence they’re wrong? Timmy has pitched in relief in his life before, a guy like Randy Johnson has done the one-off relief thing, Timmy is talented….we put our best pitcher in when we needed him. It’s justifiable.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out later.
Are we not supposed to debate marginal decisions anymore? I’m not “mad,” obviously, nor would I be even if the Giants had lost. If I got mad at every one of Bochy’s decisions that I disagreed with, I’d have a coronary.
To me, the bottom line is this. Even the best pitchers, like Wilson or Lincecum, are going to give up two or three runs a game. Let’s say two and a half … that means that in two innings, they will allow, on average, 0.56 runs. Slightly higher against a good offense like the Phillies.
So even with your very best pitchers on the mound, you’ve only got around a 50% chance of holding onto that one-run lead you start the eighth with. You’re going to lose that lead as often as you hold it. You have to prepare for the worst unless you have an undeniable slam-dunk case that pushing all-in substantially improves your chances of immediate victory.
I was undecided at the time
in using Lincecum. It worried me having him coming out of the pen when he hasn’t done it all year, but he’s also Timmy.
Looking back and thinking about it some more, I don’t think it was the right decision, however, I also don’t think it was horrible either.
Are we not supposed to debate marginal decisions anymore?
Correct! We’re in the World Series! Now is the time to be happy and enjoy everything.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
(Btw, you should include the Giants chances of scoring here)
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Only one inning left, so it would be on average a quarter run. Also, Evan’s math is a bit off. Allowing on average 0.5 runs over two innings is not the same as a 50% chance of allowing one, since the average includes the possibility of scoring more. It really doesn’t change the argument much, though. The difference between Lincecum and any other reliever is undoubtedly small. Of course you’d still like to maximize your chances. I was fine with using Lincecum there, but would also have been fine with Romo.
Bork was going for the knockout punch in game 6.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d call it a direct result of I have no fucking clue.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I always wonder how bondslegend has managed to avoid the banhammer all these years. Compromising pix of howtheyscored? No, that obviously couldn’t be it …
I think he avoids it b/c he represents the inner anger inside of us all.
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by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Well he has not done anything wrong really, other than be really passionate about his opinions.
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Nothing wrong?
I think Evan is referring to personal attacks in the form of name calling. But right after the name-calling BL has normally moved on to insult himself, cuss about some random football thing, and retract some sarcastic all-caps thing. All before a mod would have a chance to warn him.
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
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I am pretty sure a mod could warn him at any time.
He could probably cut back on the name calling, I agree with that, but he should not be penalized for being a fan of other sports and talking about them here.
He also, usually, backs up his arguments with facts so it is not like Jim Rome where he calls someone an idiot and disappointment then cuts to music and a commercial before changing to another subject.
I just seem his a real passionate fan, and I do not feel he has done anything legitimately ban worthy.
Plus this 49er season has made his twitter feed HILARIOUS
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Is a hot-head, everyone knows this, but like BLB, he’s our hot-head, so it’s tolerated and he takes the ridicule of being a hot-head in good stride.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Shhhhh…. (he’s actually sweet and sensitive on the inside with a tough exterior – don’t let the caps lock fool you)
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
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Oh, sure, women always love that rough exterior thing…
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
My hypotheitcal nuptials for you 2 (you being drunk & profane at the time) from another thread:
Pastor: Do you take this man, etc.?
‘Babe: FUCK YEAH, I DO.
Pastor: /sigh Do you take this woman, etc.?
’Legend: YOU BETTER FUCKING WELL BELIEVE I DO, PADRE. WAIT, PADRE? ARE YOU FROM SAN DIEGO, YOU COCKSUCKER BECAUSE WE WHIPPED THE UNHOLY SHIT OUT OF YOU AND ALL THOSE OTHER NATIONAL LEAGUE SUCKHOLES AND, SO HELP ME, I’LL KICK THE LIVING SHIT OUTTA YOU RIGHT HERE AND…
Pastor: (terrified) I, err, now pronounce you…
‘Babe: FUCK THIS, JUST KISS ME ALREADY, ’LEGEND. THE GODDAMN GAME STARTS IN A FUCKING HOUR.
’Legend: I FUCKING LOVE YOU.
’Babe: YOU’RE MY GODDAMN, MOTHERFUCKING, SONOFABITCHING DREAM COME FUCKING TRUE.
…cue violin music & rose petals…
by younghutch on Oct 25, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL!
This explains why I woke up with that BONDSLEGEND tattoo…
;)
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I disliked it for tactical reasons, but I doubt it will have much effect if any on his next start.
Interesting that both of the aces called into emergency bullpen duty in the series weren’t particularly sharp, though.
I'm in this line
It seemed like a weird move to me, and worse in hindsight, but throwing 16 pitches on Saturday is unlikely to make any difference come Wednesday.
Also, there were THREE aces called into emergency duty, and MadBum was very sharp.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I too am in this line
He was scheduled to throw bullpen that day. What is a standard bullpen day ? 50 pitches ? 60 pitches ? Even with his warm ups he did not likely exceed that. It was wierd, but I don’t think damaging.
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Neither bothered me. Instead of Bumgarner, Bochy would have gone to Casilla or Mota or Ramirez, no options I really like. Instead of Timmy, he would have gone to the shaky (though I still love him) Romo. Same thing, I get going with the best if Lincecum felt like he was up for it. Plenty of time for both pitchers to rest too.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
How can the playoffs not scare you, Grant?
The point you made in the Phillies series about every pitcher looking like Roy Halladay to this Giants lineup (yet here they are, so who what me worry?) was a good one. The same point could be made about Cliff Lee.
But how can the playoffs not scare you?
1962, 1987, 1989, 2002. How much more do I need to say? A catastrophe is waiting to take place that hasn’t happened yet. A line drive that finds someone’s mitt. A crucial error — physical or mental. A breakdown somewhere. An earthquake. An umpire’s mistake that yet dwarfs any umpire’s mistake that we’ve seen so far.
How can the playoffs NOT scare you?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 7:01 AM PDT reply actions
As long as no reliever does his Felix Rodriguez imitation, I think we’ll be okay.
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Or Shawn Eastes base running…
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Exactly.
And, oh boy, we’ve got Shaw Estes on our roster this year. He goes under the name of Jonathan Sanchez.
(Sorry for initially burying this response elsewhere),
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s just wrong.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Wrong?
I put it to you — Estes and J. Sanchez:
Left-handed starters
Multi-million dollar arms
Ten cent heads
Case closed.
Has anyone ever seen the two of them together?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Except...
Estes had one good year and never got better
Sanchez’s ERA, WHIP, SO/BB ratio, H/9/, Slashing line against, ERA+, and IPs have improved since his first full year…in
Also, Sanchez with no-no last year
Can’t imagine Este ever being able to accomplish that
Estes was my John Bowker...
as expected him to make it big but his head and stuff never leaved up to the hype…
Sanchez is fiery but has never had the crazy hot temper that Estes had…
Please! A 2009 no-hitter against the Padres
Nothing to do with what J. Sanchez brings to this WS.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
My point is that Sanchez is not the head-case
that was Shawn Estes. Sanchez does struggle at times, but this year he has been a lot better at not getting rattled. He pitched some huge games to win the division and LDS. I’m not going to let this one game sway me that he has totally regressed.
I could never imagine Estes having the fortitude to not melt under the pressure of pitching a no hitter. That was my point.
Do you really think that J. Sanchez is going to have his "game face" on in his next start?
I’ll have to see it to believe it. I think that, for practical purposes, the Giants have “lost” J. Sanchez.
He should probably start at home because he may be less likely to implode in front of a friendly crowd.
I’d open up with Cain and Sanchez. There’s no need to go 1-4-7 with Lincecum. Cain will be better rested, and if the Giants go into Texas tied 1-1, they would have Lincecum ready for Game 3, which will make Game 3 seem less like a road game than otherwise.
Texas used Cliff Lee that way against the Yankees, and it worked.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know…I think Sanchez has gotten better but this is his first turn at the postseason…Sanchez gets amp’d up and thus over throws…
Well, fine.
Maybe J. Sanchez is a little more advanced than Estes, but he’s not ready for prime time.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
We’ll see…game 6 was his first poor performance in the playoffs
He was nails in Sept/Oct…
Hopefully he learned something from the last game and Rags/Gardner help him during this break…
I think Giants split the Lincecum/Cain v. Lee/Wilson matchup…if Sanchez shows up…Giants have a big advantage
Not ready for prime time?
Sanchez pitched 5 shutout innings against the Padres in game 162 and then hung 7 zeros on the Braves in Atlanta, and now you’re writing him off as a head case?
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by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
2 IP, 2 ER,
TRADE HIM FOR COREY HART!
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
TRADE HIM FOR BRETT “THE HITMAN” HART
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Do you think Vince McMahon would go for it? It would be a good deal, IMO.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I'm writing him off as a head case.
Padres and Braves have shitty lineups. Much easier to get away with 3 walks per inning against those teams.
You can’t get away with that against the Phillies and he won’t get away with that against Texas.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re writing him off because he had a bad start? Did you see his 11 K game against the Braves? Did you pencil him in as 3rd best starter in the world after that (since Lincecum was coming off a 14 K start and Halladay a no-hitter)? Dude, it’s baseball.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it's baseball
But what did I just say? Major difference between the Braves lineup and Texas’s lineup.
And Texas now knows something that the Braves didn’t know — you can get inside J. Sanchez’s head and mess with it.
Think Molina might come up with some angles to play there? OK, I know that Whiteside and not Molina was J. Sanchez’s designated catcher, but still…
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see anything beyond talking for the sake of talking here. So you can “get inside Sanchez’s head”. I have no idea as to his mental state myself, but let’s assume you do, and you’re correct. Somehow the Braves didn’t know this? Apparently either Jonathan Sanchez hasn’t been pitching for us the last few years or the Braves just decided not to watch? But now because of one bad start Texas knows something the Braves didn’t know? Somehow the Phillies figured it out? I don’t see how you have any basis for what you’re saying at all.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I said that you CAN get inside his head
That he walked the first batter and hitting the second batter in the back at a time when he HAS to throw strikes shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who has watched J. Sanchez pitch for the past few years.
Who is it that keeps posting “2 runs in 2 innings pitched”? Yeah, those numbers weren’t worse because Affeldt bailed J. Sanchez’s ass out!
I guess that the Braves DIDN’T know it or didn’t have the ability to take advantage of it — if for no reason other than the fact that J. Sanchez hadn’t done this on the national stage before.
He wasn’t on their radar.
I really cannot believe this discussion — this argument over whether or not Jonathan Sanchez is extremely erratic, much more erratic than a post-season pitcher should be.
It’s as if you’re arguing that J. Sanchez might just as likely display the cool resolve of Tom Glavine next time.
Do you want to debate the shape of the planet next: round or flat? Do you want to debate whether or not man has walked on the moon?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I really cannot believe this discussion — this argument over whether or not Jonathan Sanchez is extremely erratic, much more erratic than a post-season pitcher should be.
…so? He has erratic control. Why would we look at that, instead of what he does, on average?
It’s as if you’re arguing that J. Sanchez might just as likely display the cool resolve of Tom Glavine next time.
It’s as if J. Sanchez might go out on a national stage in his first ever playoff appearance and strike out 11 guys while only walking one…..
I guess that the Braves DIDN’T know it or didn’t have the ability to take advantage of it — if for no reason other than the fact that J. Sanchez hadn’t done this on the national stage before.
He wasn’t on their radar.
This is one of the stupidest fucking things I’ve ever read. Not that that’s a personal attack, we all make bad comments, but come on, do you REALLY think the Braves, about to play a best of 5 series against the Giants, with Sanchez slated in to start one of the games, didn’t have Sanchez on the radar? Huh? How does that even make sense? Even a little bit?
Do you want to debate the shape of the planet next: round or flat? Do you want to debate whether or not man has walked on the moon?
…
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Mess with his head?
You’re talking as if the altercation with Utley was the cause of Sanchez’ problems when it was more likely a symptom of them. In any case it had zero effect on the game outcome.
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No, I'm talking about what happened BEFORE the altercation with Utley
Sanchez was ALREADY out of that game before that.
How many times can the bullpen bail him out? How manyWorld Series games do you think that the Giants can win with a starting pitcher who isn’t focused?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez was pitching a poor game and had bad control. I’m really not sure what your point is. Of course we don’t want him to do that next time. We’d rather have him pitch like he did against the Braves. What do we expect him to do is the real question. And that’s where you use his overall average.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What happened before the HBP had nothing whatsoever to do with the Phillies “getting inside” his head. Sanchez’ problem seems to be that he sometimes gets inside his own head. But it’s not like that’s some newly discovered flaw that Texas can somehow exploit.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Why are we so quick to assume it’s “in his head”. Sanchez has tough to repeat mechanics – it’s why his control is so poor to begin with. It’s somewhat similar to Randy Johnson, who had the same issues. Why does it have to mean Sanchez is a headcase?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not calling him a headcase
To me, that’s a very pejorative term. You’d never want to start a headcase in an important game.
My assumption that his issues are mental is partly due to his occasional very bad starts but also because of the way his effectiveness drops off so sharply at a certain point in the game. It seems more abrupt that physical tiredness or hitter experience would explain. I’ll admit that it’s also possible he reaches a certain fatigue point and his mechanics fall apart.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
To be clear, I don’t pretend to know anything about pitcher mechanics and such. I have no idea what it is. I just find it odd when people just assume it’s one thing or another, at least without them going into further explanation.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell that to the Padres and Braves
This is just foolish.
I suppose Timmy couldn’t handle the pressure either since he gave up two back-to-back singles in the eighth in game 6.
Nonsense.
I’m really not sure what we’re even talking about here. Are we doubting Sanchez because he had a bad start? Bad starts happen. It’s baseball. What are we debating again?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh, we're debating...
…which is the dominant factor with regard to J. Sanchez: his multi-million dollar arm or his ten-cent head.
Which is most likely to be the dominant factor on a nationally televised game?
You mean to say that, having followed the Giants, you’re not aware of any indicator that J. Sanchez is a head case, other than what he showed in his last start? Are you really saying that his last start was that much of an aberration?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is most likely to be the dominant factor on a nationally televised game?
You mean to say that, having followed the Giants, you’re not aware of any indicator that J. Sanchez is a head case, other than what he showed in his last start? Are you really saying that his last start was that much of an aberration?
What indicator is there that he’s a head case? That he has bad control? That he has bad starts? That somehow his nationally televised game against the Phillies meant something but his 11 strikeout nationally televised game against the Braves didn’t? Sanchez is what he is. He has bad control, great strikeout stuff, and he’s a solid pitcher. Sometimes you get great games out of him, sometimes you get bad games out of him, often it’s something between that. I don’t get your point. He’s a pitcher. It’s baseball. Shit happens.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You're answering your own questions beautifully
What indicator is there that he’s a head case? That he has bad control?—-
Yes.
That he has bad starts?—-
Yes. More bad starts than his native ability should allow and more bad starts than the Giants can afford.
That somehow his nationally televised game against the Phillies meant something but his 11 strikeout nationally televised game against the Braves didn’t?—-Exactly. Just take out the “somehow”. There’s no mystery about this.
Sanchez is what he is. He has bad control, great strikeout stuff, and he’s a solid pitcher.—-How many championships did Shawn Estes win? How many did William Van Landingham win? I’ve seen J. Sanchez’s future. It’s Atlee Hammaker’s past. These were all “solid pitchers”.
Sometimes you get great games out of him, sometimes you get bad games out of him, often it’s something between that. I don’t get your point. He’s a pitcher. It’s baseball. Shit happens.—-
I really cannot believe that people are talking as if nothing had happened. It’s a little like arguing that a suicide bomber shouldn’t be pre-judged because he just had a bad day.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
What kind of stat line do you think we could expect from Sanchez in a World Series start?
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
…take a couple breaths, step away from the argument, come back, think about it deeply, and read everything you just wrote.
Sanchez has bad control. Everyone knows it. That’s not really the point.
You’re really arguing that the game against the Phillies means something and the game against the Braves doesn’t. I wish we could all pick and choose what’s meaningful and what isn’t like that. In that world, the 49ers have a quality QB. Unfortunately, we live in the real world, a world where everyone has ups and downs. You’d be surprised to learn we have actual statistics to project what players are going to do, on average, in that world.
Anyways, that’s as far as I’m going to go. Your points don’t make sense, your arguments aren’t well thought out, and have no evidence/logic behind them. You’re being obtuse, and I suspect intentionally so.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
you aren't trying to make me
click on a David Carr link are you???
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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I like that a 165 yard, 3 TD 1 INT game from 2006 is the best Alex Smith performance you could find.
Actually, I don’t like it. It’s pretty depressing.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I just quickly browsed through QB rating, it was the highest rated game by that metric. I’m sure you could find some other games to use.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re more confident about that than I am.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
There are some other candidates, depending on what stats you use. Here are a couple:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200910250htx.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200609170sfo.htm
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Wrong.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
For me its an easy answer.
First, I never expected the Giants to make the playoffs let alone the World Series. Second, I never expected to man handle the Phillies (over statement). Third, this team is exceptionally relaxed and has been great at handling pressure. Fourth, the pressure always seems to be on the other teams.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Third, this team is exceptionally relaxed and has been great at handling pressure.
This is what has amazed me the most. They’ve handled all the pressure situations beautifully in the postseason. After the benches cleared on Saturday, and with two men on base already, most teams would have folded.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
They’re knuckleheads. Did you ever see the Three Stooges panic? No, you didn’t.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I hate that storyline
knuckleheads? I don’t think so. There are a lot of very bright dudes in the orange and black this year.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
You ever try idiot proofing something?
Part of why it is so damn hard to do is because idiots are so ingenious.
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Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
you mean like the silica packs in shoes
that say “THIS IS NOT FOOD”?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Writers feeling inadequate.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Spoken like someone who works with (or for) Ivy Leaguers every day!
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
IDIOTS!
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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COWBOY UP!
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Thanks to roger
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Great, now I’m scared again. I was having a good day!
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm having a really hard time...
..feeling as confident in our chances against the Rangers as I did against other teams. I find it hard to believe that the hot offensive team (relatively speaking) doesn’t beat the scrappy team that had a lot of things go its way in order to win.
So many close games, and it really feels like we were the lucky ones in the majority of them. Will that luck continue all the way through a WS? Eh…not sure.
I know they have some very spotty pitching in parts, but I’m also not confident we’ll take advantage of it as much as we will should to balance out the runs they’ll get from their lineup.
Just think about: There is no momentum in baseball.
Especially, after a 5 day lay-off.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
As bad as the off-season suxorz, this dead time is even worse.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions
unfortunately
it looks like El Nino (link to Chris Farley’s depiction) is here, and there might be more down time to come.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
They will not be so hot upon facing a pitching staff that is much better than the patchwork mess the Yankees put out.
AJ Burnett is Todd Wellemeyer with 25 times the annual salary.
Pettite = Zito?
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
"Because I don’t know what it means anymore, in the PCL. It’s almost like years ago."
"That’s not to say Buster isn’t fully committed or all-in. He is. He’s smart and he’s got the advance reports. Anybody who said he’s not ready to catch in the big leagues is crazy because he’s a pretty good catcher, especially throwing." - Sabean 7/11/10
I wouldn't call the Giants scrappy.
First, because I hate that term. Second, because they’re very good. Their pitching is truly exceptional, they’re defense is very good. The offense could be better, but it isn’t non-existent. This is a very good team. I don’t know who I would give an edge to on paper, but there’s no reason the Giants can’t win this.
I also don’t think the Giants have really been any luckier than their opponents.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Every time I started to freak myself out, I think about this- (and I freak myself out regarding the Giants hourly).
The Giants bring other teams to them. The games that tend to be close, low scoring affairs, regardless of who is on the mound, tip the scales to their strengths. Close, tight, scary games put extra pressure on the opponent’s defense, and more often then not, that is when mistakes occur the Giants take advantage of.
That and the mystical hitting of Super Rodeo Clown.
"And on the 11th day, the Lord said unto thee, Be Giant"
Seriously looking at this
Who can we say we played that was similarly offensively?
We can say the Reds, right? We seemed to play them pretty well in the later season series.
Who else did we play later in the year that was similar? I’m having a hard time coming up with someone else, and I’m just curious.
LONG LIVE THE SUPER RODEO CLOWN!
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Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
Man, Philly is losing it right now.
At fault:
H2O. They didn’t pitch well enough, starters should have gone 8 or 9 innings each game.
Ryan Howard. Used all his hits with no one on.
They need to platoon a righty bat with Dom Brown next year
Ryan Madison chokes under pressure.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
Which station are you listening to?
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
97.5, 610, NBC TV.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
John Gonzalez is such a d-bag
After the series was over, he compared the Phillies loss to the 1906 Earthquake. Now he’s talking about how he was going to write about how the Giants are chokers if they lost game 6.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
He is a moron.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Listening to him whine right now is making my day
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
That’s good that he was going to write that. Of course, the Giants didn’t lose Game 6, so that’s like me saying I was going to write about how bad my breakfast was when it turned out to be delicious.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you see Jim Rome's clip after the Giants lost Game 5?
“Has a 3-2 series lead ever felt worse?” (tilts head to side, stares into camera, pregnant pause). He had the exact same look on his face when he antagonized Jim Everett, and was subsequently punched in the face.
Rome is an SF-hating joke. I still can’t believe anyone gave him a national stage.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Madson was actually pretty good right up until that Uribe homerun...
He scared me the whole time. You just have to realize that no matter how good you are pitching, one pitch can change everything.
BUSY, BUSY, BUSY
by girltothemax on Oct 25, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
You can’t block the jazz hands.
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"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
They’re ragging on Madson, whose only mistake was a first row homer to Uribe? That’s gotta be just the hangover talking.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Heck
I’d even toss in Aaron Rowand.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is expensive
Need to sweeten the pot with an inexpensive, major-league ready player like Velez.
Shoot the guy who approved that ridiculous little stadium.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
This
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Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
I absolutely love
that they were eliminated by a first-row BS fly ball homer by the visiting team. Awesome.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/ NODS NODS!!
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bandbox
is bandbox
or whatever that meme is
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
bandbox stadium is a bandbox
close enough
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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YES
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Shane Victorino: .208/.296/.250
Chase Utley: .182/.333/.227
Chooch: .167/.318.333
Ryan Howard: .318/.400/.500
But Ryan Howard will get all the blame because of RBI.
via Fangraphs
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest fail in that series was Utley…no bat and made numerous fielding gaffes…he’s not Brooks Conrad but he certainly tried his best
he was a 0-tool player
and looked nothing like the one-man assault on the Yankees in the WS last year.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
So….odds on Ian Kinsler suddenly turning into Brooks Conrad aka Chase Utley?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
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Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
LOL wow
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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UGh
I read the comments. Ussally a fairly safe thing to do there. “7ks in 13 Pa’s is unacceptible” ( or some such) realy… every think that when you face a team that has 8.2 K /9 ip that is gonning to happen?
If there is no one to knock in how his he supose bring them home… ala Cody Ross?
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Howard strikes out a lot anyway. Of course he’d strike out against a strike out staff. And he’ll also get extra base hits. No homeruns, thankfully for the Giants, but a very good series for him.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
With Brown in the lineup, they are going to be even more vulnerable to lefties next season. Electing to throw all that money at Howard instead of Werth is going to be the death knell of that dynasty.
they were talking dynasty before they played us, as if they expected to steamroll right over us.
i wouldn’t call that Phils team a dynasty, maybe if they had made the WS and won it, but we ended that on Sat night.
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
How dare Howard use all his hits when nobody was on!?! He should have saved them up!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And further...
The starting pitching keeps the games tight into mid to late innings which the Giants team is much experienced at handling. They don’t freak out, they expect a clutch hit or great defensive play somewhere along the line and KNOW the bullpen will likely extend the chances of getting the needed one or two runs.
It’s simple right?
"And on the 11th day, the Lord said unto thee, Be Giant"
by IdahoTee on Oct 25, 2010 7:32 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Giants season was 18 outstanding starts and 144 coin flips…
Great starters, very good bullpen, generally solid to superior defense and middle-of-the-pack offense. It’s a very good formula.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
all true and well put.
and a formula that can be a foundation for a lot of success for years to come with the youth of the starting pitching.
"And on the 11th day, the Lord said unto thee, Be Giant"
Hopefully some homegrown bats are ready to step up soon. That will make it easier to give fair market value to keep the pitching together, and lessen the need to pay [overpay] for free agent position players.
5 years down the road, I would be surprised if we had the same front 4 starters. But that’s baseball.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yanks trading Swisher. I’ll take one.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
Exactly.
And, oh boy, we’ve got Shaw Estes on our roster this year. He goes under the name of Jonathan Sanchez.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 7:36 AM PDT reply actions
"If Molina knows the Giants, the Giants know Molina."
Texas is going down, down, down and gone!
BUSY, BUSY, BUSY
Wonder how much benefit we get from the other side of the trade… how much can Chris Ray provide in the way of intel?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course Mitch Williams picks Texas
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/134101/index.html?eref=twitter_feed
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Awesome…heard it him on Dan Patrick this morning picking Rangers…greatest lineup since baseball was invented, Cliff Lee is the best pitcher except Roy Halladay, and Phillies lost because their offense was cold (apparently, the Giants were trotting out BP pitchers and the Phillies just were cold)…
No mention of the greatness of the Ranger’s staff after Lee or that great bullpen.
he played with the Rangers. not surprising.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
YES! I was worried he would pick the G’s.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
the best thing about watching the games in a bar in Yosemite
if that can be said, was that the sound was turned off such that he and his idiot twin Karros were inaudible.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Yosemite!
I’ve spent a lot of time there. Which bar were you in?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We ended up
outside the park at Tenaya. Which we don’t like, at all, but it served the purpose and there were a lot of Giants fans, especially on W and Th. Saturday there was some conference there, and clueless people asking things like “is his nickname Panda?”. But a lot of spirited bandwagoners too, which was fine.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I prefer Yosemite Valley to Tenaya. I worked for a few months before college in the Curry Village pizza/bar place. Spirited bandwagoners can make for a good time.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
heh, probably bought something from you at some point
the pizza place in Curry used to be a lot of fun before they moved the raccoons out of there.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
you were in Yosemite this weekend? so was my dad, who was watching at the Awhanee hotel bar.
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
We’re going to Yosemite in December, hopefully all this baseball stuff has been decided by then, and all I’ll be missing is 109 outfielder rosterbation posts.
Yosemite in the winter is awesome.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that's part of why we go in fall
plus leaves and usually good weather. And cheap as hell, which is probably true in winter too.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
somehow my wife concluded
there was no TV there, which I thought silly. The bar there is obviously much nicer but must have been more crowded too.
There’s one at the Lodge that seemed fine but we were staying in Wawona so it made for a shorter drive back at night.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
GOOD!
He’s already proven that he knows jack shit about these teams, so I’d actually be worried if he picked us.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
unfortunately a lot of smart people are picking the Rangers, too.
Doesn’t matter though.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
LOL KUIP
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
Semi Shift-A: Tough series at Phillies
Giants did well not embarrass themselves…good luck to the Phillies against the Rangers
The Flyers changed their name?
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I know the Giants did not win the NLCS…just like they did not win the NLDS…
Good year for the Giants though
We missed the playoffs and then got swept by the Braves.
You could look it up.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
The Machine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkSElfm7Lk
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
The blog war begins
From Lone Star Ball
The Giants have a guy named Grant too!
Difference is our Grant can write!
and
and has hair and a beard!
I don’t know which comment is more inflammatory.
no dude, my sense of humor is bizzare, you read it right — I just hope the kind lovable mods here don’t get mad at me.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
Good God I love the Sports Pickle
http://www.sportspickle.com/news/3849/giants-send-huge-box-of-drugs-to-ron-washington-and-josh-hamilton
The San Francisco Giants engaged in bit of old-fashioned gamesmanship today by trying to get inside the head of their World Series opponent Texas Rangers before the series officially opens.
"We sent a big box full of cocaine and champagne to their locker room, addressed to Ron Washington and Josh Hamilton," said Giants outfielder Pat Burrell. "It was hilarious."
"It’s good-natured," said Giants manager Bruce Bochy. "Boys being boys. We just want to have a laugh and get under their skin a little bit. That’s also why we included the needles and some heroine."
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
by 49er16 on Oct 25, 2010 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I’ll admit it: You had me going there for a minute.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
If you haven't guess by now
The Sports Pickle is a satire site, like The Onion.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
No, no. I got it. It just took me a second to get there. The Bochy quote is what gave it away. He’s nowhere near that articulate.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Rangers’ blow… literally.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The Blow Ranger? I am pretty sure the Kids in the Hall did skit about this…
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
They should “accidentally” replace Hamilton’s walk-up music with “White Lines”.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
What are they going to do to the poor heroine!? She doesn’t deserve that.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve heard acupuncture can be quite therapeutic. And if not, cocaine is a very effective anaesthetic…
by Calum on Oct 25, 2010 2:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
to the Giants, every pitcher is Cliff Lee.
big whoop.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 7:58 AM PDT reply actions
Kruk on KNBR: "We kicked their ass, we drank their whisky, and we took their plane."
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Oct 25, 2010 8:00 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Veni, Cody, Wilson
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 25, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Or was that the livestock?
I get so confused about theese things.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
The younger fellas might go for the women, but the vets know livestock will keep paying dividends as time goes on.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/ nods
A good sheep will do taht for you.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
Let's see...
Kicked their ass? Maybe swearing.
Drank their whiskey? Alcohol.
Took their plane? Maybe screaming? I dunno.
Giants celebrations: TIM WUZ RITE
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
I love you Mike Krukow.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/10/24/1771911/congratulations-san-francisco-giants
I’m not surprised that the Giants are where they are, but the way in which they’ve managed to arrive is absolutely sensational. Their path to the World Series makes sense from afar but makes no sense up close, and it’s for that reason that I’m not even going to bother trying to predict how this next week and a half are going to play out. The Giants are playing the Rangers. They will play between four and seven games. The Giants have some advantages over the Rangers, and the Rangers have some advantages over the Giants. I could try to wade through the numbers and find some keys that stand out. And who knows, maybe those keys would stand out, making me look like a genius. But just as likely is that the World Series ends when Cliff Lee issues Pablo Sandoval a bases-loaded four-pitch walk, and I’m perfectly content to just watch this madness unfold.
The Rangers and the Giants. Either way, Bengie Molina gets his ring. And either way, this will end up the best October in memory.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
Those guys are awesome. I have the utmost respect for Lookout Landing. I agree with whoever said they’re like the AL version of MCC.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
So Grant is older than Jeff?
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN Experts:
Rob Neyer: Ranger in 6
The Rangers can certainly match the Giants’ starters. Cliff Lee is just as good as Tim Lincecum and C.J. Wilson is just as good as Matt Cain, and Colby Lewis is just as good as Jonathan Sanchez.
Sanchez’s ERA this season was second best among San Francisco’s starting pitchers. His strikeout-to-walk ratio was fourth best, his home run rate fifth best. As low as his ERA was, it’s hard to avoid ranking the Giants’ 2010 starters something like this:
1. Lincecum
2. Cain
3. Madison Bumgarner
4. Sanchez
5. Zito
Kurkjian: Rangers in 7
lol...
i like how he says their non-lee starters are as good as any of ours…LOLOLOL…
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Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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They are very, very close. Don’t fall into the same trap that the Phillies did when assuming that Halladay Oswalt and Hamels were so vastly superior to our staff.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
I disagree…
Lee is Lee but CJ Wilson is nowhere near Cain….
It’s impossible to compare Sanchez with anyone…he can throw no-hitters or go 2 1/3 with 2 ERs…
Look at the numbers and get back to me.
I think Wilson is comparable to Sanchez. Their numbers are pretty similar – both have kind of poor control and have been relievers in the past. Sanchez Ks more though (walks a little more), but has a higher HR/9 rate.
And nothing about Colby Lewis’s line this year screams fluke to me. His numbers are also very similar to Cain’s.
Again, I think 1-2-3 are fairly close – perhaps we have a slight edge in Games 2 and 3 but I would also say Texas has a slight edge in Game 1 with Lee. Game 4 is the only game where I feel we have a concrete advantage in Bumgarner over Hunter or Holland.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
Disagree
You can’t compare FIPS and xFIPS for Cain, because he is an aberration. Game 1 is a two time Cy Young winner against Cliff Lee, so it’s pretty much a pick’em with whoever has better stuff that day having the edge. Think about it, if Lincecum looks like the Timmeh who pitched game 1 against Atlanta, Lee will have to match zero for zero. Game 2, the Giants have the distinct advantage of a pitcher who has had one of the top 15 ERA’s in baseball over the last 3 years. Game 3 will depend on whether or not good Sanchez shows up or bad Sanchez, if it’s good Sanchez he’s an elite pitcher when he’s on, or he’ll go 2 innings and give up 2 runs. So it’s probably a pick’em, and game 4 the Giants have a distinct advantage.
So it works out:
Game 1: Push
Game 2: Edge Giants
Game 3: Push
Game 4: Edge Giants
Also:
Cain: 2010 ERA – 3.14
2009 ERA – 2.89
2008 ERA – 3.76
CJ Wilson: 2010 ERA – 3.35
2009 ERA – 2.81 (as a reliever)
2008 ERA – 6.02 (as a reliever, injured)
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You can’t compare FIPS and xFIPS for Cain, because he is an aberration.
You really can. They’re better than ERA. Especially when you’re comparing the ERA of an NL pitcher who gets to face pitchers to the ERA of an AL pitcher who faces lineups with DH’es.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
If that's true
Than why doesn’t Cain ever pitch to anything closely relating to his FIP or xFIP? How come these never equate and how come there hasn’t been a correction to the mean?
I’ve seen articles from Neyer, fangraphs and Hardball Times all try to explain the Cain phenomenon and it’s never worked out.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, we generally have good defensive teams. That helps. Look at it this way: the difference in his career ERA v career FIP* is just under .4. Some of that is definitely defense. At most we’re talking about what, maybe a .2 difference? And heck, some of that might be facing generally weak lineups in the NL West (note: not saying it is, just throwing it out as an example of one of many plausible factors)….the point being whatever “skill” we’re talking about here is probably pretty small, and really doesn’t invalidate FIP. It just means there’s a small error. Also worth noting: RA (as opposed to earned runs allowed) does tend to become really good with a big sample, though we’d still expect it to be biased in this particular case since Cain has pitched his whole caerer on the Giants, and we’ve had good defensive teams over his career.
*I see no reason to use xFIP over FIP if you have a big sample unless the entire sample is biased by a HR suppressing park, and even so, I don’t like regressing 100%. In Cain’s case, the games will still be played in AT&T, so even if there is a bias, it’s still present so who cares, and furthermore, his H/R HR rates are very close anyways, so I think the evidence strongly says FIP is the way to go.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
some of that might be facing generally weak lineups in the NL West
However, C.J. Wilson has had one good year as a starter and that came in a year in which most AL West offenses looked like a version of their AAA team. Why in the world wouldn’t you take a guy who has consistently posted great numbers against a guy who had one good year playing in a division that ran neck and neck with the NL Central for worst in baseball?
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he's a good-not-great pitcher
..who has been lucky this year:
His 2010 xFIP was 4.2, and that seems about right to me. Unlike Cain, he doesn’t have a 100-IP career demonstrating lowish BABIPs, though like Cain if not as exceptionally he has a lower-than-average HR/FB. I’d say he is a good bet to be above-average going forward, but not this good. In this series, who knows, but I’d suggest he’s more vulnerable than most to a spate of bad luck.
SSS
but I think the ALCS is probably indicative of what you will get from Wilson…one pretty good game and one horrible game…hey he could be Texas’ version of Sanchez…
oh those wacky lefties…
I think that is exactly right
He is Texas’s Sanchez. The same xFIP, the same 2:1 K/BB, the same occasional inconsistency, the same on-balance, above-average bet in any given game.
Yes, one thing I think Neyer missed is he doesn’t always mentally regress as much as he should. Especially with Wilson/Lewis, with their sample sizes you definitely need to regress some. That is a valid point.
Also, I completely agree on the division analysis this (as opposed to league), but don’t forget about the DH. It offsets a whole lot of shittiness.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I wasn’t really even trying to compare Cain/Wilson myself, as much as discuss the whole FIP/xFIP issue. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people try to throw a good statistic out. Even if there are valid concerns/biases, there’s still probably a lot of good info that should be used in the statistic. Even if Cain can outperform his FIP, it’s still probably pretty close to his true talent level, and still better than ERA.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Rangers played in the awful AL West
NL league average: 4.35 ERA, 1.348 WHIP, Slash line: .255/.324/.399
AL league average: 4.14 ERA, 1.346 WHIP, Slash line: .260/.327/.407
CJ Wilson vs. +.500 teams this year
3.56 ERA, 1.356 WHIP, Slash line against .236/.329/.300
Matt Cain v. +.500 teams this year
2.81 ERA, 1.124 WHIP, Slash line against .227/.285/.379
We know about Sanchez’s deal:
Lewis v. +.500 teams:
4.58 ERA, 1.325 WHIP, Slash line against .248/.315/.412
Matt Cain. Faces pitcher
CJ Wilson: Faces DH
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s why I put up the league average…there is a difference in the slash line but not that much…
Does that mean the AL has that much better pitchers? I don’t know…
Could be true but
I don’t think the AL is that good this year…
Other than Minnesota, Yankees, Rangers, and Rays…the AL teams been pretty bad…Toronto, Tigers, Chicago is the only 2nd level teams…everyone else has been pretty bad offensively (A’s, Angels, Seattle, Royals, Indians, Baltimore)
Colorado, Phillies, Braves, Reds, St. Louis all hit well…heck even the D-backs, Mil, and FLA hit well…
I’m not sure the AL/NL talent split is that big this year…
Look at interleague records. The AL is definitely better. The gap IS closing, but it’s still worth taking into account.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers account for one of the nine spots in the lineup (probably roughly 3 PA’s per game due to pinch hitters), and this should have a sizable impact. But repeatedly facing the Seattle, Oakland, and Los Angeles of Anaheim lineups has got to make pitchers look a lot better. Whether this is offset by the Giants facing some superior within-division lineups (i.e. Colorado and Arizona) I have no idea, but I think it’s a more complex argument than just DH/no DH.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and relief pitcher for the Fresno Grizzlies.
It is more than just DH/non-DH. However, that’s a significant factor. Also, the Giants probably faced a below average (for NL) group of hitters. San Diego were prety bad, as were the Dodgers. Arizona was pretty close to NL average. Only the Rockies were actually a good lineup.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it's not the best gauge
but I think the +.500 team stats are meaningful…especially Lewis’ splits
I’ve never seen it shown that there are some pitchers who do better than you’d expect against worse teams and worse than you’d expect against better teams based on their averages…..
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems to me that a lot of the offense in the AL
Seems like this should be weighted for opponent no?
Teams the Rangers played less or didn’t play at all…
Team/wOBA/rnk
Yankees / .349 / 1
Red Sox / .345 / 2
Blue Jays / .334 / 4
Rangers / .333 / 5
Teams they played most
Mariners .286 / 14
Angels .309 / 13
A’s .315 / 10
While the Giants played the Padres and Dodgers a bunch, at least they played Arizona (.324, 6) and Colorado (.333, 3) a bunch.
The rangers played the three of the five worst offenses in the AL for close to half of their games.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
oops.
forgot to fix the header after editing my post.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes I strongly believe talent should be looked at on the division level, rather than the league level.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t be a Philly fan by refusing to admit the talent in the rotation.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the stance has some merit ( I said some) if looked at in terms of realized potention. The thing is though this is all about Small Sample Sized Theather now. Now one arround ehre should need to be reminded about Bobby Effing Jones. No One.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
Spoiler: Grumpy older Giants fan is Grumpy.
hahahaha no
C.J. Wilson is just as good as Matt Cain
Cuz he knows how to win amirite?
Colby Lewis is better than Game 6 Guapo, but is ugly terrible crap compared to NLDS Game 3 Guapo.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
C.J. Wilson is as good as Matt Cain because his (important) stats are as good as Cain’s.
Everybody is better than game 6 Sanchez, and no one is as good as game 3 Sanchez, so I don’t know what’s the point of that sentence is.
I think
Cliff Lee is as good as Game 3 Guapo, and the point of that is it’s pretty hard to compare him to anyone in any particular game.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
An average Cliff Lee start doesn’t go 7.1 innings, 11 K’s, 1 walk, 2 hits, 1 run.
This is why we use averages. Sometimes Sanchez is fantastic, sometimes terrible, the rest of the time something in the middle. On average, he’s pretty good. So is Lewis.
Lewis
is the one who impressed me the most of the non-Lee people
you’ve gotta remember the AL skews the numbers somewhat too.
by PocketfullofPoseys on Oct 25, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know about this. Matt Cain has been doing weird things to advanced pitching stats for a while.
Wilson is certainly good though.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
this
not to diss Wilson, I will admit he’s good. But how long does Cain have to outperform his stats before we acknowledge that, at the very least, those stats may not be the best to judge him in particular? Clearly it bears further monitoring, but at the very least I think we have to be a little bit cautious of categorizing Cain based on xFIP.
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by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s overblown how “weird” Matt Cain is. Maybe he does have some BABIP skill, he likely does, and he likely has some HR suppressing skill, too. I don’t think there’s a very good case it’s a big factor, though.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see a very good reason to use xFIP, myself. To this point I haven’t seen good evidence that xFIP is better than FIP in large samples – just that it’s better in small samples when random variation from HR/FB can really distort a guys performance.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see a very good reason to use xFIP, myself in this situation
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t find the the article now, but the break-even point in terms of regressing HR/FB rates is somewhere around 200 innings (that is, at 200 innings, you regress 50% – half way between FIP and xFIP). So, with the 1,000+ innings Cain has thrown, there isn’t really reason to regress much.
Mostly agree, but if you have reason to think there’s some sort of bias in the numbers, you would regress more than normal. For example, if a guy has played the entire sample in the same park that suppresses HR’s….
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
yep
and that’s why I’m really not expecting to win the series. We may have a slight advantage in the bullpen, but SP is dead even, and the Rangers have better hitting. So yeah..
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Thanks to roger
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This sounds exactly like the Phillies series though…
It should be good, but I wouldn’t give the Giants too much of an advantage on paper.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Lewis vs. Sanchez looks to me like the biggest mismatch, and it favors Texas.
Have they decided who’s starting game 4 yet?
Nolan Ryan.
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Good call
Except you’re wrong. If good Sanchez shows up, he will dominate Texas and it will favor the Giants. And, neither you nor anyone else knows if good Dirty or bad Dirty will show up.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I smell a lot of if coming off this plan.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh, it was a LOST reference.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
He's trying to trick you
It’s really a Simpsons reference.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Firefly.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I imagine that me and groug are chuckling to ourselves right now.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Goddamnit Howie, we talked about this.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 25, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, what he plans and what takes place ain’t ever exactly been similar.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 25, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
:)
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, there is Bumgarner versus, uh, Tommy Hunter? That’s really lopsided for us.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
From what I’ve read, due to his strong performance out of the bullpen, Derek Holland is also in the mix for Game 4.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
I was surprised at that too
but I haven’t seen them at all until the postseason.
If there are a lot of rain delays, having him available to come on in long relief might be a significant advantage which I dunno if the Giants can match without another Affeldt-type masterpiece appearance.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Belgium is far far superior than Holland…better chocolate…better EU headquarter…
Hollands has got windmills and tulips…
But Belgium is doing its level best to go all Yugoslavia on its fine self. Give me Holland’s stability.
Cromulent!
Best word in this thread…
Perfectly describes Jools Holland also.
by Calum on Oct 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
2010 xFIP
Wilson 4.2
Sanchez 4.1
Wilson has been lucky this year. Not super-lucky, but he’s evenly matched with Sanchez. The real issue, as noted, is that Sanchez often looks like a binary bet: either an ace or an explosion. But his last start aside, Sanchez is a good pitcher who this year has been reasonably consistent.
Oops. I guess I assumed Wilson was matching up with Sanchez.
Is Lewis really much better, though? I’d give him the edge as well, but not by very much.
More innings per start, better FIP and xFIP, hitter’s park in the better league … seems like a lot of little advantages for Lewis.
Cody Ross needs to change his name to
Ffilcy Ross.
Or maybe Eely Ross. Then we can have fun backwards spelling day all night long.
by barenakedladies on Oct 25, 2010 8:19 AM PDT reply actions
OT
Courtesy of Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus:
Charlie Culberson, 2B, Giants (AFL: Scorpions)
Culberson is the offensive talk of the AFL so far, going 17-for-31 with 28 total bases in his first seven games while leading the league in all three triple-slash categories. A supplemental first-round pick in 2007, who didn’t hit at all until this year, Culberson has been showcasing bat speed, gap power, and impressive athleticism so far, and scouts are not only noticing, they’re mostly emphatic in their belief that this year’s regular season breakout is the real deal.
Man you are such a kill joy.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
what is that?!
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I can watch this over and over again.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sell!
sell!! sell!!!
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember when MadBum's velocity dipped to 88mph
and we were freaking out about the biggest bust in draft history, the San Francisco Giants 2007 draft where we had 6 first round picks and managed to swing and miss on all 6?
It’s starting to look better. Now, if only Jackson Williams can do something…….
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Still looks like a very bad draft to me. Of 6 picks in the first 50, looks like we’re getting one good major leaguer, one guy with a decent shot to be a replacement level major leaguer (Alderson), one guy who probably won’t make the majors (Culberson), and three guys who couldn’t handle A+.
BUT WE GOT FRANCHEZ
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Keith law disagrees with your assessment
keithlaw
More. RT @Gshell23: @keithlaw Culberson a fringe bench player or more?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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fringe unless he suddenly develops a glove
But then I didn’t like the pick and I don’t trust Cal-League breakouts.
I have never paid attention to AFL performance. What is interesting is who gets picked. That tells you a lot about what a team is thinking, which both reflects an organization’s up-close scouting and its institutional commitments. Those matter a lot. Performance, not so much. Anything can happen in 100 plate appearances, though, especially in the high desert.
I don’t know if the list of players the Giants have picked to take to the AFL over the past few years is particularly impressive. There was Posey, obviously, but also Burriss, Frandsen, Pill, Hinshaw, Sadler…
I know
I’m just not so sure if the fact that the team likes him is that important. They don’t seem to be better at telling who’s good and who isn’t than people outside the organization.
Eh, I’d probably give them the benefit of the doubt. This doesn’t apply to the Giants specifically, but there is evidence that the “survivor effect” of minor leaguers matters, which essentially tells us that whether teams pick to call you up or not DOES matter to some extent, so they do know something. If you take two guys of equal minor league performance, one gets called up, one doesn’t, the one that gets called up really is better on average. Second, we also find MLB players that are traded vs kept, the population of players that are kept do better going forward than ones who are traded, so it’s more evidence teams do know something about their players. Whether the Giants are below average, average, or above average in these regards I do not know, though.
by Missing Barry on Oct 27, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit. My friend from HS is playing on that team!
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by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, here's a little fight starter
If Guillermo Mota isn’t going to pitch, is there a better use of his roster spot?
I suppose there were no blowout games in the first two series, but is he going to be trusted in a blowout game in the WS if one happens? Can he go more than 2 innings anyway if there is a spot for that? And if not, well, what? Zito that hasn’t pitched in a month? Ford or Burriss to pinch-run once or twice? Runzler for, well, whatever he does?
Sorry if Grant’s overseas minions have already posted a rosterbation thread.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
Culberson for DH
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I still think you keep him on the roster. Texas’s lineup scares me, and we need more RH relievers against their lineup – Hamilton is the only big lefty bat I can think of off the top of my head, as opposed to Cruz, Vlad, Young, etc.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
True...but
they were running on all cylinders prior to the playoffs
.285/.366/.456 in September/October
Ranger's lineup...
Ranger lineup is very very good but I don’t think it’s as good as the Phillies:
Andrus is fast and has gotten on base in the playoffs…but he doesn’t really walk (OBP: .342/64 BBs), SO a lot for a leadoff guy (94 Ks), and his base stealing is suspect (32 SB/15 CS)
Molina is the Rangers catcher…done
Vlad is good but definitely benefited from batting behind Hamilton…also struggled greatly in the 2nd half
Young is good but basically a K (115) v. power (.444 SLG) guy
Hamilton is incredible/Cruz and Kinsler are very good
Mitch Moreland had an incredible series against the Yankees…low BA (.255) but good OPS (.833)
The difference – Philadelphia limped into our series. They had a bunch fo injuries throughout the year and never really had that lineup gel together. Rollins had a nagging hamstring, Polanco was also banged up. They had a shitty series against the Reds offensively.
Texas just DESTROYED the Yankees. Granted, the Yankees have nothing close to our pitching staff, but Texas is very, very scary.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
There is no such thing as momentum in baseball
There is no such thing as momentum in baseball
There is no such thing as momentum in baseball
There is no such thing as momentum in baseball
That is all.
"I signed up for this job, the day I was born" - Brian Wilson, Ninja
by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But I do think that hitting with confidence and having your “swing” put together means something. Look at how Cody Ross was going up there in the NLCS, he was oozing confidence and he clearly was seeing the ball well, seeing breaking balls early, laying off bad pitches.
Sometimes players are doing well, sometimes they have an elbow problem that causes their mechanics to get a little off, etc. I don’t think you can dismiss outright the fact that they played very, very well against the Yankees.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
Let’s just say if you try to bring “momentum” based theories to betting in Vegas, you’re going to lose more money than you would by ignoring it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe you looking for
“Momentum is tommarow’s starting pticher” , Earl Weaver.
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No such thing as momentum?
Let’s travel to an alternate universe where Ryan Howard either crushes Wilson over the short porch in right or inside-outs it down the left-field line.
Are the Giants emotionally able to come back and win Game 7?
People agonize over Livan vs. Kirk for Game 7 in 2002. But does anyone really think that the Angels didn’t win the 2002 WS by winning Game 6? Game 7 was surely nothing other than a seal placed on an accomplished fact.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes...Giants win game 7 if they start reuter...
I have no doubts in my minds…also since he held the Angels scoreless after he came in
He did...
…but I don’t think that that’s the same thing as saying that he would have held them scoreless from the 1st inning.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. Cain shuts ’em down. I am 100% certain.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
So there’s a whole lot of evidence that humans, in general, are very good at finding meaning in things that are nothing more than random variation. That is, we see patterns in randomness. Momentum probably does exist in some way, shape or form, as emotions do affect people’s action….but the evidence largely suggests with baseball whenever you talk about momentum, most of the time you’re just seeing patterns in randomness.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
owlcroft has often said something quite similar.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Carl Sagan has a good bit on the whole human beings like to find patterns in things in his book “Demon Haunted World”. We see a man on the moon, Jesus on tortillas, and the Virgin Mary on grilled cheese sammiches… It’s just something people do. That being said, whenever the momentum thing gets brought up I always think back to ‘02. After what happened in Game 6, I didn’t know anybody who thought the Giants would come back to win Game 7.
Alternatively
After this happened, I don’t know anybody who thought the Astros would come back to win in Game 7.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That Matt Cain picture is even better cropped
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 25, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Momentum is easy enough to feel, no doubt. The question is whether it has a meaningful impact on future performance, and if you can actually judge what that impact will be.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
except the Phillies were the hottest team in September/October and led the NL in scoring down stretch, once they got their lineup healthy. they went 23-7 in Sept/Oct averaging 5.56 runs/game.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I. LOVE. BUSTER. POSEY.
knbrmurph Brian Murphy
More Krukow: “I saw Buster in the elevator after the game. I told him, ‘This doesn’t happen every year.’ He said: ‘Why not?’” #SFGiants
From Kruk’s spot on Murph and Mac.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
by thebighead on Oct 25, 2010 8:40 AM PDT reply actions 17 recs
It is now
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I think he will make it happen every year.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely no respect from Rangers fans at the Lone Star Ball.
Many fans predicting Rangers in 5. Oh yea and this:
Now I’m bitter that the Padres blew a six game lead.
no we’re lucky that they did so the Giants could get hot and knock out Philly, who is actually a good team
It’s okay though. I’m love being the underdog. Courtesy of Jeremy Affeldt’s twitter: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” – Mahatma Gandhi"
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
don't start
It’s been nice not having interweb slap-fights with other boards during the postseason, so I hope those posters stay there and our local hotheads stay here.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
No I won't be going over there to post any hate or replies.
I just wanted to see how happy there were at being in the World Series for the first time. Instead I found a lot of “Giants? We got this.”
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
I'M GONNA GO FUCK THOSE NERDS UP
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YEAH
MY PIXELS CAN BEAT UP YOUR PIXELS!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
About the same we're getting here
In terms of cockiness, we’re even amirite?
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Oct 25, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
People here are predicting Giants in 5? I don’t actually give a crap what some jackass in Texas is writing on a Rangers blog, but that seems incorrect to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Let them talk shit. It’s part of the postseason. The matchups are a lot more even than those blog denizens want to realize. If they can’t think critically, fuck ‘em. I’ll be even more glad to take the World Series from them after they run their mouths.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I was terrified of the Phillies and it worked out for us
So I’m deathly afraid of the Rangers.Do I need to go back into the hospital to ensure victory?
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Everybody needs to do their part....
Just kidding, stay out of the hospital.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
/begins researching how to induce a coma
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Listening to Bruce Bochy usually does it for me.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Murph and Mac confirmed. Chris Rose did call Bow Tie, “William Newton”. what a tard.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
it would be somewhat forgivable if he were announcing
but seriously, how much did he have to do? five minutes before the game, kick it over to Buck and McCarver, then five minutes after. And you couldn’t learn the names of the people to whom you might have to present a trophy? That’s pretty terrible.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Chris Rose is an abomination. The entire FOX team is so awful.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
All this sloppering over Lee?
Hasn’t anyone been paying attention this post season? It will as usual come down to the bullpens, so we win in six.
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 25, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions
I’ve been paying attention this offseason, and it comes down to what I thought it would. Does that liner go right to Aubrey Huff, or over his head? Does that ball bounce out of Victorino’s glove, or stay in? In 7 games, weird shit happens in baseball, and it comes down to whether that stuff is in your favor or not.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
roll 3d6 for series result
Torture averted!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I… fondle the castle guard? That doesn’t sound right.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You stumbled into a matriarchal world
That, or that Amazonian planet in Futurama.
/roll 5d20 for snu-snu
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A matriarchal world.
They call it “Planet Earth”.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It did 6 damage, though.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
First rate Debbie Downer right here:
http://www.torontosun.com/sports/baseball/2010/10/25/15818176.html
With the Giants expected to start a pair of left-handers in games 3 and 4 in Texas, it’s imperative for them to win the first two, and that makes Game 1 the most important matchup in the series. Since Lee, or the team he’s pitched for, has never lost a postseason contest, the odds are definitely in the Rangers’ favor, which means it’s doubtful the Giants will win their first World Series in San Francisco.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Wait, what?
How does the starting of 2 left-handers in games 3 & 4 translate into the necessity of a home sweep of the first 2 games?
Here's how he sees the series
Game 1- Rangers (Lee)
Game 2 – Giants
Game 3 – Rangers (Sanchez fail)
Game 4 – Rangers (Bumgarner fail)
Game 5 – Rangers (Lee)
They could be Giants...but not really.
Or I guess just...
Game 1 – Rangers (Lee)
Game 2 – Rangers
Game 3 – Rangers (Sanchez fail)
Game 4 – Rangers (Bumgarner fail)
They could be Giants...but not really.
Ummm Ok...
" Sanchez failed miserably in both starts against Philadelphia "
3R 2Er in 6IP on the road is failing miserably?
San Francisco will be stunned at how well Texas swings the bats, even without the designated hitter in the first two games at AT&T Park.
Rangers scored 787 runs to the Phillies 772. Factor in the Rangers hade the DH for like 150 games, a more like park as well as only 1 AL West team finsihed over 500 shouldn’t there be more than a 15 run differnce?
NEXT!
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He failed, but not miserably
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 25, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess if one thought No No Sanchez was going to show up in Game 2. To me he was not sharp but he kept the team in the game. In that park and against that line up only 2 Er is nothing to sneeze at.
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Dan Dibley just mentioned MCC
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 25, 2010 9:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
WS prediction/expert analysis by me
Texas hitting v. Giants hitting: Texas has an advantage but it’s not that big of a difference…
Texas is a big power team and AT&T should negate some of that…Texas also will not have a DH for four games thus further cutting down on their offensive prower prowess…Texas also do not hit “power” pitchers (slash against .236/.320/.351) nearly as well as average p/f pitchers (.273/.336/.433) or “finesse” pitchers (.294/.347/.437). Giants have a lot more of the power type of pitching..
Texas does not walk a lot (below league average in walks) but do not strike out (3rd best K against in the AL)…they also lead the AL in sacrifice hits/flies…
Giants hitting…3 runs or less…and an occasional 4 run game…
Pitching: Giants should have the advantage but again not by that much…
Lee can take 2 games by himself and CJ Wilson/Lewis are pretty darn good (as shown above)…Cain will be Cain and Sanchez is the ultimate Jekyll and Hyde routine…
Texas bullpen is pretty impressive (.236/.316/.365 slash against, 3.38 ERA, 1.273 WHIP)…Oganda, O’Day, and Feliz’s stats are incredible (ERA+ of 335, 213, and 159, respectively)…Feliz has 40 saves with 3 BS…he was not good in the ALDS but seems to have righted himself against the Yankees.
Fielding: Big unknown…especially with Vlad playing the field
Giants should get the advantage here because of Vlad playing the field and DHing in Texas would allow Bochy to put either Nate or Ishi on the field while having Burrell or Huff as a the DH.
World Series Odds
Game 1:
Giants 45.4%
Rangers 54.6%
Series:
Giants 44.1%
Rangers 55.9%
Seems about right to me.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 9:33 AM PDT reply actions
weird
Giants get 4.5 points just for home field in game 1. Lee + Rangers no-DH offense +15% over Lincecum?
If those are betting lines – that’s an edge (not a huge one though) to bet on the Giants. It’s probably more like 50-50 or even 55-45 the other way.
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And Xeifrank’s simulator says about the same thing—he favors the Giants 55-45. Lee is excellent, but he’s probably a bit overrated coming off of highly visible dominant performances against the Rays and Yankees, which to me explains the difference.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
those are much less kooky than the Phillies odds
Even if I were a betting man I don’t think I would lay a bet.
We are not underdogs.
We are wonderdogs.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 25, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
All the predictions aside, it's the World Series.
Anything can happen so I just hope this will be a great series. And I should say I’m just content and happy the Giants got so far as nobody expected as much. But I’m greedy now. This lovable team has got me greedy and I want it all. So let’s go Giants!
Heard this on KNBR this morning. Baggs spoke with Uribe before the game and he called his own HR!
I asked Uribe one more question. Do you feel good about tonight?
"I’ll do something, you’ll see," he said.
I held out my palms, in Uribe’s signature "jazz hands" home run pose.
"Yeah, like that," he said. "POWW!"
Confidence… :)
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
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I like to think of it
as getting even for getting HBP earlier on. He looked extremely pissed during the Sanchez Incident as well, so I’m glad he chose this method of getting even.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
that HBP looked like retaliation of sort sort from Oswalt.
hmm, Uribe wins Game 4 off Oswalt then gets beaned next time? after both benches are warned and he isn’t tossed? sounds like bs to me
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's how UUUUUUU took it too
and I noticed the umpire jumping right out there even though he didn’t even look at the mound.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What Baggs forgot to mention is that
he says this same thing every time he is interviewed before a game.
I'll tell ya...
It’s a bit comforting knowing the futility of your offense. Anything over 2 runs in a game is just icing in the cake. The real issue to me is if the pitching staff can stay well enough to keep the team in the ballgame knowing the offense will only give you 2-3 runs.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Oct 25, 2010 9:45 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Harold Reynolds said Vlad will be fine because SF has a small RF
Harold is not the fastest skateboard on the block.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
/ needs pic of Reynolds standing ona 2 X4 laying on a cinder block.
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Jebus, those idiots have a job?
I thought everybody with half a brain knows how tricky RF here is.
I hope for some swirling wind.
/ remmber Dunn in RF for teh DBacks.
Gimpy wheels , tender back. Oh this could be fun.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
well, that's true
if you consider that it has an ENORMOUSLY HUGE VAST CENTER FIELD THAT EXTEND 2/3rds OF THE WAY INTO RIGHT.
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Cliff Lee scares the hell out of me.
Because unlike Halladay, Oswalt or Hamels, the Giants have never touched him.
In 3 Career starts against the Giants:
24 IP, 13 Hits allowed, 21Ks/4BBs, 5 Total runs given up (not earned) 3 of those runs came in his one start in 2005. The Giants line against him (SSS yes): .159/.193/.256 OPS .449.
The good news is that 6 of those 13 hits were XBH.
The Giants have not hit a home run against him in his last 2 starts against them, with the only long ball coming in 2005.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats.cgi?full=1¶ms=oppon|SFG|leecl02|pitch|AB|
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Format fail
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Not sure what to make of this...
Lee just does not walk anyone…which I think is why the Yankees failed so badly against him…they are a very patient team who tries to outwait the pitcher…doesn’t work for Lee. Lee also can throw a lot of pitches so a team can’t really wear him down…
Lee also does not give up homers (0.5 per game)…so also bad for the Yankees…
He has also not been as good away as he has been at home (tOPS of 112 away v. 86 at home)…but that did not stop him from dominating the Rays on the road…
Lee is very very impressive (probably the best the Giants have seen).
Fun with SSS stats:
Lee’s tOPS is lowest (23) at an 0-2 count (as expected) but is second lowest (82) at an 1-0 count…which is half of his tOPS for an 0-1 count (177)…clearly…Giants should swing at the first pitch no matter what…
That would make some very short inning don't you think?
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Oct 25, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Like it will matter with Lee...
tOPS at first pitch: 97
tOPS at 1-0 count: 82
tOPS at 0-1 count: 177
It’s science
Lee is a great pitcher, period
I fully expect him to throw balls exactly as far from the strike zone as he can and still get the Giants to swing. Rowand will swing at three sliders while still in the on-deck circle and Lee will record the first-ever double strikeout. Sandoval will swing at the catcher’s return throw to Lee after a called strike. He will homer into the cove. The homer will count for the Rangers.
And that’s just in the third inning.
Lineups in the 3 games against Lee
2005:
Ellison CF
Vizquel SS
Niekro 1B
Alou RF
Durham 2B
Alfonzo 3B
Feliz LF
Matheny C
Rueter P
completely irrelevant
2008:
Winn RF
Castillo 3B
Rowand CF
Molina C
Aurilia DH
Horwitz LF
Denker 2B
Bowker 1B
Vizquel SS
almost completely irrelevant
2009:
Winn RF
Velez LF
Sandoval 3B
Molina C
Garko 1B
Rowand CF
Renteria SS
Uribe 2B
Sadowski P
some relevance but VSSS
Who the fuck is Horwitz?
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exactly how many of the Giants batting in those 3 games
are playing in the World Series? How many for the Giants?
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Oh, god. They are making an American Top Gear.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
Probably exercised…some cardio…a little free weights…
Seriously,
Iron Chef doesn’t work in the US because Americans do not have the same crazy obsession with their food as the Japanese…
As exercised as an 80’s exercise video!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it is going to be terrible.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I was getting worried for a bit...
…that we wouldn’t be the underdogs in this series. Thank god for ESPN though.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
Da truth
If it’s the Giants’ fate to be shut down by a pitcher at the top of his game, fine. So be it. It would beat losing to Ramon Ortiz and the husk of Kevin Appier.
This is a big sticking point with me. If we do lose this series, I can only hope we lose it gracefully.
If we’re gonna lose, let it be because someone respectable like Josh Hamilton muscled up and put one into the water, not because some douchenozzle scrub with stupid facial hair hit a glorified fly ball that barely cleared a 4-foot high wall.
If we’re gonna lose, say, a game 7, let it be because we were crushed by an elite pitcher playing at his peak instead of some wet behind the ears rookie.
If we’re gonna lose, let it be to a team without any annoying, lame, and/or overhyped gimmicks like Thundersticks and Rally Monkeys.*
If we’re gonna lose, let it happen even though our marquee starters still perform well, not because our guy who “doesn’t lose in October” gets totally destroyed.
If we’re gonna lose, let it happen even though our manager doesn’t embarrass himself and have Shinjo DH.
If we’re gonna lose, fuck the Dodgers. (natch)
*wait, do the Rangers have any annoying gimmicks I don’t know about?
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 25, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
i just dont like “if we’re gonna lose” before it even starts, but points well-made
by NeifiPerezz on Oct 25, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as you know the claw and antlers are NOT mocking you
Unless you happen to be a fan of the Yankees and/or Andy Sonnastine
by AfterSchoolSpecial on Oct 25, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
They have that douchey moose horns thing. Me and my buddies used to use that in bars to point out the, ahem, larger females.
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by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
How is that douchey? Just because the other team’s fans do it, am i right?
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
NO, because professional baseball players shouldn't be mocking fat chicks
At least not publicly
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Just thinking about that first Lopez vs. Hamilton match-up…oh boy…
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Oct 25, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions
Josh Hamilton
Scares me infinitely more than Ryan Howard or Chase Utley.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 25, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep
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Also, I am fighting off the urge to make so many dark jokes about how to deal with Hamilton this series.
but they are all in very poor taste.
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Whoa. Chase Utley scares me a lot. Jayson Werth did, too.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Invisible horse
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HOMEMADE NATTO
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Looks like a vegetarian sushi place.
“Vegetarian sushi place” almost makes me want to throw up.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
it's actually Minako
Mission @17ths. It’s an Organic sushi place… but not vegan (although they do have a vegan menu).
It’s really quite excellent, although the rice takes some getting used to.
How good was it? Even the DAIKON was tasty. I’ve never eaten japanese food and actually polished off the Daikon “garnish” before. The fish was really good.
But not cheap ($50/person for a full dinner+sm. saki). Service is slow, and there was a line Sunday after ~8.
One of the best things about the dinner was that I DIDN’T HAVE TO CANCEL MY DATE WITH MY WIFE AGAIN BECAUSE THE FUCKIN’ GIANTS WON THE PENNANT the night before.
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If you had Daikon, you likely had sashimi (raw fish)
Typically, ginger is served with sushi (rice with stuff on top, mostly fish)
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
yes, I know
I always have sashimi, I was using the vernacular for “raw fish”.
Actually, If I had one complaint it was that the saba roll had too much rice.
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Seth Everett on the ESPN Baseball Today podcast is beyond stupid
He is yelling about Uribe “raising his hands” on the game winning homer because there was no way Uribe could know that was a homerun.
All it takes is to watch 5 Giants games to realize Uribe does that when he hits a deep flyball. Ignorance is bliss I guess Seth. LOL Expert.
With the Giants in the World Series…there was going to be plenty of these “experts” talking about how much they know the Giants team.
If you want to be ticked off, check out Rob Neyers and his BS column on espn.
Kurkijian:
The Giants are bad at defense.
Science!
If all you saw of the Giants was the playoffs that would sound pretty damn reasonable.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN....
Will always find a away to keep Yankee Baseball relevant in a postseason in which they’ve been eliminated in. Their big Cliff Lee news is even related to the Yankees trying to acquire him.
Just listened to the podcast
Someone should let that football guy know that San Francisco and DFW aren’t quite small markets.
Unforgettable Facebook posts that got me pumped (Confident) about Giants in the posteseason....
Giants Fan: ITS SCALPING TIME
Braves Fan: It’s time for the Giants to see what a real ROY looks like.
Padres Fan:GO BRAVES!
Dodgers Fan: Who’s playing?
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Writeup I'm hoping to see:
“Cliff Lee. Except no.”
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
I'm hoping to see
Double
No
Homerun
Yes
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I don’t understand the purpose of using stats that isolate pitching from defense (FIP) when trying to predict the outcome of a series. It’s not like the Giants and Rangers are going to lose their defenses and be forced to use a generic average one. Yes, if you just want to compare the actual ability of the Giants and Rangers starters, then you can say they’re essentially equal, but then you can’t just go without mentioning the defensive advantage the Giants have. According to UZR/150, we have a significant 8.5 to 1.9 advantage, so yes, I do expect our pitching to be better this series.
Yep, and having the DH will improve our defense, as we will be able to remove either Sandoval or Burrell, while losing the DH will only hurt Texas’, as they’ll be forced to use Vlad.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind seeing Ishi for Huff and let Huff be a DH…a really good defensive 1B can make your IF look good (see J.T. Snow)
From an offensive standpoint, I think Fontenot is our best bench player, but I don’t see a scenario where we could also help our defense by playing him.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know, maybe it’s just due to short-term memory, but I’ve been getting scared every time Sandoval has been forced to charge the ball and make a throw on the run.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
There are not that many “routine” plays on the left side of the infield.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Panda is the DH
Burrell HATED being DH in Tampa. A friend of Pat’s confirmed he was miserable in that role. He constantly retreated to the clubhouse between at-bats, sucking down coffee. He didn’t know what to do with himself, and it affected his performance.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Do we think that Burrell is going to be similarly distressed by the DH role in a 3 game series as compared to a 153 game AL season?
There’s a strong possibility he’ll want to be more involved than ever. Bear in mind he’s a former quarterback of a very high-profile private school football team. He likes the spotlight, even if fielding isn’t his strong suit.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Sure, he’ll want to be involved. I wouldn’t want to sit during half the game, either. But the question is better phrased: will his batting performance be damaged because he is mentally unprepared to handle not fielding for three games? Is that damage greater than the extra worth he provides from the post-double-switch AB or two, plus the defensive upgrade?
I think there’s a psychological risk. I could distract him and/or change his personality, and possibly have a negative effect on the team. I supposed that’s why I studied psychology… Maybe I’m blowing this up, but I’d rather not take that risk. He’s a very visible part of this team, and he’s had some HUGE hits.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
This is where a good mgr comes in: Bochy should talk with Pat and tell him we need his bat to win. At the same time, there’s a chance to improve our outfield defense by DHing him (in some games)…and then see where the conversation takes you.
Ultimately it’s the mgrs decision, but if you can get everybody to do what you want them to do without having to tell them what to do, you’re doing good.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
I’m sure a game or 2 is no issue for him. He’d probably enjoy actually getting an at bat after the 6th inning for once.
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by NuschlerFace on Oct 25, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Apart from that, though, Burrell is the obvious choice. He’s the one guy they pull for a defensive replacement almost every game. So I hope Burrell can suck it up (not the coffee) and keep focused for 3 games.
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by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Think "control freak"
From what I know about Burrell, that may be an accurate description. He may be downright distraught if they don’t keep him involved. But hey, I acknowledge he’s a defensive liability.
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"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
I don't see this...
I haven’t seen many plays that would make me think that Pat the Bat is anymore of a defensive liability than Nate is an offensive liability.
I’ve seen Pat fall down ONCE all year (I think it was against LA). I’ve seen Nate swing at backfoot sliders for, oh, three or four years now.
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by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not how many you drop, it’s how many you let drop that’s more important as an outfielder.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can't remember any dropping around Pat that someone else might have caught
Remember, my memory includes a muscular bald left fielder, Kevin Mitchell, and Jeffrey Leonard.
Does anyone have Pat’s Range factor numbers vs. Cody/Velez in left field?
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by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Banned
You are not allowed to say “Velez” for the next two weeks.
Adopted Son: !Matt Downs I'll miss you my son.
And what about in a list of players not on the 25-man roster?
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Didn't you just say he-who-must-not-be-named?
“I just said that meal was good enough for Jehovah!”
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I dunno what I want to do here, as our bench is pretty weak. I am open to suggestions.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Provided that Sandoval plays 3B, I’d rather have Burrell as the DH. It basically comes down to whether you’d rather play Schierholtz or Renteria. The difference between Schierholtz’s defense and Burrell’s defense is greater than the difference between Sandoval + Uribe and Uribe + Renteria and Nate’s and Rent’s bats are pretty similar.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate’s seven career postseason AB’s are not helping him out here. I don’t think Nate will be much more than an average hitter, but throwing him out there to face very good relievers once every other game will not help his confidence. I wish him well.
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I really don’t like the thought of giving Nate regular PA’s in the World Series, especially given the lack of PT he’s had all season long.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as we hate Guillen
If he was still alive, I think he’d be the best DH option.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
I’d throw Pablo up there – against lefties AND righties.
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Sandoval DH
Uribe 3B
Renteria SS
The options for DH basically come down to Pablo (with Rent playing field) or Rowand in CF (with Burrell at DH) or Guillen (with same config as now). I think Pablo’s the biggest threat.
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I would want something like this
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Ross RF
Sandoval 3B
Guillen DH
Uribe SS
It’s a moot point, but I think Guillen is a better hitter than Renteria and Pablo is not as bad at defense as everyone claims.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross / Torres / Scheirholtz is a ridiculous OF defense.
Can Churros out hit Renteria? Maybe. Enough to offset Pat the Fielder’s delicate psyche? Dunno.
I gotta trust Bochy to work this out.
But on the plus side:
Shawon Dunston will NOT be in the lineup! And neither will Shinjo.
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It’s a weird feeling, but I actually trust Bochy to push the right buttons here.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
+1
I’d do this too, especially considering we will be facing either 2 or 3 lefties in Texas, depending on if Hunter or Holland gets thrown for Game 4.
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we’re more likely to see Rowand start in the OF than Nate, if Burrell is the DH.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure
I think Torres is the CF as long as he’s healthy and if they were going to play Rowand in LF or RF he would have done it by now.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
On MLB network...Chris Young said something interesting about Giants pitching
in that they really know how to pitch to AT&T park…a batter thinks that they got good swings against the Giants pitchers only to see the ball dies in mid-air and end up in the glove of an OF…
I thought a bit of air went out of the Phillies
when Ryan Howard mashed a sure homer in game 3, right into Rowand’s (?) glove.
And they play here once a year, at least. So, irrational hope that irrationality strikes the Rangers’ sluggers.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
This a guy that plays in Petco talking. I think I’ll take my salt now.
For my money i would say the staff is really good at messing witht eh hitters time slightly ..but just enough.
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I sit corrected on the first line.
Threat level that the 2010 Pads finish with more wins than the 2010 Giants is currently at: 61%
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by daveinexile on Oct 25, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s essentially correct, especially to lefties. Use the high heat to go for the K. If someone catches up with one, hope that one of the fast guys in RF or CF is there waiting for it.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
The defensive advantage is negligible...
The Rangers were first in MLB in Park-Adjusted Defensive Efficiency.
What is park adjusted defensive efficiency? How does that include having Vlad play RF at AT&T?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a stat that describes how well a team’s defense performed in turning balls in play into outs, with an adjustment for the park factor.
You’re right that Vlad did not play much in the field during the season and that is unaccounted for by that stat.
Just making the point that as a whole, they are one of best defensive teams in baseball…
Can you link to a proof that demonstrates the validity of this statistic with a sufficient amount of data that would make one trust it over a much more known-quantity (UZR/150)?
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
There are no proofs in baseball.
If you want the logic, this is a substantially simpler stat that does not rely on the noisy signal that is batted ball location. With a large enough sample, and here a season is large enough (for UZR, since you’re down to the individual fielder level, a single season is too small — you really need ~3), this should be a good measure of team defense.
I didn’t mean I wanted some mathematical induction, maybe “proof” rather than “a proof.” I’ve never even heard of this stat and don’t see any listing of it (presumably Fangraphs would list UZR over this statistic for a reason), so of course I’m not going to automatically trust it’s validity.
So you don’t consider UZR valid, even over an entire team’s numbers (for one season)?
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
And really, “turning balls in play into outs”? Not exactly the most compelling description I’ve heard.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
what exactly do you think UZR measures?
It attempts to measure each fielder’s success in.. turning balls in play into outs.
That’s my point. It’s like saying a hitting stat measures an ability of a hitter to turn pitches into hits. Really? Thanks.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
see below
UZR uses very noisy data and takes 3 years to stabilize. Measuring at the team level while trusting a full-season sample to smooth out any distributional bias deals with that problem. Now, to the extent current lineups are different than those that had been in the field, maybe you should look at UZR/150 of expected starters. But looking at UZR/150 of the players you actually fielded strikes me as a less direct way of measuring realized team defense.
it's essentially just
park adjusted BABIP. I am not sure that throwing out the “noisy” PBP data is a good thing.
Note that SF was second in BPs’ PDE (and first in Defensive efficiency).
Rangers were significantly worse at preventing errors and turning DPs than the Giants. And worse by UZR range, but that could be a park factor. Rangers were also quite good at Range part of UZR (7th in MLB).
I think these teams are pretty evenly matched. Giants have a better bullpen. Rangers have Josh Hamilton. Bottom of the order favors Texas as well (a little). Actually, reminds me a lot of the Giants/Phillies match up.
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throwing away data is not a good thing
But given noisy PBP data that you know do not lead to stable UZRs in less than three seasons, an approach like this makes sense as a better way to estimate team defense.
Why would UZRs stabilize in less than 3 seasons? In both cases (DER/UZR) you are just looking at the results of balls in play. Why is DER better than TEAM UZR? The both have the same problem of not knowing how to account for difficulty. DER just punts and assumes all BIP are equally catchable.
Does DER for a team “stabilize in 3 seasons?” Why should it? It’s not even the same team!
Bbref has SF (team)
at +36 (Total Zone) and +54 (BIS – comparible to FG UZR), 1st and 2nd in the NL
Texas: -20 (TZ) and 0 (BIS).
I have no idea which of these are park adjusted (other than the BP DER, which claim to be).
I would say that it’s better to (for a team) park adjusted numbers than not. But I don’t think it’s valid to say that “DER makes more sense to evaluate team defense”.
We have 4 methods (I will not call them "independent) saying that SF is a top defensive team.
Of the 4, Texas ranks “Great”, “Good”,“Average”, “Terrible”. I don’t know how you can look at those and say “Texas is at no disadvantage vis-a-vis fielding”. They might very well be the equal of SF, but THOSE numbers certainly don’t argue it.
None of these methods take into account current starting lineups either.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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None of these methods take into account current starting lineups either.
This is a great point. At various times this year, we had Guillen, Rowand, Velez, and Huff in the outfield, Uribe at 2B, Fontentot at SS/3B, and Posey at 1B… and NONE of those configurations will see the field in the WS.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
..and, see above
I think the appropriate method is to estimate individual UZR based on trailing-three-year UZR for the starting lineups, adjust for health, cross your fingers, and call that your best guess.
Yes, that’s how I would do it. That said, it seems earlier in the conversation you’re confusing individual and team UZR. The problem with individual UZR is it takes 3+ seasons worth of sample size to start giving you a really meaningful number. With a team UZR, you’re getting one season of sample size….but from 7 different players! So it’s basically giving you the sample size equivalent of 7 years worth of individual UZR. I don’t see the problem.
The biggest problem I see (which is why I would do it the way you suggest, though I’d also add an aging curve in there) is that the team UZR isn’t specific to the lineup we’ll be playing.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
wait.. fg's team UZR is aggregated, I thought
Sure, your errors are likely to be iid-ish enough to help mitigate some of the SSS problems of individual UZR, but a rollup number still has stability issues. Where’s the method definition of the team UZR? I’m not finding it on their site now that I look.
I just assume they add everything up. Why would they do it any other way? And what are the “stability” issues?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You get a different (and better) number doing the whole exercise over again on a teamwide basis, treating the whole team as a single fielder and using a similar approach. With that approach I’d bet a half-season might be enough to get a stable metric. With a rollup approach, you’re going to have the same problems that individual UZRs have: luck matters way too much and a single season really isn’t enough.
So thinking about it, the only difference I can think of between the two approaches is the first way shouldn’t deal with individual positions, whereas the second way does? Other than that, wouldn’t they be the exact same approach?
With a rollup approach, you’re going to have the same problems that individual UZRs have: luck matters way too much and a single season really isn’t enough.
Right, but your sample size is essentially 7 times greater, since you’re doing it for infield and outfield, so the luck aspect should be much smaller.
by Missing Barry on Oct 27, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
UZR has them at 9th best in MLB this past season. Seems reasonable enough to me to say they’re above average. I’m not sure the defensive advantage is negligible. Depends on the lineups. Vlad really hurts em. I actually haven’t looked closely enough to say who has the advantage and how big it is. Any sort of team fielding metric is questionable because well, the playoff starting lineup isn’t the same lineup that played all season long.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm
With Bengie catching and Vlad in right, that’s 25% of the non-pitching defense that is below average.
I've heard a lot about the Rangers running wild on the Giants
and not too much about Onehop McFastballface’s “defense” behind the plate.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, we don’t have anyone that can take advantage of Molina’s lack of D. Torres, and that’s pretty much it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Very true
Hopefully he is still blocking balls with his glove rather than his body and allowing lots of “wild pitches”.
this
I don’t know how far it is to the backstop in Texas but hopefully far enough for the Franchezes of the world to take a base.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Even Torres isn’t a great base stealer.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
neither were most of the clowns
who clowned the Giants at the beginning of the year.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Valid point. It might make sense to look at them seperately, but you definitely have to look at both of them in some way.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
2010 31 TEX AL 4 6 .400 3.98
That is called a “losing record” with Rangers this year. Decent games in playoffs is a flash in the pan. He is due to implode.
Was Holliday anything particularly special after his no-hitter in the first round? No. Giants won once and could have easily clinched against him. Good, but nothing special.
Those losses indicate that Lee is indeed beatable. He is not however a “flash in the pan” or “due to implode”. He is an awesome pitcher.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course he is due to implode.
And chased out of the game after 5 E, 3 by Vlad, in the field get his pitch count up. Take it to the bank. ;)
Lee definitely a different pitcher in the postseason...
Even in the regular season, Lee seemed to pitch much better against good competition (worst games came against the Padres, Orioles, and the A’s)
Then take out August numbers for Lincecum.
And compare.
You can’t pick and chose. Lee knows how to lose. He will be reminded.
Am I the only one who thinks Matt Cain should start Game One?
When he’s ON, like he has been this postseason, he’s the RH equivalent of Cliff Lee, capable of going nine innings of 2-hit, 1-walk shutout ball. I’d say we’d have a better shot of Cain matching Lee pitch for pitch.
Save Lincecum for Game Two on normal rest to blow away CJ (Trevor) Wilson.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Totally agree
I’d even have Timmy go game 3 so he can pitch game 7.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Oct 25, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Getting all fancy now can really hurt you more than it could help.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s still normal rest. He threw those 16 pitches in the 8th inning Saturday night in place of his normal bullpen that he throws between starts. Same thing Roy Oswalt did.
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
yes but
he seems like he could maybe use an extra day of rest given that he hasn’t been truly dominant since the NLDS.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Oct 25, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I have equal confidence in Cain and Lincecum.
I have slightly less confidence in Sanchez, but there’s a 65% chance he could be every bit as good as Cain or Lincecum if he were to start in game 1 or 2. Basically the rotation is good enough and deep enough that I would have no problem with any one of the 4 in any order. They could all shut down the best bats in the league with similar probability IMO. Slightly less for Sanchez and Bum, but not enough to get me upset about it.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Oct 25, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you can go wrong either way
I’d happily watch either Cain or Lincecum in game one.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering the Rangers feast on fastball pitchers, Cain might have some trouble.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Feasting at ATT means a lot of F-8 AND F-9
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain in Game One
Look what he did to the Phillies on extended rest.
Sanchez in Game Two, simply because he’s less likely to implode in front of a friendly crowd.
Lincecum in Game Three, to somewhat counteract the home field advantage and to make him available for a Game Seven.
Mad Bum, the Road Warrior in Game Four.
And when all is said and done, these are the Giants in the post-season and something bad is due to happen.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 25, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Why talk about guys “when they’re on”? Why not talk about what we actually expect them to do – which is the average of all their performances?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
So I have to decide whether to shower first or to watch BSG: Razor first… decisions, decisions….
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
LOL at the HDDVD ad during the disc load.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh boy, is this whole thing going to be about this character I’ve never seen before?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Well now, this isn’t very good is it?
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Because when your entire episode is one big flashback, the best way to improve it is with frequent flashbacks.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, a first Cylon war flashback. They sure are pulling out all the flashback stops here.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh my god, enough already.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, those entire two hours just for one foreboding line about Starbuck? That wasn’t a waste of time at all.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, there had to be an easier way to cast doubt on Starbuck’s “destiny.” Spending the money and the time for a full two-hour production just for one five-second line reading seems like doing it the hard way.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If I have one complaint about this show, it has to be their dedication to filling in holes. I didn’t need long episodes detailing what happened during the year you skipped on New Caprica in flashback. It was your decision to skip that year, so you shouldn’t feel like you have to apologize for it by filling the holes. Similarly, I don’t need the Pegasus history. This is Battlestar Galactica.
Sometimes holes are better. You don’t have to spackle over every single one.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been waiting a season and a half to be really pissed by this show because of what other people have been saying, and so far I’ve only been sort of pissed a few times. These flashbacks are painful, though. And they make some really odd choices roughly at the end of every season. I disliked when they brought in Pegasus, but I liked the way they dealt with it afterward. I disliked when they skipped a year on New Caprica, but I generally liked the way they dealt with it afterward. Etc.
I’m hoping the non-Razor 4.0 and 4.5 follow that non-me-pissed pattern.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually season 4 gets pretty good.
Just remember to stop the last episode after the climax. I wish I could unwatch that “resolution.”
The Giants won the pennant.
fap fap fap fap fap
I’m still in celebration mode. I’ll worry about Cliff Lee when Cliff Lee is pitching.
The Giants are in the World Series. Cody Ross was the NLCS MVP. Try to out-weird that.
fap fap fap fap fap
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Any updates on Torres?
I thought he was the key in game 6…finally found his bat and saved a run on defense…
Vegas Insider's Take:
I don’t know what it is about the Giants I like, but I think it has to do with some similarities between them and the 1988 Dodgers when they won by having good pitching from the starters through the bullpen, timely hitting and a different star nightly. It’s small ball and team orientated with no one player being the focal point. Just like the ‘88 Dodgers, the Giants don’t have a big bopper, no one with 100 RBI’s on the season and have a stud starter. They had the bulldog, the Giants have the Freak. I’ll take the Giants in seven games.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Dodgers comparison!
I actually think of the Giants similar to the 1990 Reds….
A bunch of not so famous names on offense (Davis, Sabo, Larkin, Benzinger)…mid of the pack in NL in run production and second to last in walks…
A great pitching staff (2nd in the NL) lead by Rijo and Browning and a crazy bullpen…
Beat the heavily favored Pirates in the NLCS…up against the the offense ladened A’s team….
Not saying the Giants are going to win the WS but just like the comparison.
I hope this comparison holds for the rest of the season
My favorite one yet.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
no one with 100 RBI's?
MOLINA’D. They’re doomed.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't play small ball
We hit longballs, and hopefully enough to win.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Great line from The Big Lead
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/10/25/2010-world-series-to-feature-giants-and-rangers/
Philadelphia fans were great as usual. "A table of women at DelFrisco’s asked a server to put Ex-Lax in the food of Giants Pat Burrell, Brian Wilson and several of their teammates who sat in the main dining room Friday night." Classy ladies. At least their plan worked – the Giants shit all over the Phillies on Saturday.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
by 49er16 on Oct 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Basketball OT: Cannot imagine this
Iverson plans to sign deal to play in Turkey
Allen Iverson has agreed in principle to sign an incentive-laden, two-year, $4 million contract with Besiktas of the Turkish professional league, sources told Yahoo! Sports on Sunday night.
PRACTICE
We’re not talking about the games… we’re talkin’ about PRACTICE!
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Oct 25, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow...Passan manages to hammer both the Giants and Rangers in one article
Final word: Of course it’s a tie. These franchises screwed themselves and got shafted by the system. Yet after all this time, something good will come of it: One team will be able to erase the past, to start over, to spit at history. And, well, at least the other isn’t the Cubs.
This postseason has really made me hate Passan
his rip on Giants fans for cheering for bonds was completely and utterly uncalled for. What a fucking prick.
Wow, that's a lot of stupid...
…lubricated with contempt and packed into one article.
His choice for “annoying present-day trend” for the Giants is that fans applauded Barry Bonds when he came out to throw the first pitch. And his riff on “the claw” is even lamer.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG fans root for a great player who played on their team for a long time! I never expected that!
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t you get it though, Bonds used drugs! So Giants fans endorse drugs! Unlike the fans of every other team that recognize their great players.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s really angry about Bonds. Of course, saying that Bonds brought nothing to the Giants in that paragraph before saying the Giants rode Bonds to the World Series in 2002 is hard to understand.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
either Timmy packs a lot
or Guapo travels light…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy
you really should be carrying that suitcase with your left hand, save your pitching arm. Didn’t Randy Johnson teach you anything last year besides “you need to put a towel on” ?
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 25, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
just like the post-season!
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Oct 25, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I just read every single comment that was posted since I logged off last night.
Now I’m late for lunch. Thanks, MCC.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 25, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions
Nice! My lunch
Mesquite turkey, roast beef, muenster cheese on a big fat croissant. Sea salt & cracked pepper chips. Pickle. Dr. Pepper.
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
Late for lunch? It’s not even 12:30/
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
SLASH!
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I had class at 1 and I usually have to leave at 12:45 so I’m not late.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 25, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
OT and probably not true
But a girl that used to be a waitress at one of our restaurants now bartends in the city.
Supposedly she’s been sleeping with Pat the Bat and this is what her Facebook status was on Sat. night:
So Pat just texted Roy Halladay this “This is still my town Roy, have fun fishing”
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Oct 25, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions
I, for one, heartily endorse all Pat Burrell anecdotes, be they vulgar or otherwise. In fact, vulgar receives full marks for interest.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Zucchinis score well also.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 25, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, b/c Pat has Halladay’s number.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Fixed for Pat:
“So Pat just texted Roy Halladay this "This is still my townRoyHarry, have fun fishing"
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Aside from the obvious results...
Would we agree with Fitz’s assessment that the Rangers were the 4th best team going in to the AL postseason? For some reason I found a little comfort in that.
No...
Minnesota was the fourth worst team…followed by the Yankees due to their pitching problems…
Texas was the 2nd best behind the Rays but Lee knocked the Rays out…
Well
They were underdogs against both the Rays and Yankees which indicates that both of those teams were better than them. Probably a toss up with the Twins.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 25, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Because, in short, Bob Fitzgerald is an idiot.
"What’s that, Buster? You asked for a bicycle? Well, sorry. Santa brought butt floss instead."
Just got emails from mom and dad
Mom says I should buy my plane ticket for this weekend. Dad says he’s pricing tickets.
Omg omg omg.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
NEED MCCOVEN OPINION
Would you prefer nosebleeds behind home plate or left field bleacher seats?
- Dad
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
this
although I think atmo will be fine in the 300s. Also, I am available for adoption if you need an older, fatter brother. I have my own mom’s basement, so housing isn’t a requirement.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
BLEACHER!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 25, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That all depends on your priorities.
Bleachers Upper Reserve (infield)
——————— -——————————————
Rowdiness + (meh, ok)
Cold/Wind (Protected) (coldest)
Concessions + (big +
improvements:
Tres Agaves,
Orlando’s)
Comfort (meh, benches) +
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Mangled!!!
Dammit…
Bleachers: Rowdier, cold
Upper Deck Infield: Warmer, less boisterous
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
cold might not be much problem in the next couple days
wind-blown rain in your face, maybe.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea... i'd have to say bleachers dude, i had a blast while out there
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Caveat
I might be taking my lil 13-year-old sister, which is making me lean towards the 300 level rather than the rowdier bleachers.
Plus I do like having a seat with a back.
Thanks for the advice guys.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Non sequitur
Be. There. That is all.
"It’s the first time I’ve seen some absolute, unadulterated craziness out of that guy. I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did."--B. Wilson, re: Buster after Game 162
Really, I don't think it matters where you sit.
The stress is going to give you a nosebleed regardless.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
Depending upon the health / physical limitations of the people you are going with it might be easier to get out of the rain if you sit in the bleachers.
The Giants won’t be in SF during the weekend. Are you going the game in Texas? I wouldn’t want to be in an opposing team’s bleachers.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Flying home on Thursday morning
Going to the Thursday night game, then staying at home for the weekend.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Typical Neyer article...
keep looking for a reason to think the Giants are going to win, and I keep not finding one. Now, I understand that a lot of baseball fans (and pundits) in the Bay Area think there’s something special about these Giants; that the Giants have It (whatever It might be).
Hey, I think they’re special, too. And I’m a ginormous fan of It.
But I’m fairly sure there are a few Texans who will tell you exactly the same things about their team. The Rangers are special, too. Just loaded with It … also, with pitchers just as good as the Giants, and better hitters
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Typical in what way?
It’s a fairly typical Neyer article in that he bases all of his opinions on objective facts and numbers, yes.
Stop being so uptight about this stuff guys. I promise you, none of these people are psychics, and almost none of them harbor some deep-seated bias against the Giants.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He continuously tries to undermines the Giants’ team and their accomplishment by saying stuff like “they didn’t really outplay the Phillies,” and using idiotic support beyond it. Most fans will find this frustrating and accredit to some type of bias, or bitterness that he was incorrect in his prediction.
Then he posts completely false statements like “The Rangers won more games than the Giants, in the better league” and implies Andres Torres isn’t a “legitimate weapon.” I’m not sure if it was him, but I think he also said we didn’t have a good defense.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He also thinks Sanchez starting game two over Cain was a bad move, and implies that Sanchez’s career ERA was relevant in determining this, completely ignoring the fact that Cain is a right-handed flyball pitcher and Sanchez is a left-handed strikeout pitcher against a relatively lefty-heavy line-up.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, considering that was the entire logic behind the move. And it was a sound move.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
it was a defendable move, but hardly above reproach. Sanchez gives up almost exactly as many flyballs as Cain does, with many, many more walks. The Phillies also do not show any particular platoon split. So we were asking a less talented pitcher to win two games on the road, based on some rather tenuous ideas about his profile.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
So we were asking a less talented pitcher to win two games on the road
What I’ve seen suggests that the order you pitch your guys in, assuming they start the same number of games, makes no difference in your chances to win the series. The one factor here that could make a difference is how they fit the respective ballparks.
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see the reason to get mad. His points are reasonable and generally backed up by sound evidence. His editors ask him to make a prediction. He’s going to be wrong fairly often, and he knows it. So what?
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Where was I mad about him for making an incorrect prediction?
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you misunderstood the line about biterness, “he” refers to Neyer. I don’t mind fans are bitter about his prediction.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Try that again
I think you misunderstood the line about biterness; "he" refers to Neyer. I didn’t mean fans are bitter about his prediction.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
this is ridiculous
stop being over-dramatic about people picking a team other than the GIants. Its not a vast conspiracy – its genuinely what they believe, with the information they have. The whole “EAST COAST BIAS” schtick gets old when applied to people like Neyer and Law, who actually try and do some analysis behind their predictions (this isn’t Buster Olney).
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
More failure to read
Absolutely nothing to do with him picking the Rangers/Phillies to win.
It’s not that difficult.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And just because they’re not Buster Olney doesn’t excuse incorrect, and poor, analysis. 99% of people here give better analysis than Buster Olney, yet look how many arguments there are.
by kingofthacove on Oct 25, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Still
He should know a lot better than to say that he doesn’t see any reason the Giants can win this series. It’s a short series. A lot of different things can happen. To say that there’s no way the Giants can win is just bizarre and he should know a hell of a lot better.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
When did he say there’s no way the Giants can win? He definitely understands it’s a short series and anything can happen.
by Missing Barry on Oct 27, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah...LSB likes this article...
It’s funny cuz it’s the same thing but replace Phillies with the Rangers…
I just can't get past him saying..
Colby Lewis, CJ Wilson, and Tommy Hunter are as good as Cain, Sanchez, and MadBum
He never said anything about Hunter being as good as Madbum. He did have some doubts about a rookie being able to keep up with his endurance during the postseason.
This is actually all very misguided. Neyer has actually been on our bandwagon for a lot of the season. He doesn’t think we stack up talentwise to a lot of the playoff teams, that’s it. There’s no insult to it.
Hell, I still think that Philly was a better team than us, but you don’t get a trophy for just being better.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
The Giants won the pennant.
What if I came here for the news, Grant? Don’t do this to me.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
God I love the lack of respect the Giants are getting
I also love the fact that people really think Cliff Lee is clear-cut better pitcher than Lincecum.
Cliff Lee is the “It pitcher” right now because of his success in last year/this year’s playoffs and the ex-philly player angle. When you compare the two over their careers I think it’s pretty obvious Lincecum has been the better and more consistent pitcher.
If things had turned out different and Sabathia had pitched a CG shutout at some point during the playoffs and we were facing the Yankees, every writer would be favoring CC over Lincecum and pointing to the harder league and how Sabathia has the edge. The facts are, no matter who we face they are going to dig up an angle about how this player is the greatest current player, blablablabla.
Cliff Lee is 6 years older than Lincecum and didn’t really get his career on track until 2008. Right now he is pitching lights out. Other than August 2010, Lincecum doesn’t have any rough patches in his career.
Maybe in these next two starts Lee dominates and Lincecum sucks and people will continue talking about how Lee is the most dominate pitcher in baseball.
But better pitcher in the long run? I don’t see it.
10 years from now, I don’t think people will be saying, “Boy that Lincecum has had an impressive career, I mean he is no Cliff Lee (aged 29-34), but he’s been pretty good.”
Cliff Lee is a lot better than Sabathia
He’s been this good since 2008. There’s no reason to doubt his current abilities.
I agree he is very good and better than Sabathia.
This doesn’t take away from the fact that Lincecum has been one of the most dominating pitchers ever and is just as good as Lee currently is.
I don’t care if we are facing TB with David Price, NY with Sabathia, or the fuckin’ WAS with a healthy Strasburg. The media is going to play up the angle that the opposing team has a starter just as good if not better than Lincecum.
Just seems a little ridiculous when you are talking about a two-time repeating Cy Young winner.
Yup, he does have better statistics this year
But that is including a horrible stretch of the season where Tim’s mechanics were out of whack.
It’s not like he goes up and has a bad start every couple times he pitches. I’d be interested to see what Lincecum’s stat line would have looked like if you replaced his August starts with his normal career numbers.
But that is including a horrible stretch of the season whereTim’s mechanics wereLee’s back was out of whack.
It’s not like he goes up and has a bad start every couple times he pitches. I’d be interested to see whatLincecum’sLee’s stat line would have looked like if you replaced his August starts with his normal career numbers.
…
by Missing Barry on Oct 25, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Belt hurt?
how come he hasn’t appeared since an 0 for 1 three days ago?
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=l119&t=p_pbp&pid=474832
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Were Philly fans that bad at the game? The philly fans i talked to here at school
and to be honest, they were pissed but they didn’t do shit to me at all.
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
"Do" shit?
Were you expecting to be shoved into a locker or something?
"Fuck yeah, shut up." - Tim Lincecum
or talk shit, i was expecting a little bit more fire out of the dude, but yea, nothin happened, and we aint got lockers in college, bro
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
What can they say?
THEY LOST.
They should just STFU and wait til next year.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
what can they say? i bet they can come up with something dumb
i mean, who knows, they’ll bring something up about the niners or something just flatout dumb
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Niners suck. WE KNOW THAT.
And it’s not like the Iggles have won any Super Bowls anyway…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
obviously dude
the niners blow, so what do you think i tell em, haha, i just laugh and say whatever
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Look like rain:
KRON 4 Meteorologist Mark Danon is tracking a series of very strong storms which could impact the schedules for games one and two of the Fall Class on Wednesday and Thursday.
“It looks like by Wednesday evening, the first game of the World Series, that storm to the west starts to approach,” Mark says. “5:00 will be first pitch of game one, we should have some showers in the North Bay and it looks like they may stay in the North Bay. So we look alright with a chance of showers for Wednesday night. For Thursday, here comes the storm moving in with very heavy rain expected throughout the day on Thursday. At 5:00 for first pitch of game two of the World Series, we could see very heavy rain along the Bay. So there’s a possibility of a rainout for game two of the World Series.”
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
ignorant question follows
Do they just start pushing games back? Or add them at the end, or what?
At least both teams have baseball-only stadiums.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
But it might not be until Saturday...
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
That would be fine
I’ll be home from Thursday – Sunday morning, so if they just pushed it back it’d be perfect.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’m pretty sure it won’t rain out on Wednesday. I’ve packed the ponchos, umbrellas, waterproofed the baseball caps and dug out the rain gear we use when hiking. Since I took the sunscreen out of the bag to have room for the umbrellas I’m pretty sure it will be 109º and the poles will somehow magically flip so that the sun will be out until 9 or 10 pm that night.
Man....
I was gunna join next season after reading all year but this just looks like too much fun. I couldn’t help it. Where do I send my resume?
No resume needed:
Just answer some basic questions:
1. Zito?
2. Guillen?
3. Sabean?
4. Is Buster Posey a deity?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
1. and 2.
That day when Zito let up 20 runs in the first 2 innings and Guillen dropped that fly ball that I’ve seen a 5 year old catch pretty much sums it up…No
3. He’s slowly winning my heart. Yes
4. Buster Posey is a Saint and a diety put together with a Predator lazer on his sholder.
People will disagree with this..
I think a fastball to Josh Hamiltion’s ribs would be a wise move.
Before people go crazy. Let me defend this.
1. Not rooting for a serious injury. Just something that could make Hamilton sore and/or less effective. And potentially back off the plate
2. It’s the World Series and I would sacrifice 7 labradoodle puppies for a title.
That is all.
Meh.
Just win, baby.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
THIS
Philly had no problem throwing high and tight to throw Babe Ross off.
Again. Not rooting for serious or any injury. Just a bruise to a painful area that will make Hamilton think.
Nah
With our luck and pitchers it would probably just hit the umpire and piss him off and tighten up the strike zone even more.
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 25, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
nah
Hitting opposing players is dumb. Putting Hamilton on for free under the odd impression that it’ll hamper his approach in subsequent plate appearances strikes me as misguided.
Now, throwing high and tight for either taken strikes, weak popups or swingthroughs, that I am all about. Backing people off the plate, even, doesn’t bother me if you’re vintage Pedro. He made sure hitters knew he was going to throw high and tight whenever he wanted to, and that often as not, it would be a strike. Made his changeup that much more unhittable. But even vintage Pedro never hit guys on purpose.
It would be effective if Aubrey has a couple of drinks in the dugout
and breathes in Hamilton’s face when he gets to first.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
I liked it better
when we were going for the “good taste and restraint” option.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
No
They have hit enough batters on accident that they can’t afford this, even if it were a good idea. Marty McSorley isn’t on the roster.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If we can't beat them straight up
I’m not sure I want to beat them. I mean, I do, but still.
My Son
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Pitch him inside, sure, even with the risk of hitting him. Do it intentionally, no, I don’t think so.
I’d sacrifice 7 labradoodle puppies just for being labradoodle puppies. Does that make me a bad person?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but you’re our bad person.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 25, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aww…
/hug
//steals wallet
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 25, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not in favor
of any strategy that involves Giants’ pitchers throwing fewer strikes.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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Hamiltons ribs are already in bad shape, remember. not sure what side, but if its the side facing the pitcher that’s already messed up, sure, hit him…
just remember to not complain when posey gets hit back
by giant4life83 on Oct 25, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I passed by a group of children this afternoon. They saw my Giants shirt and yelled GO GIANTS at me. This has restored my faith in the youth of America.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006. Bringing you all your California League and New York-Penn League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Oct 25, 2010 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
That's AWESOME, finally starting to see more giants fans out here in Oxford
it’s been a while, Brian Wilson jerseys too
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I was walking my dog down a busy streen and an SUV flies by with 3 girls screaming out
the top of their lungs “LINCECUM!!!”… ( I was wearing my Timmy Jersey shirt).
Shift-A
Wow, so this place blew up eh?
There’s so many new fanposts/fanshots/comments… I really don’t have time to go through them all! I’m sorry, and I’m sure it’s been covered somewhere and I didn’t see anything from Baggs or on SFGate either … …soooo what’s the word on Torres?
The most I’ve seen is that hopes to be ready to start Game 1.
In 2010, teammates Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell perfected the art of brotational hitting.
by howtheyscored on Oct 25, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I read this as
is that HERPES to be ready to start Game 1.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
a "hip flexor"
that is supposedly fine, merely a flesh wound, etc.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"Oh no, he wanted me to do that. It was intentional." - Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Oct 25, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Via BAGGS
To those wondering: There is a ZERO percent chance Jose Guillen returns to DH in the World Series. Sabean told me he’s out of their plans.
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
i mean, people were asking? really?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
so
you’re saying there’s a chance? No wait… am I doing this wrong?
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Thank fucking God
What a worthless, selfish, asshole
Don't be mean to Baggs
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Speaking of bags… wth Madison’s suitcase? http://www.mercurynews.com/giants/ci_16425032?source=rss&nclick_check=1 (photo 8 of 10)
The visit to Lonestar Ball
was interesting…some good fan but some really “interesting” ones..
Lineup is good, SP is better than the Giants, and so is the bullpen…Texas in 5 or 6…
At least I won’t be disappointed…
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