Post-game thread: Giants torture us more, lose again
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 2, 2010 4:11 PM PDT
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PrintMan, isn't baseball fun? Wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!
There is something the Giants have going for them, though. The players on the field haven't been Giants fans for as long as we have. They weren't around for 1998, 2002, 2004, or 2003. They aren't expecting bad things. We are. They don't care. They're too ignorant. And hooray for that.
There is still one game left in San Francisco. The pitcher the Giants are counting on has an ERA close to 3.00 and 200 strikeouts on the season. The Giants are still a good team. All they have to do is win a game.
And if they don't win tomorrow, there will be a one-game playoff in San Diego. And if the Braves can't rally to beat the Phillies -- they're down four as of this writing -- the Giants can lose that one-game playoff and then travel to Atlanta for a one-game playoff there. Th...
...wait, did the Phillies really just send Brian Bocock to the plate with the bases loaded? Charlie Manuel is a sadistic, twisted ghoul of a man. Whoa. He struck out. Weird. Go Phillies.
...ere seems to be no way the Giants can screw up that badly, that often to where they miss the playoffs entirely. Seems to be no way. But, oh, there are ways. There are ways.
Barry Zito could have been somebody. He could have been a contender. He could have had people remember him for something more than being a disappointment who hurts the Giants' chances to win when he plays, and hurts those chances when he doesn't just by virtue of his contract. He could have. He didn't. If the Giants collapse, it's hard to see how he can come back. Other than the $50M+ he's still due, of course. Awful. Maybe in two years we can trade him for another contract debacle. Keep your fingers crossed.
In an alternate reality, Jose Guillen hit a three-run home run, and the Giants clinched the West. I would have eaten my crow with a little feta cheese, braised in a wine sauce. It would have been delicious. In this cold, stark reality, Jose Guillen hit into a double play with the tying run on first base. Of course he did. He's not good.
Shake it off, Giants. Win a game. Win one more game.
Hey, the Braves are down five now. I feel like I'm rooting for the Giants to win a playoff spot on a walk-off subpoena.
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So . . .
. . . why did Bochy walk Gonzalez? The only LHB in the line-up, and he gets a free pass. Maybe if pitched to he hits a three-run bomb; but maybe if pitched to, he makes an out the way he has been doing a lot lately. This is not hindsight: we exclaimed, loudly, at the time.
Why does Bochy let Zito go out to hit in the bottom of the third? OK, 2 out, bases empty: so? It’s a chance. Meanwhile, Zito is obviously done, yet he comes out to start the 4th. What, he was going to suddenly recover his control?
Why Guillen with FSanchez able to hit? There’s only 1 out, only a fool calculates on hitting a HR there, why not go with the guy with the significantly higher OBP (.335 vs .289)?
The G’s hit a pitcher at the top of his game, and maybe they can’t win this one no matter what. But it would have been nice to play the game with a manager working with, instead of against, their chances.
Meanwhile, though, the Giants still need to just win one of two games; that gives them a roughly 75% chance of winning the Division.
Sabean delenda est! Et Bochy!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I'm surprised you didn't go with lmgtfy.com there.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
When you put it that way, WOW.
Question: what is the right play percentage-wise…send Ford (steal 2nd) or hold him?
I had mixed emotions.
“Percentages” are guidelines that have to be mentally (and instantly) tweaked to allow for the particular men on the field. I’m not a fan of small-ball tactics. But if Bochy had gone with FSanchez instead of Guillen, I’d have said “do not run”—why run yourself out of the potential tying run? It was, as I said above, madness—especially with only one out—to operate on the “get a dinger” theory: it was manifest that at least two safeties were going to be needed.
Sabean delenda est! Et Bochy!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Yeah, that was my feeling. I didn’t think risking losing the tying run on base was a good proposition. But Guillen at the plate made it seem a little bit more worth it, and as I weighed that in my mind, he GIDP’d.
I was fine with letting him bat…after Ford stole 2nd. Fuck you Guillen.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Guillen is awful
Hopefully that AB was his last ever in a Giants uniform. Dude is beyond terrible.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
If you don’t think your lefty pitcher can’t get out a lefty hitter, that pitcher shouldn’t be anywhere near a pitcher’s mound for an important game.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 2, 2010 4:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If thing A happens, thing B is a virtual guarantee. Sanchez has valuable “bullpen experience” and Zito has the kind of playoff experience that Bumgarner can only dream of. He beat Johan Santana that one time. Remember?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I panicked last night. After the game I was in denial, believing that tomorrow was a new game, today was just an apparition. Then I got mad because fuck San Diego. This morning I tried bargaining with the baseball gods for a win. Now I’m just depressed.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Swear to God, if one person tries to defend the Guillen pickup to me after today I’m going to start stabbing people.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
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"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
/hands her the knife
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
/takes it and prepares for the first person who thinks it’s a good idea to tell me to calm down
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Calm down
When you stab someone, make sure you do it carefully and leave no evidence behind.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
No, I’m going for jury nullification. I want this to be completely messy (TWSS)
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
When you stab someone, make sure you do it carefully and leave no evidence behind. make it as bloody and frenzied as possible, flay them, and hang their skin on a stake in front of your home.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
Already one step ahead of you. And don’t think you’re off the hook, Dr. You did use the words “calm down” in response to me.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, to fix that
Pound a Red Bull and go raging in San Diego.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I was actually supposed to be in SD this weekend, surrounded by Padres fans. I got super sick and decided to stay home so I wouldn’t gloat/be a jerk. LOL ME!!!
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m trying to be the better person.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The irony is
You were just talking about stabbing people. Killer with a conscience!
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I don’t have to make sense. I’m a complicated person and the Giants have driven me to the edge.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Every game the Giants play
Drives you one step closer to the edge
And you’re about to break
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
No Linkin Park, please.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
/flagged
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Guillen just told you to calm down.
You might not have heart it, but trust me, it happened.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I didn’t. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have to step out now . . .
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The Guillen pickup is terrible. No speed. No power. An undersized bed. We really should have gotten the F150.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
/likes this post.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Although I really don’t know anything about trucks. The F150 is good?
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t matter. It’s better than Guillen.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
True.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked mine… mainly for hauling home improvement related materials. It was comically gigantic and a gas guzzler to boot though, so I got rid of it.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
speechless
What owlcroft said.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
Giants could be in the playoffs by the time the game starts tomorrow.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Yup.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
How would the champagne celebration work? Ugh. What a fucking clusterfuck. I don’t know if we should root for Phillies or Braves tomorrow.
If they back into a playoff spot and celebrate
I will be pissed.
Either win the division, or take the fact you got in through the second chance saloon with some dignity and pack up your bags and go home. No celebrations needed – YOU didn’t do anything.
162 game season
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
If the Giants are in the playoffs at the start of the game
I believe they will immediately relax and end up beating the Padres allowing them to celebrate the NL West Division title.
The Padres will then have to play Atlanta for the wildcard spot.
I could get behind this. I bet they don’t even have the score up in the clubhouse though.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
But they’d have to be blind to miss the out of town scoreboard in right.
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons.
The Phillies will White Flag it. Foghorn has already said he doesn’t want to face the Giants starters. Philadelphia will tank Sunday.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
It’s hard to tank in a stat-based game where players really want a big contract.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Well Charlie Manuel is a hard worker.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Not if you put a bunch of September call-ups in the line-up.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Bocock will set you free.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Still probably wouldn't be worse than a 40% chance
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Yeah, I don’t mean they’ll throw it entirely. I just mean they’ll do as little as possible, short of throwing it, to win.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Against that Braves lineup, I like Hamels’ chances.
Of course, against the Padres’ lineup, I liked Cain’s chances.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
Pretty much. I know they won’t lose on purpose, but they also won’t put anyone important in the lineup either.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt a strawhat like Foghorn will violate an unwritten rule like that.
If his lineup affects the Padres’ chances, he’ll at least make an effort to win.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
IAWTC
Manuel is old-school. The game has playoff implications and he will make an effort to win it.
The Braves have been choking it up for weeks. The only way they win tomorrow is if the Phillies don’t score.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 2, 2010 7:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who else is going tomorrow?
Wish us all luck please. Like, so much luck that the Giants can’t lose.
Jeaaaggaahh
Bueno suerte, caverone
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
The best of luck to you, good Sir.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going.
LOL, when I bought my ticket in March it was only because I wanted the Fan Appreciation Day giveaways.
They could be Giants...but not really.
My dad called me last week and asked if I wanted to go. At the time I thought it would be an important game, then when we went up 3 games I thought Fan Appreciation Day would be cool. Now, I’m just scared.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 2, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
this
last week I was a little mad I hadn’t got tickets for Friday instead.
I might still be mad of that. Let’s go Sanchy!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, if the Giants lose again tomorrow, and fail to reach the playoffs, they don’t deserve to go. I’ll be bitterly disappointed, but I won’t think of it as some sort of cosmic injustice. If you can’t win one of three games at home the last weekend of the season, you just don’t deserve it.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Honestly, losing the last two games in the way we have, we don’t really deserve to go. It certainly doesn’t make me look forward to what we will do if we get there.
if the Dodgers win the World Series, I will set myself on fire
Things can change in a day
Look at how poorly the Padres were playing before making their trip to AT&T.
Anything can happen in the playoffs…I want the Giants young players to get some playoff experience even if they don’t go very far.
I won’t think of it as cosmic injustice, but I’ll be pretty fucking irate.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Yeah
Oooh, leaving a little room at the top for “cosmic injustice” are you? How grounded.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Watching Heath Bell dance around and chest bump the entire 40 man roster
made me want to break everything in my house
I am listening to the post-game show and did anyone else hear Jon Miller say that Uribe hit the double play ball instead of Guillen??? What the fuck?
Yeah I was listening and reflexively yelled “Guillen! Do not besmirch that beautiful man!”
by Rorsavelt on Oct 2, 2010 4:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
OH. MY. GOD.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This cannot stand!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You and Prussian Creole. Steel. Cage. With weapons.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
i wont kill a fellow giants fan.
i go to school in san diego around loser padres fans. id rather it be one of them
Agree. Just thought it would be fun.
Random Padres fans it is, then!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)
Job 1:14-15
Agreed. I don’t want to kill you because you feel my pain. There are so, so many others though he should probably stay away from me, though.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not likely
But, man, missing the playoffs this year would be just like the Giants. It’d be par for the course. It’s the Giants modus operandi. It’s standard operating procedure here.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
It's way more likely than anyone cares to admit
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a term for that:
The Giants Way®
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wow, Guillen
I was the only fan here that didn’t hate you. Notice the use of the past tense.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 2, 2010 4:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Welcome, rxmeister!
May I take your coat?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Guillen is just a broken part.
The guy to hate is the one who wants to play the game with a broken part. Guillen does not control the lineup.
Sabean delenda est! Et Bochy!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I actually don't know
Would that be Baer or Magowan?
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Originally, yes, but . . .
. . . it was William “Bowtie” Neukom who just re-upped them for a couple of years.
Sabean delenda est! Et Bochy!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
A well-put question.
Someone with, apparently, no real understanding of baseball. Perhaps the McCoven could set up a fund to buy him a copy of two or three books on baseball. I’d suggest Beyond Batting Average: Baseball statistics for the 21st century, by Lee Panas ($12.60) and The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, by Tom Tango et al ($14.93). Include a nice Amazon gift card observing that by reading these, he might come to see what a yutz Sabean is.
Sabean delenda est! Et Bochy!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Welcome
There is plenty of room on the hate wagon.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
Poetry. I really think he looks like some sort of dragon man from Star Trek. Well, he hits like one anyway.
by Rorsavelt on Oct 2, 2010 4:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
On behalf of all the Jose's in the world
We’re sorry about Guillen, and if we could we would disown him.
It Bochy who plays him, just like he played Molina; it's like Bochy's revenge for trading Bengie.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Zito and Guillen should been made to sit in the corner together
It would be hard to imagine Guillen seeing any more starts, but then again Bochy is the manager so you never know. I don’t want to see him on the playoff roster if the Giants back into it, but I’m certain he’ll be on it.
Zito should not see another start this year, he’s the 5th pitcher on this staff.
Atlanta will get swept
We will back into the playoffs after losing 4 in a row to the Pads.
It’s the most humiliating possibility, so that’s what is going to happen.
if the Dodgers win the World Series, I will set myself on fire
Wrong
One game playoff to determine division, even if both teams are in. This is according to the ESPN website.
if the Dodgers win the World Series, I will set myself on fire
ESPN has now changed the scenario
It now reads that SD would win on games.
They were fucking with my head.
if the Dodgers win the World Series, I will set myself on fire
I think this is incorrect.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Guh.
If that happens and then we get swept out of the NLDS, that would sooooo much worse than missing the playoffs.
We really, REALLY have to win tomorrow, I WANT THAT TITLE. :(
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons.
I am trying not to freak out but IF the Giants make the playoffs and Guillen is on the roster and Zito is in the rotation I will get a pitchfork.
by Rorsavelt on Oct 2, 2010 4:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
And Zito’s acoustic guitar album won’t get better than a 3.7 amirite?
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Music only got a 6.8
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Quick
Someone name a worse Giant than Guillen in the past 20 years or so.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Ledee may not have had a single hit for the Giants. He was 0-whatever
My big fellows, my Giants!
If you want to be in first place, say Bye, Bye Baby!
by Buster-Jangle on Oct 2, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand Benitez
But the dude never played for us when in contention. Plus JT Snow. Plus Buster Posey.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I was at the two-balks-and-a-blast game.
AND I was at the JT Snow game.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s the circle of life.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Zito is the winner. At least Guillen isn’t pulling in $126,000,000.
*could have
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If "or so" extends to 25 years . . .
. . . Johnnie LeMaster.
Ah, you know the drill.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I’m unsure how to react to this…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh, that I’m used to.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
No, no. You asked how to react to Johnnie LeMaster. I was answering.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
that's not lemaster
That’s oft-forgotten Jeff Boo, the Make-A-Wish participant, blind from birth, born with two hands of iron and feet of clay. Oh, memories.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL. I suspected you'd chime in upon seeing this pic.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Armando fucking Benitez.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Shinjo as a DH
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Castillo
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
No one mentioned Steve Finley?
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
These grapes taste a little funny
W-well, fine! I didn’t want to watch them win on stupid ol’ Fox anyway! Back to CSN tomorrow to hear Kruk and Kuip make a great call on the old familiar network, without being interrupted by the Phillies game. This sets up the best possible result!
Yeah
These last two games have been frustrating, but I’m not despairing about tomorrow just yet.
(And I’m only partially joking about the Fox thing. I’d love to watch them win it with K&K on the TV)
Giants lost today
So that Flem can get back in time to broadcast tomorrow’s win.
I wouldn’t put it past the Giants.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Strangely, enough - THIS!!!!
I kept thinking it would be cool for the Giants to come back…then I thought about how much it would suck to hear stuffy-voiced Mark Grace talk about it…
Home ballpark, home channel, home announcers.
Home.
Oh, and a hearty “fuck you” to Fox for cutting away from the Giants game to show a GODDAMM Braves meeting on the mound. Who’s the fucking director in the truck for this shit, Helen Keller?
Chances still excellent.
For the Giants to miss the playoffs, the Braves have to win tomorrow, the Giants have to lose tomorrow, the Giants have to lose again on Monday, and then again on Tuesday.
The Giants came into this series essentially needing one win out of four games. The way things have worked out, they’re still roughly in the same position. Just one out of four games have to go their way.
Han sez...
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
but flagged for using a d20 to play Star Wars, when you should be using a bunch of d6s.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
like I said
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's the version I had.
And it was pretty freakin’ righteous.
History
The game, based on WEG’s earlier Ghostbusters RPG, established much of the groundwork of what later became the Star Wars Expanded Universe, and their sourcebooks are still frequently cited by Star Wars fans as reference material. Lucasfilm considered their sourcebooks so authoritative that when Timothy Zahn was hired to write what became the Thrawn trilogy, he was sent a box of West End Games Star Wars books and directed to base his novel on the background material presented within.
But I figured someone had to’ve done a Star wars game that involved a d20. I didn’t mean to give big ups to WotC.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
fun fact
WotC gave up the license a couple months back, and there’s currently no RPG in print at all.
Maybe they’re planning something around the 3D releases in 2012 or whenever.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
UGHHHHHHHHH
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions
Don’t talk to me right now, Giants. Just don’t
On a more grave note, I’m not hating on Guillen right now. I think I’m just early to lift the anguish and shame and try to think clearly but who else would you have trotted out there? It was unfortunately in my mind that there could be a GIDP so I was hoping that the batter might be someone with a bit of speed to take off the DP but seriously, it had to be Guillen, no? (ducks)
Rowand
As bad as he is, he hit one out yesterday and he’s not Guillen. Also, I would have liked to see Ford go there.
Touche but I still don’t think it’s an easy call. Guillen is still more power…WHY AM I STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guillen's power is a mirage
Cause we sure as hell haven’t seen it. He damn well better not play tomorrow.
I do agree with this
A .430 slg from a corner OF is subpar
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
FSanchez.
It was stupid to dream dreams of one mighty clout ending the season against that pen. What was wanted, with only one out, was a couple of packs, and Freddy is a guy to supply one.
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I hear you. I just wish he had taken some more pitches...give the kid a chance...put pressure on Bell so that
maybe Bell makes a mistake and leaves the ball up so that Guillen could get a real fat pitch.
Doesn’t matter, Guillen grounded out on a ball that was pretty good to hit.
This.
He hacked at the first fucking pitch, didn’t give Ford a chance to run (didn’t give Burrell a curtain call either). Guillen does not give a shit about the team, only about himself, which is why he went up there swinging. YOU DONT GO UP HACKING WHEN A PR IS PUT IN. Especially with the way Bell has pitched the last 2 days.
And who is it . . .
. . . that is supposed to issue “take” signs?
Guillen is what he is. He has a cereer walks rate of a nearly unbelieveable 5%. To expect him, no matter the situation, to take pitches is like expecting fair dealing from an insurance company. You put him in there, you get hacks at anything that looks good, and some that doesn’t.
Solution? Simple. Put someone else in. Someone with an OBP that at least isn’t under .300—FSanchez (.335), maybe even Renteria (.332). But you knew all that.
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wow, i had no idea his walks rate was that low. 5% career?
Freddy was the clutch hitter we needed there. Not an unlikely HR from an unlikely Little Shit, but a big single or gapper from Franchez.
Not to mention after his baserunning gaffe last night, Freddy would have been extra motivated to get that hit, and I honestly think he would have
Mole
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Do you think they would have PH for Nate if there was no DP? I think so.
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh, what did I do? I want to fix it because my wife will make fun of me.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 2, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
You meant punishment instead of negative reinforcement
Negative reinforcement involves the reinforcement of a behavior (behavior increases) after the removal of something bad.
Giants baseball never removes bad.
Got it. That’s my wife’s line of work, so she would have made fun of me.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 2, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ve been very pessimistic recently. I don’t think that is what he means, though. Why not a serious post about how we are going to win tomorrow?
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
And I re-read my post. You have a funny definition of pessimism.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 2, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL n00b
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not want to see Zito pitch another inning
A pathetic “performance”. If there is a post season, he should not be on the roster. But he will be. Because I think it would upset the vets if he wasn’t. RElease him in the off season and eat the contract.
There's depression inside
Was yesterday really just yesterday?
They could be Giants...but not really.
LOL
I needed that laugh.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
You’ve got a notification!
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 2, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Oct 2, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Awesome. But you guys really need to check your FB notifications. I keep clicking on the red one’s hoping to make them go away.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I didn’t have to like this page to like this comment.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 2, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
sl
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm rec'ing all of these.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
rec/liked
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, it's nice to laugh after what's happened
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
It feels so good to laugh again!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 2, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
rec/liked
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
After the Sanchez prediction
it would be delicious to have him clinch tomorrow. After we win tomorrow we will realize that it has been worth the suffering to get the Pads’ hopes up to their highest point so that their despair is infinite. Infinite Despair. Gotta b a band.
by Rorsavelt on Oct 2, 2010 4:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Guess What
I don’t like Barry Zito or Jose Guillen.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
Anybody else...
Why Guillen in that situation? Because he “supposedly” hits for power? Why not send up ANYBODY else who has proven to be worth a FUCK? Actually, i would have taken anyone worth a quarter FUCK. Rowand? Sure! Velez? Sure! Bumgarner….MAYBE!
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
I probably would have sent Guillen up there. Rowand against Bell? Madness.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 2, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
BUT ROWAND HAS PROVE TO HIT GAME TYIN OR WINNNING HOME RUNS
REMEMBER AGAINST THE MARLINS AND METS? ITS SEEMS EVERYONE FORGOT ABOUT HIS MEMORABLE HOMERUNS
Actually
I wanted anyone else because at least Rowand would have struck out with Darren Ford running, or Velez would have a harder time GIDP. I just hate the miserable fuck Guillen so damn much.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on Oct 2, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds crazy, but I would have gone with Eugenio. His career line against righties is almost identical to Guillen’s, and he’s far less likely to hit into a double play.
Sorry: it is.
“His career line against righties is almost identical to Guillen’s” is not a recommendation. See the discussions upthread mentioning FSanchez and Renteria.
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You’re right, those guys are probably a teeny bit better. But it’s a very fine distinction — none of these guys are good hitters at all against RHPs. I would have avoided Guillen because he’s a GIDP machine, but they’re all still extremely close.
It is an indictment of the front office that at a time when every at-bat counts and rosters have 40 men, they don’t have a couple of extra decent left-handed bats on the bench.
Help me out here.
How are OBPs in the .330 – .335 range “extremely close” to one of .289? We only ask because we want to know.
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It's the HBPs.
His HBP total, in 135 PA, equals his walks total (5). I was looking at stats that don’t include the HBPs. He has 34 hits, 5 walks, and 5 HBP. Including the HBPs, as OBP technically does, his OBP is .326; counting only the hits and walks, it’s .289.
The .326 is technically correct, but the .289 is more indicative—he ain’t Ron Hunt. (Though it is interesting to note that his career average is 14 HBP/season, so he’s actually only a couple over.)
Anyway, sorry for the confusion—mea culpa. I still wouldn’t have batted him there.
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I thought not being able to see the game might soften the blow
Alas, it did not. Nor did my usual tack of dusting the living room while listening to Dave Brubeck.
I am a broken, bitter man.
But the living room furniture looks great.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
You could try dusting my living room, too.
But I doubt it would help either of us.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 2, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Woah
I’m currently like 2 minutes away from a street named after Dave Brubeck
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Awesome. We just have streets named for football coaches.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Isn’t it confusing where Bear Bryant Avenue crosses Bear Bryant Street?
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You’re not far off. Bryant Drive is a main east-west route from downtown over to the eastern sections of the city, and it intersects Wallace Wade Avenue near the stadium. Soon, three more streets that intersect Bryant will be named for other coaches.
At least I have baseball to take my mind off…oh, dear God.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
The bullpen has been AWESOME the past two games.
Which means, of course, being the Giants, that Dirty will probably pitch brilliantly tomorrow and Wilson will blow the save.
/reverse jinx
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Hey everyone! At least we’re not to Cubs!!!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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I don't like Zito or Guillen.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Even if win tomorrow
After the past two days, we’ll have the same feeling a child molester does after being the rap in court.
We’ll feel dirty, knowing it’s going to go on for a bit more, watching something horrible for a bit more. But in the end, we’re going away.
That’s my new Giants baseball slogan.
if the Dodgers win the World Series, I will set myself on fire
+1
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Sunday "mourning"
Got up super early for this game, then checked out the score I just pissed off. Think about it. You woke up 5:20 AM Sunday with Zito’s outing. Now I have to wake up 5:00 AM Monday again.
Giants the never sunset.
The giants are more pathetic than the braves
This is going to go down as one of the biggest choke jobs in sports history.
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THE PROPHET HAS SPOKEN
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
The Giants can't choke themselves fast enough.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
SO BAD I CAN TASTE IT
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Are you still very cross?
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I'm not putting the whole blame on Guillen
I’m putting all of it on both of them.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I still hate Zito as much as Guillen
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Well I gotta play jose everyday because he's been there and if he gets hot he can carry an entire team
bork bork
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Going out and forgetting about this one
For some reason though…I get the feeling that we will beat those fuckers tomorrow.
Until then.
Please win tomorrow
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I feel like this was meant to happen. I think that deep down, I expected it to go down to the final day. Maybe that’s why I’m not as angry as I should be.
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"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
OT: What happens when you put your foot in your mouth and shoot your mouth off?
You wind up shooting yourself in the foot.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:33 PM PDT reply actions
He’s tired. Never played this much. That’s the problem with rookies.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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No its the problem with catching 20 straight games
I understand how hard it was – but I felt Bochy needed to give him a game off versus Arizona. He’s caught a ton of games the last 2 months. You get 20 games or so a year with a catcher where his bat is dead.
It fits the pattern:
Bochy is managing scared, and so goes to no-fault managing: it’s easier to answer “Why did you play a tiring young man continuously?” than “Why didn’t you play your star player in this game?” The potential difficulty of post-game questions is now, and has been for a while, the key driver in all of Bochy’s decisions.
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It really does feel like Bud Black has managed rings around Bochy the past two games.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Black was one of the finalists for the Giants job, verdad?
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Would to God he had been hired here. Ah well, C'est la vie.
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This. And a little bit more...
I think that Bochy is also a reflection of Sabean’s “no-fault” GM’ing.
Scenario: You hire Felipe Alou after Dusty’s acrmonious departure because, hell, you can’t be blamed. Alou is a good “baseball man” from way back. heck, he even won a few games with a young Montreal club or something. Point is, nobody that I heard talked about what a maverick, potentially catastrophic move that was.
Welp, Alou “retires” or some crap and, rather than striking out and hiring a progressive, though-provoking manager, a move which may blow up in his face, Sabean hires Bruce Fucking Bochy, the poster boy for not actively screwing up.
Sabean’s player signings & managerial hirings stink of “playing not to lose”.
Or
Knowing that the identity of the Giants was/is going to revolve heavily around pitching for the foreseeable future, he went out and got a manager that handles pitchers well.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah
Whiteside isn’t a good hitter, and Huff is banged up too, so his defense in RF would be bad
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Whiteside is only marginally worse than Guillen right now
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
We may argue with a lot of his moves
but its pretty hard to argue with the overall success he has had. He’s good with the pitching staff and the players obviously respond to him. I don’t like his Earl Weaver style. But he really has no choice with this group.
Urrkk
That is the sound of my choking on that. Since this has been elaborated at exquisite length many a time, let us just say that you and I must agree to disagree.
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Just look up the circumstances of Vinny Castilla’s (and ultimately Bochy’s) departure from San Diego. Dude is a bumbling fool a lot of the time
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The idea that Bochy has made good moves.
Or that he has “no choice” with most of them. But, as I said, I—and I suspect many here—are tired of endless rehashes of this matter. I believe what I believe, for my reasons, and you believe what you believe, for your reasons.
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Wait, Earl Weaver?
When I think of Earl Weaver, I think of:
- “pitching, defense, and the three-run homer”
- disdain for small ball
- rigorous platooning
- fiery temper
- winning
Which part of that has Bochy borrowed?
none
it is a completely inapt comparison.
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You don’t think this team plays for the three-run homer?
I wish it was still June for me, too.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
no, no they don't
if they did that, they would take pitches, get walks, get on base.
then BAM.
I’m not sure I get why this is a disdained way to play. It’s only the best way to run an offense since, like, ever.
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Just so.
Earl Weaver: 17 years, 2541 G, 1480 W, 1060 L, .583 %, 2.3 avg finish, 4 Pennants & 1 World Series.
Gene Mauch: 26 years, 3942 G, 1902 W, 2037 L, .483 %, 4.7 avg finish, no post-season awards
Since Weaver embodied big-inning ball and Mauch embodied small ball, the thoughtful may arrive at certain conclusions. Yes, Weaver had the teams he had, and Mauch had the teams he had; but really, folks, 26 years?
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
There's a difference between playing for the three-run homer and occasionaly stumbling into one.
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps praying for the three-run homer would sum things up with greater accuracy.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
What?
don’t like his Earl Weaver style.
Bochy is the anti-Weaver. Bochy wouldn’t recognize Weaver if Weaver spit in his face.
What part of “gritty, gamer, hot hand, slow-footed singles hitting, plodding defense, 0 and 1 tool players” did Weaver ever bring to the Orioles?
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy should be worrying about where his next lay is coming from, not his fucking tomatoes.
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awesome
I think KNBR finally took that snippet down, sadly.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how anyone can nap while such an important game is being played. I wouldn’t have been able to sleep even if I took a bottle of Ambien.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 2, 2010 7:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was so upset after the Bobby Jones loss in 2000, I slept for something like 15 hours. I crashed out- not intoxicated, I might add- immediately after the game and didn’t awake until the following afternoon. I was profoundly confused when I finally came to.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
dude is sick
and wisely resting up for in-person horror show today.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions
FUCK jose guilen
The only thing good that came out of this game is any sane manager would NOT NOT NOT add guillen or Zito to the postseason roster.
WTF Guillen. You are a huge tremendous piece of shit. Die tonight.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:38 PM PDT reply actions
Who turns a fastball right down the middle in a hitters count into a GIDP?
Jose guillen.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Hate to break it to you
But both of them are definately on the roster if the Giants make it. Guillen is still the starting RF and I’d venture that Zito is the 4th starter if they go with one. If not, he will be out of the pen.
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Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
no way, after seeing Ross’ pinpoint throws, and Guillens lack of speed, can Bork in his right mind be thinking that Guillen is the better bet. Ross turns doubles into singles in RF. Guillen turns doubles into triples. Guillen may have the better arm, but it’s not accurate for shit. Ross probably has a higher BA, OBP, and SLG, individually. When was the last time Guillen did something productive? MIL series? Ross has hit 2-3 HRs, 3-4 doubles, higher OBP, throwing out runners, etc etc etc since that time, in half the ABs.
Sadly, I don’t even believe myself saying that we won’t see Guillen again :(
Guillen shouldn't be
But he just started last night. He has been starting 5 or 6 games a week. After watching this team my entire life, I don’t see them changing it now.
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Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
less interested in postseason rosterbation today than on Thursday...
but do teams just pick from whomever to place on the 25 man postseason? Don’t all the rules about refusing minor league assignments and such apply? Or is postseason like an extended DFA period?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Well I hope he channels some inner strength. I know he’s not to blame, but admit if he has a good game yesterday or today, either one greatly enhances the likelihood of us winning.
It's ridiculous how long the phillies make innings take
I would kill for the giants to have an approach like that.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
No
It’s a fucking embarrassment to get swept by the padres at home with a chance to clinch the division with one win.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Not only that it would mean
opening with the Phillies.
Gotta beat them sometime
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
I'll wake up to watch that on TBS so I can hear chip caray the moron
Some buck martinez for good measure.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I think I'd still be as stressed even if the Braves lost tomorrow
Giants need to win the NL West
If it helps the Giants players relax
And win tomorrow, fine. But I do not want them to back into the Wild Card.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I think it will relax them if they know they are already in
and they’ll beat the Padres to take the West and get to truly celebrate something.
IAWTC
especially with Sanchez starting, at least that will take some pressure off him.
/Win the inning
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///Willism is Realism
by Scooter Ellis on Oct 2, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, I know a Braves loss is good, but I want a damn Giants win. Part of me wants the Braves to win, so the Giants can actually clinch the West. But then, playoffs are playoffs…
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Should say no
But, dude.
If the Braves win, we are IN THE FUCKING PLAYOFFS. FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2003.
HAVE YOU GUYS FORGOT 1993?! FUCK THE BRAVES. I WANT THEM TO LOSE THE SHIT OUT OF THAT GAME.
I was 4 in 1993, so I have forgotten
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 2, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I agree with you on that, if for slightly different reasons.
Giants and Dodgers both lost the West to the Braves by a single game in the early ’90s. ’91 and ’93 respectively.
I think this needs to be the year the bill for Atlanta’s witchcraft comes doubly due.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Oct 2, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t kill me but does anyone else feel EXTREMELY ANXIOUS about tomorrow only because the pitching matchup is Sanchez/Mr. Hyde vs. the guy whom it would only make sense to cram it down our throats? Couldn’t it have been freakin’ Wade LeBlanc?!!!
You don't even have to talk about this
It’s the bengie molina in the room.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
It would also make sense
For Sanchez to cram it down the Padres throats. I have to be honest, there’s probably no one I want pitching more tomorrow (up there with Lincecum of course), but I’m a huge Sanchez supporter.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
It seems like Sanchez is really into it too
Like the predicted sweep (which was stupid but w/e) and then rubbing their logo off the mound. He doesnt seem to like SD much
I think Sanchez comes through tomorrow.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 2, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just worried about the walks
Cause SD plays small ball better than anyone.
I was worried about that, too. Sanchez has struggled with walks and the Padres will take a lot of pitches. It reminds me of that Sunday night gem Sanchez threw against the Dodgers. So many first pitch strikes looking and he got into a great rhythm. I hope to see a repeat of that.
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Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d be more worried if it were Wade LeBlanc
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IAWTC
Another horrible pitcher the giants make look like a god.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I’m worried about this match-up as well. It’s all going to depend on which Dirty shows up and which Latos shows up. But I don’t see it going well.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Famous last words
I trust Sanchez.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 2, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it so fucking hard to allow your fan base to enjoy themselves?
Jesus fucking christ they must have a deal with beverages and more.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Help me out here
Is it healthier to stand on the balcony and scream like a dying raccoon, or choke down all the rage and pain until I lose all sensation?
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
Also, I kept my promise and did not watch the game
This is all post-game inchoate rage.
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Scream, baby, scream.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 2, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone else cursing the fact that The Arcade Fire is playing at the Greek tomorrow night and they’ve got tickets? You’ve gotta be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swap you some Giants playoff tickets.
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I have a drawer full of refunded playoff tickets
and that’s not an exaggeration
I always buy every playoff ticket available, because I believe doing so negates the inherent jinx in buying playoff tickets for a team that hasn’t clinched. If it’s completely indiscriminate, it means I’m not expecting anything!
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I feel like the we are Charlie Brown and Jose Guillen is Lucy. You think that maybe she won’t pull the football away, even though every time she’s pulled the football away. And we still run to kick the football and the closer we get the more we think that we’ll actually kick the ball, and then right as we went pulled our leg back to kick, Lucy pulls the football away and we go flying away and our clothes were knocked off adding insult to injury.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
*went and
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I was all ready
to take back every bad thing I’d ever said about Jose Guillen. I was prepared to mea the biggest culpa you ever did see.
BUT NOOOOO. Remember Jose “Rally Killer” Castillo? Castillo is hereby absolved of all his rally killing and that name now belongs forevermore to Jose “Rally Killer” Guillen.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Latos has not pitched well down the stretch
So maybe that is something to hold onto
The padres bullpen has not pitched well against the giants the last 2 nights
And still ended up being pretty much perfect.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
But this is a BIG game
And you know he’s gonna bring his best
That or the giants will swing at pitches out of the strike zone all day and roll over and let him go 7 scoreless with 80 pitches.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
There is no approach
It’s a collective group of idiots thinking “I can’t get behind in the count I gotta jump on the first thing near the plate or I might get cheated”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Well...that's not true.
He can be pretty good at his best. Too bad he’s a coward.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
Which absolutely, positively . . .
. . . mandated walking him in an otherwise all-RHB lineup.
For anyone not a Giants fan, watching Giants games must be a source of immense, never-ending fun: what will the big-headed yo-yo fuck up this time? He is so creative at finding ways.
Sabean delenda est!
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One other piece of information – Ludwick’s OPS against lefties is actually 100 points lower for his career against lefties – he has a reverse platoon split.
FWIW.
Probably not a lot.
It is nearly consensus that every player has a platoon split, and that given enough play time, all those eplits will much resemble one another—it’s sort of a law of nature. Oddities like reverse splits are usually considered artifacts of SSS.
Sabean delenda est!
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Just so.
Even guys not being formally “platooned” are often given time off when there’s a platoon disadvantage. PAs against same-hand pitching tend to be relatively low numbers for all but major “everyday” players (and sometimes not even them).
Sabean delenda est!
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Look out, Todd Helton! Randy Johnson is pitching today!
Hide!
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that it is possible for some hitters to have virtually no splits, providing that they are right-handed. I haven’t seen any studies on the topic, but it seems to me like it’s not that uncommon for elite RHH’s to simply hit really well, regardless of the handedness of the pitcher. I think it’s worth pointing out, for example, that both Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols – who are the first two who spring to my mind when I think “great right-handed hitters of the past 20 years” – haven’t shown real platoon splits over their careers (or, rather, no split in A-Rod’s case, and a very mild one in Pujols’s case), in fairly large sample sizes – 2,500 LHP PA’s for Rodriguez, 1,800 for Pujols.
Of course, I’m probably reversing cause and effect here – it’s not necessarily that Pujols is so good that he isn’t hurt by facing right-handers – it’s more likely that one of the reasons he’s so good is that he isn’t hurt by facing right-handers.
I’m not claiming that this is the right way to look at this – I could have just as easily named Manny Ramirez and Frank Thomas, both of whom have noticeable platoon splits – but I do think it is worth looking into.
I saw the best fans of my generation destroyed by madness...
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Ok ATL Lost, let me see if I have this straight...
SF Wins, ATL wins… SF wins Division, ATL wins WC, SD goes home.
SF Wins, ATL loses… SF wins Division, ATL & SD play in ATL for WC.
SF loses, ATL wins… SF plays SD in SD for Division, loser plays ATL in ATL for WC.
SF loses, ATL loses… SF wins WC, SD wins Division.
by haemaker on Oct 2, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Yes. EVERYBODY LOOK AT THIS AND STOP ASKING.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
In all four of those scenarios
Copious amounts of alcohol will be drunk by Giants fans.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
You should put A, B, C and D next to these and turn it into a poll.
They could be Giants...but not really.
I vote B.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 2, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
B would be the most preferential
Maybe it was the plan …. all along….
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I want San Diego to be eliminated tomorrow.
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"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 2, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still confident we will win tomorrow
Sanchez is the anti-Zero…I meant Zito…but tomato tomahto.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions
Also, it would really be fitting to have Latos get his ass mauled.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And to lose the game. Oh, did you mean that metaphorically?
by Rorsavelt on Oct 2, 2010 5:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, it would really be fitting to have Latos get his ass mauled.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
What makes me mad
Is that San Diego could make the playoffs instead of us. Their fan base doesnt deserve it at ALL. They cant sell out and when they do most of the fans are from the other team. Its pathetic
Who are you, Santa Claus?
You have a list of who deserves what, now?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I don’t think Guillen deserves a World Series shot after how he has acted throughout his career.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't deserve another contract
But brian sabean and billy beane will have a epic bidding war.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Right, because Atlanta is famous for supporting the Braves, right?
/fails to sell out NLDS game
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
/hawks playoff game with 10,000 in attendance
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
/Falcons games blacked out by Amnesty International
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
/thrashers home opener against the sharks with 5,000 in attendance
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
/Georgia Tech, UGA, Georgia State fail to draw… oh, wait, this is the South. They’re fine.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If San Diego makes the playoffs instead of us
Their TEAM deserves it, our TEAM does not deserve it. Everything else doesn’t mean much.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 2, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
True
stupid comment sorry. I’m just pissed like everyone else. Hopefully tomorrow this won’t even matter and the Giants will be in the playoffs
Bud Black has done an unreal job
In my book he’s the MOY easily. No team gets more out of what they have.
by lexluth7 on Oct 2, 2010 4:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Heh. And Sabean hired Bochy over the former Giants pitcher. But then, Buddy Black’s was actually a very good pitcher and not a hack back up catcher who spent more time learning the fine art of ass-kissing, than actually winning ball games.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A little levity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAH0fa3EYWk&feature=grec_index
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Gross.
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
I’m told that yes, the Giants would have a champagne celebration if they lose and still clinch the wild card tomorrow. #awkward
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
They should not
They should be boo’d off the field.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He got boo'd in the 3rd and 4th a little bit but it wasn't even close to what he deserved
Shocking to considering how great the crowd has been the last 2 days.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Really? I’d think a “walk home in shame” celebration would be more apropos.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
They should be sprayed by tar if that happens tomorrow fucking chokers.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I’ll throw British tea into the Bay for no apparent reason.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
/Grant picks up quill and begins to write the Declaration of Independence from Sabean and Bochy
They could be Giants...but not really.
“We hold these rubes to be self-evident, that these men should be laid atop an anthill and covered with Equal…”
I like the way this is going.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
by TheLetter2 on Oct 2, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for spectacular accuracy
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we all sober up a bit, please?
Does anyone really, in all honesty, think that Zito and Guillen failed because they wanted to fail, or even because they didn’t give a flying wahoo? Every man on the field, for both teams, is busting his gut for all he’s worth in games like this. Players who aren’t very good will—what a surprise!—often not play like good players. But it is not for bad attitude or lack of trying. Do you suppose that either Zito or Guillen is feeling particularly chipper right now? That they will be enjoying reading what is being written about them everywhere from newspapers to blogs?
They are parts of a certain size and shape. If they have been put in the wrong places in the puzzle, it is not their faults: it is, dead square, on Bruce Bochy (with guest-cameo credits to his GM and his coaches, or at least some of them).
Oh, yes, and a thought, too, to the fellow who brought and kept Bruce Bochy here:
Sabean delenda est!
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by owlcroft on Oct 2, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big game manager we had to get bochy
/1998 world series
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
thank you
I’m not sure if there is anything in baseball more annoying than the need to ascribe moralistic qualities to how a player performed in an athletic contest.
I’m sure that this impulse is as old as athletic contests themselves, but it doesn’t make it right.
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by DrStankus on Oct 2, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once again, from the last GDT:
The first result of Googling “Guillen sucks”:
Now, a year and a half into his three contract, not only do Royal fans think Guillen is nothing special and quite frankly sucks, but Guillen himself thinks the same. Here some feel good comments from the so-called Royals’ slugger:
"I hate making excuses," he said. "If I suck, then I suck. And I suck. That’s the way I’m playing. If you suck, you suck. You have to take responsibility in this game. Right now, that’s the way I feel.
"Yes, I suck."
Well there you have it. Wait, there’s more:
"I’m embarrassed by the money that I’m making," Guillen said, "and playing the way I’ve been playing. I’ll swear that on my kids’ (lives). I feel very embarrassed.
"Sometimes, I feel I should take money out of my own pocket and buy tickets for every fan. Because you know what? For a $12-million man, these are not the numbers you should be expecting. I admit it. I’m not playing to my potential."
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Do or do not, there is no try
WE know they don’t want to suck, but they are. They need to figure it out. That’s their job, they can only blame themselves.
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
I think Jose Guillen failed because he had no plan at the plate. I legitimately think his thought process was “If it’s close to the strike zone, I’m gonna swing.”
He could have tried to take a pitch or let Ford steal a base or not swing at the first thing he saw, but he didn’t. That’s Jose Guillen failing because he doesn’t even know how to try. That’s absolutely his fault, and absolutely something I can blame him for. If he’s not willing to learn not to do that, then yes, I put that on him.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 2, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And in other breaking news . . .
. . . the Atlantic Ocean is found to be rather damp.
As I said before, and doubtless will again, he is what he is. No one tries to be stupid. If he could figure out smarter ways to go about his business, he would have. “Willing” doesn’t enter into it. You can’t wish yourself smarter any more than you can wish yourself taller.
I understand that you want to be angry. So do I; indeed, I am. But I try mightily to channel my anger toward those deserving of it, which isn’t even Bruce Bochy, who is to managing as Jose Guillen is to hitting: just a character badly miscast for the production he’s appearing in. It is the people at the top, who are supposed—and who suppose themselves—to have the wit to guide the organization who are ultimately responsible. They do not—or should not—have the Dunning-Kruger Effect as an excuse.
Sabean delenda est!
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by owlcroft on Oct 2, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn’t you say the same thing about Bochy? I’m sure he wants to be a great manager. Like Guillen, he is what he is.
I believe that's exactly what he said.
But I could be wrong as reading comprehension isn’t my strong suit.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, I believe I just did.
“. . . Bruce Bochy, who is to managing as Jose Guillen is to hitting . . . .”
Rather, it’s . . .
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Why stop there?
Sabean can only be Sabean so blame Baer and Neukom. But of course, these two guys can only be who they are so we have to blame all 30 or so principal partners (including KNBR). All of these partners can only be who they are so we need to blame their parents I think for making them that way. We can take this all the way back to the Big Bang. That’s it…blame the Big Bang.
This is why I think this is a horse shit argument and I only wish Zito was booed 10 times louder today. If he is going to accept all the cheers and love from the fans when he does well, he can take the boos.
Because at some point . . .
. . . you reach a level where the people are supposed to be savvy about the business they’re in. There are several ways of phrasing that: Whose name is on the door? The buck stops here. Respondeat superior. Hire/fire authority. But you get the idea (or you should).
Neukom is the Managing Partner; his is the ultimate authority, and thus responsibility. Sabean is his hired chief expert, and must bear a large part of the responsibility as well. The rest are henchmen. Sorting out between Neukom and Sabean is complicated: Neukom is not necessarily supposed to be the expert; but he is supposed to know enough to decide when the expert is not fulfilling his responsibilities satisfactorily.
Thus,
Sabean delenda est! But only Neukom can make it so. . . .
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
. . . you reach a level where the people are supposed to be savvy about the business they’re in.
Like Jose Guillen, who apparently never took the time to go to his hitting coach and formulate a plan for the at bat.
Therefore, he did not do everything he could do.
Therefore, he deserves our scorn.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Try it again, slowly, from the beginning.
The level at which people are supposed to have meta-awareness is at the GM and owner level. It’s good—excellent—to have it all the way down, but they are the fount of policy and wisdom whence should spring that for the rest of the team. Ignorant owner : dumb GM : dumb manager : bad coaches : ignorant players.
Guillen’s plan was the same it always is: swing at the first attractive pitch. Often, it works, for him or anybody. Better batters, like, say, Burrell, follow the Ted Williams approach.
I think Meulens has done wonders with the material he was given to work with—look at the unusual increases in walks up and down the roster—but there are limits to what can be done with deeply ingrained habits. If the FO would sign more men who have heard the phrase “strike zone” outside a war movie, and don’t think that the only place to see four balls is a carnival sideshow, the batting instructor’s job would be an easier one.
Sabean delenda est!
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don’t think that the only place to see four balls is a carnival sideshow
there is a colorable argument that this is the funniest thing I’ve read all day.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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I do so wish that it were original.
I’d give credit, but I can’t remember.
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I don't think Bochy wants to be a great manager.
I think he just wants to make sure that nobody can say that he was a shitty manager.
chance that Guillen and Zito read blogs tonight
1 in a very large number
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But there are many, many years left.
And they will be hearing—and probably reading—about tonight for a fair share of those years.
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you underestimate their collective ability for future failure
if the Giants are this good next year, Zito might blow the last game of a postseason series or something. Have faith!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
In any occupation, you will be reprimanded for poor performance. In baseball, that is done through booing.
Zito, especially, has not prepared himself to live up to the investment the Giants have given him, so to say we shouldn’t be angry with him because he’s “trying” is a little ridiculous.
by kingofthacove on Oct 2, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And you know that how?
I mean the “has not prepared himself” part. What does he not do that you, as his deeply experienced personal trainer, would have had him doing? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Probably because I have two eyes and have witnessed his subpar performance the last four years.
And this isn’t AYSO. Even if Zito has given his best effort for the last four years, it does not absolve him from any blame. If I were to, for example, deliver a substandard product in my job, I would hear it from a) my boss, b) my client, and c) the audience that uses the product. It doesn’t really matter that I worked really, really hard.
by kingofthacove on Oct 2, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it does.
Unless they’re two-legged animals, you would be told about the poor quality of your performance, but you would not be excoriated as a vile lump of feces undeserving of the name human, and a lazy, uncaring slob besides. There is a difference between assigning blame and pouring out irrelevant, dehumanizing vituperation.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
That actually sounds very familiar.
And it seems like your issue was assigning blame to Zito in any form, rather than the method of doing it.
by kingofthacove on Oct 2, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The the seeming was in error.
Zito did not pitch well. He probably didn’t pitch as badly as the results make it seem, but he has been at best only an average or worse pitcher for half a decade. But, like a few dozen other guys, he went out and did the best job he was capable of doing on that particular day. It wasn’t good enough. That makes him a mediocre pitcher, not a terrible human being.
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What?
That’s stupid you dont celebrate losing even if you make the playoffs
This is wrong
I hope they change their minds about this.
Its a full season reward
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
then they deserve to get swept by PHI
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 2, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
They will
Just pathetic that the ownership can now shower praise on bochy and sabean after the year for the teams “remarkable success”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Why do you put "remarkable success" in quotes?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
the team was remarkably good… I didn’t think a team could ever “have anothers number” but I sure think SD has ours.
We were lucky as shit to win 3 of 4 in SD recently
I want to know why sfgiants420 thinks this team is either unremarkable or a failure.
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This is a remarkable team
But a offense constructed by a clueless moron being covered up by one of the greatest pitching staffs of all time is extremely disappointing. Not to mention the giants were in a perfect position to clinch the division with just one win and if they do not win tomorrow this season is not a remarkable success and it becomes and embarrassment and complete failure due to the pathetic showings against the padres.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
How lucky the Giants are for this team to have been assembled BY ACCIDENT!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Pretty lucky I'd say
Thank god for jose guillen falling into our arms and carrying the entire team sabork wuz rite!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yes, Sabean sure fucked up by remaking the lineup mid-season and not having literally every single roll of the dice pay off.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean did a fine job... mid season
then he went back to his old ways and picked up guillen becasue of his dingerz and ribeyez playing with the kansas city royals and guaranteed him a starting job with his managers approval.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
There is no black or white here.
Many things were done; some worked out, some didn’t. In each case, there was some luck and some design. No one gets anywhere by assuming that whatever the team’s final degree of success for the season, it is wholly the results of brilliance or of stupidity, as one may feel applies, because it isn’t. As I have made plain for a long time, I believe emphatically that the current front office, and much of the uniformed field management, is rather bad at what it does; but no genius is ever all right, nor any dolt ever all wrong.
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by owlcroft on Oct 2, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Disgusting
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Weren't the Twins or i forget which AL team it was
in a similar situation and they didnt celebrate after they lost
The padres celebrating a unreal collapse after their own
And the giants celebrating the 3 game sweep in Philadelphia where they pretend their a real offensive team.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He doesn't need cement shoes
He’s such useless dead weight he’d sink to the bottom of the bay quicker than he makes outs.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Oct 2, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I myself would just buy Jose Guillen a beer, thank him for trying as hard as he could, drink two more beers myself and lament my lot as a fan of a franchise with an incompetent FO
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TUG-OF-WAR!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
he hits it high, he hits it deep...
into the cove! A 3 run homer for David Eckstein! The Giants are going to the playoffs!!!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take
“things the Giants shouldn’t worry about for $500, Alex”.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL JOE GIRADI
Pitching phil hughes in relief.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
win tomorrow
and all of this will be forgotten
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 2, 2010 5:03 PM PDT reply actions
Lose tomorrow
And the attendance at AT&T next year will look like turner field.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
True
there’s so many casual fans and yuppies that they will always be able to get 25,000 a night even with the jose guillen extension.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
It’s clear that, among their other problems, the Giants are really pressing the past two days. They need to calm down and let the game come to them.
Party at Timmy’s house tonight!
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
About the need to calm down, that is.
We can’t make the party at Tim’s, I’m afraid.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 2, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
At least you have directions to his house!
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I just kicked infants and stabbed puppies. Then I remembered I didn’t check in here to make sure we are in full panic mode…
we are right?
by projectmayhem713 on Oct 2, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions
No
We can lose 3 more games and talk about october baseball.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Well, I’m back. Glad I went out and did something with my day rather than… That’s saying a whole lot, that I risked missing seeing the celebration live, because I knew it wouldn’t happen when Zito walked the FUCKING PITCHER to lead off the 4th.
I also heard the Giants had a dope rally going in the 9th, and Guillen DP’d it?
If that is true, FUCK GUILLEN AND FUCK ZITO. Words cannot express my anger right now.
there are angrier words than FUCK?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 2, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i don’t know what the bigger failure is here. Zito, or Guillen. Guillen has cost us 2 games directly, and only won one directly, while Zito has been fucking terrible since early May. We basically have a Wellemeyer now that gets 18 fucking million.
so 4 years in the books, and he’s been good for the 2nd half of last year, and 2 months this year.
Splendid.
As noted elsethread . . .
. . . since coming to SF, he’s basically a league-average pitcher, with only minor seasonal variations. He needs to be used as a #5 starter, no matter his salary. And if a better than average starter emerges, either from within the organization or as a modestly priced free agent or trade chip, he’s gone; if they can’t move him for anything at all, then they need to cowboy up and pretend they once took an economics class—DFA him.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
he started whining this season when they wanted him to be the #3 starter, after Timmy and Cain.
Zito dude is not professional, and appeared to take his anger over being swapped with Cain to the mound with him today. You could see he was mad, and you’re never going to get anywhere when you’re already mad. He’s got an $18mil a year contract, and is a pussy, in every sense. A contact pitcher afraid to pitch to contact. He’s just a big, fat scardey-cat. That’s what I think of him
by giant4life83 on Oct 2, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I think pussy, in some specific senses only, is fast becoming one of my least favorite words.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Would that be the ones that imply that those with them are untermenschen?
i.e. the misogynist senses of the word?
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Yarg.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, now we know.
Our lives are appropriately enhanced by the knowledge.
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Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Can I ask where you got that info?
I mean the part where Zito was upset about being the third starter. Because, he was the second starter all year to break up the two right-handers, Lincecum and Cain. And I don’t remember hearing a single thing about Z being mad, irritated, insulted or anything else about being #2.
by mrs. owlcroft on Oct 3, 2010 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I vaguely remember at the beginning of the year Zito wanted to be “The #1 guy” blah blah blah it was in an article on the Giants website but the details are not clear for me and I’m too lazy to look it up.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
I don’t remember that at all.
If he said it, my guess is it was more as motivation for him to be the best pitcher he could be, as opposed to “How dare this two-time Cy Young winner be the ace of the staff?”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Here it is
Barry Zito used to be the main man on the Giants’ starting staff. Despite four years remaining on his seven-year, $126 million contract, he now may be in the No. 3 slot. And he doesn’t like the view.
“I wouldn’t say I’m fine with it, I’m not,” Zito told MLB.com this past week in a candid and wide-ranging interview. “I’m competitive by nature, and of course, I want to be the guy. It’s important. But the way I pitched in 2008, it didn’t deem me worthy of being the No. 1 starter going into last season. But no, I’m not happy being a No. 3 starter . . . I want to be a top-of-the-rotation guy again. I want to be out there on Opening Day, getting the win. It’s important to me.”
And here’s the article
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
so...
that sounds exactly like what groug said
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I don't see any problem with that
That’s not complaining. That’s just saying “I should pitch better. I want to be considered the #1, but I must deserve it.”
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
No I don’t either I was just posting the article so he could see it I was too lazy to find it but decided to look for it after all.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
So you saw Zito today and you managed to infer this-"Zito dude is not professional, and appeared to take his anger over being swapped with Cain to the mound with him today. You could see he was mad...."- from the look on his face?
That is an impressive feat that even Columbo would envy.
Isn’t it possible that he just had a game face on?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 3, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Urban said it on KNBR after the game that Zito was angry and he had some of that on the mound but I don’t know how true that is.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Nothing personal, but . . .
. . . this reads like something made up from thin air to justify hatred. Did you also happen to read somewhere—just where, you can no longer recall—that he molests wild turkeys? About the same level of credibility.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I wasn’t saying it in defense of anyone I was just mentioning that Urban had made mention of it on KNBR after the game but I don’t understand what you mean by “This reads like something made up from thin air to justify hatred” because I don’t see where you would have gotten that from my post. Not being defensive just wondering what you meant by it.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
OK.
Maybe we’re at cross-purposes, here. My target was not actually you, but the remarks by giant4life83 that started . . .
he started whining this season when they wanted him to be the #3 starter, after Timmy and Cain.It seemed that you were concurring in his interpretation, so I tagged the reply to your post. I now take it that you were not concurring in those remarks, just mentioning peripheral material, so I reckon that we were talking across one another.
Zito dude is not professional, and appeared to take his anger over being swapped with Cain to the mound with him today. . . .
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Got you ok yeah that’s pretty much what I was doing. I have no opinion on it, the past is the past whatever go out and win tomorrow and I’ll forget about this. But yes it seems we were talking across each other as I was in fact just posting the actual material not necissarily agreeing with anyone.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
jsut because I don’t remember where I read this- same as sanfrankid- doesn’t mean I never read it. IIRC, it was on the Giants MLB site, but I can’t be sure. But I will be sure to save every link from every article I read from now on in my head so there is no discrepancy
Generally, you should be prepared to back up your assertions with more than ‘I read it somewhere’ if you want them to be taken seriously.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m echoing what Urbs said. He’s good friends with Barry, and during the week (and into today before the game) he could tell Zito was angry about the swapping.
It’s not something that I saw personally, I turned off the tv pretty quick and left. While Urbs isn’t always a smart guy about things, I’ll take his word on that seeing as how he knows the guy personally
I have always assumed
more often than not, anyway, that much of the anger he shows when getting yanked is at himself for playing horribly. Not unlike my nephew crying when he struck out in little league.
Once in a while he’s pissed that Botchy doesn’t let him pitch through a jam, but I think like yesterday he is just tantruming.
FWIW.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
For me it comes down to this
Watching the Giants fall apart now, after everything, will be so much more painful than watching them get to the post-season only to be swept in a short series. Because at least they’ll have gotten there. At least there will have been that moment of joy and celebration that we as fans and they as players have waited for. I don’t need them to win the world series, I just need them to reach the post-season.
But to go out like this, I just can’t.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You put it beautifully. This is exactly how I feel. I don’t expect that pointy trophy thing to be hosted above Torres’ head come early November. I just want them to win NL West.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Because at least they’ll have gotten there. At least there will have been that moment of joy and celebration that we as fans and they as players have waited for
I don’t see it that way. We lose tomorrow and ATL loses, I sure as hell won’t be excited, or feel like we won anything.
You seriously would?
Split Personality?
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions
well, to lose out, and back into a playoff spot, is awesome, but it sure wouldn’t feel like we earned it (even though the last 162 games says we did).
It would jsut be a weak way to go into the playoffs- no momentum whatsoever, tired players, etc.
True
Makes sense reading it again. They can celebrate the 162 game struggle and playoffs. It will not be fun.
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Both really suck. I tried to explain this to a Cubs fan, how losing that WS in 2002 nothing happened in 2002 was worse than all the years of putrid suckiness combined, but he didn’t get it because his team is always 100% inept and will never experience that kind of trauma. LOL CUBS?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I remember once reading about a coach who told his team upon their losing the championship, “It’s better to feel this bad than it is to never get a chance to feel this bad.”
I try to remind myself of that in the wake of crushing defeats, but it doesn’t really help.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s just the same old “better to have loved and lost” stuff. I never really subscribed to that. While it it true that the experience enriches a person, the loss, I have found, does not in itself hold special added significance. And it does not stick with me long. Then again, I pretty much have the attention span of a bee.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
A Russian soul would look at this and say, “Victory and loss are both part of the mighty stream that is baseball.”
Perhaps that explains why Russians are not into baseball.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Perhaps that kind of philosophical bent can only be found at the bottom of several vodka bottles?
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 3, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Just an excuse . . .
. . . to run out an old, old joke.
A Frenchman, an American, an Englishman, a Russian, and a German were each asked to write a book about elephants. The Frenchman spent two weeks at the zoo, then wrote The Love Life of the Elephant. The American spent a year in research, then wrote Managing Elephants in Modern Business. The Englishman spent five years in India, came back, and wrote On Hunting the Elephant. The Russian spent one night in a vodka bar, then wrote Is There an Elephant? The German spent twenty years in libraries and in the field all round the world, then produced an 18-volume opus entitled Preliminary Notes Toward a Beginning Study of the Elephant.
Eh, it’s late.
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Reminds me of the three blind men trying to determine the identity of an elephant by touch.
Elephants are awesome. Too bad we’re hunting them into the ground.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
But you can . . .
. . . go into a lot of places and buy things of ivory.
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at least with actual love, you probably have some really sexy memories to draw back on.
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They both suck, but having your team fall out in the early rounds is probably easier than say, blowing a 5 run lead with one game to go in the WS and then losing completely.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Pssshh.
As if that would ever happen.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be crushed if they didnt make the playoffs
Losing 4 straight when they only needed one. that would really hurt
Not to mention
A lot of our players are young and haven’t been to the post season before. The experience is valuable in itself.
???
extrabaggs
Only way there’s a SF-SD playoff Monday at SD is if ATL loses and SD wins tomorrow, resulting in 3-way tie. No game time set for Monday, BTW
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
this is true
from above:
SF Wins, ATL wins… SF wins Division, ATL wins WC, SD goes home.
SF Wins, ATL loses… SF wins Division, ATL & SD play in ATL for WC.
SF loses, ATL wins… SF plays SD in SD for Division, loser plays ATL in ATL for WC.
SF loses, ATL loses… SF wins WC, SD wins Division.
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where in that above quote does it say that ATL makes it?
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If the Braves lose tomorrow and the Padres win, the Braves are out. Full stop.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
haemaker has all the possibilities drawn out above
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 2, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is not what Baggs said. He said there would be a playoff Monday if SF loses no matter what.
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well, he's wrong then
if there are two teams tied (not three) then it goes to head to head record now.
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I mean
they are tied and one is the WC and one is the Division Winner
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So to clarify..
to not make it to the playoffs, the giants would have to lose five games in row, right? (with two games down)
Correct.
Games 160-164.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
For those who questioned the Guillen PH, remember that Bochy was tossed so he didn’t make that call. Discuss…(unless it’s already been brought up)
Oh, it has.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
does anyone really think that tossed managers stop managing?
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absolutely
except for actual on-field stuff a la the Mattingly pitching mound thing a while back.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
it was a mistake to walk gonzo in the first.
but it was also a mistake to not play eckstein really shallow that led to a blooped hit right infront of ross
then panda commits the error that really put us down in the dirt. there was no reason to panic and rush the throw
later in the game, ross gets taken out for Nate and in his 2 ABs combined the ball doesnt even get out to the infield dirt
and when the game is actually fun to watch. we pinch run and stall at first that led to the game ending double play.
San Diego wasnt that good, we just killed outself and prolonged the torture for everyone in the Bay Area
Story of the year
San Diego being mediocre and the giants playing worse and shooting themselves in the foot.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
why, why would you IBB someone to load the bases, when the pitcher has already exhibited a complete lack of control?
Snort, snerkle . . .
. . . perhaps because you’re an extremely incompetent manager?
Perhaps because you’re managing solely on frear, and you’re more afraid of the question “Why did you pitch to their biggest bat?” than of the question “Why did you walk the only LHB in the lineup, one who’s in a slump?”
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Hey he's not an extremely incompetent manager!
He’s gonna get manager of the year votes and the giants won 91 games this year because of him therefore he deserves a contract extension!
/bill nuekom logic
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Do you have any idea . . .
. . . how many “Manager of the Year” winners over the years and decades have been total schmucks? Hint: taking off your socks will still not give you enough digits to count on. (Yes, I did see that you were being sarky.)
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key to winning manager of the year
outperform what the opening season lines for your team are, no matter if it is due to, or in spite of, or completely indifferently to your management.
bonus points if your team was bad the year before and/or if it is your first year as manager.
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Indeed.
I had something like that in my post above, but—as is getting annoyingly common—SBN ate it. But yes, the key to winning is to helm a team that confounded the pundits’ predictions. Since they could never possibly be wrong, it must be that the manager must have in some magical way been able to win even with a really bad team.
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Bork is the biggest clownish, “no-fault” manager in history. no wonder he has a job- he never rolls the dice so nothing can be pinned on him.
But what I don’t get is this- why if he’d rather throw his player under the bus (no fault managing) than take the fall with the player, then why is he considered a “player’s manager”?
ZITO has a NO-TRADE clause
Thanks Sabean! Thanks Boras!
Buster Posey ain't havin it... He aint.
by Caine Black Knife on Oct 2, 2010 5:15 PM PDT reply actions
Also is being payed like he's CC sabathia
And he’s not even derek lowe.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
he’s not even a fucking little leaguer. Nibbling at the zone with 3-2 counts and the bases loaded? im so fucking pissed, GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
because Stauffer established he could throw strikes
Its stupid that umps think that way but they do
It's also stupid how badly the giants hurt themselves
You can’t expect a umpire to give you the benefit of the doubt on a pitch a foot outside when you swing at everything and never take pitches.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
This doesn’t matter. You can’t nibble like that on a 3-2 count.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
he threw a pitch right down the middle to headley, and headly popped it up. then he refused to do the same to the next 2 guys (with 2 outs, even more rediculous).
If Zito is supposed to be a pitch-to-contact pitcher, why is he so afraid of contact that he nibbles all the fucking time?
Because his fastball is 89?
Zito needs to nibble. The only time he’s going to get a strike on a ball well within the zone is if it’s a total surprise to the batter, which a FB in a FB count is not. Zito was and is successful in general when his FB is—at least once in a while—in the low-to-middle 90s, which it was for a while in the earlier part of the season, because he can use it to keep ’em honest. Without that velocity, he needs pinpoint control (and a sympathetic umpire).
I haven’t looked up the PITCHf/X for his work tonight, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find he was squeezed. That wouldn’t make everything all cakes and ale, but I think he’s being ripped out of proportion. Were not the first couple of hits classic Padres’ luck doinks? (I ask because I had radio only, but it sounded like that.) Bork then borks, forcing Zito into a zero-tolerance situation in which two 3-2 counts go against him; are we really 100% sure that none of those 8 called balls were strikes?
Again, this is not some effort to make Zito out a dishonored hero; but I do suggest that it was perhaps not the worst performance of the last generation. He didn’t have much tonight, but being ordered to walk Gonzo hurt him, and leaving him in when his turn came up bottom 3 was a triumph of folly.
For those who ask about Bochy’s qualities: the archetypal description of a good manager is one who puts people in the situations in which they are likely to succeed; conversely, then, a bad manager is one who puts people into situations in which they are likely to fail. Tonight’s game epitomized all that as regards Bruce Bochy.
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Zito’s pitching is a no-trade clause
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 2, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Well played.
Buster Posey ain't havin it... He aint.
by Caine Black Knife on Oct 2, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But he can and should be dfa'd.
Just as spring training breaks, so he can’t get a job right out of the box and has to go pitch in some independent league in North Dakota just to stay in shape until the Royals or Pirates come calling.
A little parting gift to say “thanks”.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Except for the fact that even though he is grossly overpaid, he is still an innings eating average pitcher.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I have never understood why that's considered a good thing.
It seems to be saying that if you aren’t particularly good, you should pitch more. Or “the more you pitch, the less we care how good you are or aren’t”. The presumption that a good pitcher somehow cannot eat innings just as well as a mediocre one has given contract extensions to an awful lot of mediocre pitchers.
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He is not an innings eater. He just doesn’t get hurt. And the reason he doesn’t get hurt is because he throws a fastball at the same velocity as the no. 2 pitcher on any high school squad.
Inning eaters keep you in games. Buddy Black was an innings eater. Barry Zito gets you behind in games early and often and rarely if ever goes beyond 6 innings.
Thats the stuff of swing men toiling for the Pirates. Not overpaid poets soiling themselves on National TV
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Bah. The innings-eater distinction is hairsplitting and Zito’s a better pitcher than Buddy Black was.
Not as a Giant. And Black never drove the team bus over the cliff the way that Zito has done as a matter of routine for four consecutive years. Intermittent mediocrity is not exculpatory.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
not a bad trait for a 5th starter in April games
not so hot for the guy starting in a game to clinch the division.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
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I said it on the last GDT thread, I’m terrified to go to tomorrow’s game. :(
They could be Giants...but not really.
Shameless plug:
I have put up a support group / therapy fanpost for people going to tomorrow’s game.
I was terrified to go to this game, so I know how you feel.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I was terrified you were going to this game.
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I was 3-1 on the year. I just didn’t have my good stuff this time, I guess.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
At least you battled through it. Or wait, did you stay for the entire game?
They could be Giants...but not really.
only 3-1? I’m 4-0 on the year. You need to step up your game, GAMER!!
Actually, I just usually end up at games Timmy pitches. I can’t stand going to a game where we might lose. I went to a Zito game this year, the Orange Friday right after the ASB when he downed the Mets pretty nicely.
by giant4life83 on Oct 2, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You had the come chicken again, didn’t you?
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
come chicken
/looks around, nervously
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So, is this the point where I cue up "Christmastime Is Here" and shuffle around the house with my shoulders slumped?
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Nah, just pretend you've skipped ahead to Dec. 1.
Halloween was fun although in retrospect, going as MadBum in the greater Atlanta area was a bit of a mistake because you had to keep explaining your costume and after a couple drinks you just started telling everyone you were a rancher from North Carolina which got you some weird looks but you didn’t really care because those margaritas sure were tasty. Thanksgiving was pretty good, except the part where your Aunt Mary and Uncle Bob got a little too drunk and started fighting about the mashed potatoes – she likes them a little lumpy, he doesn’t, and never misses an opportunity to remind her – and then you’re aunt ended up crying in the bathroom for several hours but the turkey was good, albeit a little too and the tryptophan sent you into a crazy food coma and you woke up really late the next morning and missed most of the best sale items but whatever, you hate shopping in crowds anyway. Now you have T minus 25 days to finish all your shopping except it’s even less than that because you have to ship a bunch of it and get your Christmas cards out and buy a tree and wrap everything and shit, why didn’t you handle more of this back in October when you had all that time from not watching baseball. Why, WHY, do the holidays always manage to sneak up on you?
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sorry, I’m a little delirious right now from the cold meds.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
/sends you healthy thoughts, hopes all your little ones don’t get you sick over and over again.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks and back atcha
that was “at ya” not “atchoo”
Mr. Merope just went out to pick up some spicy Thai food, hopefully that’ll clear things out a bit.
OMG, spicy food is the BEST when you’re sick.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, it’s the BEST anytime and always.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
/carries a bottle of hot sauce in her purse at all times.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
actual lol
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
ZITO
After years of historic lack of production why don’t we just drop him? Any successful business would cut their losses and move on. He’s worthless and I can no longer stand seeing him yell “motherfucker” into his glove. Dump his ass.
For what it's worth . . .
. . . the last better-then-mediocre season Zito had was as an A in 2005; even his last A’s season, 2006, was pretty poor. As a Giant he’s been right around league average 3 years, and nontrivially worse one year. As has been repeatedly noted, the salary is a sunk cost. What the Giants need to do is decide whether a league-average starter is worth keeping. Were he used as the #5 starter—the guy who occasionally gets passed over on off days, and who is never given key starts—he probably still has some value, but only till something better comes along.
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He absolutely has some value. Over his four years with the team, he has been a perfectly average starter, with an ERA+ of 97.
with this staff, he should then be the 5th guy, and get skipped over when off days allow.
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well, they are all under contract or control, IIRC
so, if they aren’t, then an even bigger mistake has been made
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which is what
a check for $24M?
I don’t want him around either, and I agree with the sunk cost analysis, but that’s not what rich people that own baseball teams do.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
So… that game sucked. You can say the “Walk Gonzalez” call was wrong, but I was there and I thought the same thing immediately. Trying to save that inning and force the double play was big, and I think the BB actually showed some confidence in Zito. I understand what Bochy was doing there, even if the “numbers” don’t bear it out.
On the plus side, I got to meet oldjacket and hang out and talk baseball, so it wasn’t absolutely horrible.
that walk wasn't my favorite thing
but the TWO walks that followed it were a lot worse.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to invent a fucking time machine, and then I’m going to travel back to 1975 and make sure Jose Guillen is never fucking conceived.
How the fuck can a professional baseball player be so bad at everything?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Something something grandfather paradox. Hawking this, something else.
Latin phrase! Et Bochy!
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
If I have to destroy the space-time continuum to make sure Jose Guillen is never born, that’s a small sacrifice to make.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
It’ll be like a cross between “Back to the Future” and “The Jerk”!
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Is that a flux capacitor in your pocket
or are you just happy to see Marty’s McFly?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the sig.
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lol
the one above that
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While you're at it
Castrate Jerry Hairston, Sr.
"Buster Posey" anagram = OYSTER PUBES
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Oct 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean signed him
Bochy thinks Guillen is really Vinny Castilla.
Thats not Guillen’s fault. He is who he is. He was who he was before he got here. And he will be who he will be when he’s gone.
It was a bad signing before it even occured. But it was a typical Bochy and Sabean signing. Don’t even think for a minute that Bochy didn’t sign off on this before Guillen was picked up, because he was.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
not to mention Zito and Mota were consulted before the signing, and both signed off on him.
hmm, zito strikes again…
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
As did Huff, enthusiastically.
I guess Huff strikes again . . . .
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Where did Huff play with Guillen?
on a side note, completely unrelated, Huff hasn’t exactly been that great lately. His RISP hitting and RBIs have been waaaay down this month. I know RBIs dont count for much, but when you’re hitting in the 3 hole, and you only have 8 RBIs over the last 36 games, that’s something to think about. Especially when you consider how much Freddy has been on base lately. First pitch GIDP today, in the first inning?
At the least . . .
. . . Tampa Bay 2000 – 2001.
Yeah, he’s been struggling a bit of late. I keep wondering if the leg injuries are affecting him more than he or the team lets out.
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he appeared to be running better, or so it looked, but I think you’re right. That shin is his planting leg for generating power and he hasn’t been hitting for much power at all lately.
He’s only hurting the team if hes either playing in too much pain to be effective, or the injury is so bad that it doesn’t allow him to be effective. Considering he’s still taking a ton of walks, I would suspect that it is the latter.
im not much for stats, but it feels like Huff has been super-susceptible to the down and in slider/breaking ball lately, but it might have been that way all year and im only noticing it now because every pitch is so magnified.
his avg has gone from .315 to i think mid .290s, which after so many PAs over the year, is a pretty steep drop-off. he’s hit 2 HRs and driven in 8 runs in the last 36 or so games, so that’s telling.
you could find his monthly (and even daily) game log on ESPN.com
IF the Giants somehow make the playoffs
I’m wondering if Zito makes the playoff roster. He shouldn’t be starting in the playoffs but he’s even worse out of the bullpen.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
i think everyone is just pissed at the game
and they are taking it out on zito
sure he was not on his game, but there is really no reason to blame him when we barely put up 2 runs on the board.
in order to win tomorrow we need to score runs early and often. even if our pitchers put up zeros we would still need a run to win
Two bases loaded walks for the first two runs.
Walked the pitcher, who was the final SD run.
All this in three innings.
We absolutely have the right to take this shit out on Zito.
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Stauffer has pitched incredibly well his last starts. Their approach was shit but Stauffer isn’t some shitty pitcher he’s pretty decent.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
They both get blame
Zito has to go out there and has the pressure of throwing a shut out cause he doesnt know what kind of run support he’s gonna get. After he gave up the 2 runs, he took all the momentum out of the park.
Zito has additional pressure because the guys on his team know he’s going to pitch poorly more often than not, and keep them on the field interminably while he makes 100 times more than anybody else on the club and everybody knows the only reason he is there is because his sugar-daddy paid for all the bats and balls just like every coaches spoiled kid who should be eating his boogers in private and not on a baseball diamond some place.
The guy is a wholesale wreck and the Giants are doing him or anybody else any favors by continuing to run him out there.
See Donnie Moore. And Donnie Moore was actually a good pitcher.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get the comp.
Are you predicting Zito’s suicide?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
No. The effect that Moore’s collapse had on the rest of the Angels forcing them to go back to Boston when they were this >< close to clinching. Moore didn’t do himself in until KC cut him from their minor league system in Aug of 89.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I can because Zito already just punched everyone in the stomach before the hitters even picked up a bat. He took the crowed out of the game immediately and I think the hitters were pressing because they start their first AB’s already in a deficit.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
and
panicked and made every freaking thing worse than what went before.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
quick
someone quantify the amount of fail for SF sports tomorrow
units of Guillens/Zitos/Smiths will suffice
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 2, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions
Is the falcons game blacked out tomorrow?
Wouldn’t doubt it considered their stadium usually looks more empty than raiders games.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Pretty sure that only applies to the home team fans not the visiting teams’ fans.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
We 49er fans can only hope you’re wrong.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Go Atl, Go Us
Fuck the Padres. I don’t even want them in the playoffs.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Oct 2, 2010 5:29 PM PDT reply actions
They deserve to be in the playoffs over us
38 million dollar payroll versus 100 million and they’ve dominated us this year head to head including 7-1 at AT&T park.
Good thing half of our payroll is tied up in 3 shitty players that do not even play everyday and only hurt the giants everytime they step on the field.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Well not quite half the payroll
Rowand + renteria + zito = 39 mil
Add in derosa and dave roberts money and you got half the payroll right there.
Brian Sabean: I take gambles in free agency.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
JPosnanski
It’s really possible that SD or SF will play 4 games in 4 days in 4 cities. That probably hasn’t happened since Satchel Paige.
Satchel Paige
Good one. And to the rest of us, lets take Satchel’s advice, “Don’t look, something may be gaining on you.”
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 2, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
aww boo
can’t they help us out a little?
I see Wilriv!
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants Used Steroids, They'd Have Clinched By Now
Grant said:
“And if they don’t win tomorrow, there will be a one-game playoff in San Diego. And if the Braves can’t rally to beat the Phillies — they’re down four as of this writing — the Giants can lose that one-game playoff and then travel to Atlanta for a one-game playoff there.”
Wait a minute.
If, God forbid, the Giants lose Sunday and then lose the one game playoff in San Diego, their record would be 91-72. If Atlanta finishes 91-71, wouldn’t that mean Atlanta is the Wild Card team, with no playoff necessary? Or did Major League Baseball change the rule?
"The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! And they're going crazy. . . .oh, wait."
by They Might Be Midgets on Oct 2, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
crap my ready blog nerbs!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently they had the opposite effect on Little Shit (jose gu- fuck, im just calling him that from now on)
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants are 91-70 right now.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
wow- that “92 wins gets you to the playoffs” really was on the money
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
they changed the rule
search for rule 23 and rule 24 excerpts
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sorry, I mean 33 and 34
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hell, here you go
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Thank you. It's Right There--Scenario #5.
"The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! And they're going crazy. . . .oh, wait."
by They Might Be Midgets on Oct 2, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I Just Had a Terrible Thought
Under the new playoff rules, which you helpfully linked, the Giants theoretically have a chance to be the first team ever to lose two regular season playoff games in the same year in two different cities.
But of course that will never happen.
"The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! And they're going crazy. . . .oh, wait."
by They Might Be Midgets on Oct 2, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I would suggest not saying...
But of course that will never happen.
Is this some sort of deep cover trolling account?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I admire the self-restraint in keeping it active for this long… most trolls flame out quickly.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
2 things:
Tomorrow’s game has the potential to be utterly epic… I’m hoping it’s a game for the ages, but in a good way.
And hey, Panda’s hitting the ball again!
Help me out here people, I’m trying to stay on the positive here…
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Bullpen has continued to be nails.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
so does whiskey
I think I need a big steak and half a dozen oysters.
and two strong martinis
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This is a lie.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchy has pitched some excellent games this year
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We will win tomorrow.
Stop worrying so much McCoven.
Buster will hit a walkoff home run tomorrow. We will win. NL West is ours.
Also – gotta give credit where credit is due. Padres had their backs against the wall. They delivered the past two days.
Zito, Guillen: They are who we thought they were. No surprises.
/guillen starts in right tomorrow and hits 5th
He took some good swings yesterday
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yes.
He would’ve at least struck out rather than hit into a DP
Freddy sanchez should have hit
He was the giants second best hitter in September but don’t tell bork that as he relays the call from the team room jose’s been there just look at that baseball card!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
ya think Bork jacks off to the back of Little Shits’ baseball card, or the front?
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez but
The thing with Guillen wouldn’t have bothered me as much if he had TAKEN SOME FREAKING PITCHES. They put Darren Ford in for what reason? To stand on 1B and then get forced out at 2nd for the double play? Pablo could have done that. At the very least Guillen should have taken some pitches so that Ford could have been given a chance to steal but he wasn’t. That’s what irritated me most from the AB. If Ford steals 2nd its a completely different game possibly.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
The manager and third-base coach have this thing . . .
. . . it’s sometimes called “a take sign”. Regular observers of Giants’ baseball, however, may be forgiven for being unaware of its existence.
Sabean delenda est!
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Brian Wilson denies that such a thing exists
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at least, that’s what I heard on this wild turkey molestation podcast
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LOL
Oh man I remember that.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Fuck it
I’m going to Hardly Strictly tomorrow. Since it worked for Molina, I hereby exile myself until the Giants win the NL West.
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I still don't hate them
I enjoy watching a team that everyone wrote off succeed. Alas that it’s at our expense, but watching baseball conventional wisdom be so thoroughly contradicted is fun.
Oh
And Heath Bell is a cool dude. Had some real nice things to say about SF and Giants fans a couple days ago.
Heath Bell is awesome
Most of the Padres actually seem like nice people. They’re just screwing with our team right now and it sucks
Easily. It helps that I lived in San Diego for 11 years and had to watch these fairweather losers jump on the bandwagon every time their team sniffed the playoffs, but even that’s not the biggest thing. This is a fanbase that lapped up Ken Caminiti’s taint sweat while throwing syringes on the field every time Bonds came to town, without the slightest hint of self-awareness or irony.
That’s how they should be judged. The team changes, the fans don’t. Just a bunch o’ mercenaries anyways.
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Yeah.
When I watch a game where I have no automatic rooting interest, I usually base my decision on which municipality I like least. Or the color scheme of the uniforms; I’m a big fan of Uni Watch.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We're not talking about the guy that built the fucking railroad (in Minute Maid Park), Walter.
What’s not cool about what dmunk said? Caminiti outed himself as a steroid user. Surely you’re not claiming that the fact that he managed to die stupidly absolves him of the stupid decisions he made that didn’t kill him?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i hate their fanbase
they completely ignore their team when the going gets tough, and act like they’ve been around forever whenever the going gets easy.
but their team? good for them. a bunch of no-names tasting success beats some Yankee blasting 30 home runs.
if the giants overperformed as much as the padres did, they would have 110 wins easy.
oh, and fuck the LOLDodgers. that should answer your question
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Oct 2, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW
For as much hate as Guillen deserves right now, Nate and Cody both got chances to help the team win today and failed to do so.
Credit to Bochy there for trying to keep Jose out of the game for as long as possible.
If you think for a second he wasn't screaming from the team room to PH guillen
You don’t know bruce bochy.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Cody threw out the guy at third to save the Giants a run.
That helped the team.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Under that logic
We should be hating Buster Posey then too, because he didn’t help.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Dude’s tired.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
He’s been gassed for two weeks. What ever happened to Eli Whiteside? You know. The guy that Posey couldn’t sub for last year, because Posey was needed as an emergency back-up?
This is the kind of stuff you get when a bureaucrat is in charge of things.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe they should have signed a ML-quality backup in the offseason
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He is not a major-league quality backup. Eli Whiteside is fine as a backup.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I'd take Eli EVERY day over that fat-ass whiner Molina
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude catches no-hitters.
And hits grand slams.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of someone
who was once a starter and could have been more of a mentor; also someone Botchy would consider playing.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions
if ATL loses before the game starts tomorrow, I say rest Huff, Pat, and Posey. The West vs WC doesn’t mean shit to me if the players are burned out for the playoffs.
the downside is that would all but guarantee that we see the phils, while there would be a 50-50 chance we could in theory see the Reds first if SD wins the WC playoff.
YEAH! Forfeit homefield!! Fuck it!
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if they end up being too gassed to even play by tuesday, and we’ve already gotten a playoff spot, what is the potential upside?
take a 50-50 shot at facing the reds over PHI, or have players that are too burned out to be remotely competitive?
What's the potential upside?
Are you for fucking real?
Jesus, goodnight everyone!!
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yeah. would you rather have a 50-50 shot at playing the Reds than the Braves (at the potential expense of not having your best players rested enough to be effective), or just pretty much guarantee that you’ll play the Phils (and potentially have your players fully rested and ready to go)?
Either way, it’s a tough road to the playoffs, that most likely goes thru Philly either way. This is mostly hypothetical, because I know Bork won’t rest them anyways.
Do you really think one game will tire them out that much?
And you just answered your own question, the upside is not playing the Phillies. That is fucking huge. Not to mention home-field advantage?
its not the one extra game that will tire them more, but the advantage of 4 days rest vs 3 days rest. all the more time to rest, the better. they came flying out of the gates after the ASB.
these guys need a breather, and at this point i would take whatever scenario gets us into the playoffs the quickest. The time to try and draw CIN over ATL or PHI went out the window with th first 2 losses in this series.
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Goodnight Jesus!
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Night, Chalice.
Good Night, Tabernacle.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Night Ark of the Covenant
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- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t fucking believe it. Jesus FUCKING Christ.
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GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Oct 2, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I dreamed a dream in series gone by
When hope was high
And ball worth watching
I dreamed that Giants would never die
I dreamed that Pat would be forgiving
Then I was brash and unafraid
The DBacks swept, and used, and wasted
There was no ransom to be paid
No song unsung, no dingers unblasted
But the Padres came at night
With their offense soft as thunder
As they tear your hope apart
And they turn your dream to shame
by GiantPain on Oct 2, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
:’(
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I can’t not fucking believe it.
Look who is running things.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
so get this...
I’m driving home earlier (20min ago or so), going mid-30s in a 35 zone thru a semi-residential area, when out of the shadows 20’ in front of me, a little dog runs in the road- along with the 5 year old kid who is chasing his dog.
I slammed on the brakes at the last second, and skidded within 5’ of the kid and dog before the car stopped. Not a parent to be seen either, no one watching over this kid who is playing with his dog on the side of the road in a 35 zone.
I screamed at the kid about how I almost killed him, his dog needs to be on a leash if he doesn’t have control over him, why are you playing on the side of the road like that, and about how I almost ran him over. He looked at me and said “why would you kill me?”
I was shaken the fuck up after that, and still a little shaky. I seriously almost ran over a 4’, 60lb kid and his dog
Welcome to the bay area
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
ive been driving around here for 3 years (other 7 were in monterey) and that has never happened to me. Almost hit a dog? many times. Almost hit a kid? never
I did hit a kid once. Well she was about 12 or 13 and she should have fucking known not to RUN OUT IN THE FUCKING STREET WITHOUT LOOKING!!! I was going really slowly cuz I saw the potential for stupidity long before it happened. And technically I’d say she ran into me, now that I think about it I should have sued her for the damage she did to my car.
fun fact
Merope keeps a LONG list of ex-student miscreants…
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Once, long ago and far away, I killed a dog that way.
Ill-lit small-town street with a big downslope and curve: the dog comes shooting out from between parked cars and literally runs at my vehicle. I am unable in the very short space available to come to a full stop. The owners come running out, very kindly reassuring me over and over that the dog was sure to catch it that way some day, he always darts out to “attack” oncoming vehicles, there was nothing you could have done, &c &c. All of that was 100% true, and yet I still felt (and to this hour) feel like a total shit about it. But after it all sank in, I also acquired, and also hold to this hour, a tremendous anger against people who think pets are ambulatory stuffed dolls, toys of no consequence, live or die. They knew, really and truly knew, that that dog was going to die that way, and couldn’t have cared very much less.
What a world.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Moreover, they should've known that it would be traumatic for whichever passing driver did the deed.
My mom bears a fair amount of anger towards those people who throw themselves in front of trains, or commit ‘suicide by cop,’ or some such. When there are so many ways to off yourself that don’t give others nightmares or PTSD, it’s a serious fucking dick move to pull that shit.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree. There is no space in this world for people who hurt animals. I hold my cat, or pet my dog, and just imagine what I would do to someone who ever tried to kick them or hurt them. I even fucking hate people who hunt. I could find out my best friend hunts, and I’d never talk to him again. With this in mind, Vick should never have been allowed back into the NFL.
As for good ways to off yourself, I agree, just jump off a bridge where no one can see you and get it over with. Don’t make it worse for some random stranger.
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
are you a vegan
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That would have to be the only logical conclusion here.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
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by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 3, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Dunno about the others . . .
. . . but we are vegetarians. (The differences between plain vegetarians and vegans have nothing to do with the sanctity of life.)
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save the yogurt!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
nope, not a vegan. I’m talking about somwhat inteligent domesticated animals that people have relationships with.
like those that people hunt?
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I didn’t know deer and elk were domesticated pets that sleep on peoples couches. My problem with hunting is that you are killing animals, taking life, for game, not for food.
what?
when people hunt deer and elk, that meat is eaten.
not many people go on Basset hound hunts.
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enough cows and the like are killed every year for food, people don’t need to game-hunt more animals for food. don’t tell me it’s to save money or whatever, because the gear associated with hunting could buy you a steak every day for months.
Or . . .
. . . you could do as something like one-third of the world’s population does and just not eat pieces of things you kill, in person or by proxy, so you can get clogged arteries and mad-cow disease while using up literally ten times the resources needed to grow healthier (and every bit as delicious and satisfying) foods. I wouldn’t expect people to stop killing animals in mid-numbing numbers just because it’s unethical, but it’s so bleeding impractical and expensive (in many senses).
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impractical+expensive=i think it’s a true testament to those who are well-off, who kill animals for sport and their egos, and hang their heads on a wall, more than it is about anything else.
it truly is unethical. but, that’s how the world works, sadly. not many people reamin who have morals and ethics to abide by
I used to love hunting Bassets as a kid. Basset jerky will always taste like youth to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
He is not making his case as well as he could, but . . .
. . . I do think it’s clear enough what he means. Delete the “domesticated” and it is fair enough (we arguably have relationships even with wild animals).
I have heard some who support, or at least don’t oppose, hunting justifying at least some of it by saying things like “Well, it’s fair if the animal has an even chance of getting the hunter.” That is so silly it’s not even wrong. The animal did not volunteer to take a 50% chance of dying just for someone’s twisted ego to get a thrill.
The topic overall gets complicated and controversial quickly, but my view in a nutshell is that if we wouldn’t think it right for technologically advanced aliens to chase, torture, kill, and eat us for the sheer fun of it, we shouldn’t play their role in our own little theater.
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I think with the post directly above this, at the time of posting
enough cows and the like are killed every year for food, people don’t need to game-hunt more animals for food. don’t tell me it’s to save money or whatever, because the gear associated with hunting could buy you a steak every day for months.
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now why did that get eaten?
like it was some cow?
It’s clear that domestication is a bit of a key word for him, so I don’t think your argument, while valid, is a legitimate characterization of the one he has put forth.
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the difference between domesticated animals and wild animals are just branches off the tree of the bigger issue of hunting.
What about hunting to cull numbers?
A massive imbalance of, say, deer in a ecosystem is no good for anyone.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Grew up on the East Coast. Without hunting in our area, the deer population would get out of hand and many would die a painful death of starvation.
Would you do it with people?
All those teeming populations waiting to be culled. And none of the candidate peoples belong to The Master Race.
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BUT ALIENS ARE TORTURING US
Don’t you read the news?
No
But guillen will.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
no he won’t. don’t fucking put those thoughts in my head.
it’s not like Little Shit GIDP’d in a 3-2 count, and just got BABIP’d. He hacked at the first pitch, and didn’t even give Ford a chance to run. Team player, my ass. Fuck Little Shit
So
Zito pitches way worse than Cain did last night, but the Giants give up 2 fewer runs…but also score two fewer runs. This is how it has gone against the Padres.
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For the second night in a row not a single pitcher on the padres pitched well and they made a ton of mistakes
And the giants beat themselves per usual swinging at pitches out of the zone and making first pitch outs and swinging for the fences as if they are the 27 yankees as bork seems to think they are.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I wouldn't say Stauffer pitched badly.
The Giants definitely screwed themselves over yesterday but today Stauffer only started faltering around the 7th inning
Bork thinks no such thing. He is not aware of any such team as the Yankees.
by Roy Hobbs Jr. on Oct 2, 2010 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't get your hopes up for a Phillies win tomorrow
Phillies manager Charlie Manuel, preparing his rotation for the playoffs, told The Associated Press on Saturday that Hamels will pitch only two innings.
Seriously, why even fucking bother sending him out?
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
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To tune him up
And FWIW, the Braves got shut out by a guy in his 2nd major league start today. They look awful right now.
2 innings of Hamels is better than nothing.
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the word on the street
Manuel wants them to both throw a bit, and he’s going to put them out on the field instead of just having them bullpen it.
Yeah
It should also be noted that from all indications, the phillies really don’t like the braves – i doubt highly they’ll be mailing it in.
Like I said above though
I think they want to see extra games played to decide the West and Wild Card. However, there’s a 50% chance of that if they win or lose anyways.
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So, to state the obvious, the keys for tomorrow’s game are:
1. Get to Latos early. Just don’t swing at his shit. I know this goes against everything you’ve ever been taught, Giants hitters, but please: Make him throw pitches. If you can get him out of the game by the 4th or 5th inning, the Padres relievers are going to be pitching the rest of the game on fumes, unless Bud Black wants to roll the dice with his lesser bullpen players (Mujica, Thatcher, etc.).
2. Sanchez needs to go at least six innings. Our bullpen has been incredible the past two days, but they’ve had to pitch 11 innings. Asking them to basically pitch three complete games in a row is too much, and you might need them for a playoff game on Monday. Only Wilson is well and truly rested.
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Runzler, Ramirez, and Lopez should be totally rested tomorrow too.
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Zito could go
he only threw 3 innings.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Runzler isn’t to be trusted with a lead. Think of Friday night
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
A pitcher who cannot be trusted with a lead . . .
. . . ought not to be on the roster. Yes, some give one more confidence than others, but if it’s that bad (which I do not agree that in this case it is), then cut the man.
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I fully believe Runzler will be Fresno's closer next year
With Lopez & Affeldt still under 2011 contract
Buster Posey>
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Runzler . . .
. . . has pitched better than average this season, and that’s including one short but intensely bad stretch. He is still a work in progress, but seems major-league-capable. A colorable case can be made that he is a better option than Affeldt, if it came down to a choice.
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Also Runzler had that one bad stretch but he was starting to put it together and was pitching well until he got injured and was out for that long period of time.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Are we talking about the Runzler with more than a K per inning, one homer allowed on the season and a FIP of 2.99 accompanied with a tRA of 3.47?
I’ll take him one million times over Affeldt.
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5+BB/9
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heh…when it is one of the most important predictors of future success or failure, it ain’t cherry picking.
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i didn’t mean you were cherry picking. I meant that DrDc left out the BB/9 stat, which is very telling
It wouldn’t be because FIP, tRA, xFIP and the such would include walks would it?
Instead of using individual statistics like K/9 or BB/9, we can use things that take into account everything.
And the fact is, no matter how you look at it, Runzler has been very good:
ERA, FIP, xFIP, tRA you name it.
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FIP, tRA, xFIP, are not stats that i personally subscribe to. I’m a fanatic, but in a casual fan way- I’m the farthest thing from a stat-head there is.
I base my judgement on a pitcher by how he looks on any given day. Stats can’t tell everything. Stats don’t take into account things like pitcher fatigue, pitches under stress, emotions, body language, and the like.
example: Barry Zito’s line from today didn’t look good, but if you watched the game, his start was even worse than it looks on paper.
But beyond all that, I prefer to try to enjoy baseball as a rather than analyze it to death like some people do. But hey, diff strokes for diff folks.
Yes, they do.
“Stats don’t take into account things like pitcher fatigue, pitches under stress, emotions, body language, and the like.” They do, indeed. The problem is to dis-entangle those from other causes and their effects. With care, it can usually be done, though it may take a lot of work. I remember back decades ago to when I was trying to persuade the Giants about analysis, and Corey Busch said to me something about how the batters weren’t playing as well behind Bob Knepper as others because he was slow and not very good, and how could you analyze that; he was amazed when I told him how easy it would be.
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ive never seen advanced stats on pitchers (since thats the topic were on) that take into account fatigue, emotion, and all the other factors.
that would be interesting to take a look at, if available. But how would one even disentangle the different causes and effects of multiple “imtimate player” (for lack of a better term) factors? Like, how would stress pitches (X) be compounded with fatigue (Y) to create the result (Z)?
Yet he’s still better than Casilla, Ray, Mota, Ramirez and Affeldt.
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on paper, over the course of the season. We’re talking about right now. Ramon Ramirez was terrible with the Sox, but now is rediculously good, so how a reliever is pitching within the last month, recently, is my usual basis for judging them.
Are we talking about the Ramirez who almost has as many walks as he does strikeouts?
You do realize that judging relief pitchers over a month often consists of about 6-10 IP right? A full season of evaluating a relief pitcher doesn’t even tell the whole story.
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im talking about short-term here (ie who i’d want pitching that day), not long-term (over the course of a season of two, come contract time)
relief pitchers are more vulnerable to ups and downs over a season than SPs due to the circumstances they enter games in, so yeah, how they have pitched over the last month or so is a good indicator of current success.
And again, not really. Relief pitchers can look great one day and then be awful the next. You pitch whomever is the superior pitcher.
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the superior pitcher isn’t always the best option, in alot of cases. A guy can have a really crappy beginning of the year (Romo, 2010). But he’s been nails since then. So in the beginning of the year, when Romo was blowing up all over, he wasn’t the best- he wouldn’t be the guy I would have used with the game on the line in May. Nowadays, he’s one of the most trusted, next to Wilson, and I feel confident with the game on the line and the ball in his hand.
Or, for another example, take Lopez. Wilson’s stats are better than his, all around, but when the situation comes, sometimes Lopez is used because of the circumstances. So the one with the best stats isn’t always the best at handling a given situation.
You seem a little too into the stats, and I can see how that would make it hard for you to see the game with a more casual eye, cause you’re always crunching numbers for the best outcome.
But that’s you, and it’s all good.
He may be . . .
. . . the first player in years I have been nontrivially wrong about, but—perhaps with the consistency that is the hobgoblin of small minds—I cling to the notion that he is an open gas can awaiting a flame. As noted upthread, relievers put up remarkably small sample sizes, even over a full season.
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He didn’t have a lead on Friday night.
I’m not thrilled about him throwing that wild pitch, but using that as evidence that he can’t hold a lead is pretty iffy.
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In other words
“The Game Plan We Had for the Rockies.”
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I hate to be negative but I feel like there’s, like, a 1% chance the Giants win tomorrow.
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The Braves do have Tim Hudson going though
As much as I like Hudson gotta root against him here
Are you still in Canada?
Because with the exchange rate, that’s actually like a .75% chance.
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Braves lose, then I'd say your 1% is pretty close
but if the Giants have a playoff spot in the bag at game time I think they beat up on the Padres.
They are pressing pretty hard right now and once they relax the floodgates will open on the Padres.
I have the same disastrous feeling
but I’m glad the Giants have proven me wrong before this year when I thought they had no chance in a game or series.
I think the optimal scenario is Sanchez throwing a gem of a game, at least for the first 5 innings or so, and no major blowup.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 2, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't be such a bummer
There is at least a 3% chance the Giants win tomorrow.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Should Timmy pitch tomorrow?
He’ll be on short rest, but may be we should start him. If it doesn’t go well, bring in Sanchez.
Or may be do the reverse?
No
If we need Tim to win a game, it can be the game tomorrow.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I mean Monday.
I’m not a smart.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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it’s ok. you have other qualifications, such as, well… im not seeing any here.
youll find something. they always need toll bridge guys. wait, that involves counting… youre shit out of luck, my friend ;)
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t pitch Lincecum until the season is on the line (Tuesday in Atlanta).
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Ideally, I want Sanchez to win tomorrow.
But I don’t want him pitching on short-rest, but if he ends up having to pitch in Atlanta: Disaster
They should have never moved the rotations around at all, completely backfired.
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i agree, to an extent. zito and cain never should have been flip-flopped. i expected the pads to come here and win on friday, jsut because thats what the pads do to us.
i wanted cain for sat as a backup plan if friday didn’t go well. because if cain didnt get it done, then they would walk all over zito, and gain a ton of stream going into sunday.
well, i turned out just the way i thought it did
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
No
Who would you use on the last game in SD if the Giants lost?
NO
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Nein
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
UGH I totally forgot that there were two outs when Zito walked in the two runs. AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH
Great, Logan, you just broke Natto.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
:(
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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It's Beard inside.
Stating the obvious but...
What a difference a day makes. Twenty-four hours ago, everything looked great for the Giants.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Logically
The Giants still are in a better situation than the Padres and Braves. By tomorrow, that will change a lot. Hopefully in the right direction.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
Exactly.
Why are so many McCoven so pessimistic? We’re in the best position.
Also – tomorrow is the last game of a 3-game series. We’ll score at least 10 runs.
This series hasn’t exactly been confidence-inspiring thus far.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
Because they’ve just lost two in a row to the Padres? And the Padres have their best pitcher going tomorrow?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Momentum doesn't exist
Every game is new.
And, fuck me, I’m glad we have Jonathan on the mound tomorrow. I trust him.
Thanks, that’s my point exactly. And Stauffer had their best ERA in September, if I’m not mistaken.
So Latos is exactly who we should want tomorrow.
So he’s due for a good start, then.
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/nods
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s hit a wall. he’s 60 innings over last years total, and is breaking down big time. not to mention he’s a rookie with a short fuse, so any blown calls/string of hits will send him into an angry rampage and he’ll completely blow up.
Little bits of Latos will rain down on Flems sunroof
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
including
this gem against SF 9/12.
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OT
The Giants record by month and the player featured on the freebie team calendar that month:
April: 13-9 (Lincecum)
May: 14-14 (DeRosa)
June: 13-14 (Bengie)
July: 20-8 (J Sanchez)
August: 13-15 (Renteria)
September: 18-8 (Cain)
So pitchers = winning records. Who’s featured in October? Huff. November? Scott.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Well, yeah, with those hitters. DeRosa, Bengie, Rent, Huff, and Scott?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I’m getting from this is that Sanchez is due to regress and Latos will pull it together. But I’m an optimist at hear.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
*heart
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I said what I said
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I think it would be different if we were playing a team like the...IDK the Reds
But after being pretty much dominated by SD all year…it’s tough to see the brightside
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Have you watched the last two games
in which the Giants have never had a lead and for most of the time trailed by multiple runs?
If you don’t get the pessimism, then you are not paying attention.
Come on. Matt Cain had one bad day – that’s the only surprise.
I expected Zito to stink and to lose game #2 all along. No surprises here.
So, no reason to be overly pessimistic. Padres and Braves would happily swap records with us.
and it would be no surprise if Sanchez has one of his 100 pitches before the fourth inning type games either.
Add to that an anemic offense and the pessimism is very much deserved.
i, for one, wouldnt mind if sanchez was out by the 4th, even if it was 0-0. because our bullpen is so much more nails than our starters this series
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus now all the pressure is on the Giants
Think about it. They’ve had 2 days to get this done and they haven’t. Now they’re being faced with the prospect of going up against Latos, the Padres best pitcher. If they dont get this done then they have to fly to SD and if they don’t win they’re out (depending on the Braves and all that)
Bottoms Up!
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by El Brazo Dravecky on Oct 2, 2010 6:18 PM PDT reply actions
Fuck it
I’m drinking champagne tomorrow regardless. Because I already paid for it. And alcohol makes the pain go away.
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Drag me to Hell is kind of amusing
This is not amusing
I feel the same way about Hostel.
Eli Roth and Quentin Tarintino don’t know real torture.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
/shows replay of Guillen hitting into the game ending double play
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me I want to see Saw 7(?) when it comes out
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
I'm rewatching S1 of Community
The pain is slowly going away. Slowly.
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
They really dont deserve to make the playoffs if they cant win one game here
Fuckin Guillen
I would like to talk to you about my pokemonz
San Francisco:
Home to 800,000 masochists, and 40 sadists.
"When it comes down to it, we're just cheering for laundry." - Jerry Seinfeld
Everybody chill the fuck out, I GOT THIS
I promised you 20 wins and that leaves one to go.
There’s magic inside, baby.
by Aubrey Huff's Thong on Oct 2, 2010 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Damn, that was downright inspirational. I’m still in despair, though.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 2, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome first post is awesome.
Rec’d
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man… he hasn’t been washing you has he?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 2, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the way you make your presence felt around here.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Rec'd
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Aubrey predicted that the thong would go 20-10. Right now it is 19-10.
Thong, you’re our only hope.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
I didn’t bring you this far just to let you down now.
Follow the thong, you won’t go wrong.
by Aubrey Huff's Thong on Oct 2, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s actually pretty crazy, Thongradamus.
Jeaaaggaahh
by Soulbrother16 on Oct 2, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
IF there is a Monday playoff game in SD, does anyone know who the Padres would start?
I mean, the obvious answer would be “Kevin Correia” if you’re looking to inflict the maximum karmic pain on us.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
If they stick to the rotation, it would be Chris Young. Though they might start Garland.
They could be Giants...but not really.
judy garland? the one we smacked around 1st game in SD a few weeks ago? ill take it
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Just woke up from a Zito-induced depression nap
Recent college grad with no job prospects so Giants baseball has more or less been my life these past months. Fuck you Barry (Not to be confused with BLB).
im in sorta the same boat. i finished college back in 2009, but am a recent SRJC Fire Academy grad, still looking to get hired with CalFire.
Baseball has been my life since the epic July run
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
F
"For all you first-basemen who played first your whole life, that's where Buster plays on his OFF days" - Kuiper
This stat really pisses me off
San Diego is 7-1 this year at AT&T Park.
To quote Gob Bluth: C’MON!
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
It has to even itself out, starting tomorrow, right?
….right?
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Poll question on ESPN.com
Which NL team will most likely miss the playoffs this season? As of this post, 48% say Padres, 36% say Braves, 16% say Giants.
Poll results: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=98665
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
There's actually a guideline.
I don’t boldface it when the post text is very short, because it de-emphasizes text to be sandwiched between two boldfaced lines.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
you know, with this sort of care towards formatting...
one would think that your websites would look better…
;-)
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
As I say somewhere on one of them . . .
. . . my hope is that visitors are more interested in the wine than the bottle. The text is legible; that suffices. for the audience for whom I create.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
For whom?
I have, depending on how one counts, a dozen web sites (arguably more, considering some sub-sites.) Of them, eight or nine—again depending on how one wants to count—are in Google’s first results page (i.e. top 10) for their keywords. Inasmuch as Google relies heavily on the Page Rank algorithm, there must be relevant and meaningful sites out there happily linking away to them, meaning in turn that someone must be finding them useful.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I'm saying
There are users who may be put off by the format. If you can improve something (and I’m not talking about the informational content), then you do it.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
That depends . . .
. . .on how much work it takes and how much you think your own time is worth.
While I make some modest money off my sites—one in particular—via AdSense, I started each as a hobby forum, simply to share some experience and knowledge with others who might find it useful. Those who like what they find are welcome to it, and those who don’t are under no compulsion to stay. Neither choice affects me much. As William James, or someone of that sort, once said, There is nothing whatever in this world that anyone is obliged to like.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I'm not saying you have to
my hope is that visitors are more interested in the wine than the bottle.
Only that if this is what you are hoping for, you are probably being a bit naive.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
sorry you had to spend even this much time defending your sites from my one off riff on your formatting
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Nah, no problem.
It’s interesting to hear. I know some find the graphics rather primitive, but then they’re mostly all-text or heavly text-based sites, so “graphics” is just the dust jacket. not the book. But they are what they are, and are likely to remain so. Generally, I get all worked up about some topic, throw a couple of weeks of round-the-clock effort into making a site about it, get about half done, and lose interest. But, judging by Google, anyway, there’s at least something left at the end that’s worth a look, however brief.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
well, there’s a ‘colorable argument’ that in this internet age that things must always look new and fresh in order to seem relevant, and that this indicates some problem with our culture. it is jarring to see something that looks like a webpage looked circa 1996 fourteen years on.
The first time I tried to read Aristotle’s Politics, I was stymied by a difficult to read typeface.
Hmm…so, we’re back to what you were saying then…
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
that said, there probably isn’t anything with your sites that a proper CSS wouldn’t fix.
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
They can take my XHTML 1.0 Transitional from me . . .
. . . when they claw it from my cold, dead keyboard. I don’t even use an HTML editor, just plain ol’ handcoding. Sort of like the old-time reporters who insisted on manual typewriters well into the word-processing age. Geez, Scoop Smith ain’t gonna bang out his hot stories on no wussy word processor! I just acquired the habit of hand-coding my HTML, and never lost it.
But one thing I despise in many modern web sites is the multi-column page, usually with sheer ad text down both sides, where the actual content in the middle column is squeezed down to where one needs to Font+ about three times to read it even on a 21-inch monitor. I find it flat-out rude: I don’t like to read it, and I don’t like to ask my visitors to read it. One discreet horizontal AdSense block across, and that’s that.
In an age where—apparently, at least—nothing counts without a visual and audible “swoosh”, I prefer calm and quiet. Mais chacun a son gout.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
well, there’s a ‘colorable argument’ that in this internet age that things must always look new and fresh in order to seem relevant, and that this indicates some problem with our culture. it is jarring to see something that looks like a webpage looked circa 1996 fourteen years on
Not that I really disagree with you, but counterpoint: Craigslist.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN no bueno.
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Oct 2, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
oh yeah
i looked at it again, and georgia voted that the braves would miss the playoffs hahahahah
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Oct 2, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol I saw that too
Looks like they’re more pessimistic than we are
Can we just go with America’s thought process on this?
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Yo Giants
Tomorrow would be a great time to bust out the patented last game of the series “feast” side of your offense. I like to see Latos rocked for 3 1/3 innings and induce some grown man kid tears (although win or lose, tears are guaranteed in SF tomorrow)!
/Win the inning
//Renteria - Still not a VD but I crush a lot
///Willism is Realism
honestly, i feel good going into tommorrow’s game. bad stretches for pitchers last for 5 or 6 starts, and i think latos started only a couple of starts ago. and sanchez definitely is bringing his A game tommorrow, for whatever that’s worth.
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Oct 2, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
its worth money when you have a guy with stuff as dirty as sanchez’.
latos is way, way over 30 innings from last year, and is imploding.
i am very optomistic
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry but i still think stanford is the better team…
In the end, we all lose. Except some people.
by rain.TheMist. on Oct 2, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I realize this is sick, but ...
Can this season really be complete without the one-game playoff with the Padres? I really don’t think so. It has to either end or continue that way. If we clinch tomorrow, I’ll be happy. If we clinch on Monday, I’ll be happier.
I realize, as a tweet from Grant indicated, that this is “sick” thinking. I didn’t think this way until the Giants put me through this season. It has been and is fun. However, I’m a changed man. I like the torture.
May 28, 1978 ... A good day.
For me, the Giants fan in me wished we clinched 2 days ago but the sports fan in me wants to see this go all the way and have 2 teams battle it out for the last playoff spot
the Giants fan in me wished that Phil Cuzzi made the right call, and we clinched Thursday, rendering this torture mute. I could have watched the final 3 games, without a care in the world if we won or lost, because we had already won the West. Oddly enough, I think we might have won both games so far if we had clinched Thursday.
And no, I’m not gonna let it go until we are safe and secure with New York Life, lol
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
David Wright. Safe at Third. Safe and Secure. New York Life.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
MLB Network announced tonight that it will cover the regular-season finale between the San Diego Padres and San Francisco Giants at 4 p.m. Sunday.
The Giants lead the NL West by one game over the Padres. The Atlanta Braves and Padres are tied for the NL wild card.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
...?
"I think God is going to decide who wins," Tejada said. "I hope both (West) teams get to the playoffs."
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
I hope God hates Atlanta, too, Miguel. Way to show the Cali love.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I just hope God has a large bet riding on the Giants.
I also hope that Jose Guillen’s soul is part of that bet, so if they lose tomorrow he will be condemned to eternal damnation.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Don't hate the player, hate the mental midget who signed the player.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And his sock puppet . . .
. . . who plays him. Every day. Or close enough.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
This
times a million. if god liked the giants, he would have given dusty a heart attack in game 7, right before he was to remove ortiz, and we would have won the series
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
your value of the sanctity of life is well noted
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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No, no . . .
. . . he just means a mild heart attack.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
surely...
which is why you didn’t just wish that he had mild explosive diarrhea to prevent that change.
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projectile vomiting?
is that ok?
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I think that one is okay
A simple case of fainting would probably be safer, more appropriate, and less sickening.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
I will always defend Dusty's decision to pull Ortiz.
The game ball thing was a little silly, but it’s not like he presented it to Ortiz in a jewel-encrusted display case with red carpets and trumpets blaring. Ortiz had the propensity for the giving up the big inning. Whenever the game started to unravel for him, he usually didn’t pull it back under control. Dusty went to the guys that had shut the late innings down all year. It’s just deeply unfortunate that Felix and Nen had nothing left in the tank.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
plus
there was another whole baseball game that could have been won….
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically yes.
Although the team that screws up Game 6 doesn’t seem to have a proud history in Game 7. In Bill Simmons’ Levels of Losing, that would be Level XI: Dead Man Walking.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i just got home from work, i had to leave around the 7th.
i saw the final score, but i didnt know how the 9th inning went unitl now.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK GUILLEN
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READ MY BLOG!!!!
by sadison bummedgarner on Oct 2, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions
I just sent "Don't Stop Believing" by Journey in a bulk email to my entire school
The subject line was “On behalf of Giants Nation”
WE GOT THIS!!!!
Is it wrong that even before this game started, I was much more worried about what Tim Stauffer would do to the Giants than what Mat Latos would do?
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
i was worried about that strike zone he got last time we faced him, and guess what, he got it again. multiple batters fucked out of ABs
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL USC!
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
Suck it, Stanford.
And struggling with the Cougs? Come on, Bruins.
by kingofthacove on Oct 2, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of crap penalties. That’s my excuse.
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
Hey you guys can ride that Texas win for a while
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Why is Oregon not #1 in the nation?
Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.
by kbsofaraway08 on Oct 2, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah true
but they are making a really good stanford team look bad. I hope they inch up to #3 or #2 they deserve it.
Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.
by kbsofaraway08 on Oct 2, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
breaking news!
Fresno St is beating CalPoly LOL
Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.
by kbsofaraway08 on Oct 2, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
WOO GO BULLDOGS
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL U
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ME
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Why were Oregon fans running on the field? They aren’t exactly an underdog team.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I was yelling the same thing.
They were ranked higher and a 7-point favorite. People just want to rush the field for any reason now. And I was upset that Stanford was so impressive to start the game and couldn’t hold on.
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 2:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Catching up on my Giants podcasts
And wow, Kruk predicted we’d go to the World Series, huh?
They could be Giants...but not really.
I dunno but I heard K&K today and they were going on and on about how Zito was “the man for the job!” Mmmmm hmmmm that went well.
i wont make the point that they are organization puppets and are forced to say those things.
but what i will say is that we all just had to root for Barry today like he was the only good pitcher we had, because he needed every ounce of the support
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a gross overstatement.
They are unlikely to say that so-and-so is a poor player, but they are scarcely “puppets” or “forced” to say certain things. Get a grip.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
you have no place in management
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
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that’s odd, considering I have a business degree and have managed a staff before, albeit a small one.
then again, seeing as how you don’t know me in real life I honestly wouldn’t expect you to talk like you do know me. I could make assumptions about you based on what I hear you saying through a computer, with no actual face-time, but that’d be pretty ludicrious, wouldn’t it? after all, what you say is only 5-10% of communication. on the internet, that probably goes down to the 2% range
you and Sabean have been in management
doesn’t mean you have a place in it.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
ahh, back to the old “i know you better through a computer screen than people in your real life know you” line. Good luck with that.
you have no idea of the achievements I garnered in only 2 years of management, so go ahead, call it like you want, if that makes you feel better about yourself. no skin off my back
You will . . .
. . . at least with Kuiper, if you listen closely and read between the lines. Even Krukow will at least criticize particular plays at times, which is a lot more than many announcers—some not too far away—will do. But Kuip, if you’re heads-up, can be rather savage at times (in that quiet, dry way of his).
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
i agree with this and have noticed that read between the lines broadcasting, i meant more of a “you won’t catch them ragging on someone openly” type of deal. the giants lost 6 straight in late june, and they acted like nothing was wrong, but theres the company line they have to dance and i have no problem with that- they are just doing their jobs
Can you recall any instance, ever, of a broadcaster openly disparaging members of his own team on the air?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
“That was the worst baserunning in the history of the game”
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
OK. OK. You out-lawyered me on that one.
But in fairness, that was in the moment. I guess I meant more like in a pre- or post-game show.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s no way I could resist.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay, so…Guillen is apparently Bochy’s security blanket. God alone knows why.
Does Bochy have any say in the playoff roster, or is that Sabean’s call?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Oct 2, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions
Combined effort.
Like when Einstein asks Newton for some tips. Only not very like.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
We're talking Fig Newton here, right?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Oct 2, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Wayne Newton, I believe
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 2, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Franklin Stubbs
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Less like Einstein and Newton
More like Christmas and Dunne.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
Or 163rd. Or 164th.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Screw you, baseball gods.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
Please take that back
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 2, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s gonna hit the curveball himself.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pissed off now, Jobu. Look, I go to you. I stick up for you. You don't help me now. I say 'Fuck you,' Jobu, I do it myself.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Oct 2, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Just what it sounded like to me, anyway.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Oct 2, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Right on.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 2, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
when was that? i missed from the 3rd on… turned it off b/c Zito was so bad
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
think he/she was talking about when hairston got thrown out at 3rd in the 3rd. don’t think it was posey though. pretty sure it was on a ross throw from right, but i could be wrong i’m tired and have mostly forgotten about the game already.
I think my current feelings are, if this team’s going to lose 5 games in a row to end the year and miss the playoffs, I don’t want to watch them anymore.
Thing C
esp when only one win would have gotten them in
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
win one of fucking 5, and youre golden… but no
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You're a Giants fan
You don’t get to enjoy nice things.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAV0XrbEwNc&
After attending both games, this is my relationship towards baseball right now. Listening to this song on repeat is the only way I can read anything baseball related right now. So of course I am going tomorrow.
Now baby baby baby why’d you wanna wanna hurt me so bad
(so bad, so bad, so bad)
I tried to tell my momma but she told me this is one for your dad
(yo dad, yo dad, yo dad)
And I’m like UNH, WHY?
UNH, WHHHHHHHHY?
UNH, WHHHHY LAAAAADY?
OH, I LOVE YOU!
OH, I STILL LOVE YOOOOU!
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons.
Durty is going to come through.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
*shrug*
Cain and Zito had to learn what its like to pitch with their backs against the wall. Giants have luxary this year of up to 3 playoff games that mean nothing. I like this core, I like what they’re doing, I like my chances. As for game 162 or 163, it is what it is.
It's better to be lucky than good.
what i liked was how sanchy sorta already has this experience, from last week v the dbacks. he lost it early, but found his groove and went on to a great performance. i look forward to cheering him on tomorrow
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
/Shift+A
I told my roommate on Wednesday that the Giants could still get eliminated from the playoffs if they don’t manage to win one game for the rest of the season. WHAT THE FUCK GIANTS DAMNITSHITBALLSCOCK
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
There's Incomprehensibly Contracted Obscenities Inside!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm kinda calmed down about today.
Of course I’m only gonna be let down tomorrow when the Padres win on a blooper from Eckstein being the only hit in the game scoring Denorfia who reached on a walk. Oh yeah also when the Niners get demolished by the Falcons. Kick me when I’m already down.
Sighs
If only Alex Smith was better. Man oh man would that be a world of difference.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Oct 2, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Great post, Grant
That sudden break at the start of the sentence was very creative. As someone who genuinely tries to improve on his writing, I really enjoyed that.
Anyway, I have confidence that Timmy will lead us to a win should Sanchez surrender a few runs (in combination with receiving none) and force the team into a tiebreaker. I think there’s a reason why he’s won the cy young in each of the last two seasons. Simply put, the guy is really good. But hey! Here’s to being even more confident in saying that Sanchez will rise to the occasion and ‘deal’ tomorrow against a team that he said they would sweep just last month, and against a team that he actually threw a no-no against last year. Besides, I think Latos still hasn’t recovered from getting wacked around by the Giants the last time he faced the team. 4 innings in San Diego, was it? Tomorrow’s game is in frisco. What are the chances he turns it around? I’d say those chances are quite slim.
My prediction? Giants salvage their torturous season by beating the Fryers and clinching a playoff spot. GO GIANTS!
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Oct 2, 2010 10:56 PM PDT reply actions
The Fryers?
No wonder we’ve been getting burned by them all year.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
hahaha...
That was funny.
I didn’t bother to check if it was Friar, or Fryers. Anyway, I was right about my prediction. YAY!
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Oct 5, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
For those who didn't read the fanshot
Here is what Bochy said about Guillen today:
“We had the right guy up there,” Bochy said. “He’s been through it. He’s a good hitter. He’s a threat up there.”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Oh for fuck’s sake.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 2, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Through the fire, because where else could he turn? He walked through the fire, and let it buuuuuurn.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 2, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
While his teammates just stood there and watched him
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Alternately, you could have gone with some variant on Spike’s lyrics there.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I could've
but for some reason I had that awful Rihanna(?) song stuck in my head. At least now I’m listening to Temple of the dog
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
It’s more of an awful Eminem song. Rihanna just does the chorus vocals.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 3, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Man I really liked Eminem growing up
Has he gotten worse (since the Eminem Show) or has my shift in musical taste just made him seem worse
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
I was never a huge fan of his. Occasionally, his lyrics were dope, but mostly they were just violent and misogynistic in a way that stood out compared to other mainstream rap (and that’s saying a lot). And I could never get over the fact that he sounded like a whiny little high-school boy who talked big but would never actually back it up.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 3, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, he had an ongoing love affair with drugs, too.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 3, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I liked him when I was in middle school
but once I got into HS I started phasing out most rap and getting into Alt Rock
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
That sounds like . . .
. . . either a keyboard key or a usenet group.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Former rock DJ . . .
. . .as it happens.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Mom’s spaghetti.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve now said this twice as much as anybody else on this site has individually said this.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
On this site.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
rap challenge
mom’s spaghetti
mom’s spaghetti
mom’s spaghetti
mom’s spaghetti
mom’s spaghetti
mom’s spaghetti
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
He has gotten worse
I wasn’t a big fan but he had some great songs. Now, every verse is about how he was going off the deep end in life but didn’t and he is strong. And then he sings a stupid chorus, which makes me wonder why nobody has told him that he can’t sing.
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions
meh, what’s he supposed to say? “Jose Guillen is a stupid piece of shit”?
by kingofthacove on Oct 2, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
its that he says that after every single bonehead move he makes, that is what makes his words worth shit to me.
by giant4life83 on Oct 3, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
More gold from Bochy
“It’s a game you want to win,” manager Bruce Bochy said. “Have to? I don’t know. We’re in a situation where we do have a little margin of error. But we certainly would like to win.”
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
...Are there games where you wouldn't like to win?
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
Exactly
Nothing worse than listening to a sub-average IQ manager use throw-away lines during an interview.
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."
- Robert Heinlein
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 3, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The ones that make the difference for first overall draft pick?
Yeah even then…
Look at my website. Look at it. || Screw Johnsonville Sausages and Safeway. I have my reasons.
Sure.
Scenario:
One way or another, the Giants have nothing to play for. Let’s say they’ve clinched home field.
They are playing the Pirates* on the last day of the season.
The Pirates’ magic number to clinch the Wild Card over the Dodgers is one.
The Dodgers have already won.
I would be in favor of trotting out the Fresno Grizzlies there.
*I tried to pick a sad-sack team that deserves a shot. If you bear them a grudge for some reason, insert your second-favorite NL team here.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Boring manager is boring.
Not sure of the exact question that was asked to him, but this quote seems, to me, that he is a happy with just getting to the playoffs by any means.
And then there are those two words:
Phil Cuzzi
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
I've kind of gotten over that
Butterfly Effect. Maybe Bochy puts out a different lineup against the Dodgers and they lose.
"Catch that, Eckstein!" - Duane Kuiper
LET IT GO
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
nothing like an early niners game to quell my anger and disappointment before the giants game… oh wait
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 3, 2010 12:01 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe the 49ers will be so bad Sunday morning that you will forget about the Giants.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Maybe the Niners will show up and play them like the Saints game minus the bad snap/fumble/interception etc.
Oh who am I kidding 0-4 baby.
I think that they will play them like the Saints game. And they will lose a close one.
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
by Tay on Oct 3, 2010 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Bochy is an idiot
That’s not news, but it was reinforced today with his decision making. Still, assembling an offense like this falls on Sabean,
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Good night.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Good night, cow jumping over the moon.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Oct 3, 2010 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I was there (thanks, Goofus!), and I didn’t boo, but I was pretty pissed at him. He just flat sucked.
don't boo Goofus
boo his penis
Sucking up to Grant for a mod position since 2009
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
That is some remarkably dangerous advice.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Uribe
People here say that he’s a free agent after this season but the Giants media guide says the Giants hold a club option for 2011. Anyone know how much the option is for?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Cot's says no option
I’ll see if one of the threads of his signing mentions it
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
MLBTR says no option either
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/giants-reach-agreement-with-juan-uribe.html
Buster Posey>
"Screw it, Redbull time"-Brian Wilson
uhhh what yahoo sports Giants team page?
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
Trippy.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Lunch?
The Giants play with me. I went for a faux drive in the afternoon just so I could hear some better voices regarding the game. Yeah, I had some shit to pick up and drop off, but mostly I was driving in order to listen.
I stand by my choice.
The sun will rise tomorrow, and it will be brighter than the sun on that Sunday in 1965.
I like our chances. And I don’t resent being played with. Yes, the Giants are playing with me, and you, in reprehensible ways. And we’re gonna take it, right you mugs? /faces off all/ Right? Ok.
So get up on time. Get yourself to the park if you’ve gottem, . . . or get yourself to a viewpoint if not. I’ll be here in front of the square screen.
The Giants play with me, I allow it.
A seal walk into a bar. Halifax bartender asks,“What’ll you harvee?”
“Anything but a Canadian Club,” says the seal.
"
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
Good night all, and remember:
The Giants are alone in first place. It could be worse.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Anyone else see Tejada celebrate in Ford's face?
Pumping his fist like he has a personal rivalry with Ford and had just eliminated the Giants. I hope he cries walking off the field tomorrow.
My mom: "I see so many Giants fans on TV at Petco, it's like you're at Pac Bell."
Me: "Almost, just with a substantially greater amount of douchebags."
It’s not a fist pump. It’s a ritual he does (along with others on the team) where he makes a spotlight and shines it toward the dugout. There is a whole story behind it but I forget the details. I don’t have a problem with it because it is only a way to communicate with his teammates and is not designed to taunt the opponent.
Was it ever going to be any other way?
This is Giants baseball. Torture.
That “clinching-the-division-days-early-so-you-can-rest-veteran-players” crap is for week-kneed Reds & Phillies fans. No, here in Giants country, we wring every ounce of suffering from every out/inning/game/season that we possibly can. It hardens our arteries or something and protects us from the inevitable crushing disappointment that playoff baseball brings (ok, maybe not “protects” but possibly “prepares”).
It was always going to go down to the last day and probably even the last out. And even then, it won’t happen until we’re sure that it couldn’t possibly happen; that the odds are so stacked against the Giants that, even if God dropped everything else, they could not manage to pull out the game. Those Bondsian days of coasting towards the finish line are gone and have been replaced by the fire drill of Sanchez getting doubled off of 1st base, Guillen grounding into a premature double-play, Zito hitting the Bull mascot with a pitch…and somehow, some way, Posey/Huff/Burrell/Torres saving the day and at the very last possible nanosecond.
It was never going to be easy to be a Giants fan. Especially not this season.
why in god's name did I wake up at 8:30?
there is way too much time before baseball.
Go jump in Toews Lake.
Aubrey: old German for king of the elves. Huff: English for...huff.
Battle of the Wits
Mat Latos: So it is down to you, and it is down to me.
If you wish her dead, then by all means, keep moving forward.
Pat Burrell: Let me explain—
ML: There’s nothing to explain. You’re trying to take what I’ve rightfully stolen.
PB: Perhaps an arrangement can be made.
ML: There will be no arrangement. And you’re killing her.
PB: If there can be no arrangement, then we are at an impasse.
ML: I’m afraid so. I can’t compete with you physically. And you’re no match for my brains.
PB: You’re that smart?
ML: Let me put it to you this way. You ever heard of Tim McCarver, Joe Morgan, Orel Hershisher?
PB: Yes.
ML: Morons.
PB: In that case, let me challenge you to a battle of wits.
ML: For the Division?
To the DEATH???
I accept.
…
PB: The battle of wits has begun. It ends when we drink the wine, and we find out who is right, and who is dead.
ML: But it’s so easy. All I have to do is divine whether you are the sort of man who would put the wine in his own goblet, or his enemy’s.
Now you’ve beat the Rockies, which proves you are exceptionally strong.So, you could have put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you. So I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you’ve also beat LA which means you must have studied. And in studying, you must have learned that man is mortal so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
PB: You’re trying to trick me into giving something away. It won’t work.
ML: It’s already worked! You’ve given everything away!
PB: Then make your choice.
ML: I will! I choose—WHAT IN THE WORLD COULD THAT BE???
(switches glasses)
ML: Hahaha, you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The first is “Never hope for FOX/ESPN to air anything other than Yankees/Red Sox unless there is no other alternative.” But the other is “Never go in against [whatever the hell ethnicity Latos is] when death is on the line!” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA—
(keels over dead)
by Murray, Present on Oct 3, 2010 7:15 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I hope you brought enough iocaine powder for everyone...
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 3, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Coda
Aubrey Huff: The poison was in your glass all along.
Pat: Both glasses were poisoned. I spent the last few years becoming FUCKING AWESOME and building a resistance to iocane powder.
aw, reply fail
But seriously, the Giants have to win tomorrow. I go on a 12 hour flight across the Pacific Ocean, and the torture must end before then.
by Murray, Present on Oct 3, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Posnanski, from CNNSI.COM
“*If you want details, the Giants were down 4-2 in the bottom of the ninth, and they had runners on first and third with only one out. Jose Guillen was at the plate. I have seen a lot of Jose Guillen in Kansas City, a whole lot of Jose Guillen, the good and the not-so-good, and I turned to the reporter next to me and said that it might be a good idea for the Giants to send pinch runner Darren Ford, who was at first base. I felt sure the Giants would do that. Ford has appeared in seven games this year, all as a pinch runner, he is apparently quite swift (he has stolen two out of three bases). But the Giants DID NOT send Ford on the first pitch.
"Uh-oh," I said. Guillen promptly hit into the easy 6-3 double play that ended the game. The writer looked at me like I was Nostradamus, but really I have just seen Jose Guillen hit a lot."
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/10/02/padres-dont-stop-believin/?eref=sihp
FUCK OFF BOCHY
The crowd sensed magic brewing as Pat Burrell doubled and held at third on Uribe’s blooper that landed near the chalk in right field. Pablo Sandoval followed with a single that scored Burrell. But with the tying runs on base, pinch hitter Jose Guillen grounded into a double play to end it.
It was the 157th rally-killing double play for the Giants — the most in the NL.
“We had the right guy up there,” said Bochy, adding he might have considered starting pinch runner Darren Ford from first base in a favorable count.
Breaking!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Please make it a good day today, Giants.
Bowkermania runs wild...in Pittsburgh.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 3, 2010 9:06 AM PDT reply actions
Let it not be said that the Phillies didn't start their best for us
1. Rollins SS,
2. Polanco 3B,
3. Utley 2B,
4. Howard 1B,
5. Werth RF,
6. Ibanez LF,
7. Victorino CF,
8. Ruiz C,
9. Hamels P
For those who missed it upthread – Hamels will only be pitching 2 innings or so, then Oswalt will come in for an inning or two, then I think it goes to the Phils bullpen.
But at least their position players are all out there.
And then you think, well, at least Werth will be gone after this year
And then they’re all like OH SHIT DOMONIC BROWN SON
Let it not be said that the Phillies didn’t start their best for us bear anything but ill will towards the Braves
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll take it, that's fo' sho'.
Let it not be said that I bear anything but ill will towards the Braves, either.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I can’t help but feel like this is all my fault.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
We're at war,
and you run off to Canada.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 3, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I BLAME JPORNY
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 3, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
pre-game/phillies vs braves thread
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/10/3/1727861/pre-game-phillies-vs-braves-thread
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
According to Baggs, Guillen starts today?
My big fellows, my Giants!
If you want to be in first place, say Bye, Bye Baby!
The Head has painted himself into a corner on this one.
After defending him so much in the paper after yesterday, there’s no way His Borkiness could sit Guillen now.
Jose Guillen is the new Vinny Castilla.
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