Post-game thread: Phillies walk all over Giants, take second game
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 17, 2010 8:35 PM PDT
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PrintLast night was more fun.
The template for a team without homefield advantage is simple. Split on the road, win two of three at home, split on the road. So when the Giants won last night’s game, it was like they were playing with house money tonight.
But, oh, how easy it was to think greedy thoughts. If the Giants had won tonight, they would have gone back to San Francisco up by two games in a best-of-seven series. They would have been in control of the series. They would be on their way to the World Series. And when they won that, they’d play in the Champions League, where they’d finally get a chance to stick it to Real Madrid, and...
Yeah. It was easy to get greedy. Whoops. The Giants split in Philadelphia. Just as planned. Kind of stings. Darn you, greedy thoughts. Darn you all to heck.
Quick thoughts:
- The best at-bat of the night, non-Ross division, was from Pablo Sandoval. Now that we’ve established that Mike Fontenot isn’t a magic defender at third -- he isn’t even a Mentos in a Diet Coke -- please, please, please return him to the bench. You don’t use a Swiss Army knife if you can help it. The screwdriver is small, the nail file is awkward, and the toothpick is just weird. When you don’t have any of the above, great, use the utility knife you were issued. If you don’t have to, though...
- Sergio Romo thrives on deception. There’s no sense letting Phillies get a look at his slider in mop-up time, especially when you’ve double-switched the inning before to make sure the Santiago Casilla could stay in the game.
- Stop walking the bases loaded intentionally, Bochy. Hitters hit better with the bases loaded. They have leverage, especially if they get ahead in the count. There is about a century or so of data to back this up. I’ll have an intern work up a spreadsheet.
- "Philadelphia is one out away from a double-dip win for the area, with the Eagles winning earlier today...." Really? Really? That’s how you set the stage for the last out of the NLfreakingCS? By referencing a regular season Eagles game? It’s easy to nitpick announcers when they talk for three hours, but that was comical. I’m pretty sure he was watching the Colts game on his iPhone.
- I fear tonight was the last time we’ll see erratic Ryan Madson in the series. Feels like a bit of a waste.
- Andres Torres was hot awful tonight. It’s hard to make snap judgments on seven or eight at-bats against Roys Halladay and Oswalt -- they’re kind of good, and all -- but something’s not right. There’s no, no, no way Aaron Rowand should ever start against a right-hander for the rest of his Giants career, but against Cole Hamels? I’m listening.
- It’s nice to be able to start one of these in the eighth inning for once. I just wish the Giants would be even more courteous and score more runs than the other team in a non-close game.
- Matt Cain.
Yuck. Sleep it off.
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No one but Rowand looks like Rowand at the plate.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
this
Also, let’s all pray for Uribe’s quick recovery.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe, just maybe, Uribe was injuried before Game 1.
Just sayin’. Sliding into second just sounds good.
I remember a bunch of bad AB’s, double clutches and ground balls off of his body.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
this is the kind of thing I'm worried about
not just that he can’t get healthy, but that he’ll come back anyway and not play well because of lingering effects.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that bad
It was a thrilla until Victorino’s double. I save “absolutely wretched” for getting shelled early.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
I don’t know… at least when you get shelled early you can relax. This way, the tension and hope bubble built up, only to be burst by Rectumface.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember this team
it’s been since… oh, game 2 vs. San Diego in the last series.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
Im not worried about the series
1-1 split as about hat i was hoping for
what i am worried about is torres. he looked like rowand out there
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
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Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions
the first three batters
have looked craptacular.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
true that yo
It's called talent. I just have it. I can't explain it. You either have it or you don't. - BLB
freddy looked not awful today
GITP:: Rowand The Renteria Game Logs!
by coolandtough on Oct 17, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure I agree on the Romo bullet. Realistically this was a good opportunity for him to get work and slowly meander his way back out of the doghouse.
I think so too
rather not see a 3 run double, but some of these guys haven’t pitched in quite a while.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree as well. Needed an easy appearance to get his confidence back.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2010 8:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
As much as Rollins sucks, I would have preferred to have seen the Casilla v. Werth matchup as opposed to Bochy giving Werth a free pass to load them up.
Casilla was not going to give Rollins another walk with the bases loaded and Rollins knew it. Maybe not letting Werth see Casilla this early in the series will come back to benefit us. As it stood, by only scoring 1 run it was a moot point.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 18, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
much better than that other Cody R from a few years ago
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Oct 18, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Chins up everyone
A split in Philly is really fucking good.
It’s now a 5 game series – and we have home field advantage.
by GiantPain on Oct 17, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I would have been crazy happy
had you told me that after the ATL series.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Woah. This is Kruk like optimism. I like it.
/opponent comes back from a 7 run hole in the 8th to tie the Giants
Kruk: “Well, we have a new game folks. Just like it’s 0-0. Meat.”
It's called talent. I just have it. I can't explain it. You either have it or you don't. - BLB
/avoids national sports media for the next 2 days
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 17, 2010 8:40 PM PDT reply actions
Did I really see Pablo lay off not one, but TWO high fastballs?
That was awesome.
he wants his job back
"For all you first-basemen who played first your whole life, that's where Buster plays on his OFF days" - Kuiper
And a slider in the dirt. We maybe looking at the key to victory.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 18, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
A split is all I wanted....
But boy did Fontenot and Bochy screw up (they were the biggest gaffes). If your plan is to bring in your erratic flamethrowing righty, might as well let him pitch to Werth. Fontenot couldn’t have been worse tonight and as Grant said so smartly, isn’t the answer. Just have to take 3 of 5
"A 1-0 Loss is the fault of our pitching staff" Bruce Bochy/Brian Sabean
Bochy really screwed up that inning. You can’t continue to walk people intentionally. Have some faith in your relievers. Don’t believe the hype, those aren’t the 1927 Yankees. He turned a small rally into a huge inning with the intentional walks.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 18, 2010 4:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
I dont mind a smart intentional walk, but not to load the bases. I didnt like the one to Utley, and I hated the one to Werth (btw- I really want the Giants to go after him in free angency in the off-season. I think he’d fit nicely and shouldn’t be too expensive). I wont blame the loss on those decisions, but coming back from a five run deficit is a lot harder than a two or three run deficit. All said, the split was good and we’re in good shape headed home.
shouldn’t be too expensive
He will be very expensive and he’ll want a long term deal too. It won’t be Holliday-esque but it will be somewhat similar.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
UGH
It feels like they just bulldozed the “BELIEVE” sand sculpture in my heart.
now now
it’s now a 5 game series, with SF having the home field “advantage”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, do I agree on Torres
He probably should have walked to lead off the game. Instead he struck out ugly.
We need the real Torres, please.
Also, seriously, play Sandoval.
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"I told the family lovingly slide"
Andres should absolutely still play
But he needs to be moved waaaay down in the order – as does Freddy.
Bat Ross leadoff if you must.
I wouldn’t mind this experiment either.
Proud parent of Bengie Molina: Buster who?
by The Enchanter on Oct 18, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Use a lighter bat, Andres
It’s late in the season, you’re tired, and you ain’t Hulk Hogan.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees.
by rxmeister on Oct 17, 2010 8:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Did he even make contact?
I don’t remember him making contact once.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Keep the same bat, Andres
but take that stuff that Marvin Benard took. It will help with bat speed like a motha
It's called talent. I just have it. I can't explain it. You either have it or you don't. - BLB
Give Torres a day off, maybe? Start Ross and Nate, then reinsert Torres on Wednesday. Anything to get Torres going again.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
i guess. I just don’t think the dropoff from torres’ defense to ross’ defense is more than torres’ bat is to nate’s bat.
He did look bad
And the worst part of it…he has been chasing pitches. That’s anti-Torres. That’s not good.
I still say play him because Rowand won’t hit any better. Neither will Schierholtz in all likelihood.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Well
Nate does have all sorts of goofy platoon splits. .354/.390/.500 against lefties on his career.
You’d be gaining Nate’s defense though, so better in RF, worse in CF. Is it worth it to get Nate and his career .354 BA against LHP in there? I think so, especially if it can jump start Torres.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Torres is a much better fielder than Schierholtz. And see above regarding Nate’s splits. He showed normal splits in the minors, by the way.
I still think it’s worth it to give Torres a day off. If he’s not catching up to fastballs, something’s wrong.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Well, he’s getting a day off anyway. Something might be wrong with him (his K/BB over the past two months is awful), but I’ll take messed up Torres over Rowand or Schierholtz.
Yes
Earlier in the season he would often sit against tough lefties. He’s in a bad place right now and needs a break. I never thought I’d say this but I’d like to see Rowand get a start.
"No matter how hard you try, it's not easy." Armando Benitez, 9-12-06
We might need to go back to the idea that “the real Torres” just isn’t a particularly good hitter. That said, he’s clearly better than Rowand, so we’ll have to sink or swim with him.
I think we mainly need to admit that we don’t really understand yet who the hell is the real Torres is. The only thing I feel certain saying is that he’s almost certainly somewhere between acceptable and very good.
The problem with his bizarre career path is that, if we believe that he’s truly a different hitter now from what he was two years ago, his entire career is irrelevant. All we have is season’s worth of stats, which can be very misleading.
His K/BB
Tells a very troubling tale.
April-May: 24/19.
June-July: 53/26.
August-September: 51/11.
Great, pretty good, awful.
What do you make of that? I think/hope it’s a combination of random variation and his appendix hurting, but fear it’s just the league catching up to him.
We get to sleep this off...
And have an entire off day to let this stew…can’t say I’m looking forward to anxiously awaiting getting another shot at those guys.
Oh, and the Phillie fans sitting on their hands unless their team was up by three runs or more?? Pathetic!! Crowd at AT&T would be up and on their feet even if we’re down four!! It’s becoming clearer to me whose fans make for the better atmosphere at the home ballpark (don’t let the skewed national media perspective fool you…Phillie fans are not very supportive in close games)
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
i think it's become more and more apparent
to the national media that Giants fans are among the best and most passionate in the game.
didn’t TBS turn down the volume every time the Giants crowd got too loud for TV?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 17, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
well
i’m not completely sure about that though. I was at NLDS game 2 and there were times when my ears were hurting, and that has never happened to me before at a sporting event of any kind. We were representing!
Holy Shit
Grant just suggested that it might be better to start Aaron Rowand over Andres Torres.
Holy shit.
Yes.
I just said I’m listening. Just like I did in prison that one time. ALL I DID WAS LISTEN.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 17, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
IT WAS A PHASE. I'M OVER IT. START TORRES.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 17, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't Natto
Grant The Brooks Conrad Fontenot sucked what your trying to suck. haha! GO GIANTS WIN SOME GAMES AT HOME!
You kidding?
Howie wants to join in!
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Where is howie? Have you checked outside your window lately, since he hasn’t been here.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I am also starting to worry about Lars.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I’ve DMed him on twitter, haven’t heard back. I’m definitely worried.
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kdl said all was well the other day
but was VERY evasive as to why she knew her stalker’s whereabouts :)
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It all starts with the listening.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 17, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad this thread went here after this game.
:D
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
/lights TheLetter2 Signal
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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Reluctantly, I'll make the case
Aaron Rowand has hit lefties better this year (.211/.292/.389) better than Andres Torres has hit over the past two months (.164/.188/.328 ) or this postseason (.200/.200/.200)
Now, I would still start Andres. But I wouldn’t be mad if Rowand got a start vs the lefty.
No Sandoval was OK while we were winning, but now we're back to reality...
Sandoval please. Fontenot is definitely a step down from Panda in the offensive aspect, and looking back, Panda’s defense isn’t that bad anymore is it…
Panda definitely reacts to the ball off the bat a lot faster then Fontenot. They both suck at throwing accurately though.
Sandoval is a decent defender at 3B. He has a quick first step, and doesn’t really need a ton of range at that position anyway (mostly you have to field hot shots). Sometimes his arm is erratic, but it is strong, and at this point it’s clear that Fontenot’s accuracy isn’t any better.
I actually think Panda may have fielded Victorino’s double. A quicker reaction probably knocks it down, though I’m not blaming Fontenot since it’s not an easy play by any means.
I had the same thought about the double
I think he would have knocked it down if he could get to it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
since we won game one, panda should have started game 2 anyways. we had a little room to give him a shot.
Panda makes the play in the first inning, still 0-0. 1-0 Giants on Ross HR. Catches the popup? saves 10 pitches. Knocks the ball down, preventing double? still 1-0 Giants. Sanchy has 30 less pitches to his tab cause of the long innings Fonte caused, goes the 7th and 8th.
Oh, how I love the what-if game. Sadly, it’s mostly true.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
also
why the hell must we have these horrendous horrendous plate umpires. I don’t know that I remember seeing a pitcher, a batter, and a catcher all start to run off the field after an inning-ending strikeout only to find out the umpire still wanted to see them keep playing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
Fixed - even Oswalt thought it was a strike
I don’t know that I remember seeing a pitcher, abattera pitcher at the plate, and a catcher all start to run off the field after an inning-ending strikeout
I didn't want to limit the possible scenarios
but yes, a batter that only bats 3 times every 5 games knew.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Why Ramon Ramirez?
With both Casilla and Romo available, Bochy chose Ramirez. He didn’t single-handedly lose that game or anything, but it did hurt the Giants.
Also, the biggest play of the game was not throwing out Roy Oswalt at the plate.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
at least now Ramirez doesn’t have a far-too-low ERA for how well he’s pitched. Now we’re less likely to see him in another game.
Regardless, it’s tough to win when you get 4 hits.
by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on Oct 17, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I would've had Affeldt start the 7th
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Bright side:
New Venture Brothers is on and it is awesome.
Dear Bochy, please consider this for Game 3
Start Ross in CF and put Nate in RF.
Rowand is hitting .200 vs Hamels. Nate (in a VERY SSS) is 2-2 with a walk. And Cody is 9/30 with 4 HR, expect more good AB’s from Cody in Game 3, especially during a day game when AT&T is a little livelier.
Nowhere near so bad as it looked.
In the end, the Giants probably lose anyway, but this game was considerably closer than the score suggests. Aside from some pretty hard-hit balls by the giants that just didn’t fall in, there are these:
When the bases were loaded for the Phils, all those who stood up and applauded when it was announced that the reliever coming in was Santiago Casilla please raise your hands. (Mr. “127% of league-average walks rate” Casilla.) Much to the dumbfounded shock of veteran Casilla watchers, he immediately went 2-0 on the batter and had to come in, with what result is well known. Good managers, in baseball or anything, are those who put people in where they have a chance to succeed, and bad ones are those who put people in where they have a chance to fail; fault, Bochy.
Mike Fontenot is a pretty good second baseman in the field, and a very good one at the plate. He is no kind of third baseman (or shortstop) except in dire emergencies. He has not the arm for either left-side position, nor the experience to have the instincts at either (career starts at 3B: 47 in four seasons). He screwed up badly two times, but I do not really fault him for it: he was doing what he could with his abilities and experience. Once again, fault, Bochy. (And will all those rosterbators who keep prattling of him at SS or 3B in 2011 finally please STFU?)
That’s four of the Phillies’ six runs. The play where Oswalt runs through the stop sign that Huff relied on is just one of those dickhead things that happen, and not really anyone’s fault. It was a mistake by Philly that just happened to work out OK.
In short, the Giants players were scarcely blown out in this game, but having to fight both the Philles and their own manager was asking too much of them. (Mind, Charlie Manuel is a good match for Bochy, but just didn’t get the opportunities tonight.)
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
by owlcroft on Oct 17, 2010 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This game . . .
has been a small bump in the road for the Giant juggernaut.
/sits back . . . lights pipe/
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 17, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
To sum up:
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's all in the wrist.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi...
… I’m Owlcroft. Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
It's called talent. I just have it. I can't explain it. You either have it or you don't. - BLB
by manabout on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow.
Stunning rebuttal.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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Touche, salesman.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So elegant a riposte.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, good, you're going to pull this shit again.
How did you not get banned the first time?
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He gone.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Oct 17, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
HIS NAME IS MAN ABOUT
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Man about nothing, in my opinion
History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there.
George Santayana
by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 17, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a tale
Told by manabout
Full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
LOL
Terrific.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Ah good.
I didn’t like him.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I feel like we gave him enough chances and enough warnings to stop being rude and belligerent.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Not contributing a single relevant or positive post helped too, I'm sure
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
I am curious about his profile pic, though.
Anyone know the story behind this?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Rudimentary photoshop skills?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Rec’d
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
They say "Know a man by his enemies."
I am thus deeply gratified.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
by owlcroft on Oct 17, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To me, calling out another poster in your sig like that seems like something Randy Winn wouldn’t approve of.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I would hope
That my unending admiration and respect for owlcroft would offset any awkwardness. I just want to immortalize this moment.
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I guess Cookyman finally got his lasagna because his sig disappeared.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He was missing lasagna?
No wonder Cookyman was sad all this time.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Said something like “I was promised lasagna”
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
DON'T BE SAD, COOKYMAN!
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
oh it's done
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this a translation of something offensive?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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If you type it in Google Translate, it claims it’s in German, and translates it to “Goofy Nersh Can Bosh. Crap.”
Really.
Good analysis
Do you still believe Casilla shouldn’t be in the major leagues?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher?
I'm thinking about it.
A walks ratio that is 127% of league-average is very worrisome in a pitcher who is supposed to come in to relieve crises. Perhaps he has learned something new that reduces his hits counts (and perhaps he has just been lucky), but I am unconvinced about his value with that walks rate, and walks have always been a big problem with him. His 2010 BABIP was 27 points below his career average (which includes that 2010). His power factor was 1.38 versus career 1.56 (again career including 2010), a change that is not usually sustainable. Those are not good indicators for the future. I do believe that 2010 was just a lucky freak year for him. I’m not stating that as a definite conclusion, but it’s how it looks offhand.
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not related as much to Casilla as the bullpen as a whole, but I think Bochy should be using his best relievers every game, manage like there’s no tomorrow.
Game 1, he played perfectly. But last night, his first reliever out of the ‘pen was Ramirez, then Affeldt, I personally think he should be using only a select few (the best ones) unless it’s mop up duty. We never even saw Lopez last night, in a situation in the 7th (where Utley was walked) I think Lopez should have faced Utley, Polanco, and Howand.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I somewhat disagree…part of the advantage a reliever has over a batter is that the batter does not see him all that much (compared to a starter)…the hitter will not have the chance to see the release point or the rotation of the ball at game speed. The more a batter sees a relief pitcher, the more comfortable he is.
For example, a great deal of Lopez’s advantage comes from being a sidearmer…it’s so rare that a hitter is not used to seeing it…the batters cannot pick up the ball until its too late.
i totally agree with your point that a reliever they havent seen is more likely to have the element of surprise, but when you have a superior reliever to a more average one, you’ve gotta go with your best.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Niners win = Giants loss?
Yeah yeah, correlation does not equal causation, but this is baseball we’re talking about here…
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
Those sure looked like some 49er-style mistakes being made by the Giants tonight..
Fucking Raiders, out-failing the 49ers and screwing up our brilliant Dorian Gray spell.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you know..
the Eagles won yesterday?
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Oct 18, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Howard was there I heard
I don’t want to spoil it, you can find out more during the telecast tomorrow.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Can y’all get Torres a lighter bat please? 35 ounces is ridiculous and he was considerably late on 93 mph fastballs. See ya guys Tuesday.
I feel like I’m repeating this a lot. He used a 33 ounce bat last night. Do you think it made a difference? The playoffs are a stupid time to experiment with a new bat.
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this this this
same for new third basemen, resurrecting Renteria and Rowand, and so on.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
So was Huff.
What magic advice do you have for him?
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yep, get him a 33 ounce bat and have him hold it in the dugout....I don't want to see him in the lineup on Tuesday. Start Rowand against the lefty Hamels and bat him 8th.
As bad as Torres has looked, I’m resorting to having to use Rowand.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 17, 2010 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
If Rowand isn’t on the roster to be used when the situation warrants it, they should have just added Velez or Zito or Runzler.
Torres is awful right now. This IS the situation that warrants using Rowand. Or a massive reshuffle that moves Ross to leadoff and CF.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres is swinging late on fastballs. He had a few pitches tonight that would have been gappers before his surgery. Overall his timing just looks off. His inability to lay off low breaking pitchers is concerning enough without him whiffing on the hard stuff.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 17, 2010 8:48 PM PDT reply actions
I am not as bummed as I thought I would be.
having the split probably helps that.
Lets take control of this series at home.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I’d be less bummed if the Giants looked like they knew how to play baseball. I can see having problems hitting Oswalt. He’s pretty good. But the defense and some of the at-bats were downright amateurish.
With that being said, yes, a split is probably better than I expected. So that’s cool.
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How many times this season have the Giants looked like they don’t know how to play baseball, and then come back and win?
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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3/14
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
EAST BAY BIAS STRIKES AGAIN!
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
if rowand was to start
who would bat leadoff? I’d rather see torres batting leadoff by trying to get a slap hit or a bunt every once in a while, because you know rowand would ground out 3rd every at-bat.
Don’t make me use the Radiohead .gif Bochy.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 17, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
So not as good as the Oasis and Blur .gif’s of Bochy
/Britpop humour
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by Gobroks on Oct 18, 2010 2:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sanchez leads off, Ross bats 2nd, drop Rowand to 8th and don't expect a damn thing. At least we get Ross more ABs at the top of the order and Sanchez will also battle. Let's face it, if we don't get 3-5 going, we are going to be in trouble.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 17, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I can only think of 1 game when a non CF lead off
And that was Rent while Torres was out. I might be missing a Velez in there somewhere though
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Renteria – 3 games
Ross – 5 games
Torres – 104
Rowand – 39
Velez – 8
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/split_stats_team.cgi?full=1¶ms=lineu|Batting%201st|SFG|2010|bat|AB|
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I think Ross was in CF when Torres was out, so I'll assume that's when he was leading off
so 11 non CF leadoff hitters this year
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Yesterday...
I thought a split would be a good thing. Granted it still is, I didn’t want to lose like that. It feels like everyone failed at some point today – defensive lapses, erratic pitching and lack of hitting.
My tuesday lineup
Ross RF
Sanchez 2B
Huff 1B
Posey C
Burrell LF
Sandoval 3B
Torres CF
Uribe SS
Cain P
Yeah . . .
. . . the guy is hitting a crappy .333 in the post-season. What a bum. And that lousy catch tonight, too. Useless.
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He doesn’t look right at the plate to me. He hasn’t for a while.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 17, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard . . .
. . . when you aren’t getting play time. It borders on amazing that he can hit anything with as few plate appearances as he’s had for a while. And he hit at least one rocket ball tonight.
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Someone’s probably mentioned Rent’s torn left bicep already.
Proud parent of Bengie Molina: Buster who?
by The Enchanter on Oct 18, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
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by can of corn on Oct 18, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
not the answer to any question I can think of
except for your 2011 Long Island Ducks. He had 2 AB against ATL with a miserable clank and was 0 for 4 tonight.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
With, as noted above . . .
. . . at least one rocket ball. Meanwhile, other players do worse, but no one here is railing that they are miserable, over-the-hill lost causes.
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what other over the hill players are left on this team?
No one else is drawing conclusions from 6 postseason at bats either.
Sadly, I am wondering if Uribe’s health is going to make this moot.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
mine
Posey c
ross rf
huff 1b
burrell lf
sandoval 3b
mole 2b
rowand cf
rent/uribe ss
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey leadoff is interesting
But I think Bochy would be far more likely to put Ross there. Still, a good suggestion.
without torres he actually seems the most sensible to me
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Mine:
1) Sanchez 2B
2) Ross RF
3) Posey C
4) Huff 1B
5) Burrell LF
6) Uribe SS
7) Sandoval 3B
8) Rowand CF
9) Cain P
Let’s face it, we don’t have a good answer defensively at 3B, however, I liked the way Pablo looked at the plate but he will look much different from the right side against left Hamels. I know, I’m not crazy about Rowand as an option in CF, however, Andres looks bewildered at the plate. We need Ross at the top of the lineup just so we can get him more ABs. Posey in the 3 hole gives us R-L-R against Hamels which I would prefer to see. Bottom line, if we don’t get 3-5 going soon, we are going to be in trouble.
I’m looking for a strong game from Cain on Tuesday and a 3-2 victory.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Ross leading off. I also like Torres down in the order. This is what I’d really like to see:
Ross
Sanchez
Posey
Burrell
Huff
Sandoval
Uribe
Torres
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by GrooveGiant on Oct 17, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This game was not fun
But I have two semi-positives to take from it: at least it wasn’t another one-run game, and I was apparently a trending topic in Philly for a while. Yay infamy!
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que?
did you get hassled in the gamethread or something?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah, it was on twitter, I said something stupid in a moment of anger, it got jokingly retweeted by a Phillie fan friend (who knew I was just pissed and didn’t mean it), and then a whole bunch of other people retweeted it thinking I was serious and it blew up.
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Little things making the difference
It’s one of those cliches you hear all the time, especially in the playoffs. But tonight it was very true.
Little things lost the game.
-The called ball four to Rollins (very easily could have been called a strike). That’s one run for the Phillies
-Not throwing Oswalt out at home. He definitely should have been nailed. (TWSS) That set up the other three runs that scored.
-Bringing in Ramirez instead of Casilla or Romo.
I know it is really, really simplistic, but taking those out makes it a tie game.
Ah well, time to do what the Giants have done all year. Bounce back.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
You did notice, I hope . . .
. . . that Oswalt ran through a screamingly obvious STOP sign from his coach? Huff, the cutoff man there, saw that sign and it cost him the hesitation that made the difference. The Phils simply made a huge mistake that happened to pay off. No fault to the Giants on that one.
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I'm not really assigning blame on any of those.
They were all just little things that could have conceivably gone the other way very easily.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
If Huff would have been taking the throw the way he sould have been, he would have seen Oswalt run through the sign. His back was to home plate, as he received the ball he should have slightly turned his body putting himself in a position to
see Oswalt blow through the stop sign and be in a position to allow his momentum to throw home. As it turned out, Huff caught the ball with his back to home plate and cost himself fractions of a second having to catch the ball and then turn his whole body to the plate to throw. Hell, if the ball would have gone through, Buster catches the ball and slaps the tag on Oswalt’s grill. THAT would have been beautiful. Instead, I have to listen Timmy Fossil Time McCarver explain to me that Huff made a great play because the throw would have hit the mound and would have rolled into the dugout. What the fuck is McCarver looking at? If Buck and McCarver are the Fox “A Team”, could we please order up the B-Team? McCarver/Buck are awful.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 17, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, you have to be ready to make the throw home regardless of what you think the runner’s going to do.
Also, you’d think every other Giant would be screaming at him at that point that the runner was going. Very poor communication among the infielders last night.
In my experience it is the base to which the throw is coming that yells whether or not to cut it off. In this case that is Buster.
I can’t imagine him yelling, “Cut,” with Oswalt coming down the line. He would have been out if the throw wasn’t cut and I’m sure Buster could tell that. Not sure what could have possessed Huff to cut it off other than the coach’s stop sign.
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
If the Phillies made a huge mistake that the Giants didn’t capitalize on, how can you say it’s no fault to the Giants? He should have been out and he wasn’t. That’s on the Giants.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Third base coaches are not infallible, though. Maybe holding the runner was the wrong call. Maybe they didn’t want Oswalt sliding.
Thing C
Or maybe the third base coach knew that a decent throw would have meant Oswalt was out.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
You did notice, I hope . . .
. . . that Oswalt ran through a screamingly obvious STOP sign from his coach? Huff, the cutoff man there, saw that sign and it cost him the hesitation that made the difference. The Phils simply made a huge mistake that happened to pay off. No fault to the Giants on that one.
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
It’s like CC Sabathia getting out of a bases-loaded, two-out jam by throwing a wild pitch that just happened to bounce right back to Posada.
Or Vlade swatting a ball and it bouncing, of all places, right to Rober-urp… Robert Hor-URP… I gotta go throw up.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The amount of weak pop outs was ridiculous. I feel as if the Giants made a good
pitcher look like an excellent pitcher tonight. The Giants swung through so many hittable fastballs.
The balls/strike calls were terrible yet again, Bochy ruined an inning (though it didn’t matter with all the fail at the plate, and the defense was schist.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 17, 2010 8:53 PM PDT reply actions
At least I'm out east. I can sleep now.
by GiantPain on Oct 17, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Futurama > Family Guy
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Poke in the eye with sharp stick > Family Guy
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
play flash games
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Mad Men
Don Draper will save us all.
by Murray, Present on Oct 17, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Nor I.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Your taste settings are on the fritz.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 17, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If I remember correctly, we share the same love of Rubicon! There’s that! I just don’t find Mad Men all that compelling.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
… dammit. I can never keep track of who I should be friends with. /returns to tastefully furnished, lonely apartment
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
/sits alone in restaurant, wondering why you haven’t shown
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Your new haircut scared the shit out of me.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
You must have seen the business part of the mullet.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I assume this on a premium channel
So I’ve never seen it.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
AMC
Same as Breaking Bad. When they were trying to get Bryan Cranston on board for BB, he asked his agent if he really wanted to do a show on AMC. He was intrigued by the premise, and loved the opening shot of the series: him, in his underwear, driving an RV through the New Mexico desert. But he had reservations, and said, “what, is it gonna be on after the midnight showing of Rambo: First Blood?”
So the execs at AMC sent him the pilot of Mad Men, to prove they were serious.
And now you know… the rest of the story.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't either, I want to though
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
I don’t watch it, but not because of any quality perception; since I haven’t watched it, I can have no opinion on its quality.
I just freak out when it comes to that world. I don’t even watch Weeds. My life will be hell when Prop 19 passes, even though theoretically I support it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yesterday I watched Mad Men right before I went to sleep, and then had a dream in which I went out partying with Don and then tried to convince him to not cheat on his girlfriend but it didn’t work. Then I hung out with Pete.
Also, let me tell you about my fantasy team.
That’s…not really badass.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Well Pete has done his fair share of cheating. The only difference is he always feels bad later.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
True. But it’s not a way of life for him the way it is for Don. Anyway, Don is charming and fun and all, but very rarely does or says anything that shows he has something that resembles a moral sense. Same with Sterling. Maybe too much time in advertising has consumed their soul, I don’t know.
Finally watched the finale, and all I have to say is...
OH MY GOD DRAPER NO YOU DIDN’T!
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
I get the feeling that when Pete does it, it’s because he feels like he’s supposed to be entitled to it (even though he might not need to), while Don can’t not cheat (because it’s who he is).
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Sporcle. That’ll definitely last you a while.
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Random request
But is there any way to .gif Cody’s hop after his dinger?
My Son
I’m Owlcroft. Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
here you go.. just did quick
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
This is why we wanted Matt to hit him when he played with the Marlins. :)
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh jesus
I totally forgot about that
at the end of the day it's all about kicking the tires
by duke_diligence on Oct 18, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Love that skip!
Proud parent of Bengie Molina: Buster who?
by The Enchanter on Oct 18, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, can we get a real strike zone for game 3? The guys behind the plate have been atrocious for both teams.
I want to know will this same crew follow us to SF? :o(
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
/pounds fist on table
PLEASE GOD NOOOOOOOO!!!! WHY DO YOU HATE US SO????
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Hey, there's six guys in that crew.
One of ’em has to be good, right?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume they will go through a full rotation. If so, Cousins would do game 7.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 18, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
it’s like an all-star umpiring crew, but without the talent.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe its like kindergarten. where people get their feelings hurt if you don’t tell them they did a nice job even when the finger painting is just a grey blob.
No one here gets out alive.
No, it's just a rotation.
There are 60 MLB umps and 7 postseason series, so 42 umps get one series each, and it’s a matter of everybody getting his turn.
Good News:
-Pablo had a good at bat and laid off the high fastball
-Mole and Buster had a few really good at-bats
-Off day tomorrow
-Next 3 games in a row at home
Bats and pen.
Fix it up boys!
The bats are what they are, we knew they were inconsistent coming in, but lordy…it’d be nice to see Torres do his job and get on base and Huff knock ’em in.
The pen has been a total letdown so far in the postseason. Wilson’s been decent, but the rest haven’t lived up to what’s been advertised. I didn’t like the move to take Sanchez out of the game because of how well he settled into the game after that 1st inning hiccup.
Whatever, at least they took one in Philly and that was the most important thing.
It seems to me that many of our relievers have been used in the wrong situations.
Ramirez should be nowhere near a high pressure situation and Casilla should not be brought in with the bases loaded.
As for Romo we saw this homer-giving-upness earlier in the year during the Marlins/Mets series. I still have faith in him.
The only pitchers who really scare the shit out of me are Ramirez, Affedlt, and sometimes Mota.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Total letdown is more than a bit of an overstatement.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
mine
Tuesday lineup:
1: Ross LF
2: Sanchez 2b
3: Huff 1b
4: Posey C
5: Pat RF
6: Pablo 3B
7: Uribe SS
8: Rowand CF
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
playoff experience!
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by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
better than guillen, but ya, woops.
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With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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swap lf and rf position, duh
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
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And remember guys
Momentum doesn’t exist.
We have the top 3 starters to match their top 3 – and our 4 is a lot better than their 4.
Momentum does too exist
It’s why the Rangers are down 2-0.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 17, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Blanton scares me more than their top 3
He ties the Giants up in knots fore some reason.
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huff and burrell are into that though
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by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
1 Ross, CF
2 Sanchez, 2B
3 Huff, RF
4 Posey, C
5 Burrell, LF
6 Uribe, 3B
7 Sandoval, 1B
8 Renteria, SS
9 Cain, P
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Yea but
Renteria’s bat looked so slow tonight. I am not excited giving him the start over Rowand in CF, and making weaker defense at 1b and RF.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 17, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a toss-up because Ross is possible a significantly stronger defender than Rowand in CF. And with Cain out there, is there going to be a Madduxian number of throws to first?
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Did we watch the same game?
Some Giants shortstop hit a screaming bullet that a leaping Phillies shortstop barely snagged. When did they pinch-hit for Renteria?
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Maybe i missed that
I think Rowand vs a lefty is a better choice.
If Uribe is still hurt, they both might start, and Panda and Huff in the infield.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 17, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
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you can keep your time to your self
You don’t need date insurance
You can go out with whoever you want to
Every boy, every boy, in the whole world could be yours
If you’ll just listen to my plan
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by The Enchanter on Oct 18, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
MY THOUGHTS
I am pretending tonight’s game was played Saturday, and vice-versa!
Awesome split guys, lets take ’em at home!
Also, Torres actually managed to look bad enough to make think fondly of Rowand. Ewww. i feel unclean.
Also also, We can End the Mike Fontenot experiment. Kthanx.
Finally, it’s hard to get annoyed at Bochy/Sanchez/Rodgidguiz/Whomever…. we scored 1. Usually, you lose when that happens. Imagine how painful that 9th would have been if we were down 2-1 instead of 6-1!
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Me too
Good split guys. Lets get pumped at home and put the pressure back on them. Lets bat last for 3 games. Lets do this.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 17, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough game. I was impressed by how Dirty bounced back from that interminable first inning (35 pitches, Phillies hitters taking pitches and throwing off his rhythm like crazy by calling time and taking a long time out of the batters box between pitches—credit them for a smart approach). But still, the damage was done. If he doesn’t have that inning, if Fontenot doesn’t make either error, maybe he goes a full seven; maybe he pitches into the eighth.
I wasn’t on the thread, but did anyone else think Torres dove too early on Oswalt’s single in the 7th? Kind of surprised he didn’t catch that, watching the replay.
Happy with a split. Tuesday is a HUGE game. I’m sure Matt Cain will pitch well, the Giants need to knock Whole Camels around. Don’t want to be down 2-1 going into a Game 4 and asking MadBum to be perfect in a must-win game.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
props to Guapo
I hate those kind of innings, but he recovered nicely considering all the iron glove life preservers he got.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed,
Kit and nat.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 17, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Cain
And also, I am all for Pablo playing over Fontenot, especially vs the lefty. Especially losing Uribe’s power. i hope Uribe is back.
It's better to be lucky than good.
My Lineup for game 3
1. Sanchez 2B
2. Posey C
3. Huff 1B
4. Pat LF
5. Ross CF
6. Uribe SS
7. Pablo 3B
8. Nate RF
9. Cain P
I think more people should post ridiculous line up changes that are never going to happen
All because we lost one game on the road against the best regular season team in baseball
by DFARowand on Oct 17, 2010 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Fontenot vs. Pablo discussion is completely legitmate
I just can’t handle the complete lineup shuffle bullshit that’s being posted above…
Especially considering Torres had a very similar stretch like this (was it late june?) BEFORE his injury occurred. Bad time to slump. But that’s all it is, a slump
I apologize
For starting it way up thread. I can never resist rosterbating.
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Disagree.
There is at least a possibility (I’d be inclined to call it a good probability) then the developing infection was affecting his health and responses. So if we think of a “slump” as something with no cause, or at least no clear cause, it likely wasn’t. And, as I have said a couple of times upthread, once your timing is off, then you spend 11 days not playing at all, you will need a while to get back into the flow.
My feeling is that I’d rather keep on with a partial Torres than with 100% of whoever might replace him.
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at one point after the surgery
didn’t they say 4 weeks’ recovery? After about a week I remember hearing he was “working really hard to come back”, which is not always what one thinks of when recovering from surgery. So, maybe he’s still bothered by it, and never really fully healed.
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"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you.
Plus his defense is so tasty.
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Yup
In the infield, we have have 5 similar players to play 3 positions. So if Uribe isn’t comfortable, we go with Renteria; if Sanchez is tired, Fontenot starts. But in the OF, there’s just a huge drop-off between the top three guys and the bench.
Against LHP, that is
Against RHP, you could start Pablo at 1B, Grant at 3B, and Huff in the OF, I suppose. Though I think I’d still prefer Torres.
Yeah but the top guys in our lineup haven’t hit for the entire postseason. A mix up probably isn’t a bad idea given that we’re facing Hamels in Game 3. I don’t think the reactions are just because of tonight. Torres hasn’t been right since he came back from the DL. Sanchez until the end of the game hasn’t done much either, he barely hits the ball out of the infield. And Huff has struggled vs everyone but Jonny Venters.
I really don't see Aaron Rowand being the savior of our offense. I would rather
just hope he can figure it out than turn it over to Rowand. Plus Torres’ defense is too important to just waste on the bench.
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Oct 17, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
i dont think its because we lost. I think its becaus ehow bad torress looked and that grant’s D wasnt the miracle it was supposed to be.
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by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Grant was there for his bat
And not striking out on balls a foot off the plate high.
Pablo looked patient tonight. I hope this trend continues. I think he will start vs the lefty anyways.
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 17, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ MLB.com
Having to replace the FOX audio with KNBR on the Ross HR highlight vid
Home team annoucers were as shocked as the fans were
Speechless
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 17, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
So I listened to Fox tonight since we were watching the game at a friend’s house, after listening to KNBR for Game 1. Joe Buck was his normal annoying self, but I was shocked at just how ridiculously, comically awful Tim McCarver has become. He could give Dick Stockton a run for his money in the Grandpa Simpson Olympics.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Yeah, McCarver is way worse than I remember.
by Dan from NM on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to think McCarver was a decent baseball analyst, like 10 years ago, when he could analyze in real time and provide insightful comments. Now, he just doesn’t make any worthwhile observations.
This is McCarver now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xdTYVxzEwI
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I laughed at Dirty's 1st pitch
McCarver said “Sanchez will sometimes touch 91”. Dirty’s 1st pitch was 92
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
How dare you hate on Dick Stockton. Dude is a legend.
“Errah.”
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or as one board I visit call him Dick “Fresno” or “Count Stockula”
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Dick Manteca!
That means Penis Lard!
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And, if you switch sports for a moment, FoxTrax (aka the glow puck).
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Joe Buck
…as is well documented, most of us can’t stand the fool, and the bar story where he acted like a jackass just lends credence. But what really fucking pissed me off last night is that Ross hits a monster shot, and Buck continues with another question about Ruiz to Greg Gross…his 3rd HR in two games, the first hit off of Oswalt, and a massive game tying shot! Get your shit together and react like any halfway decent announcer!! Dumbass.
The interview with Greg Gross was recorded between innings; they were just showing it while the Giants were at bat.
Now, if I’m directing the telecast, and playing back a pre-recorded bit when all of the sudden a batter hits a HR, I’d probably go back to live play-by-play as the ball is clearing the fences. But I’m not Fox Sports; I actually like baseball.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
ah
makes a bit more sense…it was such a weird moment(and I was zoning out Gross, who is very easily zone-outable) that I thought they were showing one of the HRs from Saturday night..
But, you’re right, any time Fox goes to something pre-recorded, they should be ready to pull that shit if a major event happens in the realtime game..
Also, they exacerbated their idiocy by daring to play a pre-recorded interview during Cody ‘Home Run’ Ross’s at-bat. Duh!
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Seriously!
Ross had already broken up Lowe’s no-hitter with a HR, and then broke up Halladay’s hitless streak with a HR, before hitting another one against Halladay. Fox and ESPN area lways trying to throw out hyperbole to try to manufacture un warranted excitement, so why were they running a filler segment with a bench coach for the team that’s not batting?
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Oct 18, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You really have to ask?
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Buck & McCarver seem to think they are hosting their own version of "The View".
People must tune in simply to hear their dulcet tones and that actual baseball action, much less accurate baseball action, is a necessary evil.
I dunno, I think we match up better with Bayern Munich than Real Madrid.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Oct 17, 2010 9:15 PM PDT reply actions
I agree. I think our pitching can quiet Ronaldo and kaka, but there is now way we can score on Ramos and Casillas
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 17, 2010 11:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait
Since a Soccer field is called a pitch, does that mean our defense can stop Ronaldo & Kaka?
Buster Posey>
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by Gobroks on Oct 18, 2010 2:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Since defense = fielding
And field= pitch.
Ugh. My bad jokes are getting worse. I should sleep.
Buster Posey>
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by Gobroks on Oct 18, 2010 2:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tonight
Was a taste of what the 7th inning fun we will have all series if we can’t get the starters to go 7.
No more 35 pitch firsts please. Besides this insanity, it was actually a pretty good game. Minus the fact we got nothing going on Oswalt besides Ross.
It's better to be lucky than good.
Man, Torres. You're hurting my heart.
I love Torres and fully recognize how important he has been to the Giants’ success this year, but when you talk about holes in guys’ swings, Torres’ are in the upper and lower parts of the general areas around the strike zone right now. They’ve gotta sit him for at least a game, if that means moving Ross to center with Nate in right or (God forbid) Rowand in center. He’s had a great year. He came back quickly from surgery. He needs a night off, at the very least.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Part of me wants to start Rowand
but then I remember how much he sucks. I guess we just have to hope Torres gets it going
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not advocating starting Rowand necessarily.
I’m fine with Ross in center and Schierholtz in right. I just really think Torres needs a night off.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
No.
I think that I would do that to give Torres a night off. I think Bochy would just start Rowand in center with Ross in right, and keep bringing Nate in as a defensive replacement for Burrell.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Yeah, I agree, I just was trying to figure a situation where Torres could sit without starting Rowand.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Dammit, Grant,
do you see what happens when you start “listening?”
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by gallo del cielo on Oct 17, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres is completely lost at the plate right now. He has to sit.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm afraid I agree but who gets the call?
Rowand or Nate?
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I posted my preference above. Huff in right, Pablo at First, Uribe at 3rd, Renteria at short.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And Ross CF
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Renteria at least made a loud out tonight. Torres looked like a AAA player.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
the lineout that launched 1,000 rosterbations
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by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
And 4 strikeouts that made a lot of sentimental fools want to preserve the status quo.
I’d rather have my hand down my statistical pants than my head up my ass.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
does Torres play SS?
And you should use both hands to type.
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"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That last is sig-worthy. I’m not even sure which side of the debate you’re on, or who you’re dissing, but somebody…. somebody done just got Boom
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Boom!-Roasted.
Stupid formatting.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record
I in no way think Torres should be benched for the remainder of the series. Just game three.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
We got the split in Philly, and I’m happy with that. I think we’ll win games 3 and 4, and then have a chance to clinch in game 5.
This umpire crew sucks, by the way. Hopefully the guy behind the plate on Tuesday has a clue.
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nah
a wide variety of head-scratching calls, which makes it much more irritating, especially given the quality of the pitchers on both sides.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The ump was bad for both sides not just the giants
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ralph Barbieri asks Marty Lurie
(seriously, I think): can Fontenot play in the OF?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
Also
And when they won that, they’d play in the Champions League, where they’d finally get a chance to stick it to Real Madrid, and…
Real Madrid hasn’t had any Champions League success in quite some time. Get with it, Grant.
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"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
That’s why we’d have a chance. Catch ’em in a down cycle.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
What I like about this thread...
No end of the world dramatics about losing the game tonight. Fuck yeah McC. Keep it going!
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SUNDAY NIGHT HOT MESS
Giants a HOT MESS
Rubicon finale a HOT MESS
Mad Men finale A HOT MESS
theres yar spoilers
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
49ers had to steal our thunder!
"For all you first-basemen who played first your whole life, that's where Buster plays on his OFF days" - Kuiper
See? The prophecy is right
Neither SF team can win while the other exists.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
i have a similar theory between the sharks and warriors. when did the warriors start being terrible? when the sharks came to be
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by operation carrot on Oct 17, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
could you imagine if the Giantas had one yesterday? the whole city of SF would have been celebrating, much like Philly was yesterday.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Oct 18, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna be really optimistic now
and hope and cross my fingers and toes that this was the last we’ve seen of such foolery from our beloved misfits. We all know it was bound to happen, and it did, so now that’s out of the way. I think I’m a little more relaxed (or maybe a little more drunk) about the fact that it’s a 7 game series and not a 5er. Now we get to go home and regroup, get Matty on the mound, get some friggin runs strung together and stop swinging for the GD fences all the GD time and get our mojo back. It’s all gonna be just fine, this is how we do, and we just need to show some veteran grit around here McCers!
and if that doesn’t work, I’m shaking Tinkerbell til she gives up the goods and overnight it to AT&T :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
get Matty on the mound, get some friggin runs strung together
LOL
:-(
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
those two lines dont go together
Matt + run support does not compute
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
SoCalGal=Matt Cain
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
meh, a girl can hope! playoff games are weird, right? it could happen! (Matty getting run support i mean, not my ability to string coherent sentences together)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
I believe in you
"For all you first-basemen who played first your whole life, that's where Buster plays on his OFF days" - Kuiper
thanks, I hate it when my n00b shows, so embarrassing!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
WHOOOO!
Show us yer n00bs!
/throws string of beads
Bufferildo, the optimism is always appreciated.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
lol u guys!
I think I’ve finally reached the point of being too exhausted from all the excess torture this season and realized that unlike the loldodgers and /padre’d and the Braves, WE’RE STILL IN THIS THING! So if showing my n00b helps, I’ll do it ev-ar-y game!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
oh good! I know it’s easy to gripe and be frustrated, but I’m just too tired, been doing that all season. I thought I’d change things up, see if it might be contagious? I think it’s the eternal kid in me..or it could just be the alcohol (wine tasting FTW!)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
sounds like you should blame it on the a a a a a alcohol
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
i read some of the philly blog today after their loss last night
they were still relatively confident and optimistic. they have a good team but i think everyone realized that its the playoffs and weird things can happen. the giants didn’t score enough to win today. all that other crap that happened (which i didn’t see) is a moot point without scoring more than one run. so no harm no foul on the errors and mismanagement.
No one here gets out alive.
let’s just hope all the “weird” things that happened for us are all done now! not that we’ll ever get a normal game (i.e. sans la tortura-yeah, I think I just mixed french with spanish, oh well!) but I’m secretly hoping that we flew in under the radar just enough for no one to notice us do well against the Phillies and surprise everyone!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
"no harm no foul on the errors and mismanagement" . . .
. . . except, unfortunately, for their predictive power. Not that anyone who has seen more than three or so Giants games needs any further data on Mr. Bochy’s capabilities. (Remember that the errors by Fontenot are because macrocephalic insisted on playing him out of position—as did many not so far away.)
Sabean delenda est!
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Bork did not put anyone in a good position to succeed tonight, other than the regular starting 8. Fontenot and esp the relievers.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
6 times previously the Phillies lost game one
and have never won that series but, before tonight, won game two only once (1993 World Series).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I wasn’t in the game thread at the time. Did anyone else think we should just leave Affeldt in to face Rollins?
Thing C
Yes. Or avoid walking Werth and bring in a righty to face him.
by Dan from NM on Oct 17, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't in the thread either
But I would’ve let Affeldt start the 7th and DS Pablo for Grant then
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Hi Nerds
I am home now. That game was fun for 5 innings at the Public House. Then it sucked.
I need to know who is who though.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
I am me.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Who was the dude with the Chinese Giants cap?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Dunno. Nice guy.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering who he was too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I’m Chinese but it wasn’t me. I was sitting by my computer all day.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
i ate Chinese food tonight…but i too was not at the meetup
"For all you first-basemen who played first your whole life, that's where Buster plays on his OFF days" - Kuiper
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night... but I was in New York.
Also, I lied about the Holiday Inn Express part.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Jackie Chan isn’t. What sane actor does his own stunts?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Tom Crui—
oh. You’re right.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
as you are he
GITP:: Rowand The Renteria Game Logs!
by coolandtough on Oct 17, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
and you are me
Joe Mauer is from Minnesota. My adopted son, RHP Steve Edlefsen, is from Minnesota. Joe Mauer is very good at baseball. Call up Steve Edlefsen, Giants! Science™ is begging you.
How many people were there tonight?
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
A really nice gentlemen came up and shook my hand. I didn’t catch his username though. His girlfriend was Japanese.
Also was The Enchanter and Mr. Enchanter there?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Yes they were
They were to the right of Mr and Mrs Goofus.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
wait wasn’t sfgiantsgirl sitting next to Goofus? I am confused. I think I"ll try to figure it out by looking at photos later assuming Goofus posts them
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
was it crowded otherwise?
Your pregame picture made the place look less busy than I expected.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 17, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
It was pretty crowded…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 17, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Johnny D can sure fill up a room
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
When I sit around a room, I SIT AROUND THE ROOM.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
About the 6th innning
the wife and I were coming back from a family outing in Sausalito and debating whether to stop at the Public House. We decided we were too tired (with the drive back to Santa Cruz still ahead). After the 7th I was really glad we didn’t stop; y’all would have decided I’m a jinx and I’d never be welcome at another MCC gathering again.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 18, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
And where were you, Jinxy McJinxerson?
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 18, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
So it's your fault
You should have at least thought about it.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t try to weasel your way out of this, you jinx!
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
YOU WERE IN
Jinxtown! Admit it!
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Two relevant factoids
*In NLCS history, the loser of Game One has come back to win the series on 12 occasions. The last team to do so was St. Louis in 2006 against the New York Mets.
*In 21 of the previous 40 NLCS, the loser of Game One has bounced back to win Game Two.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=74820#ixzz12gJyd45B
My Son
I’m Owlcroft. Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I like those numbers.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish to hell they had one more fast guy
I realize that there’s a lot of other holes in the lineup (which isn’t to say they’re all fixable), but sweet Tidy Bowl Jesus skipping across the blue toilet water, it’d be nice to have one other dude in the starting 8 who can steal a base and bunt for a single. Not your Loftons or Hendersons or Ichiros. Just a dude who is A) fast B) reasonably good at baseball.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:31 PM PDT reply actions
Cody Ross is reasonably fast. He's no Torres but he's not Benji either
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the problem. We’ve got a few guys who could be described as “reasonably fast.” Cody, Nate, Fotnenot, Huff on a good day. But besides Andres, we don’t have a single guy on the 25-man who’s a legitimate threat to steal. And while SBs aren’t the only important thing a quick/good baserunner brings to the lineup, he isn’t actually that great a thief.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it would be nice to have those types of people but the Giants really can’t do anything about it now. They managed a whole season without a base stealer other than Torres and are going to have to deal with it.
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Marty Lurie just mentioned the group from McCovey Chronicles at the Public House tonight
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I hope we don’t let fame change us.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
(We meaning McC in general. I was not at the Public House.)
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Did he mention how I yelled at Bochy for increasing the run expentency in the inning by IBB?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
OK, I think i’ve recovered from this game. I’m just glad that we’re in a position where we can worry about an NLCS series.
Agreed. The giants are in the freakin NLCS
They’re one of the final 4 teams in baseball! If anything we should be proud of that
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
“Just happy to be here” is repugnant.
Victory or death.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010
Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™
by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Death or Glory.
Becomes just another story.
He is the World's Most Annoying Rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Oct 17, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You just rocked my casbah.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
every great band
should be shot
before they make
their “Combat Rock”
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
i’ll take both please
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
there better be mashed potatoes too!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
ick
potatoes belong on the side!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't had shepherd's pie in years
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
we used to have it once a week or so… i’m over it.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked it
but I can see how having it on a consistent basis could get old
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
once a week?! wow! I can see why you’d be over it! this thread is making me hungry, could be cuz all I consumed is wine today? nah….
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
yeah once a week...
the parents were old school with dinner time
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s adorable! when I was a kid, my mom made meatloaf and substituted saltine crackers with goldfish crackers…it was, well in a word….HORRIFYING! every slice off the meatloaf was like a strange fossil dig with cross-sections of bright orange fish-shaped objects in it!
/shudders
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
that’s me with lima beans… ugh
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
YOUR MOM PUT LIMA BEANS IN THE MEATLOAF?
LOL lima beans are only good for one thing, science projects!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
no silly..
we had to eat them WITH the meatloaf! like a side dish, but not yummy at al
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah… i had to force them down every single time. ick
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
my trick? slide any unwanted food into potato skin! by the time they notice you didn’t eat it, it’s too late to be pissed about it! lol
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
haha it doesn’t matter anymore I’m an adult, and besides I don’t live there anymore! :P
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
well, yeah, those years are well, WELL behind me, like 30 years behind me! pass along the knowledge to your children! ha ha!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
when I have some, I will do that.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
then my work here is done ;o)
(apparently I’ve been too busy hijacking the post for Disneyland discussions-I’m not proud!)
btw! Sac State? I went to UOP :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Noooo the Disney discussions are awesome! and yeah I go to Sac State, 2 more semesters. Huge ugh, considering i’m 23
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
first, apologies for the Stanford game, sorry about that! (but kinda not)
and why be in a hurry to leave college, job sitch is HORRIBLE right now, I think you’re safer in school! I would be but they require teachers to have a classroom in order to get a masters. So I say stay in school! :oD
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
yeah I have grad school to worry about anyways.. Yikes!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
my major is Physical Therapy. But i’m going to grad school for Prosthetics & Orthotics
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
appreciate it!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
With a little butter, lemon and pecorino Roman grated on top I like them well enough.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
That sounds pretty tasty
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Pie.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Pie
2) Death
3) Cake
I said it.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
“If you ain’t first, you’re last”
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
I’m just glad I can go to Disneyland tomorrow and come back Tuesday ready and refreshed from a day filled with silliness and joy! :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Lucky.
I wanted to try and make it down this week cause the CALIFORNIA letters are coming down in a week or so. Wanted to get pictures before they went down.
Doesn’t look like it’s gonna happen though
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
They’re coming down? Really? We were just there – I would have given them a more proper send off if I’d known. What are they putting up instead?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
nah, that’s been delayed about a jillion times!
They’re taking down the crap tile mural along inside entry way now. Won’t miss it at all!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Yup – the walls went up on that while we were there.
Eventually it will be an interesting park, I think.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
They've really improved the California Adventure since it first opened
Now, I actually want to go to it when we go down there.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Yeah
You can actually spend an entire day there, and not have done everything of value before lunch.
World of Color is amazing.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
They have actually closed down quite a bit right now, in anticipation of new stuff. It will be awesomer soon.
And yes, World of Color is cool.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I haven't been since World of Color began
I haven’t even youtubed it because I want to see it in person first.
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
very smart! I did the same, you won’t be sorry you waited to see it in person :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Yeah its amazing in person.. my ex works at Disneyland, she sees it all everyday
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
wow, she’s a saint! as much as I love me some DL, I could never be a CM! People have become so demanding and rude these days, so sad.
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
yeah she makes a point to call me about once a week, and complain about it. I just LOL most of the time
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
AP?
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Annual Passholder
guess not then.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I go to school in Sacramento, so no I am not. I did make a trip however to visit this summer
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The remodel of the park
The entrance to the park is going to extend about halfway to the Esplanade.
It’s gonna look terrific.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I think it will be a vast improvement to have new turnstiles/entrance. The CALIFORNIA letters are cute, but it’s all such a mess really. Personally I think they should have left the parking lot, but I’m glad they are trying to make it right.
ALSO- I LOVE WORLD OF COLOR!!!! everyone should go see it (from the back of Blue section is best!) ;o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Totally correct
from the back of Blue section is best!
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
blue section FTW!
hey! my friends don’t call me their “personal Disneyland guide” for nothin’! ;o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
We sat in the Blue section. It was pretty good. Although once everybody stood up, it was hard for my kids to see. So I held a 60 pound 8 year old for half an hour or whatever. Ow.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
oh no! you gotta be in the WAAAYYY back of blue, “street level”, by the benches, then the kids can stand on them (don’t tell Disney I said that!) and still see above heads (most likely!) plus you get the added bonus of the cool water affects that lurk within the amphitheater (no spoilers, some people haven’t been yet!)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Saw the cool water effects. We were more in the middle, not the back. They were kinda poopy about herding folks into the “chutes” – we couldn’t really choose.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Oct 17, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
just hang back as much as you can, I know the FP says “return at such-and-such time” but it’s more of a guideline than anything. I’ve even walked up to the section after the groups were herded in, as long as you have your FP (and sometimes you don’t really need one if its a slow night) they’ll let you in after the groups are done getting into their sections-hope that helps for next time! :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
I haven’t been Disneyland since I was 4 and that was 38 years ago.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
then you should think about a trip around 2012! that’s when DCA should be all done and purdy! :o) not that it holds a candle to Disneyland, but anything is an improvement to what we first got!
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
yeah not complaining. we get all kinds of good OT stuff in post game threads.
No one here gets out alive.
lol
i was joking because we get so many random different OT threads in post game and wondering if this was our first Disney hijack.
No one here gets out alive.
Highly doubtful that it is
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by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, apologies, I only belong to 2 blog-type things, the glorious McCovey Chronicles and MiceChat, so it’s pretty much all I know outside of the world of education. Starting to seriously question my joining MiceChat though, those people are too tightly wound!
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I love MiceChat.
Have not joined as a commenter. Just like reading their news.
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most of the time it’s good, and I love Mondays because it means updates on the World Of Construction, but sometimes posters really just get way too bent out of shape about the dumbest things. You want to go “relax, you don’t actually work for the parks, it’s all good, just enjoy your day, and if you can’t I know you’ll find your way to City Hall anyway, go bitch there!!” LOL
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No kidding! The original park was kinda dull.
We did go on Mullholland Madness on the last day before it closed. Won’t miss that piece of crap. Can’t wait to see Radiator Springs and the Little Mermaid ride.
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by can of corn on Oct 17, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Aww I love Mullholland Madness.
And it’s staying exactly the same, just getting a retheming into Goofy’s Sky School.
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Ugh.
It’s hell on my knees – they bang around on the safety bar something awful.
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by can of corn on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
it definitely is a tight fit. And was the scene for one of my more sad memories at DCA.
There was a “large” man probably late teens early 20s going on with his little brotherson/nephew who had to be 5-6. As they were moving into position to go up the chain, his car was stopped. The lap belt was not down far enough for the safety measures to allow him to go on.
After trying a few more times he says, “It’s fine, (to his son/nephew) you can ride without me, and I will see you when you are done.”
The kid starts to get all sad and says “I don’t wanna go without you”
It was so sad, they both ended up not riding.
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Heh – speaking of “large” man adventures, we took my 5 year old on the Grizzly Roaring Rapids for the first time, and thing were looking good until at the very last minute, when a few people were added to the “boat” – one was a guy at least 350 pounds, and he was put next to my little 34 pound kid. He took up half her seat. I kept having to squish her to the edge of her seat close to me, to avoid being smashed by this massive guy. And since he kept weighing down that end of the raft, she got so very very soaked.
it was awful. Big dudes like that shouldn’t be the 8th passenger on an 8 seat craft.
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by can of corn on Oct 17, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
that is sad :o( it’s becoming more and more common-had something similar happen on PotC on the uphil waterfall at the end, we got stuck for a sec and I was afraid it would unhook and roll back into the boat behind us! even with all their strategic seating, we were too heavy and this man probably should have ridden the boat all alone, which is just tragic.
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It's a Small World all over again.
LOL FAT AMERICANS
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Well, that was partially due to some of the water jets propelling the boats conking out as well. I was in a boat with me, my two little brothers, and one other family and we got stuck in the Hawaii scene. None of us were overweight at all.
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I blame the other family.
They were smuggling meat in their bags.
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WHAT IS THAT??!! I so don’t get the whole bring a whole chicken dinner into DL. Snacks, sure, especially if you have kids, but really, the whole picnic basket chock full of food? I know Disney is not cheap but there’s no reason to raid the refrigerator and drag it all to the park.
/steps down from soapbox ;o)
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And actually
Eating in the park is what you would pay at an any non-fast food place outside the park.
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IKR? it’s not just a burger, it’s a DISNEY burger! you pay for the atmosphere and the experience! LOL
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Man
I was so pissed when Taste Pilots stopped serving the Chicken Sandwich with the Chipotle mayonnaise.
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ALSO-the fries!!!! (basket weave-style ones-those were goooood!)
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Yeah
I was mad when they changed to normal fries as well.
I have a feeling you would get along with my wife very well.
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Excellent
We are pretty severe Disneyphiles.
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Have you read any of David Koenig’s books? A must, IMO, for anyone who loves Disney.
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not yet, just a lot of Disney bios, “artwork” books, behind the scenes stuff and Kevin Yee’s Mouse Trap. Thanks for the tip!
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I’ve probably read Mouse Tales and More Mouse Tales a dozen times each. They’re both behind-the-scenes look at what it took to create Disneyland and all sorts of cast member stories. He gets a little pessimistic in More Mouse Tales (it was written near the end of the Eisner era), but it’s still highly entertaining.
Realityland is about Walt Disney World. A little too Epcot-heavy for my tastes, but still really entertaining. Haven’t read Mouse Under Glass, though.
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/ashamed
never been to WDW :o(
/even moar ashamed
I have so managed to hijack this thread, just looked back and it’s chock full of disneyana-SORRY!!!
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I too have never been to WDW
The wife and I are gonna save up and take like a week or so, cause, well, you have to.
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No worries, I’ve only been to WDW once and that was years and years ago and we only managed to go to two major parks and a water park.
I have, however, been to Disneyland Paris and on the Disney Cruise (both the 4 day Caribbean one and the 7 day Mexico one). Those were awesome. Even if we did go to DLP in January when it was freezing cold.
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I want to go on the cruise.
So Bad.
Never been on a cruise before.
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Do eet. As a teenager it’s not quite as fun (because you’re too old for all the fun Oceaneer’s Lab stuff for the kids and too young for all the 18+ stuff), but for the kids and adults it’s a blast. Really nice and big cabins, amazing atmosphere at all the restaurants (there’s one called the Artist’s Palette, I think, that goes from black and white to color during the meal), Broadway-quality stage shows, and lots of stuff to do. Highly recommend it.
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It looks like the Mexican Riviera cruise (which disembarks from LA) runs through the winter months, December through April.
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The Disney ship that is being built with the water slide looks cool.
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All the ships have water slides, actually. The new one just has a bigger one.
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Talking about the one that goes over the side of the ship
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I will look into those.
I usually pick up a lot of the books about the imagineering in the parks.
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omg! my biggest thrill at last year’s Expo was meeting Tony Baxter!!!! Epic!!!
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He is totally my hero.
I would kill to learn what he proposed for the expansion for Disneyland.
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seriously! secretly I hope he never retires! that, and that he doesn’t leave DL to go to WDW or another park, I’d be crushed!
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He is the closest to Walt the company would ever get.
He just gets it.
His personal collection of Disney stuff is amazing.
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THE STILL SERVE THAT
it’s the best ever!!! as of july
by kezargiants on Oct 17, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I was there end of August.
Stopped serving it like a week before that.
I was crushed.
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OMG!
I was at D23 Expo last year and got into the Q&A session about IASW with Tony Baxter (imagineer) when someone asked if the “river” was deepened and the boats were redesigned specifically because of that reason. He chuckled (so you know he knew it was true) and then gave us a kind of avoidy/PC answer about how the fiberglass at the bottom of the flume was all torn up and it was catching the boats and that’s why you would always see boats backed up and CMs pushing the boats with their feet. Yeah, ok!
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Man,
I want to go to D23 next year.
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I’m going! can’t wait! if you buy tix now til December you get last year’s prices-it’s a really good deal (especially compared to Comic-Con!)
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Wait, I thought D23 was only for D23 members?
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NO! any one can go!!! :o) check out the website! members get slightly better prices but not much
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Nice! Oh, but it’s in August. I’ll be back in the Bay Area during that time. Why couldn’t be when I’m actually in LA? :(
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but its over a weekend, couldn’t you make a mini-vacation out of it?
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It’s the weekend before I move back to LA for school, so probably not. I’d either have to make two trips to LA, or somehow store my stuff and find someplace to crash for the week.
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bummer :o( I haz a sadz for you cuz it is so much fun! I even went alone last time (cuz most people thought they couldn’t go if they weren’t members!) and though sometimes lonely, Disneyfans are friendly people. But I’m hoping to rally the troops for next year!
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Right now I’m just trying to rally my friends so we can take a trip to Disneyland this year, haha. This year and a half has been the longest period of time without going to Disneyland since I was, like, three /spoiled
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My wife had never gone until she was 20
I took her there, and now she is a total fan for life.
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grew up in bay area, our trips were every 3 years! now that I literally live down the street from DL, it’s insane! I still can’t believe I can watch fireworks from my patio-Anaheim as a city blows, but DL lives there so that makes it all better!
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Grew up in teh bay area
Went once a year with family (mom, siblings, grandparents) until I was 7.
Then went a lot more infrequently. Wife and I have been APs for 3 years in a row (i think). Try to make it once a month if possible.
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cool! my dad went for his birthday with my grandparents the second week it opened! we just found the pictures when my grandpa passed away last year. it was so sparse back then, barely any trees, lots of WIDE walking areas, so funny to see it like that compared to now!
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Yeah,
My mom said she went i the early 60’s and it amazes her to see the differences.
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I still wish I could have seen the Monsanto HotF and the original Flying Saucers. Of course I also wish they would bring back a couple of my old faves: PeopleMover, Skyway, Mission to Mars and Adventure thru Innerspace (but only if we got to keep Star Tours too)
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I still cling to hope the people mover will return
I mean, what else are they gonna use that track for? Rocket Rods was such a clusterfuck.
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I loved Rocket Rods. I did not, however, love the 90 minute waits and how often it broke down.
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Yeah it was fun
but such a clusterfuck.
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Really, if they just banked the tracks the ride probably would have worked 100 times better. Probably would have cost less in the long run as well.
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it wasn’t just the lack of banked turns unfortunately, the track mechanics just weren’t built for that. The tracks look so tragic now with nothing on it, and Tomorrowland desperately needs something to lessen foot traffic.
ALSO-return the Astro Rockets to their rightful place on top of the platform!!!
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I would be ok with that too.
But I really want the People Mover back.
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I thought that with new Tron movie it might get pushed forward (loved the Super Speed Tunnel through Game Grid!) but at Destination 55 they said something will return maybe someday, but not old PM :o(
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I have a sneaky suspicion they are actually planning to update the people mover.
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Tomorrowland definitely needs another ride. Bring back the People Mover! Or some other high-capacity, low-thrills ride that can go on those tracks.
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OR—gut Pizza Port and turn it back into an attraction!!!
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NO WAY. Pizza Port is my favorite place to eat lunch at Disneyland.
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Eh,
I have never been too impressed by that. My wife likes it. But I love me some Hungry Bear, Tomorrowland Terrace, and of course.
CORN DOG
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I love how it’s never all that crowded.
But my two favorite places to eat a meal? Blue Bayou and Club 33. Both are delicious and they have great atmospheres.
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/rubs eyes
OMG YOU’VE BEEN TO CLUB 33!!! I’m so jealous! :o)
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My uncle is a member, so I’ve been able to go twice. The food and service there is amazing. Expensive, but amazing.
Best steak I’ve ever had.
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My wife works for Bank of America and and we can get a reservation through them.
We are probably gonna hit it up sometime next year. I am excited.
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I’m sorry :o( but it could easily move somewhere else and they could get the show space back for a people absorbing attraction! Or rework/get rid of Innoventions??? I don’t mind it, but it is a lot of acreage for not a lot of quality things to do.
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Getting rid of Innoventions is my dream. Man, I hate that place. Nothing but a glorified commercial/arcade. Bring back America Sings or Carousel of Progress!! (although I’ve never been on either of those, haha)
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LOL I barely remember America Sings, but Innoventions has no business being there, the Honda robot is cute but once you’ve seen it, well…. Crossing fingers it gets the ax soon!
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Innoventions is kinda cool
If you have never been there or gone a while without seeing it, but yeah, if they got rid of it I would not cry.
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Born and raised in the Bay Area as well, but my parents love Disney almost as much as I do, so they made sure to drag all of us kids down there at least once a year.
We used to have this tradition when I was little called the “Disneyland Fairy” – each of us kids would pick out one souvenir that we really, really wanted, and on the last day of the vacation the Disneyland Fairy would leave it under our pillow while we slept. I also remember that my dad promised me I could get a Disneyland Barbie from the Disneyland Fairy if I went on Indiana Jones with him. 8 year old me did not like that ride. She loved the Barbie, though.
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Great story.
I should post some pics of my house. There is a ton of disney stuff adorning the walls and shelves.
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that’s adorable! I will have to tell my cousin about that, what a great idea! she brings her boyz (my godkids) to DL and then goes through the whole-shouldn’t the trip to Disneyland be the “treat” ? and I have been trying to tell her to go the “look all day and pick out the one thing at the end before you leave the park” route. Makes them much more savvy shoppers and the treat more special to them. Plus I’m hoping it lessens the whole I WANT thing :o)
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Man
I did not know it was gonna be in August…This is now a real possibility for me and the wife to go.
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IKR? last time I had to bolt out of work to make it to the convention center (school had just started so I couldn’t ask for 2 days off!) I missed the whole Johnny Depp/TIm Burton thing and the Muppets announcement :o(
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Bummer.
But yeah, August works better for me for work and with my Wife.
The one last year was on the weekend of my wife’s bday iirc.
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perfect! nothing better than combining birthdays with all things Disney!
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August just works way better for all things considered.
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I don't know why
But this loss doesn’t bother me as much as it should.
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Winning Game 1 is so awesome.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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this
/clings like a drowning man
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
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I didn’t care about this game as much as I did yesterday. That’s probably why they lost. :( I didn’t contribute my psychic presence
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Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
1) It wasn’t as bad as it looks based on the final score.
2) Sanchez had a quality start.
3) We now play a best-of-5 series with home field advantage.
4) Cain, Bumgarner, Lincecum.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually see this game going back to Philadelphia.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It’s almost certain to. The goal is to win all three at home of course, but so long as we take 2 of 3, we have a very good shot at this.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
and a likely rematch of game 2.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The Phillies win today takes away any credible scenario of Halladay going in Game 4.
Game 5 is going to be special.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Game 4 will be “Giant killer” Joe Blanton vs. Madbum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So that’s the built-in loss, you mean?
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by shanghaijim on Oct 17, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Halladay in Game 4 if the Giants win Game 3
Manuel isn’t going to be second-guessed on what he did to prevent the Phillies from falling behind 3-1.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 18, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Bump it, friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1RChZk1EU
On to the next one. Matt Cain. AT&T park.
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Disagree about the Romo appearance
Doesn’t matter how many times you see his slider. Righties can’t hit it. It’s been proven time and time again. Lefties….well, let’s just say he’s an authentic, bonafide ROOGY, as much as any RH reliever ever has been
you know what i mean
when i say they can’t hit it, it doesn’t mean they can NEVER hit it. He hangs a few, as does Luke Gregerson, Brad Lidge, Carlos Marmol, and everyone else with a filthy slider
I agree.
Grant has a point about only using your best weapon when you need it. But at the same time I feel it was important for Romo to get out there in a comparatively low-pressure situation and get some nerves settled after those two statistically-not-as-ugly-as-they-felt-but-DAMN-did-they-feel-ugly appearances in the NLDS.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree in general but
Just to pick nits, I would consider an appearance where your ERA is infinite as pretty statistically ugly.
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I won't deny that.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Blech. Groug and I only had so much good luck (from ripping up a Bengie baseball card and getting to finally sit down) to work with. We split the first two and took home field advantage. But they need to take care of business at home.
And Pablo needs to start.
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We did our job
Fontenot was out of position.
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Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Going to finish off the night with Lincecum Fuck Yah vid and head to bed.
Because I still feel the magic, even if my shoulders are up near my ears from tonight.
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OT
Although I think a girl who knows a lot about baseball or the giants is incredibly attractive, i do think its cute when a girl asks a question about sports that seems very adorable.
Case in point: I told this new girl im sort of seeing “im sad my team lost tonight” and she responds: “dont be sad, will they get a chance to play the phillies again?”
i thought it was adorable.
They still don’t have the NL West clinching game on iTunes, but you can get the game where the Rockies beat up on the Giants!
I remember last year
There was some game where we beat the Rockies by a significant margin, and for an entire day the only highlight that mlb.com had was a random Todd Helton solo home run. I was so mad.
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I should have kept you all updated on my crusade regarding this issue with MLB and iTunes; but at this point, Games of the Year is done. It’s not going there.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 17, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
See I would be excited about Game 3 if i could freakin watch it!
why is at 1 pm? I have to suffer through the day without knowing the score :( I guess its just more torture
Better at 1 PM than 5 PM. Get over game 2 four hours earlier.
BTW, before anyone says “It’s because of the Yankees”, they host Wednesday at 4 PM ET.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I know it's only fair but I still wanna watch my home team at a reasonable time
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t watch it live but that is what DVR is for.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
OK. Anything recordable (i.e DVD recorder, VCR, TIVO).
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ya don't really have any of those.
I’ll just have to watch highlights
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I’m just gonna say screw it on Tuesday at work, and take a half day and haul ass home during the lunch hour to get home in time for the first pitch
I'm taking the day off.
I’d be off at 5:00, so I’d only need to get the last, what, hour and a half of my day covered to be home in time for first pitch. But i’d be useless at work on Tuesday anyway, so fuck it.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Because of GLEE?
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by The Enchanter on Oct 18, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, folks, it's looking more and more like trading Bengie was a big mistake
With three steals tonight, the Phillies are now 9-for-9 in stolen bases against the Giants this season, including 6-for-6 against Posey. During the regular season, Philadelphia led the NL in SB pct while the Giants allowed the second most steals.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
except none of the stolen bases were posey’s fault!
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you say that if Bengie were behind the plate?
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Pitchers havin' it >>>>>>>>> Posey not havin' it.
This fact dismays me. I am dismayed.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Dunno if this was discussed during the GDT
But this was nice to see:
Ross, who lives in Scottsdale, Ariz., said he’d love to work out a multiyear deal.
"When I got an idea of how this team is and is going to be, and playing in front of that crowd every day, I can’t see a place I’d rather be," he said. "This has been an amazing experience for me. I’d love to play here longer than these few months or even another year. I’d like to finish my career here."
Cody could be a very useful 4th OF for years to come.
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by GiantPain on Oct 17, 2010 9:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I’d be pretty happy with him starting in RF next year.
(Sorry, Nate.)
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh
He’s a good guy to have as insurance in case we can’t get anyone for RF, but man would Werth look pretty in our lineup.
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I’d absolutely love to have Werth, but do you really think we can afford him, a reasonable facsimile of a major league starting shortstop, and at least 2/3 of Huff, Burrell and Ross? I’d rather get all 3 and a good SS (if one is to be found).
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
mmm Werth is gonna b hard to afford with Boras as his agent
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Something tells me he doesnt feel too bad about that
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Or he did his job and got his client as much money as he could
and got his share of the commission so he doesn’t really care that Zito sucks now
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He does, though.
He thinks of himself as a major positive force in the game.
That could’ve all just been pabulum he spewed out for an ESPN Mag interview, though.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I just don’t think that someone goes that far into that field without having grander dreams than money. I mean, he’s plenty rich at this point, so what does he want to do when he has more money than he can spend?. I think he’s up to something.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Starting a war with Iran
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by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL TRUXTON
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LOL exactly
Actually that finale has grown on me a lot in 2 rewatches. Truxton screwed his buddies over, is what he was doing in the end.
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When you use money as a measure of self worth, there is no ‘enough’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I was really hoping he’d go on a random streak of failure this postseason to drive down his price.
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 17, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh
Boras clients have signed bad deals and good deals. I don’t think the Sox as complaining about the deal they got for Beltre or anything.
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I read somewhere that the A’s actually offered a better deal, but Beltre preferred playing for Boston.
He was offered 3 years from Oakland.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah. And then they used the money Beltre rejected to sign Sheets. So instead of making the best signing of the off-season, they ended up making one of the worst.
Maybe it was for the best. We wouldn’t have seen Eric Chavez try to touch Beltre on the head like the Sox players did.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
True
But Oakland’s Pythagorean record was only 6 wins worse than the Rangers. With Beltre at 3B instead of Kouzmanoff and his .283 OBP, they could have had an outside shot at the division.
My bold pick for next year is the A’s for the West (barring any huge FA signings by Texas)
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Good call on Beltre's part.
Playing for one year at the short-porched Fenway, with real live people watching from the stands and on TV, is a far wiser path to riches than would be three years of hitting it to McAfee’s warning track with twelve people in the stands and the East Coast already asleep.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The upcoming A's offseason will be verrry interesting to watch
Billy has assembled one of the best young rotations in baseball, and there are a lot of potential bargain hitters out there on the market. It’ll be fascinating to see what they do.
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If they can get a legit home run threat they would almost be like the Padres this year
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't surprise me
To see them bring in someone like Berkman, or Derrek Lee, or even spin some whacky trade for Prince Fielder or something.
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They have all the tools
Good pitching, speed, defense, just need the dingerz
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't have Cust
He was on a 1-year, I believe.
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Hmm
But IIRC, they actually non-tendered him last year then signed him as a free agent? So doesn’t that mean he’s not subject to the arb process anymore?
It’s confusing. If they have Cust affordably, they might just keep him around – that OBP is hard to replace.
Still, I’m always fascinated watching Beane work.
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He’s under team control until he reaches 6 years in the majors. Torres is under team control for the same reason.
Even if we non-tendered Torres and then subsequently signed him as an FA?
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I wonder how patient they'll be with Carter
Buster Posey>
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Beltre hit better on the road than at home (.314 .359 .521) vs. road (327 .370 .583
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Those aren't hugely different slash lines.
Besides, we’re talking about his decision before the year started. His swing is tailor-made for hitting bombs over the Monster in a powerful lineup; certainly better than it is for Oakland and the A’s.
He was my fantasy 3B this year, so I got a little thrill each time he’d go down to a knee on his follow-through and watch the ball sail into the Boston night.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
(the .521<.583 is pretty hefty, though, you’re right.)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Because I think this team is making a lot more money than its spending
And I think this might finally be the year they open the wallets.
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I still think it’s unlikely. It will take a princely sum to get Werth here, based on his remarks about ATT Park in the past, and crying about it taking his dingers away.
Probably true
But don’t forget that Jason Bay, the second best player in last year’s FA market, took a multi year deal with the Mets – who have an even more epic pitcher’s park.
The thing is, Werth shouldn’t care about his stats, really. This is the one BIG contract that he’s ever going to get, so there’s no reason to go to a hitter’s park just to pump up his stats.
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And look how well that turned out…
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I'm just saying
It might not play in to considerations as much as we think it would.
Werth isn’t going to be thinking about his NEXT contract after this one – he’s thinking about THIS contract. Why would he care about going to a pitcher’s park?
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I don't want Werth
I just want Belt and hold onto our #1 draft picks.
This core group (Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Wilson) expires in 2013, we’ll need the next core group (hopefully Belt, Crawford, Neal, Joseph, Wheeler, and a couple more) up in the Majors by 2014 with Posey and Bumgarner.
And a first round pick will go along way towards that. SF has a nice thing going right now with cost controlled talent starting to come through the system rapidly. Let’s keep the flow going.
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Booo
You’re letting past mistakes blind you to what could be a great signing – Werth was the best hitter on one of the best offensive teams in baseball this year.
And yes, the young core is “expiring” soon – precisely WHY you need to bring in some big-time talent to capitalize on their skills while we still have them. If we don’t win at least one WS with the Tim-Matt-Jon-Madison core, that would be a tremendous waste.
Bring in Werth. Don’t let another season go by where we waste so much good pitching with so little offense.
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I disagree because I don’t believe in signing type A free agents to long term deals. Werth for 2-3 years would be great, but Werth for 5-6 years? No thanks.
He won’t accept at 2-3 year deal, so we shouldn’t even go down that road at all.
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It’s really the age that’s the problem for me. I’m positive that the majority of multi-year deals given to players over 30 turned out to be mistakes (though I don’t know how to prove it). If he were 5 years younger, I’d want him.
If he were 5 years younger
The price would be Holliday-ian.
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7/120 for a 27 y/o with Werth's skill set
I’d definitely do that
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Bingo.
The way baseball has setup the free agent system, you almost never want anybody that is a marquee type A free agent.
Not because they are not good players, but because they are not going to be good players at 34, and since they also know this fact, nobody will sign for less than 5 years.
No thanks to Jason Werth.
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We are thinking about this completely differently
You’re thinking in terms of Werth’s ability to provide value commensurate to his contract.
I’m thinking about it in terms of bringing in players who will help this team win for 2-3 years, while we have our young pitching. If we don’t win a WS in the next 3 years, we’re probably going to have to wait a looong time to try again.
You’re absolutely right, Werth probably isn’t likely to provide full value on whatever contract he’s given.
But there’s every reason to believe that he will continue to be a very very very good baseball player for at least the next 2-3 years, which is precisely when we will need very very good baseball players to back up our pitching.
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Or, more succinctly
For the next couple years, a marginal win for the Giants is worth a hell of a lot more than it is for other teams – and it’s werth (see what I did there?) overpaying for.
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I disagree respectfully
Once you get into the playoffs, it is a toss up. You should never overpay and setup for future failure to improve the odds of winning a world series next year from 7% to 8%.
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You have to make it to the playoffs, too
Believe me, no one subscribes more to the idea of the playoff crapshoot than me.
But Colorado is a very good young team. Beating them for the division will require us to improve next year.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m no idiot – I’m not saying we need to get Werth so that he’ll perform for us in the playoffs. We need to get him to help us get IN to the playoffs for 2-3 years.
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I just don’t think you pay 100M to the next Carlos Beltran to do that. Sorry, difference in opinion here.
You take that 100M and sign 50 Latin America Elite Talents at 2M each over the next 5 years. Your franchise is 5X better off.
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See below
I’d give him no more than 5/80.
And Werth is a million times more of a sure thing than ANY prospect – and we need surer things if we want to capitalize on what we have.
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Fine 80M
sign 40 Latin America Elite Talents.
Franchise is still 4 times better off. Every year brings a new Jason Werth that your farm system can produce.
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There's a reason they're called "Elite" talents
There aren’t just 40 of them sitting around that you can sign.
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um, there are definitely more than 10 great talent per year. Not all 10 will pan out, maybe 2 out of 10, but they are out there.
Only 1 out of 40 needs to pan out to be equal or better than Jason Werth to get 6 years of value in return.
I should rephrase though. It’s more than Latin America. Taiwan’s top high school prospect just signed with the Yankees for ~1M.
It’s Global.
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I would do no more than 5 for Werth
But look – the extra two years are the price you pay for having Werth here for those first 3.
Sometimes a win is worth more than a win. Werth has been a 5 WAR player the past three years. But each of those marginal wins on a team like this one, and all the value he could provide while playing alongside our young core makes the price (assuming for the sake of argument that it’s 5/80 or something) completely worth it.
Flags, as they say, fly forever. Werth is not like Bay last offseason – a good but eminently flawed player with a glaring weakness (defense/speed).
Werth is one of the best players in baseball. We absolutely need someone like him on the team for the next 2-3 years. Sure, the last two years of the contract might suck – but we’re playing for the first 2-3.
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You should read my entire argument here
With the caveat that I would give him no more than 5/80 – an overpay relative to the value he’ll provide, but absolutely worth it to me.
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I am of the opinion that that is around what he will end up getting
I could be wrong.
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Hard to tell
But the Yankees and Red Sox are both interested in him. That should increase his price tag.
I think the Tigers ultimately sign him
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Plus
Dude hits doubles. ATT Park would be a haven for him.
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Dude just hits
He’s really a great player. Getting him would immediately make us the team to beat in the west.
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Our young core mostly expires in 2013 (timmy, sanchy, wilson, cain 2012) and then Posey/Bum in 2015.
I’d be looking for a 3 year deal on a younger impact player, something that doesn’t extend beyond 2013- we need to keep our big 3 starters and closer for awhile. a championship short term isn’t as important to me as being competitive in the long-term.
Think about how much 2005-2009 pretty much sucked. You want to risk going thru that again by signing a big FA that may block the retention of Cain, Sanchy or Timmy in 2013?
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's the thing
There is no such thing as a young impact palyer who’s available and will take 3 years on a deal – the player you say you want doesn’t exist.
If you want to have an impact player for the next 2-3 years, you’re going to have to give a 4-5 year deal. That’s the price you pay.
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then it’s not worth paying the price. no way do i want to risk losing one of the big 3 starters because we were forced to overpay for a big bat.
We put our team together midseason pretty much, when we were 2 games over .500 in July (when bengie was traded, basically), and still won the west- starting from opening day with this team, we should def be able to get into the playoffs, I’d imagine 95 wins is possible.
We all wanted a big bat last year, now we’ve got Huff, Burrell, Ross, Posey. We’ve got enough power as it is. I’d rather save the cash and stay competitive for longer
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to sleep
It’s been a pleasure once again debating Jayson Werth. I have a feeling I will be having this discussion a hundred times this offseason.
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While whether Werth would put up the kind of numbers for us as he did for PHI, I’m wary of being locked into a long-term deal with an 32 year old.
Thank god Rowand and Zito come off the books at the same time Timmy, Sanchy, and Cain will need contract extensions- that will be $30mil well-spent on taking care of the close to $45mil those 3 combined will command.
And priorities to me are Huff, Burrell, Ross before any big-name FAs for the off-season.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Those priorities: an emphatic Yes.
All three now have made it emphatically and publicly clear that they very much want to remain in San Francisco. They should all three be locked up as quickly as can be. Ditto Juan Uribe.
(I would also consider a re-negotiated lower-salary one-year deal with Renteria, but that’s a thread in itself.)
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what people may be forgetting is that we didn’t have Ross, Burrell, Posey, Madbum for half the year, so it made winning the West that much more difficult. With everyone that is currently on the roster here on opening day 2011, we’ve gotta like our chances to win the west again.
If Pablo can return to form, that’s our impact player right there. Yes, it’s a big gamble, but if he returns to form and we sign Werth, we could still always be knocked out of the playoffs in the first round if a couple breaks don’t go our way.
I’d rather be competitive for a long time, than blow money in the short-term. No Jayson Werth type player will guarantee surviving the NLDS, but using the money to lock up pitchers guarantees that we will play in more NLDS’s in the future, thus increasing our chances of winning a championship. Plus, it keeps the team competitive for many, many years to come. I don’t want to go thru 2005-2009 ever again.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
and yes, I would be fine with Juan for 2011. 24 HRs, good arm, decent range, lowish BA? sure.
Not many players make it clear (insert city) is where they want to play out their days- esp players of Ross, Burrell, and Huff’s calibers. They know this lowers their price to the team, they’re not stupid. They’re just happy.
And we shouldn’t sell them short on that.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
If a Hardy, Frucal, Drew type player isn’t available, I don’t see why not retain Juan. He’s only 30, in his prime.
I just don’t see why we should add to the already crowded OF
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
"Want" doesn't come into it.
I want the young Cal Ripken, but he belongs to that segment of shortstops Not Actually Available, a segment somewhat larger than shortstops Actually Available. Being obliged by such unfortunate circumstances as “reality” to have to pick from the smaller category, I reckon that Uribe is about as good as it gets. There are in all of MLB maybe half a dozen shortstops with offense significantly (say more than 10%) better than Uribe’s, and none of them is in the smaller segment. J. J. Hardy—whose net offense is comparable to Uribe’s—is younger, but should the Giants be blowing big bucks to gain that advantage right now when they have other things to think about (and spend money on)?
So the short-form answer is Yes. (Though I still reckon that a colorable case can be made for Renteria if the option year is severely renegotiated.)
I think it a little early to be going on at length about the 2011 Giants, but I think that about all that needs to be done, and indeed that can be done, is in the middle infield, but even there, there is little practical room for drastic improvement.
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Except offense is only part of the game, and Hardy is 7 times the fielder Uribe is. If you’re going to completely ignore defense, you might as well sign Carlos Pena to play SS – he’ll be one of the best hitting SS in the NL!
We understand that.
The question is whether Hardy’s defense, which is scarcely “7 times” better than Uribe’s, is worth spending the difference in dollars between them over this particular winter for this particular team. If the alternatives were carrying Pena or Hardy, that would be one matter; when it is between carrying Uribe or Hardy, that is another. Uribe is not Omar Vizquel, but he is that classic standby, the guy who makes the routine plays.
If none of the shortstops in the Giants organization are suitable for play at the major-league level in 2012 (which I fear will be the case), there is a decent crop of potential free-agent shortstops available then. I reckon that resources are better allocated now by re-upping Uribe, who might not be a hard signing as he has had a heady taste of post-season and is no longer young. It might even, depending on third-party medical evaluations of Renteria’s biceps this winter, be reasonable to also re-up him for a year (though only at a much-reduced price tag and with play-time incentives). The old boy obviously has life in him yet.
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My problem was not with choosing Uribe over Hardy, but with this sentence:
J. J. Hardy—whose net offense is comparable to Uribe’s
Net offense is not interesting; only net value is.
As for the money, I think we just have different ideas about how much Uribe and Hardy are going to get. I don’t think the difference will be that big.
Well, I have no idea how to predict future salaries.
If Hardy could be had for about what Uribe would cost, sure, it’s a no-brainer. But while I am not in a position to be adamant about it, I remain skeptical that that will be the case (especially if there really is a “re-up discount” with Uribe for San Francisco).
And yes, “net value” is the superset of which “net offense” is a component; but I remain convinced that offense is substantially more of a factor in worth than defense, and also that in any event we still have no really accurate (however precise) quantitative measures of the impact of individual fielding abilities. But that’s on a different thread.
(Still, consider: offense on the team level is half the game; unless fielding is 100% of defense, and pitching totally immaterial, offense obviously has to be more important than fielding. How much more important depends on the fraction of team defense that one allocates to pitching versus to fielding; but even if we assume that the fielding is just as important as the pitching—a position I think few if any would endorse—offense is worth twice what fielding is.)
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There’s no doubt that hitting is worth more than fielding. But it doesn’t make fielding insignificant. And ignoring it when one of the players in question is an elite fielder seems ill advised
By the way, I believe the pitching/fielding ratio Tango came up with was 2:1 (I can’t find the article right now), which would make offense 3 times as important as fielding.
Eh.
If I can keep my interest up during the off season, pinning that down better will be one of three or four projects I have in mind. As it stands, I suspect that that ratio overstates the case, and 3:1 (or even greater) sounds more like it.
No one has ever said that fielding is “insignificant”; it is a matter of relative significances. How much a given batter can up a team’s win total is readily calculable: replacing a weak-hitting man with a big bat can, without going to extremes on either the weak or the strong, can easily add three or even four wins a year.
How much will any one given man’s glove difference matter? I do not believe we yet have the tools to assess that with any useful accuracy (though that’s a matter open to discussion). But, in the real world, the number of men actually available to a team—whether in their own organization, as free agents, by trade, or by minor-league or Rule 5 draft—is really rather small, and it would be unusual (to say the least) to have two candidates for a job that have roughly equal-value bats but perceptibly different glove skills; and in such unusual cases, no quantification of the glove skills is needed. If there are two men with greatly differing bat skills, the glove skills are just outweighed, be they as they may. It is only if there are two men such that A has a bat that is better than B’s but only by a moderate amount, while B’s glove is felt to be significantly better than A’s, that fielding matters at all; and even in such rare cases, there will usually be other factors (such as contract size and duration, or player age) that tend to control.
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Think ahead:
Belt will up by no later than 2012, very probably sometime in 2011, and just barely possibly to start 2011. When that happens, either Belt or Huff (probably Huff, as Belt is reckoned a first-class glove at 1B) will go to right field. Regardless of exact position, in lineup effect, Belt is the big-bat RF everyone speaks of. (All this, of course, assumes that Huff is re-upped, which seems both needful and likely.)
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I"m still wary
Of pinning too much hope on a guy with one successful minor league season. Of course I hope Belt will be an impact guy, but it doesn’t change my opinion that acquiring a player who hasn’t had a wOBA lower than .380 for 4 years running would make us a better team.
Look, let’s say we have Burrell in left, Werth in Right, and Huff at 1st. Burrell and Huff were both very bad players very recently, and it’s entirely possible they might become bad again – in which case Belt could replace either one of them at a moments notice. I don’t think Belt should factor in to a decision on Werth, who is one of the better hitters in the game (not to mention his very good defense).
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I don’t even know what to make of Huff anymore. He hasn’t done shit in a long, long time. Considering he was one of the most consistent guys on the team, I’m baffled.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
What "shit" has he not done?
He ended the season with a wonderful line. And his OPS over the final four weeks of the season was actually a hair higher than his full-season OPS. WTF are “shit” and “a long, long time” in your estimation?
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His August SLG% was .388.
Did alright from Sep 1-15th, then from Sept 16th-end of reg season, he had 1 2B, 1 HR, and 1 RBI over 15 games.
no XBH and 1 RBI in the postseason. I know RBI’s are indicative of much- but since he’s hitting 3rd, it at least goes to show he isn’t getting hits when it counts.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you encountered the phrase "SSS"?
It is much used hereabouts.
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What is your counter-suggestion?
Go out and spend big bucks to get a player for a position that you are fairly sure you have covered in the near future on the ground that there is some chance you could be wrong? That is how you reckon probabilities and determine where to place your stakes? Wow, casinos should be sending you comp reservations every week.
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if they retain Ross in the offseason, that’s exactly what they should do.
Either Rowand or Nate will have to go.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Easy choice, that.
Except perhaps for folk from whom the phrase “sunk costs” provokes the response “Gesundheit!”
Thus (lest we forget),
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benching Rowand and keeping Guillen and Zito off the playoff roster may be a sign that they are understanding that salary (and quality of play) doesn’t dictate who stays on who goes.
The upside to dumping Rowand is that since there’s only 2 years left, we may be able to get someone else’s bad contract in return for him. If it’s the same money for a player we could have more use for, I’d be all for it. Tough call, Nate or Rowand. But we’re not there yet. still baseball to play before rosterbating time
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions
No, it's not a tough call at all.
While Schierholtz’s stock with the front office may have sunk, the truth is that we still don’t know his real capabilities when played regularly, and there are good indications that they might be pretty good; but we already know all we need to about Rowand.
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seeing as the direction this team has taken (ie, too many OFers anyways) and we all know he isn’t in the plans as an everyday OFer for 2011, though maybe as a backup. We know he’s not a Ross/Torres/Burrell caliber type player, but you’re right, we do know what we need to about Rowand.
Therefore, it’s a tough call. This team is obviously making a push to be in the playoffs every year, and we all know the front office won’t use a starting spot for 2011 to “see what he can do”, not when the spot can be filled with someone like Ross.
You’re telling me you’d rather play Nate all year, who hasn’t shown power, average or consistency, over Ross, so we can see what he can do? he’s been given a ton of opportunities over the years- and hasn’t done anything impressive with the chances he’s been given.
He has been here for 2 years, maybe 3, not sure, yes Bork should have played him more so we would know, but that time has come and gone. The team is moving fast and frankly, I don’t think Nate is good enough to be a starter on the team that we have now built.
2011 isn’t the year to fiddle with playing guys who might perform, not with a proven RFer on the bench (Ross)- it’s to win games with guys who have made the most of their opportunities.
Personally, I don’t think Nate is a starting RFer on any playoff-caliber team. He has shown very little power, which hasn’t been consistent. His hitting is sporadic at best.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
We are presently involved in the 2010 post-season.
Arguments Discussions about the merits and demerits of various players, present and possible, for 2011 are better reserved for after the Giants’ World Series celebrations die down.
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Sabes needs to take him to the Grand National Rodeo at the Cow Palace after Game 4, buy him a few drinks, then get him to sign an affordable multi-year contract.
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I think 2/10 would be reasonable
Given what he figure to make in arb. Even 3/15 would be justifiable based on past performance.
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Ross is a very good player in a (statistically) down year. 3/21 would be well worth it.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m in on the outfield staying the same as it is for this postseason next year. If Burrell gets hurt or explodes due to age, move Cody to left and play Nate
by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on Oct 17, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
or bring up Belt, and Huff goes to right
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Like others have said
After winning Game 1 this one felt like we were playing with house money. I am going to be way more of a nervous wreck during the home games.
If there’s a Game 6 in Philly, it’ll be Sanchez vs. Oswalt again, and it’ll be starting at 3:57 Eastern Time. Unless it’s a cloudy day, hitters and fielders are going to be completely fucked by the shadows for a good six or seven innings. Expect 35 to 40 strikeouts.
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Just read that Rent has been playing with torn biceps muscle
ZOMG
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
That's especially amazing considering this article on ESPN today:
Shannon Briggs displayed enormous heart during his lopsided loss to heavyweight titlist Vitali Klitschko on Saturday, and it landed him in the hospital.
Klitschko hit the former two-time titleholder repeatedly with flush right hands almost at will throughout his title-retaining shutout decision in Hamburg, but Briggs would not go down.
Now, he is in Hamburg’s Eppendorf University Hospital with a broken left orbital bone in his face, a broken nose and a torn left biceps, Empire Sports and Entertainment promoter Greg Cohen told ESPN.com.
“He was banged up pretty bad,” Cohen said, shortly after arriving back in New York on Sunday. “The CT scan came back normal, thank God. Shannon wants to get out of there as soon as possible, but he’ll be there for a little bit longer. He’s devastated. He really thought he was going to win.”
Cohen said the biceps injury was the most severe.
“His biceps is a very serious injury and they have to do surgery, and he’ll probably be there for a week,” Cohen said. “It might require more than one surgery.”
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
I’ve heard Giants fans cheer like that.
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that was a loud cheer. if they have, it’s not like I’m defending that
by kingofthacove on Oct 17, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Holier-than-thou-fans attitudes are meh
All fans can be bad.
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So? The Phillies’ fans are, on average, worse than most.
It’s like saying you can’t make fun of Florida fans not showing up to games, because all fans sometimes miss game.
Phillies fans are in the bottom of the barrel with Red Sox, Mets and Yankees fans, and the bad half of Ciub fandom.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
except they're not
They’ve been filling up that park since it opened, they’re widely acknowledged to be on a whole some of the most knowledgeable fans out there. I’d argue that the media’s storyline — Philly fans are thugs — is a self-perpetuating storyline. Every time anything happens that’s remotely Philly-fan related, it makes national news. The same things happen elsewhere and you barely hear about it. Thus the myth perpetuates. You take 30 seconds to google the actual “they threw snowballs at Santa” story and you realize the whole thing is completely out of context, but why bother googling when you can whip out that chestnut anytime you wanna rag on the fans? Giants fans do the same thing. If Caine throws high and inside to Victorino tomorrow, they’ll go nuts. I guarantee it.
What context does there need to be in order for fans to throw snowballs at Santa? Was he molesting the mascot or something?
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Tis a tale lost in the mists of legend!
First of all, I think we’re talking about 1968 or so here, so this is 40+ years ago. Second, this is the end of another putrid Eagles season and everyone hates the tightfisted owner. So it’s before Christmas and the Eagles have hired a guy to pretend to be Santa and run around the field. But the guy doesn’t show up for whatever reason. So the management pulls a drunk, skinny 22-year-old who happens to be wearing a dime-store santa outfit out of the stands and he commences to stumble around the stadium, only to have the fed-up fans pelt him with snowballs.
They did not throw snowballs at the actual Santa Claus. This was not the man who brings you gifts. This was a absolutely hammered kid in a terrible Santa suit, and the last straw for a long suffering fanbase. You would have thrown snowballs too.
I am ready to dispel any other Philly fan myths upon request, although I can’t really mount a defense for that fat guy who puked on the little girl, other than the fact that he was from Jersey, and we all know how those people are.
The 1968 point is that people still bring it up...
As part of the media narrative about bad Philly fans, when in fact most Philly fans were either not alive or kids when that happened.
Well, two leaders were assassinated and everybody got the Hong Kong flu
Just off the top of my head. Eagles fans throwing snowballs at Santa wouldn’t have budged the needle.
Plus, different times
Taking a slushie in the mush or earhole was common practice. I remember snowstorms where that went on for days on end. Helped you fine tune your retaliatory aim.
Because when there's snow in the stands people throw snowballs
And when there’s an awful drunk playing santa, he deserves to get hit with snowballs. Which part of that is confusing?
How about the time when a Flyers fan threw a stink bomb on the Devils bench during a hockey game two years ago?
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49’ers fans getting pummeled with snowballs. Kudos to the guy in the red coat for shielding them.
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when there's snow in the stands people throw snowballs
And I’d bet money those guys provoked it. Obviously not excusing it, but I’ve been to dozens of eagles and phillies games, and folks rooting for opposing teams have no issues at all unless they’re obnoxious about it.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Completely agree, but you know, I won’t cheer because of anything Victorino did against the Giants, just on principle.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
EVERYONE DOES IT!!!!!!
no, I guarantee you’d just get a lot of “OOOHS” not clapping.
by kingofthacove on Oct 18, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If a Giants pitcher throws high and tight?
I think you’re being optimistic, but we shall see.
"They’ve been filling up that park since it opened"
Check out the years before they started making the playoffs. The first year went pretty well – 3.25 million. But in 2005 and 2006, they drew 2.67 million and 2.70 million. Those weren’t unsuccessful teams, either. The 2005 team finished one game out of the wild card, but the team was 9th in the NL in attendance.
And check out what the attendance was like in the old stadium. From 1997 to 2003, the best the attendance was was 10th in the NL. The 2001 team finished 2 games out of first, but the Pirates drew nearly 700,000 more fans. The Pirates lost 100 games that year.
This is not what a devoted fan base looks like.
It's important to note that there's past history here. He's a Phillie-killer.
Cody Ross is to the Phillies what the Hairstons are to the Giants. He’s been doing this to them for years.
So he got buzzed a little? Wha’eva. Let them cheer. It obviously didn’t affect him.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve heard the Mets hate Ross, too.
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hopefully the entire NL West will hate Ross by the end of next year ;)
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
JeffFletcherAOL Jeff Fletcher
Juan Uribe said he was hoping to play in Game 3. Said he didn’t even try to swing during the game. Tests on Monday in SF.
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My feelings on tonight's game
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 17, 2010 10:06 PM PDT reply actions
Joba is looking a little chubby there
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by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
just there?
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 17, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Always, but I haven’t really seen him pitch in a long time.
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
ftfy
JabbaJoba is looking a little chubby there
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by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Joe Buck is trending on Twitter right now. Apparently a lot of Phillies fans are convinced Joe and Tim are biased towards the Giants.
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Don't you have to know about a team in order to be biased toward them?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Late on this and it would be incredible but never happen...
You send alternate groups calling home/away games. Send either your color guy or play by play guy out of town to call the game with the opponents complimentary announcer. Switch when the series comes back.
As long as it’s not Chris Wheeler or TMac
by SuburbanElite on Oct 18, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
lolwat?!
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by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This true with every national broadcast and every fanbase. Fans think the broadcasters are biased against there team.
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THIS THIS THIS
Buck and McCarver can suck without being biased.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Same with umpires
In reality, both the announcers and umpires are just incompetent.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 17, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This is because people are used to listening to a broadcast that is completely biased toward their team, so hearing a more neutral broadcast makes it seem like they’re rooting for the other side.
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What I'd like . . .
. . . is a Fox broadcast completely biased toward baseball, instead of its being treated as a junk sport like dwarf tossing, only fit to fill in time gaps on Fox between football games. Buck was very, very obviously far more interested in the Eagles than in the silly and boring baseball game wasting his precious time.
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by owlcroft on Oct 17, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Serious
Find some damn announcers that at least have a passing fancy in baseball.
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May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, the lights were on last night when the Phillies were playing and the Eagles weren't
I wondered why that was the case, but none of the one persons who heard me knew.
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this is true
They’re both awful announcers.
This is also why FOXNEWS and MSNBC.
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by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
hmmm NO!
They’re definitely more in favor of Philly. Mostly because it would mean higher ratings for the World Series
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet if you watched it as a fan not of either team, you find they are NOT in favor of Philly.
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ugh stupid enter button.
I’m mostly just grumpy because i miss Kruk and Kuip
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it seemed worse
last night because the Phillies’ half of the first went on so long. Instead of talking about something else to break things up, like Jon/Dave and even Kruk/Kuip will, they ran the “Verducci backstory filedump” executable. Every time someone backed out of the box or Guapo stepped off the rubber, you got another fascinating story about the Phillies. “Ryan Howard went to a football game today!!!”
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions
No they aren't.
They’re in favor of bad commentary.
Meh game
But still a little optimistic with the series going back to SF
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
My extensive experience with postseason heartbreak indicates that every loss this time of year hurts 15.68 times more than a regular-season loss.
I feel like I’m kinda used to it because of the sharks always losing in the playoffs
by hautecouture on Oct 17, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Today bummed me out
I was hoping the Giants could use the momentum from last night, but they looked flat instead. Gotta give credit where credits due. Roy Oswalt played well. Sanchez, not so much. I had a feeling we weren’t going to win in the 1st inning. Bases Loaded. Gave up a stupid run because Sanchez decided to throw balls instead of strikes.
Well, fear not guys. We’re back home for three games. Winning two out of three gives us a legitimate chance to win the series.
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
BTSC proud ENFORCER!!
You've been Timminized by Tim Lincecum!
"No one on this team is Troy Polamalu. When God made him, he touched him a couple of extra times." -Safety Ryan Clark-
Sanchez was as good as we could have hoped
If not in process than in results.
My Son
I’m Owlcroft. Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
OMG really? we get 3 in a row at home? seriously, that’s a relief! I thought we had 2 at home and then 2 back to Philly and game 7 (if needed) at home-I know, sounds dumb when I say it out loud but, whatever. whew, I like this way much better :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
no silly, its 3 in a row at Mays Field!
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 17, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I said if we can win two out of three at home
Chris Andersen could be in a porno with his 'stache. Too bad he still wouldn't know how to box out.
BTSC proud ENFORCER!!
You've been Timminized by Tim Lincecum!
"No one on this team is Troy Polamalu. When God made him, he touched him a couple of extra times." -Safety Ryan Clark-
so what you’re saying is my n00b is showing again? DANG! that’s twice in one night WTF! :o(
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Sanchez pitched well. He could have pitched better, but the offense was the problem. And Fontenot. And the fact that we played a good team who was playing well.
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 17, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Just got back from the park
Torres looked awful even from my view in center field. Oswalt pitched well. Fontenot should not be starting.
Was Rollins’ infield fly single any clearer on TV? From the park it seemed like Fontenot was the last one to back off the ball, as if he’d called for it and then pulled up for some reason. Any blame to lay on that one?
aww! didn’t mean to kick you while you’re down :o( thanks for representin’ the orange and black!!!! :o) (you’ll see I’m trying desperately to stay positive in light of what’s happened this evening)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
No worries. Just remember that on Friday we’d all be ecstatic with a split in Philly before heading to SF.
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 18, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It didn’t look like he called for it. He mumbled something and then started looking around.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Oct 17, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez seemed to be yelling “Font! Font!” and everyone else backed off. Then Fontenot looked at Posey and lost the ball.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was yelling "Huff" "Huff"
McCarver was complaining that you can’t look at one guy and yell for the other guy to catch it, which seemed to indicate to me that he was yelling Huff also, but McCarver’s an idiot, so take it with a grain of salt.
"Fontenot should not be starting."
Not at third base, and certainly not at shortstop. At second, he is a fine choice, arguably a better one than FSanchez. He is supposed to be vulnerable to LHP, but I reckon that’s just a matter of not having had a chance to see much of it—a literally self-fulfilling prophecy. I could see him as the everyday second baseman in 2011 if something could be had for FSanchez. (Though there’s still the question of where the forgotten man, DeRosa, might best be used in 2011.)
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I'd use DeRosa everywhere
1st, 2nd, 3rd, LF…kinda like how the Orioles used Ty Wigginton (but with LF included)
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
And if both Sanchez and Fontenot are starting, as they were today, I’m not sure that Fontenot is the one who should be playing 3B – he’s started just under 50 games at the position in his career; Sanchez started 150.
On the other hand, Sanchez hasn’t played it in a few years, so maybe recent experience beats more experience.
I'm never sure I'm reading these fielding stats correctly, but . . .
. . . it looks like FSanchez wasn’t a very good third baseman. In 151 games started, it looks like his “Rtot/year” (Total Zone fielding runs above average per season) is +33. By comparison, Uribe (at 3B) is +9, and Sandoval is -3, making him the best of the lot (by that metric: I don’t really put much faith in any of them).
I’m for—in this post-season, anyway—Sandoval at 3B and a FSanchez/Fontenot platoon at 2B, using either Uribe or Renteria at short.
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+ is good (it’s runs saved above average). +33 means he’s the best of the three (which makes sense, since he’s clearly a better fielder than Uribe, who is clearly a better fielder than Sandoval).
151 games isn’t a very reliable sample size, though. Anyway, like I said – if Sanchez and Fontenot both play, I think Sanchez should be at 3B. Generally in the playoffs I’d prefer Fontenot/Uribe/Sandoval against RHP, and Sanchez/Renteria/Uribe against LHP.
Next year Fontenot should probably replace Uribe as the super-utility infielder.
If you're quite sure . . .
. . . I’ll accept that. But the labelling at Baseball-Reference.com is thoroughly ambiguous: “The total number of runs above or below average the fielder was worth . . . .” That, to me, would imply that a plus number is runs above average attributable to the man’s fielding (and vice-versa for negative). For example, I have trouble believing that FSanchez is a vastly better third baseman than second baseman (+33 at 3B vs. -3 at 2B). Spot-checking a couple of Gold Glovers was no help, as “Rtot/year” has each close to zero (low single digits).
I continue to feel that all these measures aren’t worth the electrons they’re carried by. I still reckon the Giants are better off right now, all in all, with Sandoval at 3B and either FSanchez or Fontenot, depending on pitcher handedness, at 2B.
In light of Fontenot’s skills, I’d be reluctant to have him take over Uribe’s role: I’d prefer the Giants simply re-up Uribe, and keep Fontenot at 2B. (They could then trade FSanchez if anything at all good opportunity presents itself.) But that sort of thing is for later in the year.
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Well, I’ve seen you make two unrelated arguments against defensive stats – one based on team BABIP, which (I think you’ll agree…?) was refuted (as it seemed to be the result of an error in the formula you used to translate hits into runs), the other one based on the more common criticisms of fielding stats. I replied to it, but I don’t know if you saw my reply – your points made sense, but I don’t see how you jumped from them to the conclusion that all fielding stats are completely worthless.
Fielding stats are not particularly accurate. Think of them as you do of AVG. AVG is a very misleading stat that ignores extremely important aspects of hitting. It overrates some hitters and underrates others. It’s also very unpredictable – it can fluctuate wildly from year to year. You might ignore it, because you have 107 better stats with which to evaluate hitters. But let’s say you didn’t – let’s say you only had AVG. Would you ignore it? You’d be foolish to do so – AVG is a poor evaluator of hitters compared to other stats, but it is most definitely not useless. After all, the top 10 hitters of the past 3 years based on AVG, in descending order, are: Mauer, Pujols, Ichiro, Hamilton, Holliday, Ramirez, Cabrera, Voto, Youkillis, Pedroia.
Is that the “correct” list? No, there are some clear mistakes there. But one can not ignore the fact that all of these hitters are good hitters. In fact, if you were to make a correct list, based on the best stat available, the result would be pretty similar – by my count all but two players (Ichiro and Pedroia) would appear on the correct list too.
So it’s clearly not useless, at least as long as you know how to use it – for example, knowing that there is essentially no difference between a .270 hitter .285 hitter, especially in a year’s worth of sample size (just like there’s not much difference between a +4 and +7 UZR) – but that there’s probably a difference between a .260 hitter and a .310 hitter, especially over a significant number of seasons.
Sean Smith used Total Zone – a simpler, less accurate version of stats like UZR – and looked up the careers of every single player since 1956 in this two part article. His findings: Willie Mays, Ozzie Smith, Keith Hernandez, Brooks Robinson, Frank White, Roberto Clemente, and Carl Yastrzemski were apparently really, really good fielders. Sensational, I know.
If you were to assemble an all-defense team based on Total Zone – that is, to build a lineup that has the best 1B of all times, best 2B of all times, etc. – not a single one of the 8 players in the lineup would have fewer than 7 Gold Gloves. How could a stat that isn’t worth the electrons it’s carried by come to conclusions that so clearly match the general consensus among baseball experts?
Whoa, there, big fella.
One at a time.
I have not yet had the time to do a more detailed analysis of runs caused by differences in fielding, but it remains so that team-level BABIPs do not vary much from team to team or year to year. In 2010, the New York Yankees made outs 76.1% of the time that outs were available to be made by the fielders (that includes outs made on runners already on base) and the Pittsburgh Pirates made them 71.3% of the time; the MLB average was 73.9%. On a team level, the difference from very best to very worst was 4.8% (.048). The average MLB staff put 4,310 balls in play. Those are definite facts.
From there, we can try a very broad-brush look like this: the difference from best to worst is, roughly, 207 more or fewer runners on base (.048 × 4310). If, as a very, very broad-brush rule of thumb, we say one of every three men who reach base scores, that’s about 69 runs, which (using another rule of thumb, 10 runs per win) is about 7 games. So the best in the game and the worst in the game are each about 3½ games different from average. Since that’s very best to very worst on a team basis, exactly how much difference do we really think any one player is contributing to the net win capability of a team based on his glove? But the difference between a mediocre batter and a strong batter at any one position can easily be 3½ games’ worth, or even more.
Next, I have never said that “all fielding stats are completely worthless”. No stat is worthless, but some are worth more than others. When the leading creators of fielding stats themselves freely admit that there are serious problems with them (I don’t have the links at hand, but I’ve posted them before), I think we have to say that all we can do with them at this stage in their evolution is take them as crude, broad-brush indicators. They don’t (usually) point to bad fielders as good ones or vice-versa; but we are mad if we try to take them as a valid basis on which to run meaningful numeric comparisons of the overall (offense+defense) worth of a given player. Fifteen years ago I phrased it as “ash trumps leather”. Earlier this year, I used—in a different connection—the phrase “precisely inaccurate”, referring to the too-widely held belief among some soi-disant analysts that results are as accurate as the precison with which you can calculate them. If I say that the game started at 7:36:08 pm, I am being extraordinarily precise, but if the game actually started somewhere around 1:07 pm, I am not being awfully accurate. Fielding stats today can be made terrifically precise, but there are strong grounds to believe that they aren’t awfully accurate. Not, to repeat, wildly wrong, just not accurate enough for calculations that are supposed to be useful in making real-world decisions about assembling ball clubs.
Incidentally, there have been an awful lot of Gold Gloves handed out over the years to players who many think did not deserve them.
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Look, we’ve had this discussion before. If we use Linear Wights, 207 non-HR hits, assuming the 3:1 singles to doubles ratio we see in baseball, are worth 112 runs, which isn’t particularily close to 69. So even before adressing anything else in your post, you just seem to be making basic mathematical errors here.
I’m sure you have your arguments against Linear Weights too, but, seeing that Linear Weights were invented by arguably the leading sabermetrician around, and, more importantly, are wildly accepted in the sabermetric community, I think the burden of proof is completely on you to explain why you think your way is better.
Parts of the last paragraph are true, though the 1st sentence just seems like a lie; I’ve seen you say the stats aren’t worth the paper they’re written on – hell, I just linked to it a couple of comments up – why would you deny that?
Let's look.
In the National league in 2011, there were 98,800 plate appearances. The NL-average OBP was .324, which signifies 32,011 runners reaching base. There were 11,211 runs scored. The ratio of runs scored to runners reaching base was thus 0.350, which is credibly close (within 5%, to be exact) to saying that “one of every three men who reach base scores”.
In fact, if we subtract home runs from both runners reaching base and from runs scored—because “balls in play” expressly excludes home runs—we find that the ratio of non-HR runners reaching base who eventually score is only 0.297 (8,807/29,607). That is nontrivially less than “one in three”.
Thus, we can conclude that, on average, at most 62 (it calculates to 61.5) runs will result from 207 extra non-HR base runners. Which isn’t particularly close to 112.
How Linear Wights or Linear Weights can arrive at over double that figure would be interesting to know, but that’s what the actual, real-world 2010 data show (and other years are, of course, highly similar.)
Look, I’ll throw out a lifeline. Having some extra runners will somewhat raise the effective OBP, so a few more men will come to the plate over the season, which will somewhat boost that 61.5 runs figure. But, though I haven’t taken the time to program a script to calculate it, I’d have a very, very hard time believing that it would double it. Wouldn’t you?
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Again – you’ve already made this point, and it’s already been shown to be false. Can you really not see what’s wrong with this? You’re only looking at the percentage of hits that would result in runs scored, completely ignoring the fact that those hits would also drive in runs.
If we were to use your method in order to come up with a run value for a HR, we’d get exactly 1 run – HR’s always result in 1 run scored. But to say that a HR is worth only 1 run is absurd – it is always worth at least one run, but it’s sometimes – many times – worth more, since it can drive in up to 3 extra runners. This is simply an obvious mistake, and it’s already been pointed out.
And, again: Linear Weights are universally accepted in the sabermetric community, and are derived from actual baseball games. What reason do you have to ignore them?
Not so.
The 35% figure has that built in, so to speak. That does not say that a home run produces only one run: it says that a batter who hits a home run only scores once.
Broadly speaking, there is an “RBI factor” that determines the percentage of runners reaching base who eventually score; the most simplistic form of that factor is just the rate of TB to PA, which is what Bill James (among others, as is now mostly forgotten) used. But simplistic as it is, it actually captures the great majority of the effect. Thirty or so years ago, in my book, I published a “for idiots” version of a run-scoring formula that involved only three stats: AB, BB, and TB—but that formula has only about a 3% error rate, whereas the most complex and finely tuned modern ones only get down to maybe 2.3%.
When you add a marginal number of extra base runners by less than optimal fielding, that number is men all available to be scored by the batters behind them. But the extent to which they raise the team’s overall “RBI factor” is relatively small, probably because it is to some extent “washhed out” by the runner-advance events that occur anyway in any given inning. And it is crucial to remember that the inning is the atomic level of scoring: what happens outside an inning has nothing to do with scoring within it. A runner who reaches base because the left fielder didn’t quite get to his ball is at once a potential run; but the extent to which his safety advances other men is not necessarily going to advance runners to home who otherwise mightn’t have reached home, because other events in the inning also advance men.
To be simplistic again, if his dubious single advanced a previous runner from second to third, and the man behind him hits a home run, one extra run has scored—the man on by error—but no one else scores who wouldn’t have anyway. That is a particular case, and perhaps in other cases his safe-on-error might score a run that wouldn’t have otherwise scored; but when the wash dries, the effect on runner advance is not much compared to the increase in the stock of runners available to score.
One of these days, sometime after the season is done, I’ll work up a PHP script to do the whole thing aright, and we’ll see what we’ll see.
As to Linear Weights, going into what’s right and wrong there might take next to forever, so I’ll skip it. But aside from saying “Well Linear Weights says something different”, what other critique do you offer of the analysis offered in my prior post? Which uses numbers “derived from actual baseball games”.
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A correction.
Rather obviously, the passage “three stats: AB, BB, and TB” should read “four stats: AB, BB, H, and TB”. Sorry about that: sheer carelessness. For the curious, the full thing was:
(H + BB) x TB x 4040 -------------------- (AB - H) x (AB + BB)
(Applied to 2010 SF stats, it predicts 705 runs scored; the Giants actually scored 697, making that crude little 30-year-old toy accurate to under 1.15% error for this one sample.)
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That is, indeed, impressive
In case you’re interested, Linear Weights did very slightly better, predicting 693 runs.
OK
Let’s put this one to bed:
Using your formula, the Giants were “worth” 705 runs this year.
If we were to subtract 207 hits from the Giants’ total, as well as 269 Total Bases (1.25 × 207, since, like I wrote, 1 in 4 non-HR hits is a 2B), then, using the same formula, the Giants would be worth 529 runs (I’m not going to post the calculations – I’m sure you can do them yourself in 5 seconds if you don’t trust mine). The difference is 176 runs! I repeat – 176 runs. It’s not even close to being in the same ballpark as the 69 runs you cited. Not. Even. Close.
Linear Weights, on the other, puts the difference at 175 runs (113 runs for the hits, like I showed in the previous comments, and 62 negative runs for 207 outs). That’s right – the difference is one run.
So there is no disagreement here. No point in arguing about formulas – they agree. The difference between 207 hits on balls in play and 207 outs is approximately 175 runs. I have no idea how in the world you reached such wrong conclusions, but it doesn’t matter – your own formula proves you wrong beyond any reasonable doubt.
I know you very rarely change your mind about anything. But you consider yourself, I believe, a man of science – or at least of reason – and your refusal to admit that you’re wrong here is really becoming silly. This isn’t a matter of opinion like most of the other things we discuss – to deny that you’re wrong here is to argue that 2 + 2 = 5.
I think I explained what I find wrong in your analysis in the comment I linked to.
I don’t really understand what’s your point regarding advancing runners. There’s no doubt that advancing runners is not as important as producing runners (which is no surprise, considering that’s the single most important thing in baseball), but that doesn’t mean it’s not important. Yes, in the case you described, it’s irrelevant. In other cases it’s not. Those cases are less common, but they’re not terribly rare. You haven’t really explained why you think of them as insignificant.
There’s the issue of ignoring the outs – 207 extra outs means 207 fewer PA’s; 207 PA’s produce, on average, 5 home runs, and 62 additional baserunners. Those baserunners – using your method – produce 22 runs (.35 × 62), which gives us a total of 27 runs. So, even ignoring all the other problems I have with your method, you are off by slightly under 3 wins just by ignoring outs.
And then there’s the smaller issue of ignoring the difference between hits and walks, as explained in my linked comment.
Basically, you seem to be ignoring a lot of small – but not insignificant – issues, and they end up adding up to a pretty big mistake.
Whatever RBI factor you’re using is leading you to conclusions that are plainly impossible.
Think it through slowly. We have a hypothetical batter who has reached base because a fielder couldn’t quite make the play. We know he now has about a 30% chance of coming around to score, so the missed play is going to cost the other team 0.30 runs to start with. But we also know that many plate appearances (around half, in fact) take place with runners on base. Which means our 0.30-run baserunner’s initial hit is often going to score someone else. Which means that to calculate the average cost of that missed play, we need to add the batter’s chance of scoring to the earlier baserunners’ chances of scoring.
Around 27% of plate appearances take place with a runner in scoring position. A missed play by a fielder is going to score that runner (or runners) the overwhelming majority of the time. So right off the bat, you need to add 0.25 or so to the 0.30 you started out with — and now that missed play is worth 0.55 runs.
There’s more to be added, but clearly the one-in-three figure cannot be accurate.
Re-reading, I see that you’re hanging your hat on the idea that nearly all of those 0.25 runners who scored would have scored anyway. Preposterous in light of the fact, which you keep stressing, that a mere 30% of baserunners actually score.
We all know owlcroft never admits being wrong, but really, this one is different. I can’t see how anything other than some deep bias could have lead him to such obviously – and provably – wrong conclusions. Everybody makes mistakes, but this is pure mathematical analysis of basebal: it’s right in his wheelhouse. When it comes to number-crunching, I’d trust a drunk, sleep-deprived owlcorft more than myself. If I can prove him wrong, something isn’t right.
No matter how much he knows about baseball, it’s becoming increasingly hard to take anything he says about new stats seriously (at this point, it’s almost impossible). He seems to just dislike them for the sake of disliking them.
Well, it’s a little counterintuitive to think that a simple one-base hit could be worth nearly three-quarters of a run.
But still, if you simulate an inning, or even if you start goofing around with the simple, 30-years-old runs created formula — turning one of a given player’s outs into a hit, that sort of thing — you quickly discover that it really does work that way. So I dunno.
I mean, I cite Linear Weights to prove my point. He doesn’t like it, and suggests his own formula – and that formula says the exact same thing! Did he never actually test it? Just from using every year to evaluate offense you’d think he’d have to get a pretty good sense of how many runs a hit is worth.
This year the Giants added 0 (!) hits, 93 walks, and 103 Total Bases compared to last year. That’s the difference between a horrible offense and an average one. Knowing that – and he does know it – how could he possibly insist, over months, that 200 hits and 270 Total bases are only worth 70 runs? It’s absurd.
For what it's worth
UZR says Freddy’s a better 3B than 2B too, +16 and +5 over his career respectively. Fontenot (in a smaller sample at each) is at -11 for 3B and +7 for 2B, and again the plus here is indicating better than average, minus is worse than.
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 18, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting.
That Fontenot is probably a somewhat better-than-average second baseman and a not-very-good third baseman will scarcely surprise anyone, but that FSanchez is such a great defender at third seems hard to accept. He has started 151 games at 3B, about 20% of all his games. That’s roughly one full season’s worth, but scattered over nine seasons (the great bulk of it, however, was in the 2005/2006 period in Pittsburgh).
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spent most of his time trying to pin it on Guapo. “Gee Tim, in your day didn’t pitchers just take that ball themselves…”
Fontenot was closest, Posey and Huff were pretty much waiting for him to take it.
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by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand what Buck is trying to say (if the ball is right in front of the pitcher, it should be his responsibility), but disagree with the way he said it. It has nothing to do with Jonathan Sanchez and everything to do with the way pitchers are trained to field their position. Basically, the only balls they are told to field are those that other infielders cannot reach. I don’t see why you would hold Sanchez responsible for the way all 30 MLB teams conduct their business.
Thing C
Kuiper said something about that too on the radio side, he said Jonathan could have caught it himself since he was right there but he didn’t press the issue.
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Just a pure guess, but the reasoning for this may have nothing to do with a pitcher’s abilities to catch a lazy popup, and more to do with not wanting your pitcher getting bulldozed by an infielder who doesn’t hear a call off. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on that. Just seems to me to be a way to protect the harder to replace pieces of the puzzle.
From my experience the mindset of position players should be, “get the hell out of the way and let one of us athletes catch it.”
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Losing sucks but
losing 6-1 is a hell of lot easier to handle than a 2-1 game.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Especially this one. There’s one clearly defined goat. The Phillies nearly soiled themselves with their outfield play. We made some solid contact. Our starter recovered from a very poor first inning and kept us in it. Bullpen’s happen. The larger objective was achieved. It should be a fairly good mood on the plane when the team flies back.
The only negatives aside from not being 2-0 are that we showed them the entire bullpen and the Uribe hand question.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
If they see Mota, it’s already too late for us.
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Splitsville never looked so good!
Giants will NEVER win a game 2 (see: 2000, 2002, 2003, 2010 – and that’s just on my watch) – so this one rolls of pretty easy.
Lee Harvey threw a good game and the ball didn’t bounce our way.
I think the mindset of the team on the flight right now has to be pretty positive. There were some good things to take from this loss.
Nice to see so many friendly faces at the Public House tonight! Since it’ll be Giants in 5, I look forward to a meet-up for game 3 or 4 of the World Series.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 17, 2010 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
Nope
The Giants went up 2-0 in the 2002 NLCS.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
you are correct.
though they did lose both game 2’s in the LDS and WS
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Oct 17, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
predicate linez
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Oct 17, 2010 11:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Bochy said “Torres, you’re gonna be through
If you don’t stop waving thru sliders with the count at 0-2”
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
Very well done.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
My World Series preferences
1) Giants over Yankees
2) Giants over Rangers
3) Rangers over Giants
4) Yankees over Giants
5) Rangers over Phillies
6) Phillies over Yankees
7) Phillies over Rangers
8) Yankees over Phillies
I’m not really sure about any of those except Numbers 1, 2, and 8. Would yet another National League Champions banner be worth putting up with Yankees fans hooting at me triumphantly? Could I handle the Giants losing the World Series to yet another AL West team that Fox will bump for reruns of House?
What are y’all’s thoughts?
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 17, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions
Yankees fans are scum.
That is all.
31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500
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by S.F. Giangst on Oct 17, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I only hate intolerant people
and the Dutch, they’re the worst.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
1) Giants over whoever
2) who cares
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah this.
Well. I would add the addendum to No. 2: “Except the Yankees”
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
/shift-A
Meh, that game wasn’t fun.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 17, 2010 11:52 PM PDT reply actions
Hi Chop! are they taking good care of you while I’m gone?DId you make it to all the new threads? :o)
AT&T Park and Disneyland-so much magic inside!
Yep. Everything’s been running smoothly and I haven’t missed any new threads! Well, except for this one, but I had to leave to go back to school when this was posted.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 17, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks! :D
I'm still in the old thread.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 18, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
Goodnight all.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I'll jettison Fontenot at AT&T Park, but I don't think it's looking good.
I voted for Fontenot the other day and defended my selection. Now that he’s reached his level of mediocrity, and given Sandoval’s superior numbers at home, I’m willing to reconsider.
But how do you play Sandoval against Hamels, a lefty? If Uribe can’t go, Bochy might not have a choice. But what a horrible choice!
All this and Andres Torres in a woeful slump are more significant than this home field advantage.
Giants aren’t going to win all 3 home games. Maybe in spite of all, they take 2 of 3. They HAVE to take 2. We all agree on that, I’m sure.
What does that mean? It means that the Giants go back to Philly and they HAVE to take Game 6. They have ONE chance in Philly, not 2, under those circumstances. Because when does the visiting team ever win Game 7 in the post-season?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 18, 2010 12:22 AM PDT reply actions
Hey guys, man that game was frustrating. So, so many mistakes, and I started to lose it.
I’d like to see Andres start on Tues because his OF presence is worth more than Rowand possibly would be with the bat.
Fontenot, he’s just gotta sit. That’s 3 errors (actually 2, but the pop-up was on him). So Pablo’s D isn’t worse than Fontenots is at this point, and his has tremendous upside if he’s being patient. All that can change in an instant, as we’ve seen, but with the question of defense answered, he was far more upside.
Sorry if I got any of you riled it calling for heads, I just hate to see that kind of breakdown happen in such an important game.
And Bork, he’d been doing so well making good decisions lately. He just doesn’t seem to put people (read: relievers) in a position to succeed. I won’t rehash it all, but the IBBs, and esp bringing a known-to-be-wild Casilla in with the bases juiced wasn’t a good idea.
Despite Bork, I still think we can win this thing. The series is only 1-1, after all. Hopefully we see Torres start (maybe hitting from the right side will do him some good, left side looks like a total loss right now) and Panda start. Fontenot was a disaster.
And can we please get a fucking ump who is at the very least competent? I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
3 errors over the last 3 games (the throwing error to 2nd in ATL was game 4, right?), sorry didnt clarify
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Rob Neyer has an interesting take on this game.
It’s well worth reading, but by and large it repeats, with clever phrasing, much of what has already been said here. Probably all I need point out is that the interesting stuff begins with this one-sentence paragraph:
Which leaves the Giants, and manager Bruce Bochy.About the only point where I disagree is where Neyer observes that With Sanchez still in the game, Roy Oswalt singled. We’re inclined to give Bochy that one, as Sanchez had been on a roll since the first inning and thrown only 95 pitches. “Only” 95 pitches"? Jonathan Sanchez? Yes, yes, he’s thrown a no-no; but it is scarcely arcana that after 90 pitches he needs to be on a very short leash. Letting him start that inning was Bochy’s sempiternal “triumph of hope over experience”. Sure, he wanted to work round to the pitcher’s spot in the next inning; but if you have a bullpen, what’s it for? One man pitches the 7th, starting a clean inning with the pitcher, one the 8th, and Wilson the 9th.
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I’m pretty sure Sanchez didn’t break 90 MPH after the 1st inning. It really is remarkable how quickly he tires.
Worth noting is that his OPS-against once reaching 75 pitches is .790 (in about 550 PA’s), compared to ~.690 in pitches 1-74.
I remember him popping 92 at least once during the 6th. He might have been just easing up because of control problems.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Maybe
But looking at gameday:
- In the 1st inning he had 12 pitches at 92 MPH or higher. Over the rest of the game, he had 0.
- In innings 4-7 he threw about 25 fastballs – and hit 90 once.
- In his last PA, he threw 5 pitches, all between 85 and 87. Gameday calls a few of them changeups, but I’m positive they were all fastballs.
He did do worse in the 1st than in any other inning, so maybe you’re right. But I think fatigue played a big part too.
that was a long, long inning
and the Giants didn’t exactly get him a lot of time to rest there the first time through the lineup…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
How does that compare to how most pitchers do at that cutoff point? I’m under the impression most pitchers get hit a fair bit harder around the third time through a lineup, give or take. Is Sanchez worse than that by a significant margin?
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
If you go by pitch count, pitchers generally start OK, then get better, then seriously decline somewhere around 65-85 pitches. League OPS during pitches 75-100 is 40-50 points higher than usual. So Sanchez’s split is normal, just more extreme than most.
Past 100 pitches, by the way, pitchers do very well. The reason, of course, is that if they’re letting you pitch past 100 pitches, odds are you’re pitching well.
By the way, if you go by times through the order, the league splits are even more clear: .700 OPS for the 1st time, 2nd time it’s .740, then .770, then .760 (again, if you’re facing a batter for the 4th time, odds are you’re pitching well).
There are two factors here – fatigue, and hitters getting used to a pitcher’s motion and pitches. Can’t tell which is more important.
I believe that "The Book" says . . .
. . . that it’s more exposure than fatigue. I have certainly always believed that. (Though fatigue is quite important, too.)
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
At risk of being seduced by SSS, I don’t think this applies anymore. This season, he’s been absolutely lights-out after 75 pitches — significantly better than earlier in the game. And to my eyeballs he has looked strong until the very moment he gets pulled.
You’ve been seduced by SSS.
Actually, it would make sense that he’d be better this year – he’d been jerked around between the bullpen and the rotation so many times that he only really started working on his stamina a year or two ago. But it still seems to me that he consistenly loses velocity as the game goes on. Maybe I’m wrong. Any way to check with Pitch F/X?
SSS is hot, yo
Knows exactly what gets me going
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by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m highly annoyed that it’s only NOW that people are over it. If you wanted Fontenot at 3B before the series, two games should not change your mind.
Same with Torres. If you wanted him in there before, 6 games against some of the best pitching in baseball should not change your mind.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 18, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
Camp Panda was Closed for the Season at the end of September.
Check back again in April.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
Why?
The playoffs — to coin a cliche — are a shortened season. You go with the hot hand. That’s why we haven’t seen much of Romo — though one might just as easily argue that five batters are not a large sample. It’s why we haven’t seen much of Sandoval, as well.
The fact is that the Giants don’t have any viable options at 3rd. I don’t expect Sandoval to magically revert to his 2009 form. Right now, he’s the lesser of two evils, just as Fontenot once was.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Oct 18, 2010 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't disagree more
Don’t get cute, play your best players.
It’s been pointed out a thousand times, so I imagine that there’s a reason you’re ignoring it, but Sandoval outhit Fontenot in 2010. By a lot.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
"The Hot Hand"
My goodness. I keep forgetting that there are still people who think that phrase has any meaning outside discussions of pyromania.
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I'm awake
sipping on my black coffee. pondering about la vida…
be cool man be very cool. never lose that coolness….
Shift-A
I wonder if anyone has talked to Torres about switching, temporarily, to a lighter bat.
It’s amazing how long one’s strength can be affected from surgery and infection. Swinging the heaviest stick in the bigs might not be helping him.
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I was railing about that all last night. It’s clear that he isn’t getting that monster bat around on fastballs.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 18, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, a few people have mentioned it. Apparently he was using a lighter bat in Saturday’s game, but that didn’t really work out.
Thank you for saving me the trouble of repeating this again.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Oct 18, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
but then you said this
so, the number of posts you made were the same.
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Precisely.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Oct 18, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
but now you've added more words
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"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
I read that he was going to switch
but it sure looked like the same telephone pole on his shoulder Saturday.
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
by EliminateMe on Oct 18, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair comp for Sanchez?
Sanchez H/9, BB/9 and K/9 for this season:
6.6; 4.5; 9.5
Pitcher with similar rates of 6.6; 4.7; and 9.5 for his career?
Nolan Ryan.
This should probably come with the obvious caveat that this comparison is just one year of Sanchez to a lot of years of Ryan, and obviously includes Ryan’s poor years to counterbalance his awesome ones. Ryan at his best was much better than those rates.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I NOTED THIS IN THE PREGAME THREAD DURING THE NOLAN RYAN DISCUSSION
I DEMAND CREDIT
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Ok, full disclosure: I didn’t read most of that discussion.
GROUG GETS CREDIT, EVERYBODY. NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Oct 18, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I wish I had more sockpuppet accounts so I could turn this green by myself.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
groub says hi
so does grouc
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
and rec'd
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It's my fault
I broke my usual routine to have dinner with my cancer stricken brother during the game. That will never happen again.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
I hope your cancer stricken brother wins the battle.
And it’s not your fault, it’s Fontenot’s.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
It's not Fontenot's:
It’s Bochy’s, for asking a man to do what he obviously cannot. Fontenot did the best that his abilities and experience allowed. That an electrician cannot well repair a leaky pipe just means that he’s an electrician, not a plumber; he might well be a pretty good electrician (as Fontenot is a pretty good second baseman).
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I agree with this to an extent. Bochy didn’t put him in a position to succeed. But, given that he has played quite a few games at 3rd lately, the pop-up miscue, the errant throws, and not getting Oswalt at 2nd in the 7th inning (he didnt even check the base) can’t all be attributed to his ability.
At some point, a MLB infielder is a MLB infielder. There’s a reason he was a backup in CHI. And if he’s not checking bases, making errant throws, and not communicating with the IFers, that’s why he was a backup in the first place.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
"Quite a few"?
He played 3B in a grand total of six games all year, and only started there in three. While there is no exact dictionary definition, three starts does not match my sense of the meaning of the phrase “quite a few”.
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Shift-A: Why can't we have nice things?
It was a bad game all around…(nice strike on the first run Ump).
Forget about it…the Giants got a split in Philly and hopefully will be able to take at least 2 out of 3 at home.
I’m not one to beat the MSM east coast bias horse, but it does kind of bug me that the non-strike call for Sanchez on Rollins in the 1st inning hasn’t been touched on at all. When the Giants won last night, all the headlines were “Giants squeak by on questionable call.”
Obviously that run wasn’t the reason we lost but that call was hardly background noise, and it would be nice to see some kind of equity in the coverage of the “bad calls.” Either don’t talk about both of them or cover both of them.
Yeah, it was nice that they immediately showed the pitchtrax and remarked that. But that was the end of it. Whereas the Halladay complaint last night was hashed and rehashed and became the focus of the story.
But you said it yourself — the 1st inning missed call was not the obvious turning point of the game, whereas the Halladay missed call was. It was deservedly the focus of the story. I don’t agree with thinking that it shows some kind of bias, or the deeper meaning that somehow it’s a slight to the Giants to say they won game 1 because they took advantage of a missed call.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 18, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy crap, McCovey Chronicles is hitting the Aaron Rowand button?
I expected some disappointment on here after the loss, but nothing Rowand-worthy
In the interest of full disclosure, though, more than a few Phillies fans were calling for Wilson Valdez to start Game 2. Fans are funny
ftfy
Holy crap, McCovey Chronicles Grant is hitting the Aaron Rowand button crack pipe?
Keep in mind the “let’s play Fontenot” meme from the last few days, which seems to be pretty absent in this thread of a sudden. It’s an ever-moving zeitgeist.
And feel free to start Valdez in game 6…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not calling for Rowand. By intimating that “I’m listening”, I’m trying to show how frustrated I am with Torres.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 18, 2010 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just messing with you
Torres was definitely awful. He had 6 whiffs on Oswalt fastballs. Oswalt has a good fastball but that’s embarrassing
see?
Monday morning, coming down. SCIENCE!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really have anything to say
Just wanted to post this
by Natto on Oct 18, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
My bad guys. I wore a different jersey and hat to this game.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
I did not have my girlfriend wear my Will Clark-era jersey last night (I was wearing my current Lincecum home jersey)
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 18, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
John Shea says...
Game 2 was so one-sided that both teams’ closers might as well have been in street clothes sitting on the bus bound for the Philadelphia International Airport.
The Phillies, known for solid pitching and an offense that was supposed to be better than the numbers indicate, quickly built up Jonathan Sanchez’s pitch count, scored four runs in the seventh inning and cruised to a 6-1 victory
Read for yourself to see how Oswalt’s single off Guapo in his last BFP caused a 3-run double which made the score 6-1 instead of 3-1.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
Yeah…ignore the two errors by Fontenot and non-strike three call on Rollins that caused Sanchez to throw an extra 20-30 pitches…
I mean
he obviously gave up the single to Oswalt, but he’s long gone when the Phillies gave away an out to move him to second. He could have been out at the plate, ending the inning with the game 2-1. Still a loss, but hanging a blowout on Sanchez is kind of an obtuse story angle to take.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria takes over as Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently John Shea didn’t see Lidge warming up in the bullpen.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Did I miss something?
What happened to Henry Schulman?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Shea, Schulman and Jenkins all went.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
/Wonders why the newspaper industry is broke.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really hate the Phillies.
I hate Mike Fontenot for not catching the pop up making Sanchez throw 8-9 extra pitches to Roy Oswalt.
I hate Mike Fontenot for his fielding error that lead to Sanchez walking a run in.
I hate the umpire for bad calls.
I hate Aubrey Huff cutting off that ball
I hate Buster Posey for not blocking the plate.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I KNOW, RIGHT? TOTALLY UNSATISFACTORY CONCLUSION TO THE SEASON.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I WAS FINE WITH HOW THE EPISODE DID OR DIDN’T TIE INTO THE SEASONAL ARC BUT FOUND MYSELF VERY UPSET AND CRINGING EVERY TIME HE MADE A DECISION.
by Every6thDay on Oct 18, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I WAS DISAPPOINTED BY THE AMBIGUOUS TONE TOWARD SCDP’S FUTURE. SO WHAT IF PEGGY GOT THAT TOPAZ ACCOUNT? WHAT DOES IT MEAN FOR THE LARGER FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE FIRM? I ALSO FELT CARLA GOT THE SHORT SHRIFT, AND THE NATION DEMANDS MORE HENRY FRANCIS!
No wonder bondslegend always talks like this. It’s fun!
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I WAS DISAPPOINTED WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT MAD MEN DID NOT STAR MADBUM
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
YOU ARE FORGETTING THE MEETING WITH AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY! THERE’S ALSO A MEMBER OF DOW CHEMICAL ON THAT BOARD. COUPLED WITH THE TOPAZ MEETING THERE’S DEFINITELY A POSITIVE OUTLOOK FOR THE SDCP BRASZ!
by Every6thDay on Oct 18, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
/sad trombone
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
So are the triangles for sf pitchers or hitters.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Iassogna was not giving the high, low, or wide strike…apparently he only believes in 65% of the strike zone
Its really bad for both teams. the bad ones are (0.5, 0.0) and (0.25, 0.5)
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I
am starting to think these plots should be 3 dimensional.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
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Yeah
Cause Oswalt totally needed those ones between 1.0-1.5 to get the powerhouse Giants lineup.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
These graphs are flawed
every hitter has a slightly different strikezone as far as low/high calls go. some guys are shorter, hence smaller zone, so while a belt high pitch to Pat Burrell could be called a strike, a pitch at that same height to say Fontenot will be called a ball since he is so much shorter, hence, making the graphs flawed.
this is indicative of inner and outer strikes, but not low/high.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
They try to fix it as best they can
Normalized maps attempt to correct the Y-Axis on this graph by using the sz_top and sz_bot values in the PitchFX data for any individual hitter. These parameters are variable and should not be taken as gospel (or any other works of Holy Writing, including Torah or Qu’ran).
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Thanks, didn't know they tried to compensate
however, they are right, you gotta take the upper and lower strikes with a grain of salt.
I assume that the individual batter strikezone plots they generate are according to the batters personal zone, not an average zone, so if someone wants to know about a particular call to a particular batter, an individual zone graph is a better idea.
These overall ones are just to give us a general idea how bad or good it was.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
/sad sigh
Still not ready to be OK with a split. I got greedy, damnit!
But at least there was: ♥ Cody Ross ♥
And also, I’ll be in the bleachers tomorrow. Wearing my Posey give-away shirt. Basking in the Matt Cain greatness. Breathing that beautiful, clean, AT&T Park air. I guarantee I will cry during the National Anthem because of the pure beauty of post-season Giants baseball. Is this all real?
I will raise my beer and toast the McCoven and hopefully when it is all over I will have no voice left from all the screams of joy and happiness.
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
Chin up, 'Babe.
This was an “attempted steal” game, IMHO. Throw Sanchez out there & maybe, just maybe, you get lucky (fortunate?) and sneak out a win. If not, oh well.
The Giants are set up well coming home with Cain, MadBum & Timmy ready to go vs. Hamels (would you trade Cain for Hamels? Me neither), Blanton (who?) & Halladay (already beat him once).
Besides, and perhaps most important, NOBODY COMES INTO OUR HOUSE AND PUSHES US AROUND!
Hamels (would you trade Cain for Hamels? Me neither)
You would have to consider it hard. I think Hamels is better, but not by much.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Dear Andres Torres
You were a nice little player, the perfect 5th outfielder that can run down anything in the outfield and play all 3 positions well. Then, one day, after going 0-10 to start this season, you went back home, drank the serum, and became Carlos Beltran.
I liked you so much better when you were Carlos Beltran. Please be Carlos Beltran again.
Sincerely,
JCT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Question: Who is in a better position
The Rangers going into New York tied 1-1 with Cliff Lee going for game 3 and knowing you have destroyed Yankees pitching in the last two games
or
The Giants going home tied 1-1…
Tough one for me but I would say the Rangers
I say rangers b/c they face Petite, Burnett, CC in NY while we face Hamels, Blanton and Halladay.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
for the immediate game 3
probably the rangers. however, we will see our ace again for sure, while for the rangers may not see lee again after this game.
Joe uribe continues
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/tom_verducci/10/18/five.cuts.sunday/index.html?eref=sihp
does no one on si know his name is juan
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Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Oct 18, 2010 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
Also…apparently Rollins got healthy between game 1 and 2…because he K’ed 3 times in game 1 and had 4 RBIs in Game 2…
You now how you tell Rollins isn’t healthy? He didn’t try to steal until the count was full.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
But Verducci said Rollins is healthy!
Healthy Rollins = Trouble for Giants
Also:
(Credit the walks to the lineup switch by Phillies manager Charlie Manuel, who wisely slotted a right-handed hitter, Placido Polanco, between lefties Chase Utley and Ryan Howard. It makes it much more difficult for Bochy to match up his relief pitchers against the Philadelphia lineup.)
Also that 2-3 is deceiving, by all accounts he k’d in the first and should have been out on that stupid fuckin single.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
So, his name has been “Joe” this whole time? Why didn’t anyone tell me—-I must sound like an idiot!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This guy has been rubbin of on the writers.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Joey Ribeye
All-american
at the end of the day it's all about kicking the tires
by duke_diligence on Oct 18, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
put on a very stylish hop-and-skip dance maneuver as he knew he had done it again.
Doesn’t he do that for all of his homers?
More BS
Oswalt is beginning to look a lot like a reasonable facsimile of Cliff Lee, the pitcher he essentially replaced in Philadelphia — especially this time of year. How tough is Oswalt to beat this late in the year? He is undefeated in 10 postseason games (5-0), undefeated when the Phillies score first for him (8-0) and the owner of an astounding .804 winning percentage in his career in September and October, postseason included (37-9).
Yes…the Phillies would much rather have Oswalt than Lee…
factoring contracts, I absolutely would rather have Oswalt
Roy: owed ~25mm through 2011 since time of acquisition minus 11mm Ed Wade donation. Net 14mm club option for 2012
Lee: was due only 9mm for 2010, but bidding starts at 6-100 for his services in 2011, with Yanks representing the “opulence I has it” guy also at the auction
by chorchtober on Oct 18, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, what he said...
If you’re including contracts, we’d absolutely rather have him.
FYI don’t count on him repeating his Philly numbers next year.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
He was perhaps "hit lucky" with the BABIP
But he was still a top 10 starter in the NL this year, and arguably had his best year since 2004. 3.27 FIP, 3.45 xFIP
Cliff Lee was never going to be a Phillies in 2011. Cliff Lee is a god among men but having the potential for 3 playoff runs with Oswalt (vs 1 more with Lee) is pretty damn exciting. Despite the nearly lobotomy-inducing road to get from the Lee deal to the Oswalt deal
thanks for that FYI. I was waiting for cogent commentary like that.
- he’s a top 10 starter, and #2 they wouldn’t be able to sign Cliff Lee, so yeah, I’d take Oswalt regardless.
I’m sorry but Oswalt is not a top 10 starter. He is more 20-30
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by say hey nation on Oct 19, 2010 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants game or Mad Men finale?
When did I shout the following at my TV, during the Giants game or the Mad Men season finale?
“YOU IDIOT!”
“This is pathetic.”
“I can’t believe this.”
“Saw this split coming.”
I am guessing "Saw this split coming." is from your dream about Christina Henricks.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Another positive note from this game...
Buster Posey repeatedly hit the ball up the middle with authority. I think that’s promising.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Buster went 0-3 yesterday with some hard hit balls that happened to find gloves. Before that, he was hitting .350 in the postseason. He is not the problem.
Huff is having a terrible time. He hasn’t been hitting with any real consistency since August.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff keeps swinging at everything on the outside, not making the pitcher come in to his happy zone. Pitchers know he can’t do much more with the outside pitch than hit a lazy fly ball, so they’ll keep throwing it as long as he keeps swinging.
one would think after 10 years in the bigs, he wouldn’t have holes big enough that he can be shut down so easily. he also seems to try and pull every. single. pitch.
guy needs to learn to go to oppo field, take what they give you.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Gman, are you giving Huff advice? I didn’t think so…
You and I have been thru alot.
No doubt.
But Mr. Huff can handle the bat just fine.
You and I can chill out on the vibes of our choice…
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
I wish he could handle the bat just fine, but he has been contained pretty well since August.
Seeing as how his handling of the outside corner pitches that he gets a steady diet of isn’t working, I don’t think it’s such bad advice.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Gman, we all got to get in the goove for Game 3, man.
Everything’s goin’ be alright.
Repeat.
Stand up - Sing and clap your hands!
Everything’s goin’ be alright.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
Everything’s goin’ be alright.
Uribe, Pablo, that Cub at 3rd, Torres not hitting, anything else?
Everything’s goin’ be alright.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
everybody but Boss Ross :)
I sure as hell hope everyone finds their strokes again. We sure as hell need it.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Slugging .348
Yes, Buster has gotten some hits, but they’ve been out of character for him. Buster is most productive when he’s hitting liners toward right center field, and occasionally popping homers over the wall in left center. He’s certainly not “the problem”, but there is room for improvement.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions
I heard this on the SD radio station this morning where some guy called up and broke the news that Seau had been arrested for DV…the hosts didn’t believe him…
DV is always sad and I hope it’s not related to his football career (i.e. concussions)…
Yeah not LOL at DV but LOL at driving off a cliff.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLSuicide
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i have no idea how you survive driving off one of those cliffs in Carlsbad/Oceanside area. Those have got to be 120-140’ drops.
I don’t think the NFL has any idea just how badly most players sustain head injuries, and how much of an impact those injuries affect players for the rest of their lives.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Read it was only a 30 foot drop off.
Still though.
30 freaking feet.
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only 30 feet? I’ve been skimboarding on those beaches in Oceanside, and the cliffs are freakin high. Did you see the pic in the article of his truck, and cliff he drove off? the cliff looked to be a good 100 feet or more, maybe he didn’t go all the way down?
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlsbad police say the 12-time Pro Bowler’s Cadillac SUV was found on the beach 30 feet below the roadside.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101018/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_junior_seau_crash
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wow. the cliffs in the pic looked a whole lot higher than 30’. that’s still a hell of a drop
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it's a new day.
I feel better today. Our batters are due some HRS or extra base hits. Back to home for 3 games and I hope yesterday was the last day the anyone plays in the suck that is the Phillies park this season.
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
This kind of somes up the series.
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions
If that’s true then why isn’t there a animated gif about it?
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
/lights the korean animaters signal
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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ugh
animators*
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What are you trying to say about the reproductive habits of the Korean people?
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 18, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Just recalling Rollins' double last night
CBP:
Right field power alley
369 feet (112 m)
AT&T
Right-center field – 421 feet (128 m)
Just saying
Just saying it would have been a ITPHR
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by say hey nation on Oct 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
it would have been caught at AT&T. Ross was there, it just hit too high off the wall.
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
im not sure how high the wall is, but it missed being a GS by about a foot. i dont think he could have caught it, though. do you?
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No…he definitely could not have caught the ball at CBP…the wall in the area is about 13 feet…the ball hit about a foot below the top…
But that ball would have definitely been a long fly-out at AT&T (maybe 400ft)
oh, ok I thought you meant “Ross was standing there for a couple of seconds waiting for the ball to come down” as in you thought he had time to position himself to make the catch jumping up the wall, i was like um, that wall is kinda high, lol
Yeah, that’s def a flyout at AT&T… like you said, Ross had plenty of time to get there. stupid little bandbox
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I fucking love you Cody Ross
Ross has been filling Dan Uggla’s head with stories about how dandy it is to play for the Giants, who have explored trades for the Marlins’ power-hitting infielder. In fact, Ross has tried to persuade Uggla not to sign a long-term deal with Florida before his final year of arbitration so he can sign with the Giants after the 2011 season.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/18/SP0E1FU1B3.DTL#ixzz12jubhM5r
Dan Uggla will be a free agent after 2011 – right after the Freddy Sanchez contract expires. Uggla would be reallllly nice to have, and I love that Cody has only spent a month here but is already trying to help out the team long term.
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I like this
Brian Wilson tied Rod Beck’s regular-season franchise record with 48 saves. Now Wilson has 51. But Wilson’s Giants have a long way to go to match Beck’s 1993 Giants in wins. In fact, the 2010 Giants must win the World Series to reach 103 wins, 1993’s regular-season total.
Get it done Giants…get it done
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by natteringnabob on Oct 18, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
so if we want players, we sign their best friends?
Huff brought us Burrell. Ross could bring us Uggla? God, I would be so stoked with Uggla at 2nd. Holy shit, this team would just get better and better
by giant4life83 on Oct 18, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I know this is nitpicking and I know nothing about Slusser
but this stat killed me:
*In 21 of the previous 40 NLCS, the loser of Game One has bounced back to win Game Two.
PLAYOFFS ARE A COINFLIP
/actually, I believe this.
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I've thought about Sergio Romo all day
and I can’t come up with anything.
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
But I'm sure I'll feel different once the novocaine wears off...
Is this real life? Is this going to be forever?
I AM SHOCKED
SportsCenter SportsCenter
If Halladay, Hamels and Oswalt are nicknamed H20, then what should we call Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez? http://es.pn/aMRJug
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Phil Hughes should never be considered as part of any “Big Three.”
by Murray, Present on Oct 18, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He and Homer Bailey are going to be better than Lincecum some day. Just watch.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 20, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions
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