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Why the Giants are awesome and can beat the Phillies

I've lurked for a long time here, but never posted -- hopefully this gets everyone a little more fired up!

Can the Giants beat the Phillies?

The sabermetrician in me says that the Phillies are better. That their "true talent level" is higher, that over the course of 162+ games, their second-order Pythagorean win percentage would be higher. That when you average each team’s starting lineup’s wOBA for this season, although the Phillies 8 position starters would have a .353 wOBA and the Giants starting 8 would remarkably boast a .351 wOBA (assuming, incorrectly, that Sandoval starts), that regression to the mean would hold true and that the Phillies’ starting wOBA would rise dramatically.

But the sabermetrician in me also screams small sample size. That anything can happen in a best-of-seven series. That while the Phillies will try to bludgeon us with their starting 8 and possibly a Ben Francisco sighting, plus-sized headed Bruce Bochy will utilize every Nate Schierholtz defensive replacement and Travis Ishikawa pinch appearance to eke out the maximal advantage for us. That Matt Cain’s and his career HR/FB rate’s (7.0%) refusal to regress to the established mean (~11%) may inspire the rest of the Giants to defy sabermetrics and pull off the upset.

Ah, but the Giants also have one additional element in their favor – the Giants are fucking awesome. Why are these Giants different from previous years’ Giants? Well, the Giants are fun to root for. We have overtaken Oregon as the highest per capita rate of bearded men. We somehow make torture fun. We have embraced a freaking Rally Thong. Bless Barry’s soul, because I inexplicably love him to death, but save one Paula Abdul sighting, can you ever see that happening a few years ago?

Instead, we have a bunch of loonies. Offensively, we have a pair of wily water buffalo. We have a gazelle who is like Shane Victorino, but better and less annoying. We may have the plumpest starting playoff SS of all-time, and yet we have a Panda who manages to make him look small. And best of all, we have the golden boy, who hits everything, handles the best staff in baseball, and does it all in his rookie season.

And that staff? We have a whole bullpen of bearded men, all of whom throw gas or Frisbee sliders and are allergic to giving up runs. We have an eccentric starter, who sucks, gets paid a ton of money, and cheerleads. We also have a more eccentric, FREAKier starter, who is FREAKing fantastic, gets paid a little less money, and who also cheerleads, but with more exciting f-bombs. We have our Southern, country strong starters who throw hard, don’t say much, and just care about winning. And then we have the wild card, who I think everyone initially didn’t really know how to feel about because he’s kind of aloof, but now he’s matured into someone just so damn scary good that we all love him.

So while the media drinks up the Phillies’ H2O (bad pun) starting trio and universally writes the Phillies into the World Series, it is time for every Giants player to play with the chip on the shoulder that they’ve carried throughout their careers (except for Buster Posey) -- too small, too wild, too fat, too old, too slow, too… crappy.

And the last element of Giants awesomeness? Us – the fans. I just moved home from six long, torturous years in Los Angeles. Let me tell you, those fans suck. Not simply because they’re Dodger fans who misguidedly root for Satan’s offspring, but because they attend four innings out of nine and are too concerned with beach balls and instigating gang wars than baseball. I move home and find the Bay Area rabid – beards and awesome YouTube remakes of Journey songs. We suffered. We endured. We want it. Let our boys hear it.

So why can’t this be the year of the Giants? Improbable, maybe. But impossible, no.

GO GIANTS!!!

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Not Improbable

Team ERA+ [park adjusted], NL 2010:
1. SFG , 121
3t. PHI , 110

Team OPS+ [park adjusted], NL 2010:
5. PHI, 99
6. SFG, 95

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2010.shtml

Stats tell me that the Phillies home field advantage makes it even money at worst.

31 May 2007, 21:38 EST - the last time Matteh's career W-L wasn't below .500

"You never wake up the baby." - E. Renteria, 01 August 2010

Lowering the Quality of Internet Discourse Since 1985™

by S.F. Giangst on Oct 14, 2010 2:39 AM PDT reply actions  

To be fair

the Phillies team OPS+ is a bit skewed by a lot of AB given to guys like Wilson Valdez and Greg Dobbs.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Oct 14, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also...

the ERA+ are not an accurate measure of the pitchers that will actually be pitching in this series. Unfortunately that number might actually favor the Phils when you take out 4th and 5th starters and figure in Oswalt.

That being said, their home park is going to help the Giants bats. On paper the Phils have the edge but Giants in 6!!

by VizquelQuest on Oct 14, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would we use park adjusted stats to prove we can beat a team? After all, we are going to be playing in their park…

by bipolarbear on Oct 14, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because you have to compare them on the same baseline.

Let’s say two players are both 1.000 OPS “true talent” players, as in, that’s what they would put up in a perfectly neutral park. Player A plays in a park that increases offense 10%, Player B is in a perfectly neutral park. To see who’s better, you have to compare park adjusted numbers, because Player A will have a 1.100 OPS and Player B a 1.000 OPS. Park adjusted you get 1.000 for each, and from there, knowing they’ll be in a park that inflates offense 10%, you can figure that they’ll both put up 1.100 OPS.

by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Giants win in Goof+, 216 to 209.

Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".

by El Person on Oct 14, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely Awesome
Not simply because they’re Dodger fans who misguidedly root for Satan’s offspring, but because they attend four innings out of nine and are too concerned with beach balls and instigating gang wars than baseball.

First post? This post should be flagged for having too much awesome on it.

Giants Front Office....Torture!

by Giant Torture on Oct 14, 2010 4:34 AM PDT reply actions  

This post has orange cleats!

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)

Job 1:14-15

by bigboneded on Oct 14, 2010 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

It also became a Ninja in 12 minutes

And is a mental assassin.

Giants Front Office....Torture!

by Giant Torture on Oct 14, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is totally conceivable that the Giants steal home-field advantage...

Say, for instance that Timmy and Halladay trade zeros for 7-9 innings, a bullpen game results and a Giant hits a flukey HR, and Weeze closes. Next day, Sanchito throws another lock-down gem, and we come home up 2-0. What do we do with home-field advantage, Cain-Bum-Lincy, and 3 games at the Phone Booth?

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)

Job 1:14-15

by bigboneded on Oct 14, 2010 6:37 AM PDT reply actions  

If the take one or two in Philly, I'd be very excited

A chance to clinch at home would have me emotionally aroused

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Oct 14, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Goofus has a brain boner?

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

I AM PAT BURRELLZ'Z DADDY! (wait, that doesn't sound right)

Job 1:14-15

by bigboneded on Oct 14, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

and my brain is huge!

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Oct 14, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice job

Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!

by Goofus on Oct 14, 2010 7:03 AM PDT reply actions  

You had me at second-order Pythagorean win percentage. Post more often!

by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 7:04 AM PDT reply actions  

YES! I loved it.

I BELIEVE.

Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?

♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥

by GiantsBabe on Oct 14, 2010 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Great post but....

Oregon still has us beaten in beards, and its not even close

by Angry Dwarf on Oct 14, 2010 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

And that's just counting the women.

History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there.
George Santayana

by Sabean's_Folly on Oct 15, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the most enjoyable baseball team to root for in the playoffs since the 2004 “idiot” Red Sox. There was just something special about that one team, and The 2010 version of the Giants have that to them. Granted there is more torture on a day to day basis with this team, but I’m sure Boston fans had some torture of their own that year being 1 strike away from a 4 game sweep and we all know what happened after that. The more I read about this upcoming series, the Giants just seem to be getting written off more and more. It just gets laughable because it’s clear the people writing have never watched this version of the Giants before. My absolute favorite thing I read was that Victorino would have a great series and this is an exact quote “..against a weary armed Giants bullpen after the Atlanta series”. If we steal one in Philly, we are more than capable of taking 2 of 3 here in SF, and capable of another split. That mixed in with the fact that we seem to historically have better offensive success against Philly than we have Atlanta, I think we can do this.

by dannyschmanny on Oct 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

There has been some historically shitty sports writing about this series. It’s getting laughable at this point.

Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.

by AndOnTheDrums... on Oct 14, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would've agreed with you in 2003

But now comparing this Giants team to the woefully annoying Red Sox organization is a leap I can’t make. Maybe before I was inundated with uninformed annoying band-wagon jumping Red Sox fans I could agree.

Giants Front Office....Torture!

by Giant Torture on Oct 14, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

enjoyable team to root for, and what if....

they take Darren Ford on the roster to play the Dave Roberts role ? ! ? !

proud, yes I said proud, adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez--
more game changing bunts than Buster Posey!

by foothillsfan on Oct 14, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey it's baseball

No way to calculate the randomness, the fluke hits, the surprising error, the umpire’s missed call, the hanging slider over the middle, the fan interference. Giants in six.

by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 14, 2010 9:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Crazy shit happens in small samples! I love random variation.

by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm fired up

Is it Saturday yet?

Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.

by j14 on Oct 14, 2010 10:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Somewhat OT, but not really: anyone have the Giants’ triple slash line by hitter and as a team for the NLDS? I’ve searched everywhere, including on Fangraphs and via Google, but I can’t seem to find it. Also, if you know of a site where such information is readily available and easily found, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

..:Fear The Fin:..

by OtherKid on Oct 14, 2010 10:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Baseball reference will definitely have that.

by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

..:Fear The Fin:..

by OtherKid on Oct 14, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Giants can absolutely win this series. I’m looking forward to it.

I feel prickishly demanding!

I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.

by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 14, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Ah, but the Giants also have one additional element in their favor – the Giants are fucking awesome

that has got to be worth at least 3-4 WAR.

by lecherus on Oct 14, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Also:

Better uniforms: 1 WAR
Better stadium: 2 WAR

It’s a lock.

by sycasey on Oct 14, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, also:

A Ninja: 3 WAR
Buster Posey: Infinity WAR
Unfortunately this is offset by: Barry Zito, Jose Guillen and Aaron Rowand: Negative Infinity WAR + 3

Still a Ninja!

Giants Front Office....Torture!

by Giant Torture on Oct 14, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definite advantage when playing at home

I recall the Phillies series at AT&T a couple years ago when Werth, Utley and Co. were hittiing shot after shot that they thought would be extra bases, only to die in the gloves of Nate & Co. The looks of frustration on the Phillies hitters was priceless. Let’s hope for more of the same.

by APGiantsFan on Oct 15, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions  

I just moved home from six long, torturous years in Los Angeles. Let me tell you, those fans suck.

An argument that needs no statistic to prove it’s merit.

The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.

by ResDog on Oct 15, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

To quote the great Tim Lincecum, “Fuck yeah!”

"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK

by Josh from Hollywood on Oct 15, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Giants win

I’m done worrying about our hitters who are at best average and easily beaten down by playoff pitching. Torres really worries me. He’s looks tired and cannot get his heavy bat around in time anymore. We can trade for a bat in the winter.
But we aren’t perfect and neither are they. we have better pitchng and our bats will get just enough runs to win at ATT.

by TheRealBob on Oct 18, 2010 11:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Might not be bad to start Rowand in CF for Game 3 (against a lefty), just to give Torres an extra day off and then bring him back. I don’t think Rowand is a long-term solution, of course, but this would be the day to get Torres some rest if we’re going to do it at all. Ultimately Andres’ defense makes it worth playing him even if he keeps scuffling at the plate, since we don’t have anyone else who could be expected to be better.

by sycasey on Oct 18, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

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