Sizing up the Phillies' starting rotation
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 13, 2010 12:00 AM PDT
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PrintRoy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, Cole Hamels. Roy-Roy-Co. Ha-Ha-Os. Crr. A three-headed beast out of the mythological depths, like a hydra, a Cerberus, or the Hairstons, ready to rise up and doom us all. The "National" "Media" and their "East-wing" "bias" seem to think that these three pitchers will mow the Giants down, cutting through a playoff-caliber lineup as if the hitters were sticks of warm, impatient butter. We’re supposed to cower at the thought of Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, and Cole Hamels, and...
...
Alright, those guys are pretty freaking good.
It’s a little depressing.
Just a little, though. For the most part, though, Giants fans don’t care. Roy Halladay? Okay. Roy Oswalt? Sure. Cole Hamels? Fine. Yeah, they’ll probably pitch the Giants extremely well. They’ll make a lot of the hitters in the Giants lineup look like complete fools. Juan Uribe will swing at a Halladay cutter, an Oswalt slider, and a Hamels change-up in the same at-bat. The at-bat will be on Friday night as Halladay, Oswalt, and Hamels play cribbage together. He’s efficient, that Uribe. Respect. But Giants fans don’t care about the Phillies’ starting pitching.
I can feel the simmering rage coming from Philadelphia already. Is this nerd trying to downplay the strength of Walt-Mels-Day? Three of the finest pitchers in the National League? What nonsense. Are Giants fans so cocky that they’ve become delusional?
No, no. You’re misreading this. Giants fans don’t care about the Haloswamels triumvirate because to them, every pitcher is Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, or Cole Hamels. Derek Lowe? Yeah, he’s as good as Roy Halladay. Clayton Richard? He’s like Cole Hamels, but with a head made of potted meat. Tim Stauffer? He’s what Roy Oswalt could be one day with a lot of hard work and practice.
It’s kind of refreshing. Can’t faze a fanbase that expects R.A. Dickey to dominate their team on 84 pitches over seven innings. And, oddly enough, this ragtag bunch of offensive misfits has done okay against acey-types. Of the top ten pitchers by WAR in the National League, the Giants have beaten seven of them this year. It’s like they plan for the good pitchers.
F.J. Snufflegrass was just recalled from Toledo today, and, gentlemen, I’d be lying if I said you shouldn’t swing at the first pitch every single time. It’s going to be a fastball down the middle. Guaranteed. Swing hard, and swing often. And if the first pitch isn’t a fastball down the middle, the second one surely will be.
Adam Wainwright today, folks. He likes to use his curveball to steal strike one, so look for it on the outer half of -- HEY, PAY ATTENTION, DAMMIT -- look for it on the outer half of the plate. The fastball is sneaky fast, as he doesn’t push it past 92 that often, but he can dial it up with two strikes. Pick a side of the plate -- DAMMIT, EUGENIO, STOP DICKING AROUND WITH THAT ROSIN BAG AND PAY ATTENTION -- and make sure you keep your bat head level through the zone.
Will the Phillies pitchers dominate the Giants? Oh, almost assuredly. At least two of the big three will get to the seventh inning under 80 pitches. Just like Derek Lowe, Tommy Hanson, and Tim Hudson combined for a 2.84 ERA over four starts in the NLDS. The Giants won that series somehow. They’ve done it all year. Kind of.
Every pitcher is Roy Halladay to the Giants. You know what kind of pitchers do well against the Giants? The ones with noses. Ol’ Slitface Jamberson wouldn’t stand a chance against the Giants, but a pitcher with two proper nostrils is usually just murder on this team.
So do your worst, Phillies. I know the Giants hitters will. And about 57% of the time, they’ll win. I’m not quite sure how, either. But I’m not about to freak out because the Giants are about to face three fantastic pitchers. This is the team that made Joe Blanton look like Roy Halladay and Roy Halladay look like Joe Blanton. I have absolutely no idea what they’re going to do other than make me wet myself in abject terror and frustration. It’ll be fun.
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Sanchez to start Game 2, so says Chronicle Live/Greg Papa
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
According to Cal Ripken Jr., this will be a very boring series.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Yeah, but it will bore you for 2632 consecutive minutes, which will set a really dull, overrated record. So it works out.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 13, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Records aren’t boring. I’m sure Cal Ripken Jr. agrees with that statement.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
by deuce deuce on Oct 13, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions
playing a thousand+ straight games for a crappy team probably induces stupid.
Huff missed ten games a season for a decade, so he was lucky to avoid the same end result
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 3:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Errr... The O's haven't always been bad...
Ripken won the World Series with ’em over the Phillies in ’83, for example. They went to the ALCS in back-to-back years as recent as 1996 + 1997, even.
Really, they were a solid team until around 1998 or so. Their owner, Peter Angelos has really choked the team, selling the stadium (Been to Camden Yards? It is very, very nice; first of the modern stadiums) rather than the product on the field.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 13, 2010 4:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention booting some guy named Jon Miller.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
12 straight seasons of sucking is awful
in any sport.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
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better than 18 straight
Oh hai Pirates…. umm, yeah, Freddy says hi Also Frankie says relax
"Yo Paul, if it hurts, don't swing." - Mike Krukow
Zito: 7 Yrs $126 Million
6 Pack of beer and a month of TV: $70
Sitting down to watch Zito Strike out Helton looking on a Curve four times: Priceless
But it is consecutive. Which means something.
Consecutive means uninterrupted. In a row. Don’t underestimate it. It is a big deal.
by keyser_sozey on Oct 13, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Most. Overrated. Moment. In. Baseball. History.
The Magic is inside all of us.
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Yeah, its kind of like that little league dad who starts his on child no matter what.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention the 1994 strike where he, you know, REFUSED TO PLAY!
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
Somehow, this never occurred to me.
That’s hysterical!
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
A moment spent celebrating a record that will never be broken is somehow overrated?
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
Depends what the record is.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Let’s hold off on calling it a record that will never be broken. They said the same thing about Gehrig’s record.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Being entirely literal, yes of course the record can be broken. All records are susceptible to breakage. It’s really just something people say when a record is so remarkable it is unlikely to be broken any time soon. I’d say it won’t be broken in my lifetime: I’m 27 but I smoke and drink a lot when I’m stressed out…I may not live past the Phillies series.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
Ha, I just point it out because it was the very same record we were talking about….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of Jerry Rice's records will never be broken
I mean holy fuck. That guy was ridiculous.
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Jerry is my fave.
I think someone, who I will despise, will break some of his records.
The one record I’m sure will never be broken is Cy Young’s 511 wins.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
You think any one will ever hit .440 again?
The baseball Satanist
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
"I told the family lovingly slide"
Pitching has certainly made a resurgence in baseball, not just this year, but recently.
Part of it’s PED fallout, part just amazingly talented pitchers. It’s possible the pendulum could swing a bit, but I don’t see it happening for a few more years. Strong pitchers in opposition tend to cultivate Franchez-like hitters who go for the gaps rather than the fences, and those guys tend to have higher averages. It’s possible that there will be a break point where pitching starts to decline and those types of hitters are peaking, resulting in an exceptionally high average. Better than .440? I don’t know; that sure seems lofty from here.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
It's 1968 all over again
Of course, that was the year I was born.
So I should be a Tigers fan.
But I was raised in Aptos, going to see A’s and Giants games.
Rogers Hornsby hit 424 in 1924.
We won’t see that again.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
Part of it’s PED fallout
There’s a whole lot of speculation going on in that statement…..
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure. I have no numbers to back me up.
But we saw a spike in home run chases and records being set and broken, and that’s dropped off considerably to where we all got excited about a guy from Toronto who was hitting less than 60 of them.
To blow it all off as sheer coincidence after the various scandals of the last decade or so is equally forgiving with appropriately placed blind eyes. The truth undoubtedly lies somewhere between my opinion and yours.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
There are a whole lot of factors that go into the HR spike you’re talking about. The media-dubbed “steroid era” (which is ridiculous to call it such as steroids have been in baseball for decades) wasn’t about a few guys hitting a lot of HR’s – HR’s as a whole increased dramatically. I have my own unfounded suspicions that the baseball itself is a big factor at play here. And if they were changing the ball, it would make a whole lot of sense for them to deaden it once they started PED testing to make it appear the issue went away.
Anyways, moving on to PED’s, more pitchers tested positive than hitters. It’s an important point because it’s really, really unclear what effect PED’s had on the sport as a whole, in addition to how unclear it is as to how PED’s actually “enhance performance”. It’s a very complicated issue. Just realize how uncertain the cause and effect here is….
by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I have my own unfounded suspicions that the baseball itself is a big factor at play here.
I’m in this line. I remember hearing Jason Schmidt back in the day talk about the difference in baseballs from year to year. Trust Schmidty.
/summon owlcroft read my crappy blog
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by natteringnabob on Oct 14, 2010 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Uhh, was it really broken if he refused to play during the strike? I understand he couldn’t cross the picket line, but I highly doubt we would have celebrated Tony Gwynn’s accomplishment of eclipsing Ted Williams single-season batting average (had he actually done it) in the strike shortened year.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 13, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He played in 2,632 consecutive games. When the Orioles played, he suited up. That’s the record.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
When the Orioles played, he suited up. That’s the record.
Again, he chose not to suit up for part of that time. Hypothetically, if Gwynn had hit >.406 in the strike-shortened year, would we really generally accept that he broke Williams’ record? No. So why do we give it to Cal? It’s just not blow-me-away record to start, but it’s even less impressive to me because it was interrupted.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 13, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What game would he have suite up for?
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
No, the Union chose not to play. No official games were recorded, even if exhibition games were still put on.
In order for the streak to be broken, the Orioles had to play with Ripken sitting out. That didn’t happen.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Again, it’s not that he didn’t technically break the streak, it’s the manner in how it happened. I’m sorry, I’m just not as impressed as everyone else is. Which isn’t to say Cal wasn’t impressive, it’s just that for me, personally, it’s not the big deal everyone makes it. As far as the multitude of baseball records go, this one is in the bottom 50% for me. And yeah, it bothers me that people just leave out the whole strike thing.
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by Prussian Creole on Oct 13, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you, except for the strike thing. Playing for 20 years is impressive enough; I think of playing every single one as more of a fluke than an achievement. That and I find it hard to believe that for EVERY day for TWENTY YEARS, he was the best option for his position.
As for the strike, THERE WAS NO BASEBALL GAME AVAILABLE FOR HIM TO PLAY IN.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say that he was the best option for his team at SS almost every day during the streak. This is in part due to the many years of Oriole futility, but also because Cal was simply a great ball player.
I also acknowledge he got lucky and he got help. For example, pitchers rarely threw inside to Ripken for fear of beaning him and breaking the streak.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
Well, I have no idea how other people perceive it. I can’t really wrap my head around why a union strike has anything to do with a perfect work attendance record, but OK. Live and let live, I suppose.
At any rate, I do consider the record very impressive myself. I have no idea how I would rank it against other records because…well, I don’t understand why (or how) I would rank records. But to be good enough to stay in a lineup, and be healthy enough to do it for about 2 decades, and not succumb to any of the many, many things that can derail a career, well – that’s impressive, to me. Lucky, and also impressive.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
You know what bothers me?
How that lazy fucker would just, like, stop playing around early-to-mid October. Every year! I mean, how can we call it a consecutive games-played streak?
Example: 1992. Dude plays a paltry 162, then says, “you know, I think I’m done ’til Spring.” Did baseball stop? NO! Did he suit up for the Braves, Pirates, Blue Jays, or A’s? NO! There it is: GAMES PLAYED THAT DID NOT FEATURE CAL RIPKEN JR. And yet 1993 comes along, and the media just kept slobbering over him, pretending like he hadn’t missed a game! WTF, amirite?
Or, worse, what about 1985, 1988, and 1990? He only played 161 games! What a fucking slacker! And yet no one says anything! Conspiracy!
Conclusion: Cal Ripken is a lazy bastard.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Replacement players
If the Orioles as an organization had played games with replacement players, it certainly would add mud to the record, but they didn’t even do that. I just picked this out of Wikipedia:
Baltimore Orioles owner Peter Angelos, on the other hand, announced that his team wouldn’t use replacement players (due in no small part to the fact that Cal Ripken, Jr. was going for Lou Gehrig’s consecutive games record, but mainly due to Angelos’ career as a union side attorney). On March 20, Angelos’ Orioles canceled the remainder of their spring training games because of the team’s refusal to use replacement players. The next day, the Maryland House of Delegates approved legislation to bar teams playing at Camden Yards from using replacement players.
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by achiappanza on Oct 13, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don't see how that moment got more votes than Robinson's rookie year
Shame on you Mastercard voters.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Just a guess but 95% of the Mastercard voters probably weren’t alive to see Jackie Robinson’s debut and therefore don’t really appreciate it’s significance.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
That's batshit insane though
/still shakes head
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Also
they’re all white. /Whitlock’d
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Even though I hate the Dodgers
I lived in Brooklyn for 18 years, and wear my Jackie Robinson jersey to every game.
Jackie is the best story in the history of baseball. One of my all-time heroes.
I got to play piano and organ at the Jackie Robinson Jazz Festival at his old Connecticut house. Amazing.
Rooting for the Yankees is like cheering the tanks at Tianamen Square.
‘Cause people never vote based on what they’ve seen recently. I mean, come on.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
It got more votes than the McGwire/Sosa Summer of 98.
The Magic is inside all of us.
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Had the media not burned their witches at the stake, I bet Summer of 98 would be leading right now.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Bonds career? That should be up for the vote too.
Your political posts are a bit like the flu, Natty: they come around every few months, they suck, everyone wishes there were a cure, but all you can do is let them run their course. Carry on if you must — I’m staying home with my vitamin C and OJ. Ciao.- Sleepy Freud
by GovernorStephCurry on Oct 13, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
it will be a lot more exciting
thank Yankees-Rangers. That will be the snoozefest of a century.
by kezargiants on Oct 13, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I finally watched that clip of Ripken
He laughed as he was saying it, so I’m pretty sure it was tongue-in-cheek
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Boring if you mean
Tension, adrenaline, anger and myself rocking in my chair for 51-100 outs a game.
I love how the Giants never say die tho. I also like how they never think the game is over until out 27 is recorded.
This series will be war! I am thrilled and horrified at the same time. Boring!
It's better to be lucky than good.
by Myemail21479 on Oct 13, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
What the F does Ripken Jr. know about National League Baseball?
How many National League teams play with a 285 pound shortstop? ok, name another one besides the Giants?
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by Penitentiary Face on Oct 13, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Reading this while listening to the Simmons-Olney podcast where Olney says the Giants have no chance, is amusing. It’s as if they’ve forgotten that baseball games sometimes are won in strange ways.
Exactly
almost anything can happen in a 7 game series.
I bet the Pirates could beat the Phillies 4 times out of 7. Maybe not all the time, maybe rarely, but if they played enough 7 game series, the Pirates would win some, and to the Giants, they just have to hope that maybe this time is THEIR time.
i just hope the baseball gods have had enough of the crappy PHI fans and award the Giants a series win, draining our “good karma” account.
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions
To his credit, Simmons did feebly attempt the ‘you never know in a short series’ and ‘possible team of destiny’ tropes, though he backed off from both pretty quickly.
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by Giantsfan4life on Oct 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
He also said the giants have a bad defense…
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Their bad defensive players had career years with the glove...
Specifically Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell.
And the other bad fielders managed to not suck quite as much.
Then there were good and solid fielders with F. Sanchez, Torres, Posey, Ross, Rowand, Schierholtz and Uribe (who I think is pretty underrated; probably because he’s a big guy and everyone thinks it’s impossible for big guys to have good range).
The defense has been fine, if not pretty damn good.
But I’m mostly basing this off of a year supply of UZR.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Oct 13, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
A year of UZR for a player is not good. A year of UZR for a team is good. We were a good defensive team. We still are a good defensive team. Buster Olney is an idiot.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we’ve had a ton of changes over the year so maybe team UZR is a bit misleading, but in the starting lineup right now there are 4 really good fielders (Torres, who’s probably in a class of his own, Sanchez, Posey, Ross), and only one poor fielder (Burrel). The rest are decent. We’re definitely a good defesive team.
I haven’t seen a single defensive metric that doesn’t have the Giants near the top of the fielding teams in the NL this year, and in MLB as a whole. Olney’s comment makes no sense, and Simmons only buys it because he doesn’t really pay attention to NL teams.
It all seems to be based on a scout’s view that a team with a couple of fat guys (Panda, Uribe) and a couple of old, lumbering guys (Huff, Burrell) couldn’t possibly have a good defense. The numbers say otherwise; the Giants turned a higher percentage of playable balls into outs than most other teams in 2010. It may not look pretty, but it works.
Now that Pablo "Strand-em-all" is out of the lineup, our defense just improved.
And Uribe still can’t cover much ground. On the left side of the infield and with Burrell in leftfield, a five hopper through the left side may roll to the wall. In a 7 game series, it is all about pitching, defense and timely hitting. We need to keep Philly out of our bullpen.
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by Penitentiary Face on Oct 13, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
“And Uribe still can’t cover much ground.”
I disagree. And the stats do as well.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Oct 14, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
My hope
Is that the Giants offense somehow turns those three into Roy HaLOLday, LOL Hamels, and Roy OswaLOLt.
But yeah, the Phillies have a good starting rotation.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
by sanfrankid on Oct 13, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions 21 recs
rec'd
because Lidgey looks like he just saw a ghost..
"throwing out runners? I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey
by LincecumFTK on Oct 13, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s incredible.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I love this one.
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Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
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This is great. But the attached shadow that’s still on the left foot throws me… it’s like an M. C. Escher shadow.
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't. Stop. Laughing.
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People love that picture
The part not mentioned is that the Astros won the series.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 13, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Needs more unicorn.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Horn piercing rectumface's rectumhole?
I could support that
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Bah
If I remeber correctly (and I’m not sure I do), that was one of the hardest hit home runs I’ve ever seen. So it could have something to do with that.
Informative.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT MUCH BETTER THAN OURS IF AT ALL
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The question now becomes... can our starters match up?
… Hell yes they can, until the offense gives it up by not producing….
/bites very nails
So will the Giants offense wake up for this series?
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
Yes, but they’ll see their own shadow and go back down for another three weeks.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 13, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that Rosin Bag has a good idea of what to do at the plate. Plus, Blanton is pretty fun to dawk at.
You don’t really want a Giants/Rangers Series, do you?
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 13, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
YES
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
BENGIE WINS EITHER WAY
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 13, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Soul will be crushed
If he sees the Giants do it with Posey.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
If he sees the Giants do it with Posey.
/lights TheLetter2 signal
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Buster Posey was used to handling one pitcher at a time, but tonight was going to be different.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
It's unfortunately common to find things on the internet that you can't unsee.
It’s rare that I come across something I can’t un-think.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Ha! I love it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
A Fox executive just felt a tremor in the force
I would like very much to see SF-TEX, at least as much as advertisers would like to see NYY-PHI, the Rematching.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I think advertisers would prefer NY-SF
Keeps both coasts involved, has the whole NY connection and the Bay Area is a bigger market
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
I’m sure they’re happy that all 4 teams left are big market teams.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
MB wins again- it's already sold anyway
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101004/media_nm/us_fox_worldseries
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually the Bay Area and Dallas-Fort Worth media markets are essentially the same size, roughly 2.5 million households, with DFW very slightly larger (according to this).
"Guys, here's 20 wins right here" - Aubrey Huff on his red thong
But they’re all watching the DaLOLS Cowboys.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
If the Rangers gave Texans a chance to engage in some loud pro-Texas chest-thumping,
they’d jump in it like a Russian oligarch with a miniature giraffe. Especially with the Cowboys… failing… to live up to preseason expectations.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Only way for Giants to win is to exorcise demons vs. Yankees.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Slightly OT but it made me chuckle
I just heard jt the brick on fox sports radio say that the NL West was a “joke” and the giants would have finished fifth in the AL East behind Toronto.
JT the Brick =
Yankees are great, Yankees own it all OMG I love the Yankees. If your team is not the Yankees you suck at what you cheer for. If the Giants pull this out I want to call his show and chasm him so bad.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I propose a mass chasm.
More comfortable with chicken
by billywitchdoctor.com on Oct 13, 2010 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions
He's certainly moving that way
He had a rant about soccer this summer that was homophobic and borderline racist (eh, let’s just call it racist). And he’s the leader of “Raiders Nation”, aka Sports Juggalos.
by Murray, Present on Oct 13, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
fifth in the AL East behind Toronto
JT’s not a great counter is he
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
Oh wait, nevermind I'm a bad counter.
I’m going to bed
Buster Posey>
"I thought he was going to punch me and I was totally accepting of it. I was planning a reason to thank him if he did." Brian Wilson on Buster Posey
I understood there was going to be no math in McC?
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 14, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently we have not been introduced.
by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
ONE TIME!!!!!!!!
McCovey Chronicles - The repetition is awesome. Proud Adoptive Parent of BRETT PILL.
READ MY BLOG!!!!
by sadison bummedgarner on Oct 13, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why I don’t go to sports bars or listen to sports radio. I cannot stand trash talk.
I realize this makes me not a real sports fan, since all I do with regards to sports is watch sports.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 13, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You should be ashamed
Your only a fan if you sit around calling about them and making outrageous claims.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I listen for LOL’s
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
+1
Few things are more boring than listening to “trash talk” (aptly named) from someone about a band of professional athletes (including college-age professional athletes).
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
(including college-age professional athletes).
BUT COLLEGE KIDS ARE AMATEURS!!!!
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks for posting that the other day BTW
Although of course it doesn’t just come from agents.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
How dare these kids get paid?! They bring in millions in revenues for the schools, coaches get paid millions, but they’re amateurs dammit!
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I just wish they would drop all the fiction
I don’t care whether “colleges” hire football players. The NFL should own up to their farm system, for example.
Thank you Steven Revetria, General Manager, for the 2010 San Francisco Giants !
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 14, 2010 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
We are in complete agreement on this one. I can’t stand listening to idiots talk, either.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you. I hate people that run off at the mouth like that.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Weird, I didn't know the East Coast Bias transcended leagues.
The AL West is ridiculed next to the Yankees, Red Sox, and Rays, too.
LOL THE NL WEST SUCKS!!
/Looks at NLCS for the past few years.
//Sees a NL west and NL east team.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You know
I wouldn’t completely rule that out. Not because the NL West is a joke – it’s a pretty average devision – but because the AL East is that good. The two best records in the AL, a 3rd place team with 89 wins, and a 4th place team with 85 wins? That’s insane. Add the difference between the two leagues, and, while it probably doesn’t amount to 7 wins, it’s also probably not far from that. I definitely think we’d be behind Boston (89 wins).
But, again, it has more to do with the AL East than with the NL West, so it’s not really relevant here. The NL East is only slightly better than the NL West.
The problem is when we get comments like “the NL West sucks!” Um, not really, we actually had an above .500 record for our division as a whole. Can’t even concede to those people that they’re right because the AL East is so good, because they’ll keep rolling with the NL/NL West sucks BS….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The NL West also has the Dodgers in it. That adds to its suck factor, sorry. Broxton alone is 3 metric tons of suck.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm… there’s a reason we like you guys.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 13, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Welcome and Thank you for bashing the Dodgers
It’s a pointless exercise, but that .500+ record may not have been replicated with an unbalanced schedule of games against TB, NYY, and BOS. And TOR, for that matter.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s several things going on here.
He may be right that the Giants would finish 4th in the AL East. Given the AL advantage, I have no problem with this.
However, just because the Giants would finish 4th in the AL East doesn’t mean the NL West is a bad division. The NL West had the NL Wild-Card runner up and another team over .500. Was it worse than the NL Central, where the Cardinals completely collapsed down the stretch and every other team was just bad all year long? How about the AL West, where the 2nd place team was just .500? Not worth mentioning, I suppose.
Thing C
Given the AL East advantage, I have no problem with this.
I hate talking about league disparities. You have to do it at the division level.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really
Well, you should, if you want to be completely accurate, but the league has more of an effect than the division. Anyway, the Giants are in an average division in the NL, so talking about league and division in their case is the same.
Teams play almost half their games within their own division. It makes a very big difference.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, the AL East was only .500 in interleague this year.
The AL West was 12 games over, and the AL Central was 4 over.
Thing C
That's kind of SSS
The AL was .532 in inetrleague, and the AL East had the best record in the AL, so they’re the best division in baseball.
The talent gap is narrowing, though. For a couple of years there it was huge – in 2006 the AL had a .611 W%, which is pretty silly.
Put the Phillies in the AL East, and they might have missed out on the playoffs as well
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Put [insert non-Yankees, non-Rays team here] in the AL East, and they would have missed out in the playoffs. The AL East had the two best teams in baseball. So what?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah my statement was just a general one. AL East is good, and that’s what it comes down to (which is what you were saying earlier).
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
But they would’ve had to face the Yankees and Rays instead of the Braves and… Well, the Braves.
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, haha. Misread your comment
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
True - BUT
The winner of the AL East just lost a series to the team in the playoffs with the lowest winning pct. of any playoff team. They did so by losing all three of their home games. And Texas record was buttressed by the fact that they played in arguably the worst division in baseball.
Meanwhile, the best home team in baseball this year just lost a series because they got swept at home. In other words, the whole regular season thing is meaningless.
Are the Phillies better than the Giants over 162 – no question. But its a best of seven. Couple funky things happen and who knows.
Not necessarily true. Strikeout pitchers, defense and a good bullpen tend to work somewhat well in the playoffs. Good news for us!
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Who cares
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
href is misspelled as hre in the “look like Roy Halladay” link. Is there a complaint department in this website?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
there is not enough whiskey and/or Tums in the world
anyone have a spare stomach they can lend me?
All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses, his real conditions of life, and the complete lack of offense.
this was probably mentioned in the gameday thread..
but did anyone else see Bochy pop the Tums after Wilson’s back to back walks in the 9th Monday?
xanax, or something properly prescribed.
I'm a Giants Fan. I have no fingernails. You knew this.
by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
What the shit am I supposed to do with three more days of no Giants baseball?
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Read how we have no chance
Because were a AAA team.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
We aren’t that bad…AAAA at best.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
So we’re really good? Unless we’re a AAA team, in which case we suck.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
well naturally we are a AA team because all the pitching is in AA
I'm a Giants Fan. I have no fingernails. You knew this.
by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Masturbate.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 13, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m slowly going insane.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 13, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Something about Land O'Lakes butter
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
fap fap fap
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants/ Rnagers!
CJ Wilson is the American League antimatter to our Johnathan Sanchez. It’s just too good to believe…half starter, half reliever, fans simultaneously love them and hate them….walk a ton of guys and it doesn’t matter a’cause they’re not hittable anyway.
Rangers avoided the Yankees and made into the second round to face the Yankees. You gots to give me this small victory. Plus, you have to pay me for fantasy baseball. Turns out the unfortunately named CarGo was a better second rounder than Sandoval.
I want Giants Rangers for one reason
Everyone saying those teams have no chance. I love it when people make these claims and try to explain it off like they knew they had a chance.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure the probabilities are not in favor of this, though.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
by shanghaijim on Oct 13, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Of them acting like they knew
or them making it?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
or them even admitting they ever said it?
/pulls an urban and deletes chatlogs
“I TOLD YOU ALL THE PHILS WOULD WI.ahem.LOSE!!”
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If you please,
I’ve been pulling for a Giants/ Rangers Series for the past 57 straight years. I follow both teams, and have desperately wanted the Rangers to play well yet lose valiantly in the WS to the Gigantes. Gimme this. Giants and Rangers advance.
by biff pocoroba on Oct 13, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
But Bengie Molina in red.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Rally Chuck Norrises.
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
by jhiat00 on Oct 13, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually think the Rangers are the 2nd best team in the playoffs right now and not the ones I would want from the AL.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
See, on the one hand, I don’t want to play the Yankees because they’re the best team in baseball. On the other hand, I’d rather beat them than any other team in the World Series.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel the same way (though I might say the Rays were a better team). It’s a conundrum. God it would feel good to beat the Yankees.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
From a historical perspective, I feel it would be very fitting.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to pay Doug. And I’m not sure why.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 13, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd love this
Because I think Molina will get a standing Ovation at player introduction
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
And he'd deserve it.
Molina was a damn good Giant. It was never his fault that he had to hit fourth. Sabes shouldn’t have signed him this year. Again, not Molina’s fault.
I’m very happy for the guy. I wanted him out as badly as the rest of you. But I never blamed him for the shortcomings of the lineup around him.
I am not criticising you Gamer – as I don’t even know if you’d like the SO. Just making a point.
I’d describe Molina as a pretty big pile of “meh”…
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. He might have “heart” or whatever, but he also had a lot of slow and a lot of whine, with a bit of clutch to offset that a bit.
I wouldn’t boo him, but I’m reluctant to cheer him, too.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Never understood the love from people who liked him, never understood the vitriol from those who didn’t.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I don’t understand why nobody understands! WHY BENGIE WHY
by shaggingflyballs on Oct 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The vitrol
Bengie was a good player who whined like a little baby and consequently kept Posey in the minors for longer than was necessary. However, if the Giants make the Series and the Rangers don’t it will have Bengie’s own fault because they knew that they couldn’t bring up Posey to catch without Bengie crying in his Cheerio’s. He would have gone the Guillen route instead of the Rowand/Renteria/Zito route.
Also, Bengie hit in to approximately 4, 709,973 rally killing double plays, which kind of tend to irritate the piss out of fans.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think his alleged whining had much of anything to do with Posey’s callup.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t like Bengie because he was fat as fuck, which I find insulting, personally, You’re a professional athlete. Your job involves being in shape. That’s pathetic. I didn’t like Bengie because I hated his approach at the plate. I didn’t like Bengie because I didn’t think he did a very good job blocking behind the plate. I didn’t like Bengie because he was a sensitive little whiner. He made up for some of it with some clutch hitting while he was here. Overall…..meh.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
chasm?
clutch hitting
Say it ain’t so MB!
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I really do not want to see Cliff Lee detroy this lineup.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Cliff Lee throws strikes. We’d have a chance.
by Monkeyking42 on Oct 13, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
ARe you kidding??
Rethink that one Scout!! I’d love to see ANYONE attempting to destroy the Giants in the WS.
Hey Grant,
Is it weird if us So Cal fans tried a McC game meet up this weekend?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:36 AM PDT reply actions
I would be down for a meet up
But I have to work.
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
During the whole game?
Need some “stranger” to “mug” you so you get a day off?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Just remember, the offer is on the table.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Oct 13, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I live in LA
West LA to be exact. I’d be interested in any meet-ups.
Join us at the SF Saloon on Pico
It’s just west of the 405 right where Gateway shoots off Pico to become Ocean Park Blvd.
Look down three inches. ;)
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, now. He's at least
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
S.F. Saloon
It’s on the westside and was packed for the Oct. 8th game. Made me feel like I was at home… Nor Cal, come back to me!
Good to hear. I mentioned that place a few weeks ago and someone said they weren’t even showing the Giants.
Never been myself, but after hearing that I figured it wasn’t worth bothering with next time in was in LA; maybe I should reconsider.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah they don't have the MLB package
So they aren’t good for regular season games, but postseason is televised nationally.
"A foghorn blowing out wild and cold." -Dire Straits
Lame. Hard to understand how a bar claims to be a [wherever] bar, has TVs, but won’t show [wherever]’s sporting events.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s mainly a 49ers bar, which is probably not a great business plan, but there we go.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I went there for the past 2 games
The football fans were pissed that their precious Vikings/Jets game wasn’t louder, but there were enough fans there telling them to fuck off.
Definitely plan on being there for NLCS game 1, maybe we oughtta have a McC designated table?
That sounds cool
I’m in Pomona now, but I get over to West LA often enough (and by ‘often’ I mean ‘when school isn’t killing me’).
When were you thinking of going? I might drag my brother along, too…
by Big Americans on Oct 13, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I live in Burbank.
I was at a bar in Burbank watching Game 4 and the only other Giants fan there happened to be Sabertooth. He mentioned he’d like to try and organize a meet up.
I hardly post but am alway lurking. I wouldn’t mind meeting up.
For Giants, it doesn't matter!
For a normal team – say Reds, Phillies great pitching poses a problem. Because, they normally score a lot of runs, and against Phillies they can’t do it.
For Giants though – it doesn’t matter. We score less than 2 runs, no matter we’re facing Halladay or some scrub Padres pitcher from AAA who is only pitching because Latos got injured.
So, no difference. The only logical conclusion from this is that we’re going to beat Phillies.
That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it. ¿Comprendes?
Hmmm… just read Grant’s writeup. He stole my material. Damn you Grant.
by keyser_sozey on Oct 13, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
well done
Posting without reading Grant’s introductory spam is an important skill for success at McC. It’s mostly product placements and Simpsons references anyway.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
New poll on ESPN.com
Which team will win the 2010 World Series? Only 12% went with the Giants (less than any other team) but carried California.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
All those electoral votes are going to be crucial.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
screwed by Rhode Island again
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Accidentally
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
Come'on
It’s not that big of a state.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
We can probably extract some concessions if we offer to drop out of the race and endorse someone else
I bet we could get the Rangers to agree to play “I left my heart in San Francisco.”
They also have to give us Elvis Andrus for next season.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Only if we send our top negotiators
Have Bonds just go into the conference room, sit quietly, and stare directly into Nolan Ryan’s eyes.
To be fair, most ESPN.com readers have never even heard of the Giants.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Who?
Never heard of them.
Kids in the back seat cause accidents. Accidents in the back seat cause kids.
Right on
This is really the point here. The Giants probably won’t score very many runs in this series, but who’s to say that the Phillies will against our rotation?
Also, I really think that our bullpen has a definite edge, which will be a HUGE factor in this series. If we continue holding teams to 1 or 2 runs a game like we have, we will be tough to beat.
Check this out: by my count, the Giants have given up 2 runs or fewer in 20 of their last 25 games. Unreal.
"I wouldn't say the beard got us here, but I wore it here." - Brian Wilson
by GrooveGiant on Oct 13, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is the Giants may hold the Phillies to 1 or 2 runs a game but they may score nothing or 1 run. So they would lose 1-0, 2-1, etc.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The problem is the Giants may not score many runs.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This season has been remarkable, amazing, and everything else in so many ways this year, that I could see us actually toppling PHI.
Besides, the baseball gods can’t possibly lend those shit-talking idiot PHI fans the mindset that no one can beat them. They just can’t.
Giants in 7.
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought you weren’t going to make any more predictions.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
when it comes to the NLCS, I’d like to predict and hope that my team will win. If we can’t hope, what’s the point?
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a certain irony...
In the phrase “those shit-talking idiot PHI fans”.
Or maybe hypocrisy. I get those confused at times.
by JamesFromPhilly on Oct 13, 2010 4:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Not really though
Irony would be Giants fans talking about the series as though their team was entitled to it, and the opposition is merely a fly to be swatted away to their inevitable shot in the WS. The NLCS is a formality and its conclusion is foregone.
My impression is that Giants fans want their team to put up a good fight, and maybe surprise some people. You might want to look up your definition of hypocrisy one more time.
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Oct 13, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the irony being pointed out is that you’re calling them shit-talkers and then “idiots” in the very next word.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Or that giant4life83 is…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, subtle difference in semantics
understood now…
I don't have a very high opinion of southern California, in sports or in general
by short_shifter on Oct 13, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, they are entitled to shit talk. They’re the fans of the champs, until they’re not.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
No, the word you're looking for is "redundancy."
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope
I REALLY HOPE
That the phillies get caught up in all this “over hype bullshit east coast stupidity phillies are the best team ever the Giants are over matched garbage” and look right past us to the yankees and then turn around next week and realize that our pitchers were just as good as theirs and our offense worked when it needed to and then they see us to see us doing a whole lot of swearing, a lot of screaming and a lot of alcohol on our way to do it to the next team, just like we’ve been doing all year.
Every Third Game
According to KNBR
The Giants are the only team to beat all three pitcher Halladay, Ozwalt and Hamels in 2010. Not that it really matters…
Still good to hear if true.
BREAKING: CODY ROSS LINKED TO CHILEAN MINE RESCUE
With a hero like that on the team, there’s no need to worry.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
Is that a US-based paper?
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep. It’s a Spanish-language offshoot of the Miami Herald.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I was hoping Cody Ross was big news in Chile.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
In Chile the day after the presidential election all the headlines were about “Supermoreno” winning the election… maybe he’s better off in Miami.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
You will notice the rescuers are all wearing Orange.
I’m not sayin’. I’m just sayin’.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
The one in the back is wearing a studded thong, too.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
So what is the name of our three headed beast? Lin-Ca-Chez?
"Baseball is a game played by the dextrous, but only understood by the poindextrous." - Professor Frink
good
but Cain is a little invisible… how about
Ca-linchez!
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
Our beast is four-headed
I think MadBum will be a key to this series. Jason Stark was talking about it today; he’s the type of LHP that gives the Phillies trouble
Proudly adopted Aubrey Huff. You can't beat that!
LCS
works for me.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll get in this line.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
This is the one I’ve been using…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Freaky Mad Dirty! Big Bum? Daddy Assclown.
Have to get Zeets in there some how.
by Grant Brisbee on Oct 13, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Have to get Zeets in there some how.
TWSS.
by paboperfecto on Oct 13, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to give props to the Rangers for their celebration last night. It was really touching.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
Yeah, very cool of them to use Ginger Ale so Josh Hamilton could be a part of it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
GINGER ALE GINGER ALE GINGER ALE!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 13, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I thought it was a very sweet gesture. They broke out the beer later, but only after Hamilton left.
I picked the wrong day to quit sniffing Matt Cain.
I know I read that he spent their AL West Clinching party sitting in the trainer’s room by himself, which seems kind of sad considering he’s their best player, so it’s great that they found a way to include him for a little while.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I remember Kerry Collins saying he’d have to leave the Giants’ locker room if and when they beat the Ravens in Super Bowl Ican’tbebotheredtolookitup, because the idea of being in a shower of alcohol (delicious alcohol!) gave him the shakes as a trying-to-stay-on-the-wagon alcoholic.
Luckily(ish), the Ravens rendered that scenario moot by dominating the most boring Super Bowl I wish I didn’t remember.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha! That’s what I was thinking last night as I watched the plastic bottle fountains.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It was 7up and coke.
ISWYDT
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s awesome.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis who is stuck in the baseball purgatory called extended spring training.
Don’t forget C.J. Wilson. He was pretty happy not to have alcohol dumped on him too.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 13, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
That was great. Good for them.
I don’t really dislike the Rangers. I mean, Nolan Ryan I dislike a bit, but I’d love to see them beat the Yankees.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
i dislike the Rangers because Mark Cuban got shafted on buying the team. Cuban is exactly what baseball needs- an owner who will put money into the team to make it better, not take money to profit
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wanted Cuban to buy the Rangers for a lot of reasons, but I think you’re delusional if you think baseball needs owners who are going to lose millions on the team, and I think you’re delusional if you think Mark Cuban was going to do that. He learned his lesson with the Mavericks, even billionaires can only pump money into a franchise for so long before it dries up.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m all for allowing CJ Wilson to feel comfortable celebrating because he’s straightedge but fuck Josh Hamilton. Wasn’t he caught getting plastered a while ago (all while maintaining his changed lifestyle).
Hamilton seems like a pretty genuine person. The dude's stared the Devil in the eyes and survived.
I’m not going to hold one slip-up against a guy trying to keep his life in order despite astonishingly long odds. If it’s a pattern of behavior, that’s another thing.
That said, maybe the Rangers should’ve used whipped cream. He doesn’t seem to have a problem with that.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
isn’t that a picture of the one slip up?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It is.
But I’m not using it to say “fuck Hamilton, what a hypocrite.”
I’m using it to say “LOL shirtless Hamilton covered in whipped cream!”
It’s true that he probably shouldn’t have been in that bar for his own sake, but it’s not like he’s leading an anti-drug moral crusade while doing lines off hooker’s asses. He has no responsibility to us to stay on the wagon. If he can handle his shit, more power to him. Everyone seems to be having a pretty damn good time in that bar. At least it wasn’t a Leaving Las Vegas-style slip-up, right?.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
I don’t think it’s funny, but that’s me. I couldn’t tell if you were snarking on him or not.
Thank you Steven Revetria, General Manager, for the 2010 San Francisco Giants !
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 14, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t have a problem with that if I were him, either.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That seems a little harsh to me. Even if Hamilton did slip up, that’s just part of recovery for most people. It’s very difficult to not have relapses, so it’s great that his teammates support him as much as they can.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He's human? Yeah fuck him.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond, Brian Anderson.
Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 13, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck that guy! I kind of remember something bad about him!
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow really? Dude falls off the wagon and you treat him like he’s some asshole for doing that? His alcohol and drug problems aren’t fake, man.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I concede, you all make good points. I really didn’t consider Josh Hamilton the person and how awesome it is that he beat addiction. My real gripe was that the the media shoved the Hamilton story down our throats. Much like I hate Brett Favre not for anything that he’s done necessarily but because of his media coverage. Though I do realize Hamilton’s media frenzy deserves a lot more merit than Favre’s typical drama.
A reasonable person that listens and gives some thought into what others are saying on the internet? I never thought I’d see the day!
by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want a SABR alternative to that stupid position-by-position comparison that was posted the other day
Try here: http://crashburnalley.com/2010/10/13/phillies-giants-nlcs-preview-starting-eight/
It’s a phillies blog, but very fair. His conclusion:
* Catcher: Push
* First base: Giants
* Second base: Phillies
* Third base: Phillies
* Shortstop: Phillies
* Left field: Giants
* Center field: Giants
* Right field: Phillies
He followed up with a tweet:
CrashburnAlley Bill Baer
I am going to get bored with these previews having to constantly explain why I’d take the other team’s 1B over Ryan Howard. :-\
booo
There’s a substantial contingent of Phillies fans who will piss and moan about Ryan Howard’s strikeouts, bad defense, etc., but if you dare suggest someone might be objectively BETTER than him, LOOK OUT!
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Um, I can. I’d rather we didn’t face late inning crucial situations at all instead and had a commanding lead….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Um, I can. I’d rather we didn’t face late inning crucial situations at all instead and had a commanding comical lead….
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
If it's a crucial situation
It means we’re not being blown out, which is probably much more likely than us blowing them out.
This year must have been hell for you then?
by Lefty-is-crafty on Oct 14, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Nah, I can handle regular season pressure. NLCS against the city I live in? That makes me nervous!
by Missing Barry on Oct 14, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
What are your opinions on Victorino v Torres?
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2002 WS CANCELED
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Torres, but not by orders of magnitude. I’m ambivalent about Victorino pretty much across the board.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
I agree.
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson V Lidge?
Overplayed memes:
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson, although he’s beatable, and Lidge has been disturbingly reliable over the last couple of months.
Madson is better than both of them, though.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Wilson has the dark matter beard, though. Or perhaps it’s a black hole. Certainly, light cannot escape from it.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
“Madson is better than both”
Wilson: 1.18 ERA, 2.19 FIP, 11.21 K/9, 2.7 WAR in 74 IP
Madson: 2.55 ERA, 2.61 FIP, 10.87 K/9, 1.3 WAR in 53 IP
“OK”
Sure
But then the phrase should be “I like Madson better than both”, that being said neither Madson nor Lidge is a Ninja, which could come up big in this series.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not classy to make assertions, fail to back them up with evidence, and then not acknowledge the truth.
An interesting question might be who has been better recently, but that’s difficult to figure out given different usage patterns and schedule issues. Madson pitching v. the Nats after it was clinched is different than Wilson the last weekend when teams were fighting for their lives.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Stay classy Philadelphia.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Response to this
It’s not classy to make assertions, fail to back them up with evidence, and then not acknowledge the truth.
Mixed with this
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah I know
We just dealt with a divisional race where we were accused of having “no class” when we said mean things about Bobby Cox, so the whole “class” thing has become a meme over at TGP.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Class warfare with Atlanta.
[insert joke].
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
You should check out what Purple Row has to say about us.
They’re the moral arbiters of class, apparently.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I see
“Stay Classy” is a fairly prevalent meme around here.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s an anti-San Diego thing, mostly. Philly wouldn’t understand
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Precisely!
Answering that question correctly makes you a good person.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
MAYMAY
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed that debate
Why was it even a question? It’s rhymes with steam, and it’s not open for interpretation.
To difficult a term to search on, but probably 2 weeks ago there was a lively—and sarcastic in parts—debate as to whether it was me-me (the opposite of you-you), me-may, meem, and some other pronunciations.
It was a meta-meme if you will.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
No we decided on May May
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2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
little sister?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 13, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
hawtest chick in Tai-Pan?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
It certainly is.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
According to wiki, it rhymes with “cream.” Perhaps that’s why people are squicked by that pronunciation.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Lemme tell you something, Meme Gene!
/Hogan’d
by The Double Deuce on Oct 13, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not unless you pronounce steam like “steamy”
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 13, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
We constantly get accused of being classless by Rockies fans/Purple Row, so it’s a good matchup.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I was startled when I learned how much McC has in common with TGP, right down to having their own PR in TC.
/acronym’d
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
/gif of Dinger trying to distract pitcher.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean seriously, how they fuck does MLB allow that?
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Doubt it.
There doesn’t seem to be anything in the backstop that’d screen it out. And it’s specifically making motions at the pitcher.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
A .40 point difference in FIP, considering the parks, isn’t too big. Madson has been really great this year.
But Wilson has been more greater.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
But Wilson has been moregreater.awesomer
So awesome he even got fined for “having too much awesome” on his feet.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Child's play
Especially for a Ninja
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Machine completed before he got a chance to do it.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
But it’s not night and day. Wilson has better stuff, Madson has better control. It’s not crazy to prefer Madson.
I don’t go for beards, for one thing.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, Madson is 29! I thought he was younger.
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EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
every time I watch Madson
I wonder how anybody ever makes contact against him.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
I think Ryan Madson beats Ryan Madson. Kind of how BW beat BW
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s almost a half run per 9. I’d say it’s fairly large….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, Wilson has the better career numbers.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually
If I wanted to make the case for Madson, it would start and end with K/BB – Wilson walks too many.
3 walks per 9 innings is solid, and when you mix that with double digit K/9 numbers, it’s really not a concern. Madson had a very, very good year (very likely quite above his talent level it looks to me), but still wasn’t as good, used as well, or as clutch, as Wilson was this year. And Wilson’s numbers indicate a higher talent level.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
"Madson is better than both"
It is easier to look better when you only pitch in the 8th. And, oh by the way, no he is not. That is all.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Oct 14, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT MADSON CRACKS UNDER THE PRESSURE!!!!
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
?
Don’t you mean Lidge?
I HATE YOU PABLO!
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
no
The reason Madson wasn’t installed as closer is because he had a couple of save attempts gone wrong that obviously indicated he didn’t have the mental fortitude or some crap.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
To be fair, Lidge was apparently hurt last year, in a manner that is more “really hurt” than “just sucking and claiming to be hurt”. Charlie, whose brain was hurt, continued to push Lidge out there.
This year, Lidge appears to be “fixed” from what bothered him in 2009. his 2008 numbers were an aberration the other way, and this year, since the ASB, I think we are seeing a pretty fair, baseline Lidge.
He’s been really good, but not unstoppable. My PTSD self at the start of the year kept waiting for him to blow up, and I was pleasantly surprised when that did not happen.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Has he recovered yet?
Charlie, whose brain was hurt, continued to push Lidge out there.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
No. He’s on the infinity Day DL with a closed head injury.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Amazingly
Bochy is threatening to come off that list. His head may have finally “calmed down.”
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
He pushed Rollins from lead-off and is using Victorino. So yeah a little.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
But, but, but…Rollins and Victorino look lead-offy! They are quick as jitterbugs and raise Cain on the basepaths of the baseballing grounds!
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
May I just say
That from an blog-nerdom perspective, I’m glad that the Giants drew the Phillies. You guys are a lot more fun to interact with, and not nearly as sensitive and non-sensical, and hopefully not nearly as sensitive as the folks over at Talkin Chop.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Also we get along so well b/c we both dislike the others rival!
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Russell Martin.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
/May suck it
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
All I have to say is 1993 and you now what I am talking about.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, 1993 was a blessed year in Philadelphia. Now it’s kinda like, “who?” (At least for me)
http://www.thegoodphight.com
BUT THEY WOULD HAVE WON IF CHIPPER JONES WASN’T OLD AND PRADO WAS HEALTHY!!!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Yinz, too.
You are banned from Talking Chop.
You can browse the blog, but you can’t participate.
Seriously? Your team just swept and you come over to troll? Get a life.
Remember the Phitans
by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL.
They are kind of like Gas Lamp Ball.
They don’t allow cussing and derogatory terms. But in a front page post they used F_cking instead of Fucking and called matt cain a mongoloid.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
GLB also has a weird vendetta against Jayson Werth, going so far as to publish an email they got from Werth’s (semi-estranged) father defending him. Really borderline stuff.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
And apparently Dex is Brooks Conrad brother in law or something :/
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The Phillies have one of my favorite online fanbases, which is weird because I haven’t met many real life Phillies fans that I enjoyed interacting with. SSS for real life, prolly.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
aw thanks guyz
This is probably my favorite blog on SBN aside from ours, and I actually LIKE this Giants team (give me a week and ask that question again) so this should be a fun series and it might not be heart-crushingly awful if the Phillies lose.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
The TC people who came over here seemed to be all right.
I don’t really think they have more bad apples than we do.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
I don’t know. I read through some of the threads at TC the seem maniacal.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever read our threads here after heartbreaking losses?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Lidge has lost a lot from his fastball (sitting at 91-92 these days) but is locating well, setting up the face-melting slider. If he locates the fastball, even that that velocity, he can be good.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Oh no, did you say slider
Aaron Rowand heartily disapproves.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
My prediction: he won’t be on the roster. He gave a shitty situational at-bat in Atlanta, and the Phillies don’t have the lefty heavy bullpen that the Braves have (I think the only lefty they were carrying is J.C. Romero? Could be wrong though). I’m guessing they go for someone with more speed.
Vrrrooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmm.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
there should be a RH pinch-hitter though, right?
Granted the Rowand/Renteria choice isn’t very compelling… but unless Guillen comes back (either starting every game with Ross pushed to the bench, or finally sitting for 6 innings where he should be) Rowy seems to be the guy.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
nah
too important as pinch-runner
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Whiteside
No that’s what I call vroooom.
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Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
No. When Lidge went down Madson was the closer but didn’t do so well.
I think it was last year?
Is that right WholeCamels?
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m still pissed he stole Panda’s all star spot last year.
More comfortable with chicken
by billywitchdoctor.com on Oct 13, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT PANDA WILL HAVE MORE CHANCES TO BE AN ALL STAR.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
:(
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude, mlb.com STILL tells me when Panda is on deck/batting/etc. and nobody else on the freakin' team.
Given the relatively out of date information most of the East Coast seems to have about the Giants (aside from our scattered brethren and sistren, of course), he might improve before they notice something went wrong…
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I’m actually pretty optimistic that Sandoval will improve a lot come next year. I just find this season made me pretty Panda-sad.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, me too.
I just think that most non-SF media sees all the Panda hats and thinks we all hold him as the key to our team. A gross generalization on my part, of course, but dang. It’s far more rare to hear about Pat or Huff than about Timmy or Posey, even though they’re both having great seasons as well.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Uh huh. Considering some of the coverage of the NLCS, I think people may not understand the Giants that well.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Breaking news: National media knows less about Giants than about East Coast teams
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
I can forgive ESPN quicker than I can forgive mlb.com
I guess I would just expect the latter to be more rounded, and, dare I say, more in depth on EVERY team than any other source. Maybe it’s the name, I dunno…
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
What about his rectum face?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite is the first one
Aubry Huff over Ryan Howard? Come on. Andreas Torres is on steroids
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, please keep hitting.
I like Bill Baer’s responses.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Hooray for a career .280 BABIP guy having a .335 BABIP. Seriously, Ruiz has 1200+ other PA’s, and a career 98 wRC+. Calling it a push just isn’t doing statistics right. Posey > Ruiz, and it’s not particularly close. Posey is a better hitter, and a better defensive player.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
better defensive player.
I don’t know, Chooch is pretty amazing with the glove.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I’ll concede there’s a lot of uncertainty when it comes to C defense. Fangraphs only measures a C’s impact on SB/CS, and in that regard, Posey has been better.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but did Posey have to catch Moyer?
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not trying to be a Phillie’s defender but I love Chooch he is my favorite Philly. Plus he east Iguana.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
East Iguana
Is that a suburb of West Chester? Or Chester?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Eats iquana
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Tall and tan, young and lovely...
the girl from Eatsiquana goes walking…
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Susquehanna?
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hat company?
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well what I do know is our pitching staff was pretty poor at holding runners the first half of the season. Until Buster took over, that is….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, no, but he still won’t.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Baer relied on this season’s stats more heavily than career stats for a couple of players. In some cases (Torres) I think that was warranted, but in others, I’m not sure. Ruiz is one example of that, possibly Huff too (unfortunately). It could sway a couple of his conclusions.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
And Ruiz has done it over a whole season.
PA appearances for 2010:
Ruiz- 433
Posey- 443
Chooch sits a lot of games and hits lower in the order (usually in front of the pitcher)
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Ruiz missed a long stretch earlier in the season due to a concussion. And if you believe in this sort of thing, he’s been a beast in the past two postseasons.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
There’s no reason to believe in that sort of thing. It’s much, much more likely to be random variation than anything else.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Postseason pressure means that facing the bulk of PHI’s lineup is probably a touch more stressful to starting pitchers so that the time they reach Ruiz, not only is he batting with runners on base he’s seeing good pitches to hit. And maybe he, personally, handles the pressure better than other hitters and maintains his plate approach giving him the mental edge against a stressed pitcher.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
IF there’s any signal in there, which is a very, very big IF, it will be largely lost among the noise of random variation. Sample size, let’s not forget the concept now. It’s still as meaningful as ever.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t disagree with you and I don’t think the Giants go into this saying “Hey, Carlos Ruiz is THE guy to focus on in this series.” I think Ruiz has shown in two postseasons a knack for getting the big hit or two and that certainly influences my perception of him. If a good pitcher still makes good pitches rather than throw him belt high fastballs, I’m sure the variation will remain random. But I’ve certainly allowed his performance to influence my perception of his abilities.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess I just don’t get it? So you seem to know that the “knack for getting the big hit or two” is, in all likelihood, completely due to random variation, but then you just kinda shrug and say “he’s better in the postseason” anyways?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. That’s not really a complicated thought. It’s willfully disregarding random variation.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I do believe there is an argument that some guys are clutch
Albeit, it’s very rare and doesn’t constitute a huge margin, but how would you explain this:
Will Clark
Career OPS: .880
OPS with 2 out and RISP: .908
OPS with RISP: .905
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s not really a wide variation. And if hitters got on, it may indicate the pitcher wasn’t pitching well. That still seems like noise to me.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
30 points is significant when taken over the course of an entire career.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, there are a lot of variables at work here. It’s not clear that the pitchers talent level is equal in all of those scenarios. If guys are getting on base, it might be more likely to be a bad pitcher. Statistics is a fun science like that! ;)
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not really an argument. These are things people do look into. Some guys are clutch. Problem is, it’s small enough that you can’t really figure out who until something like 10,000+ career PA’s…..
And heck, by that time, they might not even be clutch anymore!
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
And it’s the exception. Very few players are clutch in any meaningful way.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Taught Weezy to be a ninja.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Obviously
I’d be willing to bet large amounts of cash that he could roll out of bed and outhit Rowand tomorrow.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
He could certainly get on base at a better rate, anyway.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
They had one of those fantasy camps 2-3 years ago
And Clark shows up, then proceeds to hit three balls in to the Cove in succession. When asked when the last time he swung a bat was he said it’d been a couple of years.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
j;lkj90
"Thank you, Coach (Theus). I'm about to kill y'all this half." --DeMarcus Cousins
by Juan Primo on Oct 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Top baseball memory...ever.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, my only regret about this is he's not wearing a home uniform.
It’s nice to have such petty complaints.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I only ever remember Will Clark in the road uni for some reason.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
You should work on that.
:D
See NLCS game 5. An RBI single, but a series-winning one.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
This is hilarious to me for one huge reason
On one of the TBS broadcasts from the Division series one of the announcers (can’t remember who) was complaining about how pitchers and catchers cover their mouths with their gloves and how that’s some “new fad” that has no point. Immediately I thought of Maddux saying “fastball high, inside” and Clark seeing him say that.
Croix De Candlestick: You'll be a better person for reading | My adopted Giant: the next Buster Posey, Johnny Monell
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
On that Will Clark note . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasGkwEzYAg
I just felt like posting it.
Without looking, I’m guessing that’s mainly walks, not hits. Pitchers are more willing to give up walks with RISP.
shift
Refresh my memory, did opponents employ the shift against Will Clark?
Matt Swartz has done some work over at Baseball Prospectus finding that lefty extreme pull hitters have better stats with runners on because teams either can’t employ the shift, or have to modify it somewhat. Ryan Howard is an example.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Players, as a whole, hit better with men on base
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
well
Going forward, yeah, I’d take Posey, but Ruiz is having a great season and it’s awfully close in October 2010.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Going forward, yeah, I’d take Posey
That’s exactly the point. We’re talking about “going forward”. This series is “going forward”. Ruiz is having a fluky good season, and even in said fluky good season, he’s STILL not as good as Posey. Fangraphs has Posey as 1.5 runs better than Ruiz’s fluky offensive season, and had Posey played C the whole time this season instead of spending time at 1B, he’d be at least half a win better than Ruiz in WAR.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Howard worries me, if only because he seems to homer in every game against Lincecum. Maybe Lincecum’s first game is just burned into my memory, but I know it happened again this year.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 13, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember that game. Lincecum’s stuff was so @#$%! electric from the first pitch that despite the headline results I was utterly buzzed after the game. I could not figure out why anyone was wandering the intertubes complaining, and yet there was a lot of zomg-what-happened-to-our-can’t-miss-prospect fretting going on. Except for sharksrog, who I believe predicted three straight Cys. Two out of three ain’t bad.
Howard has a history of being incredibly good against RHP. Against LHP, he is fairly average.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=howarry01&year=Career&t=b
Career:
RHP: 1.038
LHP: .766
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=howarry01&year=2010&t=b
2010:
RHP: .876
LHP: .826
He hits RHP pitching very well. Lincecum != “generic RHP”, but Howard should do better against him than against a comparable LHP.
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by RememberthePhitans on Oct 13, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing is
we don’t have a comparable LHP, and the only one he’d even possibly see this post-season is Cliff Lee.
He’s not Lincecum or Lee, but Dirty is pretty durn good.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, if Dirty was in the American League, it would be ON.
by shaggingflyballs on Oct 13, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Mind. Blown.:
Sanchez walked 18 batters in his last five starts. Cliff Lee walked 18 batters all year.
Yesterday’s game was the fourth in the postseason where Lee struck out at least 10 and walked none.
They could be Giants...but not really.
I think he has something like half the 10K/0BB playoff games ever.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I know. I’m just saying he’s good enough to give the Phillies problems.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d give us the advantage at catcher
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by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The conclusions sound pretty fair. I’d go with Posey over Ruiz, but a .400 obp from a catcher is pretty damn remarkable, so I can’t complain.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The thing is, Ruiz isn’t that good, though. His .400 OBP was because of a flukey BABIP. If you want to talk about who was more valuable over the season, sure, a push is fair. If you want to talk about who is better/who is expected to help more in this series, Posey is the clear choice.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m really confused by the McC community. It’s like….the community was so behind the Posey for ROY thing (when the argument was very weak), but then when we compare Ruiz/Posey, and Posey is clearly the better choice/right option….people are fine calling it a push. :\
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I know it’s weird. I just want everyone to agree that Posey > Ruiz. :(
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Perception Bias (?)
Phillies >>>> Giants, therefore Ruiz > or = Posey
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
Posey is far better than Ruiz…..at everything!
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I did agree with that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Posey is probably a bit better
But it’s really close – and when it’s really close, I’m fine calling it a push.
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by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Look, this past season, Posey and Ruiz were pretty much equally as valuable. It was a push. If you’re talking about how good they are/what you expect them to do going forward, though, Posey blows Ruiz away. It’s not close.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
BANNED
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean….there’s really not much of a case for Posey for ROY, kinda like there’s really not much of a case for Ruiz being better than Posey!
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I may be the only person around here who hasn’t given a moment’s thought to Heyward vs. Posey. But now that I do look at the numbers, they’re extremely close. Why do you say there’s not much of a case for Posey?
Yeah, I actually think that the Ruiz/Posey, Heyward/posey debates are very similar.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if you look at the stats they are very similar. But when you look deeper (PA for Heyward/Posey, luck Chooch/Posey) they have some serious flaws. But for this year its not a run away.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Heyward did it over a larger part of the season.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But Posey was much better relative to other catchers than Heyward was relative to other corner outfielders.
Yeah, C’s are valuable. WAR takes that into account.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
WAR is a crude formula, especially when it comes to positional adjustments. If your criteria is “Exactly how much value did this player contribute to his team over the course of the season?” (mine isn’t, but whatever), you have to look deeper than that.
WAR is a framework. It’s up to you to use it as best as possible to get the information you want. The general takeaway should be this: Heyward’s extra PT far and away outweighed any benefit Posey had going for him. It sucks, sure, but the evidence is strongly in favor of that.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s really not. We’re talking 1+ WAR difference here.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
But WAR itself leaves a lot to be desired.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Really, what is it good for?
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
not true
it would make a good working title for a book.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
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by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
seinfeldism
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs more peace.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
What does it leave to be desired? It’s a framework, you can use the framework however you want.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think defensive metrics (currently at least) accurately reflect reality, particularly with regards to the importance catchers’ defense. It leaves a lot to be desired.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What is it missing, how big of an impact do you think that has, and why do you think that’s a positive, as opposed to a negative, for Posey? And keep in mind how much ground there is to make up between the two…
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
My thinking is this: at this point, best case, defensive metrics need several seasons of data to be accurate and even then the question of how to measure a catcher’s overall value defensively s an open one. Therefore, any framework which uses them to derive some other number has some level of inaccuracy built in and is unreliable, so saying a player has a 1 WAR advantage over another doesn’t carry a lot of water with me.
As to the overall question of who deserves ROY, my heart says Posey but my brain is unsure.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but you can use the framework how you see fit. Don’t like the defensive metrics? Figure the defensive part for yourself. I sure as hell don’t use one year of UZR data for WAR. Rather, I look at the best available evidence to figure out how good I think the guy is defensively and replace fWAR’s defensive runs saved with my own best estimate. The framework is great that way. I see no reason to distrust the positional or replacement components, and the offensive component is generally exactly what I’m looking for (though at time’s Rally’s offensive component can make more sense)…..so, yeah. Use the framework. It doesn’t mean you have to take anyone else’s WAR value at face value, but that doesn’t invalidate the concept of WAR.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it does… especially if anyone can plug in whatever the hell they see fit and then point to their number and say ‘see, Heyward has a much better WAR’. It might be an interesting thing to discuss, but the tone of certainty you use is misleading (I’m referring to your assertion that ’there’s not much of a case’ for Posey).
WAR (the concept of measuring Wins Above Replacement) might be a useful and valuable thing, but at this point WAR (the number) is not something I put any faith in.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, it does… especially if anyone can plug in whatever the hell they see fit and then point to their number and say ‘see, Heyward has a much better WAR’.
And that’s where you have a followup discussion about the validity of the numbers someone is using.
at this point WAR (the number) is not something I put any faith in.
Like, the Fangraphs number? Why wouldn’t you put any faith into it. One year UZR isn’t good for defense – valid concern. I don’t see any other valid concerns. It’s easy enough to have a discussion on what defensive number to use in its place.
As for my assertion that there isn’t much of a case for Heyward, it’s not because I believe there’s one definitive WAR number that’s correct. I work in statistics, I’m very aware of the limitations of sampling and that we’re dealing with estimates here. That said, my certainty comes because when I’ve looked at it, I don’t see a way to manipulate the numbers in an honest way that makes sense so that Posey comes out on top.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Playing time is a big issue
Unless you don’t think that innings pitched matters too?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
And it’s even an issue when talking about talent level. The bigger the sample, the more meaningful it is. Right now, Heyward’s sample is ~40% bigger than Posey’s.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It should probably be mentioned that catchers pretty much always play less than other positions. When they are being considered for the MVP in the future, this will probably still be an issue.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Yeah, though the difference should be less for two players playing a full season (one at C, one in the field)….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think people are mostly surprised that Ruiz has been as good as he has, but I am surprised that people are saying it’s a push.
That said, I think there is certainly a case for Posey for ROY.
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I honestly think you have to pick your criteria based on who you want to win (Buster) to come up with a real case for him.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So much for my attempt to bow out graciously.
Please articulate the correct criteria, with your source.
There is no correct criteria. it is what you make it. The criteria that favors Posey, though, involves a whole lot of bending and pushing to try to make it work, because pretty much any other way at looking at it favors Heyward. Younger, better prospect, better season, more valuable/did more to help his team win, etc.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
“Younger” and “better prospect” aren’t relevant, and “better season” and “more valuable” are debatable.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
"better season" and "more valuable" are debatable.
If you’re being reasonable, you’d realize you’re searching really, really hard if you think these are debatable.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I personally would take younger and better prospect into account, btw. Especially the “younger” part – much more impressive for a 19 year old to put up a given season than a 25 year old to put up the same season. Also, rewards the better talents, as opposed to guys who happened to have a lucky year while they were rookies.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
(This is very much a personal preference topic, just explaining my reasoning)
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s reasonable to speculate the probable contribution that Posey would have made given a full season of service, agree that a good hitting catcher is immensely more valuable than a good hitting RF, and conclude without too much wiggling that Buster is the more deserving ROY.
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I think it’s reasonable to speculate the probable contribution that Posey would have made given a full season of service
How would you go about doing this, and where would you draw the line? Does Strasburg get the benefit of this kind of analysis? Why or why not?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey was healthy all year. Strasburg was not.
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Posey also might have needed some work in the minors for some time. And again, how do you go about speculating, and where do you draw the line? Would you have considered the case of say, Pablo Sandoval in 2008? What is your established criteria, exactly?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The argument in favor of Posey is pretty simple: He was better. And not by a little bit either. We’re talking about two hitters of similar value (Heyward’s a little bit ahead), but one of them plays catcher and the other’s in right field. Even if you feel that it’s essential to average in Posey’s time at first, it still looks like a big gap to me.
The argument against Posey is also simple: He didn’t do it long enough. A perfectly reasonable viewpoint, and you might even convince me that it’s correct. But to claim that Posey doesn’t have a case and that people are just making shit up is, not to put too fine a point on it, dead wrong.
We’re talking about two hitters of similar value
Well, not really, because Heyward did it in a much bigger sample. This is beyond just having the opportunity to play, this is one of those regression towards the mean kinda things where a given level of performance is harder to sustain and demonstrates a higher talent level if you do it in a larger sample.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
So using your argument in favor of Posey, what, then, is your consistent crtieria you would use to judge the ROY award that leads you to use that argument?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Here’s the thing: I don’t care about the ROY award. I was aware that there was a raging debate about it on a couple of threads, but I don’t read those things. But I was surprised to see you write that it wasn’t close, because what then are people arguing about? So I looked it up and discovered that, as I suspected, it is really close.
There’s no official definition of what the Rookie of the Year should be. Playing time is a consideration, and I’m not sure that I’d vote for Posey if I had a vote. But when you have to decide between rewarding value accrued through playing time and rewarding the player who actually played better … well, one road leads you to Eric Karros, the other to Willie McCovey.
There’s no official definition of what the Rookie of the Year should be.
Right. Everyone is going to have their own criteria. What I am certain of is the correct way of doing things is to have an established and consistent criteria you apply to all players. I have yet to see that out of the pro-Posey side. This is why I ask the questions I do. When you say Posey played better, I see arguments that claim they essentially hit the same. They did not. To take it to the extreme, we all know a guy going 1/1 is not better than a guy going 40/100. The same concept, to a much lesser degree, applies to Heyward and Posey – regression towards the mean. Hitting well in a larger sample is better than hitting at the same rate in a smaller sample.
As for the point about who played better…well, again, we have to judge everyone by the same criteria. The rookie who played the best was Stephen Strasburg.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And it goes back to my problem, I see people making arguments for Posey, because, well, we’re Giants fans, of course we support our boy, but I don’t see any of the pro-Posey people actually establishing a criteria to use for judging the award, judging every player by it, and then coming up with the result of Posey on top.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely. I think Baer should have relied more on career numbers. And I would choose Posey over Ruiz in this series in less than a heartbeat. I’m just not going to complain about Baer calling it a push.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It probably helps to realize that we watched Ruiz get big hit after big hit all season. It was something to behold. And might color the analysis somewhat.
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by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
This is one of the worst articles ever written:
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 7:45 AM PDT reply actions
wait
You mean Aaron Rowand hasn’t taught him to win yet? After all, he’s the one who taught the Phillies how to win in 2007.
(Yes, this is an argument I still hear from time to time)
http://www.thegoodphight.com
Rowand was too busy playing CF to teach anyone else how to win. Now that he’s on the bench he shares his wisdom freely.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
While you were typing that
Aaron Rowand already went to 0-2.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You guys can have him back
Honestly, we won’t even blink an eye.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
too late
NO BACKSIES!!
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by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Dom Brown Translation:
I have a lot of time to decide what I am going to spend my playoff share on.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You want a bad article?
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by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Your info doesn’t match my pre-decided conclusion and therefore it is wrong!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but:
The Phillies and the Giants both hit .212 in the NLDS. The Phillies didn’t exactly match up against a dominant pitching staff, either. Yes, yes, SSS. But if you leverage expected progression against a better pitching staff, it’s reasonable to assume the Giants can hold them to similar production.
If the media would set aside the big name bias (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!) and looked at numbers, these are surprisingly evenly matched teams.
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Yeah
The Giants have players who are at least league average at every position 1-8. That’s pretty good.
Of course, the Phillies do too. And they have biiiig advantages over us at 2B and in RF.
But we’ve got them a few places too. This is closer than it’s being given credit for.
score!
Especially where runs are likely to be in short supply for both teams, the outcomes are going to inherently be very close by virtue of the low scores.
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This will be a fun series.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as they split in Philly.
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Yep
I support a Lincecum-Sanchez 1-2 in Philly. Gives us the best chance, I think.
I was at the game at CBP where Sanchez beat the Phillies this year. They just couldn’t get anything going off him.
I like lefties against Philly.
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Some conditions apply
For a limited time only, Barry Zito not included.
The Phillies’s OPS against LHP is actually higher by 30 points than against RHP.
Lincecum-Cain please.
The persistence of the “Phils can’t hit lefties” meme is weird. As a team they were better against lefties last year, and they were better again this year. Do people just extrapolate from watching Ryan Howard flail?
That said, Sanchez seems a better fit than Cain for CBP, and vice versa for AT&T. Also, I like the idea of having Sanchez available out of the pen if it gets to game 7.
This
I don’t think Sanchez is the better fit because he’s left handed, but because he’s been better of late and is a better fit for CBP while Cain is a much better fit for Telephone Park.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Home/Road splits are insignificant
What does matter is that Sanchez strikes out more batters while Cain gives up more flyballs, which makes Cain so conducive to Telephone Park.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
What does matter is that Sanchez strikes out more batters while Cain gives up more flyballs, which makes Cain so conducive to Telephone Park.
You know, the difference is only about 4-5% in GB (Sanchez ~ 40%, Cain ~ 36%). Over the course of about 20 balls in play, that’s about extra flyball. Doesn’t seem like a huge deal to me.
Actually Sanchez, for his career, has been a little better at home than on the road. Matt Cain has been pretty close to the exact same for his career H/R.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Cain is one consistent mother fucker. I love him.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
But he is 33-30 at home and 24-32 on the road.
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, he consistently doesn’t really know how to win. I mean come on, he’d have 45 wins at home if he knew what he was doing.
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Soon to be mother, I believe. And would you expect anything different from Matt?
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
So she’s consistent niño, then?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
How do the games work? 2 – off day – 3 – off day – 2? Or is it something silly with as many days off as games?
You got it right
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Monday – Off
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Friday – Off
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I guess Sanchez won’t be available in the pen in game 7 no matter what. Unless they use a three-man rotation, which seems unlikely.
But MadBum would be available. Having him and Lopez would be pretty nice in a tight game against that lineup.
Also, if it’s a game 7, Lincecum would be available out of the pen on two days’ rest, although they probably wouldn’t do that unless it went to extras.
One interesting stat that gives me some pause about MadBum coming out of the pen – his splits are very pronounced with him giving up more earned runs in the first 3 innings and being pretty lights out from the 4th inning onwards. I don’t know exactly why this is, it could just be random variation. Maybe it’s the way they call his pitches? ie he tries to work off the fastball first time through the lineup and doesn’t incorporate the breaking ball until later? It certainly seemed that way in the Braves game.
It’s just an interesting split, because I feel like it’s something that could more easily be explained than something like home/road splits or hitting in RISP. It’s not some phantom skill – it could be something about his mechanics or the way they’re calling the pitches that are actually causative. I would be interested to hear a beat reporter ask MadBum about that.
Just something to consider – I still trust MadBum out of the bullpen to be nails (lol not Zito).
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s because of Howard, Utley and Ibanez.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it’s easy to judge teams based on their best players, but it doesn’t really work in baseball. In basketball, you give the ball to the best player every attack, so the rest of the players aren’t as important. That’s true to lesser extant in, say, soccer or football. But in baseball, what can you except bat the best hitter cleanup? Every hitter in the lineup is equally important.
Every hitter isn’t equally important, but the difference is small enough that your general point is still basically right. But yeah, my point is just people focus more on the stars/run producers.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
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by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, the Giants have players with genuine home run capabilities at 7 of the 8 positions, and Freddy’s even hit a couple lately. That’s the thing with this Giants team: Juan Uribe can look like a little leaguer 3 ABs and then go all jazz hands on a hanging slider in the 8th. Plus, you know, Cody Ross.
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by Giantsfan4life on Oct 13, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Cody Ross
Approaching Brian Johnson status!
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone else said the Giants actually had the best offense of any NL team in the DS.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody else was wrong.
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I assume you have numbers to show we didn’t have the best triple slash line then?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy Shit! They just showed the Don’t Stop Believing remake on the news here in Philly.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
Also they compared it to the Phillies anthem. Didn’t catch the name or the music (to much noise)
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
On April 27, the Giants beat the Phillies 6-2:
Wellemeyer pitched 7 innings and got the win;
Renteria, Sandoval, DeRosa, Molina, Schierholtz, and Matt Downs! started. Downs homered. Medders finished up.
really.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Oct 13, 2010 8:15 AM PDT reply actions
According to the media
The Giants have no chance against Bob Gibson, Tom Seaver, and Sandy Koufax.
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Sweet
Got approved to work a half day on Tuesday. FUCK YOU FOX
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by Giant among Angels on Oct 13, 2010 8:37 AM PDT reply actions
Nah. So I can watch the game at home.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces strained obliques
by Giant among Angels on Oct 13, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait, what?
Oh god dam Fox.
/cough
/cough
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
What oddsmakers think of Lincecum
I see that Vegas already has an early line out on Game #1 of the NLCS. The have the Phillies -166/+165 (or 62.3% win prob), my early run on the sim has the Phillies at 59.0%. The question then arises, is this the largest underdog the Giants have been with any Lincecum start this year? One would think so. Answer below…
In this post I chart the oddmakers odds for the Giants on all Lincecum starts.
2010 Season only
Highest odds as starter: 72.97%, May 26 Washington vs San Francisco, Luis Atiliano vs Tim Lincecum. Washington won that game.
Lowest odds as a starter: 39.37% … August 21st Giants vs Cardinals, (a struggling) Tim Lincecum vs Chris Carpenter. Cardinals won that game.
So Game #1 of the NLCS will likely be a 2010 low for him.
I'm skeptical of any computer simulation of a human event.
Is there a simulation that runs numbers on your simulation to get %accuracy of real result?
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It is measured vs ROI on bets
(or simulated bets). ROI was over 3.4% this year. But the gist of this post deals with the Vegas odds, not the simulator odds. This is the largest underdog that the Giants have been this year in a Tim Lincecum pitched game. The only other “close” game to this was the game in St Louis with Carpenter pitching.
Someone posted very different odds the other day, something along the lines of 67% Phillies. That bet, I thought was very attractive to take the Giants. My back-of-the-envelope guesstimate was 60% Phils, which makes 62% underwhelming.
I posted 69% for the Phillies in the series
For Game 1, I had 62.3%.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Vegas odds seem to be shorting the Giants some.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you basing that on?
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
What I’ve read basically indicates that in a 7 game series, the max % one team is going to win in the playoffs is around 60% or so.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
As I said, it’s for a series, not a game. If you have evidence otherwise, you’re more than welcome to present it.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha, your sentence was difficult to understand. I can’t research that at the moment (this computer) but will take a look later on. If someone wants to look up what the odds are in the series feel free to go to matchbook dot com , click on the baseball link and look at the odds for the entire series. Then please post it here.
Here is the general rule of thumb on converting from the series win probability to an average game win probability. There is a corresponding formula that does the reverse too. This was created by Tom Tango of The Book Blog.
By the way, for a 7-game series, you can use this handy little rule of thumb to take the series odds and turn them into game-odds:
seriesWinPercent / 2 + .25
So, if you have a 50% chance of winning the series, you have a 50% chance of winning each game.
If you have a 60% chance of winning the series, you have a 55% chance of winning each game (correct answer is .546).
70% → 60% (correct is .595)
80% → 65% (correct is .650)
85% → 67.5% (correct is .682)
After that, it starts to break down, but still not that bad:
90% → 70% (correct is .721)
95% → 72.5% (correct is .775)
So all it takes is to have an average win probability in each game of 55% to be a 60% favorite to win the series. We know in reality that each game has a different win probability, but you can handicap ahead and figure out the average win probability and plug into this formula (going backwards). We already know that the Phillies are 62% faves in Game #1 and my guess is that it will be around 60% again in Game #2. The three games in SF will be closer to 50%, so we are probably looking at something around 60% or higher for the Phillies winning the series.
vr, Xei
Let’s look at it another way. The Giants won 56.8% of their games this season. The Phillies 59.9%. If two teams of those talent levels played, you’d expect the better won to win 51.3% of their games. That translates to a ~52.5% chance of winning the series using that quick rule of thumb.
Now, I’m fully aware of the limitations of what I’m doing. Regular season record is subject to random variation. The Phillies didn’t have Oswalt all year. We’re not going 5 man rotations. Unbalanced schedules. So yeah, it could definitely be improved upon. It’s a start, though, and it makes me skeptical. What’s your methodology for figuring out expected win% in a given game?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
My methodology would be running my baseball simulator with the expected lineups from each game 100k times to come up with a win probability. Also, I have enough experience of studying the Vegas odds to have a pretty good idea what they will be. These are both much better methods than what you have proposed above for the obvious reasons you have stated.
Here is my swag at the 7 win probabilities given a four man rotation for each team
Lincecum/Halladay: 38%
Cain/Oswalt: 40%
Hamels/Sanchez: 52%
Blanton/Bumgarner: 55%
Halladay/Lincecum: 47%
Cain/Oswalt: 40%
Hamels/Sanchez: 43%
Average: 45%
Plugging 45/55 into our formula above we get the Phillies with approximately a 60% chance of winning this seven game series. With 10 cent juice/vig the oddsmakers would list this as -155/+145 which means bet $155 on the Phillies to win $100, or bet $100 on the Giants to win $145. This of course was just an educated exercise.
vr, Xei
You should really run it
With Sanchez going up against Oswalt in game 2, since they’re hinting that might happen.
it won't matter
using this formula. You will subtract X from one game and add X to the other. Cain/Sanchez would each get two games. Of course pitching matchups for game seven could get switched around as both teams will throw the kitchen sink if need be. So this is really just an educated exercise, but we can get a pretty accurate estimate using this methodology.
I’m curious how you set talent levels. Also curious how you sim stuff like bullpen usage?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Great question(s)
1. Talent levels. I create my own set of hitter and pitcher projections much like ZIPS, Chone or Marcel does. I have a database of player stats both on offense, pitching and defense back to the 2002 season (since I use BIS). I then came up with the best formula for weighting most recent performance vs old performance and regressing towards a mean and regressing for small sample sizes. My calibrations are all proprietary but I will say that they are quite a bit different from the simple 5/4/3 of Marcel. There are a few other small things that go into it as well.
2. Bullpen usage. For bullpen usage I program a one size fits all AI Manager. Since I am actually simulating a game, I keep track of pitch counts and the leverage index of the game. I program pitchers to tire after reaching a certain threshold of pitches thrown. I also select bullpen pitchers based off of the leverage index and sometimes the lefty/righty matchup. The AI manager will be more likely to go to the bullpen in a close high leverage game. I use the better pitchers during high leverage situations and the worse pitchers during low leverage situations and I try to follow the save situation for closer usage. I also can deem a relief pitcher unable to pitch for a certain game if he threw too many pitches the night before and is likely to be rested.
Hope this helps.
Interesting. Do you have any intention of publishing your projections ever, and maybe comparing them to the big name ones?
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
that interested in that. I published them for the Dodgers during the pre-season, but my projections are not really meant as seasonal projections, they are calibrated on a daily basis to know each players “true talent” level at that particular day. The way I might test this is to use ZIPS, Marcel, Chone etc… in my simulator instead of my own projections and see which has a higher ROI vs Vegas. This would be too much burdensome work for me. I have tested probably 200 variations of hitter, pitcher, defense projection calibrations and am pretty happy with what I have. Everything is backtested against a control group of games from the 2005 to 2009 season. In otherwords, if I make a significant code change, it has to show improvement in the control group before I would implement it.
Interesting. Are you a professional gambler, then? I can’t see any other potential use/reason to put that effort in…
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If those numbers are correct (and there's no reason to believe they're not)
The Giants are criminally undervalued going into this series.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
that's just the betting
on the Phils.
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The playoffs is SSS
He’s been very good in the regular season.
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by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It's all there in the public domain
it has done well. Would’ve made money betting. Not saying you should bet, just answering your question. Of course a few games (playoffs only) is too small of a sample size to say that a system is good, bad or somewhere in the middle. Thanks for the thoughtful question though.
vr, Xei
I threw in a hundy
on the Giants to win the WS before the playoffs started at 9-1. It was money I had won from a few bets earlier this season. I don’t bet much and I am not worried about losing this money, since it is the books money anyway.
by Countificus on Oct 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
what's HFA?
5%? I guess I can buy 5-7% for Halliday/Phillies offensive over Lincecum in a neutral park. I suspect that you are underrating defense, though.
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So now that the Rays are out, we really do have to win the WS. They were the only mildy likable team left.
It’s frightening how much I’ve warmed up to the Texas Rangers, simply because of the alternatives.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Let's see
1) Dodgers
2) Rockies
3) Yankees
4) Padres
5) Phillies
6) Red Sox
7) Braves
So I guess Rangers are 8th. After that there’s a big meh-zone, then 2-3 teams I like.
Also: it’s amazing how much I’ve grown to hate the Rockies in the past two years.
Seriously
The Padres are #4, they’re easily number 2 this year.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
what's with the Rangers hate?
I’ve seen others mention it, and I don’t immediately know why. A holdover from other seasons? Prior ownership? Nolan Ryan? Toby Harrah?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t even really begrudge them for that. It’s not like he was the first odious owner in sports, or even the first to enrich himself by duping the taxpayers into buying him a nice new ballpark.
The Rangers are a pretty tortured franchise, probably only behind the Cubs, Indians, and Giants. I don’t hate them, although I guess if they win it will make a bunch of asshole Texans happy. But, hey, they’re not all assholes.
It’s less that than that the Rangers were the vehicle by which the Texas GOP enriched W Bush, making his run to the White House possible. I hate to wish on a counterfactual, since the alternative might have been even worse, but I’ll do it here.
OK so one for ownership
assuming wcw is saying Ranger hate.
I’m curious about the others. Yankee, Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, division rivals… but a random team in the other league is interesting to me.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
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by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually like the Rangers, although that’s likely based on their history of not winning/them not being the Angels. It would go away if they do well for a couple of years in a row.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Bandwagoners
Like, crazy crazy crazy ass bandwagoners who couldn’t tell you Julio Borbon from Nelson Cruz
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
Better than some recent years. I was terrified I’d have to sit and watch a Dodgers/Yankees World Series.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Nate is all where's the booze?
Overplayed memes:
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You mean in front of Cain? Is it Travis?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Huff, Cain probably the bat boy
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by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Also known as
Javier Lopez.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Natto's probably already done this better:
Utter frustration and futility.
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by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Reds Pitching
Everyone’s talking about how our pitching only shut down the Braves LOLffense, and how the Phillies pitching is going to shut down our LOLffense. But no one seems to be talking about how the Reds LOLtation shut down the Phillies LOLffense!
Good point
The Phillies only hit .212 or so against a Reds pitching staff who’s best pitcher wouldn’t crack the top 4 on the Giants.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Extremely SSS though.
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by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
BA HA HA HA HA
You know what kind of pitchers do well against the Giants? The ones with noses. Ol’ Slitface Jamberson wouldn’t stand a chance against the Giants, but a pitcher with two proper nostrils is usually just murder on this team.
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I’m rereading the series (again!) and just hit the end of the Triwizard Tournament. I love Goblet of Fire. The first two times I finished it (“Nothing is fucked? The goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain!” (to mix my references)), I had to immediately go out for a long, very brisk walk to burn off energy.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
After the Giants beat the Braves on Monday in Atlanta to win their division series, tickets for the first game between the Giants and the Phillies in Philadelphia on Saturday jumped 7 percent.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/phillies-beat-yankees-in-ticket-price/
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jumping tickets
What a time to be alive
My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 13, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
We do not. Stand. A freaking. Chance.
…which is precisely why we have a shot at this thing.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Oct 13, 2010 10:08 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm certain the Giants will be honored to have been devoured by the Phillies' Holy Trinity.
There’s something very freeing about this series. I have absolutely no expectations and yet I’m very, very excited. I’m going to be cautiously optimistic here: I might not experience a single moment of heartbreak or torture. The Giants have had a great year. For all my pessimism, they’ve proven me wrong time and time again. I don’t need to have anything proven to me; this will be fun!
THIS
Playing with house money at this point.
That being said. If it gets to the point where it looks like they could win the damn thing, I will immediately revert back to torture mode.
Nah. For me, it will be like, “That sucks that the Phillies decide to show up right at the end.” I will allow that if every game ends with Jayson Werth doinking one on the foul line I might start to get upset about the outcome.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
We aren’t playing with house money until we finally win a WS.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Look at the OF that started on opening day and tell me we’re not playing with house money. Making it to the NLCS is a damn impressive accomplishment. I want a World Series more than anything, but I’m also a realist.
Well, you could also say “look at the pitching staff”….
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it’ll all be torture for me. I won’t be disappointed with the season if the Phillies beat the Giants, but torture nonetheless because I know that with just a few breaks the Giants could beat the Phillies.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Every pitcher is Roy Halladay to the Giants.
So true.
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"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
by 49er16 on Oct 13, 2010 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
o_O
"My toughest opponent? Scholes of Manchester. He is the complete midfielder." -Zinedine Zidane
"If City play a game against United for 89 minutes, maybe they’ll have a chance." -King Eric Cantona
by Useful_Idiot on Oct 13, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
It's officially Orange October in North Beach...
For those of you who didn’t see this in the city last night:
…Can’t remember if I already posted this or not.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Small gif is small
Bigger gif is bigger.
"Mike Laga will make you forget about every power hitter that ever lived." - Sparky Anderson
"You're alright, La Russo." - Johnny Lawrence
Yes!
Also, One Rincon Hill’s weather beacon went orange, too:
And City Hall!
Have you ever thrown a fist full of glitter in the air?
♥ 2010 San Francisco Giants ♥
♥ McCoven ♥
i stood in my doorway after the win the other night and drunkenly gazed at this for about 10 minutes with a stupid smirk on my face
by NeifiPerezz on Oct 13, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Darn
MLB names Heath Bell (not Brian Wilson) as majors’ best closer in regular season. “Delivery Man of the Year” voted on by a panel from MLB.
Who cares
This is what is going to eventually make awards insignificant: they continue to get them wrong.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Weapons grade preening fauxhawk douchebag
Also, Heath Bell is pretty fucking fantastic.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
What the FUCK is “Delivery Man of the Year”?!
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
It use to be the Roloids Relief Pitcher of the Year.
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Designated Obstetrician
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Only b/c BW won the Cy Young
Overplayed memes:
EASTCOAST BIAS
2002 WS CANCELED
Blue Jays want all our player that we don't utilize correctly
by say hey nation on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
i would not want to be the one to break this news to Weez
by TimLaser and MattyC on Oct 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
There might be a mental assassination.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude struck people out.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
this will just inspire him to be better
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
It's cool.
Joakim Soria only got 43 saves for the fucking dismal-ass Kansas City Royals.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
i love this, Grant
today’s post might be my favorite thing you’ve done. So brilliant and absolutely true. It captures one of the many reasons why this is my favorite Giants team. Thanks for the work.
by sweetjuxtapose on Oct 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
Hey grant just so you know
Calling out Eugenio specifically could be perceived as racist. I’m a whiteboy and everything so I’m personally cool with it, but this is a diverse site.
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lulz
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
You know, in my head when i was writing the “i’m a whiteboy and everything so i’m personally ok with it” I was channeling my inner Kanye. “thats great and ima let you finish but….”
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by Andy from DC on Oct 13, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
What an odd qualifying phrase. It almost sounds like it’s really saying, “I’m a racist myself, so it’s no problem for me; just be a little more subtle.”
I’m sure that’s not the guy’s intent, but it just sounds weird to me.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
It’s in reference to this little thread from yesterday.
yeah, im a fucking racist alright. that’s why two of my best friends are mexican and african american.
by giant4life83 on Oct 13, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh boy.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Just wow.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
the Giants
always make it to the world series when they win a postseason series.
how come the media doesnt latch on this
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by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
LOLWUT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_National_League_Division_Series
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Gah. Me fail.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
what kind of frikin sick joke is this?
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by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I misread you, hence the “me fail” post.
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by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
And when have they not?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a dream last night where there was another playoff round before the Phillies where the Giants had to play the Padres. It really sucked.
"I wouldn't say the beard got us here, but I wore it here." - Brian Wilson
that really sounds horrible.
fwiw I would rather be playing PHI than SD in this series
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by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn, that sucks.
I had a sex dream last night. It was awesome.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
OT
Bravos are making it official
ajcbraves
#Braves will introduce Gonzalez as next manager in about 15-20 minutes here at Turner Field
They could be Giants...but not really.
No reason to wait, I guess, especially since the news about Fredi had already started leaking.
They could be Giants...but not really.
Not really. Everyone knew Cox was retiring…
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And there were rumors of Gonzalez being the next Braves manager when he was fired by Florida.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Considering your respective icons, I am always entertained when one of you replies to the other. It’s like he’s having an imaginary conversation with himself while sitting alone on the bench.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
really trying to tip the scales
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by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Even Phillies fans in So Cal are irrational and irate....
One was telling me at a Target that we shouldn’t even be in it and it should’ve been the Padres. He says I’m INSANE to think Giants would sneak in one win in the series. I said he was a closeted Padre fan having Phillie affair or any team other than my GIANTS.
so did you fuck him up?
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
A buddy of mine in Sacramento
made a ten-dollar bet with a slightly overconfident Philly fan that the Giants wouldn’t get swept. I mean, wow; I hope that’s how the Phillies players are thinking, too.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude has looked exactly the same for like 20 years. Unreal.
by Murray, Present on Oct 13, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Lose the hat, dude.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Let's never speak of this again
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Read at your own peril
http://the701level.com/2010/10/13/nlsc-pervew-part-1-teh-gaints-fucklen-shittyass-pirchers/
OK so cole hamles had a fucken GUDDASS ERA in2008 but erry1 liek "HAHAH NO TIM IS BETTAR" but oh yeh one ting: THEY 4got to fucken look at COLEES BABBIP. yeh so WAT TEH FUCK sprot riters yeh all u TIM VERDICHIS N TIM KURKJANS n fucklen BOB JAMES thik u all SMAT but u
forgot that COL EHa d a bettar BABBIP
Look out for a clutch Todd Wellemeyer reference.
The701Level is utterly brilliant.
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I lol'd.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
if there’s one thing i can’t stand, it’s sprot riters who thik tey all smat
by NeifiPerezz on Oct 13, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t understand any of that.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
That’s not a bad thing.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
My head hurt just trying to read that preview...
/avoids full story
by Big Americans on Oct 13, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
this series will be close
It will likely come down to a couple of very visible errors (umpires or players). If the Giants lose, there will likely be an error or other memorable sin which will be viewed as the “turning point” (notwithstanding the overall team performance), and the Giant who makes it will forever be enshrined alongside other famous “fails” in Giant history. That would be too bad, because the Giants seem to be pretty nice people. I hope the true fan will not crucify anyone, but rather see the whole thing as a stochastic process in which a single error or GiDP is not what decided it.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
Don't worry. The umps will fuck it up.
They always do.
Foul ball.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty epic
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
by jctGamer on Oct 13, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
needz moar eliminations
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
no bumgarner, no hidden zito
NO WIN
I'm a Giants Fan. I have no fingernails. You knew this.
by iCANwatchMOLINAneverCLEANUPagain on Oct 13, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope this is "LEE-roy" not "leROY"
That would be a great ballpark chant, by the way.
And the worst part, those fukin’ douchenozzles over at the MCC get to lord this over us.
lol Cain
thinks it’s funny.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Cain looks so goofy
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
if you look closely
all their started are “higher” than the giants pitchers
by Wreckonized on Oct 13, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt anybody is "higher" than Lincecum
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Is this for fucking real?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
oh my goodness
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
zeets
That was done by your 12 year old nephew, right?
http://www.thegoodphight.com
by WholeCamels on Oct 13, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s awful.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
foxfail. geez, the movie was unwatchable, this ad is worse. MY EYES, MY EYES!
by shaggingflyballs on Oct 13, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Four Barrys enter, One Barry leaves
I think second from the left has what it takes.
My adopted Giant got shipped off to Pittsburgh, and it was worth it.
by rightcenterfielder on Oct 13, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
that's awesome
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Timmy's face looks like "Please, sir, may I have another?"
Kinda weird.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Oswalt looks confused.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Doc looks scared.
Tim looks calm.
This makes me feel good.
by The Double Deuce on Oct 13, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Oswalt looks like he’s trying to figure out a discreet way to tell you that your fly is open.
by non sequitur on Oct 13, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wait,
Game one is gonna end up being like 11-7 Giants. With both starters being blasted.
Just to screw with us all.
But the Giants still win of course.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA200210200.shtml
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Yeesh.
I had visions of that night several times already this postseason, and those were after one-run games.
Great shot kid… now don’t get cocky.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't surprise me
especially if it’s hot weather next week.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy Shit Roy Halladay
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=hallaro01&t=p&year=2010
1 start under 6 IP in 2010 (5.2). 250 innings pitched.
Jesus Christ.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Gavin Newsom FTW!
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom is looking forward to seeing the Giants’ flag raised over Atlanta City Hall now that the team has beaten the Braves in the divisional playoffs.
Newsom said on Tuesday that he has already sent the team’s flag to Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed to honor their bet.
The two mayors had agreed to hoist the winning team’s flag over the losing team’s City Hall. The losing mayor must also welcome the winner to his city for a personal, behind-the-scenes tour of its best attractions.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Anchor Steam for Yuengling!
It’s-Its for Tastykakes!
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
everytime
someone mentions Tastycakes, I imagine we’re playing a team that comes from the Homestar Runner universe.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Disagree.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
The only way that Yuengling is superior is that it is significantly cheaper.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Yeah, if you like corn-flavored beer.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Admittedly, I haven’t had it for a while since it doesn’t seem to be available very far west but this is what I remember:
Yuengling: Yum! Why have I not had this before?
Anchor Steam: Meh
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
Part of the attraction of Yuengling is the scarcity. I live in Ohio and have to drive across the Ohio/WV border to get it.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Yeah. One could get rich by setting up a black market Yuengling distribution on the West Coast.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yuengling is pretty similar to the big 3 quality wise.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
I’d say it’s better, and their Black and Tan line is pretty great for a cheap beer.
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I do enjoy the Black and Tan, as well. Quality beer for the price. I’m pretty “meh” on the rest of the line. I do often get Yuengling at bars on tap.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose I could be a bit blinded by the novelty of it, but I’ve enjoyed it every time I’ve had it, and I’m, well, a beer snob. Then again, even we can be caught off-guard.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
See, I live in Philly. No novelty here. It’s everywhere, have it all the time. It’s fine, but it’s not that good.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh, not surprised about the article...
I made a crack about Bud on the Anchor tour and the tour guide really laid into me. In short he said that: 1) lagers are really difficult to make, 2) Bud didn’t get 50% market share because it was shit. Since then, I’ve really learned to appreciate those “lesser” macrobrews.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
2) Bud didn’t get 50% market share because it was shit.
Well, Anheuser-Busch doesn’t have 50% market share because it was good, either, and the big macrobrews are losing market share, on the whole, to craft brewers. Which is especially noteworthy considering that almost no craft brewers advertise alongside the big companies.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
big macrobrews are losing market share, on the whole, to craft brewers.
Where are you getting this information? As best as I can tell, the Big 3 have upwards of 93% market share in the U.S. The other 7% is made up of a consortium of independent brewers; of that 7%, ~40% is bankrolled by the Big 3. Many “craft brewers” are allied with one of the Big 3.
Here’s a quick list: http://www.brewersassociation.org/pages/business-tools/craft-brewing-statistics/facts
Basically, as people have less money, they’re realizing that instead of wasting their money on crappy, low-alcohol beer, they can spend a little more and get much better beer (or much more alcohol, if you swing that way).
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 14, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope.
Yuengling is good, especially for the price, but Anchor Steam is not only better, but literally the reason there is any good beer made in America today.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but the brewery was a pioneer.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
What troy says below. You should take the tour and find out more (it’s free and awesome!)
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Not only did I not say anything resembling that, I insinuated the exact opposite.
After Prohibition, [almost] all the breweries in America shut down, and went it was lifted, a small handful of breweries with good business practices, good marketers, and shitty brewers seized almost the entire market. It wasn’t until Fritz Maytag bought and reinvented the dilapidated Anchor Brewing in the 1970s that American brewers realized there was more out there than Schlitz, and that’s why there’s such a glut of awesome, available affordable beer made all over America today.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t mean to nitpick but it isn’t hard to read this
but literally the reason there is any good beer made in America
and think that you are saying that if it wasn’t for Anchor Steam there wouldn’t be any good beer made in America.
I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth and that’s why I asked…for clarification.
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
Yeah, but
if it wasn’t for Anchor Steam there wouldn’t be any good beer made in America
which is what I did say is much different from
Anchor Steam is the only good beer made in America
which is not what I said.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Taxpayer dollars hard at work.
The losing mayor must also welcome the winner to his city for a personal, behind-the-scenes tour of its best attractions.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So Newsom is going to get a behind the scenes tour of the Waffle House?
"Baseball is a game played by the dextrous, but only understood by the poindextrous." - Professor Frink
Don’t forget about the Piggly Wiggly.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
im sure there’s a Five Guys around there somewhere.
by NeifiPerezz on Oct 13, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouold bet
There is a Piggly Wiggly in Buster’s hometown as well as Cain’s
by Countificus on Oct 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
CHECK OUT THE SIGHTS
THE SCENIC DELTA HUB
THE COCA COLA FACTORY AND BOTTLING PLANT
TURNER FIELD
You can go now.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
Great article about Andres
Torres’ favorite is Pujols. He is in such awe of Pujols’ swing that he’ll not only watch his at-bats but go online and use Google to find out more. In early 2008 he found some flipbooks breaking down the Cardinals first baseman’s swing frame by frame and out of the blue called the website’s creator, a St. Louis area suburban dad named Chris O’Leary who has read voraciously about hitting but has no professional background, and said, “Hey, I read your stuff. It really made a lot of sense. Tell me more about this connection thing.”
Though his cell phone number is listed on his website, O’Leary was stunned to receive a call, particularly from a ballplayer — especially this one. “As soon as I got off the phone with him, I Googled him just to see what was up,” O’Leary said. “I had never heard of him.”
Connection is a hitting term for the idea that the hands should rotate in sync with the back shoulder on a swing, to generate power from the whole body. Pujols is perhaps the most perfect practitioner of this. As O’Leary explains, the hitting cue thrown around many commentators and instructors — extension — is often used incorrectly, as extension is not the cause of a good swing but the effect.
Torres found a sympathetic ear in O’Leary and the two have traded a few dozen calls, texts and email over the past two years, even working out together in Puerto Rico in Jan. 2009.
“The biggest thing is he’s very open-minded,” O’Leary said. “To a degree some of that is he’s from outside the system. He’s not afraid to question the dogma.”
They could be Giants...but not really.
by esseffgeez on Oct 13, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Ok, I just fell a little bit more in love with Torres.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 13, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm, a pro-player who’s been indispensable to the home team all year talking on and on about hitting? That’s like foreplay to a baseball nerb.
Welcome to McCovey Chronicles: Calm down
From now on, every day is Thong Thursday!
"Buster's basically a 21-year-old hot-chick that's an old soul" - Barry Zito
by Prussian Creole on Oct 13, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I can just see him talking a mile a minute about
hittinganything.
fixed.
by shaggingflyballs on Oct 13, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t really understand how the Phillies missed the playoffs. Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright, Carpenter, Garcia, Rasmus, Ludwick…
Maybe Winn is cursed.
Molina and Freese were also pretty good. And Westerbook was good in the rotation.
How bad could the rest of the team be that they could mess this up?
Molina couldn't hit that much
but managed to be awesome enough at catching that he ended up as an above average player.
Freese has ankles made of what I can only surmise is crystallized sugar.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Easy answer – they made the playoffs!
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Rasmus and Ludwick had trouble with TLR, Freese got hurt, and pretty much everybody else you didn’t mention wasn’t very good.
by Every6thDay on Oct 13, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Pujols, Holliday, Wainwright, Carpenter, Garcia and Rasmus aren't very good?
Wha?
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Everyone else he didn’t mention.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
by Mike Benjamin Hit King on Oct 13, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, right
yeah, thats pretty much right.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Jon Jay did alright too
besides that, you pretty much got it.
We still should have made the playoffs /bitter
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
but enough about the Cardinals...
…cuz I don’t think the Phillies missed the playoffs.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
The O'Leary mentioned in this article is a rather active contributor to Viva El Birdos
He’d be glad to shoot the breeze with you about Andres Torres. God knows it’s all he can talk about anyway.
If knowledge is the key, then just show me the lock.
Got the scrawny legs but I move just like Lou Brock.
Was there a discussion on whether Philly might tweak its rotation and go Doc, Camels, Oswalt?
They could be Giants...but not really.
Gotta go with Moyer over Hamels. How can you discount the experience?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Some Moyer tidbits
Fun fact: Moyer is older than all those guys.
Moyer once induced Babe Ruth to weakly pop up…when Babe Ruth was 12.
Moyer showed Candy Cummings how he threw, and Cummings invented the curve.
Moyer cut off two of Mordecai Brown’s fingers in a bar fight, leading to Brown’s unique nickname.
Moyer built the barn door Walter Johnson used to throw baseballs through.
Moyer once struck out General Robert E. Lee AND General Ulysses S. Grant in the same pickup game at Appomattox.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Also
Nice of The Inquirer to offer to cut Timmy’s hair for free:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20101013_Phillies_Notes__Rotation_may_have_different_look_for_NLCS.html
(upper lefthand corner)
They could be Giants...but not really.
The giants flag is gonna be flying on atlana's city hall
apparently gavin newsom made a bet and won:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/cityinsider/detail?entry_id=74418
No baseball until Saturday
This sucks, why give everyone three days off in between series? I’m all for making the playoffs more like the regular season and adding an extra round. If teams played the day after traveling it would be more like the regular season and there wouldn’t be all of these gaps in between games.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
DH=Fake Baseball
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that what it would have been
if Game 5 were tonight?
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No extra round. It’s nice to have a meaningful regular season.
Fun fact: "Mota" is Bengali for "fat".
1993.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Home Runs
The Giants are not going to string together rallies with a bunch of walks/hits etc. There best way to score will be long ball. Halladay gave up 24 HR’s. Hamels 26 and Oswalt 19. Course Halladay through a boatload of innings.
This
The Giants offense is predicated on a hit, a walk and the three run home run.
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And Western Suns
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
I wish I would stop cheating. fuck. this is jctgamer's fault -- jponry
Torture
Bring on the slow, sweet, torturous, Giants baseball. .5-0 win over Roy Halladay? Ill take it. Sac fly for the 1 hit 1-0 Matt Cain loss. im prepared for it. 11-0 Jonathan Sanchez win on a 11 run homer by Buster Posey, sold. Bumgarner pitching to convince people hes not the forgotten child of the Giants incredible pitching. Done. Back to Lincecum to bring it home. Giants in 5, Giants to the World Series. FUCK YEAH
by ThankGodItsFinley on Oct 13, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
This is hilarious
From the good folks over at the Good Phight
This is pretty hilarious
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
That’s damn funny. These Phillies fans are growing on me.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
the phillies may be
on top of the world in the last few years… but Phillie fans are hard-core long-time sufferers.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
EVERYONE MUST READ THIS
Read the other links at the bottom… highlight Pat’s travails before the Giants signed him. PLUS: EPIC PAT BURRELL BEAT POETRY
No, I am not making this up.
When this .sig was awaiting the Final Sabean Apocalypse, I never once in a million years suspected it would be a "good" Apocalypse. Bengie... Don't let the door hit you IN YOUR GIANT ASS on the way out!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game totally stalled and basically dead at this point
This
BURL, a poem. It is epic. And possibly eerily prescient?
I’m with you in San Fran
where you accuse your critics of insanity and
plot the National League’s revolution against the
fascist american league Gotham City
ha
Raul Ibanez – You just can’t ever tell me, ever, that I couldn’t have performed as well as this guy did and for half the damn money too. Have you seen his throws? I mean, shit! Tell our pitchers to bean him.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
OT
I didn’t want to bring it up yesterday and turn it into an angry free-for-all, but man, some A’s fans hate us.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
I read some of that yesterday. Screw A’s fans, we have more important things to worry about.
Although, I must admit that I find the concept of rooting for the Yankees to beat the Giants rather shocking.
Also, complaining about the Giants payroll (admittedly high) while not noting that $30 million of that is tied up in Zito and Rowand, is somewhat silly. The Giants are a large payroll team, but the players winning games for them are not. Of course, I wish they’d spent all of that money more wisely, then the A’s fans could legitimately complain and I’d just return to my first point.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Talked about this before
Taking out Rentaria, Rowand, and Zito’s contracts…Giants are around $60 millions (including fractional contribution from the three previously mentioned)..
I forgot about Renteria. Yeah, not really as a big a payroll team as the raw numbers suggest.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, yeah
And taking out Chavez’s and Sheets’ contracts, the A’s are around $35M.
And Zito and Renteria, unlike Sheets or Chavez, actually provided value.
Of course, complaining about the Giants payroll and then rooting for the Yankees to beat the Giants is silly.
by Missing Barry on Oct 13, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a paradox!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
But
What about Moneyball? Our GM can’t even use a calculator, so that should be the great equalizer right?….right?
I HATE YOU PABLO!
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
*sigh*
G. K. Chesterton was right.
I was going to link to the Wikipedia article on his book “The Napoleon of Notting Hill” but it didn’t really describe the book in a way that would make my reference make any sense. So, in short:
Chesterton wrote a book in which a fictional, future, and very boring London is divided into arbitrary districts by a king who thinks it’s a great practical joke. By the end of the book, the districts have fought an entire war because someone took the joke seriously.
Sometimes I think that’s what happens with sports fans.
I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Haven't seen it...
Maybe next HBO series to watch?
HBO series have been hit and miss for me…Soprano, Entourage, and Deadwood have been disappointing…Rome is incredible…
You shouldn’t have conceded reply fail. I thought this was brilliant.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Best kind of genius.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Deadwood disappointing?
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
The cursing really annoyed me…I don’t mind some cursing but it really distracted me from the series…
/shakes head sadly
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it annoyed me too. It just seemed so overdone. Ooooh I’m on HBO I’m gunna say a swear, wait not just A swear…every fucking other goddamn word shit will fucking be ass a fucking-mother-fucking obscenity bitches.
Mr. Merope liked it, and will probably get the bluray boxed dealio for Xmas. I didn’t watch more than 30 minutes of it.
On most occassions, if you get a bunch of unscrupulous & dangerous men together outside the constraints of decency, you’re going to get a lot of cursing. Which is why I found it authentic, and not fake.
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
I agree...maybe it's just me
But it’s just distracting…a little like fingernails on chalkboard…I can’t concentrate on anything else other than the swearing..
Excessive swearing was also one of many reasons why I disliked the Departed.
Maybe it’s because I was a Teamster for 13 years, but the of cursing didn’t even phase me. I consider the dialogue in that show to be poetry.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If you can get passed the cursing, it’s a really well done show. Is that what turned you off from the Sopranos as well?
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
And of course he’s the one who follows the link over there and starts shit-talking. :facepalm:
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Troy, I just read that entire thread.
And you put on a virtu-fucking-oso performance over there.
That was some truly tortured logic that you were up against. To sum up:
This one time, back in the early ‘80s or so, this one guy was, like, vaguely condescending to me or something, and so therefore all Giants fans suck; and this one other time, I went to a game, and literally (literally!) zero people paid attention to the game except me and my buddy because we’re True Baseball Fans and people should hate the Giants bcuz Sabean and love the A’s bcuz Beane.
I was surprised and pleased to see how many A’s fans called that bullshit out and are as sick of the tired ginatz-fanz-dont-care-about-baseball-just-wine-and-401ks meme as we are, actually.
Giants Baseball: The Thing Is, It Keeps Happening.
Proud parent of William Nuschler M.F. Clark.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Oct 13, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Have to respectfully disagree with you on this one
I get a lot of comp tickets to Giants games, and am honestly embarrassed to admit how many games I have attended over the last few years. I Consistently sit around "fans" having loud conversations about their wine collections, trips abroad, city politics etc etc. Very seldom do you run into fans who talk or seem to appreciate baseball. I have heard it is much the same for Dodger games.
by hishnik on Oct 12, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
I mean, I gotta respect A’s fans for showing up at that piece of shit stadium, but that wannabe marching band shit needs to go.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In the “I just made this the fuck up” section.
Plus, what’s wrong with having discussions about things other than baseball during a baseball game? Baseball games are often 3-4 hours long. They can be slow. Most people aren’t going to talk about nothing but baseball for that long.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I can't even do it on a game thread.
Although some might wish I would.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
2000?
I remember boatloads of investment banker and lawyer summer program clones standing around, literally with their backs to the game. But it’s been a long, long time since I saw that.
"Bochy said there was nothing wrong with Buster Posey. He thought Eli Whiteside had a better chance of scoring on a gapper...Bochy said he might have had Whiteside try to steal second"
"What do I want you to do? What are you doing in the National League?"- John McGraw
"117 elements, and still no Stanfurdium"- carp (paraphrased)
by natteringnabob on Oct 13, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was bad for a while.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Oct 13, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If this person had been paying more attention to the game they might not have noticed. BURN!
by shaggingflyballs on Oct 13, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That reminds me, have any of you tried the 2005 Merlot? It’s just delightful.
/turns up nose as Lincecum strikes someone out, golf claps approvingly
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
No, if anyone orders Merlot, I’m leaving. I am NOT drinking any fucking Merlot!
by shaggingflyballs on Oct 13, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
SO TRUE
I’m looking at you, Goofus.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember in 2003 when we were the juggernaut and got Jose Cruzed
Anything is possible
Thanks for reminding me
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What are your thoughts on "Dream On"?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Oct 13, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven't seen it yet
HBO series have been largely disappointing…Soprano and Entourage were meh…Deadwood was interesting but way way too much cursing…
Rome is incredible…maybe I will check out Dream On
THIRTEEN!
It's Johnnie Walker inside.
by Lies and Perfidy on Oct 13, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t forgive that show for not staging the battles of Pharsalus or Actium except off-camera. Also, Vorenus’ excursion into the Mob, excuse me, the “collegia”, in Season 2, seemed like a desperate grab for the same old organized-crime shtick that is HBO’s bread and butter.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
Guys,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I was just over at ESPN and there was this big fat bearded guy sitting behind a desk in this one video and he said, “it doesn’t look like they’re (the Giants) gonna score.” I don’t know what to say. I had high hopes for this series, but that is all gone now. THat wasn’t everything either. He said, “The Phillies are going to score runs.” He said "runs"—like, plural. This sucks. They are going to score multiple runs and the Giants aren’t going to score any. This means we will lose the series.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
He was fatter.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ray Ratto’s working for ESPN? Seriously?
Giants Front Office....Torture!
by Giant Torture on Oct 13, 2010 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, okay, you win
He wasn’t THAT fat.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I really think the Giants have more than a decent chance at winning
for this very reason. That, and nobody thinks we will. Which is a good thing, because none of my teams can ever handle expectations.
Also, what the actual fuck? Since when are Halladay/Oswalt/Hamels THAT much better than Lincecum/Cain/Sanchez? When did I fall asleep and wake up to find that somehow our 3 is in any way inferior to their 3? Is it because they play on the east coast? Because that’s really the biggest difference I can find. Our pitching is fucking awesome too, and we have more depth at SP and a MUCH better bullpen.
But let’s just ignore all of that, because the PHILLIES are the PHILLIES! SO THEY’RE GOING TO WIN! BECAUSE THEY’RE THE PHILLIES!
Seriously, the media can go fuck itself. The Phillies are probably a better team than the Giants, but it’s not anywhere near as lopsided as everyone seems to think it is.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
You lack histrionics...
DFA is a complete tool, in my opinion. Think bondslegend but with more histrionics.
by IRONxMIKE on Oct 13, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THAT'S IT WHO FUCKING COMPARED ME TO THAT DOUCHE
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
by bondslegend on Oct 13, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe I read through this entire thread.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 13, 2010 2:06 PM PDT reply actions
We're all actually in the next one
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, who's mind is currently elsewhere
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
/mentions fantasy baseball team
I actually just went to see if there was a new thread. dammit.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 13, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not posted on the front page for some reason but there is one. I found it from a fan post: www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/10/14/18FTW/llamas-watching-always
I CAN HAZ MARK REYNOLDS?
….damn you.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
by walkoff baltimore chop on Oct 13, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The Good Phight says the Phillies Should Start Joe Blanton in Game 1
reminds me of Sun-tzu
The famous story of Top Horse, Middle Horse, and Weak Horse in the Warring States Period (476-221 B.C.) exemplifies the advantages of the Taoist dialectic. Sun Bin was a master strategist who served General Tian of the Kingdom Qi. General Tian raced horses with the princes of Qi as a hobby, often wagering large sums of money. One day, General Tian came up to Sun for advice on an upcoming horse race, which seemed to be at a draw. As the usual practice went, the contest consisted of three races. The traditional strategy for victory was to pit one’s best, middle, and worst horse against the similar horses of his rival. Sun Bin advised General Tian to race his worst horse against his rival’s best horse, to pit his best horse against his rival’s middle horse, and finally to use his middle horse to compete against his rival’s worst horse. General Tian followed Sun’s advice; after one loss and two wins, General Tian was declared the final winner of the contest. As a good strategist, Sun Bin saw the larger picture and understood that the goal was to win the contest, not each race.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Hmm…but then we’ll counter with Zito, ruining their strategy entirely!
Intentionally setting yourself up to have to win 4 of 6 seems like a really bad idea to me.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Oct 13, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
As a good strategist, Sun Bin Bip Roberts saw the larger picture and understood that the goal was to win the contest, not each race.
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 13, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
extrabaggs
Bochy says Sanchez in Game 2, Cain in game 3
Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens!
Better than you! Mejor que tú! Beter dan jij! 良い場合も! Mehor than abo!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Oct 13, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
Baggs
Plenty of reasons why this makes sense:
– Sanchez, not Cain will have to deal with Citizen’s Bank Ballpark, which is kind of a bandbox. The Phillies hit 94 homers at home this year, compared to 72 on the road…and Cain is slightly more of a flyball pitcher than Sanchez.
— Sanchez has been flat out better the last few weeks. He was 4-1 with a 1.01 ERA in Sept/Oct, compared to Cain’s 3-1, 3.29. Sanchez also struck out 11 and gave up just two hits over 7 1/3 in a 3-2 Game 3 win in Atlanta (although Cain was very good in Game 2, as well).
— Bochy’s also mentioned that he wanted to "break up the righties."
— Sanchez won in Philly in August, allowing one earned and two hits over eight innings.
They could be Giants...but not really.
I like it.
Proud Adoptive Parent of Jesus Guzman, RHP. 2010 Line: 0 H, 2 BB, 0.00 ERA. CALL HIM UP!
Bochy: What’s this fancy stat here?
IT Guy: That’s how often they get on base. I do not know why you keep asking me, I am here to fix your server.
3RD STARTER
AT BEST!
The Magic is inside all of us.
Proud father of the man taking your hard-earned money.
LinceCain BumChez
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Linchez Cainbum
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
think we are gonna run more on Ruiz?
that might be a part of our game that we need to step up in order to move into scoring position
Only Sanchez and Torres have meaningfully acceptable success rates – and then only barely. Running more is likely to simply give away more outs.
Utter frustration and futility.
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Oct 13, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not afraid of RoRoCo.
If it ain’t baroque, don’t fix it.
Ryan Rohlinger lives in my basement. I let him out to play baseball.
They will eat right out of your hand
Using great big words that they don’t understand
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Match-ups matter
Did the Giants have trouble with Lowe, Hanson and Hudson? Yeah, but they historically have trouble with those guys. Halladay has an ERA over 7.50 against the Giants in three starts. Hamels ERA is almost 5.00 against the Giants and Oswalt’s 3.61 is almost half a run higher than his career average. Historically, the match-ups favor the Giants, very favorably.
And while I think those guys will pitch better than that, I believe all these people who are predicting the Giants won’t score or our four aces will have to throw shutouts to win are failing to acknowledge the truth, which is if our pitching does what it has been doing and has done historically against the Phils (Lincecum career 3.17 against Philly, Sanchez 2.86 and Cain only 4 earned in last 13 innings), it will be the Phillies, not the Giants who will be in trouble.
Grant brought his A-game for this post
Phunny stuff.
Buster Posey ain't havin it... He aint.
by Caine Black Knife on Oct 14, 2010 1:07 AM PDT reply actions
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