5 Steps to a Giant-esque World Series
by Sounds of Adam on Jan 6, 2010 6:03 PM PST
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If asked how close the Giants were to a World Series in spring training 2009, the answer would have been a snort followed by eyes turned upward, an almost rhetorical question. Entering spring training 2010, however, a different response altogether is demanded - the San Francisco Giants are once again to be taken seriously as a dark-horse contender for a post season appearance.
The rotation is acknowledged as being one of, if the not the, best in the game, fronted by the two-headed beast that is Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain, whose dominance is just as vicious (though clearly not as decorated) as the historic Johnson-Schilling duo. Minus a player-not-to-be-named, the bullpen is legit, with the...er...animated Brian Wilson showing all the fearlessness and nasty stuff requisite of a big-league closer. And while the anemic offence scoffed at most of last year is still largely intact at the moment, Panda and Co. proved there is more than meets the eye. With the addition of Mark DeRosa at a fantastic bargain and a full season of Freddy Sanchez, even now things are looking up.
Many changes can and eventually NEED to be made to improve the Giants, but I see a few within reach now that can make the difference between a .500 record, and a championship 2010 season. Here's a list of five, not in any order of importance. Please feel free to add as you see accordingly.
1. DeRosa, Juan Uribe IN - Renteria OUT: Let's face it, the only reason this is even an issue is because Renteria is making $9 million this season. I'd say that the front office saw something in Renteria that nobody else did, but this kind of contract is all too typical for this franchise.You know who also signed a 2 year, $18 million contract last season? Adam Dunn. Enough said. Now Bochy must pencil his dead weight into the lineup everyday, apparently creating a lock of Uribe at 3rd, and presumably DeRosa primarily in left. The Giants should be looking to shed him at all costs, even if it's near the full price of his salary; being committed to the greenback is not going to get them into the post-season. Uribe was very adequate at short, and his far better bat has probably already made this decision for many.
2. Trade Jonathan Sanchez: I know, his stuff is electrifying, he misses bats with the best of them, and he is still young. But what he brings to the rotation is not worth what he can bring offensively in trade. DeRosa can be counted on for a reasonable glove, and realistically offensively, the numbers lost with the departure of Bengie Molina. So while the gain was admirable, it silently just filled a new hole. Those excited by the promise Buster Posey brings are premature in their expectations, leaving essentially the same production the Giants entered with in 2009. Jonathan Sanchez may be a good no.2 someday, but his tenure in San Francisco should come to an end this off-season. Both the Nationals and the Rangers are pitching deprived and have a plethora of young, talented outfield and corner guys, and Sanchez should seem very appealing to both teams. His filthy fastball slider combo could net an Elijah Dukes or a Chris Davis - these are the kind of guys Sabean can and should be targeting in this stage of building. The Bowkers just won't do anymore.
3. Randy Johnson Redux: Bringing in an aging star with some gas left in the tank proved a successful gamble. While Johnson contributed mildly in the rotation, and subsequently in the bullpen, he got outs, invigorated the crowd, and gave the Giants an air of dignity that comes with future hall-of-famers. Enter in Pedro Martinez and John Smoltz. Both these guys will come at manageable prices, and shouldbe able to contribute the same as Johnson. With the 1, 2, and 3 spots a lock, placing one of these guys in the 4 lets me relax and say let Bumgardner win the no.5 slot. Their caliber of experience almost pays for itself. And even though we wont see any records broken, giving them a world series appearance in what is likely to be both their last seasons is right in line with San Francisco's love of it's baseball's heritage.
4. Tim Lincecum Contract Campaign Blitz - Ok, so he says he wants to test free agency when it happens, while also saying that he would be happy to stay in San Francisco. Fair enough kid. Message: I'll be your guy, but you better pony up. Should the Cy Young's keep piling up, Timmy is going to get what Timmy wants, and the Giants need to prepare for this moment NOW. He is not called the "The Franchise" just because it sounds expensive, he really wears those digs. While Matt Cain can be just as dominating, there is no denying the kind of energy Lincecum brings to mound. There should be much documented fan love of his presence here in San Francisco, frequent references to their willingness to keep him here after arbitration, and a lot of handshakes throughout the season. Sabean, Bochy and all of us need to keep letting him know just how important he is to not only the future of Giants baseball, but to the hope for the team even now. With Lincecum on the mound in any "Game 1", the other team steps up to the plate with trepidation. It would be a real tragedy to let this one get away.
And finally, drum-roll please............
5. Posey is not ready: He looked way over-matched in his brief call-up, and that was not a coincidence. To expect this kid to carry a pitching staff throughout a whole season at this point is folly. A Bengie Molina re-signing did not make sense, and I'll be the first to admit that, but there are a couple trusty and rusty veteran options that are atrocious with the bat (Yorvit Torrealba, Mike Redmond) but can catch game just fine with Eli Whiteside in platoon while Posey gets a little more time in the minors before working his way up after the all-star break.
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1. RJ retired.
2. Trading Sanchez would just leave a BIG whole in our rotation.
3. You’re judging Posey on 17 PA after a long season when he was worn down and tired.
FREE BUSTER
by TimLincecumIsGod on Jan 6, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions
I don't know where to start
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 6:21 PM PST reply actions
April.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
February!
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I thought pitchers and catchers report late February (like Feb 20th?)
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
She’s funny people
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Who is she?
I think I’ve seen her on Comedy Central, but what’s her name. She sure is purdy, though.
And
Posey is not ready: He looked way over-matched in his brief call-up, and that was not a coincidence.
17 AT-BATS!!!!!1
Man Sample size?
I watched the young Marlins in 2003 start out poorly, with many not ready players, by mid-May they were playing great, most adjusting to the majors in about 6 weeks. We just do not let our young talent develop on the Major league level. Remember Shawon Dunston blocking Rich Aurillia until he was about 27 because no one thought Aurillia was a real prospect. Then he went on to hit over 20 dingers 2 straight years followed by a year when he put up phenomenal numbers. Certainly numbers Dunston could never duplicate. Why have we sold Bowker and Schierholtz short? And 17 AB’s does not a reasonable sample make. How did Mays do in 1951 in his first few games before he finally homered off of Spahn? Small sample size conclusions, at best invalid!
I'd throw Kevin "Who" Frandsen into that group of young players you mentioned
IMO Frandsen is the best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I find it funny how you want to trade a guy who “misses a lot of bats” for a guy who had a 38.4 K% last year. It’s a horrible idea, but I also find it funny.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions
ironic
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 6, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
‘misses a lot of balls’
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 7, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
like a papal choir
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 7, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
RFLMAO
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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by cybermaldonado on Jan 6, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
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VETERAN GRITTY AND SAVVY!
HE HAD HIS CHANCE!
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
Also,
are you serious about Chris Davis? The kid got sent down cause he wasn’t producing
On the "Brian Sabean should be fired" bandwagon
I want winners...and Eric Berry
I wouldn't mind Davis on the Giants
He was once a good prospect but his struggles mean the Giants should be able to buy low on him. Sanchez would be way too much of a cost
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Bochy wouldn’t play him.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Not unless he has 1 good week in the midst of his mediocrity
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Molina only left the big fat hole of offense that he is
I’m sure that DeRosa/Posey/whomever you’re talking about replacing Molina’s offense will do better than his .313 park-adjusted wOBA
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
If I knew how I’d post the ‘This is a bad post’ image.
The very bad man traded my son...So now I'd like you all to meet my new son, Ryan "Aaron" Garko...Dammit it's just not the same!
Not awful
I don’t disagree with any of it except number 3. The team obviously has a limited budget and those old timers are expensive. Would like to think we could find a better bargain
I wish I had high hopes for Dirty, but his inconsistency frustrates the hell out of me. Wonder how long we wait for him to put together more than two good months in a row before we move him for some offense
In response to the poll though, the Giants need a miracle to make the world series, numbers 1-5 might get them an NL west title
At first I thought I was getting multiple votes...
…then I realized it was just a replay.
/waits three hours
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 8:13 PM PST reply actions
I like your enthusiasm.
^Checks to see if ‘Sounds of Adam’ is an anagram for ‘Brian Sabean’.
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
Not for Brian Sabean, but it is an anagram for “mad anus foods”
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 6, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Wait! It is an anagram for Brian Sabean:
“Sad Snafu Doom”
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
moveyourmoney.info
by cybermaldonado on Jan 6, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Got to love a homer
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Jan 6, 2010 8:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
PS
If Lincecum and Bumgarner are the 1-2 punch, can the duo be called BumCum?
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Jan 6, 2010 8:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Is that anything like ButtPee?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 6, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
1) I think that Renteria will be better next year, but how much better? If he doesn’t do good I think that they will have to start Uribe at short.
2) Trading Jonathon Sanchez for a bat is not the answer. I say we take on chance and start Bowker from the beginning.
3) I starting rotation is already set with Lincecum, Zito, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner. The only thing that signing another starting pitcher is give us less money to pay for another hitter.
4) Agreed, we need to sign Tim to a long term contract before he starts asking for way to much money.
5) Posey is ready and the fact that he only had 17 PA after a long season doesn’t really mean anything. Posey will give us a better chance to win.
i personally think Posey looked over matched
and like he doesn’t belong in the Bigs yet. With that being said, I do feel that he should be given the chance to win the starting job in spring training. I just don’t think they should write his name in stone as the opening day catcher as of yet. I am an A’s fan though and just weighing in. And the sad part is I’m in a fantasy league with soundsofadam.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Jan 6, 2010 8:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Over matched? In what respect? Most of the talking heads say they are concerned with the defense not the offense. I am not too sure you could come to the conclusion he was over matched based off 17 ABs spread over a little less than a month.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
In this respect
He looked ugly at the plate. He looked like he did not belong. He looked like a kid playing above his league. He looked like he needed to polish his approach at AAA. I do not care about stats. It was not the numbers that looked bad, it was his approach. Dominating AA and hitting big league pitchers are quite different. But rush him, good luck with that.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Jan 6, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
What about his approach did you not like? Was he probably a little nervous during his first few ABs? Sure, all that means is that he is like every other rookie that has played the game.
As an A’s fan, how many of his ABs did you see? I know that I didn’t see them all, and there is no way that I could form such a strong opinion either way.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 7, 2010 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
actually, as an A's fan, I saw most of them
All my friend’s are Giants fans. whenever we hang out, usually daily, they would have the Giants game on. I did not see 1 ab where he looked at ease. You ask what I didn’t like about his approach? That is easy, it did not look like he had an approach. He looked like he was up there trying not to strike out. Sure, there are nerves, but that goes for every player, yet some still many thrive despite the crushing power of nerves. Blaming nerves is a very weak argument. But I also said that he should have every chance to win the job out of spring training. I just don’t think he is the plan a,b and c for catcher on opening day. What if I am right and he is not ready and it becomes apparent in spring training, what do you do then? Go with Eli Whiteside? That does not seem like a great plan, it sounds like hope and hope is not the best foundation to build a team, especially at such a crucial position like catcher. What do you do if in Spring Training he is overmatched and he is still the starter, then 3 weeks in he sstill looks the same. Do you keep sending him out there? You want to hand the pitching staff over to a kid who has not proven, albeit in a short time, that he belongs in the bigs. What is so bad about making him earn it? Not all young phenoms are Evan Longoria or Hanley Ramierez.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Jan 7, 2010 10:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
My argument isn’t nerves. My argument is that you are basing this on 17 measly ABs spread across 3+ weeks. I do agree with having a backup plan, though I am hopeful it will not be needed. Personally I am tired of the “Can Buster handle it” question, and will stop here.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 7, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
What else will I base it on? His college numbers? His AA numbers? How many guys have dominated college and the minors but can’t figure it out at the MLB level? He may come in this year and be a legitimate catcher, I just do not see that happening this year and his name should not be written in stone for the opening day line up.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
HE HAD HIS CHANCE
look, i’m pretty sure posey can post an OBP above .300 and not let every ball thrown his way get past him
OK
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 7, 2010 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
if you read about posey and his scouting reports he actually has a very fine tuned approach at the plate. He tore up the minors and you’re looking at the guy after he’s been playing pretty much nonstop since 08. Of course he was tired and match that with nerves. Plus he never got consistent playing time. He was thrown in so randomly of course he’s going to be a bit shaky. I just don’t understand people being so adamant about how he isn’t ready, you swear that every ball in the dirt is just rocketing past him. He needs to just get comfortable at the major league level and he’ll start to produce.
Now batting catcher Buster Posey
my dream for 2010
You give a gritty veteran gamer 17 P.A.s over a month and he will probably long very crappy as well. But then it gets called "being rusty" instead of " 4A".
My point here is 2 fold.
1) Is the front office current sees what it wants to se and disregaurds inconvent facts.
2) Being a bench player is probably the hardest job there is to post good hitting stats in.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
He may be the best option
But if it doesn’t work what is the back up plan? Eli Whiteside? I also think catcher is like a qb in football. I’d rather see him groomed by a veteran, learn how to call games, study film, learn about all the hitters in the league. Kendall would have been a great pick up for the development of Posey. I know he helped Kurt Suzuki a lot.
"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out."-Bill Hicks
by Man Bear Pig on Jan 6, 2010 9:13 PM PST via mobile reply actions
/walks out
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by groug on Jan 6, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 6, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
That’s pretty funny
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 6, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
I love this.
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1 – Probably a good idea.
2 – That leaves a pretty big hole in the rotation and the return you’re suggesting isn’t that great. For something better, maybe. But still a hole in the rotation, so you’d just be moving laterally.
3 – I guess, but apparently we are really up against the budget.
4 – At this point, it’s almost too late to sign Timmy to a sensible extension, here’s hoping our FO does something that is surprisingly good.
5 – Sigh. This is just dumb and wrong. I don’t know when catchers became magical beings, but teams are constantly rewarded for letting young players play. Well, other teams are, we aren’t.
Now, as for playoffs, I think we’re a longshot at this point. Squinting at it, I think we’re probably a .500 team. I think most scenarios that result in this team making the playoffs involve letting the following guys play: Posey, Bowker, Nate, Fred, and hoping they breakout. Going with the more “known” quantities will just lead to guaranteed mediocrity. It’s pretty obvious which way the team will go.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
by marcello on Jan 6, 2010 9:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I love you man!!
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Horrible
Chris Davis would have struck out 250 times last year if they had not sat him down.
Why trade for him when you can just sign Mike Jacobs and keep Sanchez.
Chris Davis: Mike Jacobs:
391 AB’s 434 AB’s
150 K’s 132 K’s
.239 AVG .228 AVG
21 HR 19 HR
Is J. Sanchez really worth Davis over Jacobs???
Davis isn't worth Sanchez
But Davis at least has some upside compared to Jacobs. Jacobs is garbage.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I, like everyone else, think this is silly. Sanchez needs to be a fixture in our rotation, because if he repeats his second half last year (or continues improving) he’s an above-average #4. I don’t think Bumgarner’s ready yet, but Posey certainly is. While I’d like to dump Rent and play Uribe, that’s simply not going to happen, and expecting it to is fairly silly at this point. Another old-guy signing isn’t great either; we signed Johnson for the penis jokes and the 300-victory celebration. Neither Martinez nor Smoltz brings that kind of publicity, and I’m afraid they won’t survive the NL West considering the Dodgers’, Rockies’, and D’Backs’ lineups (even the Padres can be good sometimes). The hitting here is better than in either of those divisions, and there’s a reason Martinez went unsigned and Smoltz got released. Timmy definitely needs to be extended, possibly for 5+ years. Just pay the kid so you know how much you have to work with; he’s going to get big bucks anyway. And while there’s always a chance for any team to make the Series (Royals vs. Nationals isn’t out of the question), they won’t make it this year and probably not next. Look at 2012 if you want a serious postseason competitor.
The saddest part of being a Giants fan theses days: You are all actually arguing whether Uribe or Renteria should be the starting SS. As if one of them is actually good enough to be a starting SS on most MLB teams….
Quit making the theiving Wall Street Fat-Cat Bankers even richer.
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Lars isn't awake yet
so let me say: DECKCHAIRS!
Also, Renteria will have to be utterly and completely a nullity for Brain and/or Bork to bench him. You see, he is paid more money than Uribe and therefore must start come hell or high water. Only by playing every day can the owners see their dollar bills striking out and jogging after ground balls rolling into LF.
Uribe only got in there last year when Rent’s arm was about ready to fall off.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 7, 2010 6:09 AM PST up reply actions
I know this is the conventional wisdom, but I disagree.
I think Sabean/Bochy are being realistic in giving Renteria a chance to prove 2009 was an injury-induced fluke. If it was and Renteria can return to his old form, it’s a win. (I mean shit, anything even approaching the 2007 Renteria would be all kinds of awesome…hell, I’d take an average of his ’07 and ’08 seasons.)
If he’s not able to come around, they can move him out of the starting line-up and let Uribe have another crack at it.
If you give any credence to the theory that Renteria’s 2009 was an outlier and Uribe’s 2009 was an outlier, throw out 2009 and look at their previous 3 or 4 seasons. There’s no question Renteria’s number are consistently better. I’d rather start with the higher-upside guy.
My guess is that they’ll be watching Renteria closely in ST; not at his numbers but at his swing and whether he’s making solid contact. If he looks like he’s back, woo hoo. If he looks like the 2009 edition, he won’t last long as starter, maybe a month into the season.
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Other than maybe
Roberts, have they benched anyone making that much money in recent years?
I’d like to think you’re right, thus explaining re-signing Uribe, but I suppose that will be revealed if and when they do (or don’t) sign someone else and show us why all this flexibility is going to matter.
Did Rent have some injury hampering his fielding (not throwing)? I remember elbows, but I don’t remember hamstrings or ankles or whatnot. I might have lost track as they piled up during the summer. If not, I don’t know how much fielding upside the guy has, which is bad news for the pitchers.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 7, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Bone Spurs in right elbow
He had surgery to remove them in September. I’m guessing it affected his hitting and throwing at the very least.
The best example of a high salary guy being sat was two years ago when Zito was banished to the bullpen. It didn’t last long, but certainly sent a message.
It seemed like they sort of threatened it with Benjie last year during the Posey call-up bru ha ha. Did they do it with Omar two seasons ago, or was he hurt? (Can’t remember.) They certainly should have sat Winn last season, but he seemed like the guy least likely to fall off the face of the earth.
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OK
so that’s no actual benchings of someone highly paid. Zito didn’t even miss a start, right? I don’t recall Omar getting sat (but he wasn’t making this much money either). Like most owners, these folks do not want their dollars on the bench, no matter the cost.
I think I’m a lot more concerned that the “giving Rent a chance to see what happens” becomes “holy crap it’s July and we don’t have an SS, let’s panic and trade for Hillenbrand”. If FSanch had come earlier last year, it’s possible the Giants would have won a few more games, maybe enough to actually have been in that thing.
Anyway, if they do pay him to sit I’d be pretty happy unless he does come back reborn. Unless he had bone chips in his hips and knees too and those have gone away over the winter.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 7, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I believe Zito missed one start, but he never actually appeared out of the bullpen during that time.
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I think he warmed up during a game once
but whichever announcers I was listening to couldn’t decide if he was getting ready to enter or just getting in some throwing. In any case, not much of a serious benching.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 8, 2010 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
nah
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 7, 2010 12:11 AM PST reply actions
I'm sorry
I think your opening pic is great and first idea are sound, but by the end of the fanpost:
BOOO!
I guess it’s late and maybe I’m cranky, but… BOOO!
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Trading Sanchez seems pretty dumb. The drop -off to another starter is too great; the marginal hitters in house (Nate, Fred, Bowker) are more MLB ready than our marginal pitchers (Pucetas)
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
5 steps to ta Giants world series
1- Kidnap Cashman and the Streinbrenner clan
2- Demand a ransom of CC, Tex, Grandy, Swisher, Cairo, Cano
3- Give them Sanchez, Rowand, Nate, Fred, TI, Gillapese, Ford, Pergeuo to make it seem legit
4- Profit
5- Win WS
Another option would be to just rename the Cal League championship series the World Series
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
I somewhat agree
But once you said trade Sanchez I completely hated this thread. Lol say hey nation cal league champs yay!! Again what’s up with everyone “oh trade sanchez we have timmy”. Yes that’s true timmy is younger, but Sanchez when he’s good he’s the best better than anyone in the rotation at their best I mean. Sanchez is really something and I would take the giants pitching over a guy like uggla anyday. Again it would leave a hole in the rotation. It’s not your fault your new and I made stupid threads like these when I was new too.
Nice Writing Style
Yet, I have to throw in some corrections and suggestions.
1 DeRosa was not a fantastic bargain, but at best, a solid signing, and at worst, a slight overpay
2 You should probably recheck Adam Dunn’s performance the last two years; he’s honestly not much better than Fred Lewis at this stage in his career
3 There were no numbers lost with Molina, who was a detriment as a hitter overall last year
There were other issues, but these were the ones that stood out to me.
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