My (Mock) Hall-of-Fame Ballot
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 5, 2010 11:00 PM PST
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PrintThe SB Nation baseball writers got together and submitted picks for a mock Hall of Fame ballot because we’re so damned wise and statistically savvy, what with us on the Inter-net and all. At least, that was the goal when we decided to pick our own MVPs, and then we realized that in our little Algonquin Roundtable were sleeper cells who did things like vote for Todd Helton and Juan Pierre. So now we do this sort of thing because it’s fun. Leave your wise and statistically savvy at the coat check, apparently.
What my Hall of Fame ballot would look like if I had a vote:
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
You can make the argument that Blyleven was a superior pitcher to Nolan Ryan. It’s crazy that a pitcher who won 287 games, who finished in the top-ten in his league’s ERA ten times, and who is 5th on the all-time strikeout list is being overlooked by a bunch of goalpost-moving weenies. "Nope, nope, nope. Blyleven didn’t lead his franchise in complete game wins in leap years. A Hall-of-Famer does that sort of thing." Every argument you hear against Blyleven can be translated thusly: "He didn’t pitch in New York for a large chunk of his career. Sorry. He’s no Catfish Hunter."
Barry Larkin and Alan Trammell were two of the best offensive shortstops of their respective eras, and they just happened to play before the Nomar/Jeter/A-Rod, so they don’t get the respect they deserve. Larkin was a tough call because he was hurt so danged much, but he was clearly the best shortstop in the NL for almost a decade. Here’s a list of Hall-of-Fame shortstops; they would both fit in wih that group quite well.
Tim Raines is better than you remember. Yes, you. Look it up. Even if you’re already on the Raines-in-the-Hall committee, it’s worth it to revisit his career stats. For gits and shiggles, compare them to Lou Brock’s. I don’t know who the soccer-loving communists are who are keeping Raines out, but they should probably lose their jobs and/or homes in a McCarthyesque purge. It’s only fair.
It used to be that there were two kinds of voters: people who thought that McGwire should get in despite his probable drug use, and those who thought that steroids eliminated him from consideration. It’s a debate for another time, but at least I can appreciate the argument. The new rage, though, are nutbars who are trying to convince themselves that McGwire, steroids aside, wasn’t a Hall-of-Famer in the first place. That’s something I just can’t understand on any level.
Finally, baseball’s rules allow for a "designated hitter" in the American League. Edgar Martinez was the best who ever played the game. Now, I don’t like the DH, but it’s there, and Martinez was one of the best hitters in his league every single freaking year. Keeping him out just because he’s a DH would be like the NFL keeping kickers out of the Hall of Fame because they’re so wee and non-tackly. And people who are keeping him out for reasons other than being a DH are just weirdos.
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Edgar Martinez was a DH
Not a baseball player.
Only baseball players should be in the hall.
Hopin' to adopt Mark DeRosa.
This will be beyond blasphemy if Edgar Martinez goes to the HOF and not The Thrill.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 6, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Frank Thomas was a great DH, but he was no Barry Bonds.
…
aw, hell.
I had that dream again?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 1:59 AM PST up reply actions
This argument will go away when the NL finally adopts the DH.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I am starting to get tired of watching pitchers hit and Bochy double switching every five seconds.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
hell no
DH would give aurillia a job for another 5 years from sabean.
Dude, this team has enough trouble finding 8 hitters. Let’s not add another spot to fill
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 6, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
This is absolutely silly. The DH has been around for, like, 40 years. I don’t particularly like it, but saying that players who play DH aren’t baseball players is ridiculous.
Did all of the statistics Edgar put up in his career just not count?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It may seem ridiculous to you
But it is true. When you waddle up to the plate 4 times a game to swing the bat, you are not a baseball player. You are Designated Fat Guy.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t see the point of this debate. Calculations like WAR severely penalize players for not contributing defensively. Why don’t we just go by the numbers instead of these philosophical exercises?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
From Joe Posnanski:
I’ll just give you one chart: Here is the complete list of non-Hall of Famers who played in 2,000 games and hit .310 or better and had an on-base percentage better than .400.
1. Edgar Martinez.
Yep. That’s it. Every other player who did it — Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Hornsby, Cobb, Foxx, Musial, Speaker, Heilmann, Collins, Waner, Gehringer, Boggs — they’re all in the Hall of Fame. They’re all slam dunk Hall of Famers. Martinez wasn’t a good hitter, and he wasn’t a great hitter. He was a legendary hitter. To me, that trumps the DH role.
BUT DH IS FOR HRS!!!!!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
If ever a DH should go in it should be Edgar.
Leaving asides the DH is part of an evil Dodgers plot to debase, demean, and destroy the game and its fans I will get more religion on his cause when I see the truly elite relievers that played before Edgar are in the Hall.
/ looks at Lee Smith
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
fixed
If ever a DH should go in it should be Edgar the Big Hurt.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
No, but it was pretty close to even – a little over 1000 as a DH and about 970 as a 1B
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I found 1300 as DH
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/thomafr04-field.shtml
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
whoops
I had checked it last night and I thought i was like 1080 or something. Serves me right for not double checking.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Its cool. I thought I was mistakin, as it says G but not GS for DH, so that could include double switches or subs.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
No but
Closer than I thought
DH 1311
1B 971
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Ah, I see. This demonstrates how very little AL baseball I watched after about 2000 or so. It’s kind of embarrassing, but I used to watch White Sox games all the time in the 90s, and Hawk and Wimpy always used to make a big deal about how much Thomas hated to DH. I guess he got over it.
That was a good team. Robin Ventura, Jack McDowell, Ozzie Guillen, Lance Johnson… Joey Cora? (Pirates?), Tim Raines, Alex Fernandez.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
His best years were as a DH but Martinez did come up as a 3rd baseman (played 563 games there).
"meh"
and his bat was so good that if he had been on an NL team he wouldve remained there. You can’t basically punish a guy just because he was on an AL team.
Thing A
As I recall, injuries prevented him from playing defense on anything like a regular basis, so no, I don’t think he would have.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Edgar was primarily a 3rd baseman from 1987-94
…That’s nearly half his career.
And, from what I can see statistically, and from what I can remember from watching him play third base (I lived in Seattle in 1991 and 1994), he was actually a very good third baseman. Had there been no DH, Edgar certainly would’ve remained at third base a few more years before finishing his career at first. He wasn’t just some fat guy waddling to the plate four times a game. He was a truly great hitter. I mean, it was a real pleasure to watch the guy hit.
I despise the DH, but I don’t see why sportswriters who feel the same way should punish one of the game’s great hitters simply because his team utilized him according to the rules of the (American League) game.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
He played 563 games at 3B and 1412 games at DH. That’s not half his career.
As I said above, my recollection is that he had to move to DH due to injuries.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
8/18 = .444.
That’s close to half the years he was in MLB.
I’m measuring his career in terms of time spent, not number of games. For those eight years, Edgar Martinez was identified as a third baseman.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
Okay.
You neglect to mention that he was only a regular in the Major Leagues 3 of those 8 seasons.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
1987: 13 games, 46 PA
1988: 14 games, 38 PA
1989: 65 games, 196 PA
1993: 42 games, 165 PA
1994: 89 games, 387 PA
And in 93-94, he played about a third of his games as a DH.
As I’ve said, I’m not against Martinez being in the HOF. But saying he was a third baseman half his career is straight-up bullshit.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
LOL some analyst
Maybe Magrane? I forget who, but one of those guys not named Harold Reynolds compared him to Ron Blomberg. It’s such a fantastic comparison, and really, really changed my mind.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:51 AM PST up reply actions
I propose, in this case, that all American League pitchers be left out of the Hall of Fame, because they only did one thing too.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
(I know this is a silly thing to say, too)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t believe they are baseball players either.
Carbon based pitching machines.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
The tricky part of scouting AL pitching is to know which ones are made from coal and which ones are made from carbon fiber or diamonds.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
The second one… zillyphone.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
I think we should smoosh them all with enough pressure to turn them into some type of fossil fuel.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Build a bridge out of them!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Can you resole your shoes with them,
or make flower pots out of old ones?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I suppose it's qualitative/quantitative.
Hey, Ron Bryant! 24 winz!
Absolutely Blyleven.
The voting ought to be given to those players who were directly affected by the abilities of the nominees, not those who sit in time – and – space removed judgment.
And Ray Guy wants a word with you.
(Don’t know why he’s lacing up a kicking shoe, dude hasn’t punted in decades. You ask him)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 5, 2010 11:09 PM PST reply actions
at first I didn't know what you were talking about...
but I wiki’d around a bit and noticed Ray Guy not on the HoF list. I cannot fathom. Punter is one of the most important positions on a squad. And that dude was the Babe Ruth of punting, a pretty good kick-off guy, and I remember him not embarrassing himself at QB (or on the odd fake punt).
And LOL at this tidbit I forgot:
he once punted the ball with so much hangtime that the opponents pulled the ball and had it tested for helium.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
MOCK OF THE WALK!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Edgar Martinez was teh good at the batz...
but putting a DH in the Hall of Fame validates the existence of the American League and their silly rules. No on Edgar.
now skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
Good list
I still don’t see McGwire in The Hall(steroids aside, as you say). Not good enough, long enough, in my estimation. But I see that I am in the minority.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
He did have a fairly short career, but that peak is ridiculous. Plus, 162 career OPS+, 583 career HR
Top 5 OPS+ 216, 200, 196, 177, 176 plus a few more partial years with even higher numbers
Long enough is a fair point, but to say he wasn’t good enough is a bit of an exaggeration. If that’s not good enough, what is?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
That's a better peak, for example
than two guys who no one questions being in the HoF (Willie McCovey and Harmon Killebrew). Now, they each have about 2000 PA on him so, like I said, the length of career is a fair argument, but when you were as good as McGwire was in his best years, it’s hard to see keeping him out (ignoring steroids.)
I mean, this isn’t a Roger Maris kind of career we’re talking about.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You've forced me
…to look at his stats again. I’ll concede that his 1995-2000 stat line was very good (oddly, he was better after age 30 than before). 1998 was excellent, and a couple more seasons like that would have helped cement his candidacy, in my mind.
But think of Barry Bonds in comparison. When Bonds started getting walked all the time, (whether “intentional” or not) his batting average went UP. McGwire’s floated as low as the .270’s. Even in ’98, the year he had 162 walks, he only hit .299. Yes, I understand you statsfolk disdain batting average as a measurement of skill, but a really good hitter should improve his BA substantially when given all those walks (his hits should have improved his BA, with a lower base of at-bats).
Don’t misunderstand – he’d help our team right now. But, to me, he just misses the HOF. I’d much rather elect Dale Murphy or Will Clark.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
Comparing a player to Barry Bonds is unfair.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
because he won't be put in?
ASTERISKS FOR THE CHILREDNS
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
in general
saying mark mcgwire isn’t as good as barry is unfair, becuase who was almost as good as barry?
A direct overall comparison...
…is not what I was trying to do. Just, as one example we all should remember, think of Barry: when they’re walking you all the time, those 150 hits you get look REAL good in 350 official ABs, as opposed to the 500+ you’d normally accrue. The BA should go way up.
That’s all.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
Aren't percentages percentages, or is my concept of this totally screwed up?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
to reply to both of you...
…as a season wears on, batting averages tend to drift downward. I don’t know if you remember any of the seasons where George Brett or Tony Gwynn flirted with hitting .400 – but it seems the longer the season goes on the less likely they are to keep their batting averages high.
Yes, percentages are still percentages. My observation would be that, in those extra “counted” 150 at-bats, even a great hitter like Brett or Gwynn is more likely to hit .275 than .400 in those at-bats.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
Oh, I see what you mean. But it’s only half true – AVG doesn’t drift downwards, it drifts towards average (like everything). That’s why three weeks into the season you have a few guys hitting .420, but also a few hitting .110. By the end the year, the very best will be hitting .350, and the very worst will be hitting .230. Both ends tend to regress towards the mean.
So while a player is more likely to hit .400 in 350 AB’s than in a full season, he’s also more likely to hit .220 in those AB’s than in a full season. It works both ways.
I was promised lasagna.
Clearly, I’m thinking only of the “good” hitters. But your point is well taken.
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
McGwire has 40 points of OPS+ and 200 homers on Dale Murphy. Clark is closer on OPS+ but even further on DINGERZ.EXE.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
To be fair, I have no memories of Murphy’s defense, so maybe he makes up some ground there.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Note he was #1 on the Purple Row ballot...
think of the children and vote for Dale!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:07 AM PST up reply actions
LOL indignant at ROIDZ commenters
I bet their stadium inflated their players’ home run totals more than steroids ever would.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
52% of SBN writers love PEDS
Is how I can’t help but read that ballot. Is that really an example they want to set?
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SBN BLOGGERS ARE ROLE MODELS TO OUR NATIONS CHILDRENS!!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
BAN WALRUSMAN!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
I recall Murphy playing a sweet CF, which I found amazing since he was a big dude (6’5" 215 lbs). I just looked it up and didn’t realize he won five Gold Gloves.
The only other guy I can think of that was that big and moved as well as Murphy was Winfield, who played RF.
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IIRC
he stayed there a long time, too, not in the Andruw Jones fashion but as a good CF.
He came up as a catcher, too, FWIW.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
He is a guy I have hard time not being wishy washy on. He was really good and even when the knees were shot he was still reasonable, though painful to watch, on both sides of the ball. I am small hall guy but I really would not pitch a fit if he got in.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Jose belongs in more than McGwire
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, wha!?
McGwire was better in pretty much every category. Canseco doesn’t really get points for playing outfield instead of 1B because he was awful defensively. You don’t have the steroids argument when comparing the two. So how does that work?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
B/C he outed everyone.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 8:06 AM PST up reply actions
Enh, it’s the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Attention Whores.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sarchasm.
On McGwire, I can be convinced either way, but I’m leaning towards yes.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
how do you factor in
the atrocious batting averages in 89-92, sort of Dave Kingman with fewer SO? Those seem like pretty odd lines for a hall of famer, but maybe there are other 4 or 5 year stretches of bad for other HoFers in the middle of their careers that I don’t know about. (I thought of Eckersley, but when I looked it seems he only had a couple of mediocre years and one bad one as a starter… which isn’t necessarily why he was inducted anyway. Same for Koufax, although he seems to break quite a few “rules”. )
And I’m definitely not a big “OMG STEROIDZ SAVE THE CHILDREN” guy, but it seems a little weird to say “look at the great big performance spike at age 30” without considering it. That seems different than whatever can be said about Barry- HoF since he was a skinny CF.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
McGwire's OPS+ those four seasons
129, 143, 103, 176.
I’m guessing you didn’t mean to include 1992, since he had a great year that year. But even for the three preceeding years, he was pretty good in two.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
yeah sloppy with the years
but I remember the A’s thinking he was Jeff Newman at the time and a lot of “What’s Wrong With McGwire” stuff. They certainly cared about the low batting average. Kingman had similar OPS+ in his career, so there must be something separating them (and not that McGwire once won a GG).
I suppose the other argument there is that the team was winning an awful lot when he had these “bad” years.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
This
And I’m definitely not a big "OMG STEROIDZ SAVE THE CHILDREN" guy, but it seems a little weird to say "look at the great big performance spike at age 30" without considering it. That seems different than whatever can be said about Barry- HoF since he was a skinny CF.
I think Bill James makes a good argument that the first juicer to get in is going to effectively open the door for all of ‘em, and I’d rather that guy be a little more on the indisputably great side than three-true-outcomes-McGwire.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
Like Bonds.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I’d say that his batting average went up substantially from when he was averaging .250 for the first 9 years of his career.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
(After which his BA never went below .274 for any single season, until his swan song 2001)
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
In fact, from 1986 to 1994, his BA was .250. From 1995 to 2001, his BA was .278.
From 1986 to 1994 (right before he started getting 120+ walks a year), Bonds’ BA was .285. From 1995 to 2007, it was .309.
I know it’s not linear, but that’s 28 extra points of BA to McGwire once he started getting lots of walks and 24 extra points to Bonds once he started getting lots of walks.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Players refine and streamline their approach as they get older. I remember watching McGwire in ‘96 or ’97 or so, while he was still with the A’s but after those lost injury seasons, and thinking that he had really refined himself into a three-true-outcomes hitter. You could tell he had no interest in singles at all; it was going to be a home run or nothing.
Old-school baseball people hate this approach (and as a fan, I kind of hate it too), but it’s sabermetrically sound. It takes several singles to make up for one lost home run, particularly when you consider that the home runs scare pitchers into nibbling and thus generate more walks.
Murphy was someone I just read a lot of discussion on – he had a good peak, though nowhere near as good as McGwire (never had a year as good as the 5th best one I mentioned above) and then he had a lot of truly mediocre years.
Does it really matter what McGwire’s BA was if he was getting his OPS+ in the 170-200 range and it was both OBP and SLG heavy?
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Dale Murphy: .265 / .346 / .469, 121 OPS+, 398 HR, 9040 PA
Player X: .298 / .352 / .502, 128 OPS+, 382 HR, 9058 PA
Both were outfielders playing in the same era, although Murphy was a CF and Player X was a corner OF and an inferior defender. Player X is someone who, as I recall, everyone on MCC agreed should not be in the HOF.
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Player X was a menace to the game. I mush prefer the style of his younger brother, Speed Player.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
No you don’t. You just want the cool car.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Who is player X?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
lol jim rice
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
figured.
After I posted that I was like, DUHHH!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
My new car is white and has buttons on the sterring wheel.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
How is sterring wheel formed?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Does it come with a Chim-Chim?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
The trunk is HUGE! I could fit around 5 Chim-Chims in that space.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
We might have an issue, as I recently became the owner of a yellow car.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Howie wears a red handkerchief around his neck.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
LOLMUSH
I need to proofread more. My typos lately have been out of control.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, I think there were one or two vociferous supporters of Player X. But no was definitely the strongly-stated majority opinion.
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I don’t support Rice, but I could be convinced on Murphy because he does have other things going for him (defense, etc.)
And Murphy’s peak is much more impressive. I could be convinced that he was the best overall player in the NL for a period of time – not so with Rice.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I'd vote for Murphy.
I wonder if he’d have a better case had he retired closer to his very productive part of his career.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
He probably would have come closer too if he didn’t become eligible right in the middle of the offensive explosion.
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I dunno, then you’d have the short career length problem.
If he retires the year after putting up 157 and 106 OPS+ two years in a row, he’d have a 129 career OPS+ in about 7000 PA. For a CF, that’s impressive, but the OPS+ doesn’t really make up for the short-ish career like it would for, say, McGwire I think.
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I like to have Murphy
as the highest peak player not in the HOF. That way, if someone has a higher peak than Murphy, then he’s almost certainly in.
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I just checked the MVP vLOLting for 87
1. Andre Dawson .287/.328/.568 49 HR 137 RIBEYEZZZ
11. Dale Murphy .295/.417/.580 44 HR 105 RIBEYEZZZ
There is no way on earth these results would be the same today.
Murphy should have one 3 MVP’s
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Actually just checked 84.
You could easily argue he should have won that one too. He and Schmidt were tied amongst the contenders with 919 OPS. Ryne Sandberg and his voters cheated the game by giving him an MVP that year.
Looking at the stats of the balloted, Sandbergs selection looks entirely randLOLm.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Sandberg played on a playoff team, played sensational defense, and it’s not like there’s a huge difference between 919 OPS and 887. And yes, I’m sure the voters were impressed by the 200 hits.
And he did play 2B at a gold glove level. Don’t ignore position and defense!
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I mean, you mentioned that, that was more of a response to Cody_Ransom
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You're right. I overlooked defense there.
But still…
32 points of OPS is significant, and both were GG, one a CF, the other a 2B. I take the CF with the 32 points in OPS. Granted the gap may not be great but it’s a pretty easy choice when you look at all the numbers.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Sandberg: 140 OPS+, GG 2B, 32 SB (vs 7 CS)
Murphy: 149 OPS+, GG CF, 19 SB (vs 7 CS)
I dunno, it’s close, but I think you could go either way. I don’t think one is obviously the slam dunk right choice over the other.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
VROOOOOOM
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
32 OPS points >>>> 13 SB.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Nope
Not in this case. Sandberg had a much higher average, even though their OBP’s were about the same (and a hit is more valuable than a walk), so if you go by wOBA, they’re practically the same (.397 for Sandberg vs. .398 for Murphy). So Sandberg’s superior baserunning probably did make him the (slightly) better offensive player.
Well if you put it that way,
you out-brained me and outstatted me.
Uncle.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Still need to grasp wOBA.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Except one guy’s team finished 96-65 and the other guy’s finished 80-82. That makes a very big difference in MVP. It is not, after all, “Best player,” but “most valuable.” Murphy may have been good, but no matter how good he was the Braves still had a losing record, so how valuable was he? The MVP almost always goes to the best player on a playoff contender. If your team stinks, you will not win it (normally).
This is such BS
even though I recognize it is standard procedure for BBWAA.
This is getting silly.
ATL offense WITH Murphy ranked 8th out of 12 in the NL. The Cubs led the NL in offense.
So first Murphy makes up a much greater portion of his teams offensive production than Sandberg, and second, it’s safe to assume that if lineups are swapped, Sandberg’s stats suffer with an ATL lineup and Murphy’s improve with CHC lineup.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I'm not saying it's necessarily right
But the way the award has been defined over the years is that it goes to a player on a contender.
It is not, after all, "Best player," but "most valuable."
This argument has never made sense. By definition, the best player is the one who is more valuable than anyone else.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
And a player who creates a greater percentage
of his teams offense is also of greater value.
BBWAA-logic.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I think he trying to say it should go to the best on field performace, not the most talented.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
But the guy who plays the best over the year is the most valuable guy. That’s how we evaluate who played the best.
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I’m just trying to rationalize his thoughts.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
As I said, I’m not arguing that this is necessarily right, only that this is how it has been done.
But the argument is similar to the one Johnny Disaster makes below. A guy who plays outstanding baseball for a terrible team is making his terrible team better. So he has value in that sense, and this is what you’re referring to. But he didn’t get them anywhere they weren’t already (last place). So in this way, he did not add value, whereas that same performance on a near-playoff team could push them over the top, thus adding tremendous value. “Without him, they wouldn’t have made the playoffs” carries a lot more weight than “Without him, they’d have lost 100 games instead of 95.”
This is sooooo effed up.
A guy who plays outstanding baseball for a terrible team is making his terrible team better. So he has value in that sense, and this is what you’re referring to. But he didn’t get them anywhere they weren’t already (last place). So in this way, he did not add value, whereas that same performance on a near-playoff team could push them over the top, thus adding tremendous value.
So MVP is a team award then?
What if the guy has a craptastic pitching staff and his team is last place dispite him creating a massive piece of his teams offense, which ranks in the top 5 in his league. Isn’t that essentially Barry Bonds in 1995-1996?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
So MVP is a team award then?
Yes. If your team sucks, you are exceedingly unlikely to win the MVP. I think something like four guys on losing teams have ever won the MVP.
You may not like it, but that is the way it is. Such is the case, by the way, in every US sport, not just baseball.
I assume you clearly understand
the stupidity in that logic.
I understand it is the interpretation of MVP, but it is a flawed interpretation.
/Stated emphatically with one flap down in honor of Jeffery Leonards, 1987 NLCS MVP trophy.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Actually I’m sympathetic to both sides of the argument. MVP is an individual award in a team game. I understand those who think the best player should get it, regardless of his team’s performance, but I also understand the impetus to give it to the guy who did the most to put his team in the playoffs. Frankly I lean more to the traditional view, as being the best player in the league for a last place team is kind of an empty accomplishment.
I remember when Barry Sanders tied (?) for the NFL MVP with Brett Favre. Barry had over 2000 yards that season and the Lions squeaked into the playoffs. I firmly believed that Sanders deserved the award because there was no way Detroit would have made the playoffs without his contribution. Also, he was in my opinion obviously the best player in the league. I guess, if the Lions had been 8-8, I might still have thought Barry deserved the MVP. But if they’d been 4-12? No, probably not.
Then why not just give it to the best player on the WS winner? That’s the only true “value” there is, if you define value like that.
I was promised lasagna.
Because it’s not that simple. There’s a judgment to be made about how much value a player has produced for his team, and helping your team get to the playoffs is one of the things to be considered (as is pure production).
There is not necessarily one right answer because the word ‘value’ has a subjective meaning that is different for different people… it’s not mathematic in its precision.
I kind of like that it’s somewhat irrational, actually. It injects a measure of team dependence into individual achievement.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Value does not have a subjective meaning in the realm of which player was most important to win a game.
Now, there may not be precise enough mathematics to put this value up for all players, but it does exist.
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But “valuable” in the context of the MVP does not mean WAR. It’s a fuzzy concept that basically focuses on the question “How much did player X contribute to his team’s making the playoffs?”
Value does not have a subjective meaning in the realm of which player was most important to win a game.
Also, this statement is clearly incorrect. Yes, baseball can be quantified in terms like WAR, VORP, whatever, but not everyone does that. In fact, most people do not. Is the manager wrong when he says that Gamer Y was hugely valuable to the team because of all his grit and moxie (even though he had a negative WAR). Maybe. But you’re not using the same definition of value as he is. And who knows, maybe Gamer Y really was so inspirational that the other guys on the squad played better than they otherwise would have without his presence.
OK, I doubt it too. But it’s not falsifiable.
It’s not a black and white argument, so this reductio ad absurdum seems like an attempt to avoid the issue.
There is almost never a single player in either league who is just far and away better than everyone else. So you get into the fuzzy area of “where would his team be without him?” as a kind of tiebreaker.
I would be unhappy if a middling player on the Yankees won the MVP just because they happened to win 103 games. But let’s say the Twins had been 76-86 instead of 86-76. Would you really think it was such an injustice if Derek Jeter had won the MVP over Joe Mauer?
Yes, I would.
I just don’t see why we should stop at the playoffs. If a player carried his team to the WS, then lost it, he provided zero value (aside from revenue, and that shouldn’t affect MVP votes). It’s, like you said, an empty accomplishment.
I was promised lasagna.
I guess if you think no team that didn’t win the WS has had a successful season, then that would be correct. But most people would define the bar somewhat lower, whether it’s simply contending, making the playoffs, or whatever.
MVP has pretty much always meant “biggest contributor to a successful season,” in every sport. I don’t think it’s such a terrible definition.
MVP has pretty much always meant "biggest contributor to a successful season,"
That’s not true, great players on bad teams have won it, even if it’s rare, so it’s never truly been defined as "biggest contributor to a successful season". Rodriguez on the Rangers is probably the best recent example.
But I still don’t understand – what value is there in contending and not winning?
I was promised lasagna.
The Rodriguez MVP is sort of an exception that proves the rule. If there’s no clear-cut candidates among the good teams, then a bunch of vote-splitting happens. And remember, there are people (like yourself, apparently) who think the MVP should just go to the best overall player. So in years like 2003 they can get their wish.
But the fact of the matter is that hundreds of MVP awards have been given out in US pro sports in my lifetime (for seasons, playoffs, Super Bowl, All-Star games, etc) and a guy on a losing team wins maybe 5% of the time. The player has to be head and shoulders above everyone else, and there needs to be a paucity of candidates on the winning side.
But I still don’t understand – what value is there in contending and not winning?
Excitement? Winning more often than not? Baseball is entertainment; if the fans are demoralized by the All-Star break, it’s not a successful season. Put it this way: Pablo Sandoval in 2009 would have been a much more viable MVP candidate than Barry Bonds in 2006 (in fact was; Panda was 7th, Barry didn’t get any votes). But their stats were similar.
That’s really not what “exception that proves the rule” means.
Excitement?
You didn’t find 2008 Lincecum exciting?
Winning more often than not?
Again, we’re talking about value here. What value is there in winning 90 games if you don’t get anything for it in the end?
Baseball is entertainment; if the fans are demoralized by the All-Star break, it’s not a successful season
That just seems like a random rule. What if they’re demoralized by the AS break, but then have a huge comeback and win the playoffs? And the meaning of “successful” changes from team to team – if the Royals go 81-81 next year, it will be a successful season by their standards, and the crowd would enjoy it. But they’ll still be a mediocre team.
Panda’s 2009 was significantly better than Bonds’ 2006. There are many reasons why he got more votes than Bonds – he had 150 PA’s more, played better defense at a tougher position, voters overrate the importance of AVG, and Bonds has always been underrated by virtually all sports writers. And yes, it was also because the Giants were good in 2009 but not in 2006. But I don’t why it means that it’s the way it should be.
I was promised lasagna.
That’s really not what "exception that proves the rule" means.
Truly this is hair-splitting of a high order. I salute you, sir. And it’s true that I was using the phrase according to its looser, by now more common, meaning. But, in fact, at the time, there was controversy surrounding A-Rod’s selection as MVP. People felt the need to justify the choice. So even in the classical sense of “the exception that proves the rule,” the example holds, because if it had been the normal practice to give the award to the best player, regardless of whether or not he played on a losing team, no one would have felt any need to justify voting for Rodriguez, because he was obviously the best player in the AL that year.
It’s obvious that you think the award should be cut and dried, give it to the best player. Well, it isn’t. But even if it were, “best” in the concept of baseball players’ seasons is not cut and dried; people have different standards for what that means, even in the Sabermetric world. The MVP is not science; there’s no “right” answer.
I’m aware that it’s how people use it now, I just don’t like. People now use it like anything that contradicts their statements actually proves them right, which bugs me because it’s just become an excuse to ignore any counter-examples. I’m not saying that what you were trying to do, but that’s why I pointed it out.
I’m aware that the vest majority of MVP winners came from good teams. One reason is that good teams have more good players. The other is that most writers will only vote for players on good teams. I was arguin gwith your statement that the Award has “always meant ‘biggest contributor to a successful season’”. That’s not true. That may be been how most writers have chosen to interpret it, but that doesn’t mean it has to stay like that.
I still don’t think you explained why contending or making the playoffs makes sense as a cutoff. Teams play to win. If they don’t win, they lose. Maybe they came closer to winning, but they still lost.
I was promised lasagna.
Well, you can define “winning” in a whole bunch of different ways. Each individual game is a contest worth winning. So a team that wins more than it loses in a season can lay claim, in some sense, to a successful season. Or if that’s not enough, winning the division. If you do that you can certainly say you’re a champion; you don’t have to win the World Series. I know a lot of people do have that all-or-nothing view, but I don’t. Would you really call the 2002 season a failure?
But really, I think the best answer is the one I gave before: excitement. Baseball is entertainment; if it’s September and the fans are talking about the team, trying to get tickets, trying to get the barman to change the TV to the game, etc., it’s a successful season. And that’s not just about revenue for ownership. That’s the players, the fans, everyone. We’ve all had the desultory experience of watching the Giants struggle to get their 70th win in late September, and we’ve watched them contend. The latter is cool, even if the team doesn’t grab the brass ring; the former, not so much.
If excitement is your criteria, than teams from Florida can never be considered successful. So the Marlins could go 110-52, and Hanley could hit .400, but he still shouldn’t get an MVP, because nobody in Miami gives a shit. That doesn’t seem right to me.
I was promised lasagna.
Not true!
Look at this.
The Marlins drew more than 65,000 for their World Series games in 2003. And if you say they were all Yankee fans, I would point out that they drew even more in 1997, and they also drew 65k+ against the Cubs in the NLCS.
And a Marlins team that was that good would generate not only local attention, but also considerable national buzz, especially if Hanley really were threatening to hit .400 for the season.
The fans down there usually don’t care, but they can bandwagon with the best of them. Anyway it’s not only excitement among the local fans, but among the players on the team, the coaching staff, media and baseball fans nationally. All that comes with a pennant race.
Their attendance was still extremely low in 2003 – less than half of the NL average.
And, again, was Lincecum in 2008 not exciting? How about Bonds breaking the record in 2007? In 1993 the Marlins lost 110 games and the fans were still so excited to finally have a team that their attendance was well above average. And in 2009 they were pretty serious contenders right until the end, but neither their fans nor the national media seemed particularly interested.
I was promised lasagna.
Meant to address this as well:
"always meant ‘biggest contributor to a successful season’". That’s not true. That may be been how most writers have chosen to interpret it, but that doesn’t mean it has to stay like that.It’s true that it doesn’t have to stay like that, but it’s also true that that is what it’s always meant, because the writers who have interpreted it that way are the ones who made the choice.
Well, no. If it t were what “what it’s always meant”, no player on a bad team would ever win an MVP. It’s true that it’s been a part of the equation, a very big part, but that’s not the same as saying that it’s always meant that.
But even if it’s what it’s always meant – so? Writers used to think a lot of things that they don’t anymore. I don’t see why the fact that most of them think this way should affect my opinion.
I was promised lasagna.
Of course you are allowed to have any opinion you like as to how the award should be decided. I was merely describing how it actually has been decided in the past. I would add that no matter how statistically conscious the sports media become, I will be extremely surprised if they ever start giving the MVP to players on bad teams on a regular basis.
what value is there in contending and not winning?
The belief is that because of the nature of baseball and the small sample of seven games, once you get into the playoffs it’s basically a crapshoot. Any team could win based on hot streaks. So just getting into the playoffs is given great importance.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 7, 2010 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Of course, but in the end, if you didn’t win the playoffs, there wasn’t any “value” in getting there.
I was promised lasagna.
Getting there is a value in and of itself. For instance, as a fan, you get to watch playoff games. As a team, you get revenue and the type of national exposure that only playoff baseball brings.
Not as good as a WS ring naturally, but powerful good all the same.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 7, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I really don’t think revenue should ever be part of the equation.
Of course it’s fun to watch a playoff team. It’s also fun to watch great player, period. I had a lot of fun watching Lincecum last year, even though we were never in contention.
I was promised lasagna.
We were in the illusion of contention…
If the Gs were 10 games out at the end of August, Lincecum would be the only thing to watch and even then, not as exciting as if there’s still even just a chance at the post season.
Also, the proximity to the playoffs made the lack of offense that much more painful.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 8, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
I’m going to attempt this… but I’m just sharing my thoughts and not claiming to be authoritative.
Consider that production is resulting in a playoff berth has more value to a team than production that results in going home for October… because getting to the playoffs is so great of a prize. So a player might be a statistically better player, but still not be considered to have contributed as much value to their team.
Alternatively, a player could drive in more runs and be seen to produce more value (actual runs scored due to that hitter’s at-bats), even though they may not be the better hitter from a statistical standpoint. The fact that RBI are useless for evaluating a player’s individual performance doesn’t negate the fact that those runs were in fact scored – greater opportunity gave that player a chance to create more value than his (perhaps better) counterpart on the crappier team.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
So you could argue,
3 straight MVP’s and 4 overall.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Very easy to argue that from 82-87
he was THE BEST player in the National League.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I could be convinced that he was the best overall player in the NL for a period of time – not so with Rice.
Well duh, Rice played in the AL.
/rimshot
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I always like to think of a rimshot as though it were referring to basketball-themed porn.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
The pressure required for that kind of trajectory would be dangerous!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t Murphy the only good guy on a lot of terrible teams though? Do you think Rice benefited from being in better lineups on average?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the Braves were the doormat of the NL West in those days.
Yes, kids of MCC, the Braves used to be in the NL West. The More You Know!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He had some terrible teams but he also played his home games in a very hitter friendly park. Trips to ATL in the 70’s & 80’s had a lesser but very similar feeling to trips in COL have for 90’s and most of this decade.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
I do remember that, but still, you gotta figure he basically spent his career being pitched around… and Rice played in Boston which ain’t exactly the worst place to hit.
I don’t know if he’s a HOFer, but I’d give him the nod before Rice. Maybe that’s just because I saw way more of him when I was a kid…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I was just stating the “con’s” and letting the fans that don’t remember Swift & Burket, or before, what the trip to Fulton County Stadium use to be like.
Personaly I think Murphy would hit well anywhere. Look at his line at the Astrodome. The Astrodome was a pitching heavy a yard as I ever saw. To me PetCo does not equal it because lighting issues are not present for the visitors in Petco like it was in the Astrodome. And the starting staffs the Astros were marching out those days ( 77 – 86) would be like 4 of Joe Neikro, Ryan, J.R Richards, Mike Scott, Vern Rhule, Ken Forsch, Bob Knepper Jim Desheis and "Buffy" LaCoss. That is not only a pretty good top of the rotation but a darn firm Bottom of the rotation as well. I doubt they had 12 games started by anyone out side of that group during that span. Murphy still posted 12 hrs, 230/311/386 even in those conditions.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Also, they turned on the air conditioning during away teams’ at-bats.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
LOL Hank Aaron
715 cheap HRs
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
He played less than half his career in Atlanta.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
kidding
I’m not into the whole “cheap HR” thing, at least until the rise of the modern bandbox stadium movement.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Still, the cheapest shots are from older (or want to be older) stadiums. Fenway and New New New New New New New New New New Yankee Stadium
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I know
Just pointing it out.
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I'm surprised I'm the first to point this out
a really good hitter should improve his BA substantially when given all those walks (his hits should have improved his BA, with a lower base of at-bats).
The logic/math here is just wrong. IBB’s have no effect on AVG. He gets fewer AB’s, and because of that fewer hits. How can that possibly help him increases his AVG?
And if you want examples of “really good hitter” who didn’t improve their AVG when getting walked – Albert Pujols has been getting more and more IBB every year. Last year he had 44 – McGwire never had more than 28. And yet his AVG hasn’t improved at all during that time. Manny Ramirez started getting walked when he came to Boston. His career high is 28, like McGwire. And yet his AVG hasn’t changed. And these are probably the two best hitters of the past ten years.
I was promised lasagna.
I'm not defending or explaining the point, but I think an argument COULD go thus:
As a practical matter (versus a theoretical or a mathematical matter), if teams are IBB’ing a particular batter a lot, then the expected effect is that he will lose his edge, see fewer hittable pitches, develop a little rust maybe, lose focus as a hitter (as opposed to a batter), and so on. In other words, a freakishly high number of IBB would have real world effects on the batter. My gut says that for most people, those effects would be to make him a poor hitter BA-wise, not better.
Under such conditions, if a batter can increase his focus and even maybe widen his spectrum of which pitches he can drive for hits, that would improve his BA— and would be truly amazing to behold. Barry did that, and was. I think it would be astonishing to see many batters do that.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
I am with you on Big Mac.
That right there probably dooms your stance. It is darn close but just not constant enough long enough for me to fully on board. I wouldn’t blow gasket if he gets in and it would make the forth coming spasms the writers will make when BLB is up very amusing to watch.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
I'm with you, mang.
Not long enough period of greatness to satisfy me.
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by Mayor of 311 on Jan 7, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Keeping him out just because he’s a DH would be like the NFL keeping kickers out of the Hall of Fame because they’re so wee and non-tackly.
Yeah,about that…:
Last kicker inducted was ‘91. 6 kickers listed, only 1 of whom didn’t play another position too.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
Interesting
One kicker in the hall, and it’s Jan Stenerud? Really? Hopefully Morten Andersen will at least make it in pretty soon. And Vinatieri, Gary Anderson, and Jason Elam should probably all get long looks.
Is Andersen
still waiting for his eligibility to run? Otherwise that’s ludicrous.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions
Dude played until like 2004. So yeah
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
nomac
McGwire is a Dave Kingman type without the stuff…
No.
McGwire: .263 / .394 / .588, 583 HR
Dave Kingman: .236 / .302 / .478, 442 HR
They both hit a lot of home runs and struck out a lot, but otherwise they were very, very different hitters.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He’s saying, non-artfully, that McGwire would have Kingman’s line if he hadn’t be on ROIDZ
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
McGwire's numbers
look a lot like Kingman’s during 89-92. For whatever that’s worth.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Randy Johnson fun stats of the day
I found this on another site. I know “W-L” isn’t supposed to matter, but this is pretty damn cool…
Regarding his 27-3 1995 season with the M’s:
- It was the only time in history a team won 90% of the games a pitcher started
- When Randy did not start, the team won 52 and lost 63. That was a worse record than the last place Oakland As. In other words, The Unit took a last place team and single handedly took them to the division championship.
- My favorite Randy Johnson stat from 1995: lefties got 11 hits against him that YEAR. That’s right. Not a misprint. In 30 starts, more than 200 innings, he allowed 11 hits to left handers.
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Wasn’t Fred Lewis the first LHB to get 4 hits off RJ in a single game? I think I remember that happening.
I love the expression on Fred’s face for this at-bat:
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200807273209355
He’s all WHAT THE
You are correct, sir.
LOL FRED.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
he took a bad route
to the plate on all 4 AB
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
Fred Lewis could not find the courage to speak to Randy Johnson until the Big Unit spoke first. Standing around the batting cage Sunday, Johnson looked at the left fielder and said, “We’re on the same team now.”
Later in the day, Lewis saw Johnson in the training room and asked, “What’s up?”
“Your batting average against me,” Johnson replied.
LOL
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
awesome
I’m very glad the Giants signed him last year. It’s too bad he got hurt as I would have liked to see him more last year and maybe even in mop up this year if he would’ve done it.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
RJ >>> Righetti
as a coach.
SABEZ, GITRDUNNNNN!!!!!!!!!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
(Mayor signs proclamation approving this)
(Silently curses living in a democratic republic so that this must be a mere proclamation rather than a decree.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
True, but those aren't available to mayors or fake mayors.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Jan 9, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Amazing
He really did do it all in his career.
My fun fact: Johnson was 13-0 lifetime against the Cubbies with a 1.85 ERA and 142 strikeouts in 102 innings
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Another cool fact.
Barry Bonds career vs RJ in 62 PA’s: .306/.452/.551
LHB’s career vs RJ in 2,103 PA’s: .199/.278/.294
Another
Each of his first three full seasons, Johnson lead the league in walks with 120, 152, and 144. The next year, he got it down to 99. After that, he never had more than 86 in a season. On a couple of occasions, he walked only 44 batters in 30+ starts.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Jonathan Sanchez career path?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
He’s basically the best case scenario for every hard throwing, control challenged lefty, ever.
I posted this graph last July on my site in regards to Johnson
For 2001:
Games: 35
Games with 10+ K’s: 23
Games with 8+K’s: 29
Games without 8+ K’s: 6
High: 20
# of 16 K games: 3 (6.2 to 7 innings)
- of 14 K games: 4 (6 to 7 innings)
- of 12 K games: 4 (6 to 8 innings)
7+ Inning games: 26
Less than 6 inning games 3
Crazy.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
In regard to
With regard to
As regards
About
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
You know, I’m beginning to suspect that this Barry Bonds guy was a pretty good hitter.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Wasn’t he some scrub on the Pirates?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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bad facial hair
IIRC.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I THOUGHT HE WAS A FOOTBALL PLAYER!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
That was Barry Melrose.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Mullet man!
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
- one bird killed
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
Those are some amazing stats
Now that my boy is retired, time to try out a new sig.
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Thanks for sharing a year of your great career with the Giants and their fans.
by Speedforthewin on Jan 6, 2010 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
Given your user name
…you’d have to adopt Vroom Velez, wouldn’t you?
Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.
I’d imagine he’s taken. However, if pods or damon were to sign…
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Thanks for sharing a year of your great career with the Giants and their fans.
by Speedforthewin on Jan 6, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
I know FairweatherFan had him in 2008 at least.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Does anyone have the link for the wiki? I had the address, but lost it at some point
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Thanks for sharing a year of your great career with the Giants and their fans.
by Speedforthewin on Jan 6, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
Will there be a redraft for the adoptive parents who rarely post?
You can’t just adopt a player and then not post in game day threads so everybody can see your kid’s name in the sig, you’d be a deadbeat parent Jon Gosselin.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 6, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
So I guess Mychael Urban changed his mind
about doing a Fred Lewis blog entry.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 8:49 AM PST reply actions
Most confusing baseball picture of 2010
So far
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Alternate Caption!
“Why do I suddenly crave Dominoes Pizza?”
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Man, I can’t see anything.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
LET'S GO RANGERS!
No explanation necessary for that! He’s obviously staying well clear of the evil hockey squads in that area, always a danger when he is going to have to play on Longgisland 81 times during the upcoming year.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
He is?
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 6, 2010 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
I knew the Rangers were having trouble scoring and were up against the cap, but I didn’t know things were so bad that they had to turn to the Mets for help!
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Fools and Sages
I’m sure I could also come up with some sort of Glen Sather/enormous contract joke, but then I realized that Glen Sather is hockey’s version of Brian Sabean, which made me sad.
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Fools and Sages
CANADIANS LOVE HOCKEY!
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Jason,
We didn’t tell you about your offseason job? You didn’t read the fine print did you?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Guys who at least one SBN person voted for
Shane Reynolds
Kevin Appier
Ray Lankford
Ooookay.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Shane ReynLOLds?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
is he a sportswriter now?
or dating one?
Lankford is awesome too. Was that the Cards blog? Sheesh.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Appier is a homer pick, but not as egregious a one as you might think.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/12/15/1200949/the-2010-hall-of-fame-ballot
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
he's definitely
a better pick than the other two.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Appier was pretty damn good for a few years there, but it was with the Royals so hardly anyone noticed. He fell off rather decidedly after age 30 or so, but BtBS makes a decent case.
He was filthy. I hated that guy for some reason.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Lankford is a horrible vote. He was a very good player and this isn’t like something where you’re ranking your choices or anything. If someone wants to throw Lankford a vote, I don’t see what’s wrong with that.
I mean, he was probably a better player than Jim Rice.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Actually
no probably about it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Was Lankford a good defender?
Offensively, I don’t know that he was better than Rice.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Pretty sure he was. I don’t think he belongs in the HoF, but throwing him a vote is hardly a travesty. Worse guys get thrown votes every year.
Like Shane Reynolds.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
The year Will Clark failed to get 5% of the vote, the following players got at least one vote:
Walt Weiss
Doug Jones
Gregg Jeffries
Rick Aguilera
John Wetteland
Gary Gaetti
Hal Morris
Ozzie Guillen
A couple of years earlier, Juan Samuel got 2 votes. JUAN SAMUEL!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I know some writers do just like to throw a bone to guys they liked while they were playing, but yeah.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Admittedly, if I had a vote, I’d be tempted to do that with Ellis Burks. That 2000 team was amazing.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I don’t really see the harm in it. They get 10 spots on their ballot, you can probably afford to use one to give some credit to a guy you liked who’s not a HoF but made it on the ballot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, the only harm is if the guys who voted for those ridiculous players didn’t also vote for more deserving players, like Clark.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Right. It gives a knuckle-dragger an excuse to put in his buddy instead of, say, a steroid user who still deserves to get in.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
This is true.
I still can’t believe Clark was one and done. I can see not giving a vote to a guy the first time if you’re pretty sure he’ll get elected anyway or will stay on the ballot next year, but if you’re on the fence about a guy like Clark – VOTE FOR HIM so that discussion can at least continue in the next few years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
+1
I get why Will’s not in the HOF. But to see Mattingly still on the ballot when Will was just pushed aside pisses me off to no end. Then I remember this isn’t the Baseball Hall of Fame. It’s the Baseball Writers Hall of Fame.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Clark had a better peak and better career numbers. Bah.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
But Clark has an abysmal BDB%*
*Being Donny Ballgame
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
AND HE WS NEVER A BATTING COACH FOR A WINNING TEAMZ!!!!!!!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Also
There was a ballot on MLB.com where the guy voted for the full ten players, including Robin Ventura and yet did not vote for BARRY LARKIN (or Tim Raines for that matter, but…)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Is it just me?
But if Raines does not occur on a voters ballot they should have their vote pulled. It is like failing the eye test at the DMV and still getting license. They have had how many years to do the right thing now?
Grumpy Dave is getting that way about Burt as well. I have been tolerant because the old standard of 300 wins that some worshipped at and him not playing in media centers of the country in an era where you might not see the box score for 36 hours after a game is played but it is about time they get off the stick on that one as well.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
An interview with Jonah Keri today pointed out that Raines, despite not reaching 3,000 hits, had over 3,900 times on base in his career – more than Gwynn, Clemente and Lou Brock, for example. If 400 of his walks had been turned into singles, he would likely be in already – and probably on the first ballot. Hell, if 400 walks had been turned to singles and 400 walks been turned to outs, he’d probably be in already.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I agree with your overall point regarding the value of Raines, BUT a walk does remain less valuable than a single.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Yes but, 2 walks is more valuable than
1 single and GIDP.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Your 2010 SF Giatns
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
It does, but still – does it really make sense that if his times on base were slightly shifted around, he would have made it in on the first ballot?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Nope. I was just nitpicking the exact numbers you used in your theoretical example.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I think hits milestones are the weakest, next to games played
BUT CAL RIPKIN…BEST SS EVERRRRRRR!!!!!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I am open to hear the argument against games played.
To me games played is very important number on how I view a candidate. Partly because baseball is a marathon and the team has to run the whole thing. A Star player that can only run a third of the way most seasons is not HOF or even Hall of Very Good in my opinion. I also can use games played to gauge how long they played at a lower level than their peek and if they played more than one position how they did there as well.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
If you suck and you play just to keep a streak alive you hurt your team.
There. That’s it.
Nice avatar.
Poor Schwartz.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Yeah, but Cal Ripken very rarely sucked during his streak. Once he moved to third base, he was no longer as valuable, but still, he wasn’t horrible.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Okay,
okay. It really just ticks me off that you get a victory lap, and immortality for showing up every day.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I’m pretty sure you realize that that’s not why Cal Ripken is in the Hall of Fame.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
And also, it’s pretty damn impressive. Never being hurt and always being at least pretty good over the course of many years is very valuable.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yeah
but still.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
But still sounds like “I’m just saying” to me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I admit it.
I just don’t like him OKAY! you got me. He was a great player, his 91 year was ARODIAN, before AROD. I think he is a smidge overrated and it bugs me to unreasonable ends.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Oh please
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I remember Robby got a vote...didn't he?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
/waits for Rich Aurilla and Bobby Estella to get votes
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Slick with the glove, and
RINGZZZZ!!!!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ray LOLankford?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Blyleven has to get in this year. The universe needs to make up for the travesty of Jim Rice last year.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Him and Raines should have been years ago. But they are baeball writers and we keep the guards on reachible outlet puts on fora reason when most of them are arround.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
dave, wrong , button.
Him and Raines should have been years ago. But they are baseball writers and we keep the guards on reachable outlet plugs on for a reason when most of them are around.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
I agree with all of your selections. Except for Edgar. He’s so wee & non-tackly.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I approve
of Grant’s ballot.
Although I think he left off:
Bobby Grich
Lou Whitaker
Ron Santo
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I think they were probably not supposed to include ineligible players.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I thought Trammell was no longer eligible…
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I can’t remember how many years of eligibility you get, but he’s on the 2010 ballot. Seventh year on it.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
well
shows how much attention I pay to the HOF.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Would have voted for all of them if they were still on the ballot.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 6, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
future eligibility, FYI
2011: Wilson Alvarez, Carlos Baerga, Jeff Bagwell, Bret Boone, Kevin Brown, John Franco, Juan Gonzalez, Marquis Grissom, Mike Hampton, Al Leiter, Tino Martinez, Raul Mondesi, Hideo Nomo, John Olerud, Rafael Palmeiro, Troy Percival,
Benito Santiago, Ugueth Urbina, Larry Walker
2012: Bill Mueller, Tim Salmon, Tim Worrell
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
If some of the more deserving backlog players aren’t elected by 2012, things could get ugly in the years following. The 2013 list of eligibles is a doozy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Bonds, Clemens, Piazza, Schilling, Biggio. Yowzers.
I fear Biggio will be Tim Raines v.2 for voters, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I think he’ll sail in because he PLAYED THE GAME THE RIGHT WAY not like those cheaters Bonds and Clemens.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Did he, though, or is he one of many guys who just didn’t get caught? I posted something below too, but if you look at his career numbers, they at the least look a little suspicious…
Everyone’s do and I don’t care that they do.
Though I understand your point.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Hell, Roger Maris hit almost 1/4 of his career homeruns in one season and Hank Aaron had the most prolific power years of his career between the ages of 35 and 39. There are a LOT of players with weird stats, even before ROIDZ. Yes, everyone with weird stats in the ROIDZ era should probably be considered suspect, but considering them suspect and letting that paint your opinion of their achievements are different things. We shouldn’t let weirdo suspicions unfairly paint the careers of these players if we don’t absolutely have to. And we probably don’t absolutely have to.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
The East German Olympic team would like to talk to you about the existence of roidz during Hank’s career. Not that I’m making that accusation…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I understand long history that ROIDZ have in sports. I’m just citing the popularly accepted ROIDZERA.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
OK then, I’ll come out and say it – Hammering Hank was juicing!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve said it before, his & Bagwell’s #‘s took off when they met Ken Caminit. Not that it would keep them off my ballot, I’ve just had too many conversations with Astros fans.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
He’s a small guy whose HR totals in his late 30s were surprisingly high. That said, Minute Maid Park could’ve had a lot to do with it. I have nothing against Biggio, really. I’m just thinking more of the huge stars who won’t get in for using substances that guys with lesser stats who could get in could’ve very well used also…
Actually, maybe not. He did get to 3000 hits.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I was just looking at a page detailing the 2013 eligibile players, and it noted Biggio “reached 3000 hits, but he only hit .281.” It also noted he isn’t beloved outside of Houston.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He did really hang on to reach 3000 hits, dragging down his overall numbers. That said, he’ll go in first ballot pretty easily.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, but he retained positive value for the Astros every year but the last, and it only took him the first half of that last season to get to his 3000th hit.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
34 one season!
Most walks Bengie ever got in a season: 27.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He’s the only sure thing on that list.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Bagwell and Palmiero (but he probably won’t get in). I lean against Walker, but I am open to a strong argument.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I would wager that Nomo will get quite a few votes.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Olerud too, he’ll get 5%
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Walker
is about as good as Ichiro, career wise.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Mike Hampton? Didn’t he pitch this year?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
The list of “future eligibility” I copied that from included the classes of 2008-2010, so it probably was written when Hampton was out forever with injuries and hasn’t been updated since.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Just making sure I’m not missing something
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
also
Kevin Brown probably won’t make it in, but he has a good case.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Kevin Brown in his thirties was a sure-fire Hall of Famer — averaged 190 innings a year with an ERA+ of 150. But his twenties kind of sucked.
The Giants signed Osvaldo Fernandez in 1996, shortly after the Marlins gave Brown a big contract. I still remember some KNBR schlub (a host, not a caller) going off on how he’d rather the Giants spend big money on a guy like Osvaldo, who could well be great, than on someone like Kevin Brown, who we already know isn’t any good.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Larry Walker. Time to test out the Coors Field effect on the HOF vote.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Todd Helton’s anxiously awaiting the results.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I think Helton is a lock if he gives two more years of average play. Helton is a great player, in fact his lowest full season OPS+ other than last year (injury?) is like 117
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Raffy and Bags....
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
hell, let'em all in
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
Oh, no you didn't!
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
BOCOCK!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WE LOST A HOFER!!!!!!!!!!!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
TROPHIES FOR EVERYONE!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Hall of "Very Good"
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
“Can’t I just bet that all the horses will have a fun time?”
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Without looking at his stats, I can tell you that I wouldn’t vote for Trammell since I didn’t put his baseball cards to the side with the stars when I was going through a new pack.
The Hall of Fame just seems like it’s going to get less relevant in the next decade once we see that Gary Carter and Craig Biggio are in but Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are not. It’s going to be really weird seeing guys like Biggio and Jeff Kent who will likely be voted in when they sustained production much longer than players used to but there’s no evidence to tie them to any PEDs…
Gary Carter
/Sigh
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Pete Rose is not in the HoF-- it is already on the doorstep of joke status.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
OT -- Mychael Urban vs Henry Schulman
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/06/SP931BE0AS.DTL&feed=rss.giants
The Giants are believed to have some interest in free-agent outfielders Johnny Damon and Jack Cust. Others on the market include Scott Podsednik, whom the Giants tried to acquire via trade some years back, and Rick Ankiel.
Phone rings. National writer picks up.
Agent: “Hey, it’s me. Remember when I helped you break that story last June?”
National writer: “Yeah. My boss loved it. What’s up?”
Agent: “I need you to return the favor.”
National writer: “Sure. What’s up?”
Agent: “My guy’s not getting a ton of interest out there. In fact, I’ve got one, maybe two teams in on him, tops. I need to create some buzz. Make people think he’s in higher demand.”
National writer: “OK. Who have you talked to?”
Agent: “Well, I called the Giants, Phillies and Yankees, but they’re not into my guy at all.”
National writer: “But you talked to them, right?”
Agent: “Well, yeah. But only for about 10 seconds. They laughed and asked about one of my other guys.”
National writer: “But you did talk to them, right?”
Agent: “Technically, yeah.”
National writer: “Perfect. I’ll write a little something saying the Giants, Phillies and Yankees recently spoke with the guy’s agent. It’s not untrue.”
Agent: “No, it’s not. It’s perfect. All I need is a couple more teams’ names out there attached to my guy. Now the teams who do like him might think they need to bump up their offer. Thanks.”
National writer: “No problem. But now you have to let me break the news when your guy really signs.”
Agent: “No problem. You’ll be the first to know.”
Pretty shaky, right? Totally. But that kind of crap happens all the time. So the next time you see something like the Giants are interested in Cust, think of what you just learned and move on with your day.
OH IT’S ON
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Huh. That’s pretty cool as long as he isn’t making all of that up himself.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Meh
Cust is no Tejada! That is for sure!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Note that Mychaeieal Organ
doesn’t say anywhere in that blurb that he doesn’t participate. If you think he wasn’t “leaking” Zito offers like mad a few years back, I’d eat my flexibility.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
Not so good
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
PLus, probably more appropriate as a ‘TWHS!’ if you get my drift.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
OK I didn't know Mr. Organ had a blob
Chemistry is tough to quantify, but Uribe undeniably helped team chemistry last season, and everyone in that clubhouse will tell you that his influence helped a severely flawed team contend deep into the season. He also provided more than his fair share of clutch hits, and he plays all over the infield, which means he’s insurance against injury for Edgar Renteria, Freddy Sanchez, Pablo Sandoval and, yes, Mark DeRosa.
You know, I had thought Uribe helped the team by having a good throwing arm and hitting better than Rent. Now I know he really played a lot of dominoes and bought the first round in the hotel bar. I stand corrected! Anyway, here’s to re-signing Gopher for another wacky season on the Love Boat!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Chemistry is tough to quantify
If by hard he means IMPOSSIBLE! Then yeas I agree with that statement.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
Impossible? Chemistry is a science. We can quantify the crap out of it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, I fail Qualitative and Titration Chem
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Fixed
Chemistry is tough to quantify, but Uribe supplied 11.3 Clubhouse Chemistry Units (CCUs).
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
what's the ratio of CCUs to OBS?
You stats peoples are so confusing.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
How this guy is even considered a writer is beyond me.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/urban_blog
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Blyleven!
In the history of baseball, there are 43 pitchers with over 250 wins, and of those eligible, only 7 are not in the HOF. Of those, 3 are obscure 19th century guys. The others: Bert Blyleven, Tommy John, Jim Kaat and Jack Morris. All of them should be in the hall in my opinion, and if ever there was a year for Blyleven to make it, this is it. I would also vote for Andre Dawson, and that’s it for this year.
by crazedcrustacean on Jan 6, 2010 10:28 AM PST reply actions
I like Dawson, but...
Him and not Raines, Alomar, Larkin, or Trammell?
Wow.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Jack Morris, no.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Tommy John I am luke warm on. Kaat I need some powerful convincing. I agree if going for Morrises peek how does one not chose Dave Stewarts peak instead?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
This is the second Dave Stewart reference I found on MCC TODAY! What happened to the DS-Free Zone?!?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
In fairness I don’t think D.S. should be given mcuh consideration either. But I can’t see how one choses Morris has clear up grade and their peaks were pretty much at the same time so make a good comparision to me.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
The thing is that once you look at Morris as an option, all of a sudden a million guys look like reasonable choices and you have to ask what makes Morris in and those guys out? For example, Appier, Stewart, Saberhagen, Gooden, Reuschel, Stieb, etc etc I could go on for hours
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I just don’t want to think about him. These threads deserve their own section so I can avoid them.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
NO JACK MORRIS
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Blyleven
He seems like a solid choice, but weird to see that in a stretch of two years he gave up 50 then 46 home runs, especially since he never gave up more than 24 any other year, and two years after that he had an outstanding season and only gave up 14 home runs. The big HR years were the first two years he was with the Twins, but in his third year with the Twins he had worse overall stats but only gave up 21 home runs. I’m just always curious what’s going on when stats change so much in one direction or another…
McGwire
The most ridiculous thing about the article Grant linked is that, in trying to make the case that McGwire was not a HOFer regardless of steroids, the writer still can’t resist steroid related cheap shots every other paragraph. To me that says he doesn’t really trust his own argument.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
whoa, seriously?
Repoz’s tally on BBTF showed him going in pretty easily.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Ridiculous
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Sweet Jesus
Bert was 74.2!!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Alomar was 73.7
The good news is that this means they’re both pretty much locks to make it in next year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
lol blyleven being a lock
I certainly hope you’re right, but I’m not optimistic.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
how you like it so far?
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
tough to get used to, i need to set up the email and facebook thing, but texting is a little tough to get used to, and the battery life isn’t great yet… so i got to get that worked out
How bad is the battery life?
can it make it through a day?
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Yea, barely, i mean if you’re on it ALL THE TIME and like using all the apps, it’ll kill the battery, but i forgot what the trick is, you let it die first, then charge it full… i think that’s how you get best battery life
Yeah
and look for an update too. There might be a new firmware that helps with that. I heard they improved it a little.
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yea, you know what i might do, is go to the verizon store for help with email and facebook, plus ask about battery life
And never unplug it. Ever.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, run it all they way down and then charge it. Also refrain from charging it when it is over 1/2 full (arbitrary number) the lower the battery life when you begin a call the better life you will get out of the battery.
Is the battery sealed or can you changed yourself?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
well, i fucked up, well, dad fucked up, we got it in the mail, and right away he charged it… so it’s messed up, i might just have to go to the verizon store
Its ok, sometimes you have to charge it to make sure you have the battery life short term (going to a ball game or catching a flight) you just have to minimize it. Also fully charge it each time too.
- These are all arbitrary rules my tech geek cousin told me.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
So would it be smart to not go to the verizon store to get it fixed? because i mean, i got to go there anyway for help with email and facebook
+1 for iPhone.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Sorry
i got to go there anyway for help with email and facebook
+1 for iPhone
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
no, it’s not that… it’s my school email that screws it up, it’d happen anyway with the iphone, so TOO BAD +1 DROID and +1111111 for verizon
I think he means he does that for his iphone too
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Oh, well in that case, shit…. oh well, i just gotta get this worked out… it wasn’t that hard with the blackberry
well that sucks
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meh… could always just look it up online, shouldn’t be that hard… aside from that, the apps are COOL, tons of fun stuff on the phone
neeto
hope it works out…
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good to hear
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No, I was suggesting that
if having droid requires one go to a service store to get your email and FB hooked up, it’s not worth having. But it appears this is a unique circumstance.
The funny thing is the iPhone came out what 5 years ago? and here we have the first legit competitor. Apple already has something in it’s back pocket to blow this out of the water.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I’m just stunned that Apple is still thinking of things to come out with, like what’s next, they have an ipod with camera…
They will always be developing new products
That’s what they do. Innovate. That is why they destroy everyone else. Even when competitors have years to catch up their offerings don’t quite stack up. Posers.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Well… now i would be a little worried about google coming up with ideas… so far, this phone is AWESOME, love it
True
Google is the only competitor who could even try to keep pace with Apple in regard to innovation.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
That's why even I think the droid is better than the iphone
That and its keyboard. I really wish the iphone had a keyboard
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I’ve used a iPhone a few times. My greasey fingers don’t get along with the touch screen.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
+1
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I definitely prefer the blackberry keyboard
but I still prefer the droid’s to a touch screen, even one as good as apple’s
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my point
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
No problems for me with the touch screen key pad
And I have big fat fingertips. Maybe you should stop picking your nose?
I don’t know if there is some intuitive adjustment by the iPhone, or if I just got used to it but after about three days I had very few typos. I actually think I “type” faster without keys since you don’t have to press so hard.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Personally
I can’t stand it. I’ve used it over an extended period and I just can’t stand not having real buttons. It’s a mental thing I think
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maybe it's because I went straight from
crappy cel phone to iPod touch and rarely text.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
No QWRTY to get used to before
the touch screen.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Ehhh, I’m someone who only had a regular phone keypad and went straight to the Droid with its both touchscreen and physical keyboards. I’ve barely used the touchscreen keyboards, I’m so in love with having a normal physical keyboard laid out for me.
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Isn't it awesome?
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Like I said, I’m in love with it. Granted, I only really got to use it for three days or so before my trip to France, but it amazes me at how much I’ve missed. Like custom ringtones that don’t cost $3 each. And the internet from a PHONE.
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Yea, that app is crazy, the barcode scanner, tons of things for free… i really find no point in buying any of the apps
Seriously. I go online to search for the best free apps, download them, and voila! I doubt I will ever be bored again.
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Ahh yes
In a month I probably send and receive close to 3000 texts.
So yeah, keyboard is nice. Also emails.
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Man you're right feels like longer.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Apple just has great brand recognition. Their products aren’t necessarily better, they just give the aura of being better.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Depends
The interface is part of the product and makes the experience superior. If you want to get into technical nit picking, you can make your case, but Apple ALWAYS creates the best customer interface with product and that is not all marketing, a lot of it IS product.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Just looking at a Droid
the thing is humongous, clunky and awkward. Worse customer interface.
IPhone looks and feels like the awesomest gadget ever invented and that is backed up by it’s functionality. I haven’t used the Droid yet, but I do like the voice activation.
I am sure that will be a part of the next iPhone upgrade. That’s likely why they chose to deny Google’s app in the app store.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
the only reason it is big, is that it has the keyboard as well, and i like it so far… it’s fantastic, about as heavy maybe slightly heavier than the iphone.
Voice activation is awesome, plus the barcode reader app they have is amazing
I didn't know there was such an app.
Very cool.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It'll be interesting to see
who develops more apps, and if apple can maintain market share there, because mobile apps are the future of communication and commerce.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
By the way
I don’t even have an iPhone. I have an iPod touch which serves many of the same functions within wifi reception all for $220 and $0 monthly.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Those are very tempting
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I like how you're bashing a product you've never used
simply because “it isn’t apple”.
I love apple, as most here know, but the droid is a serious competitor, and is better in a lot of ways, not the least of which is the keyboard and the network
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Its amazing the perception Apple has been able to create. I like apple, I just don’t see them as a far and above better product in general.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
IMO
their computers are. There is no comparison between windows and OSX for me, it’s just a matter of money.
And for awhile the iphone was the same way, apple DID basically create a new market. But the Droid is doing the same thing in a more open way, which a lot of people, me included, may prefer.
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It's true the open format could give them
a huge advantage, probably the biggest threat to them.
Again, I reiterate, Droid IS a legit competitor. Just took almost 3 years—enough time for apple to develop something better. If Apple had chosen Verizon, the Droid would not exist.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Apple offered it to verizon
and they turned it down, the fucking morons.
That’s fine that apple invented the space, but they damn well better keep on going with it (their announcement is going to be a tablet, not a phone), or they’re going to get caught. They’re not invincible.
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I am sure the next iPhone
will have video camera like the nano, and probably some sort of software to optimize those frames for photo prints, you’ll be able to record video and instantly send it to anyone directly or upload to Youtube. And the tablet will change the way we consume media forever. It could kill cable entirely.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I'm not at all interested in a tablet
I think I’m just going to miss the buss on that one entirely.
And can’t you already record and send video on an iphone?
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Dude it already has a video
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
My. Bad. Oops.
Like I said, not a user.
I was told that the next gen IPT will have vid.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
But dude, the tablet
Why would you buy cable if you could watch whatever, whenever, wherever? That will happen. And it ain’t that far away. iPhone/iPod is already destroying what’s left of radio.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Only thing working against the tablet
is ≠ pocket size. But you get a big enough screen to make reading books, watching movies, tv, very feasible.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Where did I bash the droid?
except for saying it was clunky (true) too big (true), and ugly (true). I can judge all that by merely picking it up and handling which I have done.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It's not that much bigger than the iphone
and any size difference is because its screen is quite a lot better than the iphone’s.
And it’s thicker only because it has an actual keyboard and not a little pretend one.
wow, look at me bashing an apple product. Someone check if hell is freezing today
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I have no problem with the touch screen keyboard
so I prefer a smaller device that doesn’t feel like a brick in my pocket.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I guess this is the difference between IPT and Iphone too.
IPT is much slimmer. It’s tiny. So the Droid feels almost twice the size as an IPT.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I use holsters these days
so there ya go. Different strokes fer different folks. The droid will still be skinnier than the blackberry I have now
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if having droid requires one go to a service store
This is kinda funny as a pro-Apple statement.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
OUT OF CONTEXT!!!!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
He’s at 74.2 this year. Anyone who gets up that high will eventually make it in.
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Yeah you're probably right
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Jim Bunning topped out at 74.X%
just sayin…
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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shoot
you’re right
that said, I’m pretty sure Bert and Alomar will make it in next year
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I really really hope so
it’s such a joke it’s taken this long for Blyleven
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Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
-.8 for having the same name as a gay muppet.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Don’t project – they were just friends.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
one was conical the other circular. DUH!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
They were as gay as Race Bannon and Dr. Quest.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
/covers ears
NANANANANA I CANT HEAR YOU NANANANANNANA
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Also, he was born in the Netherlands. HATES AMERICA LOVES POT AND HOOKERS!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
fixed
HATESAMERICA LOVES POT AND HOOKERS!!!!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Andre Dawson was elected to the Hall of Fame today, the only player selected. Barry Larkin and Roberto Alomar fell short.
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Heck, i never really heard of the guy Andre Dawson, it almost seemed Roberto had a better career… wow
Roberto did have a better career, but lol never heard of Andre Dawson
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No offense, but that’s a Mike Fox level WTF.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Heck, i never really heard of the guy Andre Dawson
Expos facto
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
They make a good steak seasoning.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
/ noods nods
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Noodles nod.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
You are thinking of Falcons receiver Andre Rison.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
here's how you tell them apart
Rison was a Falcon, whereas Dawson was The Hawk.
Also, Left Eye never set Andre Dawson’s bathtub on fire. As far as we know.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Important distinction.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Wildcat!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
To be fair, he played before PikA was born. But I’m guessing he probably played before you were born as well. So maybe that’s not the greatest excuse.
Andre Dawson played until 1996
Pika may be young, but he’s not Mike Fox.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
OK, should have said “He had his best years before PikA was born.” When PikA started watching baseball, Hawk was just some old guy who couldn’t field.
I thought that Alomar would be a shoo-in
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Along with pulling the mask off the Lone Ranger, tugging on Superman’s cape I case we can add spitting on an ump.
I does seem that middle infielders are expected to hit like Corner Players ( infield and outfield) to get enough votes but corner players aren’t expect to field like middle infielders.
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Was that his first ballot? Because many writers would refuse to write him in as a first-ballot HOF-er based on the expectoration incident.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 7, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, bullshit.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
No surprise really. He did spit in the umps face and the BBWAA is not a fan of that.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Bad Soldier.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
OT
I’m loving the bocock tweets
Also, fuck you, HOF. Blyleven should be in. Fucking idiots.
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SEVENTY-FOUR POINT TWO
THE POOR MAN
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Bert and Ernie are gay and thus will never get in the Hall of Fame.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick names three free agents on the Royals’ radar for center field: Rick Ankiel, Scott Podsednik, and Randy Winn. It should be noted that none of the three logged 500 innings in center in ‘09. Crasnick’s source doesn’t see the Royals spending much more than $2MM on a one-year deal, so playing time could be the biggest selling point. Coco Crisp at $5.25MM coming off two shoulder surgeries might be seen as an overpay by Oakland, if these other free agents sign for less than half that.
C’MON ROYALS. MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE. PODS IS FOR YOU
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Andre Dawson 420 (77.9%),
Bert Blyleven 400 (74.2%),
Roberto Alomar 397 (73.7%),
Jack Morris 282 (52.3%),
Barry Larkin 278 (51.6%),
Lee Smith 255 (47.3%),
Edgar Martinez 195 (36.2%),
Tim Raines 164 (30.4%),
Mark McGwire 128 (23.7%),
Alan Trammell 121 (22.4%),
Fred McGriff 116 (21.5%),
Don Mattingly 87 (16.1%),
Dave Parker 82 (15.2%),
Dale Murphy 63 (11.7%),
Harold Baines 33 (6.1%),
Andres Galarraga 22 (4.1%),
Robin Ventura 7 (1.3%),
Ellis Burks 2 (0.4%),
Eric Karros 2 (0.4%),
Kevin Appier 1 (0.2%),
Pat Hentgen 1 (0.2%),
David Segui 1 (0.2%),
Mike Jackson 0,
Ray Lankford 0,
Shane Reynolds 0,
Todd Zeile 0.
OH MY GOD JACK MORRIS GOT MORE VOTES THAN BARRY LARKIN
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
By the way
Bert was 5 votes from induction, Alomar needed 8 more.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Larkin barely broke 50%!?
What. the. fuck. is. wrong. with. the. voters.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’ve read a million pro-Jack Morris in the Hall of Fame articles and I don’t get it either.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
There’s a lot of talk about how he pitched to the score or whatever, but all the data I’ve seen indicates that it’s really not the case.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Pitch to the score, keep the game interesting, make sure the other team is always has a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
This.
How does one chose Morisses peak over Dave Stewart’s peak? Meh.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
THIRD!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Woah, random Ender’s Game flashbacks to that.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
Oh god
I like Speaker for the Dead, but Xenocide and Children of the Mind are nearly unreadable.
Ender’s Shadow is interesting, but it’s basically Ender’s Game from a different perspective. I never got into the rest.
The funny thing is that everyone LOVED Ender’s Game for the interesting premise – little kids learning to kill people! in space! but apparently Card only wrote it so he could write the pseudo-intellectual psychobabble that makes up the rest of the series.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I like Speaker for the Dead, but Xenocide and Children of the Mind are nearly unreadable.
Sadly, I’ve heard similar. EG was a really fun read but I stopped there.
I would recommend Speaker for the Dead. But as jponry says, not any of the others. I think I actually gave up after Xenocide.
I think I tried reading Xenocide before I read any of the other books when I was 11 or something, and I gave up after the first few pages. I just remember thinking that the book had to be good because its title started with an x, but I was wrong.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
apparently Card only wrote it so he could write the pseudo-intellectual psychobabble that makes up the rest of the series.
It was a short story first, so he did like the premise at first, but I think the reason for turning it into a book was to do all that other stuff.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I liked Ender’s Shadow quite a bit, but I haven’t had the chance to read the other ones yet.
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
Proud member of the "Re-Sign Marleau" Club
Fools and Sages
i kind of liked them all
it’s an interesting universe. I also liked Card’s book where he has a universe where Columbus doesn’t discover America (not very PC though!)
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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“Columbus discovered America, except there were already people there, so that’s sort of like discovering someone’s back yard.”
(paraphrasing Chris Rock here)
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
NORWEGIAN HERITAGE NIGHT!!
He also wasn’t the first non-native to set foot on North America.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
He didn’t set foot in North America at all, if you mean the mainland.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I mean any land mass associated with the continent.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
SOME RANDOM SCANDINAVIAN DIDN’T DISCOVER AMERICA YEARS BEFORE COLUMBUS DIDN’T DISCOVER AMERICA.
I was promised lasagna.
THEY DIDN"T GET THERE FIRST ABOUT 300 YEARs BEFORE COLUMBUS DIDN’T GET THERE FIRST!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
shut up
and get cracking on the lefse for the churro men to sell!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
he discovered it from Spain and Portugal’s perspective, which is all that really matters
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BUT HES ITALLIAN!!!!!!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
Card has kind of douchey opinions in general
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Card described homosexuality as an acquired characteristic linked to abuse or molestation in childhood, has called same-sex marriage a “potentially devastating social experiment”, and argued that same-sex marriage is not necessary to ensure equal rights because: “Any homosexual man who can persuade a woman to take him as her husband can avail himself of all the rights of husbandhood under the law.”
Yeah, I can’t even begin to get into how sickening that quote is.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
Heinlein
had some horrible politics too. But I still like his books.
I don’t worry about what god baseball players worship either… although I wish the Giants would make some sacrifices to the god of getting on base.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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/sac bunts in first inning
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I think that goes along with being Mormon. (Apologies to any non-douchey Mormons who might be out there.)
Steve Young = non-douchey Mormon.
His monetary contributions to certain campaigns back me up.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
I know
But saying something mean and then apologizing doesn’t mean a dude won’t get offended.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Yeah. Kind of like when I said that all grougs are assholes. But then I was so careful to single you out as not being an asshole. It took you a long time to get over that one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
ANTI-MAC BIAS
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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If it’s “not very PC,” wouldn’t that be a pro-Mac bias? Unless it’s pro-Commodore or something.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yeah, I realized that right after I posted it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I almost wrote “realised”. CURSE YOU, ENGLAND
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I HATE YOU, YOUR ALUMINIUM, AND YOUR BEANS ON TOAST!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It’s Bovril on toast I find unforgivable.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I hate their Saloon cars.
Sounds like it belongs on a train.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
This is kinda funny.
Jack Morris career WAR: 39.3
That places him as the 139th best pitcher in baseball by WAR. Tom Candiotti and Tim Hudson both have higher WAR totals.
I remember on arguing pro-Morris because of OMG PLAYOFF MAGIC!!!! and also argued against Blyleven because "nobody who saw him pitch thought he looked like a Hall of Famer"
Morris in the postseason: 7-4, 3.80 ERA
Blyleven in the postseason: 5-1, 2.47 ERA
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yep
The guys who are really big Morris supporters (like the rabid ones who write articles about how amazing Morris was) seem to often be Blyleven non-supporters, which makes no sense.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Blyleven even beat Jack Morris in a playoff game in like 1980!
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LOL DAVID SEGUI
LOL PAT HENTGEN
LOL ERIC KARROS
LOL ROBIN VENTURA
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Mike Jackson?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think McGwire should have been first ballot.
Eff the moralizing baseball writers.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
if they would let Rose in, I’d feel ok with McGwire getting in, too
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
that's somewhat defensible
except that Rose broke actual written rules and McGwire didn’t
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"Rose broke actual written rules"
Very true… which is why his lifetime ban from baseball should continue for his life but his induction into the Hall of Fame (a museum, not baseball) should have nothing to do with that. Ban him from baseball, but not the HoF.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
What Rose did is worse than ROIDZZ.
Besides he only hit a bunch of singles.
/sarchasm
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
More than Raines or Smith as well.
BWA here is helpful hint: If you want to stay relevant as newspapers circulations shrink perhaps take your votes rather seriously? People do not buy papers for breaking news any more but for insightful, and sometimes amusing, writing on the events. This includes the sports section.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
by daveinexile on Jan 6, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was El gato would get 5%
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
I’d vote for him just because I really liked him. I wouldn’t ever expect him to have a chance but he was one of my favorites for some reason.
Decent career. Decent guy. Good Giant. Cancer survivor. What’s not to like?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
One of the most massive homers ever in the short history of Mays Field.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Blyleven
I was at the height of my baseball awareness when Blyleven was playing. He was a good pitcher, at times very good. That does not equal HOF, in my book.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
Even without getting into fancy-pants NERDZ stuff
When he retired, he had more strike outs than any pitcher in history other than Nolan Ryan and Steve Carlton. If I remember correctly, he has more wins than any eligible player not in the HOF.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Look at the top 15 career strike out leaders
1) Nolan Ryan 5,714
2) Randy Johnson 4,789
3) Roger Clemens 4,672
4) Steve Carlton 4,136
5) Bert Blyleven 3,701
6) Tom Seaver 3,640
7) Don Sutton 3,574
8) Gaylord Perry 3,534
9) Walter Johnson 3,508
10) Greg Maddux 3,371
11) Phil Niekro 3,342
12) Fergie Jenkins 3,192
13) Bob Gibson 3,117
13) Pedro Martinez 3,117
15) Curt Schilling 3,116
Putting aside the Clemens OMG ROIDZ!!! stuff, those are all Hall of Famers, or sure-fire future Hall of Famers….except, somehow, Blyleven.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
4970 career IP, 287 wins, 3,701 strikeouts, 118 career ERA+, 1.198 career WHIP
He had historically poor run support, which accounts for what seems like a less than great record (.534 WP)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
some rankings for those
14th all time in IP, 5th all time in strikeouts, 9th all time in shutouts
Black Ink Pitching – 16 (134), Average HOFer ≈ 40
Gray Ink Pitching – 240 (25), Average HOFer ≈ 185
Hall of Fame Monitor Pitching – 120 (69), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Pitching – 50 (38), Average HOFer ≈ 50
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
he wasn't as good as Tom Seaver!
He’s not a HOF!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I was at the height of my baseball awareness when Blyleven was playing.
This is a scary statement to make as a preamble to an anti-Blyleven HoF sentiment.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
You you should get the most recent edition of your book. I think the one you have is out of date.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
he pitched for, like, 50 years! wtf—of course he’d pile up numberz
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
2 seasons less than Steve Carlton
And hey, they had almost the same ERA, even though Blyleven pitched in the AL, with the DH, much of his career!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
and actually, if you go by ERA+, which compares the individual pitcher's ERA to the league average
Blyleven was slightly better than Carlton.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
if you had those two on your staff and had to pick one for Game 7, who would it be?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
That’s pretty hard to say, since it depends a lot on what part of their respective careers you’re talking about, etc.
Just for the hell of it:
Blyleven, postseason: 5-1, 2.47 ERA
Carlton, postseason: 6-6, 3.26 ERA
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
What age is Carlton? Because once he is into his 30’s it deffinatley not automatic. Also in the era they played no Wild card and only 2 post season slots so guy that would chew up 200+ IP and post good numbers going it were was much more nessary than now days.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
holy crap, are you kidding? for so many years, Carlton was THE MAN
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Carlton is better than Blyleven, but again, I wasn’t aware Carlton was the in-out line for the HoF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
The more I look at it, though, the closer it really is between those two. Carlton’s top-end was higher and his comedown was more stark, but he wasn’t as consistent. And there really shouldn’t be any understating how consistently good Blyleven was all throughout the ‘70s. Arguably better than any 10 year period in Carlton’s career.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
He was THE MAN in his 20’s. He was darn good in his 30’s but not the same. WE are talking the 70’s & 80’s with 5 & 6team divsions so there is no chance for a 2005 Cards where a team can stumble arrounde and pray to get hot in October.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Carlton was RJ before there was RJ
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Say What? CArlton NEVER had the control issues thta RJ had. He had what 3.9 BB/9 as his worst year.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
nasty, nasty slider
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
"there is no chance for a 2005 Cards where a team can stumble arrounde and pray to get hot in October"
The .509, 82-79, up 3-2 after 5 against Oakland, ’73 Mets might disagree.
Proud father of Barry Bonds.
oh Gawds how did I forget them....
But then I did not mention teh ’05 pads ( 82-80) either.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Actually… it really is close. Much lower walk rate for Blyleven, and less baserunners overall. If not for some massive dingerz given up numbers in his last five seasons, it’d probably be an easier choice…
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
some say that the DH is an advantage for pitchers
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Some are morons.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
what, they don’t have to hit or run the bases, they can stay in the game longer….
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
That explains why there are always so many fewer runs scored in the AL, I guess.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
i’m just telling what the pitchers say
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
What pitchers?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
them
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Oh.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
Even if that’s true, players are often the worst judges of their own performance, it seems. This seems to happen in a lot of fields – writers and musicians, for example, are often terrible judges of their own work.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I didn’t want to see Sutton in there, either. Niekro had that “Fame” element, though; otherwise, he’s in the “Hall of Very Good,” too.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Niekro’s case also had a couple "intangibles" going for him. He played his home games in a very hitter friendly park and a lot of horrendous teams. Weere Sutton can’t really make either claim. Over 2400 innings in The Latrine and the Astrodome is kind of the opposite of 2100 Ip in fulton County. And there is no compasirion for the teams behind them either.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
And he was able to pitch for 22 seasons because he sucked so much.
Really, take any sample from his career outside of possibly his last five seasons, and his numbers during that period will be pretty fantastic. And even if you just take the last five years of his career, his numbers are pretty okay.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
And he was able to pitch for 22 seasons because he sucked so much.
Sorry, that’s not a fair tactic. Imagine I didn’t say that part.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
nothing wrong with being very good
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
the key word here is “Fame”
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
which in a large part is due to the media
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
hmm, who votes for this stuff?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
But he’s going to get in through the media next year and you’re talking about your own personal views on it right here.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Makes a man take things over?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ray Schalk
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
No it isn't
Jose Canseco! Roger Maris! Don Larsen!
These are all famous players who should not be in the Hall of Fame. It’s for great players, and Bert Blyleven was indisputably a great player.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Five guys turned in blank ballots. Five guys have blank brains. Bert was five votes short.
It’s just infuriating.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Jay Mariotti was all smug that he was going to refuse to vote for anyone (other than Dawson, I think).
I hate this shit, it’s writers who want attention
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Reminds me of the Mike Piazza head and Shoulders ad
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Or Perts
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Brick WaLOL!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Um, what?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well… here’s the thing, since i go to school at Miami ohio… there are a ton of kids that go there from Chicago, and they truly hate it when someone says, “oh you’re from Illinoise?” plus, people from chicago are pretty ignorant, at least that’s what i’ve found while at school
How do you pronounce Nevada and Oregon? Those are two biggies in term of mispronunciation on the east coast.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Schwa-tastic!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
The worst are Peabody, MA (pronounced Peebiddy locally) and Worcester, MA (Pronounced Whister locally)
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
New Englanders are a weird bunch.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I just have a friend from NYC and a ton of friends from Chicago, NYC friend is very arrogant, and the Chicago friends are just a bunch of people that think they’re better than you
Hey, geography major.
What region of the US is NYC in?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
Whew, I thought you were saying NYC is New England.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Wrong Coast region
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Fun Facts
Chicago is called “The Windy City” not because there’s a lot of wind there; a journalist coined the phrase in reference to Chicagoans being long-winded in praising their city.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
So would you, if this was your idea of a hot dog
DAMN YOU NARROW VIEW!!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
A New York journalist at that!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of people get really prickly about their state name being mispronounced
Nevada is a big one for that. It was a news story when George W. Bush (in his first term) mispronounced it!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
how do you mispronounce Nevada?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Harshly
Ne Va Da
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
you say Nevahda, i say Nevayda….
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Lars says hookers…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Not anymore. Have you seen the state that Reno is in? It has like 4 Casinos open.
Also, you know what the say about Reno?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
The biggest little city in america… but umm no, i used to go up there for football camp, it was torture
They say that Reno is so close to hell that you can see Sparks.
I go almost yearly, as I have a grandma, 6 aunts/uncles, 15 cousins and 22 second cousins in the area.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
there’s a scary back-story there, somewhere
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Well to be truthful, he says Mustang Ranch
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
You say that like it is a bad thing.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_pronounce_Nevada
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
When people mispronounce it, it’s usually because they pronounce the first a wrong – they say it as, “ahhhh,” like when you open your mouth for the dentist.
Actually, I think that’s the correct way to say it in Spanish. But that’s not how people from Nevada pronounce the name of the state, so.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
SANAZAY!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Yeah, when I first got the eastcoast my friends would ask me if I ever been to Novato. I was like why does everyone know about Novato? Then I realized what was happening.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Colorado seems to confuse a lot of people, too. Drives my grandmother crazy, as it’s her home state.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
People also like to put a e on the end of Oregon
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Is he wearing belted dad jeans with that polo and coat?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Shirt tucked in of course
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
BUT AROUND DA HORNZ!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
I still have some patience on Bert. I recognize there is sizable faction of voters that don’t want a pitcher without 300 wins and look at elite relievers as freaks with no place in the hall. Raines is the guy I am getting irked about when compared to the amount of Morriss votes. In the last 30-40 years there have been scads of dozens of guys with 3-4 years like Morrris. Not so for Raines. In the last 30-40 year there have been a handful like him.
As for the 5 blank ballots I am ok with that. They don’t think these guys are quiet good enough ( I am small Hall guy) but I would like to see them stand up and explain their stance on Raines. They want to make statement, and the wanted to by casting blanks, then tell us why you think the most unique guy on the ballot is not worthy.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
It seems like so much of the Raines argument is “HE WASN’T AS GOOD AS RICKEY HENDERSON!”
And yeah, no he wasn’t, but SINCE WHEN WAS RICKEY HENDERSON THE IN/OUT LINE???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I don’t think the writers appreciate how great of a ballplayer Rickey was. They just voted him in for stolen bases.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Rickey = Awesome.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
it’s like our discussions over Velez, Lewis, etc—a bunch of guys all a cut below
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
i can get your stance on Blyleven. I don’t agree with it but I get it. I will be intrested in seeing your rational on Raines. Whom do you compare him with Rickey Henderson , Lou Brock, who else?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Comparing Raines to Brock is ridiculously favorable – to Raines.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yes, but seriously who else had the table setting ablities he had and yet had enough power to hart hart of the order on some squads? He realy is the Anti Jack Morriss.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
maybe Joe Morgan?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
it’s tough to compare—across era’s, fielding, power. They were similar and dissimilar. Brock’s got the post-season, though.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
That’s what era-adjusted stats are for! And they say that Raines is a better player – higher OPS+.
By the way, not as many SB as Brock, but he stole them at a much better rate.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
which is also why statz can be pretty much useless depending on what the intent is
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Because they don’t agree with you?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get it. Stats are useless because you can’t compare them across eras unless you use the stats that can actually do that?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
the first thing you learn in a statistics course is that they can be used or created in a way that supports any case or cause that a person would like. I’ve done it many times.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Then due it know! On command!
Also, these stats aren’t being created, they are common and aren’t being warp in anyway.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
Due it know? Man….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks Howie! I was hoping no one would notice!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I was hoping know won would knowtice.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, 71% of all people know that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
All of the stats used for baseball arguments have very clear and well known formulas behind them. If you have an issue with a stat you can explain why. You can’t just say that stats lie.
Seriously, you can not just skew these stats to make your point. (Unless you’re using dumb splits or a small sample size.)
it’s not the numbers themselves, it’s what they represent, how they’re used that can be misleading.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
So in what misleading way are they being used?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Except runs and rbis, right? THOSE stats are ok.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
But those don’t lie b/c the scorers scoring isn’t arbitrary!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
They're okay, but
The most reliable stat of all is the tingling feel Truly Special players give me deep down in my scrotum.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Anything that I feel deep down in my scrotum tends to be the most reliable.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I was under the impression that you were a eunuch. Though guess a eunuchs would still have a scrotum.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
We wouldn’t be able to grow his failbeard if he was a eunuch.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Lars is right about that.
Still… I sometime wish I could grow it on my own.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
It’d be nice not to have to take turns slathering rogaine on your chin.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
You need all the help you can get with that! It is barely there as it is.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT? YOU MEAN THOSE STATS IN A MARCHING BAND?
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
They are the least derivative.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
at least someone is listening
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome
That’s the only explanation.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
And Brock played in a much tougher to hit era ( higher mounds, Marchial, Kofax, Gibson etc roamed the diamonds). At the moment I am looking for names to give context to just how good he was be comparing similar skill sets and then names similar numbers. Compare the two groups and see how little the over lap he really was a very special player. For example I loved Bobby Bonds but Raines career out shined him. Rains played at a higher level for longer.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Someone suggested that the players who played with the HOF nominee vote.
I think that person should be elected King Of The Nighttime World.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
The Hall of Fame results broke Baseball Think Factory :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I love them :(
Where else can you read multiple thousand post arguments about Ichiro in the HOF??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I was going to say MCC, but 90% of our multiple thousand posts would have nothing to do with baseball.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I got an accoustic guitar for xmas. Haven’t played since HS & that was very amateur hour stuff on an electric. Best pick to get for learning how to play?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I do not use a pick when playing acoustic
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Would that be the best way to learn?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
IMO, it is. You get accustomed to using all of the fingers on your pick hand if you learn that way from the beginning.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Which pick? Whatever feels good to you. If you’re interested in a more folksy style, don’t use one (like lars says below). I use the same picks regardless of guitar (some green torex pick, i think)
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I wish Scott Pilgrim 6 would just hurry up and come out.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
TWITTER RUMORS
Source: Yankees, Red Sox jockeying for Bocock acquisition. Orioles “laying in the weeds.”
Rumor: Nationals to claim Bocock, then flip him to the Yankees for Jesus Montero “and others.”
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Jan 6, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
INTRIGUE!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
haha—fighting over Giants scraps
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
This guy always has the best rumors:
http://twitter.com/CharlieBurkNYC
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
In case people haven’t figured out what the source was…
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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MORE RUMORS!
Source: Bocock’s agent has hired a temp to screen the incoming calls. It’s obvious why he was on the 40-man roster for so long.
Clarification: It’s obvious why Bocock was on the 40-man for so long. The temp is still on the 40-man because he can lay down a mean bunt.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Upside
Jeff Bagwell is probably the only first-year guy who gets a ton of support in 2011, so hopefully some of the deserving folk will do better next time.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Lookout Landings twitter is not bitter about the Dawson selection at all
Edgar reached base 62 more times than Dawson in 2097 fewer plate appearances
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Dawson ended up with a career slash line of .279/.323/.482 and a career OPS+ of 119. In comparison, Will Clark ended up with a slash line of .303/.384/.497 and a career OPS+ of 137. Dawson had speed and stole a good amount of bases, and there might be other factors, but still, as others have said, Will should’ve definitely gotten more votes to at least stay on the ballot…
Dawson vs. Raines
Dawson .279/.323/.482 and a career OPS+ of 119. Raines .294/.385/.425 and a career OPS+ of 123. Plus, Raines stole over 800 bases.
I’m really starting to wonder if there could be a push to start an alternative Hall of Fame sometime in the next decade…
FIND ME THE MONEY!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Not an OFFICIAL alternative
but you might find this interesting.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I agree—next door to the one with Ruth, Aaron, Mays, etc
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
So you’re pretty much an extreme, Small Hall, inner circle players only guy. Okay.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
iyam
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
You're a Hall-of-Immortal kind of person?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Who wants to live forever?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
iyam
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Just wondering, but who would be the absolute worst player in your HOF?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Ray Schalk
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You realize, though, that that simply isn’t what the real HoF is?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
when I went to the HOF, that’s how I came away feeling. And when Sutton came up for election, I was, like, NO WAY!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
So all of this just comes down to how you feel, and not what you actually think about the things people actually did and the way things actually are?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
You came away feeling that there were too many non-Immortals in the Hall or that everyone in there was an inner circle player?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I came away feeling that the members should be famous for some over-arching contribution to the game, and/or so utterly great that there would be no discussion necessary.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I guess that's fair
I don’t begrudge you for being a Small Hall guy
But your opinions should be consistent (as in, if you think Brock is a slam dunk inner circle guy, then you should give Raines more of a look). And you should still realize that the Hall, as it is, is simply not set up that way.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I never made that claim about Brock…but he was the most famous of his time for stealing bases, he and Wills. Wait, what about Maury Wills?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Maury Wills is a hugely inferior player to both Raines and Brock.
And you implied that Brock was a HoFer for you and your standards seem to be as such, so I assumed.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
he is in the Hall, that’s all.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
He is signature player of his time, but I don’t think he is in the hall.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Wills only had 2 seaons were his SLg was higher than his OBP. Again we have player who can only match some of Raines numbers for part of a time but is totaly lacking in other areas in Raines game.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
check out the rosters of old NY Giants teams
Half their lineups made it to the HOF. Including guys who were hardly more than good, let alone all-time great.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
the 1930’s was so very different than now.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they didn’t have all these damned coloreds and foreigners.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
yeah, the pool was small, and the media was very different, too.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
BREADLINES!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Well, there isn't a TV show named after Edgar so...
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 6, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Poor indeed.
-$300/month.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 6, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
One good thing
It looks unlikely DONNIE BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! will ever make it in.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sandy Koufax?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Sandy Koufax’s peak was so much better than Mattingly’s that it’s not even worth discussing.
Will Clark was better than Mattingly, and he didn’t even get 5% his first year.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
age-old question...
…why does my screen bounce every time someone posts a new message? Is there a way to refresh without changing the from post I’m reading?
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from the
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
use C, space and X instead of Z. C will take you to the next comment and space will take you back one comment (both don’t “erasre” the new status of the comment.) X marks the comment as read.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
I mean mean K instead of space.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, R opens the reply box for you.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
secret keystrokes of the SBN
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
ck, like Louis C.K.?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Sandy Koufax
I think he holds the key to our arguments. Such a short great career. He was famous, though, for sure.
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So is Mark McGuire. Hmm, I don’t like him as an HOF’er because he was so one-dimensional, but man is he famous.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the one-dimensional McGwire argument is a joke
He had a .394 career OBP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
BUT ITS B/C NO 1 WANTED TO PITCH TO HIM. IT WAS NT A TALENT!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
plus, never heard that OBP was much of a HOF criteria
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
It should be more of one. No other single mainstream statistic correlates more directly with run production than OBP.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
well, there’s always the actual Runs and RBI stats
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Which judge a team and not a individual.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
yawn
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus christ
how is that concept so difficult to understand? Don’t you realize that it’s possible that there’s a better way to calculate offense??? AHHHHHHHH WHY ARE PEOPLE SO WILLFULLY IGNORANT AHHHHH
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For some, the difference between a result and a process is unfathomable.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
results prove or disprove a process, so I’d say that results are pretty damn important.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Right. And lots of great hitters put up low RBI numbers on sucky teams. Pretty strong evidence.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I disagree (of course). Great hitters will put up good or great numbers regardless of the team they play on. Good hitters are more team-dependent.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Their RBI and R numbers will still be significantly depressed by playing on a crappy team.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
For the 100th time though, how do you reconcile Bonds’ strong RBI numbers when on good hitting teams, and his lower RBI numbers when hitting BETTER on worse hitting teams subsequently?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Barry Bonds, 2007: .276 / .480 / .565, 28 HR, 66 RBIs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Barry Bonds, 1991: .292 / .410 / 514, 25 HR, 116 RBIs.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
AND THAT IS THE FUCKING CASE CLOSED
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
old comment but
the answer is simple:
AVG 276 = 66 RBI
AVG 292 = 116 RBI
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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
Chew on this.
Pablo on the Yankees (as catcher). How many more RBI’s and Runs would he have.
Probably 20-30
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
ahh, hidden value. Trade Panda to the Yanks!
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but the result measures a process that requires multiple contributions to work. When you’re talking about a single person, you have to be able to isolate their individual contribution to tell how much they actually contributed to the result. Or how much they could have contributed to another hypothetical result with a different supporting cast.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
that’s what first hand evaluation is for. Statistics can be supportive.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t see what that point has to do with this.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
But no one will ever tell you stats are everything. Thats why we lover Roger, Brute, Greg and Baron. They tellz us WAT TEH EYEZ SEE
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
and they are? are they in the hall of fame? i’m lost
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Those people are all posters on this site who do scouting journalism as a job or hobby.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Posters here who go to minor league games so we have a better idea of the prospects than just STATZ.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
are those names their user names on this site?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Roger, BruteSentiment, BaronVonCurrentEvents, I forgot greg’s full name, I think there are numbers at the end
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
the Baron-ess is one of our insiders? a college kid in a marching band?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
sorry, Ms VCE, I’m not trying to pick on you :)
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I’m laughing at the entire thing because the fine posters here shoved it back down your throat. Keep flopping around in your kiddie pool of disbelief.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 6, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Who also happens to write for MILB.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
SHE’S DATING A 21-YEAR-OLD!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, that's like my wife and I when we met!
I was 21, she was 25.
Clearly, it’s a good combination.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
She has worked for SF Dugout, interviewed more Giants prospects than you’ve probably heard of and wrote several columns for MiLB.com lastyear.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Sure, but has she ever written anything?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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HOW MANY RBIS DOES SHE HAVE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
hey, stop hijacking my post!
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Now apologize to the woman for attempting to trivialize her credentials.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
you might want to rephrase that. I doubt he understands such big words.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
anybody can write anything and post in anywhere these days—does not make for credibility by definition.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Good
I look forward to your next article on MiLB.com
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
a quick search on “baronvoncurrentevents” turns up nothing other than MCC posts
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Because that’s not her real name.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
Are you really this stupid?
She uses her real name on her articles.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
ProTip
Paid journalists rarely use their nerd site usernames for their byline.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
LOL
She uses her actual name when she rights, genius!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I thought these were our real names
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
If these were our real names, I would have known you were a dude.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Now admit you were wrong and apologize.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
She uses her actual name when she wrongs, too.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Her Real name is of course
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Baron Wayne
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Or is it Baron Clark?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Felicia de Current Events
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions
I love it when I make dumb spelling errors when criticizing someone else’s intelligence. Really helps my case.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Why haven’t you been hired by the official site of Minor League Baseball yet then?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
B/C HE WOULD REVOLUTIONIZE MILB.COM STATZ LIKE CHE REVOLUTIONIZED CUBA.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
don’t know what that means, but still had to laugh, thank you
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
You really don’t know how Che, Cuba and revolutionize relate to each other?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
not with BaronVonCurrentEvents is interjected
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Please tell me how I can get MiLB.com to pay me. I’m struggling this month.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
You sounds like an ass, because she’s actually doing this professionally part-time while she studies to be able to do it professionally full-time. She’s not some psycho blogspot poster. She has actual credentials.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:13 PM PST up reply actions
now, really, how would I know the difference based on this site?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Because we told you and you still acted like an ass.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Also, her sig has links to her milb.com notebooks.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Because it’s fairly widely known on this site and anybody who reads this site has a pretty high chance of knowing that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
this is hilarious; the mccoven’s taking themselves oh-so seriously
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
BAN ME NOW
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
OK
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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I hate it when people sign comments on the internet. WE KNOW WHAT YOUR FUCKING NAME IS BITCH!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
My dad used to sign his IMs before the dialogue was closed.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like I always start the sub thread that leads to a banning.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
If you really want us to.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
LOL LOOK AT ME ATTEMPT TO DEFLECT THE FACT THAT I AM WRONG AND REFUSE TO ADMIT IT!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I would if I could find an unbiased source of said cred’s
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
You could actually go to sfdugout.com or check out some of her MiLB articles.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
TWSS?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
by daveinexile on Jan 6, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec’d
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
Only her name all over a 21-year-old.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
lol I missed all the fun
You guys are A+
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 6, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing that wasn’t insulted was your nationality. You still have that!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I’m a talentless cradle-robbing beaner hack with no credibility, I suppose.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 6, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I’m also old! And not truly female. Cos there are no girls on the internet.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 6, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
DAMN MEXICANS
LEARN ENGLISH!!!!! AND GO BACK TO SPAIN!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I bet you’re not even a Baron.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
rats
I’ve been found out.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 6, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions
You have a talent for band-playing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
And robbing the cradle.
OMG FEMALE WALRUSMAN!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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She’s just saving up for a van.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Tell me then how many HRs, RBIs, and Runs would Bonds have in the following lineup:
CF-Velez
RF-Ort,
3B- Feliz
LF- Bonds
C- Molina,
SS-Betancourt
1B-Niekro
2B- Burris
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hint: The Runs and RBI total would be very, very close to his HR total.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
those combo’s are usually the result of super high strikeouts, like Rob Deer.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
You are wrong about RBIs
Thought experiment. Player X is a very good hitter who gets 600 ABs a year with a .333 BA and 30 HRs. In year 1, his team-mates are very good at getting on base and he has 200 ABs with a (single) runner in scoring position. He has no other ABs with a runner on base. In these ABs he hits the same .333 that he hits every year. He garners 66 RBI from hits in these situations and an additional 30 for driving himself in on HR. He finishes the year with 96 RBI.
During the off-season, X is traded to a terrible offensive team whose players are abysmal at getting on base. He only gets 150 ABs with a (single) runner in scoring position (25% percent worse!). He again has no other ABs with runners on base. Just like every year, he hits 30 HRs and gets 200 hits in 600 ABs. But now, instead of driving in 66 runners that are not himself, he only drives in 50. He finishes the year with 80 RBI instead of 96.
I ask you, what is the only difference between those two seasons?
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
The first one is a hall of fame worthy performance and the second one isn’t.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
MUUUUUUUUCH better.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Which are dependent on a players’ teammates.
Of course, I’m sure you also realize that McGwire wasn’t exactly a slouch in the RBI department.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
going by RBIs
McGwire was almost the same player as Barry. McGwire averaged about 88 RBIs a year, Bonds 91.
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yer burying yerself
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
This is purposely vague so that you do not have to answer. Which is just as well, because even you know you are incorrect.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
WILLFULL IGNORANCE IS FUN LARS
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Also, it gives him the last word. Which is always fun to have.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I thought greatgiantfan was a girl.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure he’s a dude.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Huh. I guess Brad is a dude’s name.
I wonder who I’m thinking of.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
jponry
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
No, that’s not the guy.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Goofus
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
sfgiantsgirl
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I think your thinking of lagiantsfan or something, either way she has a pic of her self as a avatar.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
ok, you take McGuire; I’ll take Bonds in every scenario, based on any skill.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
JUST IN
NATIONALS AGREE TO DUMP STRASBERG FOR BOCOCK
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twss
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
You came out supporting RBI. By RBI, Bonds and McGwire are virtually the same. To take the stance you’re taking now, you really kind of have to not support RBI.
So which is it?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Three possibilities here
1) Sarchasm
2) Reading comprehension of a four year old
3) Deliberately misreading my argument
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I vote this one
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people here are pretty good
at avoiding the sarchasm, but certainly don’t always realize they’re stumbling into a troll den.
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by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone come up with a stat that’s something like RBI equivalence? What I’m thinking of is somehow taking the average number of opportunities to drive in runs and calculating how many player would have. The tricky part would be to figure out how to weigh the different opportunities when outs and runners on base are taken into consideration, because just including runners in “scoring position” wouldn’t be enough. After all, “scoring position” is very different to Ryan Howard than it is to Neifi Perez.
Anyway, I’m just curious if there is anything out there that would help compare players’ true abilities to drive in runs regardless of the players around them…
They’ve got it on baseball-reference under Game Logs, I think
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I just looked at Garrett Jones on there. In 358 ABs, he had 184 runners on base and drove in 44 runs. The average major leaguer with 358 ABs would’ve had 225 runners on base (22% more) and would’ve driven in 40 runs. Extrapolated, Jones would’ve driven in around 54 runs with the average number of runners on base.
Jones had .51 runners on base per plate appearance, while the average hitter had .63 runners on base. Mark Teixeira had .72 runners on base per plate appearance. That would’ve given Jones 62 RBI, or almost 50% more than he had.
So yeah, the team (and batting position) matter very much!
Now I’m basically talking to myself online, but this stuff is really interesting to me. Take Teixeira’s ratio of runners on base, apply them to Sandoval, and Panda would’ve driven in around 103 runs last year instead of 90.
And I’ve mistakenly been saying ABs, when it’s PAs…
Yeah, it definitely sort of shows off just how context dependent RBI really are
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It seems a very simple way to see how proficient a hitter is would be to just divide RBI by runners on base (although as explained below this doesn’t take into account which base they were on). In one of his great seasons, Manny had an “RBI average” of around .290. Last year Bengie would’ve come in at .250. Randy Winn? Only .160!
what about the quality of the opportunity? Factors such as point in the game (inning), score at the time (managers strategy), next batter up, health (was the batter nursing an injury at the time?), and other contextual determinants.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Do you want to consider those for every single RBI a player gets??
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Yeah, that’s probably just too much. You just have to figure that opportunities like that will even out over time, although players on better teams could very well come up with more runners on second and third base, and I would like to see some sort of weighting for this…
so use a running summ or Tango’s Run Expancancy by 24 base/out states for the runners on base durring a players P.A. and divied the summ but RBIs??
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Have you looked into wOBA?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
I just started learning about it by reading The Book by Tango and others. I’ve resisted stats like this for a while even after knowing they were valuable, probably because when I played I was an aggressive hitter and was told that was a good thing. At first I thought the focus on OBP was just revenge by guys who could walk but couldn’t hit for any power when they played, but now I realize just how important it is. Sometimes I do still thinking that slugging is underrated, though…
I hear you. I still can’t tell at as quickly what a players wOBA means compared the rest of his game but it does answer some of whI think you are looking for. Though I to would like to see and easier way to break down RBI/P.A’s with runners on base.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
At least wOBA is scaled so a good wOBA would be similar to a good OBP, but yeah, with a lot of the advanced stats I can’t tell just glancing at them whether they’re good or not…
It just comes with use. I remind myself it took decades of glanceing at SLG and AVg to get ISO. Before Innings played became availible Games X 4 and compare to AB ( or P.A’s) to a estimate how much a playe stayed on teh diamond etc.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
OBP is arguable the single best stat to judge a hitter by. ( Not counting OPS, b/c that’s two stats. )
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
fail
you forgot OBS
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by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve never heard a llama puke, but I’m pretty sure they do.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
But do the writers use puke to vote for the Hall of Llamas?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
LOLD
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Phone are "meh" in general
I barely use the BlackBerry Curve that my work gave me.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I was you up until 2 weeks ago. Working Assets offered me a free Blackberry Curve with basically no additional contract, so I gave in.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Nah, my younger brothers don’t have smart phones yet. Although, I’m not quite sure if one of them even knows how to turn his on.
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I don't know if I want one.
I don’t care about social apps and I don’t want to get work emails everywhere I go. If I get a good deal on a contract it would be pretty neat to read MCC while on the toilet.
I’m cheap, mostly. The data fee on the new phones is pretty crazy. I think it’s $30 per month just for the data with AT&T.
That is kind of a hit to take. The free phone offer coincided with me finishing paying off my automobile, so it was kind of an indulgence as well.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
We need to buy a car. Which means that, with my 30th birthday, I’m finally going to have to get a license.
LOL JCB9.
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Are you joking?
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Nope!
In high school, I lived with my grandmother and she didn’t want me to get a license because it would raise her insurance rates to have a teenage driver in the house.
Then I was really, really poor for two years.
Then I lived in New York for three years.
Then I spent a year in Amherst, MA, and started to learn but didn’t finish before we moved.
Then we were in Chicago, didn’t need my wife’s car, and sold it.
Then I lived in Oakland for 2 1/2 years and we had neither a car nor the need for one.
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Oh boy. Are you starting totally from scratch, or have you ever practiced driving?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I had a learner’s permit once, several years ago, but we moved and got rid of our car before I got the actual license.
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If I ever got an smartphone I would tether my wireless internet from it. That basically takes the cost away.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
You mean like hopping on your LAN at home? My dad can do that with his iPhone but doesn’t it kind of defeat the purpose of a smart phone if you can’t use it away from your house?
No, I have wireless 3g internet for my laptop. You can get the Tethering option for 60 bucks same price as the wireless internet.
basically you use the smart phone as a modem to connect to the 3G network. The package also includes the data plan, but not texting.
OT: Texting is recognized as a word yet.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
is the performance
as good as a modem? I thought about tethering but chickened out when I couldn’t verify if AT&T phones would connect at the same speeds as their USB modems.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 6, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I was told typical DSL is faster than 3G.
But I can’t vouch for the genius of the Mac Genius that told me that.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
3G seems slower to me, but my perception has often deceived me.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I mean
is using the phone, rather than an aircard/cellular dedicated modem, via tethering slower?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 8, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
If you play by the rules, it costs more to do that. If you don’t you risk getting caught.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
bullshit sprint
took this service away from me.
Of course, it was free, and they never claimed they would give to me… but to grant it “accidentally” and then take it away is like Sabean levels of cruel.
And also, I think your bandwidth on 3G is not the same as dsl/cable.
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Its not but I can use it anywhere. I am thinking about going onto Clear, a wireless internet company that offers internet throughout the city.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
My experience was they had great coaster service. The product was fine but sometimes not reliable ( Hey newer deployed systems are that way) and when it came time to drop them ( Job issues, imagine that in this time) they were bastards. I would be very careful about not getting back doored into a claimed long term contract.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
It’s really convenient to have Googlemaps on a phone. Reading email and surfing the net while at the BMV are nice, too.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
It is unbelievably convenient to have Googlemaps on my phone.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. And Google Navigation. As someone who, without fail, gets lost on the freeway whenever I’m trying to drive home from HP Pavilion or Valley Fair, having something that tells me where I am and where to go is a lifesaver.
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I don't have one
I only got a cell phone in 2005-2006 or so, because my wife made me.
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I have a phone that is 3G compatible, but I don’t have a data plan for it.
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ATT? I only ask b/c I bummed a blackberry of my dad when one of phones broke but ATT said NO NEED DATA PLAN!
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I bought an unlocked Samsung Propel off of eBay and stuck my SIM car into it.
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I thought
you were a smart phone
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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After reading some of our recent “how old are you” threads, I think that cell phone is probably older than some of the people who post here.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. I just bum old phones off people who upgrade and changed sim cards. I am not to be trusted with portable technology of value.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I used this one
last year when I was between free phone credit
Now I have a blackberry, which was supercool when I got free tethering and now just bugs me that it’s not an iphone
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
These phones actually get the best reception b/c they are way more powerful
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
my phone is 6 and it was free when I first got it.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis. To pass the time during the offseason I decided to try my hand at blogging about photography and music.
Those are awesome. My 88 year old grandpa got one of these a few weeks ago, and it’s really made life easier for him.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Actually, his is more complicated. It does have numbers on it.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
RT @Fixodent @RotoRueterzGpaps The new dentures rule!!1
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I’M POOPIN AND IT IS TAKING FOREVER!!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Been there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
This needs more green.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
It was actually a transcript of the followup tweet.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 1:19 PM PST up reply actions
In that case someone should suggest Mexico for his next vacation.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of poop!
http://www.boingboing.net/2009/12/30/science-question-fro-4.html
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I wanted to get one for my grandmother, but she looked at it and called it stupid.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 6, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
“True” hall of famers use this type of phone.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
That phone is not for me
I can’t be making tough decisions like that.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 6, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
If Lincecum had that phone, it would have a STFD! button.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
hehe and he would ay High instead Hi!
LOLO I iz so funny with teh weed jokes
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
I found Timmy's Topps card!
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 6, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, Brandon Puffer
On September 13, 2008, Puffer was arrested after the RoughRiders playoff game against the Travelers for burglary of a habitation with then intent to commit a felony (sexual assault). If convicted, Puffer faces up to 99 years in jail and a $10,000 fine1.
On Thursday July 2, 2009, Brandon Duane Puffer was found guilty of aforementioned charges in a Collin county courtroom and sentenced to 5 years in the Huntsville, Tx prison.
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Phone would have a lighter accessory.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Would he name it the Howry?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Smart Phone by Armando!
“It does it’s job”
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
'armando did his job' GIS result
Don’t do that search, though, if you’re not a fan of penises.
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WTF
http://dvice.com/archives/2009/07/lighter-phone-m.php
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if you can play Simon on that phone.
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by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite Hawk moment was him watching Will Clark’s grand slam in the 1989 NLCS.
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by 49er16 on Jan 6, 2010 12:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
whee
My dad looked into ticket prices for FSU baseball: you can season tickets in the bleachers from $65. Cool!
Also of note: I was wondering the other day of Tallahassee’s other university, Florida A&M has a baseball team – my parents didn’t know. I checked B-R, and it turns out they’ve produced four Major Leaguers:
Vince Coleman
Andre Dawson
Marquis Grissom
Hal McRae
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I forgot that Tallahassee has a really kick ass local College baseball program. I’m used to OSU’s, which is still basically an afterthought, despite the size of the school and the athletic program.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
HALL OF FAMER ANDRE DAWSON YOU MEAN
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
THE FOOTBALL PLAYER???
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
This hall of fame shit is getting boring....
Did the Cardinals bid against themselves for Holliday?
No one here gets out alive.
woah, just realized hitting shift is the same as hitting z
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
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LOL THIS THREAD
I’m looking forward to how quickly we can get to 5000 posts on Opening Day.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
I think last year we had two posts done before the first inning was over
It was like ten posts total for the whole game
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
wow
Apparently, Andre Dawson now has the lowest OBP of any outfielder in the Hall of Fame – by a 20 point margin.
Previous record holder: Lou Brock.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
THATS BECASUE HE WAS GETTIN THE RBIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I know this is sarcasm, but if you get an RBI, your OBP isn’t affected negetively if you make an out. I know you don’t get the RBI if you ground into a DP, but is there any way your OBP can go down if you get an RBI.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 6, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
a “all or bust” mentality at the plate.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
A blog post the McCoven can get behind
TWSS
http://perpetualpost.com/?p=4312
Randy Johnson and The Sexual Innuendo All Stars
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Thats What She Said
or
That What She Mumbled?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Jan 6, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Those names have got to be made up.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 6, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, nobody would name their kid Dick Pole.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 6, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get it.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Johnny Dickshot is my favorite.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I take that back. Cannonball Titcomb is my favorite.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I like Butts Wagner
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
wow
I should have done a I like “Big” Butts Wagner and I can’t not lie, what a missed RBI opportunity
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
OT -- did anyone read this post from AN?
Just fucking fantastic.
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2010/1/5/1235255/as-2010-lineup-hr-vs-2b-and-the
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Today's Real Dilemma
ok, I’ve got a niece and nephew, 8-yearold twins, whose birthday is coming up. I have three gifts—who gets what? I was figuring one gift each, and one to share.
gift 1—Zany Balloon and Creatures Kit
gift 2—Friction Powered Micro Flipover Car
gift 3—Pickup Sticks & Jacks ’N Ball
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
I think you should get them an apology.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
yer right; they’re seven, not eight.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well, there is that
But the bigger issue is that they share your DNA.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
i wouldn’t be so sure of that
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
You are correct
But I won’t get into the morals of your brother or sister.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 6, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
sister, but what would be the morals issue?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 6, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
Dali LLama - a poem by Grant's boss
“I like cows,” said the Dali Llama..
“I like moose!” said the inquisitive hunchback..
“That’s ‘Meese’, you jackass!” replied the Dali Llama
“No it’s NOT!!!” said the hunchback..
The end
by Grant's boss is a smelly dumbass on Jan 6, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
do you work
in an insane asylum?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
Oddly enough, my boss’s wife does. It explains a ton.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 6, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
So does a scale.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Grant....
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Yes.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
Rec'd
And fake user-name?
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
It’s a real username.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 6, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
Man
Did MCC just break the interwebz again?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Jim Callis : Sell on Tim Alderson
Steve (Pittsburgh)
Buy or sell on Tim Alderson?
Jim Callis
(2:58 PM)
Sell.
Jeff (Indianapolis)
What’s your opinion on Tim Alderson being a sell?
Jim Callis
(3:10 PM)
His stuff was down last year and I don’t see him as a major contributor to a contender.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
BRAVO re Edgar Martinez, Grant
You are perfectly right on everything you said about him (actual deep psychological translation: I already thought everything you said about him).
Baseball has a DH whether we like it or not (I don’t happen to like it a bit), and now over 25 years into it, we probably can’t think of it as experimental or probationary or a teenage phase anymore. (Damn.) So it is simply wrong not to admit to the HoF the best DH ever.
I would have voted for him and Blyleven, written in Pete Rose’s name on the other 8 blank lines and happily sent in my ballot.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
It’s too late now, but I think a better idea would have been to add a DH, but put a limit for number of games played there by a single player. Say, 60 games. That would still help the offense, and save fans from watching Randy Johnson trying to swing a bat, but all players would still have to be able to play a position, and would spend most of the season at that position.
I was promised lasagna.
Hmmm.. that does make the DH a bit more palatable, but I’m still a supporter of Rule 1.01.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 7, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I guess
But I see a lot the logic against it. When the rules were written, pitchers could hit. Maybe not quite as good as position players, but they could still hit. For 120 years now, they’ve been declining (evidence of how much harder it is to play today – players who don’t focus on hitting just can’t keep up with the rest of the pack like the did in the 1900’s).
When the baseball gods decided that pitchers should hit, they did not have a .125/.159/.167 line in mind.
I was promised lasagna.
This happens because coaches stop letting pitchers hit after high school. The best all-around baseball players in high school are typically pitchers.
I think that if they were not forced to abandon hitting in college or once they are signed and placed in the minors, they would be better hitters at the major league level.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 8, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but the do it so they can spend more time and effort working on pitching. Because pitching today takes a lot more work than it used to.
I was promised lasagna.
I don't think I buy that
4 AB’s a game and adding a round of batting practice to their off-day schedules will not prevent anyone from working on their pitching.
The reason they stop letting pitcher’s hit after high school is to protect the team’s investment. I believe economics has more to do with this than time or effort.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 8, 2010 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the (mock) Edgar vote
I’m new to the MC, but appreciate the thoughtfulness represented by this post and the comments on it. I’m a Mariners fan and Edgar is my favorite player all-time, so of course I think he should be in. It’s good to know it’s not just us homers that support him. And also good to see that not everyone in the Giants’ blogosphere would keep Edgar out solely due to the DH thing.
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