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Is Tim Lincecum the best 10th overall draft selection in baseball history? 

I went back over each of the draft picks and the only one that is worthy of argument is Mark McGwire.  Here are some notable career achievements from each player.

 

Lincecum: (2 Full Seasons)

  • 2-time NL All-Star (2008 & 2009)
  • 2-time NL Cy Young Award Winner (2008 & 2009)
  • NL Winning Percentage Leader (2008)
  • 2-time NL Strikeouts Leader (2008 & 2009)
  • NL Complete Games Leader (2009)
  • NL Shutouts Leader (2009)
  • 15 Wins Seasons: 2 (2008 & 2009)
  • 200 Innings Pitched Seasons: 2 (2008 & 2009)
  • 200 Strikeouts Seasons: 2 (2008 & 2009)
  •  

    McGwire: (17 Full Seasons)

  • 1987 AL Rookie of the Year Award
  • 1987 Topps All-Star Rookie Team
  • 12-time All-Star (1987-1992 & 1995-2000)
  • AL Gold Glove Winner (1990)
  • 3-time Silver Slugger Award Winner (1992/AL, 1996/AL & 1998/NL)
  • 2-time League On-Base Percentage Leader (1996/AL & 1998/NL)
  • 4-time League Slugging Percentage Leader (1987/AL, 1992/AL, 1996/AL & 1998/NL)
  • 2-time League OPS leader (1996/AL & 1998/NL)
  • 4-time League Home Runs Leader (1987/AL, 1996/AL, 1998/NL & 1999/NL)
  • NL RBI Leader (1999)
  • 2-time League Bases on Balls Leader (1990/AL & 1998/NL)
  • 20-Home Run Seasons: 13 (1987-1992 & 1995-2001)
  • 30-Home Run Seasons: 11 (1987-1990, 1992 & 1995-2000)
  • 40-Home Run Seasons: 6 (1987, 1992 & 1996-1999)
  • 50-Home Run Seasons: 4 (1996-1999)
  • 60-Home Run Seasons: 2 (1998 & 1999)
  • 70-Home Run Seasons: 1 (1998)
  • 100 RBI Seasons: 7 (1987, 1990, 1992 & 1996-1999)
  • 100 Runs Scored Seasons: 3 (1996, 1998 & 1999)
  • Won a World Series
  •  

    Thought it would make for an interesting discussion. 

    Other discussion starters include is Lincecum the best draft pick in Giants History? 

    Is Lincecum the greatest player in Baseball History?

    If Lincecum used his Fastball to reverse the rotation of the earth and went back in time to face Babe Ruth would he strike him out with a Fastball, Curve, Change-Up, or Slider?

    What would happen if Lincecum faced Bonds?  Would we even still exist to discuss such a possibility? 

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    Bonds easy. Timmy has only played 2 years. Thats not even a comparison. Bonds is maybe the best player ever.

    #1 threat to America: Pandas
    Also, Tim Lincecum
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    by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 4, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

    He Is Talking About Watching A Bonds AB Against Lincecum

    Even now with Barry out of baseball for two years I would pay big bucks to see a games worth of these.

    by giantsrainman on Jan 4, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

    Ya that would be pretty good

    #1 threat to America: Pandas
    Also, Tim Lincecum
    Official McPokeMaster

    by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 4, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

    It would be great. BLB would win though, he’s to smart; I’d bet he could figure Tim out.

    Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

    by cain1rstballothof on Jan 4, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

    In a couple ABs, yeah. I say first AB, Barry strikes out. After that, who knows?

    by quincy0191 on Jan 4, 2010 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

    Any chance Bonds hits a homer? i’d say given a few at bats i’d say yes

    by PiKAgiant on Jan 4, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

    Given one a bat, yes, there is chance.

    #1 threat to America: Pandas
    Also, Tim Lincecum
    Official McPokeMaster

    by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 4, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

    That’s all it will be… A CHANCE

    by PiKAgiant on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

    are you saying there is a chance?

    by sfoakbay on Jan 4, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

    That said, Barry’s also the answer to who is the Giants greatest draft pick of all time… if you’re just talking about the picking and not the signing, anyway.

    My Bucardo is better than yours.

    A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

    by Roger on Jan 5, 2010 4:37 AM PST up reply actions  

    And lincecum uses drugs

    Bonds is “clearly” the winner!

    I have finally accepted the fact that I will never win a McCoven award.

    by The Thrill on Jan 4, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

    Barry would spank Timmy on the bottom.

    Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

    by satyricrash on Jan 4, 2010 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

    "nice try kid"

    Then Barry would give him a coke and they’d both laugh and high-five.

    by Into the Void on Jan 4, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

    Hands-down McGwire. The Topps Rookie team selection seals it.

    Also, I once saw his brother throw a pass into the back of the center’s head when he was QB for the Seahawks.

    just a sambple of carbon-based wastage

    by Gaahl on Jan 4, 2010 4:01 PM PST reply actions  

    Puts Him in Pretty Rare Company

    with the likes of other all time greats like the “half Asian full sensation” Travis Ishikawa. Seriously though what Lincecum has done in 2 seasons is pretty ridiculous.

    by Franchise55 on Jan 4, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

    Time travel

    Superman has proven conclusively that if you travel around the equator at the speed of light in a direction opposite the rotation, you can go back in time.

    Tim should go back and pitch Game 6 of the 2002 World Series.

    Flaxseed oil dependent

    by 3Com Park on Jan 4, 2010 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

    GREAT SCOTT

    Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

    by satyricrash on Jan 4, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

    Fuck Mike Scott.

    Proud father of Barry Bonds.

    by Sabertooth on Jan 4, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

    IAWTC

    Fuck Mike Scott

    "If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."

    by ResDog on Jan 4, 2010 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

    why the hate?

    He’s the manager of the most profitable Dunder Mifflin branch!

    Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."


    Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

    by natteringnabob on Jan 4, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

    Curse of Eddie Grant gone

    Tim Lincecum put in to face Scott Spezio in game 6 instead Felix Rodriguez

    by Gargonzo on Jan 4, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

    And then he'll take it higher.

    HO!

    "I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry

    by victor frankenstein on Jan 4, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

    Tim might surpass McGwire someday, but I think it’s far too early to call now. There’s no way his achievements through 3 seasons trump McGwire’s in 17 (especially since, as we all know, if not for the steroids brouhaha, McGwire likely would have gotten into the HoF with 90+% on the first ballot.)

    Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
    "AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

    by jponry on Jan 4, 2010 5:17 PM PST reply actions  

    Lincecum vs Ditka?

    Da Berrz!

    Insert witty signature of your own choosing here.

    by Flapjacks McGurty on Jan 4, 2010 5:19 PM PST reply actions  

    too hunnert and forty tree

    ta zero

    Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."


    Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.

    by natteringnabob on Jan 4, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

    CAIN 4 DITKA COME ON SABES

    Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

    by satyricrash on Jan 4, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

    Throw in Joe Crede and that’s a great deal.

    by Into the Void on Jan 4, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

    Trick Question

    Tim Lincecum is Ditka…’s father.

    In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.

    by cornball on Jan 4, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

    Lincecum

    Given any kind of reasonable career trajectory, going forward. McGwire=overrated, imho.

    Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
    Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.

    by Lyle on Jan 4, 2010 5:25 PM PST reply actions  

    Yeah

    If Timmy keeps it up for a few years and then gradually declines he’s got to be in the discussion for best pitcher ever. Obviously it’s too early to call that, and I don’t think McGwire is overrated, but what Tim’s doing is entirely ridiculous.

    by quincy0191 on Jan 4, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

    Actually

    I’m starting to feel that McGwire is under-rated.

    The baseball Satanist

    by thehavenot on Jan 4, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

    He is.

    Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
    "AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

    by jponry on Jan 4, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

    Speaking of underrated, I’ll take a moment to note that Ted Simmons was a hell of a player. Just imagine if Buster can turn into that.

    My Bucardo is better than yours.

    A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

    by Roger on Jan 5, 2010 4:40 AM PST up reply actions  

    Lincecum vs. Tiger Woods

    Billy Ripken is not a fuck face

    by Karlifornia on Jan 4, 2010 5:27 PM PST reply actions  

    Tiger gets more ladies?

    by PiKAgiant on Jan 4, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

    More similar than one thinks

    Lincecum: enjoys ho-ho’s in the clubhouse
    Tiger: enjoys ho’s in the clubhouse

    Win the inning.

    by Scooter Ellis on Jan 4, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

    Lets not forget

    Santa Claus enjoys ho-ho-ho’s

    by Franchise55 on Jan 4, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

    Too early to tell.

    There has been other young phenom pitchers, who did not end up being super great. ie; Dwight Goodin, for example. If LIncecum can have a long career at this level that he has shown, he will be great. For two years, he has been great.

    by bradleybear on Jan 4, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

    For two years

    He has been more than great he has been historicly great. He has accomplished in two years what most pitchers never accomplish or can even hope to accomplish.

    If he goes on to have a long career at this level is he not in the conversation for greatest of all time?

    All I know is that if he’s gonna go 3 for 3 with the Cy he is going to have to have one hella of a year.

    by Franchise55 on Jan 4, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

    bradleybear is the new rxmeister.

    I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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    by Natto on Jan 4, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

    This is my thought.

    "meh"

    by SFGuy on Jan 4, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

    but lincecum uses performance detracting drugs

    I had a nice day, and wore my lincecum jersey today. It worked for me.

    by bradleybear on Jan 4, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions  

    I know, just imagine if Tim could get off the hooter.

    Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.

    by cain1rstballothof on Jan 4, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

    Oh, Tim, noooo...

    "I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry

    by victor frankenstein on Jan 5, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

    Oh NO!

    Tim’s account is inactive! All hope is lost!

    by quincy0191 on Jan 5, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

    PEOPLE BECOME INACTIVE WHEN THEY SMOKE WEED

    #1 threat to America: Pandas
    Also, Tim Lincecum
    Official McPokeMaster

    by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 5, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

    It’s a scientific fact!

    Officially disinterested in any high school outfielders from the state of Mississippi.
    Proud adoptive parent of Sergio Romo. Looking forward to adopting Justin Smoak.

    by Lyle on Jan 7, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

    If St. Louis activates McGwire as a pinch hitter for 2010, we’ll have to re-calculate.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2010/01/07/2010-01-07_mark_mcgwire_pinchhitting.html

    by kdl on Jan 7, 2010 4:04 PM PST reply actions  

    lolwut

    I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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    by Natto on Jan 7, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

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