Jesus Guzman designated for assignment...
...to make room for Bengie Molina. This isn't likely to be anything to freak out over -- Guzman's glove and patience were probably going to limit him to the bench -- but I suggest we all freak out anyways.
And just because I want the Giants succeed doesn't mean that it wouldn't be funny to watch Ryan Garko and Guzman hit a combined 45 home runs in the near future.
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This gets a front page post, but Mr. F’s surgery doesn’t?!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
I broke the news about Sanchez’s surgery four weeks ago. Where were you?
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 22, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
DAMN! I missed it!
/checks old posts
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'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
found it!
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/12/23/1218054/holiday-nuthin-thread#27831863
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
But seriously
When did you mention it Grant? I’ve been sitting here at work all day, checking in with McC every ten minutes waiting for you to go off on the front office… my day isn’t complete until u do that.
And it’s Friday. I want to go home in peace, please.
There were some fanshots, but I didn’t see him say anything in them.
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'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Sick daughter. No post. Blame the germs.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 22, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
damn you germs!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Jesus can’t catch.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Does he want the Giants “to” succeed or “not to” succeed? I need to know how to cheer this season.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I don’t think this will be a big loss, but I would have rather dumped Burriss tbh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Same. Jesus seemed to have some offensive upside. Plus, how do you just dump Jesus? Seems like a sure path to hell.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
God just cursed the Giants :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I dunno
Which is worse, losing a fairly low-value player named Jesus (Giants), or losing a fairly high-value player to Jesus (A’s)?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Jan 22, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
that was awesome!
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 23, 2010 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
To make things more complicated
We actually gained Jesus from the A’s in the first place too
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
So we found Jesus in Oakland? No wonder Desme didn’t.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
According to a friend of mine in New York (84yrs old, love ya Gino!), God cursed the Giants when they left NYC. His assertion is that they won’t win a WSC until they move back.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
His assertion is that they won’t win a WSC until they move back.
You just stop that crazy talk right now.
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It's hard not to believe
McCovey hits it 2 feet higher.
Earthquake in ’89.
Asteroid in ’02.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yikes. A co-worker who watched ’62 live said McCovey obliterated that baseball. Nice to bookend my day with Giants world series failures (also wearing a Giants shirt to work for some reason).
I just watched it on the MLB Network. He smoked it.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 22, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
end of the world 2012?
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 23, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I think the current organization does enough to recognize the NY Giants to appease any ‘spirits’.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
You are ready to give up on Burriss? I find that interesting. I know he was terrible last year, but he is raw, and I think that there is a chance that he could at least be a useful utility IF in the future.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s ever going to hit, and his defense isn’t really that good either.
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that
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
this
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
come on...he'll get A hit
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 23, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, I never saw Burriss play much, so I can’t say one way or the other, and I trust your opinion, but I hope you aren’t using the advanced metrics to determine that – SSS. Everything I have read leads me to believe he is a good athelete, which should at the least mean good range.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
His bat was awful last year
I’d rather see Bengie run without a shirt than watch him “bat” against those MLB pitchers last season; my eyes won’t forgive me either way. He had a great ST too but apparently didn’t carry over one bit.
However, I seriously doubt they will DFA him anytime soon given that they still don’t have a SS ready to play in SF once Rent’s gone.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 22, 2010 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Andre Smith agrees with you
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 22, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
bengLOLs
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What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 23, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t think he’s ever going to hit, and his defense isn’t really that good either.
Precisely. I’d rather take a chance on Jesus’ bat.
Don't believe everything you think.
Still standing: FLew and Frandsen
Don’t worry Jesus, Toronto will be calling your agent soon.
Win the inning.
normally I would get all worked up. but after THIS week…
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
why is fresno fred still on the roster......
by sadison bummedgarner on Jan 22, 2010 3:06 PM PST reply actions
Don't even start with that sh*t...
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OBA!!!
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Better question
why do people seriously ask this question?
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From Baggs
Molina, on his own, texted Buster Posey to let him know he wasn’t trying to take his job and to offer support. Posey called back in short order and the two catchers had a long conversation. Sabean wouldn’t rule out Posey beginning the season as the backup catcher, but it’s obvious that everyone in the organization wants him to catch more games in the minor leagues. Plus, with Steve Decker now the manager at Triple-A Fresno, Posey should benefit from playing there every day.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 22, 2010 3:08 PM PST reply actions
quit tryin 2 lite a fire undr me lol
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by Natto on Jan 22, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Sabean wouldn’t rule out Posey beginning the season as the backup catcher,
Ugh. This should be a no-brainer. The ONLY reasons to not start Posey are to get him more minor league experience and to delay his service clock.
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Of course if he gets some pinch hits in big league at-bats then he may finally prove he can hit big league pitching. Although BORK would probably then decide that Posey is too valuable as a pinch hitter to start.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I honestly believe that part of Bork’s “Bengie love” has to do with his own aborted shot at starting for an MLB team. When Kennedy left after 1986, Bork was scheduled to be the opening day starter for 1987. Then Bentio Santiago showed he could play some ball. The rest is history. Bochy is not going to let Posey take away Molina’s job.
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according to the noted baseball thinker giantsrainman, catching one game a week in MLB is a better way for him to develop than catching every day in AAA.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Jan 22, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
He Isn't Going To Gain The Missing MLB Experience Handling A Pitching Staff In Fresno.
That said, avoiding another Timmy like Super 2 problem is the reason to send him down until July.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with this, it’s not experience behind the plate he needs, he’s been playing catcher plenty long, and although I’m no big league ballplayer I think it would be a safe bet that between AAA catching duties and major league catching. The only benefits I see of him starting in AAA would be to develop the Bumgarner-Posey battery, but it doesn’t look like Bumgarner will start out the season in Fresno. O avodingr the Super 2 thing which I’ve never really looked into to know exactly how it works. I think starting Posey every Bumgarner start would be a good option.
by atxgiantsfan on Jan 22, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
There is so much mythology behind being a catcher and it is BS. Posey is either ready as a hitter or he is not. All the other stuff is basically meaningless.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Name A Major League Manager That Agrees
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
That should be quite simple seeing as he knows 28 of them on a first-name basis.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Only A Fool Thinks He Knows More Then The Professionals
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 1:24 AM PST up reply actions
This is FUCKING MORONIC
people fail upward in all aspects of life. Just because somebody is high-ranking does not mean they’re any more knowledgeable than anyone else. Obviously the players are great at playing baseball because they have a natural gift, but their word DOES NOT trump actual recorded FACTS of events that have happened, it doesn’t matter if they’re professionals or not.
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We Are Talking About All 30 MLB Managers Not Just One
Did all 30 fail upward? I will take the opinion of all 30 MLB mangers on the value of catchers over the opinion of an amateur stat worshiper every day of the week.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I suspect if you were to ask, you’d realize that not all 30 MLB managers share the same opinion on this matter.
Find Me A Quote From One That Disagrees
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
What? I’m merely pointing out that it is highly unlikely for any group of 30 people to agree completely on anything.
On This It Is Clear To Me These 30 Men Do
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
You Only Have To Find One - You Go First
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Bullshit
don’t deflect.
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GRM
that’s not the way it works. You’re the one making a positive claim here (all 30 managers agree that Posey isn’t ready to start), so YOU have to provide the evidence.
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Good for you
and I will call it stupid every day of the week. Thinking like yours leads to bengie fucking molina being thought of as a good player.
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He Is A Good Player If You Properly Value Leading A Pitching Staff
Baseball is played by people not computers and how people interact matters. The pitcher catcher relationship matters.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not going to argue with a brick wall any further
it has been PROVEN that a catcher has little to no impact on a pitching staff. That is a fact. Just because someone who makes a lot of money disagrees with that does not mean it isn’t true.
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No, It Has Not Been Proven.
It has yet to be successfully measured and thus has been therorized and assumed by some stat heads to not exist.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
There is statistical evidence that proves a catcher has EXTREMEMLY minimal effect on a pitching staff
if there’s any effect at all. That is fact. What 30 people SUPPOSEDLY (according to you) say isn’t.
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Some Evidence Is Not The Same As Proof
by giantsrainman on Jan 24, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
No It Doesn't
There is plenty of evidence presented by both sides in a trial.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 2:09 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, in that case, please present evidence that a catcher has a noticeable effect on the pitching staff.
I Call MLB Managers, Coaches, And Scouts To The Stand
It is clear to me from their actions and words that they are convinced that it does.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
I Also Call Tom Tango's WAR To The Stand
What other possible explanation is there for catchers having 5 runs more of positional adjustment then shortstops. The number of defensive plays a Catcher is involved in including stolen base attempts is actually small compared to other positions when you eliminate catching strike three ( the easiest PO of all). Clearly this positional adjustment has a lot to do with the catchers responsibilities as the leader of the pitching staff.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Why don't you e-mail him yourself?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Catcher is also by far the most physically exhausting position to play. It could be about that.
I was promised lasagna.
this
Basically most positional adjustments can be inferred from their respective hitting averages. Catchers are the worst hitting position players, ergo they must be the hardest to develop, ergo they have the highest positional adjustment.
Positional adjustments are VALUE driven – “what is the value of a catcher who hits X with average defense?”
also
1999 Study on CERA
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No exactly
BP’s positional adjustments are VALUE driven.
Tango’s (the ones GRM referenced) are TALENT driven. But the results are similar.
I was promised lasagna.
Again
not continuing this. You are not reasonable.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Actually You Aren't.
You don’t even understand the difference between evidence and proof or for that matter fact and opinion. .
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 2:10 AM PST up reply actions
Ok, whatever
statistical evidence = proof = fact. Take a class.
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No It Doesn't
Just because nobody has figured out how to measure something with stats does not mean it has been proven not to exist. Frankly you have to be very closed minded to think this way.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 2:45 AM PST up reply actions
And because you can't measure it, you don't really have a firm grasp of what effect it actually has and the extent to which the effect affects.... yeah
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
True To An Extent
But MLB Managers, Coaches, And Scouts act and talk like they are convinced that the effect is both real and significant. I am open minded on this. If these pros show signs of reconsidering their position on this I will too. In the mean time I remain very skeptical that current statical analysis is sufficient to warrant changing my mind.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
they say the same thing about clutch hitting, too
something that has been demonstrated not to be a skill the correlates year-to-year (boy I had to word that carefully)
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I Don't Consider This "Demonstrated" Either
Again, not yet knowing how to measure something is not proof that it does not exist. It is indeed evidence that it may not exist. But again the actions of professionals is counter evidence that it does exist. On this too I have not yet seen good enough reasons to go against the opinions of the professionals.
by giantsrainman on Jan 26, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Everyone knows xanthan is a computer.
But I’m starting to think GRM might be, too. It is literally impossible for him (it?) to leave any word in the subject line uncapitalized and it’s starting to freak me out.
No, I saw him miss one the other day. Besides, if he were a computer, he would be siding with the computers in this debate.
(Not that this is really a debate, per se. This is GRM being loudly wrong. There are many things upon which all Major League managers have agreed upon throughout the years which turned out to be wrong.)
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Politicians don’t get their jobs in the same way as MLB managers. Come on now
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by Useful_Idiot on Jan 23, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Believing Them When They All Agree Is Not The Same As Believing One Or Even The Majority
Now in politics it seems to never happen that they all agree but if they do I am very likely to accept such a judgment on their behalf.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
GM’s used to all agree that AVG is more important than OBP. Every single one of them. For more than 100 years.
Saying that it’s unlikely that they’re all wrong is one thing, but competently rejecting that as a possibility just because they’re professionals is insane.
I was promised lasagna.
I Don't Think This Is True
Many always valued walks and not making outs. Just because the media didn’t pay any attention to tracking OBP doesn’t mean the GMs and Managers didn’t. I will agree that paying attention to this was not a majority view in many periods of baseball’s past but it was not an unheld view.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
There is a difference between valuing walks and realizing OBP is more important than AVG. And you should try backing your claims too, since you asked speckops to do so. Find me evidence of a GM in the 60’s who thought OBP is more important than AVG.
I was promised lasagna.
GM
Branch Rickey.
He’s it though, probably.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
His ideas never really caught on with other GMs, though.
It’s been pretty well established that OBP was under-compensated compared to it’s value to a team in the early 2000’s. That’s pretty strong evidence that old baseball men do not always perfectly understand the game that they’re in charge of.
FU, FO
Wait, So All 30 GMs Did Not Walk In Lock Step On This Issue?
MY FUCKING MIND IS BLOWN
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Manager, not GM, but...
Earl Weaver.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dear GRM,
You mean “than.”
Sincerely,
The Grammar Police
Ok, defend your position.
Tell me how the mythology of catchers is not BS and please don’t cache your answer in cliches like, “he knows how to handle a pitching staff”. And then when you do make a salient point, tell me what would happen if your point were not fully realized by an “inexperienced” catcher such as Posey.
Example:
-Statement by GRM or Bruce Bochey:
“Posey does not know the pitching staff well enough to call a game. A catcher needs to be on the same page with a pitcher for the sake of a pitchers rhythm.” Ok, so what would happen if Posey could not properly call a game? He would be shaken off and he and the pitcher would work it out, or Bochey calls the pitches from the dugout.
Your move.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 23, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
You Just Don't Get It
Baseball is not played by computers. It is played by people and thus relationships matter. Trust matters. Pitchers don’t want to be shaking off their catcher much as it creates doubt and messes with rhythm. Pitchers absolutely don’t want to be waiting for the catcher to get the signal from the bench on every pitch and then having to worry about explaining the manager why he shaked off the pitch selection from the bench.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
In the 80’s Roger Craig used to call the pitches for the Giants. They won the West in ’87 and the NL in ’89. To claim it is not possible or successful is just not true.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_12_61/ai_93448069/pg_2/
It is towards the bottom of the page, and you should be familiar with the guy who is saying that Craig called the pitches.
Ok, so that I have refuted your claim. Let’s have another.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 23, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Kruk's Statements Are In Disagreement With Your Interpretation Of Kuip On This
Krukow says Brenly called the pitches and Kuiper says Craig did. I will go with the pitcher on this but I have no problem believing that on occasion in critical situations Craig called some pitches. No way no how do I believe Craig called all the pitches or even a significant amount of the pitches.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
If that’s true, it should manifest itself in some way, right? Do you have evidence of it manifesting itself? If such evidence does not exist (for example, a rise in FIP with a pitcher who does not trust his catcher), then we can conclude that it does not matter.
I Trust The Combined Judgment Of All 30 MLB Managers On This
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
THIS ARGUMENT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT
and I don’t even care anymore. Someone as willfully ignorant as you doesn’t deserve anger or rational discussion. There isn’t a point, because you are incapable of realizing your argument is baseless and makes no sense.
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I am!
GO COLTS. GEUX SAINTS
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to go ahead and theorize
That the pitcher-catcher relationship is probably less important than Sabean and Bochy say it is, and more important than MCC thinks it is.
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+1
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
worse than super 2 status is the possibility of losing him to FA a year earlier. it’s not worth giving him 8 starts and 50 PA in the first half if that’s the case. although the combined production of whiteside and a year older bengie is terrifying. oh, the humanity OBP!
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Yeah
If Posey, is a “cornerstone” and the “Giants’ Way” is to have home-grown players be the foundation, maximizing Posey’s usefulness over the longer term makes sense, even it means he starts the season in Fresno.
Also, to those who say he’s been catching long enough, I tend to disagree. He’s still a relative newcomer to the position. Catchers are usually catchers from way back, whereas Posey converted to catcher in college.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
oh jesus
If he started the year as a backup catcher
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
He won’t…not for us anyway, they just DFA’d him.
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by Goofus on Jan 22, 2010 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like this
We give Bengie a lot of shit. This was a cool thing to do.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
As someone just learning of the Freddy Sanchez news, I’ve been laughing for the past few minutes since reading that article. I’d think Baggs was the best comedy writer in all of baseball if I didn’t know he was an honest to God reporter. This team is toooooo too funny.
The Office, 30 Rock, Parks & Rec, Modern Family, Giants Baseball.
Aside from Aziz Ansari, Parks and Rec is terrible.
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by tommylasordaistheantichrist on Jan 22, 2010 3:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, the show has hit it’s stride and is very good now.
/auto-defenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe i should give it another shot. I took it off my dvr after last season.
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by tommylasordaistheantichrist on Jan 22, 2010 3:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This season is MUCH MUCH better than last season, and it’s getting very good right now. I think you can catch up on Hulu
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
On a scale of 1 to Chris Brown:
How angry are you right now?
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 22, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
All episodes can be seen on the NBC website. I highly recommend this show!
by crazedcrustacean on Jan 22, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Last season of Parks was rough. It's definitely picked up.
Kind of like the first season of the (American) Office—first season was…okay, and the second season was stellar.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
And it’s written by Ken Tremendous! Actually, this is a reason not to watch it. Hopefully it gets cancelled and FJM comes back to life.
Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...
by AngelWillSaveUs on Jan 22, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
No thanks
FJM was one of my favorite things ever, but like they said, there’s only so many times you can get angry at people saying stupid things. They quit before it got played out. d
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D!!!!
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I disagree 100%. It’s the best ensemble on television.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
It’s the WuTang of SitComs
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Yes!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Parks and Rec is the funniest show out of all four of them on Thursday nights
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
How does it feel to be SOOOOOOO wrong???
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First of all isn't the Office on Thursday nights
secondly Community is better than P&R
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Community is not funny.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Yes, it is
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
NUH UH!!!
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Isnt p&r thursdays too?
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Yeah
Heimy said that P&R is the best show on Thursday show and I said it’s the 3rd show (at best)
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
IAWTC
though like many here, I haven’t watched it lately. I’ll hafta give it another shot i spose
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Yeah I'll give it another chance
but The Office (even in a down year) is a must see. And Community is pretty damn funny.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
This is in disagreement with my beliefs.
30 Rock>Office>Community (although I like them all)
And I don’t watch P&R, so I have no opinion.
30 Rock>P&R>Community
I don’t watch the Office that much. It is funny when I watch it, but as someone who works in an office, it is often too painful to be as escapist as I want television to be.
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IAWTC
So much of the humor in The Office comes from really negative emotions: ennui, anger, fear, frustration, depression, pettiness, abuse of power… the dark side are they. Everybody Loves Raymond was the same.
The Office is vastly, epically, preposterously better than ELR, though. Obviously.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
it's funny
my sister had the same reaction: Michael reminded her of an incompetent boss she recently got away from. I mean, the reaction wasn’t funny but I sometimes forget that some of the stuff (i.e. sexual harassment day) isn’t really that far off from real experiences people might have had. Todd Packer is one of my favorite characters, but I bet 60 year old women who worked in private industry don’t find him humorous.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
This.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Sam23's list
Long Reply chain
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
That was kinda lame
especially after such a long break. I still like it though
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by bondslegend on Jan 22, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Yes true… is there an opposite for not?
Felicitations, malefactors! I am endeavoring to misappropriate the formulary for the preparation of affordable comestibles. Who will join me!?
by MetalFaceDoom on Jan 24, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
Okay, i watched last weeks episode. When ron asked for fridge space for his personal deviled eggs i almost did a spit take.
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by tommylasordaistheantichrist on Jan 23, 2010 2:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You dropped this
COMMUNITY
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Has that gotten better?
I watched the first 3 episodes and was not sold.
/auto-defenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Ditto.
Well, I only managed two episodes, actually. I didn’t find it remotely funny.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
+1
Community > Parks & Rec
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
yes
"I think I was the best baseball player I ever saw." - Willie Mays
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by tommylasordaistheantichrist on Jan 22, 2010 4:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nope.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Oh yeah.
"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club
Nah.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 23, 2010 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
Aye
Felicitations, malefactors! I am endeavoring to misappropriate the formulary for the preparation of affordable comestibles. Who will join me!?
by MetalFaceDoom on Jan 24, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
I have watched every episode , waiting for it to kick in with me, and I still don’t like it.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I like Modern Family. Great cast led by Al Bundy.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2010 4:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
The Halloween episode of Community might be my favorite single episode of a comedy in 2009
Abed as Batman slays me.
That was amazing.
Troy and Abed are the two best new characters of the year imo
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Troy is awesome
The guy who plays him got a job writing on 30 Rock while he was still an RA at NYU, so he had to keep his RA beeper on his first week on the show.
Yes. Still really like the show. Last weeks was not too great, and I haven’t watched yesterday’s yet.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 22, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
But in this particular situation comedy . . .
. . . don’t forget The Middle. Isn’t that most appropriate?
Don't believe everything you think.
WTF Office
Shrewish Pam, serious Jim…. I’m not liking this season so much.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 22, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, Jim has become a major douche this season
by crazedcrustacean on Jan 22, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 23, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
shanghaijim
becomes shanghaipam for a minute.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
He’s always been a major douche, tbh
I think it’s gotten worse the last two years.
That said, I haven’t watched a single episode of The Office this season
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Oh my goodness +1 soulmate!
Felicitations, malefactors! I am endeavoring to misappropriate the formulary for the preparation of affordable comestibles. Who will join me!?
by MetalFaceDoom on Jan 24, 2010 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
Jim has always been a huge douchebag. Never liked him.
Felicitations, malefactors! I am endeavoring to misappropriate the formulary for the preparation of affordable comestibles. Who will join me!?
by MetalFaceDoom on Jan 24, 2010 1:31 AM PST up reply actions
He's always been a douche
but likeably so. Since he became the boss it’s been sorta the other direction
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I think they’re exploring how hard it is to be the boss in an office and still be cool with people.
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Read: probably impossible
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I hate those two. I want a show with Ryan and Creed and Stanley and Phyllis.
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Creed is a great character
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Creed is my hero
and my favorite ex-70s band member from Coarsegold, CA.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 22, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Creed is great because he isn't featured as much
He can be crazier that way. He’d just be annoying in a bigger role.
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"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 23, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Even for the internet, it’s pretty shocking.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I agree. This is the problem most sitcoms make – they have a character like Creed and they’re popular, so they give them more screen-time and the joke gets old.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
you have this to look forward to
when Krasinski and Jenna Fischer leave and Michael adopts his cousin Oliver! Oh, the hijinks that will ensue.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Ryan is far and away my least favorite character.
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 23, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
+100000
I realize he’s supposed to be unlikeable, but he reminds me way too much of trust fund jerks I’ve had to work with/for (even though that’s not his character’s background).
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
I would have kept his righty bat on the roster.
/awaits inevitable Eric Byrnes sigh-ning.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2010 3:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
STOP IT
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
From the KLAW: “Will that really be enough room?”
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
by cheno on Jan 22, 2010 3:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
sik berne!
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And our Angel murdered a man
Years after we were destroyed by Angels!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Angel Pagan loses his starting job
Now I’m confused
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Original screenplay
After God loses faith in humanity, the archangel Michael (Paul Bettany), who has become a fallen angel, is the only one standing between mankind and Armageddon. This time using angels to execute the Last Judgment, God’s wrath descends on Earth to exterminate the world’s population. In a desperate, last-chance gambit, Michael leads a group of strangers to a small New Mexico diner to become unlikely heroes to protect a young waitress (Adrianne Palicki) who may be pregnant with Christ in his second coming.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Wow, that could be the dumbest idea for a movie ever. Even dumber than a hot tub that sends people back to the 80’s.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 22, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t believe that movie got made.
/auto-defenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
“WAIT! Wait, hear me out! I can still come up with a hit… um… OK, I got it! We’ll get the Rock, right? And he’ll be a hockey player; one of those guys who knocks other players’ teeth out, right? OK, now- you’re gonna LOVE this- he becomes the TOOTH FAIRY! And, uh, Julie Andrews! She owes the studio a favor, right? We can get her in on this, too, as his boss or something! So? Whaddaya think? Do we have a hit, or do we have a hit?!”
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Anything goes with kids movies.
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“OK, OK, so we’ve got these hamsters, right? No, guinea pigs! But- and trust me, you’re gonna LOVE this, you’re gonna DIE when I tell you this- they’re spies for the FBI! We’ll get Jerry Bruckheimer to direct it, and a bunch of stars to do the voices… Nick Cage, Tracy Morgan, Penelope Cruz, something like that. They love that voiceover CGI shit. Easy payday for them. So? Whaddaya think? Do we have a hit, or do we have a hit?”
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Hot Tub Time Machine
/auto-defenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
/auto-defenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
That would be Hot Tub Time Machine
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds cool
Not really
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 22, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't that the same plot as Dogma? I mean, more or less
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Not really; that had two angels trying to get back into Heaven and wreaking havoc on earth, and the people/beings protecting the chosen girl were sent by God, who looked like Alanis Morrissette.
JUST A CITY BOY
That’s a more believable plot than “Legion” and it was a comedy.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Well, Kevin Smith actually knows what he’s referencing.
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 23, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Nah, fanboy fanservice extraneous to a plot summary.
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 23, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
and the people/beings protecting the chosen girl were sent by God, who looked like Alanis Morrissette.
Actually, God was in a coma, so didn’t choose anyone for anything.
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To continue on the religion-based plots
I saw “Book of Eli” yesterday. Very good movie & well-acted (except for Mila Kunis /waits for ban). You know those characters where you’re mesmerized when one character is on the screen? Both Denzel & Oldman did that in this movie, and that covers about 90% of the film.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I saw it last week and you nailed it.
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Sabean and Groeschner defended the due diligence of the medical department, saying they’d taken four MRIs of Sanchez’s shoulder prior to the club signing the second baseman to a two-year, $12 million extension early in the offseason. Groeschner said much of diagnostic medicine is interpretation. "It’s sports medicine. It’s not black and white all the time." Sanchez hadn’t tested the shoulder until mid-December because he was rehabbing from knee surgery. But when he began swinging a bat, the discomfort recurred. In an exploratory scope, the damage was discovered and repaired. Sabean said he doesn’t have "any doubt (Sanchez) will be back on the field in due order and be the guy who we traded for."
So much LOL
Groeschner is a bigger moron than Bochy
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
If there were no concerns why would you need to take 4 MRIs of the same shoulder? Fucking idiots can’t even lie well.
Then you look at the bizarro version of the Giants medical staff. Sabean knows how to hold ’em. Epstein knows how to fold ’em and walk away blah blah blah
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Four Different Doctors To Get Not Just A Second But 3rd And 4th Opinion In An Effort To Be Sure
In which case all four doctors were total failures.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
It Could And Neither Of Us Knows For Sure. My Guess Is As Good As Yours On This.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
How many nurses are in this equation?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
HELLO nurse.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 23, 2010 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, I remember this!!
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 26, 2010 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
Come one
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or come on
jesus christ, what the fuck is with me tonight?? I cannot type at all.
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Come all
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
In a world...
Where you believe that a player can come back from an injury (or 5) and be the same player he was at now an advanced (over 30) age, Sabean and company did the right thing. They got multiple tests and possibly opinions.
The problem is that they think that a player of Sanchez’ age and history can come back and be the player that he was. This should be the end of the story. No tests should have been ordered. No opinions needed. Move along. This is not the second baseman you are looking for.
Let’s not blame the medical staff too much. They work at the discretion of management.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Also,
The young guys may get a chance yet. This team is a walking orthopedic clinic. It all depends on whether Jupiter Head plays the hurt guys.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
Early 30's Should Not Be Considered An Advanced Age
This label should apply to late 30’s only.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
I’m 33, so I get it, but I’m not a professional athlete, except that I am Pedro Feliz, so I guess I am a professional athlete.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 23, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm 37
but my job requires me to sit at a desk. I’ve got at least 30 more years to go, and that still won’t get me to where my pops is, still working at 68.
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Doctor's have to sit at desks?
what about curing the swine flu, (which isn’t that big of a threat IMO)
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 23, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
With his injury history, I believe it should have been.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 23, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Injury History Is A Much More Valid Argument Then Age When 32 Is The Age We Are Talking About
The Giants medical staff may have blown it on this or Sabean my have chosen to accept too much risk. Frankly we just do not know which if either is true.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
it’s a classic case of CYA, albeit Giants fail-style.
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Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 23, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
you don’t see a connection between age and injury? What?
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Being 32 Doesn't Make You An Injury Risk
It just increases the probability a small amount. Having had multiple injuries before makes you an injury risk regardless of your age.
by giantsrainman on Jan 24, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
New rule!
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we all eventually will be Freddy Sanchez, really
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Pedro Feliz will eventually be Freddy Sanchez
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unbelievable.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Due diligence sighting.
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Sabean and Groeschner defended the due diligence of the medical department
They kicked Freddy’s tires so often, they injured his rotator cuff.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, SS Edgar Renteria (elbow surgery) is playing catch from 90 feet three times a week in Miami, in addition to swinging a bat. He told Groeschner he’s excited about where he’s at.
Miami, that is.
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I've been to Miami
It’s really not worth getting excited over.
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Blah
At least he might be able to throw to first now
by Section B, Row 1 on Jan 22, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Commence the “best shape of his life” rumors.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
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Did you hear?
Renteria’s in the best shape of his life!
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he needs to stay out of the fronton
or he’s gonna get suspended!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Jan 22, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
He’s in Miami, bitch.
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why the hell would sabes resign moley sanchez if he had 2 surgerys ?
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Monta PPG> Monta IQ
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Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
to try and cover up the fact that he gave away a top prospect for nothing
by Section B, Row 1 on Jan 22, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
If by "cover up" you mean
literally covering Sanchez in money, then I guess that works.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
In which case...
…why didn’t he resign Garko?
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Exactly.
The organizations evaluation of talent and health risks were behind both of these decisions. In neither case did (CYA) have anything to do with the decision.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
He can CYA in one situation and not the other, right?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Either your ass is covered, or it’s not.
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Personally I use one of these:
But you can still CYA on one move and not the other. Split the difference. Plus Alderson was more highly regarded than Barnes.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Barnes was still a top 10 prospect though
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We call that “Friday”.
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So, Bowker’s going to stary in Fresno, Schierholtz will start on the 25 man, with DeRosa, Rownand, Torres, Velez; where does this leave Fred Lewis and Kevin Frandsen?
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by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions
The Problem and The Stopgap
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'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Do you really think Frandsen opens the season on the 25 man?
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by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
Oh i doubt it. He has to be on the 40 so they can call him up as the stopgap, right?
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But he's out of options
its either a DFA or he becomes a Blue Jay
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Yeah, i figured as much. You think someone else will claim him? I can’t imagine him starting on the 25 man
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I definitely think he will get claimed
I like him more than most people and think he could be a decent regular or a very good utility guy
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I think the guy is a ML starter, but what do I know.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria thinks Miami is exciting.
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TWSS
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Bowker can start in Fresno – isn’t he out of options at this point, or am I misremembering?
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He's got one left
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Ah, good. I’d hate to lose him because of stupidity.
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I still can’t believe Velez is guaranteed a roster spot and Lewis isn’t
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"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
One’s a future cornerstone of the team and the other’s a problem. Duh.
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That's Eli Whiteside.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
why do you all
keep posting these pictures of the bullpen catcher? Who cares.
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by natteringnabob on Jan 22, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Cornerstone
He’ll be the #3 hitter for the Fresno Grizzlies for a long time
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I think Frannie sticks around until Mole is ready to go.
I think it might just be Fred vs Velez in ST. I mean why else is he getting the neo-Bocock treatment.
co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?
That’d be sweet if F.Lew could knock Velez off the 25 man. Freddy Lewis: “the problem solver?”
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by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Even though Velez’s ability to play 2B is pretty much worthless because he’s so bad there and his ability to switch hit is pretty much worthless because he’s so awful against lefties I’d be shocked if those two things didn’t keep him on the roster.
Thing A
We did get him from Toronto...
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Why? He Is Still both Cheap And Useful As A Member Of The 5 Man Position Player Bench.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Uribe>Velez
Lewis>Velez
Bowker>Velez
Schierholtz>Velez
Torres>Velez
That just about sums it up.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Only Uribe And Lewis Are Sure Bets to Be
The is as much to doubt about the other 3 as there is about Velez.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 1:28 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a reasonable point.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I wouldn’t, because he has way more upside.
But GRM is right in that there is just as much uncertainty with Bowker as there is with Velez.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Well, I think we know that Torres is a good outfielder, so he has that on Velez, and this makes him more attractive since he can be a late-innings defensive replacement.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 23, 2010 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
You could say the same about Schierholtz
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Velez Does Have A Good Career UZR/150 In The Outfield Of +9.1 In 464 Innings
Schierholtz and Torres are better at +19 and +15 in 989 and 918 innings respectively. But Bowker is not at just +4 in 232 innings.
by giantsrainman on Jan 24, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
But Bowker's offensive upside is clearly higher than Velez's
Nate to me is a fringe starter/good 4th OF. Torres is a solid 4th-5th OF because of Speed & Defense. Bowker could be a ML starter or could be a 4A player. Velez to me isn’t good enough to be on a ML roster.
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Upside Is No Reason To Chose Him For The 25 Man Roster Now
The are also plenty in the minors with more upside. What matters is what he is likely to do in 2010 and it is actually a pretty close call as to who is likely to be better in 2010.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 2:48 AM PST up reply actions
But GRM is right in that there is just as much uncertainty with Bowker as there is with Velez.
I strongly disagree with that. Velez is 28, and he has a good performance in A-ball and 200 good-not-great AAA at-bats that might suggest he’s anything better than a back-of-the-bench guy in seven seasons. Bowker had a phenomenal year last year, and he did it by completely reworking his hitting approach, which might suggest it’s a sustainable improvement.
I’d say there’s uncertainty with Bowker, but there isn’t much with Velez. What you see is what you get there.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 24, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
made more sense than huff at 1B
let’s see, young 1B has big offensive upside potential, can’t play defense. let’s give actual money to an older, grittier proven commodity, who happens to be a 1B with NO upside and NO defense.
i can’t see this team sniffing the playoffs or even matching 88 wins. I am disgusted and have no desire to give this team my hardly earned money this year. hopefully if the season goes as i expect we won’t have to suffer another year of bochy and sabean.
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He Has A Proven 4+ WAR Upside As Shown By His 2008 Season.
It is laughable to suggest that Guzman (or even Garko and Ishikawa) have an upside anywhere near this.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
His 2008 season was great
but how was his 09 season? that’s what most people are worried about.
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Giants tend to bring out the downside though, GRM. F. Sanchez is already on track to fuck your projections up.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Giants Age tend to bring out the downside though, GRM. F. Sanchez is already on track to fuck your projections up.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
It takes two to tango. I would love to know how many other GM’s would’ve given that contract to F. Sanchez.
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by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
Given the market for Orlando Hudson & Felipe Lopez
I’d say not many
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Possibly Missing The First Few weeks Of The Season Should Not Have Much Impact.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Whatcha smokin’?
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by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Because Games In April Don't Count In The Standings As Much As Games In September,
right?
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus christ
why can’t you just say that they did something wrong?
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Because I Don't Believe I Did - I See Him As Still Likely To Play In More Then 120 Games
Which is the choice I selected in my projections using Fangraphs tool.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
When you reach the age that Huff is at
it’s more likely to be downside
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Relative To Peak Yes - Relative To Valley No
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
But the Giants need him to perform close to his peak if they want a better offense
If they get the 08 version then they are clearly much better. If they get the 09 version then they are better with Ishikawa. And Huff will likely perform closer to his 09 form.
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No, His Career Average Of .345 wOBA Will Be A Significant Improvement
He does not need to match his peak of .387 wOBA that he achieved in 2008.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Of course, he’s been below that 2 of the last 3 seasons, and none of the projection systems think he’ll be above .338.
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Though to be fair, none of them had Guzman above .334
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i dont think it’s upside anymore when he’s done it once in the last 5 years, he’s 33, and he’s coming off the worst season of his career. add the fact that bochy won’t platoon him (saying something to the effect of “you’re cleanup hitter has to always be in the lineup always”) even though he can’t hit lefties, and oh yeah his ‘08 season was held up by an flukey FB% that, if it were to magically return, wouldn’t help him much moving to a park that depresses lefty HR’s by something like 10-15%.
sorry for the rambling again, i’m celebrating the completion of the giants’ offseason moves with a few several sierra nevadas…
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33 Ain't Old
This view that the world ends at 30 is just F’n ridiculous.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
It IS old for baseball
You have to have been pretty exceptional at your peak to have enough left to continue to play that long.
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lol
you must work for the Giants FO!
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No, I Just Don't Live In The Fantasyland World You Do.
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
you live in the fantasyland world around the corner
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Please just stop
we’re not talking about the real world here. In real life, no, 30 is not old. In baseball, a player over the age of 30 is on the decline 98% of the time. There are VERY few exceptions to this fact.
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Why don't you ask Ladanian Tomlinson if he thinks 30 is old?
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Baseball Ain't Football
Being on the back end of peak is not the same as truely being in decline. Most that make it to 33 healthy as MLB starters for their entire career are still at least at that career average level even though they have passed their peak.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 2:11 AM PST up reply actions
Their decline generally is not rapid though...
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Maybe not
but you certainly shouldnt build a team where the majority of your key players are over 30. That is stupid.
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I Don't See A Problem With One And Two Year Deals For Such Players
As long as you are trying to develop in house their replacements and the Giants are. What would be stupid would be to turn over these PAs to AAAA players that will not match the likely performance of said veterans and thus totally waste the elite pitching this is already in place.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
not really
in their phantom rebuilding philosophy, they give aging vets short term deals, and once those deals are over, they resign those vets or some other crappy one to another short term deals, several times per season. this endless cycle prevents younger players from playing, like bowker, lewis, frandsen, etc.
All But Lewis Are AAAA And they Have All Had Their Chances
Bowker will get more chances just as Schierholtz will. In Lewis the Giants are indeed wasting him. He is nothing special but he is an average MLB starting corner outfielder if allowed to play regularly.
by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Frandsen had his chance?
The one year (2007) when he had over 200 AB’s he put up solid numbers.
BA-.269
OBP-.331
SLG-.379
So when he got a chance he put up good numbers so how is he a 4A player?
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THEY HAD THEIR 50 FUCKING PAS AND DID SHIT WITH THEM
FUCK THOSE LOSERS. LETS SIGN A 55 YEAR OLD BECAUSE HE WAS GOOD 4 YEARS AGO!!
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Julio Franco=1B of the future
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shhhhh, not too loud they'll hear you
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Oh, I'm sure those tires have been sufficiently kicked
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You don't see a problem with anything the Giants do
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Simply Not True
Go read my grade of the Giants offseason in either dregarz’s “Rethinking The Offseason” or CanOfCorn’s “Joe Posnanski” FanPosts.
by giantsrainman on Jan 24, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Dutifully following orders:
Some stairs! Some stairs! My kingdom for some stairs!
by VidaWantsYourCar on Jan 22, 2010 3:27 PM PST reply actions
Not a big loss. His glove was awful and his hitting stats weren’t that great when translated.
#1 FanShot Champion
His MLE is still better than what Huff did in 2009, though!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
0 MLB RBIs in his career!
SUX
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I'd rather have both Garko and Phelps,
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
If Timmy and (Michael) Phelps were on the same team, I’m sure that we’d see Huff a-plenty. Plus these two guys.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions
EPIC
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
I always thought that the shape of bongs made them more of a Freudian thing
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
OT:
Jayson Stark verbally blows Mariano Rivera
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Not a huge loss
I’d prefer to see him & Ishikawa instead of Huff but whatever. Of all the things Sabes has done this isn’t that awful.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Schulman:
I’m hearing LHP Noah Lowry might be close to picking a team. It’s not the Giants, not surprisingly.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
I may root for him even if he becomes a Dodger. One of my all-time favorite Giants.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 22, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
As a Dodger, I’d root for him…to stay hurt.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I'd root for him to have an awesome season
but suck it hard against the Giants
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I'd root for him to have an awesome season
the four days out of five he’s not pitching.
When you step on that mound in Dodger blue, you’re dead to me.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I will never root for a Dodger!!!
by 49erEmpire on Jan 22, 2010 3:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Even if he’s on the bench, injured, and draining millions from the Dodgers?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Jason Schmidt and Andrew Jones – my two all favorite Dodgers
by crazedcrustacean on Jan 22, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope he doesn’t wear dodger blue.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
I hope he does and contributes the way Jason Schmidt did.
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Jan 22, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Noah and Jesus
Well, that covers both Testaments
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Signing with the Angels or Friars would be a match made in heaven.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Didn’t stop other people from making the same joke!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Hopefully he becomes a Cincinnati Red
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I Sea What You Did There.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully, their medical staff won’t make an Ararat the diagnostic stage like the Giants’ did.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
I see what you did thar.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants have designated infielder Jesus Guzman for assignment, tweets Andrew Baggarly of The San Jose Mercury News. The move frees up a 40-man roster spot for Bengie Molina.
The 25-year-old Guzman hit a clean .250/.250/.250 in 20 big league plate appearances last season, his first taste of the show. He’s a career .299/.368/.470 hitter in the minors (.344/.368/.491 in 565 Triple-A plate appearances), and has spent considerable time at first, second, and third base while dabbling in the corner outfield spots. Sounds like a pretty decent player.
has spent considerable time at first, second, and third base while dabbling in the corner outfield spots
VERSATILITY
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Sould Read
has spent considerable time demonstrating his iron glove at first, second, and third base while dabbling with it in the corner outfield spots
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
Needz More RIB EYEZ
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
gotta have a good glove to catch those RIBEYE opportunities
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 22, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Matt Kemp likes to watch
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/college/news/2002/01/25/duke_recruit/
Got this while venturing into enemy territory (True Blue LA) for news of Lowry being a Dodger. I believe Shelden Williams was a NBA lottery pick but is now considered a bust.
Win the inning.
We have chosen Money over Jesus
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 22, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Buster Olney of ESPN tweets that the Nationals have put Josh Willingham on the market once again. If they move the soon-to-be 31-year-old, it could clear the way for Adam Dunn to be moved to the outfield. Willingham recently avoided arbitration with the Nats, agreeing to a one-year, $4.6MM pact.
Sorry for the quote bonanza. Would rather have had willingham than Derosa and Huff. I hate thist team.
You know the drill. Sabean calls and they ask for Bumgarner or Sanchez.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Jan 22, 2010 4:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would quite possibly trade MadBum for Willingham. I almost certainly would have prior to the Derosa signing.
Sarcasm, right?
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 22, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
More Schulman
Groeschner said Sanchez’s goal is to be ready opening day, but realistically he might have to sit the first two weeks of the season. More will be known in March.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Sabean was asked if he would have done anything different with the contract.
“Not at all,” he said. “The degree of due diligence was done on the medical side. It shows the medical profession isn’t perfect. . . . Nothing more could’ve been done. We checked out every medical question.”
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Until Sanchez is OK, Juan Uribe is expected to play second and Edgar Renteria leads a list of candidates to take Sanchez’s spot as the No. 2 hitter.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Sabean said any other player additions would not be added to the 40-man roster.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Fuck
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Jan 22, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
Commence Eric Byrnes signing.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Commence torch burning and pitchfork sharpening
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
CF Rowand
SS Renteria
3B Sandoval
1B Huff
LF DeRosa
C Molina
2B Uribe
RF Schierholtz
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
That’s a freakin’ beut. Opposing pitchers are licking their lips now.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
LOLINEUP
/cries
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria would not hit 2nd on any other MLB roster.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
Renteria would not hit 2nd on any other MLB roster.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
You’re probably right. This lineup proves there will be no Championship in S.F. again, this year.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
We already knew that, no matter what the lineup, based on this roster.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
When asked, Sabean defended the team doctors.
“F*** WORK LETS DRINK BRAZZZZ”
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 22, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
WHAT THE FUCK?@!?!?!?!?!?!?
WHY ARE YOU DFAING THE PEOPLE ON THE TEAM WHO AT LEAST DO SOMETHING WELL YOU FUCKING MORONS.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
BE SURE TO KEEP BOCOCK ON THE 40 MAN THOUGH!!!
(i know he’s gone. But I’m still pissed)
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Velez, whiteside, torres, burriss, frandsen, renteria, f.sanchez, lolz
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 22, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Of those,
I’d rather see velez or burriss gone over guzman. But that’s just me. I don’t know shit about baseball.
Maybe I should try to be Giants’ GM! Apparently I meet all the qualifications.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Apparently I meet all the qualifications.
Cut yourself some slack.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 22, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Dude...
…it was only Guzman.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
First the came for Merkin, and I said nothing. Then they came for Guzman, and I was silent…
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
ITS EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I know
but the fact that they would cut him and not burriss just shows even further how fucking stupid they are. Burriss does NOTHING well, while at least Guzman maybe could hit someday soon.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Burris is a solid defensive middle infielder...
…on a team with Renteria at short and a recovering-from-surgery Freddy Sanchez at second.
Guzman, on the other hand, was probably about sixth on the depth chart at 1B.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Is he?
I’m not sure burriss is that good defensively. I thought they had to move him to 2B because he couldn’t handle short, and that he wasn’t that good a 2B either. Though I guess you’re right that they need MI more than 1B. But why not DFA velez then? And, BTW, it’s them being fucking morons that got them into this mess by signing renteria and trading for sanchez in the first place.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Sigh
This team is depressing and its still Jan. Wow.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I'm so angry
They really are trying hard to turn me away. It’s going to be hard to not just go do something else while this team is hitting.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
It’s going to be hard to not just go do something else while this team ishittingat bat.
Kinda doubt we’re gonna see much hitting, man.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
yes, we are all aware that you are angry
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 22, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
below me
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
advice:
avoid any story that quotes Sabean
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 22, 2010 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Professional Hitter
Whenever I hear that term I want to break things
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Man, I remember feeling really excited when The Jesus was brought up last year. Probably because I was tired of Ish at that time. Well, it was fun, I guess.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 22, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions
Sad day.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
OT: Jayon Werth
Free Agent after 2010. Hits a little worse than Jason Bay, but plays a hell of a lot better defense. If we assume an underwhelming performance from either Nate or Bowker next year, any thoughts on Werth in RF?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
He’s going to command Rowand to Bay type of salary though…
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 22, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously??
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Well, I have read that he should be salivating over what Bay got. I was taking it down a notch. He’s been worth over $20 million the past 2 seasons.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 23, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
I guess
“Jayson Werth” just doesn’t strike me as a guy who’d get a lot of money. But he has been pretty awesome (albeit in a small park)
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I think he could be a trap signing
He’ll be 32 or 33 when he becomes a FA and is going to want at least 3 years. By that time though Neal & Kieschnick should be about ML ready. So the Giants will sign GMJ
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
he'll be 31-32
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Ah, OK.
I still think he could be a trap. If we could get Carl Crawford though…
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
2011 Rosterbation
LF Crawford
SS Maicer Izturis
1B Victor Martinez
3B Pablo
RF DeRosa
C Posey
2B Sanchez
CF Rowand
P Lincecum
That would be great
But Posey’s defense wouldn’t be ready by then
/Sabes & Bork
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Unfortunately I’ve hypothesized that Mr. Crawford might be the reason the Yankees have no desire to commit to a LF for more than a year
Hopefully they're planning on having Granderson as their leadoff hitter next year
also, it’s kind of sad/funny that the guy the Yankees don’t want to start (Brett Gardner) would be the leadoff hitter on the Giants
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
How about
CF Rowand
SS Sanchez
1B Sandoval
LF Werth
3B DeRosa
SS -?
RF Schierholtz/Bowker
C Posey
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
My point
Was just that Jayson Werth is basically Jason Bay without the things that people were worried about with Jason Bay, defense, speed, etc.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I knew a girl with TMJ
She once had to go to the ER one night after spending some time with a gentleman caller.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
what happened to him? ouch
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Phillies Notebook: Phillies not big on Giants' spacious ballpark
“Quite a few balls we hit were homers in Philly,‘’ said outfielder Jayson Werth, who went 6-for-16 in the series and hit one of the team’s three home runs. “This place is big. The ball doesn’t carry. Even though the wind blows out, it’s kind of strange. They’ve got a good club, but I don’t think we played as good as we can play.”
Not that he hasn’t had success though…
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Jayson Werth at AT&T
20 games, 71 PAs
.279/.380/.426
Not too shabby.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I remember that
His hittracker shows he would lose a bit of power in AT&T.
But on the other hand, his 20 SBs would have lead the giants last year….
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I really thought that it would be Lewis or Frandsen…damn they’re still holding on
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey I really thought you had a shot
always holding on sanfrankid, always....
Chick's dig the long ball.
by The Montana Giant on Jan 23, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
Is Brian Sabean a Gremlin?
Because I’m picturing: Sabean, midnight snack, shower…
And now we got bad news poppin’ out like whole armies of evil Gremlins, overrunning our off-season.
Seasons will pass you by. I get up, I get down.
Jesus fuck my eye Christ.
Please forgive me for being late to the party. I worked 10 hours (7.5 hours) in the pool today.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 22, 2010 10:12 PM PST reply actions
Glad to see you back. We missed your discourse.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
If all I can contribute is righteous indignation and profanity, I’ll do it with style and flair.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 22, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
and pruny fingers
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 22, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
And a cough I picked up from one of the kids. He gave me a hug and said he was having fun. “I came to swim today even though I’m sick, because I love to swim!” Today I am coughing. Little bastard….
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Jan 22, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
That What You Get for Swimming With Swine
by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
such language
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
fer chrissfuckingsakes
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 22, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
he's not the bastard
it’s his idiot parents that decided they wanted an hour off from parenting regardless of the 500 people that would catch whatever plague Junior was carrying.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, nice to know Dodgers fans can relate.
Grant Bisbee of McCovey Chronicles captures a mood some Dodger fans will recognize – fear of opportunity being wasted
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
WE HAVE BECOME WHAT WE HATE
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 23, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Captain, do you not see the irony, by destroying the humans because of their destructive capabilities we have become like…do you see what we’ve…see what we’ve done?
I was promised lasagna.
That Grant Bisbee
is sure making a name for himself!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
MLBTR Comment LOL's about Guzman's DFA
this is one of the dumbest thing they could have done. make room by letting one of out 900 outfielders like lewis.
he has a better shot at becoming a DH on the AL
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same can be said for Fred Lewis, no?
I would have preferred kicking Frandsen to the curb. He has no future with this team and his attitude does not help. He was given a shot at 2B and did not impress. He had an unfortunate injury that delayed his progress further. Such is life. He will be insignificant this season should he make the club. I would have much rather seen Guzman’s bat off the bench.
But there was one good comment
I think Sabean wants in on the Dayton Moore vs. Omar Minaya storyline
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He was given a shot at 2B
Career games started at 2B: 63. Most in one season: 37.
Some Giants fans think like GIANTS BRASS!!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
My favorite was the guy who said Fred Lewis should be a DH
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
what part of “he’s a crummy fielder” do you not understand?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 23, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
HE’S A CRUMMY TINY FELDER!!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 24, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
CRUMMY CANE FOR CRUMMY FELDER!! GIT ER DUN GINATZZ BRASSZ!!1
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
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Barry Bond's 2004 line
.362/.609/.812
Wut.
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Can you imagine if the 2010 Giants had someone with a .362 on-base percentage, a .609 slugging percentage, and a, uh, whatever that third number is?
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 23, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
please, don’t make me go there
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 23, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
ah, I see, the third number is an acronym…
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 23, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
OT Dinner
So I decided to boil some Farfalle and then fry ‘em in sesame seed oil and soy sauce. When they were a bit browned, both from the fry and from the sauce, I poured ’em out and added a bit of cayenne pepper and romano cheese. Holy crap is it delicious. I don’t know what to call this meal.
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Lewis FaFusion?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 23, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
Fry Ties.
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Orange chicken
So bad, yet so good
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I thought it blew pretty hard. For as much crap as people give Titanic, I think it is the far superior Cameron film.
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I hate “Character Development through Montage” so fucking much
And Fern Gullycahontas with Wolves was pretty much all character development through montage
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Seriously, though, I enjoyed the exploration/inculturation part of the story. I just couldn’t get over how stupidly evil the bad guys were. It was like, ex-soldiers working for huge corporation = all sneering villains. Couldn’t he have put like, some kid needing some money, perfectly likeable, and perfectly scared of the big blue cat people, and then getting arrowed by some alien kid, as some grace note to the wages of war? And the way Jake got the Na’vi to accept him as their leader made them seem rather stupid. Actually the whole final battle lost me. It was predictable in the worst way: I could see where the beats of the script were supposed to fall. There’s a difference between retelling an age-old myth, and following a formula, and in the battle, it became formulaic. Pretty pretty though.
And I can’t help wondering, okay, so what happens to the white people, excuse me, humans, who got to stay? The scientist/tree-hugger types. What sort of relations does “The Company” and the science team have with Earth anyway? Are there different governments? A settler movement? There’s the conflict over resources as profit, and then there’s the conflict over resources as settlement, and the latter was far more important than the former in the whole Pocahontas/New World/Indian genocide than the easy-to-caricature plundering companies like these guys, or Governor Ratcliffe in the Disney cartoon.
But I gotta say, I gotta get me a banshee to ride.
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by shanghaijim on Jan 23, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
All of this.
And I especially agree with your point on the final battle. It was a mishmash of the Star Wars finales.
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I'm glad to hear this
All I’ve heard were rave reviews, but I couldn’t square it with the trailer, which made it seem exactly as you’ve written.
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It wasn’t necessarily racist but there’s something so… off… about the white guy coming to be a Na’vi and doing it better than everyone else (getting the big bird lizard or whatever when NO ONE ELSE COULD!!!). I mean, really?
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classic white man savior
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Na’ve Bumppo
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Dances with Wolves in space?
Kevin Mitchell has a black belt in keeping it real.
by kbsofaraway08 on Jan 24, 2010 1:51 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently we’re supposed to think that an ex-1st Recon Marine hero (lol Generation Kill shoutout) and Michelle Rodriguez being on the good guys’ side was enough. It wasn’t even clear that these were mercenaries, Blackwater-type paid guns … which even then I wouldn’t be comfortable caricaturing so villainously.
But the tree root network deity loves everybody who plugs in to her moss!
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Especially Kocoum, I mean, Tsetse, I mean, the Other Guy. I’m a big sucker for shamanism (and cch pounder), but the whole “Ooh big red birdy dragon thingy only five people have ever ridden them” was enough to get them to trust the demon in the fake body?
The thing is, like I said, I really enjoyed exploring Pandora, and the Na’vi, through Jake’s eyes. I don’t see why a climactic, Pelennor Fields-level battle, was even necessary for the story. There was enough poignancy for me in the story that as an avatar Jake could walk, but every time his avatar went to sleep, he’d be back in his crippled body (I commend the detailing of his shriveled legs.) There’s enough drama in the clash of cultures, they-can’t-ever-be-together story, without the Michael Bay-level explosploitation.
I mean, hanging out with Sigourney Weaver’s character, it was like Gorillas in the Mist … IN SPAAACE! And I would have been okay with that. Up until Digit gets killed and Dian goes wacko.
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Yeah, I thought they were going to do a whole lot more with human Jake vs Na’vi Jake and how it feels for him to be really physically active again and so on and so forth, but it felt like they just sort of glossed over it. I think there was potential for something pretty good in there but instead they told a really generic story that felt, oddly enough for an almost 3 hour movie, felt rushed.
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I had some of the same concerns.
My personal complaint, which may or may not seem true to all of you, was that I felt they really could have given the Na’vi a great deal more emotional depth and general complexity of character.
I felt that they went from giggling joy to vicious anger to screaming, weeping sadness really quickly and that there wasn’t much else in between.
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Yeah, that too. This is the trouble with the montage thing – rather than actually be shown that the Na’Vi are cool or that Jake is growing comfortable in his body or that he and Neytiri are falling in love, they just tell us that.
I mean, as far as the romance went, it felt like one minute she was like “God you’re a fucking moron” and the next she was like, “OH GOD I WANT TO MATE FOR LIFE WITH YOU!”
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I mean, as far as the romance went, it felt like one minute she was like "God you’re a fucking moron" and the next she was like, "OH GOD I WANT TO MATE FOR LIFE WITH YOU!"
Just like real life!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 24, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
If thats the case, there will be hundreds of girls flocking towards my house at any moment know.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think Cameron is particularly gifted in giving anyone other than his lead character something more than maybe two levels to play with. His human villains in most of his movies are more one-dimensional than his killing machines or aliens. The supporting roles, when good, are archetypal, when bad, stereotype. Honestly, you couldn’t get more “noble savage” than the Na’vi.
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This is a good point, too. But you have to admit, he’s(usually) good at protagonists (Ripley, Sarah Conner).
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instead they told a really generic story that felt, oddly enough for an almost 3 hour movie, felt rushed.
Kind of reminds me of Superman Returns in that aspect: not enough plot, not enough character development, but way too long of a movie. And being compared to Superman Returns isn’t a good thing.
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I was expecting at least
a little guerrilla warfare. Not a frontal assualt with Cavarly. Still, I had my 5-yo there (his review: TOO LONG) so I am glad they didn’t go all Last Samurai on us.
Extremely shallow plot. Classic Olivier Stone “THIS IS WHAT YOU MUST FEEL” emotion. Pretty effects, although it took a bit to get used to the 3D.
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This, perfectly
How it won Best Drama at the Golden Globes – and Cameron with Best Director – escapes me completely. I fully expect it to sweep every special effects category at the Oscars, and deservingly so, but as a movie with a plot it fails to be all that original, even in an era where people don’t bat an eye to the dozens of sequels released every year.
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lol
ok I finally get the fern gully references. Except fern gully was good, and I have a feeling avatar isnt. I’m not going to back up that ridiculous assumption by seeing it, I’ll just be remain blissfully uninformed about it, yet insist that I know everything about the movie. (AHEM AHEM)
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I thought it was disappointing, but you aren’t allowed to think that just because we do!
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Even the special effects were kind of disappointing to me – the CGI was great but the 3D wasn’t immersive, it was distracting (though it was cool at times). This might be because I wear glasses, idk
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This is the biggest reason I don't care that much about it
everyone says “TEH THREE DEE IS TEH AWSUMZ~?@@32”, but I have strabismus so I can’t see 3D anyways. So if the rest of the movie isn’t that good (story, characters, whatever), then I’m like “meh”.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
The CGI is really impressive but yeah, go see a regular showing if you do see it, don’t waste the extra 3 bucks or whatever it costs for 3D
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Have to agree. Saw it in 3D, gave me a headache, and so I was completely taken out of the movie. Ended up laughing hysterically at times when it was supposed to be all serious and inspirational. Especially when Jake goes around to all the tribes and pulls out every cliched inspirational line in the book – “This is your time!” got me the most.
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I think the people around me were annoyed at how loudly I was snickering at “I see you” by the 12th or 15th time they said it.
Thing A
Haha Exactly
I thought the 3D was ok, but the movie was so long that the 3D was annoying by the end. I didn’t see IMAX, but I heard IMAX had bigger 3D glasses that let your eyes relax more.
The story was the definition of meh.
OT food
Went to the Capital Garage(in Sacramento) for lunch this afternoon, 1:30. Well, we thought it would be lunch. They serve breakfast til 3 PM on weekends. On a positive note, there were a lot of hot hipster chicks, so I have more to file away for the suicide girls spank bank. Also, some hipsters brought their parents, and there was an old homeless looking dude, so I wasn’t the oldest person there.
Negatives were the food. Had biscuits and gravy, which is such an old school breakfast favorite, hard to mess up. They managed. The gravy had a weird cheese taste. On reflection, I’m not sure if I would be more pleased if it was intentional. If it was intentional, it speaks poorly of their taste. But with a cream gravy…maybe they just let it sour? I’m inclined to think it was intentional, since they artsy fartsied other breakfast classics.
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lol
all of you fell in! no fucking way we’re getting eric berry, getting someone like cj spiller would be more realistic
fuck CJ Spiller
I’ll be sooo fucking pissed if they draft him.
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What?
Why? He’s exactly what they need. You worried about injuries or something? Great return man
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
no, he's not.
If they want a return man, (as I’ve said on NN many a atime) they should get Arenas in the 2nd. Spiller will get what? 5? 7? snaps a game not as a return man? In the 2nd? Great. At pick 13? fuck that.
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I guess
I think they could use him like the vikings use Harvin though. I agree on Arenas, but is gonna be around in the 2nd? I’m not sure.
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Nah
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really?
I’d be sooooooooo happy if they got Berry. Would make the D elite.
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then again
I wouldn’t be happy if it took both the firsts to do it, which it probably would, but if it didn’t, man…
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There's no way he falls that far
it would make the D good, and I don’t mean I don’t want him, but there’s just no way he falls that far, and there’s no way they give up improving the Oline to get him.
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How would you feel about giving up a 2nd to move up to get him?
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Nobody would do that
teams very rarely give up a top 10 pick without a first. Maybe if they trade their lower first and a 2nd and can get him and an olineman…depends on what they could get in FA as a return man. They REALLY need a returner.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
Arenas!
well I was thinking one of their firsts and a 2nd to move up.
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Will arenas last until the 3rd though?
I thought he was like bottom of the 1st round material.
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hmmm
well apparently he’s listed as a 3rd round projection. If they can get Berry, Olineman, and a guy like Arenas that would be a pretty ridiculous draft. Arenas is a pretty good corner too
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Why not give up a second and one of our firsts? I’d do that in a second
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by Useful_Idiot on Jan 26, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
but that’s not the question. The question is if the other team would. If it’s toward the bottom of the top 10 and Berry is still there, and a team could trade back to 13 AND get another 2nd, then it’s a possibility. Just depends on what happens.
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PEYTON MANNING FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Mark Sanchez is better… actually somebody said something here about how Manning sucks, and that he’s not the best QB in the NFL
Lol
idiots are funny. Pretty obvious nobody is anywhere near Manning right now
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BTW
the Niners shut peyton down in their game this year. Just sayin. Not even the jets could do that.
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Niners did it!
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Payton Manning
is the best I’ve ever seen. Better than Montana.
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by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 24, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
BLASPHEMY
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Ya know
I think I have to agree with this, even though I obviously love Montana. I never got to see him play live, and Manning is just really really good. And he’s basically made garcon and collie into good players by himself.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
Watching him is just like watching poetry in motion
that’s how QB should be played.
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Third QB in the league
AT BEST
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YES
now even if the viqueens luck into a win today, there is no way they’re beating the colts.
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LOL
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those are going straight to haiti
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 24, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Haven’t they suffered enough?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 24, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
“the jets lost because they made a pact with the devil”
pat robertson
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 24, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
That deal is standard for all NY teams.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 24, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
as our giants once were…evidently its the devil thats influencing mr sabeen
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 24, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
The championship drought is payment for NY services rendered.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 24, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
Why would anyone ever buy that before the game?
Even if you aren’t superstitious, that’s just ridiculous.
I'm not sure
why you would buy it after the game. It’s the apparel equivalent of the Miss Congeniality award.
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by natteringnabob on Jan 25, 2010 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
Let’s Go Vikings!
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Dude. Not cool.
I’ve liked the Vikings for a lot longer than he’s been on the team.
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GO SAINTS!!!!! i’m dreading what might happen if the Viqueens win… OMG FAVRE VS MANNING OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
No way! If the Vikings win, our homeboys Frank Gore and Justin Smith go to the Pro Bowl!!!
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
because… Frank Gore deserves to get in the Pro Bowl?
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
And if he doesnt? BIG DEAL, the pro bowl shouldn’t prove whether a player is good at all… if he doesnt get in, screw it, who cares, i just want to see the niners win, i dont care about who goes to the pro bowl… That might be the worst all star game, between that and the NBA it’s BS
NBA is definitely much better… ok I see your point.
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Gore is already in dude
Jackson is out with injury. Fuck the vikings.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm thinking of putting it in my sig
but then I couldn’t post anywhere else.
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Who is this Stevhen you speak of?
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
Who is this FAVRE you speak of?
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Mm the Vikings tied it up. I was getting worried for a while there.
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Sean Payton looks really ugly. GO Vikings, if only for AP
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+1
I wanna see the d-line have some good plays this second half too, they’ll need it.
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FUCK DAT NOISE!!!! HAHAHA
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
i find that the viking logo promotes negative stereotypes and is racist
there, i said what everyone else is thinking
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 24, 2010 3:55 PM PST reply actions
NORWEGIAN HERITAGE NIGHT!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 24, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
well, maybe Lars.
3rd racist logo. At best.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Yankees have been exploring trade market for LF. Their efforts have gone well beyond just FAs.
F-Lew?
Why the hell would the Yankees wan FLew?
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Try convincing a Yankees fan of that.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
or me, for that matter
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
Ill look at some stats and get back to you.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions
LOL done, plus Gardner is faster, 7 years younger, and has much more potential
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
still
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
Ya. Im agreeing with you.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
nah
Lets see, Gardner is 3 years younger who OPSed .724 (.345 OBP, .379 SLG) in 284 PAs, and posted a 2.1 WAR
Lewis OPSed .738 ( .348 OBP, .390 SLG) in 336 PAs, and posted a 0.9
Fred has a little more pop, but Gardner is younger, and has a higher WAR. I would say Gardner is better, untill Jponry comes along and proves me wrong.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
not even Jponry could prove Lewis is better. Plus, Joe Girardi felt comfortable enough w/ Gardner during the World Series to pinch run him in crucial situations. He also occasionally hit and defended as well
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
pretty much the only choice to pinch-run
on that roster.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Bengie Molina: "I don't understand why they didn't want to commit to another year, with my numbers and my experience and things like that." Brain Sabean: "He's certainly welcomed back with open arms".
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 24, 2010 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
you're Mike Fox, aren;t you?
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I’d watch out with the WAR there. Defensive runs are based on UZR, which is very unreliable in a one-year sample size.
If Gardner had a really high UZR this season, chances are it’s not replicable.
Given the age difference, Gardner is probably better, though.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
True, but Lewis only has about 2 years to compare it too, so I would say its a pretty fair comparison.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 24, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Lewis actually has a full year to look at.
Gardner doesn’t have a full year.
I checked Gardner’s UZR and he’s got some ridiculously high numbers. So those WAR values aren’t particularly (56 UZR150!) reliable.
Give him a full year of play and perhaps he’ll prove himself to be definitively better than Lewis, but I don’t think you can say that yet.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
That’s all true, but even if you say they’re both average defensively, Gardner is an average CF while Lewis is an average LF. That’s a one win difference right there.
Good point. All Gardner has to do is not tank in the field next year and he wins.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Gardner’s the better player, probably, but it’s closer than this makes it appear. As hitters, they’re pretty much the same, with a slight edge to Lewis. Most of Gardner’s extra WAR is coming from his defense; there’s a one-win difference between CF and LF. Furthermore, I’m a little skeptical that Gardner is really a 25 UZR/150 outfielder, but who knows, maybe he really is the anglo Gutierrez.
But no, the Yankees would not want Fred Lewis. They can afford a Mercedes, they don’t need a Toyota Corolla.
Mmmm I am eating my egg roll and it is good.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
YOU EAT YOUR OWN DAMN EGGROLL
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
Too late. I finished all of them. :(
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
LOL just trying to be like heimy25 :)
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. My God, the Dodgers suck.
So
I was thinking earlier of doing a Fanpost poll of who was the worst GM in baseball, but I wasn’t sure who everyone would want to be included. Wade, Moore, Minaya, and Sabean would all probably have to be there, but who else would people argue for? I thought about including Rizzo, if only because the Nationals are so terrible, but that hardly seems fair – that mess ain’t his fault.
So who else would people want to see on such a poll – Agent Ned? Hendry? Someone else?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sabean’s slid down the rankings now that we don’t have Bavasi and Ricciardi to kick around anymore.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Don't forget Littlefield
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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LOL FAVRE
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
His last pass in the NFL may have been an INT.
There must be some Saints fans in my neighborhood. When the FG went in, I heard yelling and cheering.
"meh"
His last pass in the NFL may have been an INT.
How many times has that been said about this guy? Just retire already.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
Because he’s not an above average QB still?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
No, he still is. I don’t even particularly dislike him personally. I’m just burnt out on favrefavrefavrefavrefavre.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 25, 2010 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
I’m guessing you’re watching too much ESPN. Favre is one of the best QBs of all time, if he’s playing another season or not is big news to the NFL. ESPN will beat a story like that into the ground. But it’s not really Favre’s fault.
When it comes to football, I just watch the games.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Question
he is one of the most DURABLE QBs of all time. If durable = great, then yes. But anyone who plays every game for 19 years is going to set records. That’s awesome. He is unbelievably overrated and cannot win important games. To me he’s not on the Manning/Brady/Montana level, which is where everyone is going to put him.
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
In the mid 90s Favre was hands-down the best QB in the league. He won 2 mvp awards. He won a superbowl. He’s made throws I’ve never seen Manning/Brady/Montana make. Brett Favre is far more than just a durable QB.
Your anti-Favre bias is showing.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I don't buy it
his teams were great. He could have won back to back superbowls by driving a great offense down the field in the last two minutes, and he couldn’t. He’s great, but he’s not better than those other guys. Montana could drive his teams to wins in huge games, so could Brady. Manning a little less so I guess.
I never said Favre wasn’t great, but IMO 4 superbowls (3 MVPs) and a career full of clutch in huge situations makes him nowhere near montana. Brady has 3, all won in the last few minutes by driving down the field. Favre has never done that. He put up some great numbers but he couldn’t win huge games when his team needed him to. I’d rather have a guy like Roethlesburger who will struggle with stats, but will get you win when you need it.
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You’re high. You’d rather have Ben over Favre? How old are you?
Teams win superbowls, not just the quarterback. I’d argue that Favre (besides maybe this year) has NEVER had the talent around him that Brady or Montana has had. Not that I would rank him ahead of Montana.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Roethlesburger single-handedly won the superbowl last year
the defense wasn’t that great, his skill players were OK, but certainly not on the level the vikings had this year on either side of the ball. Yet he found a way to drive down and win that game without throwing an interception. Favre NEVER does. Ever.
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Well that one game obviously overrides everything Favre has accomplished in his career.
I never understood football arguments like this, and I don’t mean to pick on you bondslegend as it pertains to most football fans. People arguing that Super Bowl wins override any statistic to determine the value of individual player. To me, it’s as ridiculous as saying Barry Bonds wasn’t the best player of his generation because his team never won the World Series.
But I know it’s pointless to argue the merits of Brett Favre’s career to a 49er fan, so we’ll just leave it at that.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Again,
I never said he wasn’t a great player. There is no argument against him in the hall of fame- it’s obvious he was a top 5 player during the totality of his career. My argument is that he doesn’t belong in the upper upper echelon of NFL QBs because he couldn’t come through when his team needed him to time after time. To me, football is all about crunch time. Football and basketball players (especially quarterbacks) have a lot more impact on their entire teams than an individual baseball player.
Because of that football and baseball are different arguments. A quarterback has the ability to drive his team down the field and win a game in the final minutes. A guy like Bonds can’t do that unless he’s given the opportunity to, basically he has to luck into a situation where he can immediately impact the end of a game. Favre has been given that opportunity time after time in important games during his career and he has failed far more than he’s succeeded.
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I yelled and cheered. I hate Favre. A lot. SUCK IT FAVRE!!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
THIS THIS AND MORE OF THIS
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by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
I was watching with viking fan friends
I’d been fairly reserved to that point, but when he threw that INT I just could not help screaming. Such a moment of catharsis. I really shouldn’t care about a stupid sport that much.
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by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
i want this
Chick's dig the long ball.
by The Montana Giant on Feb 12, 2010 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
I'd buy it
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
OT:
I’m not sure why, but something about those super slow-mo “You want the NFL? GO to the NFL.” ads really irritate me. I’ve hated them all year.
Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 24, 2010 7:46 PM PST reply actions
FUCK YOU BRETT FAVRE YOU OVERHYPED FUCKING PILE OF GOAT SHIT
FUUUUUCCCKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUU YOU FUCKING FUCKER. AND FUCK YOU FUCKING BANDWAGONING VIKINGS FANS WHO HATED HIS GUTS 3 YEARS AGO. GROW A SPINE YOU FUCKING PUSSIES.
I’ve been waiting for that INT for 19 weeks. For 19 weeks I’ve been telling vikings fans that Brett Favre and Brad Childress would fuck them over. 12 men in the huddle taking them out of FG range= Childress fucking them over, CLASSIC choke job INT when he could have had them back in range with a simple scramble= Brett Favre fucking them over.
YES!!! YESYESYES FUCK YOU VIKINGS. CRAWL BACK INTO THE HOLE FROM WHENCE YOU CAME, DOUCHEBAGS.
BTW, Favre has now lost 2 straight NFC championship games with backbreaking interceptions. Are we still saying this guy is clutchy mclutcherson? He can win every game that doesn’t matter in the last few minutes. Can’t win one that does.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:57 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
not sure if I adequately expressed myself there.
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by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
You Are An Idiot
Brett is still one of the best QBs in football as he proved again this year.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, fuck you
stop calling names you douchebag.
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And What Are You Doing With Regards To Farve?
My view is that someone that acts the way you do deserves to have it thrown back at them.
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
My view is that someone without a sense of humor isn't very fun to talk to
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by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Four Letter Words Are Only Funny To The Immature
by giantsrainman on Jan 25, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome!
you must be new here.
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Honestly
I cannot even adequately put into words how relieved I am about this game. Had they won, I would have been so pissed for the next 2 weeks. As it is now I can just enjoy football again. Thank the lord.
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
But how do you really feeel?
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 25, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
(not done beating this hobby horse)
brett favres last pass attempts as a Packer, Jet, and Viking were all interceptions that KILLED his team. Took the vikings/packers out of the nfc championship, and took the the jets out of the playoffs.
But he’s clutch!!
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by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
Fuck that guy
he’s done for this year. If he wants to do his whole charade, he can go ahead in june and july, but right now it’s time to focus on the teams whose quarterbacks didn’t choke like fucking dogs.
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And if you happen to watch ESPN, there will be no Favre every day. A couple days ago, they were reporting on Percy Harvin’s migraines. Instead of saying the Vikings could miss him if he sat, they said Brett Favre could miss him if he sat as if Brett Favre was the entire team.
"meh"
Indeed
I can’t understand how everyone doesn’t hate the guy at this point. He’s such an attention whore it’s ridiculous.
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No
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by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Sideways!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
twss
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 25, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
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