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Around SBN: Dog Football! Which Breeds Are Best Suited For The Gridiron?

Beyond the Boxscore has their nifty DiamondView preview up for the Giants, and they asked me to give a little commentary about the players in the lineup. Is it optimistic or pessimistic? Uh, well, uh...yeah. Sorry. It's how I'm wired.

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That’s it, I’m out of here.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

Out, out!

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

by jctGamer on Jan 21, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It is our calling card

I had a Mets fan tell me I was cynical during a game at Dodger Stadium.

Lucky Giants shorts from Target > Jobu

by AXmrdrir on Jan 21, 2010 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

This is the cherry on top of the Depressing Week Sundae. Just the fact you were so unenthused about our lineup in this article and it was written BEFORE they re-signed Molina….

/curls into fetal position

"Those that drink the Kool-Aid, please leave the room."

by Kitspool on Jan 21, 2010 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

speaking of our lineup and complaining

You know what’s rapidly becoming a pet peeve of mine? Referring to hitters as “bats.” You know, like, “The Giants won’t win until they add some bats!!!!”

It’s like to new GIANTS BRASSS!!!! At least it is for me.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 10:50 AM PST reply actions  

what would be the pitcher equivalent of a “big bat”?
“big balls”?

Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.

by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 21, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

a "big arm"

"Shave it, and you will score." - Randy Hahn
Proud member of the "Don't Trade Marleau" Club

by jwizzle241 on Jan 21, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe it's

“Live Arm”

TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development

by zenbitz on Jan 22, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

He swings as if he’s trapped in a bowl of invisible oatmeal, and he catches everything hit within a foot of him.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

Thats the thing with some stats

How can Renteria who has all the range of a three-toed sloth who is always playing with injuries be worth a high statistical rating at the most demanding position on the field. He may swing like he is trapped in oatmeal, but he plays defense like his cleats are velcroed to the LaBrea Tar pits

by E Ticket on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

He might be really good at positioning himself?

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't mean he's a good shortstop.

Think about everyone else who plays in the major leagues who you would not want playing shortstop. Would you take Renteria over 74% of them? Probably. Still leaves 26% who are better.

by Sky Kalkman on Jan 21, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate’s projection looks off as well. He is much better than a 39 defensively. I distrust and hate defensive statistics.

Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...

by AngelWillSaveUs on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

This is relative to all players, for the record. I assume it includes a positional adjustment. As good as Nate is in RF, he probably couldn’t play 3B, SS, 2B or C.

I’m not sure I think it’s particularly useful to grade defense that way, for the record.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

NATE CAN PLAY THIRD BASE!!!!

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

VERSATILITY!

I ALREADY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK!!!

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL third base

co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?

by kennv on Jan 21, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t see the point to not adjusting for position but at least that explains it.

Not sure what to do about my screen name at this point...

by AngelWillSaveUs on Jan 21, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It is adjusted for position. Not adjusting for position would be giving Renteria a poor grade and ignoring how tough the position he plays is.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 21, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I just don’t see how useful it is though. Renteria’s not going to be playing LF or 1B this year, he’s going to be playing SS. And Nate Schierholtz isn’t going to be playing the infield, he’s going to be playing RF. I, personally, think it makes more sense to scale defensive ratings by position.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s about value. An average defensive SS has more defensive value than an average or even good defensive RF. All else being equal, the SS is better.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 21, 2010 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course, I agree with that and I understand the concept. I mean, are you saying that the squares are combining defense and positional adjustment value into one section? I just don’t see the point.

Although I think the league average square is position adjusted, so maybe that makes up for it. I dunno.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see the problem. You need to adjust for position, right? Why not include it as part of “defense”? It’s what it is, after all.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 21, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

A poor defensive SS is still better than most defenders.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 21, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Are the dark shapes on the graph the league average for that position?

by Seasick fish on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

Yes.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes...

but more specifically, league average of the included 794 players in the study, modified by position.

(if that makes any sense at all)

by Justin Bopp on Jan 21, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

rod barajas at 99 defense? that was like the old rbi where a batter could bunt and if the catcher was fast enough he could run to first base before the batter could…why throw a runner out at second trying to steal when you can just outrun him from home? thats what rod barajas brings…
oh, wait, he is projected as 6 for speed…nm

Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.

by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 21, 2010 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

OMG EVERYONE HAS A ABOVE AVERAGE OBA!

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Jan 21, 2010 11:05 AM PST reply actions  

We’re very lucky to have a Grant as opposed to whatever they have at Purple Row or the Cardinal Perch or whatever the fuck.

I’m just sayin’.

Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.

by delorean on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

GEE WILIKURS UR MEAN

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON

by rotorueter on Jan 21, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Purple pinstripe dreams!!

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 21, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

someone could have been injured!!

PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet they still talk about that on PR. LOLosers.

Oh, wait. So do we.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

This is pretty funny.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON

by rotorueter on Jan 21, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Purple Row did not actually die in a hot air balloon accident. If someone came on here and saw this they could get the wrong idea.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Jan 21, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a news site!

Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Im just saying u guys r fyve

Blehhh!

by Giant Homer on Jan 21, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

hey, can I stick around at least?

I sent you guys Flowers for Molina

Attention Whore.

by Muzia on Jan 21, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON

by rotorueter on Jan 21, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re Dodger comment is what really made it ok for you to be here.

by goGSW24 on Jan 21, 2010 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

A quick glance says he has a (13 | 73 | 01 | 90) DiamondView, which is remarkably like Barajas’ projection. Interesting, huh?

Please remind me why the Giants spent $4 million more than they had to on a catcher.

by deuce deuce on Jan 21, 2010 11:12 AM PST reply actions  

BORK BORK BORK

co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?

by kennv on Jan 21, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

WORST TEAM IN BASEBALL IMO

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait until we review the Royals.

The potential for one-word comedy is amazing.

by Justin Bopp on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

D. Demonstrate Value

Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.

by theghostofjasonellison on Jan 21, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

D.E.N.N.I.S.

Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.

by beat_la_25 on Jan 21, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Royals Review is one of my favorite SBN blogs!

#1 FanShot Champion

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

I started following them for the same reasons I started following LL: they could understand our pain and they have great people there. I think I need to start reading Amazin’ Avenue more.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Jan 21, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

royals review terms of service

“Don’t be mean. Respect your fellow fans. Negativity and bitterness should be directed towards the team, not to other posters.”

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by DrStankus on Jan 22, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha that’s awesome.

Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.

by beat_la_25 on Jan 21, 2010 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked the UHM UHM SANDOVAL IS REALLY FATTER THAN TONY GWYNN!!

/IF I CAME TO THIS SITE FOR NEWS…

PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2010 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

I have absolutely no idea what those diamonds mean. I suppose if they are bigger, they are better, as in all things.

"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.

-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler

by Alex_Lewis on Jan 21, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

Diamonds means wedding bells!

Also, they are Forever.

PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Dark diamond is average, colored is the player. The father away from center you are for each categorize the better you are.

Its just a quick visualization of stats compared to position average.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Jan 21, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

colored is the player

Racist!

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 21, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Red and Yellow I’m cool with, but ever since those green and teal people have been allowed to play ball, it just hasn’t been the same.

*Hopes the green and teal people isn’t a real derogatory phrase.

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Jan 21, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You monster.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 21, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Just think if they had turned to “Goofus of McCovey Chronicles” for the comments!

Aaron Rowand? I don’t know, but letting go of Bocock wasn’t easy. You have no idea how hard it was.

Freddy Sanchez? I don’t know, but tell your mom I said “hi”.

Pablo Sandoval? TWSS!

(and so on)

"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.

by Goofus on Jan 21, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

I thought everything would be dick jokes.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Jan 21, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I lol'd

and then I cried.

Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ

by Zetsuboushita on Jan 21, 2010 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

Give me spork

To eat my coleslaw and then stab myself with

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 21, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

I really am surprised the spork didn’t take off. You can eat your soup and baked potato with it. They need to make more silver sporks.

The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."

by ResDog on Jan 21, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a carbon fiber spork. Best survival tool ever

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 21, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I was born with a silver spork in my mouth.

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re Ricky Schroeder?

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 21, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Here we are, face to face, a couple of silver sporks

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Jan 21, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s Rick Schroeder to you, pal.

"meh"

by SFGuy on Jan 21, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I ain’t your pal, amigo

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 22, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I ain’t your amigo, guy

by ktice on Jan 22, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure Schierholtz swung at pitches that hit him three times.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

Dodgers are bringing back Vicente PadiLOLa

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on Jan 21, 2010 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

yay

moar playoff implosions!

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Bruce Jenkins just said on radio

Just said that the Giants discussed the possibility of moving Posey to 3B. They believe his bat is ready and if the Giants are struggling on offense they will have no hesitation in calling him up and have him play multiple positions.

Jesus motherfucking Christ this organization.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

by jctGamer on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

Operation: Ruin Posey is underway

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I want to get off this ride.

#1 FanShot Champion

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

TWSS

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

by jctGamer on Jan 21, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Being run concurrent to Operation: Keep Fucking Around with Sandoval

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

All part of Operation: Clusterfuck.

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Jan 21, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

You know

Because he turned out so well, it’s easy to forget how much the Giants tried to mess up Sandoval. His career path:

2004: Catcher in Rookie League.
2005: Moves to 3B in Short Season A.
2006: Moves to 1B in A ball, still plays 3B once in a while.
2007: Moves back to Catcher in A+, after two years of not playing the position, splits season between C and 1B. No games at 3B.
2008: Spends almost entire season at Catcher, with some games at 1B, in A+ and AA. Called up at the end of the year, and splits time in the majors between C, 1B, and 3B.
2009: Made major league starter at 3B, a position in which he had played a total of 12 games over the past 2 years (33 over the past 3 years), and hadn’t played for a full season in 4 years.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 21, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Pablo will ignore all attempts to derail his path to stardom much like he ignores all pitchers attempting to pitch around him.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 21, 2010 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

evidence of why they think they can do the same with Posey

and pretty much everyone else

A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.

by wjackalope on Jan 21, 2010 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know about “giving him opportunities.” I think it’s more likely that they moved him around to give other players opportunities. Ultimately, I don’t really know.

But I would say that before he broke out like a madman, he wasn’t particularly well-regarded as a prospect. The team probably didn’t care how much he got jerked around because they had more important prospects to cater to.

Failing to commit to him at any particular position since his callup, though, that’s been a jerkaround.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

And even that last part is kind of tenuous. Sure, they’ve talked a lot about moving him to first or catcher or bringing in another third baseman or all this stuff, but he’s been almost exclusively a third baseman with the Giants, and they haven’t actively tried to change that yet.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Opportunities to do what?

If they thought he has a chance to be a catcher, why did they move him to 3B, thereby killing his chance to be the best catcher in the majors? If they didn’t think he can stick at catcher, why did they move him back there two years later?

If they thought he could play 3B one day, why did they move him to 1B, and had him not play 3B for 2 years? If they didn’ think he could play 3B, why did the bring him up to play the position in the majors, after he hadn’t played it for two years?

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 22, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

cause the giants are not smart.

"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket

by DrStankus on Jan 22, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Your Dogma Is Actually Just Ignorance

More minor players (not less) should be tried at more positions in the effort to increase their chances at succeeding.

by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see the reasoning behind what you’re saying, but playing it off as though it were without question is going a little too far. There’s a lot to be said for developing a player at a single position in order to give them a greater, more centralized focus and accelerate their developmental curve.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 22, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not like a 2B spending some time at 3B to give him more options. They moved a catcher to 1B. Then back to catcher. Then brought him up as a 3B. How did that increase his chances of succeeding?

And if I’m ignorant – educate me. How about starting by answering the question? If they thought he had a chance to be a catcher, why did they move him off the position for two years? If they didn’t think he could stick at catcher, why did they move him back there two years later?

Also, I’m going to bring this up again, because I really don’t think that a guy who calls people’s opinions “horseshit” should get away with running away from an argument. Since then you’ve made your Huff projection – .347 wOBA, -3 UZR. Now, Dan Johnson is a career +2.6 UZR, and cost $2.5M less, which is worth about 6-7 runs. So that’s around 12 runs in Johnson’s favor. So for your horseshit cry to make any sense, you must project Johnson to be worse than Huff by a hell of a lot more than 12 runs – at least 25 runs, right? 25 runs, over 600 PA’s – that’s 48 points of wOBA.

Did I get that right (I’m going to take silence as yes, by the way)? If I did, you’re either projecting Johnson to have a .299 wOBA (in which case I’ll very gladly take the over), or your “horseshit” comment was completely baseless, and you owe Missing Barry an apology.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 22, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Not The Same Arguement At All

I never argued that Dan Johnson wouldn’t be worth $0.5M ($2.5M) less then Huff’s price. What I argued is that the Giants as a team are better off spending the extra $2.5M then they would be signing the likes of Dan Johnson instead. Huff’s offense doesn’t have to be worth 25 runs more then Johnson for this to be true. All his offense has to be is worth more then 12 runs more then Johnson and it is and then some. I have no problem projecting Dan to produce a wOBA under .323.

by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Missing Barry’s comment was:

If the Rays are signing Dan Johnson to $500K, I’m just going to go ahead and say that was probably a smarter move than Huff for $3M.

To which you replied “Horseshit. Why So Much Love For AAAA Players?”. AAAA player. And now you’re saying that for that comment to be true, Huff just needs to be 6 runs better than Johnson? So you define a AAAA players as anyone who is 6 runs worse than Huff? And yet, you also think Huff is a solid player. Do you honestly expect me to believe this?

You didn’t just say that you disagree with Missing Barry. If you had said that you think Huff is a slightly better deal, then projecting Johnson to have a sub-.323 wOBA would make sense. But you called his comment horseshit. Should we understand from this that “horseshit”, in your world, means “I think you’re off by a tiny bit”?

Do you think Johnson is going to be 10 runs worse, overall, than Huff (assuming a 6 run difference in Johnson’s favor defensively)? That means a 31 point difference in wOBA – a .316 wOBA from Johnson. Are you willing to stand by that?

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 23, 2010 6:12 AM PST up reply actions  

You Too are Ignoring Huff's Proven Upside

I see Huff as virtually guaranteed to be a better player, likely to be a better value, and having the recently proven upside (2008 season) to be substantially better in both playing ability and value. As I said below, it is this upside that Huff has and Johnson doesn’t have that makes MissingBarry’s statement “Horseshit”.

by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 6:41 AM PST up reply actions  

And I will once again ask you – do you stand by your words? Do you think Johnson is a AAAA player?

Are you willing to stand by a .316 projected wOBA?

For someone so strongly opinionated, you seem to have a hard time actually stating your opinions.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 23, 2010 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

ANSWER MY QUESTION

Do you stand by your words that Johnson in an AAAA player?

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 23, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I All Ready Have.

And i will not be told what the message of my statements is. I wrote them and I know more then you do what the message was.

by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 5:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I have footage of you raping my garden gnome.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 24, 2010 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

If you deny it, though, I’ll point out that what I meant by that is that I like bananas. And will not be told otherwise!

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 24, 2010 5:44 AM PST up reply actions  

You do realize that people are going to press the link and see what you actually wrote, right? They’re not just going to take your word for it.

If the Rays are signing Dan Johnson to $500K, I’m just going to go ahead and say that was probably a smarter move than Huff for $3M.

by Missing Barry on Jan 14, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Horseshit. Why So Much Love For AAAA Players?

by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You didn’t say anything about upside. You didn’t even know whether or not MB “Placed No Value On Huff’s 4+ WAR Proven Upside”. All he said is that he likes the Johnson deal better. All you said is that Johnson is a crappy player.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 23, 2010 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Nor Did I Say Anything About Likely Performance Or Value

I know why I said what I said and it is rather silly of you to be arguing that you know better then me why I said what I said.

by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea why you say most of the the things you say, nor do I pretend to. Nor do I want to.

But I do know that you wrote that Johnson is a AAAA player. In what world is that not saying anything about likely performance? Why can’t you admit you were wrong? Or if you don’t think you were wrong, why can’t you stand by it?

You’re actually trying to convince me that you meant something completely different from what you wrote. That’s your strategy. I guess I can’t prove that’s not true.

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 23, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

He Is AAAA Player That Is Worth The AAAA Salary Of MLB Minimum That He Got

I didn’t address initially if he was a AAAA that was or was not worth the MLB Minimum. Some are and some aren’t but none are worth more then this.

by giantsrainman on Jan 23, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The Changes In Position Were To Keep Him In the Lineup And Try And Find Where He Fit Best

If you actually believe they should be dogmatic about about this and just stick with their original opinion on what position he had the best chance to succeed at you are being even more ignorant then I thought.

by giantsrainman on Jan 22, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure what you mean by “keeping him in the lineup”. The guy catching for Salem-Keizer in 2005 was Andy Busch, a 23 y-o who signed after not being drafted by anyone. OPSed .580 that year, the best year of his career. The catcher in Augusta in 2006 was Barry Gunther – 24 years old, 25th round pick. OPSed .659. So I really don’t see what would have kept Sandoval out of the lineup had he stayed at catcher.

Look, under all your insults and accusation there is a thin layer of logic. Flexibility is good. Always helps to know how to play another position. Nobody is denying that. But moving a young player who needs to work on his defense at catcher off the position, then back to it after two years, then back off it for good is not the same as having Rohlinger play around the infield.

But, if I’m wrong, and it’s definitely possible that I am – enlighten me. How did having him stop catching after one year, not play it for two years, go back to playing it for two years, and then never play it again “increase his chances at succeeding”?

I was promised lasagna.

by Cookyman on Jan 23, 2010 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

What the actual fuck?

and you say I live in a fantasy world?

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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs

by bondslegend on Jan 23, 2010 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Certainly, the minors is the place move around if necessary, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually all that desirable.
What if, in my experience, each position (or group of positions – middle infielder, outfielder etc.) has specific skills that take time and practice to master? And that those skills need constant repetition to keep sharp so they are useful under stress and/or when there’s no time to think?
Is applying that experience to minor league players dogma?

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Jan 23, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

(He's never wrong, remember?)

it’s pointless to argue. What a fucking waste of time. “reason” means nothing.

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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs

by bondslegend on Jan 24, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t understand what taking things to extremes has to do with anything I said…

Utter frustration and futility.

by Johnny Disaster on Jan 24, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t see a problem with having guys try out multiple positions in the minors, but I think Cookyman has a very good point specific to Pablo. If he can play C, why would you ever move him off it? C has the biggest position adjustment for a reason – it’s the hardest position to find. If the Giants didn’t think he can play it (probably an understandable point of view), why did they move him back to it later? There just doens’t seem to be any plausible explanation for the way they moved him around.

by Missing Barry on Jan 24, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

lol Jenkins

Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

He was saying the Giants should move Posey to LF or 1B last August, as I recall.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

This is where the fun begins.

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your
employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of
spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you kidding? They’re right there gaining!

The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."

by ResDog on Jan 21, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that’s a t-shirt!

Yo yo yo... I'ma letchoo finish, but Bochy and Sabean build the greatest lineups of all time. All time!

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 22, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t like Bruce Jenkins

I ALREADY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK!!!

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Jan 21, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Any bets on number of fanshots/fanposts about this idea? Imagine the rosterbation posts!

by chilibean_3 on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn’t Jenkins make things up?

say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan

by say hey nation on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

For better or worse, I’m assuming that’s what’s going on here.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Let’s hope so.

I ALREADY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK!!!

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Jan 21, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Although I have to say, I’m intrigued by moving Posey to SS…

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Jan 21, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

:)

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Jan 21, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw him play shortstop in the Cape Cod League. He was good!

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Jan 21, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

on the bright side, he did write a new column about how bringing in Byrnes would be a horrible idea.

I heard him talk about it I think last night on the radio and he talked about how versatile Posey is with the glove and how he didn’t think that his catching ability is so amazing that he necessarily needs to be kept there to have value with the strong bat that he has

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on Jan 21, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m not believing this until Dennis O’Donnell breaks it on Channel 5.

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this some kind of a sick joke?

by deuce deuce on Jan 21, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be absolutely unforgivable.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

This club really has no f**king clue

/jponry

The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."

by ResDog on Jan 21, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Position Flexibility down the stretch NERDZ!

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Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?

by kennv on Jan 21, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'm in the minority

But I wouldn’t mind this, especially if the Giants view posey as a franchise player and have an eye towards a nice long extension.

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by GiantPain on Jan 21, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

In order to play Posey at 3B...

…they’ll move Panda to 1B, necessitating a move of Huff to LF, displacing DeRosa to 2B, forcing Sanchez over to SS, which will finally get Renteria out of the lineup. It all makes sense!

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by EliminateMe on Jan 21, 2010 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

but he probably isn’t worth the money the Giants threw at him.

Is this permanently copied to Grant’s clipboard?

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#2 in Fanshots

by scout6 on Jan 21, 2010 11:41 AM PST reply actions  

He just copies and pastes the same negative comments wherever he goes.

The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga

Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz

The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6

by dregarx on Jan 21, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

All of the above players are worthy of being on a major league roster. That is actually an improvement over the last two Opening Day rosters.

Woohoo, moral victory!

I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.

by esseffgeez on Jan 21, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

LOL @ Pablo being the second fastest runner in the lineup!

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by j14 on Jan 21, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

No way

/goes to check diamonds
Its true and it marks down Nate as the fastest. Where will the VROOM come from? I hope Lewis.

co-dad w/AfDC of
Ishikawa, the Topps Rookie All Star Team's First baseman. Does he get a chance in 2010?

by kennv on Jan 21, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL BillyMaysHere is over in the comments on BTBS, spewing his usual incoherent nonsense!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

You’re just another hater at mccover chronicles. just a little pist off kid.

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He actually registered a new account as well (apparently not realizing that we can see what accounts have been made by certain IP addresses), which Grant banned before his waiting period was up.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You don’t have to tell us this, but I was curious to know what region was the IP pinging back to?

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 21, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

San Francisco

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

probably from a basement lair

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Jan 21, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sign Posey Part 2: The Sequel

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think my sock puppet was zapped yesterday as well. =/

WHY IS BENGIE?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 21, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Not showing up as banned to me. You are still on a provisional account though.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare

by jponry on Jan 21, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I Am Relieved To See Mine Is Still Here Too

Although I have not used it for a long time. Still, the avatar is awesome.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

by Outside The Box Thinking on Jan 21, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually activated it ahead of the provisional waiting period.

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 21, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m Lars’ sock puppet.

#1 FanShot Champion

by xanthan on Jan 21, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

His tube-sock puppet.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Google result for 'tube-sock puppet'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMroYnXT6ZA

"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis

by jcb9 on Jan 21, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

/checks to see what the handle is.

Ah.

I don't know about that, to the groin.

by howtheyscored on Jan 21, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

/wants a sockpuppet Lars post.

by goGSW24 on Jan 21, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

My sockpuppet is having email problems! Booo!

Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.

by satyricrash on Jan 21, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

LOLing at work right now by his comments

YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL

by heimy25 on Jan 21, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Fantastic.

Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.

by marcello on Jan 21, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

He say anything bad yet?

by PiKAgiant on Jan 21, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

RIP Billy Mays Here

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW

by jctGamer on Jan 21, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Play Nate!

They didn’t do a Bowker DiamondView, but I want Nate as our starting RF.

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."

by GiantPain on Jan 21, 2010 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

We were all optimists before we came to MCC. We’re all Grant’s sheeple.

The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."

by ResDog on Jan 21, 2010 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

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