Warning: A long-winded, often boring, essay on why the Giants drive me nuts
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 20, 2010 10:51 AM PST
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PrintMaybe it’s a good idea to step back and analyze the distaste for the Bengie Molina move even more. Dig deep. Get out the pocketwatches, start them a-swingin’, and head on back to a past life if you must.
It isn’t necessarily that Molina is one of the hardest players to watch, though he is. On average, every seven games, he’ll hit a home run. Everything else that he does on the baseball field is aesthetically displeasing. He can’t score from second on a single; he allows pitchers to control every at-bat he takes; his defense is the first thing to go when he gets tired. But, heck, that’s probably holding him to too high of a standard. Catchers aren’t supposed to be fast, they’re not supposed to be especially good hitters, and it’s a tough and taxing position to play.
It isn’t necessarily that Molina means that Buster Posey is AAA-bound. Posey has excited Giants fans like no other prospect since Will Clark. That’s over 20 years of waiting for an All-Star position player from the farm. Sandoval was a surprise -- a beautiful, welcome, and rotund surprise -- so the anticipation wasn’t nearly the same. Since the ‘08 draft, though, we’ve been waiting for Posey.
Will he sign?....when does he start A-ball?...now that he’s dominated A-ball, when does he get promoted?...now that he’s hitting well in AAA, when do we see him in the majors?...now that he’s in the majors, is there a chance that a St. Bernard can get a flagon of rum to the end of the bench?
Wait, wait, wait. When the Giants declined to offer Molina arbitration, it was possible that the wait was over. Not so. But I’ll accept the possibility that Posey isn’t ready, that his defense needs work, and that it isn’t a good idea to drop a full-time catching gig in his lap for a team ready to contend. I disagree, but I don’t think I know enough to be dogmatic about it. A year in AAA isn’t going to ruin his development, and it might actually aid it.
The distaste for the re-signing comes mostly because I’m pretty sure that the Giants start with a deeply held belief -- that the difference between a good catcher and a bad catcher is worth 10 wins or more, that a team with a low on-base percentage can make up for that with speed and sound fundamental play, that aging players coming off a down year are likely to bounce back -- and move on from there. There’s no curiosity, no admission that there’s room for intellectual growth in the sport or anything that challenges long-held beliefs.
Forget VORP, WAR, UZR, and the like. I don’t necessarily want the Giants to become a member of the sabermetric orthodoxy. I just want the Giants to think, gee, we’ve finished in the bottom third for runs scored for five straight years. Is that because of the park? Let’s find out. (The answer is no, it’s not the park.) Okay, then what’s going on? Is it a lack of execution on sacrifice bunts and moving runners over? Let’s find out where we stack up to the rest of the league. (The answer is no, the Giants execute bunts and move runners over as well as other teams.) Well, what is it? Let’s get a variety of opinions.
I want them to examine issues from a variety of sides. If Posey really isn’t ready on defense, what does that mean? What would happen if he allowed 20 passed balls? (It would lead to more runs for the other team, but maybe not as many as you might think.) What is the difference between a catcher who calls a great game and a catcher who doesn’t know what he’s doing? Why, if there is a difference, has it never, ever, ever shown up consistently where you think it should, which is in a team’s ERA? Maybe it would be a good idea to get some scouts together and ask who, in their opinions, were the worst defensive catchers in the past ten years. Then look at how their teams did when the poorly fielding catcher started, as well as when an adept catcher was behind the plate. Was there a difference? Is it such a difference that it’s worth committing to a sub-.300 on-base percentage over someone who could improve on that?
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe these questions are all being asked, but the research isn’t the sort of thing that makes it into the morning paper. Maybe. Somehow, I doubt it. I think the Giants are starting with a truism and moving on from there.
"Well, we know that all matter is made from earth, air, water, fire, and aether. So now we have to figure out how to manipulate them. I think that...."
"Well, the catcher is the most important position on the field. The pitching staff would be significantly affected by an inexperienced catcher. So I think that...."
The difference between the two is that the first statement is a proven falsehood, and the second is very much up for debate. But if a team believes in something because that’s what baseball people have always believed, and there’s no desire to verify the theory with any empirical methods, they might as well be believing in aether, the four humors, and yeti. And if that team has only had one winning season in the past five years, it’s more than a little arrogant to think that those beliefs are unquestionable truths.
Bengie Molina handles a pitching staff well. (That’s what everyone says, anyways.) He gets a lot of RBI. (That must mean the horrible offense would be even worse without him.) An inexperienced catcher would really hurt the team’s chances to contend. (It’s just science.) His penchant for making outs is a minor, minor concern compared with his RBI and home runs (On-base percentage is just a more confusing version of an established stat, batting average.) Therefore, the Giants are a better team with Bengie Molina than they would be with Rod Barajas and $4M extra to save for the trade deadline, or Buster Posey and $6M to buy out draft prospects who fall in the draft because of strong college commitments. This is true because it’s always been true.
I just want a team that honestly evaluates why they’re successful in some areas but not others. I want a team that can admit that they don’t have the game of baseball figured out, especially when a lot of the available evidence should be humbling, not encouraging. It’s not too much to ask. But the idea that Bengie Molina is an indispensable part of a team on a budget is just another slide in the three-hour PowerPoint presentation that confirms it’s never going to happen.
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This should get another we need Byrnes fanshot goin...
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions
999 outfielders?
The Giants have a glut of decent outfielders and Byrnes would be another, the problem, however, starts with Rowand. Is Byrnes better? A little better at getting on base when healthy, a tiny bit more power and pretty similar defensively. The propblem is that Torres should be the starting CF because he is a) Faster than either b) better arm c) seems to have better sense of strike zone-although sampling isn’t large enough to be sure d)gets better jump on ball d)hits for more power than Rowand e)much cheaper than either of above
The ultimate question is how do we get rid of Rowand and Lewis (not to mention Renteria and or Frandsen)?
99 outfielders, and a Byrnes ain't one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 24, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
"sacrifice buns"
are those like sticky buns?
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions
Only sexier.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
Is that really a question?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
He's got so much back
that it’s front!
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Larry Baer was ready to put Bengie up on the Wall of Fame before Sabean had to ruin his plans.
by Section B, Row 1 on Jan 20, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions
I think there is some Sabermetrics here. BOBNWUS
Bengie’s On Board, Now We’re Un Stoppable
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions
Bengie Brings Momentum to Team
Momentum = Mass * Velocity
--
Dan Szymborski
dan@baseballprimer.com
by D.Szymborski on Jan 20, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Those two cancel each other out in Bengie’s case.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
100 Million Dollars, Ladies and Gents!
Come on, Brian! Take a bow!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions
Where are you getting 100 Million?
I have $72 million (includes every FA addition up to Huff) + Molina’s $6 mil + $4 mil to Wilson + lets say $11 mil to Timmy.
That makes it around $93 mil.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
LF VERSATILITY????
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t that end last year?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
That’s $76,770,000 for 12 players this year, not unusual for the current structure with most teams. Then add the minimum salaries for the 11 non-arbitration players, the $4.5 million Wilson will get when the two sides split the difference between the papers, and the third year of the five $5 million deferred payments still due Barry Bonds, and you’re at $90 million.
Now comes Lincecum, and the payroll is now $98M, $103M, or $100.5M if the two sides split the difference, and right around $100M if the two sides decide to sign an extended deal.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t read sfgate.com. Sorry.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
No, it’s next year too.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Actually I think it ends after 2011. I could be wrong though.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Yeah, Ratto tends to make errors.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
So does Bengie, amirite?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
it goes thru 2012.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
and it counts towards payroll
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get that. The money is already set aside, and it counted towards payroll the year it was the contract was played for. So it counts towards payroll twice?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know whether it was counted towards payroll initially, but Sabean did that the deferred money would count towards future payrolls.
armandosdad: Brian, in the press conference announcing the team’s decision to part with Barry Bonds, it was noted that Bonds’ deferred salary will count towards the team’s future payroll. May I ask how much is deferred and for how many years?
Sabean: Bonds has deferred monies coming to him over the next few seasons, which will count in our player payroll.
of course he didn’t answer the question, but apparently it’s $5m per for 5 years.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
When Barry’s contract was signed, Magowan told the press that the $5 million would not hinder the club’s payroll in the future. Then after 2007, Magowan changed gears & said they had to take into account Barry’s deferred payments.
I’m too lazy upset to look up the links but the 2007 remarks came from a Baggs article.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
You know what the beauty of that is?
Most sports fans aren’t going to remember something like that, so why not say it?
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Hard to believe we get to enjoy this much fail for so much $
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:06 AM PST reply actions
we paid more for it last season
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for saying what most of us are thinking so eloquently. I’m still at the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF stage
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 20, 2010 11:10 AM PST reply actions
So this makes Posey expendable, right?
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:10 AM PST reply actions
POSEY FOR FIELDER!
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
No. It makes him a shortstop.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Forget B-Wizzzzz
Posey can be the closer, no need to drop $4+ million for another player Buster can easily replace.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
Posey at SS?
Remember that Posey was an Outstanding Defensive infielder before being converted to catcher his last year in college. He could, in fact, play any infield position more than passably, so Posey’s bat replacing Renteria= Awesome idea, but Giants see his future behind the dish. Of course, he could catch under the training eye of Bochy and Bengie when Bengie was on the bench and Uribe could play SS those days, but probably what would happen is that Bochy would play Renteria and Uribe and the days that he didn’t catch, Posey’s bat would languish in the bullpen as the BP catcher.
I don't think Stealth and Molina really work together...
Stealthy as a hippo in church?
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
And stay crunchy in milk.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
OGC's latest comment on the Stealth Rebuild
The problem is that you don’t see the beauty of Sabean’s rebuild. For other teams, they add a key player here, a key player there, but there is no competitive advantage there.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
Who’s flying this stealth fighter?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
John Glenn…veteran savvy
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Stay on target!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
OINK!!
Cuz he’s fat!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
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by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it might be him but some nerd site says Wedge was Red 2.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
…and then he became Red Leader in later battles (I was just thinking of the first death star battle). Sometimes the expansive Star Wars universe is annoying.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
That site is ridiculous in it’s detail.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2010 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
People that into meaningless things really, really frighten me.
On unrelated note, who do you think was the better Rule 5 gamble: Luis Perdomo or Felix Escalona?
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 20, 2010 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
I am ashamed that I didn’t even have to lookup that Wedge Antilles answer.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
Wedge is one of the more common bit characters in Star Wars though, right?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I think he’s the only secondary character who appears in all 3 films.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
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During the battle of Hoth
He gets blasted out of the sky by an Imperial walker.
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Back before the days of MCC freakouts
Shawon Dunston getting the last roster spot over Felix Escalona caused a pretty major alt.sports.baseball.sf-giants freakout.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m going to make a dancing Uribe with this pic
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
“(On-base percentage is just a more confusing version of an established stat, batting average.)”
This is the attitude that baffles me more than any other. None of the steadfast traditionalists question the usefulness of batting average, and I’d think that even the Giants office by now would admit that walks are generally good for batters and bad for opposing pitchers (even if they don’t show it in practice). But combine the two ideas and suddenly you’re dealing with esoteric nerd nonsense that has no rightful place in the game of baseball.
by Seasick fish on Jan 20, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know that the Giants WOULD admit that walks have value
I mean, they keep bringing in low OBP hitters, and if you look at the farm system, it’s loaded with pitchers who get a lot of strike outs but also allow a lot of walks. I just don’t think they realize the value of walks at all.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
See, I think if asked directly, they’d admit the value of walks rather quickly because at this point arguing otherwise seems pretty ridiculous. It’s in the practice of building a lineup, however, that they’re unable or unwilling to put 2 and 2 together.
by Seasick fish on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
A Bengie walk, however, may actually have NEGATIVE VALUE
unless he gets it in the 7th or 8th and gets replaced by a pinch runner
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
extreme negative value on a Bengie Walk. That’s why he doesn’t take pitches. Any of them. He doesn’t want to run the bases because it hurts him too much. He’s the worst baserunner in MLB history.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
The way they dealt with Valdez, Hinshaw and Billy Sadler...
..makes me think that they at least understand the harm in giving up too many walks. I guess it is too hard to compute that since giving walks hurts, taking them might help….
Look, have you ever seen a Giants player dominate offensively by taking a huge number of walks and constantly being on base? I mean, come on. That’s never happened. More wacky statistical orthodoxy…
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I know, right?
I mean, I guess Barry Bonds got some walks and stuff, but that was the problem – all those guys pitching around him. It sucked!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I only remember Barry clogging up the bases.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 20, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Cheating the game. Barry was the best.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Barry change his mailing address to first base?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
This is what gets me
The Giants had 15 years of the best hitter of the era, maybe ever, and they looked at his stats and only saw slugging percentage? That .500+ OBP was nothing to them? I remember hearing all this stuff back then about how patient Barry was at the plate, and how that helped his game, and the organization that watched him play every day just kind of ignored that? I don’t know if there’s some bad blood between Barry and the management (there certainly isn’t between him and the fans; he was at one of the games I went to and everyone gave him a standing ovation for like ten minutes) that makes them ignore him, but if I were a hitting coach trying to improve the team, I’d look at what he did beyond raw talent and ‘roids and look at what the players aren’t doing. And the walks would be pretty freakin’ obvious.
Fixed
they looked at his stats and only saw slugging percentage DINGERZ?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I wish they decided to call it "non-out average" or something like that
I think thick people would understand it better.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Guys, you don't realize the effect Bengie has on our young pitching staff!!!
I mean, do you REALLY believe that you could pull any old scrub catcher out of the minor leagues and expect a good outing from, say, Jonathan Sanchez? I DON’T THINK SO.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Bengie uses his density to guide baseballs that would otherwise miss the strikezone.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
That’s just science.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
It would take an awfully wild pitch to escape a gravity well of that size.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
“That’s no moon. That’s a space station.”
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
ANTI-GRAVITY!!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
That’s WAY too big to be a space station.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
A black hole on defense as well as on offense, so to speak.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I guess looking like a 40-year-old vet is as good as being a 40-year-old vet.
by Seasick fish on Jan 20, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
It's like throwing pitches at the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man
You can’t miss
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
"do you REALLY believe that you could pull any old scrub catcher out of the minor leagues and expect a good outing from, say, Jonathan Sanchez?"
First off, Posey isn’t an old scrub yet.
Second, I do think that we could pull an old scrub out of the minors and get something good out of Sanchez… it’s called Eli Whiteside, and Sanchez’s near perfect game.
You know, we're gonna look like a buch of asses if this team wins 100 games on the shoulders of BMoney
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:20 AM PST reply actions
That would be awesome.
But not likely.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
nah
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Not really. It’d be akin to winning the lottery.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
I’ll also look like an ass if those “Left Behind” guys are right and I wind up swept up in an apocalyptic war between Jesus and Lucifer. About as likely to happen.
Supernatural's Angel War is much more fun
Michael vs Lucifer vs SamnDean
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 20, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
vs. Dean Jones!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
If we get in this thing, I will not like the way we got in this thing (old guys).
by out machine on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
We're in this thing!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Jan 20, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
This front office operates like an old school organization. They look for players play the game the right way. Good clubhouse players. Players who leave it all on the field. They know how to manufacture runs. He’s a real clutch hitter. He’s full of intangibles. Catchers need to call a good game. Know how to “handle” the pitchers.
They truly believe these are the types of players a winning club is based around. The Giants are one of the few old school organizations still left in baseball. They operate like this on a daily basis. Hell, they sell it to us. They’re trying to take us back to “The Golden Age” of baseball. Our old school ties aren’t just in the statues surrounding the stadium, they’re up in offices too. And it’s not going to change any time soon.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
by ResDog on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I just wish they would bring back the Baltimore Chop.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
I’m rec’ing this. You hear whispers all the time now about how the Giants and the Mets are the slowest organizations to adapt to advanced statistics and whatnot. It should be no coincidence that these two teams are struggling despite some real frontline talent on the rosters.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jan 20, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Chauncey! You summering with Topper and Muffy this year?
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 20, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, SFGate commenters. You never let me down.
At least he’s realized drafting the The Poser was a mistake – Steve Decker, anybody? – and a year for Bengie gives them some time to work out an extension, or break in Whiteside properly.
OMG
There is nothing not hilarious about this. Aside from the many obvious points, the fact that the FO would need an entire extra season to work out an extension for a player is a gem.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
The “break in Whiteside properly” bit is the funniest, I think.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Dude catches no hitters and hits grand slams in SSS!!!
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Rub some oil in his pocket, stick a ball in him, wrap some rubber bands around him and stick him under your mattress
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Rubbing shaving soap all over him, and putting him in the microwave would be quicker.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
You and your new fangled methods.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, it’s Aaron Rowand’s. Me, I’m a play-catch-to-break-in-a-glove guy.
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
I thought running it over back and forth with your car was an acceptable method too. After you oiled it and whatnot.
by GiantsTribe on Jan 20, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Barry Forever is a pretty cynical poster.
Makes me laugh!
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
How is it possible to believe this? Yes, of course! An extension for Bengie! The solution we’ve all been waiting for!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It amazes me that someone who follows the Giants activity in January can be that (insert derogatory term here).
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
POSEY AND DECKER ARE THE SAME GUY!!!!!!!
Decker: 21st round draft pick, .818 minor league OPS, ranked #52 prospect in baseball by BA in 1991
Posey: #5 overall draft pick, .959 minor league OPS, ranked #14 prospect by BA in 2009, and almost certainly significantly higher in 2010.
WHAT R U DOIN SABES????/
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
You mean these Steve Decker rookie cards will never be worth anything?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I have a Steve Decker Signed Baseball
Still waiting for him to become the big league manager.
Let's bring the...
I have a Steve Decker card that I hope to get signed this year in Reno. Also a GPosey SJ Giants card.
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
This must be carried out to its logical conclusion. We must ask Sabean why the team even bothers with the draft when so many players are busts and the only chance for a team to win is to sign guys who have played in the bigs for a while. The fanbase doesn’t care about the farm, it cares about winning!
by Every6thDay on Jan 20, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
bring back bill bathe...dude hits ws homers
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 20, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't put it past Sabean
After all, the dude once had an OBP lower than his BA.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I miss Benito on roids. Throwin fools out from his knees.
Most overlooked Molina shittiness: his noodle arm.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think you will find
that even SF Gate posters are capable of sarcasm. I mean, really, Steve Decker? break in Whiteside? 100% chance this guy jerked your chain.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
I think he might have been joking...
barryforever1/20/2010 3:21:36 AM
The Sabester learns from his mistakes, and I’m thrilled that Bengie’s back, as I’m still hoping to see an unassisted DP on a routine grounder to short. At least he’s realized drafting the The Poser was, and a year for Bengie gives them some time to work out an extension, or break in Whiteside properly.
That’s only a start, though – he’s got to re-sign The Randys (The Unit’s “retirement” is just a negotiating ploy) and Richie, with multi-year extensions for Rent Boy and Rowand to keep the squad’s nucleus intact. And make room for Freddie, who can best display his Maysian defensive skills in CF!
But then, it’s posted on sfgate.com, soooooo… Maybe not.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Yeah, it’s sarcasm
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
I wish Sabean had just done this
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
did anyone else read that article about cost per wins?i cant remember where i read it last night, and the logic behind it seemed a little sketchy at points, but it had the giants ranked right in the middle of the pack for money spent per win over the last decade.
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 20, 2010 11:35 AM PST reply actions
Yep, Barry Bonds will do that for you. Same with Tim Lincecum.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
and Cain, and Wilson, and Posey
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Ha, true, but at some point you have to give them credit for some of those things. I won’t credit them for Bonds, and will only give them partial credit for Lincecum.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
In all honesty, the farm system isn’t at all barren. It just that the front office doesn’t know when things are ripe for the picking.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Trade it away before it goes bad, get some jerky in return.
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
We didn't get jerky
We got Slim Jims.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Slim Jims are nasty.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I’ll take your word on that.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
YOU PROMISED YOU WOULD DELETE THAT!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
lol sexting
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
And then let them rot on the bough /Steinbeckian rage
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 20, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
BLB and Jason Schmidt good years will do that for you.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
along with a negative influence on Buster’s ability to lay off a slider in the dirt.
If you ever want to sniff the starting lineup, you got to be able to hit that pitch!
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 20, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think you mean "If you ever want to sniff the starting lineup, you got to be able to swing and miss that pitch!
by Into the Void on Jan 20, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
My biggest problem with them is the exact things they’re implementing and doing are things that have failed them in the past. Every single thing about this offseason has been Vlad all over again. We continue to pay a lot of money to broken down old guys who when we found out a team of guys like that sucks – and these old guys already suck and aren’t better than who we already have. It’s one thing to not want to give it to another viewpoint….
Albert Einstein once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. That’s exactly what this organization does. It’s insane. It failed before, and it’s going to fail again.
The difference this time, however, is the 1 year contracts. (baby steps)
Actually, I don’t mind this so much, since they don’t block the prospects (yet).
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
They block several promising players, and a few not-so-promising ones.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jan 20, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty much yeah they do. Bowker and Schierholtz are still largely unknown quantities, with pretty good MiL track records. The thing I fear about these signings is that we still won’t know anything about them when Neal is ready.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Fred Lewis, Kevin Frandsen, Buster Posey, Travis Ishikawa, Nate Schierholtz and John Bowker all disagree with you.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Albert Einstein once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
Would make a great sig!
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
it would be even better
if it repeated 3 or 4 times.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
speaking of sigs
I think it’s about time to change yours…
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
yeah, I need a new one for the year!
I guess a Tim Tebow Theme is right out…
I’m glad I didn’t make one up before the Molina deelio
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
Here's a depressing thought
If Bengie gets that games played bonus, we’ll be spending:
DeRosa: $6 million (I guess – Cot’s only says 2 years, $12 million – no breakdown)
Huff: $3 million
Molina: $6 million
Uribe: $3.25 million
That adds up to $18.25 million. What’s Holliday making in 2010? $17 million.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I’m not happy with the breakdown you give, however I am happy that we didn’t give Holliday 7 years.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough
And I wouln’t have been crazy about that contract either. But if the Giants keep going with this sort of strategy, it’ll just be seven years of this nonsense instead of seven years of one bad contract.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
And I was saying, “Man, this sort of nonsense can’t go on for long, can it?” back in 2004, so…
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I agree, I think these type of signings are for job keeping. Every year he has a lot of contracts coming off and every year he signs OK players to short contracts and every three or four years he will strike Uribe.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
the difference is
Holliday’s contract isn’t likely to be bad.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Which is 4 guys who are not mutually exclusive (you can field all 4 at once) vs. one guy you can pitch around.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Huff: probably not (much) better than Ishikawa
DeRosa: probably not (much) better than Lewis
Molina: quite possibly worse than Posey
Uribe: better than the alternatives, but still likely just a backup infielder.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
This is why it makes me sad. These signings are just a side step. We basically replaced young and inexperienced with old and veterany.
These moves are like saying “I’m not going to shop at Wal-Mart b/c I hate corporate culture” as you walk into a Target.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
These moves are like saying "I’m not going to shop at Wal-Mart b/c I hate corporate culture" as you walk into a Target.
Our in our case Big Lots.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
by scout6 on Jan 20, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
1 year contracts:
It’s more like “Instead of buying smokes by the carton, I’ll just get them by the pack until the Nicorette I ordered online gets here (UPS Ground)”
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
my favorite SAT analogy
Target : Walmart :: Mac : Microsoft
The best is when Mac fanboyz don’t get it. “But I prefer Target”.
Full disclosure: I use a mac.
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development
I don’t get it.
/facepalm
//exits safari
by atxgiantsfan on Jan 20, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. These signings, in all likelihood, do nothing to make the team better and do prevent the team from acquiring players that would. Obviously, the timeline of signings messes that up, but the mindset – from the beginning of the off-season – was “can’t afford high-priced players that are actually good because we need to sign some VETARENZ!”.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Huff: one bad year =/= lost in the woods… jury out on this though
DeRosa: better than Lewis
Molina: quite possibly most definately worse than Posey, but why rush him?
Uribe: better than the alternatives, but still likely just a backup infielder. (hopefully) going to takeover SS by May… nah, what am I thinking
Still, Holliday batting in the middle of last years lineup would be a no-brainer INT
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Huff: one bad year =/= lost in the woods… jury out on this though
From 2005-2007, he ranged between 0.3-1.2 WAR. CHONE projects Ishikawa as a 0.9 WAR player. CHONE has DeRosa as a 2.3 WAR player and Lewis as 1.3 WAR – but CHONE also has DeRosa as a third baseman, not a left fielder. I’m not sure how much difference that makes, but certainly SOME. And 1 WAR isn’t a huge gap to begin with.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
The difference between LF and 3B is significant (10 runs), but Derosa is a good, possibly even very good, LF, while he’s a crappy 3B (and that’s your 10 runs). OTOH Derosa is far more likely to fall off a cliff than Lewis is.
Gotcha
I do think DeRosa is the only one of the three big signings who’s defensible. And I’m not crazy about him, either. Sigh.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
defensible
With respect to available players, or in general? Because I still don’t think Holliday would be effective without some support. He would not be a magic bullet.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Silver mullet?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I thought
that the idea of players performing better when they have “support” was largely debunked.
Also – Panda.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
They get more RBIs.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
well now that we have Molina back
I’m sure we’ll have more
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Sanchez is the most defensible. We have no one to play second besides Uribe, who isn’t a bad option, but is better in a utility role. We have plenty of potential mediocrity in the outfield, and I don’t see DeRosa being much better than Lewis, Bowker, or Schierholtz would be. I hated the idea of signing him, I still hate the signing.
We could’ve gone after Johnson or Iwamura at second base, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Oh yes
I wanted Iwamura. But, you see, if we let Sanchez go, then the Alderson trade was obviously insanely stupid, instead of just stupid upon review. And Sabean can’t have people thinking he’s stupid, even if it costs the team in the long run. In a similar vein, he would appreciate it if you’d ignore pretty much his entire tenure as GM.
Yet he did let Garko go, so....
Sabean consistency!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Uribe: Not likely THAT much better than Frandsen.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
The Uribe signing was the best of this offeason!
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
disagree strongly
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
The key is having homegrown talent that we can pay under market value. We’re doing it with Lincecum, Cain and Sanchez. The problem is we haven’t done it with our hitting. I’m definitely not saying we’ve made the best choices, and your example is a good one to show what we could have done even now. I’m just saying that it’s easier to fill in with veterans when you have Will Clark, Robby Thompson and Matt Williams, and not so much with Kevin Frandsen and Eugenio Velez.
Panda has stepped up. If Bowker or Schierholtz emerge, Posey starts to play significantly in 2010 and does well, and Neal comes up quickly, we’ll be in good shape to actually make some significant signings in two years when we might actually have a GM we can trust to do so. The unfortunate thing is that leaves us without Cain and with only one year left of Sanchez and two of Lincecum…
But Lewis 'stepped up'
And was not rewarded. Ishikawa didn’t fail at the ML level, but was replaced with a gritty vet who isn’t much better.
I don’t think it’s about ‘stepping up’.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Why am I getting flashbacks of Sabes' Vlad quote?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
From an interview yesterday
shaundarbie: Did you ever make an offer for Matt Holliday?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed [Matt] Holliday, we would have been without [Freddy] Sanchez, [Benjie] Molina, [Aubrey] Huff, [Juan] Uribe, and [Mark] DeRosa — obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
One thin about all these is that they are one year deals (minus derosa) Substitute Renteria for Derosa and that’s 22.5 million we will have free next offseason in a better free agent class.
by DFAAurillia on Jan 20, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Subtract raises and arb awards from that and it becomes less appealing. Besides, the same idiot will be spending the money.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
This is next years FA crop.
Want:
Mauer
Crawford
Werth
DNW:
Everyone else
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
We will never get Mauer, that’s why I’m a closet Twins fan.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
They basically have to re-sign him. They have a brand new, taxpayer-funded park and a small payroll. If they want the fans to keep coming back, they have to re-sign Mauer. I know a lot of Twins fans. They all love Mauer and love that he’s a local kid. If he goes, their will tearing of robes.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Their payroll shouldn’t be that small in the new ballpark. They ought to be able to get into the same territory as the Brewers, maybe even Cards.
I wasn’t clear. There would justifiably be a fan revolt if the pay-roll doesn’t increase with the move to the new park. They should definitely be in Cards’ territory. The Twin Cities are the 16th-largest media market in the country; St. Louis is #18; Milwaukee is #36.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Where does the bay area rank?
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
#6
Here are the 2009-2010 Nielsen Rankings. The Twin Cities actually come in at #15, St Louis at #21 and Milwaukee at #35 on this list. The rankings are by number of television households.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Me too. Though he’s going to be like 33, so…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
He’s also going into his mid-30s
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I feel 1b is a spot where I wouldn’t mind a guy in his mid 30s especially when we have no one in the system to take the spot. It’s that or sign some1 like Jorge Cantu and lessen Pablo’s impact.
What I want is Carl Crawford and Victor Martinez. What I’ll get is Lance Bekrman and Magglio Ordonez
Carl Crawford Looks Good In Orange and Black
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Looks like a bobble-head for some reason
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Crawford would be an amazing pick up.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
FAKE!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
C’mon Crash. Crawfords head on Winn’s body in no way looks fake.
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Better?
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
WOAH!
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
He is very classy from below the neck
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted to spend that money on 25 Duanel Jones’s tho…
:(
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
What's more depressing
is that all of those guys could’ve been replaced by an in house kid making the league minimum.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I’ve heard his defense is abominable.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Can the yeti Gerald play SS?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
BOLD PREDICTION FOR 2011
Posey “isn’t ready yet,” Crawford is our starting shortstop after posting a .280 / .320 / .415 line in the PCL.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Steve Decker anyone?
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Rich Aurilia will be starting in front of Crawford because, he too, is not ready
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Posey will eventually toe the rubber
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
is molina’s bonus based on starts or games played? so if he pinch hits every time he doesn’t start, is that the same thing?
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 20, 2010 11:53 AM PST reply actions
Does Molina ever really hit?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Does anyone ever really know what time it is?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
It’s always Beer O’clock
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Does anybody really care (about time)?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
Tool TIme!
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
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Pitch fork and torch time.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
IT’S TIME TA GET ILL
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
You been fully captivated by that funky ass bass
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
25 or 6 to 4
I think
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
EST, when you posted this
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
CLUTCH!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Are those BOTH of Bengie’s spare tires?
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jan 20, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
THIS IS AMERICA DAMMIT! WE WANT AUTOMATIC!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
is molina’s bonus based on starts or games played? so if he pinch hits stands there every time he doesn’t start, is that the same thing?
fixed
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 20, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
In my Property class today we talked about the dispute over who owned the Barry Bonds Homerun 756 ball. Depressed me that now I’m whining over fucking Bengie Molina.
then I read Simmons article about Lebron…
He had a point about how awesome it is to be a fan of a team that has one of those once in a generation guys. Every time that guy is playing you HAVE to watch him. His baseball analogy was Pedro Martinez in his prime. And considering may have compared what Timmy is doing to Pedro.
So thank you Timmy for making my baseball life not suck
yes being a giant fan is worth it though frustrating. much more rewarding than the royals or pirates still.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jan 20, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Im really really just trying to stay positive now. I hate this move so much, but im really digging to try and find some light on eveything.
soo… atleast there might be some good to come from Decker getting some time with Buster.
It was assumed, and I believe talked about by the Giants last year, that Decker would really help Buster once he was called up to AA. That never happened obviously, but i guess now that instruction can occur this year. I think it can only help. not enough to sign bengie fucking molina again, but it is something so i dont kill myself.
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Well at least now the Giants might have FOUR WHOLE PLAYERS hit 15 home runs
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
TEH HRS!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
ewww…mac.
/blocks pic
//washes screen
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, they should have more power than last year.
Unscientific projections:
Molina 18-20 (assuming Posey doesnt’ supplant him in July)
Huff 15-25
Sanchez 5-10
Renteria 8-12 (assuming he’s healthy and returns to a little bit of pop) Also, if you figure Uribe is going to get playing time here you’re going to get double digits here.
Panda 22-27
Derosa 18-22
Rowand 15-20
Nate/Bowker/?? Hard to say, but safe to say more than Winn’s 2 HRs from last year!
Not saying it’s going to happen, but everyone in the lineup has hit 10 HRs or more in a previous season (if you include Bowker)
Yeah, the guys are older, yeah AT&T is a different park, but there is more HR pop in the lineup this year versus the last couple years.
So optimistic
Other than Panda, I’ll be happy if any of these guys hit the low estimate in your ranges there.
That’s what Molina as averaged for the Giants
Sanchez hit 7 in 3/4 of a year.
rowand hit15 last year so that m ight be optimistic.
Renteria has been pretty consistent double digits before getting hurt last year. Throw in some starts from uribe and you’ll get at least 10 from SS.
Huff is a big ? (hence the wide range) Last three seasons 15,32,15 But I figure he’ll hit at least 15, probably more.
Derosa is another tough call, but I think the park is fairly friendly to RHB, especially in day games so….
In any case, more power than last year no matter how you slice it.
I’m currently going from “No-lina!” to “Meh-lina”. Swamped at work, but will share more soon.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Q for you all on Posey
Do you guys see him as a career catcher? Catchers are notorious for the amount of abuse they take so I’m not sure if I even WANT Posey to be a catcher long term.
Certainly I think he’s capable of it, but there’s no denying that it can affect long term durability. I obviously don’t want to contribute to the POZEY AT SS idea, but is it far fetched to project him long-term at 1B? or LF? or whatever?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I’d like to see him play some third (or second) base, but the club doesn’t seem interested. There’s certainly no reason he should go to 1B or LF; he’s athletic and has a great arm. Those are the positions you use for old guys who can’t field any more.
if we wanted a first baseman
We probably should’ve drafted Smoak.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I don’t want to have to wait till 2012 to see Posey, though.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
His value is amazing if he can play catcher.
Which he can.
Therefore, he should play catcher.
#1 FanShot Champion
by xanthan on Jan 20, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but how often does this team accurately assess value?
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Edgar Renteria is clearly worth 1 mil more than Lincecum
…actually if I were Timmy that would be my argument.
-Committee forget for a minute about my cy youngs. This administration is paying Edgar Renteria 9 million dollars this year. I rest my case.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Jan 20, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But
Don’t you get more value by playing longer, too?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
The Giants have control of Posey for 6 years at least. I’m only concerned about those 6 years at the moment.
#1 FanShot Champion
We don't really know if we'll see many more 'career Giants'
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
at this point
What we need to be worried about is his value while he’s under team control. Any value he may be able to give us after that is gravy.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Well, from the Giants’ point of view, he’s under team control for six years. After that he’ll make market value. So to get the most surplus they could just abuse him like crazy during the time he’s under control. Odds are his knees wouldn’t give out before he’s 29. The Giants don’t necessarily maximize their value by maximizing Posey’s career value.
Posey doesn’t have a 1B or LF bat. People are high on him not because his offense is good, but because his offense is good for a catcher.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I bet his bat’s much better than anyone we’ve played at first base since Will Clark (except, maybe, Snow’s two career years) and anyone we’ve played in LF since Barry.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
We played Pablo at 1B. Posey’s bat is not better than that.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
He hasn’t been an every day first baseman for us (yet). Also, Posey thus far has 80 points of OBP and almost 100 points of SLG over Sandoval in the minor leagues. So it’s not outside the realm of possibilities that Posey outhits Sandoval in the majors.
But he should still be a catcher.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Posey thus far has 80 points of OBP and almost 100 points of SLG
Meh…Pablo is a rare breed. Its hard comparing his MiLB stats to other MiLB’ers. Especially considering Pablos stats include his age 17 through 21 seasons.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think people are under the mistaken assumption that Posey is “A BANGER STUD”. That really isn’t what his game is projected to be. He will be a gap hitter with occasional power.
And even though I raised the comparison, Pablo as a reference point isn’t very realistic. Pablo has apparently had a “light-switch moment” that contradicts his early minor league stats.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Pablo's a freak.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Pablo>>>>>>>Posey.
Matt Cain: throwing complete game shutouts since 06'. No big deal.
by cain1rstballothof on Jan 20, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Too soon.
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
HE HAD HIS CHANCE!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
HE HAD HIS 17 CHANCES!
say hey nation is the Ralph Nader of McC.-Xanthan
by say hey nation on Jan 20, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
How can you tell he's the King?
He’s the only one not covered in shit.
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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Agreed. He was a SS before he moved to CA. If Joseph is any good and Posey proves to be an outstanding hitter, you move Posey to 2b and Catch Joseph.
Seems inevitable to me that Posey will be at 2b. Don’t know that he’s got the power for 3b.
Moving a player from C to 1B or LF is a swing of something like 25 runs alone just on positional adjustment. if the Giants don’t want to keep Posey at C, it would be absolutely asinine to jump him all the way from the top of the defensive spectrum to the very bottom.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yep
This is exactly what I figured happened. At the beginning of the offseason, we would have given Bengie this contract; he really wanted to stay in SF, but wanted a mult-year contract. So we said Buster will probably be the starter. However, the contract with New York kept dragging out, and Bengie would have been under the microscope from the New York media, which ain’t exactly Bengie’s style. He finally decided ‘fuck that, I’ll just see if SF will still take me.’
I still don’t necessarily approve the deal, although I actually see the incentives as flexibility; if Posey does end up getting called up as the starter for whatever reason, Bengie only makes 4.5 million, which we would have probably thought was a pretty damn cheap and fair deal for a Bengie contract at the start of the offseason. At least we’ll get more epic Big Money/Little Money camera shots.
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
Wait, Eli Whiteside is Little Money now?
You can't solve your problems with the same level of thinking that created the problems - Albert Einstein to Brian Sabean
Whiteside is No Money
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Loose change
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Hey! Look what I found in between the cushions!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm surprised the "We Love Money" gif hasn't appear yet
It makes me chuckle every time and I guess it’s good for another season.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
because most of us hate money
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Only in GDT when he hits dingerz. That’s the rule.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 20, 2010 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
/reads
/cries
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Blue Jays Acquire Merkin Valdez
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/blue-jays-acquire-merkin-valdez.html
The Blue Jays acquired pitcher Merkin Valdez from the Giants for cash considerations, tweets CSNBayArea.com’s Mychael Urban. Valdez was designated for assignment on January 14th to make room for Aubrey Huff.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 1:08 PM PST reply actions
Gotta pay for those Molina incentives somehow.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Dude!
The Blue Jays now have Bocock AND Merkin.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
BOCOCK AND MERKIN ARE BJS.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
HOLY SHIT DUDE!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Blue Jays: Home of Giants Castoffs
Either Frandsen or Hinshaw will be packing for Toronto real soon
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
at least we got some $$$
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
by stealth snail on Jan 20, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
BLUE JAYS ARE THE GIANTS OF THE EAST
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Why did we get money?
Wasn’t Merkin going to be free?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
He would only be a free agent if he cleared waivers and didn’t accept a minor league assignment, I believe.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Sending a guy to another team for cash seems more like a sale than a trade, KWIM?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Plus with waivers
All the NL teams get the first shot then the AL teams get to claim him. They may have really wanted Valdez and offered a little bit of $ to make sure they got him.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Ex-Toronto GM JP Ricciardi was on Baseball Tonight the other day, and he was actually an insightful addition. He had some interesting insight
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, dont know if this has been talked about
But did anyone see Urbans tweet a couple hours ago?
Anyway, back on twitter now. Let’s start with Sanchez: $2+ mil? Really?
Apparently the big thumb thought 2 mil was too much for dirty.
smart guy that urban..
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
lulz
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Why, that’s dumber than a box of dumbfuck.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
/facepalm
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
WATCH OUT! IM MYCHAEL URBAON AND AI GOT HOT SPORTS OPINIONS!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS AMAZING PLAYER NAMED DYE?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Maybe that’s where he was going with this tweet:
Next DFA for G’s? FLew? Can u give him away just yet with only 3 1/2 true OFs on roster (Schierholtz, Rowand, Torres, Bowker.5)?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
WHAT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Between this and “Bengie couldn’t get a contract – collusion!!??”, I have to apologize, but Mychael, you aren’t very good at analyzing baseball.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
The class of KNBR
ain’t gettin’ many diplomas lately
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Damon Bruce might be the worst. Anyone hear his trifecta last night? Suddenly, Sabean signs a fat tub of a 35 year old slug catcher who swings at pitches that would not be strikes on a little league mound and he is a genius. Seriously? This was the move that convinced you that the off season was a success????
I would buy that if it seemed like he knew what he was talking about. My impression is that he is a moron.
He says it because he believes it to be true. Which just makes him stupid.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
urban:
overweight 35-year-old catchers don’t figure to command three years and $18 million even on a terrific market.
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
by monta.da.boss on Jan 20, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn’t everyone have their own opinion? I mean, you have yours, he has his, i have mine… So, if my opinion was different than yours and i actually thought the Molina signing wasn’t bad would i be degraded for it? just like Bruce is?
If that was your opinion, it would be equally as stupid.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Had an English Professor that said " All opinions backed by fact are valid. " Agreed with him then, and now.
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
No, his opinion is.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Now you’re smellin’ what I’m cookin’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
You will be wise one day, PiKA. You will then look back at today and think, “Yeah, my opinion was pretty stupid. LOL…ME!”
I look forward to then.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You like Damon Bruce. I think that fact alone points out who is stupid.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
I guess the question I have is how informed the opinion is and whether the opinion holder had any credibility or knowledge or if he is just a blowhard. Bruce is a blowhard.
by capn on Jan 20, 2010 2:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
EVERYONE STOP OPPRESSING PIKA. HE’S A VICTIM OF GROUPTHINK
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am gettin’ pretty tired of this Urban dude.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I was just about to write this same thing in that other thread.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 1:14 PM PST reply actions
I was just about to write that same thing in this thread
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I think this signing is just a smoke screen so that every fan in america doesnt give a collective WTF at their trying to lowball Timmy
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Every fan in America was well aware that they were going to lowball Lincecum.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I didn't think they were that stupid. Only guy on the roster that we should just give whatever he wants.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I just hope they reach an agreement with him soon. Buy out his years if possible.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
I just hope they don’t piss him off in the process.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
That too.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
I wouldn’t think that Tim would be that sensitive about the Giants highlighting his weaknesses. He seems like a confident guy. I just hope he doesn’t think Sabean is an idiot.
It's not about him being sensitive
it’s just sitting there and having your employer tell you why you suck. Particularly when there’s pretty much nothing they can use to demonstrate said suckage to an arbitrator.
They need to stay out of a hearing.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like they should be able to settle for 10.5-11 mil
It’ll still be a record and it won’t have to go to arb.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You'd think
that’s where the numbers came from.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Actually this is a pretty good article that talks about just that.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Sabes walks up to arbitrator:" HE DID NOT WIN ENOUGH GAMES LAST YEAR TO WARRANT THIS MONEY!"
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
HE DIDN’T HIT WELL IN CLUTCH SITUATIONS!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if Tim even likes playing for the Giants
I’m sure he likes the fans and the city. I’m just worried that management will ruin this for us. I don’t know what would happen if they botch this Lincecum thing. Oh well, we still have him for a good amount of time. Hopefully Sabean can get him some quality teammates.
/question posed to timmy
Timmy through bloodshot eyes: “what? (laugh) whatever, man”
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Tim: “Heh…I have no idea what’s going on…”
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
+1 for use of my favorite word, heh
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
On this move though
I don’t think that’s a factor. Timmy has said time after time that he loves pitching to Bengie, and Beng was the first person he thanked during the Cy Young press conference.
Maybe Tim hates a lot of things the team does, but I can’t imagine he’s mad about this.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Pretty sure most pitchers thank their catchers after winning awards. I have nothing to back this up, but it’s the classy thing to do.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
What would Randy Winn do?
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
irregardless of the particulars
it would be classy
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
regardless.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
psst
(I know that)
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
double psst
(I knew that he knew that)
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 21, 2010 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
WELL, HE'D BETTER /SHAKES FIST
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
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Considering Timmy's hobbies...
and his hatred of the sun, he’s not going to happy playing for teams other than the Mariners, Giants, and the Humbolt Humidors.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He's on the White Sox now
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Only if they take me out for some deep dish first
I’m not just gonna give it away
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Actually I prefer NY pizza
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Yeah, me too
chi pizza was really good but a little messy. I like to not need a fork to eat pizza.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Tommaso’s is my fav
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
bro, we gotta go sometime; talk maps and stuff
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing i think is creepy about the place is that it’s right in the heart of where the strip clubs are
ach, a little local color
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
i gotta say, when I’m indoors at Tommaso’s, I surely am not thinking about the outdoors!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
every time I go there I think “I should try something else besides pizza” but I always order pizza.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
creepy or awesome?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
but...
bewbs!
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
yeah, I’ve never been a fan of strip clubs.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
yeah, nasty. I got dragged to one a few years back (baseball team, of course) and the manager paid for a lap dance for me. She had this kind of yuck smell about her. I was a good sport, though :)
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t like it when I had it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Chicago has the 2nd best American pizza
but NY is better. Also Calzones are awesome
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Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
you people are bad and wrong
Pizza is the one category in which Chicago is indisputably better than New York.
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by jcb9 on Jan 20, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this is an unwinnable argument, my friend
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION??
IN THE PAST YEAR??
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
WE WILL KEEP HAVING IT
UNTIL ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS GET IT RIGHT!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
ok ok! bring me the pizza.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I will have to agree.
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
In theory, shouldn’t California have the best pizza? The climate is similar to Italy’s (in some areas), so the tomato sauce and other ingredients should be similar… We should keep our damn crops to ourselves
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-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Well, if he keeps going through arbitration, there may be a different GM by that time. One can hope, right? RIGHT?
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Oh man, i’m having an argument over who has a better pitching rotation, the giants or the White Sox…. the dude is claiming that the Sox staff is much better than what the giants have in a guy who “accidentally threw a no hitter” and who’s the 5th starter?
If he seriously thinks that, he doesn’t seem worth arguing with.
The Sox have a good rotation, but it’s not as good as the Giants.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Agreed, his point is that Lincecum will only be there one more year…. and the giants only good pitcher would be Cain… Overpaid with Zito, and a nobody as a 5th starter… who is the 5th starter
Uh, how will Lincecum only be here one more year? Cain is more likely than Lincecum to only be here one more year.
And Bumgarner is the fifth starter
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Haha, the dude doesnt know what he’s talking about… i’ll let him know the next time he talks… He believes Peavy and Burhle are much better
Peavy and Buerhle are good, but not as Tim’s level.
With Peavy, though, it might be closer than I thought. He’s kind of a mystery going into next year, though, with the injuries.
I would say Tim is far and away better than anyone in the White Sox rotation, though Peavy has been near his level in the past.
The rest of their rotation seems comparable to the Giants. If you give AL credit (plus park credit), it actually could be closer than I thought.
That said, I’ll take the Giants.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
ZIPS projections for both rotations:
Lincecum: 162
Cain: 124
Zito: 100
Sanchez: 105
Bumgarner: 107
Buerhle: 105
Peavy: 115
Danks: 110
Floyd: 96
I don’t know who their fifth starter is, Daniel Hudson?: 107
The Giants rotation looks a lot better to me, but ZIPs has never been a big fan of pitchers like Buerhle and Floyd.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, Buehrle is getting older and has seen his K-rate drop lower and lower every year. He’s the kind of player that projection systems don’t like much. That said, I think he’ll outperform that projection. Still, I prefer the Giants rotation
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
CHONE projections
Lincecum 7.9 WAR
Cain 4.2 WAR
Zito 2.7 WAR
Sanchez 3.1 WAR
Bumgarner 1.9 WAR
Total: 19.8 WAR
Buehrle 3.2
Peavy 3.9
Danks 3.0
Floyd 3.1
Hudson only projects for 0.1 WAR, but let’s just give the 5th starter spot like 1.0 to be fair
Total: 14.2
The Sox rotation is more balanced, but the Giants has higher highs (lol)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Jan 20, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, I forgot they had Peavy now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah. But he’s coming off a major injury and has a history of injuries. I don’t know what to make of him for next year. Honest question: is he expected to be ready for spring training and/or opening day?
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Uh, does he think Lincecum’s a free agent in 2011 or something?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
ProTip for him
Lincecum isn’t eligible for free agency until after 2012.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Anyway… i think this other dude that commented on it said the right thing… “Peavy, Buerhle, Floyd, Danks, and Garcia? Thats not even top 5. The RedSox, Yankees, and Giants are all clearly better. The Cardinals, Phillies, and DBacks, while maybe not as deep, are hands down better 1-3. White Sox can’t touch any of them.”
Really? I wasn’t sure, and google seemed to indicate it was 2012. Google can’t be wrong, can it?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He’s got two years of service time now. 2010 will be his 3rd, 2011 with be his 4th, 2012 will be his 5th, 2013 will be his 6th, he will be a FA about 2013
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
How does arbitration work then? I’ve never really understood it… so it’s 2013 he’ll be a free agent?
The team says, “here’s what we want to pay this guy.”
The player/their agent says, “Nah, here’s the contract we want.”
Then, either the two sides compromise, or a neutral third party decides which amount is less full of shit, and approves either the contract the team proposed or the one the player proposed.
Players get a few years of arbitration eligibility before they can become free agents. Also, as a free agent, you can go for arbitration instead of free agency, but only if the player and the team agree to do so.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
for example, in this case
The Giants proposed an $8 million contract. Lincecum asked for $13 million. Either they’ll get together and agree on some figure in between (or they’ll sign him to a long-term deal and circumvent the arbitration years altogether) or the case will go forward and a third party will decide which contract to award Lincecum.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
so it’s a negotiation… right? so they could come close to something in the middle… So basically they’ll come to a longterm deal sometime after the arbitration is up?
Well, arbitration itself is less like a negotiation than it is like, say, a court case. The person hearing the arbitration case rules in favor of one side or another, not somewhere in the middle.
However, in many cases teams and players avoid actually going that far by negotiating before the arbitration case begins.
He could sign a long-term deal now, next year, or at any other point, and thus skip the whole process entirely. Barring injury or collapse, he’ll certainly get a long-term deal once he’s a free agent.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
got it, thanks bud… So it is just like a court case. would the team consider doing a long term? Or is that just too much too early at this point? So the obvious decision would be to sign him to arbitration and then in a few years sign him long term?
There was just a front page post about signing Tim to a long-term deal the other day and I think you posted in it…
The Giants, basically, don’t have to sign him to a long-term deal to keep him until after 2013. Until that point, he’s under their control, though there’s no cost certainty.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Then i guess i just wasn’t reading it thoroughly… i’ll go back and check it, so it would make sense then in 2013 to sign him to a long term, my bad on that
Well, obviously it would, because if the Giants don’t, he’d become a free agent.
It does also make some sense to sign him to a long-term deal now because it eliminates the possibility of ugly arbitration hearings and gives the Giants more of an idea of what the payroll will be like the next few years. But it’s also risky because Tim is a pitcher.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Often times, signing a long-term deal to avoid arbitration altogether is a really smart move. That’s what we did with Matt Cain, for example. But it’s riskier, especially with pitchers, due to injuries and such.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Either that or he believes the ESPN groupthink that THE GIANTS CAN’T AFFORD TIM AFTER THIS YEAR!!!! THEY WILL HAVE TO TRADE HIM FOR BANGER STUDS.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Would you like a banger in your mouth?
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Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
I remember there was a poll on ESPN asking who had the best 1-2 punch in the majors. The choices were Boston’s Jon Lester and Josh Beckett, Seattle’s Cliff Lee and Felix Hernanez, Philadelphia’s Cole Hamels and Roy Halladay, and the Cardinals Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter. No mention of Lincecum and Cain. It was shocking.
that's a joke
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
they were assuming
Ws and Ls are useful stats.
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Also, Josh Beckett pitches in the AL East, so his ERA that’s been around 4.00 the last couple of seasons would probably drop to about 3.00 in any other AL division and 1.50 in any NL division…
ESPN can suck my dick
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by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
mlb network was talking about the same thing
and they didn’t include Lincecum and Cain either, it was irritating. I think they only mentioned him as being a solo ace or something
01.19.2010
r.i.p. buster posey I really thought you had a shot
The one thing I’m glad about is that Velez seems to have gone from THE CORNERSTONE OF THE TEAM to forgotten.
So that’s good
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
BANNED
shit
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! GRANT IS GONE!
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I think it’s dividing by -0.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
well
he’s we do need a 2nd CF out in AT&T. And he sure is vroomy like a CF ought to be!
I will say, if I was Velez, I’d be pissed. I mean, he just lost his job to Mark Freakin’ DeRosa.
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If I were Mark DeRosa, I’d be pissed. He has to put the same occupation on his tax returns that Eugenio Freakin’ Velez does without any distinction.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 20, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If I were Mark DeRosa
I’m pretty sure I would have no idea who Eugenio Velez even is.
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WE ARE ALL NOT MARK DEROSA
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Except for Mark DeRosa, who is, in fact, Mark DeRosa.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I thought he was Pedro Feliz
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Scientists still dispute the veracity of this statement.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Until the box is opened...
…he is in a quantum superposition of being Mark DeRosa and not being Mark DeRosa.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Yo skinny bat boy with the beard
Go get me some new batting gloves, bud.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Dude... you look familiar...
Didn’t I see you on that 5-dollar bill I tipped the Cab Driver?
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Rec'ing even though you own the place
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
urge to kill... rising
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
but… thats not Eugenio!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
Forever a “future” cornerstone.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
A future cornerstone
for the Seattle Mariners
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Had the same thought earlier in the day. Haven’t seen as many "VROOOOOM"’s here lately.
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
KNBR Commercial
“Bengie Molina is back in San Francisco…right where he belongs!”
/facepalm
I ALREADY WORK AROUND THE CLOCK!!!
FREE BUSTER POSEY
HE’LL BRAKE THE BENCH!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
THIS IS FORTUNATE BECAUSE THAT BENCH WAS ABOUT TO RUN A RED LIGHT!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
I also heard a commercial on KNBR recently that was advocating singing PODS. Or maybe it was Damon.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
DAMON BRUCE!!! YOU'RE MY HERO!!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Rod Brooks and Bob Fitzgerald are great
If you hate to hear anything negative about a Bay Area team (outside of the Raiders and A’s). You’d think the Giants, Warriors and 49ers were being run perfectly – it’s just bad luck and bad circumstance that’s caused them to be as shitty as they currently are.
"When you look at him, you say: 'Holy God.'" - Pete Carril on Tyreke Evans
Pretty much, i mean, Bruce is pretty critical about them, Gary is pretty critical about them. Not many bright spots one can find with teams that really haven’t won anything in the past 5 or so years
Bruce and Gary are critical in the worst way
There is intelligent criticism, and then there is DamonBruceGaryRadnich criticism
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Didn't Brooks say
that signing Molina gives a good chance to win the NL West?
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Pass me some of that kool-aid
"Any time I watch a game on television, I have to turn the commentators off. They say 'he's playing well' and I'm thinking 'no, he's not.' My advice to anyone is don't listen to the experts, just watch the game and gather your own opinion."
-Roy Keane
by Useful_Idiot on Jan 20, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Whee, Doug Davis was just signed for about the same money as Bengie.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
BUMGARNER IS READY!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
The guy throwing the ball is ready! The guy catching the ball is not.
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jan 20, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I really hope we aren’t seriously fucking up Bumgarner’s development. :(
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I am just praying he’s throwing over 90 mph in Spring Training
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I just hope his secondary pitches have gotten better.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Even if he is, he’s gonna get knocked around pretty good. Unless you’re Mariano Rivera, if you can’t throw your secondary pitches for strikes, your fastball will get rocked.
I am just completely baffled that the club looked at Bumgarner and Posey and decided that it was Bumgarner who’s ready for the majors.
Uh
Did you not notice that Buster went 2 for 17 in the majors last year
but Bumgarner had a 1.80!!! ERA!!!!
(in 10 IP)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I honestly don’t know why Buster can’t just learn on the job at the big league-level. Has it ever been explained how he’s going to learn about handling velocity and improving his defense playing in Fresno?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
STEVE DECKER!!!!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
But what about Boch and Bengie mentoring him? HUH???
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Bengie is too busy being the superstar of the Giants and Bochy thinks Buster smells funny
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
LOL
Really OT but the smelly comment reminded me of this Broshuis story:
On the face of the locker, a single photo curiously gleams. It is a picture of a rabbit, and the rabbit’s name is Buster Posey.
The photo arrived courtesy of a fan letter, and it had all of us laughing.
“Hi, your name is Buster Posey,” the young fan stated. “My name is Ryan Posey, and I have a pet rabbit. I named him Buster, so now my rabbit’s name is Buster Posey, just like you.”
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
omg amazing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I need to write more letters to people telling them what their names are first thing.
JUST A CITY BOY
Your name is Jim
And I agree
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Hi, your name is GrahamCrakalaka
My name is Bondslegendcrakalaka…ok this doesn’t work
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Not everyone can live up to the Crakalaka namesake.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
that is fantastic
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
Other than by playing in an atmosphere where winning every game isn’t of paramount importance, with smaller crowds and much less media scrutiny? Where it will be easier to concentrate on things like proper ball blocking technique?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
To the first part, why would the Giants change their callup philosophy now? They’ve called up A and AA guys to the majors in the past. They seem OK throwing Bumgarner into the rotation without any experience at AAA. The guy is 20 yrs old and needs to work on a few things himself. He could benefit from some seasoning. Why not let him play in a non-pressure situation first?
To the second part, not that I’m an expert at catching but what’s wrong with Posey’s blocking? I haven’t seen a ton of passed balls from him. He seems to have good range moving up, down, left, right. He’s more agile than Bengie. If it’s pitch recognition that’s lacking, well come on, how is he going to learn how to catch a Timmy changeup or a Sanchez slider by catching Joey or Pucetas? Wouldn’t it be better for him to learn that stuff by actually working with the actual pitchers he’ll eventually (we hope) we battery mates with?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
how is he going to learn how to catch a Timmy changeup or a Sanchez slider by catching Joey or Pucetas?
February 17th – April 4th.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Practice makes perfect. Start him.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
“But he has no MLB experience!”
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
That decision confused the hell out of me?
Posey can’t handle the pitching staff but Molina should catch MadBum who he’s never caught?
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
STOP IT
Just stop it. Blargh.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
I can't take these comparisons any more!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
In 2 years after his failed stint with Oakland
Watch out 2012!
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
It's the end of the world as we know it...
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Make 5 fanposts
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Paul Morosi of FOX Sports takes a look at the significance of Tim Lincecum’s arbitration case. SI’s Jon Heyman believes a two-year, $24MM deal would work for both sides.
THIS
The Bengie Molina signing was great for the Giants but bad for the Mets
LOL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
lolwut
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Does he really think the Mets should have caved and given Bengie 3 years??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I swear he's spot on with Boras clients (because after all he is Boras' puppet)
Other times, I think he makes his interns write his shit
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
SO MUCH FAIL IN THIS STATEMENT. I BET IT WAS SABEAN
The Giants could claim Lincecum’s second Cy was a "fluke’’ (a word I heard yesterday to describe it by a management type) in that it was basically a crapshoot between him, Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter and aided by two stat guys thinking Javier Vazquez should be in the top three
Yeah, try winning with that argument. “He should’ve possibly only been third in the Cy Young voting! That’s awful!”
not only that
but 3rd in one of the closest CY Young races of all time!
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
3rd Cy Young, At Best
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
It sure was a fluke that he was at the very least one of the top three pitchers in the league. What a total random stroke of luck.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
that
is exactly the kind of tripe that is dragged out in a salary arb, which is why the Giants should shun it. I’d have a hard time respecting a team that told me something like that.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
SportsNation poll
Will Tim Lincecum pitch for the Giants the remainder of his career?
Yes – 20%
No – 80%
New Mexico is the only state that says YES.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
I’ve often wondered about living in New Mexico. It seems like a delightful place.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
No baseball
I couldn’t do it.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Albuquerque Isotopes!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Dodgers affiliate
Can’t do it.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Rampant unemployment and heavy meth use right now.
But other than that!
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn’t this be true with most major leaguers now?
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 20, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Even before the free agency era, it's probably true that most players didn't spend their whole career with one team
For example:
Willie Mays
Willie McCovey
Orlando Cepeda
Juan Marichal
Gaylord Perry
Babe Ruth
Rogers Horsnby
Christy Mathewson
Hank Aaron
etc.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Has there ever been an SF career Giant? I can’t name one, off the top of my head…
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Marvin Benard!
etc.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Torcato
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
Colin Ward!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wardco01.shtml
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
LIES!
Traded by the San Francisco Giants with Steve Miller (minors) to the San Diego Padres for Tim Meagher (minors) and Mark Wasinger.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 20, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
AAAGH
I AM BURNING MY COLIN WARD JERSEY! WORST BETRAYAL SINCE MATHEWSON!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
All I got out of this is that you have a burning colon. Spicy food for lunch, maybe?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
You’d have to set some sort of minimum for years or ABs or something. Maybe ten years? I’m sure there are plenty of guys who only played part of one or a couple of season in the majors for the same team…
The best one ever would be
Mel Ott.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Also
Juan Marichal came very close. All but 13 games at the end of his career were as a Giant.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
stupid Christy Mathewson
pitching one game for the Reds. Traitor!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
DAMN YOU THE CHRISTIAN GENTLEMAN!!!
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Mel Ott was the fucking man
Just for the record
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
by jponry on Jan 20, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just for the record
Rec’d
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
uh... ROBBY THOMPSON
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
Sorta
He played for the Indians in 1997 as a non-roster invitee. Didn’t make the team, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Even with his gritty veteran savvy?
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Your sig is fascinating.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
Well, people kept getting me and Natto confused.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
and your sig is depressing :(
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Does Marvin Benard count?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
He’s only 25. I don’t think it’s possible for a team to remain with one team for the course of their career anymore. No onus on either player or team, but the one-team-forever people are very rare and anyone who says they want it is usually bullshitting.
JUST A CITY BOY
Well, there are some recent players who’ve done it, so clearly it’s POSSIBLE. But very unlikely.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I think
face of the franchise types tend not to change franchises very often, simply because of fan revolt. So players like Tim and Pablo, who essentially became faces of the franchise early in their careers are among the likeliest to stay in one place.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
If he signs a two year deal, do we lose the last 2 arb-eligable years, and he becomes a FA after that?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
No, we would still have those two years
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Ok I thought so. It just goes back to arbitration proceedings after the contract is up?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
LOL GIANTS
He is 40-17 in his career, including 33-12 with a 2.55 ERA during the twin Cy Young seasons. The Giants have a 163-204 record — or .444 winning percentage — on the sad occasions when Lincecum has not taken the mound for them since his debut on May 6, 2007
.
That non-Lincecum record is simply amazing
He is the new Bonds. At least no one will ever accuse him of taking drugs. Wait a minute.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Hey, look!
Fangraphs linked to MCC (and called us “the hipper crowd”):
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/im-with-popo-molina-returns-to-the-giants
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
They probably mean the “hippo” crowd.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
omg
I only just got the title even though I understood the Conan analogy throughout the article
/facepalm
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I've been watching too much Dragon Ball Z
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
holy crap! i just noticed that.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
IT'S HIP TO BE SQUARE!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
The Fish Stinks at the Head
we think it’s Sabean, but follow the money and you’ll land right in the lap of Larry Baer. Short-term, marketing driven planning is what’s got the Giants where they are today. They wasted so many of the Bonds years, and now are poised to do the same with this pitching staff. Larry Baer.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
My adopted Giant will challenge this man to a debate over the merits of the current strategy of the organization AFTER he cashes the check for the new tv deal.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
what if...
they pulled a fat one on bengie and fully intend on posey starting, only resigning molina as a backup without telling him.
They definitely “pulled a fat one.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
They definately didn’t pull a “fast one”
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of that, when will the draft take place?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Pipe dream for the season
The Giants head into the all-star break 3 games out of the wild card and 6 out of the division on the backs of a once again fabulous performance by their pitching staff and despite hideous performances from Edgar Renteria and Bengie Molina.
Brian Sabean, realizing that the Giants need more offense to make it to the playoffs and understanding that Renteria and Molina are dead weight, calls up Buster Posey from AAA, where he has been having a fantastic season, and finally pulls the trigger on a trade for Dan Uggla, shifting Freddy Sanchez over to short stop.
Uggla combines with a repeat performance from Pablo Sandoval and resurgent years from Mark DeRosa and Aubrey Huff, as well as Buster Posey’s quick start out of the gate to propel the Giants into the wildcard lead until, in the last week of the season, they overcome the dodgers to win the national league west.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
You forgot
Thomas Neal destroys the Eastern League with the fire of a thousand suns and is called up after the trade deadline and continues his rampage, in a major league setting, and becomes entrenched in LF for years to come.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Hmm
I think part of this pipe dream was an awesome year by Nate Schierholtz, who has finally been taught plate discipline by Hensley Meulens (he set up a tee and had Nate stare at it without swinging for 4 hours) and posts a 295/360/440 line, so I don’t know where Neal fits in.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
DeRosa can get injured or something
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Hmm
I’d rather have Huff injured than DeRosa, since he’s only signed for a year.
So Aubrey Huff has a monster first half, hitting 300 with 25 home runs before the all star break. He then acquires crippling boneitis, which ends his season. (but to be nice to Aubrey, he makes a full recovery and gets a nice contract at the end of the year from the Twins, or some other team I don’t care about)
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Or Sabean flips Huff to someone for a few good prospects
Hoorayyy
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Because that happens all the time.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Did you forget about Sanchez and Gark-oohhhh... wrong way with the prospects :-(
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
That works too
I like this dream
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I love it when a post delivers on its title.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Jan 20, 2010 3:17 PM PST reply actions
Did you just flag yourself?
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
No one has even attempted that since Juanito Valdez in ’89! And I think we all remember what happened then.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
How could you? You weren’t born yet.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
Mr. F! | comics | art | New Nattowear | Unofficial McImage Directory
Maybe real baseball games are decided by more than WAR ratings. Anyone watching the Giants the last few years had to have seen that Bengie, with all of his flaws, had more heart and clutch hits than any other player on the team. He deserves another year and Posey deserves the proper time to develop.
The Giants will begin the rebuilding of their offense next year. Posey, Crawford, Pill and perhaps Neal or Kieshnick will be ready to play. The team will lose more games but they will be younger. You should all be sooo happy.
Ishikawa, Lewis, Bowker etc are not prospects they are backups. Watch the games!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
uh-oh
jponry snapped
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
YEAH! Maybe if you nerds had ever PLAYED the game you would understand.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
damn nerbs
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Who are you and what have you done with jponry?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
If Crawford is ready to play next year, I’ll eat my own pants.
And I say this as someone who’s mildly pro-Crawford, mind you.
Note I didn’t say I’ll eat my pants if the Giants SAY Crawford is ready. It’s just that he won’t be.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Was this supposed to be posted as “jporny”?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
She forgot to log on to her secondary account, giantsrainwoman.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Are you calling satyricrash giantsrainwoman?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
maybe I am, maybe I aren’t.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Have you been hanging out with Natto this morning ?
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
well
They are kind of backup quality players. Even Lewis, whom I like. The problem I think most of us have is “Why replace young back up players with veteran back up players” (DeRosa, Uribe, Huff). I mean we know Renteria and Sanchy (model F) are proven ML veteran all-stars.
TEMPORARY SIG AWAITING FINAL SABEAN APOCALYPSE
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game in development
I loved when Sabean said something along the lines of he loved the way F. Sanchez hit for the Giants after they acquired him. He hit: .284/.295/.324 which is like a Manny Burriss slash-line.
#1 FanShot Champion
As I recall
He said something like, “You can’t deny how good he was for us when healthy.”
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Was he ever healthy?
I mean, fully healthy, not just on the field
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Maybe he was talking about the way he walked up to the plate, or held his bat or something, but not the actual results.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Sadly
We all know he was talking about the results. .284 average.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
It’s funny how a paragraph that contains “Fred Lewis” must also contain “The problem”
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
it;s science
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
1. Peguero
2. Crawford
3. Neal
4. Sandoval
5. Posey
6. Kieschnik
7. Noonan
8. Gillaspie
9. Bumgarner
Someday, when this is our lineup, we will look back on this signing, and still be really angry.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 3:58 PM PST reply actions
/Peguero swings at first pitch of game…flies out
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 20, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Still better than our current lineup.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
/Lincecum strikes out side
and walks to visitors’ dugout
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
/opens cooler full of choco tacos he had installed
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
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/opens bag of “special” cookies
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
/passes on over to me
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
That one’s just mean.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
Something about that lineup seems wrong.
I know…it’s missing Rowand!
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Just in case anyone's forgotten
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Only cause Dayton Moore got to him first.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, give it time – he’s only 27! Soon enough, he’ll be on the same Royals-castoff-to-Giants-starter pipeline that gave us Neifi Perez and Michael Tucker.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Please, for the love of god, don’t suggest starting him.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He hit two triples in one game once!
Thats the kind of table-setter the Giants need!
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
SS Depth Chart
1-Edgar Renteria
2-Tony Pena Jr
3-Ryan Rohlinger
4-Freddy Sanchez
5-Bengie Molina
oh and Kevin Frandsen
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Wow, Bengie’s OBP was ten points lower than Rios and Barmes despite having a batting average 20 points higher. It would seriously be difficult to only walk 13 times in 500 plate appearances!
He didn’t walk at all until, like, mid-May. His first walk came in the Pablo walk-off home run game – May 12 now that I check.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
That’s incredible. Even in MLB, there are plenty of times when a guy is wild enough that he’ll throw four straight balls that aren’t even that close if you let him…
Playaz, they gon’ play
Hackaz, they gonna hack
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Molina got into three ball counts quite often, but of course, he’d just swing at everything afterwards.
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I looked at it as
Rios, Barmes and Betancourt stink more than Bengie.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 20, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
What's your point?
We should go get Clint Barmes, is that it?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
So I had a question...
I don’t think the question can be answered by WAR or UZR, etc. but here goes.
The Giants, mostly Bork, started saying Posey wasn’t ready somewhere around October last year due to some defensive/game calling deficiencies and now I’m starting to see this idea reflected in national outlets which tend to be objective.
There is a quote in one of the articles about Bengie returning where Affeldt is quoted as saying that it makes him happy to have Bengie back and more comfortable/confident and that apparently Lincecum will feel this way also.
Can we agree that the Giants recognize that the strength of the team is the pitching staff, top to bottom? If so, you want to make sure that you put your team in a position to maximize that benefit, right? If Affeldt is saying this to a reporter, than it’s fair to assume this has been discussed in the pen, on the plane, etc. For whatever, reason Bengie appears to provide the pitchers with some level of comfort/confidence they aren’t getting from Buster or apparently anyone else currently employed by the Giants.
Let’s say hypothetically that Buster starts the year and he misses a couple of sliders/curves in the dirt. Do you think the staff doesn’t notice this? Do you think this has no effect on the fragile psyches of Sanchez and Zito or the young, not as confident, arms of Runzler,Jaoquin. Given that the Giants paid market value to have Bengie back and he will not be batting cleanup isn’t this move ok? Especially given that his offensive production is pretty much league average for his position.
Also, given that it’s a 1 year deal, they have no choice but to seed Posey in during the year once he works out his kinks in the minors, and thus proves himself to the staff. Because, they still have to prepare him to take over in 2011.
All in all this seems somewhat intelligent on the Giants part (shocking, I know).
I’m not arguing that the Giants evaluation style is better than what we think it is but in this case they may have actually done the right thing. Seeing the players as flawed human beings who need to be put in the position to win unlike UZR/WAR/etc. which only look at the numbers (yes, I do recognize the value in those stats, I just don’t think they answer every question).
What do you guys think?
"Matt Cain will save the children, but not the Dodger children" - I realize this is jponry's signature but I wanted to emphasize it because it is so damn genius on several levels at once.
by I own a Kayak and I'm not sure why now on Jan 20, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions
I call bullshit. That’s what I think.
They were probably just gonna miss the food that Bengie constantly had with him.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
they were going to miss the chiclet.
"Matt Cain will save the children, but not the Dodger children" - I realize this is jponry's signature but I wanted to emphasize it because it is so damn genius on several levels at once.
by I own a Kayak and I'm not sure why now on Jan 20, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think this has no effect on the fragile psyches of Sanchez and Zito or the young, not as confident, arms of Runzler,Jaoquin.
Yeah, plunk a catcher out of the minor leagues and there’s no way a guy like Sanchez is going to have a good start.
Also, Bengie’s defense at this point isn’t very good.
Also, there’s really no evidence that catchers have a significant effect on pitchers’ performance in any measurable way.
Also, guys like Runzler and Joaquin have a lot more experience pitching to Posey than they do to Bengie.
Also, there’s no such thing as UZR for catchers.
Especially given that his offensive production is pretty much league average for his position.
The nine catchers with at least 450 PA last year, sorted by OPS:
1) Joe Mauer 1.031
2) Victor Martinez .861
3) Brian McCann .834
4) A.J. Pierzynski .755
5) Yadier Molina .749
6) Kurt Suzuki .734
7) Bengie Molina .727
8) Suck It Russell Martin .680
9) Jason Kendall .636
Of course, OPS overvalues SLG and undervalues OBP….and Bengie was 9th of 9 in OBP. Oops.
and now I’m starting to see this idea reflected in national outlets which tend to be objective.
Now this is just funny.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
wOBA ftw
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
yeah
I’m just being lazy and using ESPN.com’s sortable stats because they’re idiot proof.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Fangraphs is, of course, better
espn.com’s sortable stats are just really quick to check.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
hmmm
according to fangraphs, there were 12 catchers with 450 PA last year, you’re missing Montero, Laird and Barajas. Molina is 8th in wOBA, ahead of Martin, Kendall, Laird and Barajas.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Fucking ESPN.com.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
haha
Your list is right for 500 PA, or 450 ABs. In any case, Bengie is 7th of the 9 in your list by wOBA.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
You may have a point..
but that would require some serious analysis on Sabeans part. Asking questions, entertaining an alternative thought process. I really don’t want to give him that much credit.
I think it was more like RBI"Z, VETERAN GAMERZ
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Whoa, dude – you gotta make your own signature. I start thinking this is a jponry post when I first glance at it, even with your disclaimer.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I’m guessing Affeldt was just the first pitcher interviewed. None of them are going to criticize the new/old catcher.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Exactly
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Would Buster missing a few breaking balls in the dirt be different from Molina?
Seriously, Molina didn’t have a great time blocking balls last season, yet no one’s talking about what it would do for the pitchers’ psyche’s if he had a few bad first games defensively.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
BUT HE CALLS A GOOD GAME
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
NO WAY A CATCHER FRESH FROM THE MINORS COULD CALL AS GOOD A GAME!
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
This is most likely, I just like to fantasize.
"Matt Cain will save the children, but not the Dodger children" - I realize this is jponry's signature but I wanted to emphasize it because it is so damn genius on several levels at once.
by I own a Kayak and I'm not sure why now on Jan 20, 2010 4:49 PM PST reply actions
But, Grant, did you look at Bengie’s RBI totals? I mean, really look at them?
It’s a big number. It takes the IT guys about eight minutes to count that high. That’s more important than whatever mumbo-jumbo you said just now.
if they could get that 486 working, they wouldn’t have to count. dumbfucks.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
As a Phillies fan
Can I just say how disappointed I am that the Mets did not get Bengie Molina?
Fire Andy Reid - From horrible clock management to wasted timeouts to using the pass to set up the pass, he is one of the worst gameday coaches in the league.
A few days ago I was “meh” about the 2010 Giants. Now all I can think is “another year of Molina, Rowand, Renteria, and Bochy”…and it makes me want to poke my eyes out. This is why I am starting to prefer minor league games. I’d rather watch a young guy with promise like Posey, Bowker, Guzman and Bumgarner play on a small stage than a bunch of veteran scrubs getting destroyed by a shit team’s #5 starter night after night.
I like cats. Wings is the greatest show of all time.
Tyler Graham is my favorite San Jose Giant because he has smart balls.
Giants sign pitcher
Per Rotoworld
Giants signed RHP Santiago Casilla to a minor league contract.
Casilla was released by the Athletics rather than pay him through the arbitration process. The 29-year old posted a 5.95 ERA in 46 games in 2009, but has shown flashes of being a good reliever. His command is what holds him back, and he’ll try to make his way back to the majors in San Francisco.
Fangraphs says he throws a 94 mph fastball and a slider. Career K/9 of 7.75 but a career BB/9 of 4.49. Career FIP of 4.70
#1 FanShot Champion
Seriously?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
No, he did busted for having a fake birth certificate
He was formerly known as Jairo Garcia
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Also
fuck the dodgers. Also, Carlos Pena, Andre Either and Mark Teahen were once drafted by the A’s
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
Yea, it’s not that bad, a minor league contract, he’ll be a possibility in the bullpen sometime in the year, why not
/prays: Please be 2010 Uribe, Please be 2010 Uribe, Please be 2010 Uribe….
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
I really like this move. If I remember correctly, he had a damn good run in Oakland and has a great slider.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
I hope he makes the team. I like him.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
They could go to Iowa.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Whats the drinking age there?
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Read that as...
he had a damn good run in Oakland and is a great soldier.
Unlike Bowkermania or The Problem™
Santiago "Jairo Garcia" Casilla
similar to the Pedro’s cousin signing
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
REMEMBER WHEN HE WAS JAIRO GARCIA???
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
So many nickname possibilities
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
NO I DON’T
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
For those who want to take the edge of their RAGE
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At least Bengie’s BABIP was .09 below average last year, which means a prediction of a batting avg of close to .270, 18 homers, 75 RBIs,
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
Rxmeister in training?
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That article makes some good points about Bengie’s BABIP.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHH BEAR GRYLLS
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:19 PM PST reply actions
He had to cross a lake, so he found a boat and then tied his parachute to it and para sailed across the lake.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Ya. And now he found an abandoned cabin to sleep in.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
yeah. pretty resourceful.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
Just find a boat and a parachute
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Along with a radio and a choco taco.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
No. Like a radio to call for a helicopter with.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Oh ok. Jeez, you should have a show.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
GRAPPLING HOOK
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
OT: fun Sporcle quiz
Name the MLB franchises in order, from east to west.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Link?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
dammit
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Booger/MLBEasttoWest
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
ehehe booger
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I did it!
It was hard
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Too obvious. This must have been on purpose.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
She came.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
in through the bedroom window.
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Eastmost to westmost?
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
My shot: there are some really close calls
1. Boston
2. New York Mets
3. New York Yankees
4. Philadelphia
5. Baltimore
6. Washington
7. Pittsburgh
8. Toronto
9. Florida
10. Cleveland
11. Detroit
12. Tampa
13. Cincinnati
14. Atlanta
15. Chicago White Sox
16. Chicago Cubs
17. Milwaukee
18. St. Louis
19. Minnesota
20. Kansas City
21. Houston
22. Texas
23. Colorado
24. Arizona
25. San Diego
26. Los Angeles Angels
27. Los Angeles Dodgers
28. Seattle
29. Oakland
30. San Francisco
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Incorrect
Seattle is at 122 19’ W and SF is at 122 26’ W. The ballparks could be a different story though.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
yeah
The Pacific coast of Washington is further west than San Francisco, but Seattle is quite a ways from the Pacific coast. There’s the Olympic Peninsula and Puget Sound between ’em.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I have both SF and Seattle listed at 122° 26’ W
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
For the quiz
I was wrong about Seattle v Oakland and misplaced Toronto/Pittsburgh/Florida. AndIt’s the actual location of the stadia: Seattle’s is at 20’ and SF’s is at 23’.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Then these jerks at Seattle’s Sleepco Field better quit making these claims to make me look bad on the interwbz! TYPICAL SEATTLE.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
You got Wrigley/US Cellular Field right!
If you start from US Cellular Field and head straight north, you’ll be in Lake Michigan by the time you get to the North Side.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
actually, this is one of the funny things about how Chicago's laid out
On the North Side of Chicago, there is no East Side. In our old neighborhood (about 2 miles north of Wrigley), the first block west of Lake Michigan began with street addreses of 800 West.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It was just a guess, but since US Cell is next to Midway, I figured it had to be farther East.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Midway Airport is on the western side of Chicago, so if US Cellular was near there, it would almost certainly be west of Wrigley, which just a few blocks from Lake Michigan.
US Cellular is really not close to Midway at all, though. They’re both on the South Side, but that’s about it. Midway is way to the western end of the South Side, whereas US Cellular is just a bit west of State Street and Michigan Avenue (those being the streets that run through the middle of downtown).
Both Wrigley and US Cellular are on the same L line, though.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Hmm, how did I get that so wrong? I am dumb.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Well, they are pretty close in terms of north-south. But they’re miles apart east-west.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
East to what?
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That more of a geography question.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Its cool. just lettin you know where the conversation was.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
that’s funny—a 29 year old with command prob’s
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
/shakes head
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
git yer wife to do it
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
don’t worry, Lars knows how to make them go away
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
I met my wife when I was 21!
Of course, she wasn’t my wife then.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
and she had jon miller killed
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing that matters is how many girlfriends he has after her. No more than two, and they should be okay.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
my 21 year old gf would have made someone a good wife (which she did, I understand), but I would not have made a good hubby for her at that age.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not married.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
There is a 6 to 8 hour period every night that I simply can’t account for, so you might be on to something.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
My parents were 20 and 19 when they got married. They were like 15 when they first started dating. Which is kind of crazy to me, but whatever.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I look back at it and I wonder why I was in such a hurry to get married.
I think I know why but I think you guys would think I was loopy if I told you.
The baseball Satanist
IIRC, you were raised in a conservative religion, yes?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
IIRC
International Inter-Society Research Committee (on Nuclear Codes and Standards)
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
If I Remember Correctly.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
But it really has little to do with the religion. I didn’t get married at 20 because my church told me to. I didn’t go on a mission, which is something that is highly expected of males in my church.
I do, however, believe that I was being guided to getting married at 20 so that I could have my first child at 21.
I think it had a lot to do with my family (specifically my grandfather). But there could be more in the future.
There, now you can commence thinking me loopy.
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no, just the product of your enviroment. I don’t think that we really become our own person’s until 30, at least for guys.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
That's funny because I've never been very religious
Yet, I still can’t shake my belief.
Trust me, I’ve had plenty of questions and doubts.
But I can’t shake my belief.
It’s been one of the strange things in my life.
The baseball Satanist
It took me a number of years to finally finish my re-evaluation and leave it behind. Probably 8 or 9 years worth. It’s not an easy process. (Is this too heavy for a baseball discussion board?)
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I didnt get confirmed. I dont think I can say my reasoning without starting some big arguments though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Some people aren’t though. Im not trying to offend anyone.
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 20, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I didn’t get confirmed because my parents were godless overeducated hippie atheists who never took me to church.
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I call my parents by their first names. My wife is horrified by this.
Her late grandmother, who was born in China, was simply baffled by it. Once, after my wife and I had been together for a couple of years, her grandmother asked my wife, “Is Josh’s dad really his dad? I’ve been thinking about it, and I can’t think of any other reason he would call him by his name.”
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I call my dad dad, but I call almost all of my aunts and uncles by their first names. My girlfriend finds that weird.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's weird.
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jk jcb ;-)
But yeah, I don’t think I could ever call my parents their first names, outside of joking with them.
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what can I say
As a small child, I attended a co-op preschool in Berkeley. It’s one of the things that rubbed off on me.
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I got confirmed (in the Catholic church) and was really devout and all at the time, but was questioning within a year and gave up on religion within two.
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I’ve never been a member of any church, but I believe in the value of faith as an abstract and I’m confident and comfortable in my own.
I don’t think that I could be a part of a system of beliefs that were strictly shared. But faith at its best is a guide for being a good person, and I believe in that wholeheartedly, and my faith is based around understanding what it takes to be a good person. But I can’t fathom strictly applying the same principles that work for me to a wider group of people than just the one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
I’m a confirmed Catholic, go to church most Sundays, but I’m not really into it, so to speak. I have a feeling as I age that I’ll go the opposite direction.
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For me, I haven’t seen anything to prove the religion wrong, yet.
But I have had some experiences that I can not account for without coming to the conclusion that the religion is true.
Of course, I could be wrong. But with all the information I have right now, I have to lean towards belief…
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I like to learn and keep an open mind. Not very compatible with organized religious dogma
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
wouldn’t having an open mind make you agnostic?
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Not necessarily. Being openminded means that you’re open to multiple ideas, not that you aren’t allowed to make up your mind in the end.
I say that as an agnostic myself, mind you.
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Why?
I believe I have an answer at the moment. But I won’t blindly turn away evidence to the contrary.
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I see that you’re not Brian Sabean.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
No!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
well, I looked up agnostic, and it appears to be more rigid than I had thought, so maybe I’m not agnostic afterall.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
I just don’t know about the god thing, but the older I get, the less it matters [to me]
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions
Apathetic Agnostic
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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(which is what I also consider myself to be)
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me too, probably. just that word, apathy, makes my skin crawl
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but it’s not meant in the MOOD: APATHETIC teenager way!
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damn apathetic teens—not gamers!
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose I would call myself an Interested Agnostic, by contrast. In that I’ve always been really fascinated by mythology and belief systems and the like.
/took Comparative Religion, Bible as Lit, World Mythology, and Hindu Mythology as an undergrad.
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I’m completely fascinated by a number of religions, particularly the one I was raised in. But I view it from a detached perspective.
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Well, I’m interested in mythology and belief systems too. But I don’t believe that, if God exists, He Himself personally interacts with mankind in any way, so that makes me Apathetic.
Interested Apathetic Agnostic?
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You could call yourself Agnostic Deist!
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But I do lean more toward not believing in God moreso than I do believing in Him.
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Yeah, that’s me as well. The religions I find most interesting are generally the ones that aren’t monotheistic and belief-in-god based.
Alhough Gnosticism is pretty awesome.
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I do find Unitarian Universalism to be interesting. And I sort of dabble in Secular Humanism. (THANKS KURT I LOVE YOU BB)
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I’ve wanted to check out the UU. Too lazy, so far.
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The UU churches, especially in the Bay Area are pretty cool. If the San Jose group hasn’t moved they have a really neat space in downtown San Jose, near St James Street I think.
Personally, I’m more of a pantheist than anything else.
I’m not a part of this group, but they do explain the pantheism thing pretty well – bad html aside – on their main page.
I went to the Pantheon in Rome. Very cool.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I’m actually looking up UU congregations right now and there’s apparently one in San Rafael. Maybe I’ll check it out.
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I dunno, sure Pagels makes Gnosticism sound kinda cool, but the basic tenet of a secret knowledge only certain people can comprehend, offends my sense of fairness.
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Well, gnosticism was pretty diverse as I understand it – some gnostic groups were very egalitarian for their era.
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True, true. Lots of wild stuff going on in the late Roman Empire. It’s a fascinating period.
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haha, doing my Latin HW right now… report on Roman aqueducts. Did you know that Rome had a water supply 29% more efficient than the modern day city of Bangalore? Damn.
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But other than that
WHAT have the Romans EVER done for us??
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I kind of assume that the word “Romulan” is based on the word “Roman” so… depending on how you feel about the Romulans, there’s that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Considering their homeworld is called Romulus, and its twin planet is called Remus, I’d say that’s a pretty safe bet.
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Whenever I try to logically decide whether it’s more likely that there is a god or there isn’t a god, my brain starts to hurt.
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for some reason, humans often use religion to divide, and that’s where I jump off.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but it’s in the top two.
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I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
then there's also my wife
…who always forgets the difference between atheist and agnostic and asks me to explain it to her.
I just asked her how she would define herself; she said, “Lazy.” Then, expanding, “I’m lazy and find the whole thing dull and honestly don’t give a fuck.”
One reason I love my wife: she’s very direct!
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If I drop my current religion, that’s what I would be, too.
Except there would be a space somewhere in the first word.
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It took me a second to get it, but once I did, I lol’d.
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another thing
I don’t see why a person’s belief in god and religion have to be mutually inclusive.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I know a fair number of atheists who consider themselves still to be Catholic.
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I’m certainly still culturally Catholic.
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it does, you just have to lay it on someone else
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like a job for children.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
My parents sort of fell down on the imparting me with a religious identity thing, as there were too many religions running around in my extended family to choose one.
I could see myself being religious if things had gone differently.
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I kinda wonder where people get their values from, though, if they aren’t exposed to any religious teachings—the moral compass thing.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
I personally believe that humans have both positive and negative aspects whether or not they are religious or not.
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For example:
Positive about thehavenot: He’s a good dude.
Negative about thehavenot: He writes redundant sentences.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
That's it!
I have now been made fun of twice in this thread. I will not stand for it any more. I am leaving this community!
Eventually.
The baseball Satanist
Before this comment, you’d been made fun of in this thread exactly as many times as you said the words “or not” in your above comment.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, you find them along the way.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
well, pretty much the parents have to teach them, but if the parents aren’t up to the task, then….we end up with Dick Cheney’s.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think that even without a direct influential role model or strong parental guidance, an individual is perfectly capable of seeking the tools to live a good life as a good person. They may have a more difficult time finding or utilizing those tools, or they may not be aware that those tools exist, but they are always capable.
But certainly, without direct guidance, it’s a much harder road.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking for myself, I read a lot, was influenced by my parents examples, my peer group and the television. Probably similar to most religious folks.
I think the only thing of the ordinary that really influenced my values was the copy of Bertrand Russell’s History of Western Philosophy I picked up when I was 14.
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this is totally nerdy, but
When my family lived to New Jersey in late elementary school/junior high, I got teased and picked on a tremendous amount, which had never been an issue when I lived in California; as miserable an experience as that was, I’d say it influenced my values a great deal – it was a lesson in compassion.
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Why?
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People were assholes to me, and it made me feel like shit. That made me not want to be an asshole to other people.
Not that I’m never an asshole, mind you.
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Well I’m a Muslim, so a lot of people are being assholes to me right now. But I’m in 8th grade. it’ll probably subside soon.
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I can imagine.
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Oh well. I’m going to try out for baseball thought, so that’ll be fun.
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8th graders are pretty much assholes to everyone.
It’s that whole “Oh I’m going through puberty, I feel insecure about myself…Sooo I’ll make myself look like a hot shot by picking on someone else.”
Hang in there, it’ll pass…. they’ll all be 9th grade dropouts, and you’ll be off to Harvard.
Even trying to be nice to people, I was pretty much an asshole to everyone until I turned 18. I didn’t realize it until later, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, this is true
I know this because I went through grades7-9 and now I’m back there again…
The baseball Satanist
i wasn’t an ass hole to anybody, and nor am i one now… i just think i hated the hard asses… jersey shore type people, i got picked on, but now i’m never picked on anymore… i mean, i’m 6’3 240… so try it
I’m 5’9 148… what now?
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THAT'S MY PURSE
I DON’T KNOW YOU!
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5’7", 175! Suck on that!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
How old are you? That’s right.
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24.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
13.
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
Well, I was 5’6", 125 when I was 13, so look forward on only growing wider from now on, scrub.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
True story. :(
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by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Who you callin scrub? Ok, how many push ups could you do at 13? Work with me now.
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I don’t know… a bunch. I didn’t have a lot of weight on me to have to actually have to, you know, push up, so they weren’t that hard to do.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
True that.
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One inch and 50 pounds later, they’re not so easy.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
one inch? We have a 13 year old on our basketball team who’s 6’4" and 280 lbs. Sucks defending him in practice.
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Yeah, I stopped growing by the time I was 14. It kind of sucked, because I used to be tall.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sort of the opposite
I was short in elementary/middle school – I have a good friend who’s about 5’5", and around the fourth grade or so, he almost caught up with me in height – but then I was six feet tall by the time I was like 15.
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6’0’’, 160.
I’d max out at 25 push-ups right now. I could probably have done 10 or so more 4 years ago, at your age.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like to be less, though. I gained about 30 lbs. once I got married. I finally started eating good.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
It’s like when you first get to college, you gain a bunch of weight, then you start eating good, and realize what’s up
I meant that I started eating meals consistently, so I gained weight. Plus my wife is Mexican American, and this gringo wasn’t used to eating big heavy meals.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'm 6'0" and about 180 pounds
What is this, a singles bar!?
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No, just fun to see how weak these people were in their earlier years
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Now you have a Panda build i assume?
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Sabean needs to evaluate us to see who needs more musculature.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
You really should have thought about that time in your life when you were making fun of me!
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There are lots and lots of people who consider themselves both Jewish and atheists, too.
Strange though it seems in the western world, a lot of religions are more about orthopraxy – or a sense of shared history and community – than orthodoxy.
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that, to me, is where the real value in religion lies. (lays?)
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
I’m talkin’ lowercase-o orthodoxy here. :)
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well, I like that my (extended) family’s Orthodox. The whole thing is not for me.
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I don’t really do anything, so it really doesnt matter to me… i just like being Armenian Orthodox… kinda fun
If I had to pick a religion to identify by I’d go with it. There’s alot to commend it.
Besides the other religion running around my family is Islam, and I love pork.
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I’m a good Muslim, though.
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whatever. I’ll take heaven over alcohol any day of the week.
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Crash Course in Islamic Dietary Restrictions:
1) no alchohol
2) no pork
3) no consumption of semen (seriously)
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
I posted the info in the readin’ thread, if you somehow missed it.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, just cracked open my new copy of the BA 2010 Almanac. I like it, though the rain did a number on it while it sat on my front porch today.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Amazon shipped mine mid last week
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
yeah, you generally try to stay away from rare and medium rare foods. I always order medium well.
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
Does that stem from the whole thing about not strangling the animal you're about to cook?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
At least two of those things would keep me from not breaking those restrictions.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
You’re not missing much with alcohol. Pork, on the other hand…
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I once read the historical equivalent of an urban legend
That, long ago, a Czar of Russia had to decide on a state religion – Christianity, Islam, or Buddhism – and he chose Christianity because it was the only one of the three that didn’t have a prohibition against alcohol.
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LOL Buddist Putin
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
I have a Jewish friend whose family kept kosher – until they tried lobster. That was it for them.
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
/tries lobster.
/takes of glasses.
“My God.”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Turkey bacon is quite satisfying when you have someone like my dad making it. God, so good…
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
from Trader Joe’s, it is.
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
/realizes it’s PIKAgiant again, this time cries
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
You mean w/ pork or different brands of turkey sausage?
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
with pork.
Poultry and sausage can be quite doable.
The best Chinese dishes have the pig in them as well.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Isn't Jewish also more cultural though?
At least from the atheist Jews I know…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Definitely.
Instead of “in the western world,” I probably should’ve said, “in the Christian west,” or something like that.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
it really depends on the individual. For me, definitely the cultural.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Mmm, that is in a sense true to the letter, since “re-ligio” is “to bind (again) together”. Something that binds together. It’s part of the social aspect of the species; lots of structures exist which, while not deist or theist in any way, function in the same way, and can edify or confuse in the same way, as a theistic religion.
Strict areligion would entail a very strict individualism which would be difficult to pull off even on a singular basis, and probably not something to expect from a large group of humans.
JUST A CITY BOY
UNLIKE BENGIE!
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
I’ve been adamantly called agnostic by quite a few people who can’t fathom that I’m neither atheist nor organized, and I never really appreciated it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
TELL THOSE MOFO’S TO FUCK OFF! AMIRITE?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
YEAUARE
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
It’s never cool for someone to tell someone else how they identify.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/1/20/1261888/warning-a-long-winded-often-boring#29223685
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
Just kidding, by the way.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think you’re loopy. I was raised in the same religion (don’t follow it anymore), and freaked my mom out by not getting married until I was 29 (after getting not one, but 2 degrees from BYU without getting a husband).
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
The social pressures about these things (missions, marriage and kids) are one thing I’d like to change about the church. But, with that being said, I’m surprised about your comment regarding the degrees. Education is something that is looked upon highly in the church.
The baseball Satanist
when I got bar mitzvah’d, I made a deal with my mom that I wouldn’t have to go to sunday school anymore. Guess why I wanted that deal?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
it’s a right of passage in the jewish religion
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
it’s pretty universal, that sunday school stuff. just not compatible with football, baseball, etc.
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
But I’m a girl! Dudes in my law school were mad that I took a spot from a potential breadwinner. And plus, I was supposed to be home making babies, or whatever.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
that’s alright, we’ll be extinct soon enough. dudes, that is.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Male chromosome evolves a lot faster than the female. I read it on the NY Times so it must be true.
JUST A CITY BOY
well, we kill each other a lot, and women don’t really need us anymore to reproduce.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I see you’ve read Y: The Last Man.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
So long as it’s done properly, it’s okay. Going for a graduate degree (especially in my day) was seen as selfish and delaying my duty. BYU’s law school is still about 35% female, instead of the 52% national average.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
preggers? but I wouldn’t call that loopy
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
supremely horny and conservative?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
I have to know…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
I was 21 once!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
You were 21 at least 365 times.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
no blue drinks. that’s what I remember about turning 21.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yum.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Period.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
I’m good at this game. Let’s keep going.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
?
Adopted Giant: Clayton Tanner
by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
QUESTION MARK!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
sapphire gin, up, with a couple olives and onions
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Still haven’t grown into gin. It gives me a :X face.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
maybe a little less than the whole bottle next time?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
/protip
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Gin and tonic is good
Gin on its own is disgusting
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
c’mon, prony—it’ll grow some hair on your chest
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
hey ggf
you’ll love this
my computer is back at the local apple store and it’s all fixed
EXCEPT!
now the screen is flickering! so they have to send it out again and fix it again
this is getting old.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
oh no. that is purty sucky
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
what was the beach ball problem?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
something to do with the hard drive, I don’t know whether it was the drive itself or the thing connecting it yet, I forgot to ask.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
they actually send it out? I was under the impression that the fix stuff at the store. Do you have the applecare, cuz if you don’t, then maybe that’s not the best place to get it fixed.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
I do have applecare. And yes, they said they actually sent it out somewhere because I think it’s more than just a quick fix type thing – they had to figure out exactly what was wrong with it to begin with.
And I guess they didn’t have replacement screens at the store or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
My macbook pro has been giving me a “Service Battery” message for a while, and it seems like the battery is running kinda hot. I need to take it in, and probably pay for a new battery. =(
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Is it still under warranty/AppleCare? If so, you should be able to get the battery replaced for free. Although you might have to pester them about it.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
It’s a couple years old, and no Apple Care. I think I’m gonna have to pony up the bucks.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Ah, yeah
I was able to get my battery replace for free on my almost 3-year old MacBook Pro, but I had AppleCare.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
My battery has started to SWELL. I have 2 months left on AppleCare.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
Yeah, that’s a sign you need to get it replaced. IIRC, they might actually be replacing those outside of Apple Care.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Ouch, that's not good.
Also, apparently you got your computer the same month I got mine.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yup. MacBook Pro. It’s had a few issues (like a battery that held less than 10 of charge before I got it replaced), but it’s held up nicely. Which is good because it’s not getting replaced anytime soon.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I just got the regular MacBook because I am stupid and never learn my lesson in NOT buying the consumer model even though it’s $500 cheaper. It was maxed out that summer. I need to get a Pro this year.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
I wish I’d gotten the Pro now too. I know what we were thinking at the time (OMG cheaper) but all of the annoying things about the MacBook (lack of firewire, all this bs) is making me regret the decision.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
That’s why I plunked down the extra for the Pro.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
No, I think they’ve added it back now, but the first wave of these Macbooks (got it October 2008) do not have firewire.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I could have sworn I got my macbook in February of 2008 and mine has firewire.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yeah, that would be pre-this wave of Macbooks.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
oooooh I didn’t realize they took it off the new ones. Thats ridiculous. I read that a few times but couldn’t fathom that they’d take it away from new ones and have it on older ones
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
yeah, it has firewire
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/index-macbook.html
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
New Macbooks since, I think, 2007? Don’t have firewire anymore.
I have to admit, I didn’t think it would be a big plus when I moved up to a Mac Pro (I was after the bigger screen/graphics card), but that FireWire 800 port is kinda sweet. Feels faster than USB 2.0 when I’m organizing TV shows and movies on my external LaCie.
JUST A CITY BOY
It’s not a huge disadvantage, USB usually gets the job done, but I won’t lie, it would be really nice to have firewire.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Yeah, I never use my firewire. You can have my firewire port jponry. I’ll dedicated it to you
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Aw, thanks :)
I am going to have to put all of my files back on my computer when I finally get it back, which shouldn’t take more than a couple hours, but it would be quicker with Firewire :’(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
That’s how I set up my bootable external drive backup – for my Mac that only works with Firewire.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I might have got mine around the same time.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
shorthand for “this” which is shorthand for something else
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think that’s shorthand for “Thizz”.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
Adios, Mother Fucker.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry
But the correct answer is AMFFTMFW.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
ok, time to feed me and the dog
me: pasta
him: kibble with some shit in it
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
right on; how aged are you?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
The question isn’t “how aged are you?” It’s “how much younger than delorean are you?”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
I loved 30!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll be 30 in 2 months and 3 days.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Yeah, we're really close in age
And we both are white guys with an asian wife.
The baseball Satanist
OMG so much in common!
Do u love Twilight 2?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
jcb9 never lets his guard down. Him making fun of you is a sign that you are provoking a deep emotional response that he is fighting internally.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
My wife and I make fun of each other mercilessly and in horrible, horrible ways.
So maybe it could also mean that I’m in love with you.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
threesome? is that legal?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I read that as Jeff Garcia and briefly died.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
I read that as
“I read that Jerry Garcia had briefly died.”
I still remember the moment I heard Jerry Garcia had died. And I don’t even like the Grateful Dead. Again we’re back to my hippie parents.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Grateful Dead/Hippie Parents
Okay, now I’m thinking WE have a lot in common. Can I make fun of you?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Molina
I want the Giants to become members of the sabermetric orthodoxy. That is exactly what I want.
I would like to see them put a competitive offense with their stellar run prevention unit
And obviously, whatever Sabean’s doing is not getting it done…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
OT: LOL WARRIORS GET SCREWED AGAIN ON A SIMILAR PLAY FROM THE NUGGETS GAME JAN. 5 what the fuck is Monta doing?
Way to go. You’ve insulted several MCC posters. They won’t take this well, I tell you.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I care about monta.da.boss!!!!!!!!!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
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