The 35-year-old Molina can earn an additional $1.5 million in performance bonuses based on games started.
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Oh great, even more reason for MelonHead to
start him and for Molina to cry when he’s not in.
Hahaha. Molina, if healthy, will start 130 games. He gives the team a better chance to win, and he deserves the financial reward.
/Bochy
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but the question is...
…which team?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
your 2010 Fresno Grizzlies
and their PCL MVP, Gerald “Busty” Poser
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
fixed
Hahaha. Molina, if healthy, will start 130 games. Hegives the team a better chance to winis a veteran gamer, and he deserves the financial reward.
/Bochy
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 20, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
“The guys who have been playing and doing the things that got us in this situation are going to get the lion’s share of the playing time.”
Obviously Molina has been playing, and he’s certainly been doing the things that got us in this situation. QED!
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by EliminateMe on Jan 20, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
OR
let BMoney play while GPosey develops and delay his arb clock. Once GPosey is proven ready then SF has a trade chip at the deadline.
Once GPosey is proven ready then SF has a trade chip at the deadline.
Because this offseason has shown what a tremendous market there is for Bengie’s services?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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Things can change
Ever hear of injury? How about little production from a player a team counted on? Or maybe paying less for a player? A surprise team looking for a missing piece for the pennant run?
How about little production from a player a team counted on?
No, Pops – that notion is completely foreign to this site.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
It’s the standard Giants Catch-22, Wil. They’d only think of moving him if he suffers such a titanic collapse (more titanic than Randy Winn’s last year, apparently) that they’d have trouble giving him away. If he had any trade value they’d never think of trading him because he was too valuable.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
that's usually referred to here as
“showcasing a veteran” to “generate some interest” among other teams.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
How about little production from a player a team counted on?
A player like….Bengie Molina?
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
you're an idiot
seriously. This isn’t even worthy of logical analysis anymore.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Whoah, let's cool it with the name calling
(DID I DO THAT RIGHT?!?!?! im so excited)
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Yeah, injury
what is going to happen to bengie. Whatever. He has no trade value.
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GPosey needs to not catch on.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
BOOYA!!! WITH AUTHORITY!!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
What if it’s like ‘Gee Posey, you sure do smell like flowers’?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
So when I see him in Reno for the April 3A Opener, should I call him GPosey, Buster, or Gerald ?
Should I carry a “Free Buster” Sign ?
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I’m going to make sure i’m there for some of that series. I need to think of sign ideas as well.
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by Speedforthewin on Jan 20, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
If Molina gets benched for Posey he will cry that the Giants are trying to cheat him
out of 1.5 million.
The guy complained when Posey got a Spetember call up, he’ll throw fits if it is actually determined that he should take a seat on the bench in place of Posey.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
he'll cry during the season
he’ll file a grievance after the season.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
do you actually know for a fact what the discussion about playing time was between Brass and BMoney?
We don’t know what they talked about this offseason. But we do know what his past history is in similar situations. Things might not lead to the same result this year, but there’s no real reason to simply expect them to change.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
BMONEY!!! BOOYA!!! WITH AUTHORITY!!!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
no, I don't
there’s a contract provision to be impeded by benching him.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
So why would Molina's agent agree to it unless there was a clear understanding
that Molina was the guy, for the entire season.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 20, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
I'm on your side
/statute of frauds
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Let Him Cry
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Wait, but he also had 80 RBI in the minors. How many RBI does that translate to in the majors?
GOOD GOD, THAT’S ONLY 57 MAJOR LEAGUE RBI! GET ME MOLINA’S AGENT!
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This could very well be a good thing, because it provides an incentive to eventually bench him.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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But benching him because of money would be disrespecting a veteran, which will never ever happen ever under any circumstances ever.
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The Giants Have Actually Done This In The Past
When the Giants had Hermanson switch from SP to Closer mid year 2004 they ended his chance at his incentive money which was based on games started. That said, I don’t see Bochy doing this to Bengie.
by giantsrainman on Jan 19, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t they try to get Vizquel to 140 games the other year so an incentive could kick in? Or do I have that backward?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
Per Cot's - No.
The year with such an incentive was 2008 and Vizquel’s injury made achieving the incentive impossible (thank God).
- 1 year/$5.3M (2008), plus 2009 club option
* re-signed by San Francisco 11/9/07
* 08:$5M, 09:$5.2M club option ($0.3M buyout)
* 2009 option guaranteed at $5.2M with 140 games or 525 PAs in 2008
* 2009 buyout increases to:
o $0.5M with 115 g or 425 PAs in 2008
o $0.6M with 125 g or 475 PAs in 2008
* award bonuses: $0.1M each for Gold Glove or MVP; $75,000 for WS MVP; $50,000 each for Silver Slugger, All Star or LCS MVP
by giantsrainman on Jan 19, 2010 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
I just can’t quite remember if they were actually trying to get him to 140 games or not. I seem to remember that they were, but my memory is pretty spotty.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
The Never Had A Chance After He Spent All Of April And A Big Part Of May On The DL
by giantsrainman on Jan 20, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
In Hermanson's case....
…didn’t the Giants renegotiate the performance clause when he complained that the switch was going to cost him money? I seem to remember something about that.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
Nope - He Asked For The Bonus Anyway When Negoiating To Re-Sign In The Offseason
And left the Giants pissed when they refused to pay.
by giantsrainman on Jan 20, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they can bring in George Clooney to break the bad news to him.
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by Skaldheim on Jan 20, 2010 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Um nah, Bochy will play him even if his arms are gone. He’ll catch with his body
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 20, 2010 2:16 AM PST up reply actions
Or joining the marines.
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I Am not A Fan Of This So Called Incentive
This incentive is in effect an incentive to not give Posey much MLB experience even after June when we no longer have to worry about him achieving super two. I personally would of preferred to just pay him the $6M straight up.
Yes, exactly. It’s an incentive to say, “Well, we can’t just bench Bengie, we have to give him a chance at his incentives!!”
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it also says
“please complain about (or file a grievance over) your lack of playing time when it costs you money by the end of the year”
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
In an earlier time that was: “please attempt to recoup your losses by conspiring with gamblers to throw games.”
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
THIS.
I see this incentive as locking up Molina in the starting spot all season.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I don't get it...
First, much of the offseason, the impression I get from the boards is that Sabean is being cheap.
And then, when he gives himself a financial incentive to play Molina less…more complaining?
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 19, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Becauce It Is An Incentive For Bochy to Play Molina More.
Sabean would have to direct him to play him less and Sabean has never before interfered with his manager’s day to day decisions on who plays and who doesn’t.
by giantsrainman on Jan 19, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
In a way, I'd rather he be dumb and cheap than dumb and proflegate.
At least i the former, there are no expectations for success. It’s sort of like how losing game 7 of the world series hurts way, way more than losing 90+ games.
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Isn't it funny,
how no one had any expectation of winning game 7, with Livo on the mound.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
And yet Rueter came in and dominated if I remember...
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
A blunder that should not be forgotten.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
it's amazing
how many “big plays” remembered for winning a game or (especially) a series ignore how many opportunities there were to overcome it. It’s fine to give Bucky Dent credit, but he didn’t score the winning run. Montana to Clark only held up because of some nice defensive play and Danny White’s incompetence. And stupid Game 6 was followed by Game 7.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
Same with Buckner’s error. That was game 6 and the Red Sox had already screwed up a bunch that inning.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
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Man, Richie has a weird goatee there.
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richie can do whatever he wants with his goatee
get off his back!!!!!! that’s my former adopted giant you’re talking about!
actually I think he started the game without a mustache and it grew in by the 6th
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
The interesting thing about this
Is that Richie was clean shaven when that inning started.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
The UNintersting thing about this
is Richie’s, um, cameltoe.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 23, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
In retrospect:
Benito, JT, and Richie all have palpable fear in their eyes…
Blehhh!
by Giant Homer on Jan 20, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Dusty has a glazed over look.
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Dusty always had that look on him.
cough cough
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I think he's yawning.
I need to yawn now.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 20, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Can you yawn without losing your toothpick?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
He won't be yawning long.
J.T.’s about to honk him.
Sure, it’s a bizarre perspective I bring – but it’s mine, dammit…
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 23, 2010 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
Dusty: “Heh…I am SO fired.”
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Managers usually try to give players a chance to reach these incentive goals.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I don’t think Sabean is being cheap at all. In fact, I’d say he’s being profligate. Most of this year’s signings seem to be spending money for the sake of spending money.
He’s cheap when it comes to impact talent, but profligate when it comes to mediocrity. It’s an odd combination.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Jan 20, 2010 7:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sabean is a People of Wal-mart kind of General Manager
by E Ticket on Jan 20, 2010 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
THIS.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Insecurity issues
He empathizes with the lovable losers.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Maybe he should go work for the Cubs then. He will have a bigger payroll to spend on the likes of DeRosa and Huff.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Why settle for reasonable facsimiles of players
When you can have the real thing?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Because GRM is right. This is a financial incentive to play Molina less, but they have no intention of doing so. He’s going to get the bonus unless he is injured. They want him in there; they think he’s good.
We are all tinfoil hat wearers now
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Speaking of which, how long do we have to stash Posey away to avoid Super Two? Isn’t June the normal historical cutoff – but because Posey got a month last year, we need to stash him to July? Or do I have it wrong and it’s May/June not June/July?
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
You really think they’re going to stash him away? I assume he’ll be the backup so he can learn how to be a major leaguer.
I ignore those kinds of possibilities, if only for my own sanity.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
That is my nightmare. And I really can see it happening, is the truly scary part.
This move has zero value if Posey is on the 25-man roster when the season starts. Would they really spend $4.5 million for zero value just like that?
….
….
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
If I’m remembering correctly, the smart teams bring up their elite prospects in early May. So we’d have to wait until early June.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
I hope the Catcher spot still bats around 7/8
1. Aaron Rowand CF
2. Mark DeRosa LF
3. Freddy Sanchez 2B
4. Pablo Sandoval 3B
5. Aubrey Huff 1B
6. Edgar Renteria SS
7. Nate Schierholtz RF
8. Buster Posey C
1. Aaron Rowand CF
2. Freddy Sanchez 2B
3. Pablo Sandoval 3B
4. Aubrey Huff 1B
5. Mark DeRosa LF
6. Nate Schierholtz RF
7. Edgar Renteria SS
8. Buster Posey C
Why Still Show Posey In The Lineup?
In addition, Bengie really can’t bat 7th or 8th because it takes the sacrifice bunt by the pitcher out of play when Molina is on base. 6th is really the only spot in the lineup that makes sense for Big Money.
by giantsrainman on Jan 19, 2010 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Timmy hits from whichever side it was passed to him.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This one's for the Mayor
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
This needs to be green
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by Speedforthewin on Jan 20, 2010 6:50 AM PST up reply actions
MOAR POOPIN'
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
Is Flail Schierholtz or Rent?
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by Speedforthewin on Jan 20, 2010 7:22 AM PST up reply actions
Performance based incentive?
Such as hitting the most GIDP?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions
IS THIS FUCKING TEAM INTENIONALLY TRYING TO LOSE GAMES OR SOMETHING
SERIOUSLY WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT
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shouldn’t a performance based incentive be based on something other than just playing? Base it on OBS, HRs, even RBI or AVG…. but not just starting!
Real Performance Incentive Are Not Allowed By The CBA
Only playing time or role incentives like Games Finished, Games Started, Games Played, Innings Pitched, and Plate Appearances.
by giantsrainman on Jan 19, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure that CC Sabathia had a weight incentive in one of his old Cleveland contracts.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
You Can However Give Incentives For Awards And All Star Selections
You can even give incentives for placing in the top X of an award vote.
by giantsrainman on Jan 19, 2010 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants had to do this deal after the deadline to renew season tickets
I would have canceled had this been done a week ago.
"meh"
FREE POSEY
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Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
GIS for Buster Posey
I almost pissed in my pants
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:39 PM PST reply actions
nah
they’ll pick him up when he’s DFA’d in a couple of years to make room to re-sign Steve Holm.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
No we need power.
No doubt they’ll move the recently acquired Huff to RF, and get Ortiz for 1B.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
That’s just him at 14 playing for his former little league team.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
This is nothing new.
His previous contract had up to $500K each season for games started.
He made that level each season (it was for 125 games).
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 19, 2010 11:42 PM PST reply actions
The amazing thing is that the only other time in his entire career that he had accomplished that, he was 25 years old.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
This whole situation is just bizarre. Although LOL GIANTS R OLD is officially a legit meme again.
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
To baseball insiders, it never went out of style.
A roster of 24-26 year old rookies is just LOLd in a different way.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
as stated above
He would have been traded to the Red Sox for Mike Lowell by then.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 20, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
Your grammar off it, too.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 12:45 AM PST up reply actions
So much for the “fact” that the Mets offered Molina more money and he passed up the $$$$$$$ to sign with the Gints.
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Current Team: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Molina, Renteria, Schierholtz
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Current Team's CHONE WAR projection= 12.6
I don't know if someone else has mentioned it....
But goodbye draft pick compensation…
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
SHITTT
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
They Were Gone When We Didn't Offer Arbitration
by giantsrainman on Jan 20, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Thank you.
That brings up a good point.
Because the Giants didn’t offer him arbitration and instead went this route, they must have saved some money. Any guesses as to what Big Money would have made in arbitration?
D'oh I blew that one
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
that is the worst idea in the history of ideas
in a related story, my contract with my current employer also contains an incentive clause:
301.3(b)
“SAID EMPLOYEE RECEIVES TIME PLUS ONE-HALF FOR ALL ZERO REVENUE SALES CALLS IN EXCESS OF WEEKLY AVERAGE.”
I haven't made it on until now
I was too busy sobbing and looking for my pitchfork. I hate trying to WIN NOW!, mainly because trying to contend this season could set us back a few. The strategy now looks similar to the plan when Bonds was manning LF. Just surround Pablo with a bunch of aging veterans and we can contend! Nevermind that we don’t have a leadoff hitter, or that the 3-4 young players we could be playing besides Pablo will get zero playing time, since our roster is VERSITILE and our Bench has veterans as well. Not only that, but the org could conceivably ship out Lewis, Frandsen and Schierholtz since they are out of options. Not that I think schierholtz will be DFA’d, but stranger things have happened. It feels as if the FO has placed all their confidence in MadBum and none of it it Posey, which to me it feels like that should be reversed and a 5th starter probably should have been signed using Molina’s money. ARRRRG
Proud adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Thanks for sharing a year of your great career with the Giants and their fans.
each Giant has a name in death..
His name is Buster Posey. His name is Buster Posey. HIS NAME IS BUSTER POSEY.
Sabean is the ringleader of Project Mayhem.
“I felt like destroying something beautiful”
- Brian Sabean on his approach since acquiring the GM position.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I am Gerald’s raging bile duct.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
We buy your tickets. We listen to your team on the radio. We watch your team on the television. We pay for your children’s college. We pay for your vacation home in Aruba. Do not fuck with us.
Petey and Fresh always dunking on Spartans,
Biscuits in baskets from Heatley and Thornton,
Bam-Bam and Gore on the way to some rings,
These are a few of my favorite things.
I don’t think that the FO is worried about Molina meeting the incentive minimums, but if for some awesome reason they are, then that may mean that Buster could get some actual PT.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 20, 2010 7:57 AM PST reply actions
Schulman twists the knife
The projected 3-4-5-6 hitters, Pablo Sandoval, Aubrey Huff, Mark DeRosa and Molina, combined to hit 83 homers last year, or 17 more than the Giants got from those lineup spots.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
It’s Brian Sabean PiKA, not the rain.
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
but last week he wasn't signing Benjie Molina
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
but last week he wasn’tsigningmaking it rain for Benjie Molina
Fixed
/inserts “making it rain” .gif
Matt Downs MLB , Now with More STATZ goodness !Matt Downs Fangraphs The Juan Uribe of 2011 !
Re-signing Molina
is the Holy Grail of Fail for this offseason. Replacing Garko with Huff, signing DeRosa, marginal upgrades at high expense, I could LOL and snark at that with everyone (and it’s not so hard to imagine Huff having a better year than last year, for example). Pencilling in Rowand daily at leadoff seems stupid to me, but others here have bought the company line, and the argument “he’s about as crappy as everyone else” is too depressing to debate every day.
Re-signing Molina, who should not have been batting cleanup EVERY TIME HE PLAYED FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, it’s just beyond words. Posey will be in Fresno, and if he ever gets back to SF this year, Molina will pout and whine as he did when he had to share time with Pablo or when Zito pitched well to other catchers and he complained about the idea of having anyone else designated to catch the guy.
If they wanted another catcher, and IMO they needed another catcher from the get-go not named Whiteside, ending up with Hackopotamus is the next-to worst possible result they could have had. The worst result would have been re-signing him or paying in arb, but since that money isn’t being spent on anything very useful at the moment, I don’t know how big a victory that is either.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the sheer amount of money that we’re putting into Renteria, DeRosa, Huff, Uribe, Sanchez, Molina, and Rowand is fairly ridiculous. How many of those players could you replace the production of for next to nothing?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Or, to be more fair, how many of those players could you approach replacing the production of for next to nothing?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
And
that money could be used to bribe Lincecum and Cain to stay in SF someday, and given the LOLoffense they’ve fielded the last 4 years, they’re going to need a lot of it.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
And I mean, I’m not even tripping on the Zito money here, but if you look at the Zito contract it kind of puts things in a weird perspective. So you massively overpay for a relatively league average commodity, get credit for it being one of the worst contracts in the history of baseball, have to look at that money every single time you balance the payroll, and simply don’t learn a single thing from it.
“Oh God, maybe it wasn’t a good idea to pour millions and millions of dollars into a league average player. OMG OMG OMG there are seven leage average players! I think they’re looking at me! Did they look at me? No, don’t looooook. God, how obvious can you be? This is so embarrassing. How many millions do you think it will cost me to sign them?”
Uh… what?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Dude
I am playing Out of the Park 8, which is now available for free (fanpost to follow, one of these days). I made a fake manager to unload all the gigantic contracts, and that’s based on the 2007 rosters. Creed Bratton’s team is playing .500 ball, even though Barry Bonds is out for the year with an injury suffered in game 3 (and to be fair I was trying to trade him anyway).
I think the Zito money is less atrocious now given the power of inflation, and I get that they thought they were bringing in someone who would be attractive to the fans. If he can stay in the rotation, even as a 5 starter, that’s not so bad, as long as the Giants keep finding good pitchers. Their inability to sign position players OR trade for them OR develop them is unbelievable.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Well, like I said, I’m not even tripping on the Zito money. It’s still a terrible contract, but I had to get over it. What bothers me is that the Zito pattern – a pattern that any sane person would have abandoned after the debacle that was the initial Zito contract fallout – is alive and well, and continues to rear its ugly head year after year as we continue shell out still more untold millions to field an offense that probably has its ceiling at league average.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions
The “building around Bonds” philosophy of old, overpaid mediocre veterans is still around, too, and now we don’t even have Bonds to offset their suckitude….
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe it was never about building around Bonds. Perhaps he just likes overpaid mediocre veterans.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Yep, exactly, it was just an excuse. A wise man once said, “Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past.” Yep, that’s exactly what it’s always been about. ;)
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
You seem to be vary quotable. Vic as one of your quotes as his sig too.
Funny thing is I I’m pretty sure I took that comment from the Alderson for Sanchez thread. Sabean just keeps proving your point over and over.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
So much fail there...
You seem to be very quotable. Vic has one of your quotes as his sig too.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I must be, I don’t even participate that much on this site overall….
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
"Minion, reporting for duty, Sire."
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
No, I love the rain.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
Sunlight makes me crabbier.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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It makes you sparklier.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
This is amazing
Natto’s sparkle is already pretty blinding.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Mr. Sparkle?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, and it's totally grown on me.
'The longer I do this the smarter I get' --Brian Sabean
by ringleader3 on Jan 20, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I started sweating when the Mets were the only ones bidding on this guy. There was no way whiny bitch Molina was going to play in New York. No effing way. Molina might be an out of shape slow hacktastic baseball player, but at least he isn’t stupid enough to to think that his declining skills were going to fly in New York. He would be ripped daily by the NY media, might even be benched by a manager who fills out a lineup card based less on small sample sizes and ribeyes and more on stats regarding not making outs. He knows he is a starter in SF and has a manager who will pencil him into the 6th hole and let him rot there for the entire year. Congrads Benjie, it might not be the best financial decision you made, but at least you will be comfotable.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jan 20, 2010 8:11 AM PST reply actions
Letter to Mr. Neukom
Fans: this was mailed BEFORE the Molina news. Please consider writing to our front office in similar spirit. …Am just not sure what else to do. Additionally, please respect that I HAD to craft the letter in a somewhat polite and civil manner (for instance, the "thank you," not bringing up Sanchez/Alderson accountability, etc.). Otherwise the hardcopy gets thrown in the trash immediately.
Moreover, I am not saying this is a good letter by any means. I am not being "self-important" here. The only goal is to get folks like you to start writing/flooding our front office with outrage.
Mr. Neukom,
Many fans, like me, are pleased to have you as Managing General Partner. We owe you thanks and congratulations for both your undertaking and the surprising success of the 2009 club.
Before proceeding, I would like to acknowledge two things. First, I do realize the organization is not a publicly-traded corporation. Second, there exists, of course, a significant informational asymmetry between myself and the organization’s front office.
A number of minds within the "statistical community" have come to the same conclusion: the San Francisco front office is well behind the curve in its evaluation of veteran talent, defense, and the trade value of younger players under team control. The constant theme seems to be over-paying for aging players who clearly do not project well going forward (whether paying in dollars or prospects). For every promising young arm signed by Mr. Tidrow’s staff, there have been several unsuccessful personnel decisions made over the past decade. As you do not bear responsibility for these past mistakes, I believe you have a terrific opportunity to set the organization on a different course.
In this day and age, advanced player projection systems are critical. Please consider adding necessary personnel and valuation methodologies to the front office in order to balance out "old" ways of thinking. (It should be noted that fans could not be happier right now with the scouting department’s success.)
Based on run differential, it is undeniable that San Francisco outperformed its expected record in 2009. While that outperformance was banked for 2009, I do fear a reversion – one which the club may not have considered proportionately this offseason when addressing its needs. Four weak bats have indeed been removed from the regular lineup, but we must do more to contend for a championship.
Best regards and best wishes,
John Patrick Tener
Mr. William H. Neukom, Managing General Partner
AT&T Park
The San Francisco Giants
24 Willie Mays Plaza San Francisco, CA 94107
13 January 2010
by Jp80rice on Jan 20, 2010 8:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Reply
Dear John,
Please keep buying tickets, jerseys and beer.
Best wishes,
-Bow Tie
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
TRY THE CHA CHA BOWLS
KRUK AND KUIP LOVE THEM AND THEY’RE ONLY $10!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
THIS SUMMER WE’RE BRINGING BACK THE 2000 TEAM THAT LOST IN THE PLAYOFFS FOR A SPECIAL CEREMONY! MARVIN BENARD GETS A STATUE!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Quick Brian! To the Byrnes mobile! We have to save the fans from the Poser...
You think we can do it Bow-tie man? We only have roster spots for a few more gritty vets.
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
WHY AM I GETTING SO MANY NON-SEQUITUR REPLIES THIS WEEK?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
But Non Sequitur isn’t replying to you at all.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
This 2010 is broken, I want another.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
It just looked like a good spot to waste a sentence...
When a different one would have worked just fine, probably cheaper. Buyin into the company logic is all. Sorry I ruined your reply thread.
by MoreroidsforZito on Jan 20, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
I like turtles.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Pardon my French.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
So, that's what outrage looks like?
V. Frankenstein
(Address withheld. Just as well, if I posted an AZ address it, too, would ht the round file.)
Mr. William H. Neukom, Managing General Partner
AT&T Park
The San Francisco Giants
24 Willie Mays Plaza San Francisco, CA 94107
Dear Sir,
I am a member of a Giants fanbase increasingly confused by the direction the Giants seem to be taking. Based on recent player acquisitions we’re not certain what the goal is…are we merely to be content with being also rans or are we actually trying to reach the ultimate stage, i.e. the World Series?
Staffing your starting lineup on an annual basis with mediocre veterans with less potential than your up – and – coming farm system prospects doesn’t appear to be a developmentally forward thinking process.
In these increasingly difficult economic times fans will be reevaluating their disposable income – and questioning their money spent on perennial mediocrity.
Bank on it.
Sincerely, Victor Frankenstein
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
Automated Reply
Dear Victor,
Please keep buying tickets, jerseys and beer.
Best wishes,
-Bow Tie
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Automated reply to the automated reply
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
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From Tener
Definitely some funny and on-point responses. But at the same time, let’s put cynicism aside and think about this. We’ve chosen to be stakeholders. (Obviously we can’t be shareholders in the partnership until my market-neutral macro fund is up and running). THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO GET THROUGH TO THIS FRONT OFFICE.
Vote with your dollar.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Would if I didn't live in D.C.
But my concern is the “championship window.” Consider the players we have under team control:
Tim Lincecum (4)
Jonathan Sanchez (3)
Pablo Sandoval (5)
Matt Cain (2)
Brian Wilson (3)
Posey, Bumgarner, Neal, Wheeler, etc. (6)
Cain is not a superstar-level talent, but when he’s gone, things become VERY difficult. We need to get our talent on the field within a certain window (i.e. Posey).
Looking back on some Joe Sheehan excerpts, pre-trade deadline
“Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Angel Villalona, Tim Alderson… these guys are the core of a championship team down the line. Add in Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain, and you can see the Giants playing deep into October in the not-too-distant future….and I haven’t mentioned Jonathan Sanchez, himself an incredible talent, in this paragraph yet.”
“I wouldn’t trade Bumgarner under any circumstances, and I wouldn’t trade Posey. I wouldn’t trade Villalona for anything short of a Godfather-style offer, which probably means Roy Halladay, and the Giants aren’t trading for a starting pitcher. Alderson, as good a prospect as he is, is a notch below those three. He’s the prospect you deal, because he has the lower upside, because you have such depth at his position, because flags fly forever.”
“Prospects are good. The value of players whose salaries and movements you control has never been higher, and having players on the front side of their careers is always better than paying for the back side. In specific cases, though, you have to set aside that value and think about the season, think about where a prospect fits into your future, and think about how important playing into October is to a fan base. "
So sad to look back on…..Freddy Sanchez, as opposed to Scutaro and Rolen/Overbay or Dunn/Johnson in the deal
I wish there was a way to do this selectively. Like can I just buy half an MLB.tv subscription where I only watch the pitching and Pablo’s 4 PAs?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Listen to the radio
It’s free, and it comes with Jon Miller.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Yeah, Jon Miller.
He’s a pretty together guy.
/ducks bench ripped up and thrown across several states
/stands and marvels at how deep that bench went into the ground
/gets clobbered by airborne moving van
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
This is really a job for season ticket holders as those are the fans the front office would listen to the most. I hope the former-Mayer of 311 wrote a similar letter when he didn’t re-new his tickets.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I wonder if everyone gets the same canned response
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Dear [Revenue Source],
Please keep buying tickets, jerseys and beer.
Best wishes,
-Bow Tie
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, M.C. and I had discussed this on OBM a while back.
We are indeed eager to see if the same response comes back!
If so, they can expect much more mail.
Cal Ripken had his own personal hotel suite
Kevin Brown had private charter jets
Bengie’s demands were reasonable in comparison
by E Ticket on Jan 20, 2010 8:22 AM PST reply actions
THERE IT IS, the day's first lawl.
I thank you.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
note the back
riding low on the shocks. Or are they schlocks?
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
BENGIE DID IT ON WAFFLES AND (CROCODILE) TEARS
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
maybe it's time we get one of these for Bowtie
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Jan 20, 2010 8:31 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
but instead it would say
“fire the GM”
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I smell a trade opportunity
Brain for the Faiders’ 1R draft choice! GITRDUNNE BOWTIE!
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
You know, if 70% of the McCoven contributed some pitance amount, we could do it
But first, we have to give all we can to Haiti
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
anyone have any idea
how much it costs to get a billboard?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I know the figures for rural Mendocino County
But I assume it’s way more in the city. Still, my statement is fact. There are enough of us.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
This gives me an idea
You think we could convince Al Davis to hire our GM?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jan 20, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, guys, I've been thinking a lot about this
And I’ve come to the conclusion that maybe Brian Sabean isn’t the best GM in baseball.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
fixed
I’ve come to the conclusion that maybe Brian Sabean isn’t the bestone of the top 29 GMs in baseball.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
should have blockquoted
joke fail
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
“It’s not going to change all that much per se…What I’m confident (from) the dealings we’ve had with Bill Neukom the last two years is no matter what number gets set, if we have something compelling baseball wise to bring to him, he certainly will consider it and take it through the proper channels. I think we’ll have the latitude to see what we can recommend…It’s not a very attractive free agent market in my mind."
Brian Sabean at the beginning of the offseason. Not a very attractive free agent market. Guys are getting $3-3.5M per marginal win, and it’s not an attractive free agent market. A star player like Matt Holliday is out there, signs for way less than Teix, but it’s not an attractive free agent. No, we can’t even make a competitive offer to Holliday, because we can’t afford it. We can afford Bengie fucking Molina + incentives, Sanchez, Huff, Uribe, DeRosa, but not an actual difference maker like Holliday. Bullshit, Brian. You fucked up again. Another season wasted as we watch others make the playoffs while we’re home in October. Another offseason spending our money on veterans, and as of the present, it looks like we’re going to make a big mistake bringing Bumgarner up before we should. Sigh.
It’s not a very attractive free agent market in my mind."
So his motivation is to make it more attractive by clearing out the unsightly fat.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
I wonder if Freddy Sanchez might not end up being the biggest overpay of the offseason this year. (That would give us how many consecutive years of that particular honor?)
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
There's so much opportunity for our G.M. to NOT be the worst in the league
It’s truly phenomenal how he pulls this shit off.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I assume this has been said, but...
shaundarbie: Did you ever make an offer for Matt Holliday?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed [Matt] Holliday, we would have been without [Freddy] Sanchez, [Benjie] Molina, [Aubrey] Huff, [Juan] Uribe, and [Mark] DeRosa — obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It’s amazing how it’s still the same failed strategy, years later. Yet Brian Sabean is still employed.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions
EXACTLY the same
It truly is amazing. What’s more, I think that he actually buys that people don’t want to play at AT&T park. He is putty in agents’ hands. He is such a tool.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I think he tells them they don’t want to play in AT&T park.
by Missing Barry on Jan 20, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Anger! ANGER! frustration…calm…indifference…sleepy time…knbr…newsflash…frustration…anger! ANGER!
we need some mccovey ritalin to keep us balanced, methinks
Les Plack = more chicks
Dingerz.exe League Champs 2009- The Rile Rods...managed by yours truly.
by Headhunter Rollins on Jan 20, 2010 8:46 AM PST reply actions
I'm more angry about Massachussetts Senate race
And more motivated about Haiti. Good thing for the Giants FO (pitchfork still in stable).
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Please, someone, defend this waste of space we call a GM
Just please. Let me know how. Why the hell is he still employed? We learnt that OBP = RUNSZ eons ago; Brian Sabean couldn’t get the goddamn message?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I was out at a Scout troop meeting last night when I saw the news on my phone. I went over to the corner and started cursing to myself. A leader came over and asked what was wrong (we had previously discussed how he too was a giants fan, I just did not know how much) and I told him the Giants just re-signed Molina and he goes “SON OF A BITCH! I wanted Posey”
I am friends with this man now.
Seriously, I cannot understand how this move is allowed to be made. 4.5 million which will be 6 million because there is no way that Bochy does not play him to get his incentive. Plus I still see Bochy trying to slide him into cleanup after a week of DeRosa or Huff not cutting it.
“We need to get our proven RBI guy back in there so we can start scoring some runs”
GODDAMN BULLSHIT.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
Has anyone ever considered that 80 RBI
for a cleanup hitter BLOWS DONKEY!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 20, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
win
and he goes "SON OF A BITCH! I wanted Posey"
Giants fan merit badge! Billions served since 1954
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
Stop whining already
Bengie is back, deal with it. If he acts like a baby when Posey gets here, they will trade him at the deadline. I think it should be very clear to Bengie at this point that he’s lucky to be here again, and he will be a bit more humble.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Jan 20, 2010 9:44 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Thats the point of frustration though.
No, they won’t move him at the deadline, no he won’t be more humble.
As Grant said, the Giants re-signed him because they still think he is a better player then Posey, and that he is still the “RBI GUY”.
After publicly stating “That ship has sailed” Molina now knows that the Giants cannot back up their threats. If he complains, either about being replaced, or wanted to make his performance incentives, he know Bochy will play him, and Sabes will back him, because Sabes cannot admit he is wrong about anything.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
He will not be traded. If another team wanted him, they would have signed him now for free, rather than trading some talent for him later.
And he will whine. He is not humble. He has always overvalued his talent level and importance, and it won’t stop now. Hell, the team just re-signed him – he’s got the advantage, here. And Bochy has such a hard-on for him, we’ll see him more than we should. Posey will be lucky to see any playing time.
And I don’t know about anybody else here, but I expect that any slump from DeRosa or Huff will result in Molina back in the 4 hole, where he’ll stay forever.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
And I don’t know about anybody else here, but I expect that any slump from DeRosa or Huff will result in Molina back in the 4 hole, where he’ll stay forever.
THIS IS MY FEAR
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
This is my expectation.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
This is your brain on drugs
Bad, bad drugs.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
This is my brain on Giants Baseball
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#2 in Fanshots
And since the guy's work ethic appears to have slumped in favor of whining
I really don’t expect Molina to be as good or better than last year. I used to like the guy a lot. He was independent (I think he still may be his own agent). He was eloquent on the radio. But then he went all primadonna, and he pulled it with a bunch of enabler douches. Our pain, his gain.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I actually think the Giants might have created the Bengie monster who overvalues his own talent and importance, by turning a guy who spent most of his career struggling simply to hold down a starting job into a guy who plays 130 games a year without question and bats cleanup the whole time.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
6 mil ain't free
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
by stealth snail on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Of course not, from a monetary standpoint – but it wouldn’t be 6 mil plus a player. If another team signed him as a non-tendered FA, it wouldn’t cost them a player in return. That’s the “free” part.
Or did I fall into a chasm?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
any chance Molina joins operation Panda?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Not much time
And he’s got his 4.5 6 mil coming. Would you change your ways?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Wow, I just realized that's LaRoche money
That’s Nick Johnson money.
I’m not even mad anymore. Just puzzled at the amazing lack of brains.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Just like a Zombie trying to eat a coconut.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, if brains were as scrumptions and energizing as coconut water
I’d eat ’em!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
scrumptions?
not sure what those are. Meant scrumptious.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Maybe they are. There must be a reason zombies love them so much.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Maria Shriver says they are delicious.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
BOOYA!!! FIRST LADY DISS!!! WITH AUTHORITY!!!
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
PUT THE BISQUIT IN THE BASKET!!!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
IT PUTS THE BISQUIT IN THE BASKET OR IT GETS THE HOES
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
My girlfriend had brains served regularly in her high school cafeteria.
She says they’re pretty gross.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I've sampled brains.
Mixed with eggs, it’s hard to tell the difference.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 20, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
R U SAYIN BRIN SAYBEAN HAZ EGGS N HIZ NOODLE
Hard to tell the difference indeed.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, but it’ll be a new operation Panda, in which he does his best to weigh as much as one.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
no
and if he did, he won’t run any faster. Pablo is fast despite the pounds. Bengie is just slow.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 20, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
Ratoo has a column today where he states that the 2010 payroll will reach 100 million
The Giants have a franchise record payroll for this upcoming season! I look at this fact and then look at the roster. I would cry if it were not so damned funny.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 AM PST reply actions
Ratto as well
But I think I like Ratoo better.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Makes him sound like some awful George Lucas character.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
NANOO NANOO
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
my God this is depressing.
"It appears that Sabean is playing a game of chicken with Neukom wherein he elucidates the most outrageous things he could do as ML GM without getting fired." - cornball
#2 in Fanshots
by scout6 on Jan 20, 2010 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
suck for your buck?
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
I don’t know if there has ever been a more appropriate time to “TWSS” a comment.
by deuce deuce on Jan 20, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
incentives
i haven’t read the whole thread. can anyone tell me what they are, and how molina reaches them ?
All that they’ve said so far is that it’s based on the amount of games he plays.
by deuce deuce on Jan 20, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
WEDNESDAY, 7:52am: Sheets topped out at 92 mph on Tuesday, writes Tabby Soignier of The News-Star.
..
Soignier noted the presence of the Giants and Pirates, two clubs not on our list below.
Oh nice. This would have been plausible if the Giants hadn’t blown their wad on Molina.
Interesting.
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Topping out at 92 doesn’t sound that great. Anybody have a better recollection than I about how hard Sheets threw pre-injury?
According to Fangraphs
His fastball averaged 92.8 in 2007 and 2008.
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
http://rluzinski.blogspot.com/2008/04/ben-sheets-3rd-start-changeup-edition.html
92 is pretty good for January, I would think.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Isn't it a 2-seamer though?
With some good movement?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
well, the wad was shot by the time of this
so theoretically, they think they could still be interested
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
But is he fat?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Also
The wads on Molina thing is not an image I savor.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I'm going to shamelessly use this one more time
Chris ((S.I. N.Y.)) Jim what does this do to Posey now that the Giants resigned Molina. Do we see him more then another September Call up in 2010?
Jim Callis
(1:43 PM) I don’t think Posey will have to wait that long. He has some receiving issues the Giants want him to address. If he takes care of business, I think he’ll be up by midseason.
Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
This definitely surprised me as well, but let’s face it, Bengie was the best free agent catcher on the market. Now we’re actually getting someone who can put some more thump and RBIs into the lineup, as well as work well with Posey and the pitching staff. It seemed for so long that Bengie was off the market for the Giants, but it’s hard to argue with a 1/4.5 deal. I like this signing as long as, like everyone has been saying, he doesn’t bad any higher than 6th.
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he doesn’t bad any higher than 6th.
He’s gonna bad no matter where he is in the lineup
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
by wjackalope on Jan 20, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hee
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
by stealth snail on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yorvit
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
wow….wow……wooohoooooo….
who has been or power guy lately. Sandoval and molina….now, add huff..derosa..sanchez…a healthy rowand… Goshh I can’t wait for opening day..molina is a great signing. Torrealba doesn’t have the pop that we need at our park. If byrnes steps his game up and signs with us….we are looking at a very serious contenders for next year…go giants…bengie batting 6th or higher
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Natto's polyanna alter ego, "Neatto", has gained control of his pooter
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
HEY!
Are you calling Natto a girl?
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
If the bra fits. . .
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
He’s just big-boned.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
Nah
I’m not talking about the person who gained control of his peeter
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Oh, OK
But you just leave his pooter out of this!
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
He needs that for pooting.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I’M POOTIN’!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I’m having a hard time rationalizing this move. I just hate watching Molina play. Other than occasional hilarity inspired by his incredible lack of speed, what’s to like about him?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
More cushion for the pushin’?
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
UGH
Enough Molina innuendo!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Who are you and what have you done with Natto?!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Gosh I’m getting sick of fans from other teams being condescending about this, all, “I don’t get why Giants fans are complaining! This is a fair deal and Posey will probably start in the second half!”
to fans of other teams saying that: kindly stfu if you don’t actually have any clue as to how the Giants are run. And if you think Bengie, after wanting a three year deal, assumedly to start all three years, is going to be at all on board with being a part time player for half the year, YOU ARE NOT OPERATING IN REALITY
also I know this is, in a vacuum, a fair deal. But you can’t just look at moves in a vacuum if you are a fan of the team. If you are one of thepeople who got , frankly, sick of Molinas act last season, you are not going to give a fuck that this deal is fair in a vacuum. Add that feeling to the rest of the offseason, and it shouldn’t be that surprising that we’re pissed
the giants have a window of opportunity right now and they’re pissing it away on a boring and mediocre product
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Jan 20, 2010 11:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think this will turn out to be a really good signing. Molina was our 2nd best producer last year so I have no problem bringing him back, especially since word on the street is that Buster has been struggling in winter ball. I am excited about Buster but I think he needs a good 80 or 90 games in AAA before he’s ready to come and platoon at catcher with Benji for the home stretch. I honestly would not mind seeing Benji catch for Tim, Cain, and Zito then have Buster catch for Sanchez and Bumgartner for the last few months of the season. That would be a great transition to had over the full timei job to Buster next year. I honestly just get so sick of people complaining of how awful a job Sabean does with personel moves. Its not his fault that big time players don’t want to come hit in HUGE att park. They need to think about moving the fence in like what the Tigers did a few years back. I think Sabean has done a fine job in putting more pop in the line-up this year considering the financial limitations imposed on him. And as far as people crying for more "home grown" players to get a shot……..I remember alot of those home grown players getting a shot over the last 2 years (Torres, Ishi, Nate, Bowker, Dowd, Frandsen, Velez, Burriss) and they didn’t quite get the job done. You can’t just sit around and HOPE that the young guys will someday reach their potential. I’m happy about Molina, DeRosa, F. Sanchez, and especially Huff. NL pennant this fall, i can taste it!
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Someone needs to go see who is using Natto’s computer. I suspect Natto’s corpse is stuffed under his desk, with some drugged maniac poised at the keyboard.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Who are you?
And what have you done with the real Natto?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jan 20, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
We are all asking this question
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Pedro Feliz is asking this question.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
His girlfriend is getting back at him for that “looking at the menu” comment he made last night.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 20, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
She found out it was a tasting menu.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 20, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of the moves made this year would be nice in a vacuum.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
As long as they went out with the filter bag.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 20, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Really though, this team has no sense of the big picture.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
To their credit, the big picture is scary
- GIS for “the big picture”:
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
So, having Molina back is nice to a certain extent, but what everyone is forgetting is the fact we had the "Big Unit" to start the season off last year and then "Brad Penny" to finish it.
I think we need to think about a 5th starter as I was NOT impressed with what I saw with Bumgarner. He reminded me of the used to be much coveted Kurt Ainsworth who didn’t have a 2nd pitch that was worth a hoot.
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I really don’t want to know what site you’re getting these from. I assume SFGate though.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 20, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
xanthan, please manipulate the intertubez
restore Natto’s hard drive
Reboot!
Reboot!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Hawt!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Jan 20, 2010 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I am going to tell you anyway
http://www.sfgiantsbaseball.net/
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I can actually sort of get behind this (except I think Bum will be good eventually)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Jan 20, 2010 11:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yes Giants fans. There are alot things getting me pumped for this 2010 season.First and foremost is I am getting behind all our acquistions Sabean got us. Even though I’d like to see an established, consistent bat in the every day line up, I still like the ones we have.Our starting rotation will be tops in the league and our bullpen will compete.Our closer,Brian Wilson…enough said…
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DUST BUSTER????
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
PS WE HAVE A NEW ORANGE JERSEY WE KNOW YOU’RE GONNA LOVE! BUY TEN!
by satyricrash on Jan 20, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I NO DUST BUSTER ANYMORE!!
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Hey, remember the last FA player who turned down the Mets for SF?
Those basturds, they’ll flirt with the fat and very high maintenance girls to get them riled up then they hand them to us as wives.
Win the inning.
Mmm...wives...
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Wives
At least you know they will leave afterwards
WHY IS BENGIE?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 20, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
note to pika
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 20, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
LARS THE ADULTERER!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
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