Tim Lincecum's future contract
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 10:39 AM PST
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PrintThe word on the tweet is that Tim Lincecum is prepared to file a nice, safe arbitration request for $12M or so. That’s not cheap, mind you, but it’s far from the $25M, roster-limiting bear trap that some folks were predicting. The Giants will offer something like $9M, using Ryan Howard’s MVP season as a comp, and hopefully they’ll settle before the Giants embarrass themselves by using Lincecum’s RBI totals against him in an arbitration hearing.
The next step is a contract extension. Hey, Felix Hernandez got one, and he’s the guy that Mariners fans like to pretend is as empirically awesome as Tim Lincecum. Hey, you know what would have been neat for Mariners fans? If they had drafted Lincecum instead of Brandon Morrow. Then they would have had Hernandez and Lincecum. I wonder if they realize that? I think I’ll go over and write a FanPost at Lookout Landing.
For some reason, though, I’m able to leave my robe of emotions outside of the fan shower on this one*. The Giants are probably having talks with Lincecum’s agent about an extension that buys out his arbitration years, and I’m all for that. If nothing gets done, though, it isn’t time to panic.
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The worst-case (financial) scenario if Lincecum doesn’t agree to an extension
Lincecum continues to pitch like the cyborg that he is more often than not. The Giants go year to year with Lincecum, and at the end of 2013, he leaves as a free agent. In the four years before his departure, though, the Giants will have had the services of best pitcher in baseball for 4/$90M or so, which would still have been a sweet deal. If Lincecum has an off year, or if he were injured, the total contract would be less than the $90M. If his arm totally blows up, the Giants wouldn’t be locked into anything. And, yes, I made the sign of the cross, looked at the sky, and muttered something in Italian after I typed that last sentence.
The worst-case (financial and emotional) scenario if Lincecum signs a big six-year extension that buys out his arbitration years
Lincecum would now be guaranteed $100M, regardless if he lost a thumb in a roadside knife-fight with a drifter. The Giants would ensure that he wouldn’t bolt for Yankee cash after 2013, but that would come with a substantial risk if his production drops for whatever reason.
When it comes to a pitcher – any pitcher, even if he’s the best in the game – I’d rather have him on a 4/$90M contract than a 6/$110M contract. If Lincecum and his agent successfully navigate the young pitcher gauntlet all the way to free agency, more power to them. They made it past the final round without any lifelines left, even when the last two questions were about opera and taxonomy. Then the Giants will have to decide if a 30-year-old pitcher is a good enough risk to lock up with a franchise contract. That’s so far into the future, it’s not even worth contemplating. So , so much can happen.
For sentimental reasons, I’d like an extension for Lincecum. If one doesn’t get done, though, it’s far from panic time. He’s still here for four more seasons.
*I don’t know what that means either, but it’s vaguely creepy and descriptive, so it stays
Also of note: the greatest unread comment in the history of FanGraphs…until now.
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GET IT DONE GIANTS BRASS!
Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"
by 49er16 on Jan 19, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm a bit disappointed that you don't have a pic of yourself with stringy long hair.
Howiepics always brighten my day.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
Hair could be stringier, but I do have a bird!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My shoulder is a bird. Your argument is invalid.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Business in the front
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 19, 2010 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Hansen just knocked on my door.
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 19, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
Is that a bird… ON DOPE?!?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 19, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
But his underpants are so clean!
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by satyricrash on Jan 19, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I really wish this weren’t the first thing that pops up on my screen every time I click the comments link.
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Pay The Man
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 10:47 AM PST reply actions
Year to year via arbitration is fine with me
Mitigate team risk while paying the guy the dollars he deserves based on performance.
Any money saved by buying his arb years out isn’t going to go back into the team anyway.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 10:47 AM PST reply actions
Exactly. I only care if it gets us a Carlos Pena, which it won’t
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
That.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I would too, but the difference is a 4/$90M contract that you can bail out of in the event of catastrophe, and a 6/$110M contract that you’re fully committed. With that distinction, I take the former.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Do you suppose Brass has anticipated this and for the last year has had a medical team down in the basement studying the effects of long term spinal torsion by twisting a model of a spine and measuring the loss in elasticity of the discs, etc?
Or, in order to further protect their investment will they offer Tim a pipeline from Humboldt with safe go – betweens so he’s not burned in any bad deals and goes into a blind rage and gets into a gun battle and oh God I’m throwing up on my keyb
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, we just witnessed the end of victor frankenstein…well until he gets a new keyboard at least.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Is 100 million dollars enough to pay everyone off so that it becomes legal?
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't it spectacularly easy to get a medical marijuana license?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
He could just go to the neighborhood dispensary with a note from the team doctor.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 19, 2010 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Chances are slim that Timmy will sign a long term deal now
It makes more financial sense now for him to go to arbitration every year until he hits free agency. Of course there are also advantages to signing a bigger contract now than what King Felix got (I thought LeBron was the King?) as he still gets a guaranteed Giant paycheck should he get injured or Zito’d on the Giants somewhere in the next 4-5 years.
Win the inning.
I would be ok with either a long term contract or going year to year.
Best case for me is if he signed a long-term contract at a reasonable price so he gets his guarenteed money and Giants get a bit of a price break.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I think pretty much this too. Except I probably favor the year to year thing. I doubt Timmy will sign anything that goes into free agency years, so the possible saved money is less valuable than a big albatross contract if he gets hurt, considering the long term commitments they already have.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Jan 19, 2010 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
I just wanna get it done.
And not worry about looseing Tim, he is the only think I look forward to every morning, if he went to the Yankee’s……I would probably die.
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 19, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I just wanna get it done
and loose Tim upon the world as a Giant for an unprecedented run of unprecedented dominance.
Jason who?
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I’d like to see what the arb numbers are first. But overall, I’m ok with year to year at this level of $$$ commitment. There’s too much risk with a pitcher.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Especially a righ hander
That’s why I’m also a little worried about giving any pitcher a long term deal, even Lincecum.
Randy Hahn: "I’ve been referred to as a playa…"
Let me think
Zito makes everyone gun-shy!!
Lincicum’s agent was overly generous to the G-men this year by coming in at $13M. Next year, if he comes close to the Cy again, (if healthy he will), he will be looking for $19-24M most likely. If the G’s were able to get him to sign a 7 yr. $120M deal, and he continues to perform, you are getting a pitcher who will command $30M/yr. on the FA market when the time comes….or 7yrs. 210M…why would you NOT take that risk. If healthy, he is one of the toughest pitchers ever and even after 7 yrs. would still only be 32. I would even think 10 yrs. $185M. If he breaks down, they can insure the contract. It could also have a couple “opt out” and option clauses, as well as IP clauses to make sure he is able to stay healthy.
If he pitches 18 or 19 seasons and continues his unprecedented success, he will be worth a couple BILLION to the Giants and will cost, if he stays and uses open market $$ (based upon today’s values) around $450-500M for his career. If the Giants can long-range contract him at a bit of a discount and continue to do so for the remainder of his career, they can likely save over $100M….a pretty good idea (I hope his agent doesn’t read this).
We’re past the point of getting him to sign a Cain or Lowry style deal, so I think the reward for signing him now is pretty low. Stick with the arbitration game.
Juan Carlos Perez, please start hitting.
+1
The chance to get him at a supreme bargain is long past due at this point.
by deuce deuce on Jan 19, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
yup it wouldn’t be completely terrible if he goes to arbitration for a couple of years. If he’s still showing to keep up and stay healthy I wouldn’t mind giving him a 4 year deal but nothing higher than that even for Lincecum. And maybe this is me being too optimistic but I don’t think Timmy is the kind of guy that is all about the money but he does want to win
Now batting catcher Buster Posey
my dream for 2010
Smallest fine print EVAR
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was a bit weirded out by that commenter
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
who? the ‘BACK TO BACK BABY!!!’ guy?
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Back to back BABBY!!!
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Jan 19, 2010 11:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
WIT HRR PANTS ON DUH GROUN
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, one more thing...
LOL BONDSLEGEND MONTANA JOKE!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions
PIE EATING CRAP FACE
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I’ll go year to year for a couple more seasons. A six-year contract is just too big of a risk for basically a 2 year extension.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I don’t think that Lincecum is the only appealing part of the Giants.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
The answer was c. Only thing worth watching in an otherwise shitty, go-nowhere mess.
by Every6thDay on Jan 19, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Ha, no.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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What about Panda, Posey or Cain?
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I like pronouncing his name hone-a-thon
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Yeah
I don’t like watching No-Hitters
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
If I may...
Megan Fox is definitely the BEST part of the Transformers movies, but there’s also the action and special effects (Pablo, Cain & Sanchez)… there are other reasons to see Transformers despite it’s guaranteed-to-suck look, but the main reason, at least in that analogy, is to see Megan Fox.
by Every6thDay on Jan 19, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry
I grew up in the 80’s
and Optimus Prime is the best part of the films and is in my house.
You can’t say that about Megan Fox and her gigantic thumbs
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
Optimus Prime is in your house!
That is awesome!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Megan Fox needs to eat a sandwich or two.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Megan Fox is so hot!
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
i wouldn't mind being in jennifers body!
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 19, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
“Shit Sandwich.”
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Jan 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
How can you say she's not hot? seriously?
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 19, 2010 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
He didn’t say that.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Why would you question someone’s attraction? Attraction isn’t a conscious thing.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Jan 19, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
No matter how hot you think she is
She’ll never go out with you
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
osnap
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW
personally I wouldn’t want to go out with her. Seems to have the personality of a plant, and that would get old pretty quick.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
meh
from my estimation, she isn’t one.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
She’ll be devastated.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I admire her dedication to producing oxygen at such a trying time as this.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
me and megan fox
when we make love, it’s carbon neutral
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Just my opinion
SO SUE ME, OK
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
The only cool Plant (sssh, PiKA) is Robert.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
yeah.....those plants are awesome...
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 19, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
not IMO
she’s fine looking, but I wouldn’t go see a movie just for her. She’s too annoying.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'd go to the movies with her
Although she would probably be annoyed of me quick as I like to make witty comments on every thing that happens in the movie,
whoops! misread your comment
You wouldn’t go see a movie FOR her….gotcha
‘witty’
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 19, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
I’d watch certain movies with her, if you know what I mean.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I am, of course, referring to movies with robots and explosions.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I did not know what you meant
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Transformers Revenge of the Fallen had them!
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I would watch some of the movie with her.
Just not much… (wink)
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I would say, “I’m sorry if this offends you in any way but you have very large…..thumbs.”
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
more cushion for the handjobs?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
jhiat’s manhood would suffer by comparison to her thumbs. A handjob would only drive the point home.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
drive the point home
This may have been what the lady uttered, herself.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Her silly Monroe tattoo is more distracting than her gigandor thumbs
It’s just so random and I find it funny that Bay blurred that portion of her arm in Transformers 2.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 19, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
She has a Monroe tattoo?
James or Bill?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
A handjob would only drive the point home.
That’s a rather well-crafted pun.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
That movie basically just involved putting a giant vibrator in a giant fleshlight, though.
But the explosion was pretty cool.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I haz no original materials.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Josh Duhamel:Transformers
Tim Lincecum : San Francisco Giants
sorry boys
by igotnothing on Jan 19, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Silly Grant
Filipinos can’t grow Ted Kaczynski beards
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:14 AM PST reply actions
Well there is an unused merkin around here somewhere.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Yep, he can always be found hiding by the Jelly Belly’s with a merkin on his face.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
It’s not every day that you find merkins on your crabs.
From what I’ve read, it’s usually the other way around.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
This is a humorous thing to say.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Priority=“69”
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
This is just as a super two...
He is is likely going to make between 70-75 million in his arb years if he keep’s going year to year, basically what Felix got to buy out his arb years and 2 free agency years.
I’d like to lock him up for a couple reasons. First, I don’t think he’s going to break down; he had some marathon games in college and in the majors, he’s missed a grand total of one start in the past (almost) three years, and from what I’ve heard his mechanics lessen the strain on his arm and elbow, which should make him more durable.
Second, unless he falls off a cliff, even one lost year in a six year contract would make a $110M commitment worth it. Lincecum is worth 5/110 easily on the free agent market, and though we should get him cheaper because he’s under team control, the arb process has gotten stupid, so we can’t guarantee that.
Third, the contract represents a team commitment to Lincecum as the franchise player (like he isn’t already), a guy to build around, and that’s psychologically important to the team, the management, and most importantly, the fanbase.
Fourth, I think the arbitration process would screw the team (and ultimately, Lincecum; more money for him means less money for the team which means less money for FAs to fix holes which means a worse team overall which means a lower chance to make the postseason and win a title, assuming he’s not in it entirely for the money) because I don’t see Lincecum getting hurt or having some massive drop in production. I think he’ll get around $12M next year, then $18M or so, and after that, we could be paying him almost $30M a season until free agency. That’s waaay too much money for one player barring massive, Zimbabwe-esque inflation.
Ultimately, the only way I see that a long-term contract (example here is six years) screws us is if Lincecum either misses two or more years or he “misses” two or more years; i.e. his production drops to the point that he’s a replacement level player (that doesn’t have to happen over two years continuously; a few months here and there could do it). I don’t see either of those things happening, so sign him ASAP.
by quincy0191 on Jan 19, 2010 11:23 AM PST reply actions 9 recs
Third, the contract represents a team commitment to Lincecum as the franchise player (like he isn’t already), a guy to build around, and that’s psychologically important to the team, the management, and most importantly, the fanbase.
THIS
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Yes, that.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Jan 19, 2010 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
These.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
/grabs crotch
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
But not those.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
you’re getting wrecked rec’d
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
more money for him means less money for the team which means less money for FAs to fix holes which means a worse team overall
I don’t think this matters at all; basically because I don’t believe the money saved will actually be used. I can’t see any reason why I should favor saving Bow Tie some money that he isn’t going to put back into the team anyway.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
And — DIVIDENDS!!
The Giants already spend enough to field a competitive team. The Giants are not interested in winning a World Series. Everybody should just let that sink into their brains. The Giants are not interested in winning a World Series. Maybe some of the younger guys are, but not the organization. They are not opposed to or actively against the pursuit of winning one, but just know that isn’t the goal of the San Francisco Giants. It’s about making money for the shareholders.
by Every6thDay on Jan 19, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly how i feel
They bragged about how much revenue they made off their new comcast deal and how they have some other projects in plan to increase revenue even more yet they give us the same 90M budget. What a bunch of bullshit.
I’m half in agreement and half in disagreement here. I think it depends on the money saved; if we lock him up for $17M a year and save $8M of his potential $25M salary, that’s more likely to be reinvested than if we save $2M. I think the payroll will hover around $90M (which isn’t enough given revenue), and we’ll sign a better FA if we can and it doesn’t take the payroll too high. So generally, I’d rather save some money if we can, because if it doesn’t help, oh well, but if it does, then yay!
almost $30M a season until free agency
I think the chances of him getting $10M more than the next highest-paid pitcher in the game — through arbitration, no less — are about the same as Kevin Pucetas winning a Cy Young next year.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Well, I wouldn’t predict close to $30M a season until arb 3 or 4, and that’s in two years and in two offseasons; who knows what pitchers will get crazy contracts next year (Webb?) or the year after. And assuming no one does better than Sabathia’s $23M, “almost $30M” is around $27-30M, and I don’t think getting $4M more than Sabathia by arb 3 or 4 is crazy. Some people were saying that a $23M figure this year wasn’t ridiculous (they might be, though), and if people are already saying that, in two years it’ll be a foregone conclusion.
THIS
Eli Whiteside : Catching no-no's and hitting grand slams
by BleedBlackNOrange on Jan 19, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
First, I don’t think he’s going to break down; he had some marathon games in college and in the majors, he’s missed a grand total of one start in the past (almost) three years, and from what I’ve heard his mechanics lessen the strain on his arm and elbow, which should make him more durable.
Mark Prior
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
cough cough Dustiny cough cough
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Mark Prior’s mechanics are nothing like Tim’s.
I know they said the same thing about both, but that doesn’t mean they are really comparable.
Part of it, of course, is that pitchers pretty much all get injured at some point.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
They’re obviously different, but I am comparing them because they said the same thing about both.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
right
but you have different sets of people saying the same things about both.
If someone really liked Prior’s mechanics, there is no way that they also like Tim’s.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
6 years sounds nice. I don’t want to have to go through this arb crap every year.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 19, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Hate to be heretical
But I don’t think Lincecum would take the same deal Felix got, and I’m not sure I’d offer it; doesn’t seem like a big enough discount to me. In any case, I’d rather just go the arbitration route since I don’t trust Sabean to negotiate a decent deal.
To the "Lock up" crowd
I think the Giants absolutely want to lock him up, I think they have since his rookie year. It’s Lincecum’s side that prefers to go year to year, which so far is looking like it could be brilliant
I think the bulk of the risk is in Lincecum’s court, and he’d be silly not to realize that. He’d be risking $80M for an extra $20M (rough, uneducated guess).
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve never understood the logic of taking this kind of risk. What can you get out of life with $100 million that you can’t get with $80 million?
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and... relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants?
There's a huge difference.
$80M will get you one shitty little island. $100M will get you an entire archipelago.
"El once, chico. Eleven."
Fixed
What can you get out of life with $100 $50 million after taxes that you can’t get with $80 $40 million after taxes?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Good point.
Playing in CA is a lot less enticing than playing in a state with no income tax, WA, TX, FL. 10.3% on every dollar earned past $1 million is a big chunk of your salary at those levels.
South Dakota needs an expansion team.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Actually it's the same chunk of your salary
no matter what your salary is.
But it is a larger pile of money.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
It’s still $20M that he can give to UW to build the Lincecum Wing. It’s $20M more to split among his heirs. It’s $1M more for 20 friends who want to start a record label, or something. It’s still $20M.
But there’s no way the difference between $80M and $100 would be worth the risk for me.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Right, there will always be cool stuff to do with $20 million. I just think that once you get to the point of having “silly money” like Lincecum has, it becomes just that: cool stuff. I don’t think it’s worth risking much over.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and... relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants?
He doesn't have "silly money" yet
he’s gotten like 800k a year, right?
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by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Endorsements = $$$
He had that video game cover, possibly shoe and glove deals as well as Rocky’s Corner Spot Weed Supply Co.; who were overjoyed when Lincecum was caught with their weed in his glove box.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 19, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
but at this point, he doesn’t have what I’d call “F U” money. Obviously he’s well off, but it’s not in the realm of the tens of millions he’s going to get.
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by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Having never made more than 58,000/yr I’d call another $550k “Fuck you idiot ex mother – in – law I can now afford legal representation against for the upcoming harassment suit” money.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I could probably let the dogs out with $550k.
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That would at least resolve one question that’s been bugging me for a few years.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What question is that?
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What could jhiat00 do with an extra $550k?
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Well I said ‘probably’. There’s also a chance it would all go to hookers and blow.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Should it go that way
Mesa hookers are cheaper.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Yes but Apache Junction hookers are willing to do more.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Noted.
/lives next to AJ
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
making it rain
still out of the question
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Yeah
it’s a shit ton of money, don’t get me wrong. But for a guy like lincecum, who’s going to make 20 mil/year at some point in the near future, it isn’t. It’s all relative.
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lest we forget the amount of Chiba 20 million can get you….
ZING
by NeifiChicken on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Dirty signed a deal
The Giants have avoided salary arbitration with Jonathan Sanchez by agreeing to a one-year, $2.1 million deal with the left-hander on Tuesday.
Now batting catcher Buster Posey
my dream for 2010
BOOM
Fanshot
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
by Tim LinCyYoung on Jan 19, 2010 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Come gather ‘round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone.
JUST A CITY BOY
by shanghaijim on Jan 19, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
Come (sports)writers and critics who prophesize with your pens…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Jan 19, 2010 1:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I thought for half a second that was real.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Seems like a good deal to me
I was expecting to sign for about 4 mil
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……he left the courthouse today with a $513 fine in tow.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Lincecum a yankee? Gone in 4 years?
Curse you, Grant, for putting these horrible thoughts in my head.
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Red Sox it is, then
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I'm having a bad day
Will someone post Sabean eating a sandwich pic?
Baltimore: A horseshit city
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 19, 2010 11:40 AM PST reply actions
Sorry for the belated reply
I live to serve:
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by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol every time. brightened my day til i saw molina re-signed
thanks
Baltimore: A horseshit city
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 19, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
I am taking solace here.
I’m debating even clicking that thread again – the Sanchez news and the Molina joke are like polar opposites.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
My biggest concern with the year-to-year arbitration process is that it can get pretty ugly, if I understand properly… There’s a better chance for hard feelings that might make Lincecum want to walk away sooner than later.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Can we have Brandon Morrow now too? Maybe he’ll pitch better close to home, and then it’ll suck doubly for the dubious Mariners
He's a Blue Jay now
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Does it happen today, following his marijuana trial? lol.
What's the matter with Sabean?!?!? He's a bum!
by The Montana Giant on Jan 19, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
1:09
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
by jhiat00 on Jan 19, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In other news…
The Dodgers have agreed to two-year deals with Andre Ethier and Jonathan Broxton. The deals are pending physicals.
Ethier’s is supposedly $15m+ with incentives.
SIRM got 1 yr $5.05m.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Schulman with some great Twitter reporting
Giants shortly to announce one-year deal with Jonathan Sanchez for about $2.1 million. Team exhanges arb $$$ numbers today.
and then…
Menat to say team to exchange arb $$$ with Tim Linceucm and Brian Wilson today.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
dude what?
RT: @BNightengale: #mlb #twins Carl Pavano agrees to a one-year, $7 million contract with Twins, no incentives.
Isn’t this a little ridiculous?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Last year he was good
and he also played in most of the games, which is rare for him. I think Sabes should’ve asked for him as well as Garko in the trade with Cleveland. That way we would’ve avoided the JOEY/ :(owski experiment. And the Giants probably have a ton of Yohan Pino’s in the minors.
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The Giants really fucked up by not signing Duchscherererererererererer.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
And yet both Doug Davis AND Jon Garland are still floating around there. They must be negotiating using the “101 Simple Secrets of Overvaluing Yourself and Costing Yourself Missions” by Adam LaRoche.
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Doug Davis even has bay area ties
CLOSETS FULL OF THEM!
I think Pavano is an arbitration case, which is why he’s grossly overpaid. I have no idea why the Twins took that risk.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed. I don’t think any reasonable person would have criticized them if they had just non-tendered him.
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We're going to suck either way
Might as well make sure we keep Lincecum around to distract us.
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by capnk on Jan 19, 2010 12:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Cain, Sandoval, Posey, Bumgarner, Neal, Wheeler, Joseph, Kieschnick
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
OT: for you IT/Comp Admin people
I’ve been getting some controlled Spam on my site. I guess the dumb ass(es) didn’t realize I can track their IP addresses.
Do I have a right to call up their place of employment and complain?
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 12:37 PM PST reply actions
No, you don’t have the right to call up my place of employment and complain.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I haz sirius ishoos
No, really. He/she is at the point of harrassment and making threats.
It’s coming from the same IP address.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
do it
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by bondslegend on Jan 19, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Someone working in Walnut Creek
is about to be put on blast
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I should know this but I don't
Why does Timmy have 4 more arbitration-eligible years instead of 3? I thought arbitration-eligible players had 3 more years of team control.
Help me McCoven. You’re my only hope.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 19, 2010 12:42 PM PST reply actions
He's a Super 2
Due to his service time, he was able to reach arb a year early. The team still gets 6 years of control, which means that he has 4 years of arb.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
From the MLB Website
Q: When does a player become eligible for salary arbitration?
A: A player with three or more years of service, but less than six years, may file for salary arbitration. In addition, a player can be classified as a “Super Two” and be eligible for arbitration with less than three years of service. A player with at least two but less than three years of Major League service shall be eligible for salary arbitration if he has accumulated at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season and he ranks in the top 17 percent in total service in the class of Players who have at least two but less than three years of Major League service, however accumulated, but with at least 86 days of service accumulated during the immediately preceding season.
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confusing answer is confusing
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Thanks
I knew it had to do with “Super Two”, but I wasn’t sure what that was; this clears it up.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 19, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Neyer says
This won’t go to a hearing, and I think they’ll settle on something like $14-$15M.
Well, most of these guesses are coming in high (/insert joke)… I thought most likely was around $10m.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Fuck you, ESPN Rumors
This is going to get costly for the Giants, who could end up paying Lincecum $15-20 million this season, and will have to face arbitration with their star three more times — Lincecum is a Super Two, granting him arbitration status for four years, rather than three.
San Francisco may be forced to trade Lincecum before they shell out $100 million or more via arbitration.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
San Francisco may be forced to trade Lincecum before they shell out $100 million or more via arbitration.
I don’t like the intern who wrote this.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 19, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
and it doesn’t really make sense.
might they be forced to not really make the team better around him? sure.
but they can spend that money, and eventually Zito etc will come off the payroll.
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
THERE THE WIDEWURLD LEEDER IN SPORTZ
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I agree
The Giants are not “forced” to trade anybody. They may not have the resources to run with the likes of the Red Sox or Yankees, but they can pay any player they feel the need to pay.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know
Say the Giants were to save $20m over the course of a six year deal…
At this point is the risk of signing him to a long term deal (injury, loss of stuff, getting eaten by a mutant choco taco, etc.) outweigh the savings of avoiding the arbitration process?
As a Giants fan I want to say yes because it’s Lincecum and he’s the freaking man but six years is a long time for any player to be that productive, let alone a pitcher.
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Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
McCoven’s favorite, Brian Bixler was traded to the Indians today
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 19, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions
Who?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
love Bernarzard was fired six months ago → ???
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by jponry on Jan 19, 2010 1:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am sure this has been debated somewhere in the thread but…
There is no doubt in my mind that as of the Felix Hernandez signing, no long term Timmy deal gets done for a penny less than 100 mil. He’s at least 5/100 if Felix is 5/100, and I don’t know if I want to give any pitcher 20 mil a year for 5 years. I think going year to year is the best case scenario. I know that he is very durable, but he could get hit in the face with a liner, or he could get stoned out of his mind and drive off the road into a tree. If we didn’t have Zeets, I think you do it, but with this panty waist front office, there’s no way they would up the payroll in such circumstances.
And don’t go “insurance policy” on me because from what I hear they are pretty much impossible to get for SPs.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
TYPO: Felix is 5/80 not 5/100.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
If you had bothered to read the thread you would know that this has not been debated. It’s pretty much crab infested merkins and transformers.
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I still say that Optimus Prime should have never tried on that crab-infested merkin.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I guess you could say there was more than meets the eye.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
I don’t know. The giant, tranformer-sized crabs infesting the giant, transformer-sized merkin were pretty aparent to the naked eye.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed the Optimus Prime Pic, and the Krazy Krab infested Merkin.
I figured there might be some decent analysis mixed in. I guess I was wrong.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
CRABS ROLL OUT
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by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I am usually in favor of locking up long term talent
However, I can see some logic behind going year-to-year with Lincecum at this juncture. The reason is simply that odds are he is not going to win 4 more Cys in the next 4 years (blasphemy, I know – note that I will say that he might deserve 4…).
It’s possibly that AT THIS MOMENT coming off essentially “100% Cy Youngs” that Tim’s value might actually decrease (a little) if he drops to, I dunno 2nd or 4th or even 6th (horrors) in the Cy voting… and as such, it might make sense to wait a year two before offering him a 5-6 year deal.
THAT being said, Priority A#1 supremo is making sure Lincecum is happy and wants to stay a Giant even after his Arb years. So that would superceed any crafty ways to save a few million samoleans.
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Heyman says this
just heard filing numbers on lincecum: $13 mil for tim, $8 mil for giants. looks like theyll battle with ryan howard as comp
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Whoa. I hope that’s correct.
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Doesn't matter what the midpoint is.
Sabean=idiot. He could have stood a chance of winning with 10. 8 is such a no-brainer.
Sabean: Mr. Lincecum has been an outstanding pitcher and there is no questioning his success, but he has never hit 40 HR, and he has zero MVP’s. If I remember right he was like 1-11 in RBI situations last year.
Tim: 100% Cy Youngs. No one has ever done this, or anything close to it. Tim has been the best pitcher in the league since he came to the Giants, and there is reason to believe he will be the most dominating pitcher ever.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
You’re assuming that this will go to arb. I’m not so sure. I’d prefer to go year-to-year at this point, but the Giants might decide for whatever reason (pressure from other owners, don’t want to mess with fallout from fans, blah blah) that it’s in their best interest to sign Timmy to a deal.
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So mebbe 10 - 12? Kickin'!
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 19, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
It will be Tim's number.
There is no averaging or midpoint. The arbiter chooses the number that fits best, which is Tim’s hands down. So, 13 mil. It will take like 3 minutes to figure this one out. The arbiter will look at the figures and laugh, and say to himself, “Man that was the easiest 2 grand I ever made. Next case!”
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
If it goes that far. I’ll bet they come to agreement before then.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Why would Tim sign a deal for less than he will certainly get in arb?
Unless it’s for 6 years, which I am not crazy about.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I think both sides know that once it gets to arb it gets ugly. He just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that would refuse to negotiate before that.
Of course, the Giants might see the $10 mill number and just agree to that.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
If the Giants can get Timmy to pitch for 10M next year they should
do whatever it takes to make that happen.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I was thinking Lincecum submitted $10M…. anyway my main point stands that he doesn’t seem the type to take a hard line and only accept his submitted $13M offer.
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
Does he seem like the type to piss away 2-3 million for no good reason?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
"no good reason"
there’s no guarantee that he’ll get the 13m he asks for, you know.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I wouldn’t say that avoiding a possibly ugly arb process leaving both sides pissed is “no good reason.” Especially when they could just negotiate a deal (even one < $13M).
Brian says a lot of things. Brian only does one thing, though. Get low OBP hacking suckholes who’s best years are in the past. - Missing Barry
wait, so whoever here that panicked was ridiculous?
On the internet?
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
Trade Lincecum Now Before He Ruins Our Payroll
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I See Through Your Bias To What You Did Ther
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 20, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
I sure hope the arb person loves hitters
so he or she will buy the Timmy only matters in 32-35 games while a Ryan Howard factors in ~150 games.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 19, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
off-topic
I was just thinking it would be a good time to start up a Netflix/etc. thread in the fanposts, and then I realized that howie just did one recently and somehow I totally missed it. Oops.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Somehow I left The Omega Man off my sci-fi block. I think it’s because I don’t really like Heston. But on further review, I’d like to see that movie. So I put it on there.
I wonder if there are any other seminal sci-fi flicks I should add to that list.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
We just started watching the first season of Babylon 5
Since we finished going through the entirety of Star Trek a while back.
(LOL NERDS)
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
seminal makes me giggle
"Being a McCoven is like being a member of the Green party. It’s powerlessness is part of the appeal." - oldjacket
It would be hard to whittle down a list of seminal porn flicks, because that basically describes all of them.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Much like the truth, I don’t know if I can handle Planet of the Apes.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Think of the series as comedy. It makes them easier to watch.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 19, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
The first one is genuinely good!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
The planet? Or the movie?
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
I hate every ape I see
From Chimpan-A to Chimpanzee.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
by Tim LinCyYoung on Jan 19, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not a good movie
But it is worth renting for the opening line.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 19, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
GUN BIAS!
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Omar Vizquel knows all about the gunshow
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
I take pictures
by SoFa King Mike on Jan 19, 2010 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Lookout Landing is a bunch of Douches...
Here’s their terms of service…
No politics, no religion, no chatspeak (e.g. lol, ur, brb, +1), no trolling and no unwarranted hostility. Please capitalize and use comprehensible grammar. Read this and this before posting. Follow the rules and you should be fine.
Theyre super lame you cant have more than 3 beers before posting
by 07 playoff push on Jan 19, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions
Wow
i really screwed that up…oh well
by 07 playoff push on Jan 19, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
You’re now banned from Lookout Landing.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
And GSoM.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
CONFORM OR DIE!
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
That sequel wasn’t nearly as good as the original, SKATE OR DIE.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I liked it there
I went over there during the Ms series last year. They’re pretty cool dudes, they just want a clean site that’s easy to moderate.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, hacker extraordinaire. Rescuing moribund Giants lineups since 2008
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
........
….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Heyman makes a prediction that would turn out to be awesome
early prediction: #giants, tim will settled at $10.5 mil midpoint (or slightly above it). i not, theyll do multiyear deal.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I'd prefer 4/100 to 6/120.
And I think it’s almost worth the risk to go year to year rather than drop 25 million a year.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Just made a FanShot
Giants Re-Sign Bengie Molina To One-Year Deal
By Mike Axisa [January 19, 2010 at 3:50pm CST]
The Giants have re-signed catcher Bengie Molina to a one year deal worth $4.5MM, according to CBS 5 Sports in San Francisco.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
this is a joke
right?
……right?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
by Tim LinCyYoung on Jan 19, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
ha
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
Are you sure they didn’t sign Benjie Molina? I hear he recently turned down an offer from the Mets.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2010 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WHAT THE SHIT
The beginning of trying to make this feel okay: uh, it’s only one year, right? Right?
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
To continue,
this is just to delay Posey’s arb clock, yeah? Yeah?
now my plugs for Torrealba aren’t weren’t so out of line, eh?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Jan 19, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
A Day In The Life Of Timothy Leroy Lincecum
McCovey Chronicles: a bunch of shellacking know-it-alls.
by 22gigantes on Jan 19, 2010 4:59 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Screw the Giants
I hope he gets his $12 million. Wins another Cy Young in 2010 and gets $20 million next year.
"meh"
yes
"I think I was the best baseball player I ever saw." - Willie Mays
www.TommyLasordaistheAntichrist.com
by tommylasordaistheantichrist on Jan 21, 2010 7:52 PM PST up reply actions
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