Yorvit getting ready to meet with Giants
What? You actually thought that Buster Posey would be the Giants' starting catcher in 2010?
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4/40 with a player option for a 5th year!
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 14, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions
He’ll never accept such a stingy offer. Not when he’s due to become our new cleanup hitter!
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 14, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Sabean didn’t rule out signing a catcher, though he said that he’s content to wait for “somebody left without a place to go.”
We are now a homeless shelter. This fits.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I’ve been high, I’ve been low
I’ve been yes and I’ve been oh hell no
I’ve been rock and roll and disco
Would you save me, San Francisco?
I'm just here for the Journey singalongs and to ogle howie
by shanghaijim on Jan 14, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
This reminded me...
When I was a kid gowing up in Baltimore, there was a radio commercial that played for several years for an alcohol and drug treatment center. The narrator started off by saying,
“I got high when the orioles won,
I got high when the orioles lost…”
I relate..
You win the internet
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Jan 15, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I'm glad you noticed this
the Giants must lead the league in players who end their careers here with multi-year deals.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2010 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
Good. Posey isn’t ready.
Yorvit is no great shakes, but him + Eli will be ok for a while.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
I have a hard time believing that Posey would fail to outhit Torrealba’s career 80 OPS+.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 14, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
I Think The Fear Is Turning Over Handling The Piching Staff To Such An Inexperienced Catcher
by giantsrainman on Jan 14, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
So what? Bochy can call the freaking games if they’re so gosh darned worried. As long as Posey can drop to his knees for a ball in the dirt and doesn’t try to catch Lincecum barehanded, he’ll perfectly fine receiving our guys. “Pitcher handling” is the lamest of all of the Posey isn’t ready lame craps out there. All he has to do is kneel back there and catch the stupid ball. Really.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 14, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
You Can Not Find A Major League Manager That Will Agree With This Position Of Yours
In some ways baseball is like pro football was back in the days when quarterbacks made the play calls. Their was a mystique then about a quarterbacks play calling ability and their is still a mystique now about a catchers pitch calling ability. MLB (unlike College and High School ball) has never called or even appeared to consider calling pitches from the bench. Pitch outs yes, pick off attempts yes, pitch selection no.
by giantsrainman on Jan 14, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
That sounds like a load of baloney to me. Just Google searching, it seems like pretty common knowledge that Tony LaRussa calls most of the Cardinals games all by himself.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
All this noise about "major league experience"...
…all this coddling, restraining, and you actually think that now he’s just going to dump that much direct influence in Posey’s lap?
Bullshit yourself.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 15, 2010 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
Again Provide A Quote From Any MLB ManagerThat Supports Calling Pitches From The Bench
You can’t because one does not exist. I am taking facts here and you are too blind to see.
by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
Well, for one.
While it has become trendy for new-wave managers to call pitches from the bench, old-schoolers like Cox scoff at the practice.
“I might call five pitches all year long,” he says
Bobby Cox acknowledging that it happens and even that he very rarely does it himself.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
We Are Talking On A Regular Basis Not Once In A While
by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Find A Quote From A So Called "New Wave Manager"
Where he says he has taken away the pitch calling duties from his catchers or even one of his catchers. Yeah, on a handful of specific situations throughout a game it happens but it does not happen with anyone on anything approaching a full time basis.
by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea how common it is
But I suspect that it’s something that, when it does happen, is alm ost never discussed. Not only would a public admission embarrass the player in question, it would increase the possibility of the other team stealing signs.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
OK
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
There also used to be a mystique that it really helped a QB’s leadership and game calling ability to go out the night before a big game and get as shit faced as humanly possible with all his teammates. Moral: sometimes mystique is just a cover for inanity.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
THIS
Let's Play a Lineup Game!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Sabean's Vets: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Renteria, Schierholtz, Posey
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Sabean's Vets' CHONE War projection= 13.5
Is Not The Way a Single MLB Manager Thinks.
by giantsrainman on Jan 14, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not buying it.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I Know The Obvious
If any managers thought differently you could provide quotes but you can’t becuase they don’t.
by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t get the rush to bring up Posey, though. Think Lincecum in 2007 – if we had brought him up in April instead of May, we wouldn’t have him in 2014. Wasn’t it worth the wait? (And if we had waited just another month, we’d have $10M more to spend this off-season).
And it’s not like Posey has nothing to do in AAA. Even if he doesn’t need to work on his catching skills – the guy has 170 career PA’s above A+, and that’s including his stint in the majors. I don’t see what’s wrong with giving him another month in AAA.
I was promised lasagna.
We don’t have Lincecum in 2014, but your point still stands.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
We won't even have Lincecum in 2011
/awaits mob
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
See, this is fine. “Posey isn’t ready” is not fine. You make a good point.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
So you are thinking he IS ready? Because if you are, you are incorrect. I love the optimism, but he just isn’t.
Coming up and flailing and failing will not be helpful for the W/L or for him. Not knowing how to call a game will certainly not benefit our pitchers (our only strength if you recall).
There is no negative to him getting more time in Fresno or as a backup.
There are TONS of negatives to him being the #1 guy.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
His bat absolutely appears to be major league ready. The sample is limited, I will admit that much. I’m not denying that he could benefit with more time in AAA, but I also simply don’t buy the logic that he’s magically going to bat .240/.300/.350 at the major league level when he’s never done anything to suggest that he’s capable of that kind of mediocrity. He doesn’t have to OPS .900 at the major league level to help us win.
Furthermore, the “game calling” really just isn’t as big of a concern as so many people try to make it out to be. I don’t understand why it seems to be such a big deal to people. Does anybody honestly believe that is going to happen? The two absolute worst case scenarios are that 1) the pitchers wave off a few calls that they know are bad, or 2) Bochy takes over the pitch calling. It’s simply a non-issue.
Exactly what evidence suggests that he’ll hit more poorly than Bengie Molina? Eli Whiteside? Yorvit Torrealba? Who is going to hit worse than here?
So, no. Saying he’s not ready doesn’t fly for me as a reason to keep him down.
There are better reasons to keep him down. His arb clock is probably the best one of them. That’s a legitimate reason. “He’s not ready” doesn’t make any sense to me.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Dammit. Close-tag fail.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 15, 2010 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Per Minor League Splits, his cumulative MLE for last year was .248/.312/.391.
.240/.300/.350 in 2010 wouldn’t particularly surprise me.
Honestly, I hadn’t even considered the arbitration clock. That IMO is an even bigger reason.
That said if Bengie or Yorvit have a bad patch at the plate they are better equipped to compartmentalize that and keep if from impacting their defensive play. Better…not perfectly so, but better.
I just don’t want to have this kid come up, struggle, become a quivering bag of nerves and negatively impact the one and only strength we have. Pitching.
He’s too valuable in the long term to rush it.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
The two absolute worst case scenarios are that 1) the pitchers wave off a few calls that they know are bad, or 2) Bochy takes over the pitch calling. It’s simply a non-issue.
He could run to the mound after every single pitch, like Jorge Posada does. That’s a pretty scary scenario, too.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
It's Isn't Just Waiving Off A Few Calls We Are Talking About
It is the pitcher not working well with the catcher we are talking about. Look, the Yankees benched their best catcher for two games in the World Series because they thought the pitcher starting that game worked better with the backup catcher. Right or wrong this is how managers in baseball think.
by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Excellent example. Girardi made a stupid mistake in doing so, and any statistically-savvy baseball follower knew it. Let’s not follow their example by picking Yorvit over Buster.
Let's Play a Lineup Game!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Sabean's Vets: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Renteria, Schierholtz, Posey
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Sabean's Vets' CHONE War projection= 13.5
I think this point is even more relevant given the last few days’ events. Our last big bat is Huff, and our plan is to go into the year with Mad Bum in the rotation.
If we had, instead, signed Johnny Damon and Doug Davis, I’d be more gung-ho about putting the best team possible on the field, future be damned.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
Yay cooky
I would not like to see Posey come up and have a terrible April and May.
That’s partially because I also know that will doom him back to Fresno for the rest of the season, but mostly I think it’s entirely possible he will have a rough month or three. There should be someone else not named Whiteside who can catch. And it’s tragic that player will start 140 games regardless of any other results.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2010 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
Considering last year's numbers this is pretty likely
Posey had an adjustment period each time he graduated to a new level last season. He would start off slow and figure it out eventually.
He would not be allowed that opportunity with the big league club for obvious reasons.
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 15, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
+1
Bingo. I have no problem with the Giants signing Torrealba. If they have a couple million left over after “fixing” the rest of the lineup, then it makes sense to sign him. Because Buster may not be ready. And no one really knows the answer to that. No one could know the answer to that unless Buster starts the season as the catcher.
My problem is I have no faith in our manager to put Posey in at any time this year when he is ready as long as there’s a veteran option. That’s why I cringe at the thought of Torrealba.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I wish
they would have considered a 2-year deal for someone, if that would’ve netted a better player. If Posey comes in and bats .500 from the get-go, that guy could have been moved for someone else since catchers are always valuable.
I also wish for all the children of the world to come together in a spirit of love and unity. And for a different manager. The end.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2010 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
I hate anyone who had a pony growing up.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Why would anybody leave a pony country to come to a non-pony country?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Would you like it to be a Happy Pony?
Let's Play a Lineup Game!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Sabean's Vets: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Renteria, Schierholtz, Posey
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Sabean's Vets' CHONE War projection= 13.5
Just Look At The Last World Series
The Yankees benched their best catcher for two starts because they beleived the pitcher starting these two games worked better with the backup catcher. You can disagree with this all you want but the evidence is conclusive that this is the way MLB managers think. You can’t find a single quote or action by these managers that supports any other point of view.
by giantsrainman on Jan 15, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Better yet, why send Posey to Fresno to play everyday, when he can sit the bench and make the occasional pinch hitting appearance when the score is lopsided.
I wouldn't mind this if we had any other manager
Most managers would see him as a good mentor to Posey, with Posey getting about 65% of the starts…Bork on the otherhand will see that Yorvit is a veteran and therefore should start 161 games. Whiteside will start the other.
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I really want to see Posey start everyday in 2010 but i don’t mind Yorvit on a cheap one year deal
by 49erEmpire on Jan 14, 2010 8:03 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Krukow wasn’t opposed to Posey in SF CF!
GrahamCrakalaka
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 14, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
I have no problem with signing a cheap catcher, but not it’s the reason we couldn’t afford a 5th starter or any hitters better than Audrey Hough.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...-----RIP, MY SON
The name “Aubrey” isn’t feminine enough for you?
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Jan 14, 2010 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
Wasn’t she in The Devil Wears Nada?
I'm just here for the Journey singalongs and to ogle howie
by shanghaijim on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Damon Bruce says overpaid to re-sign Molina for one more year (I turned off the radio right after this). If not Posey, I would rather see Yorvit for one season.
"meh"
wait, what?
That’s my favorite Damonism! And you did the right thing.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
Sabean really has no idea what he wants to do with Posey. His opinion on the matter seems to change every hour.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
I got a gut feeling about this issue
Nope…that was just gas.
On a side note. We may not win it all but we would be the only team with a Yorvit and that is special! Trust me.
I have finally accepted the fact that I will never win a McCoven award.
Meh.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Giants Spend 20M for 10M worth of Production!
“Don’t complain, were a better team than we were at the end of last season,” claims Geriatrophile GM.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Don't worry
you won’t.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 15, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
the rest of the division has done nothing at this point to improve themselves. Since the Giants’ were “in this thing” last year and have marginally improved the offense this offseason, I would be very surprised if they’re not in this thing all year in 2010. However, considering they have spent more money than their NL west competitors this offseason, with a different GM they probably would be the favorite.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
NL West TempestTeapot
Well, that.
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 15, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind hearing that. I’ll suffer that small inconveniance if the Giants are winning.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
This offseason sucks
We basically did everything wrong
Haha
It could have been soooo much worse, dude. I’m happy we escaped relatively unscathed.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
There is still time and starting OF spot not assigned to an over 30 year old yet.
Let alone a #5 starter and a catcher to get. And one of these 3 The Sabean is totally capable of screwing up beyond all recognition.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
I like Yorvit, (certainly better than Molina) but only as Posey’s backup. We all know the problem, and it ain’t Fred Lewis. It’s the manager. He’s going to play Yorvit everyday. Yorvit knows this too, and that’s why he’s coming. It’s unbelievable how they talk about giving the kids a chance while each move they make shoves a kid out of a job. Signing Huff dooms Ishi to the bench. Signing DeRosa is the end of Velez and Lewis in left. Signing Uribe again doomed Frandsen as the utility backup. I’m not saying that all of these signings won’t prove to be upgrades, but it’s just the way Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy operate, and you have to fear that when the prospects that are the real deal get here, they’re not going to ever get a chance. Right now the only young players who are going to get a chance are Pablo and the Bowker/ Nate battle in right, and who’s to say that if they struggle early, Sabean pulls off a deal for a Jermaine Dye type? If you’re a young player, and you don’t get here and immediately contend for a batting title like Pablo has, you’re not getting a chance.
No Edgar, it's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiot that plays you
by rxmeister on Jan 15, 2010 5:42 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Someone did point out elsewhere that Yorvit has never started more than 70 games in a season. He could end up being a decent option to start the first 2 months and then help ease Posey in in June.
That said, while it’s good for transitioning to the Buster era, I’m not so sure it’s good for the Giants playoff hopes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Jan 15, 2010 9:16 AM PST via mobile reply actions
wow
projected to have a wOBA of under .300 this year. Welcome to the starting lineup.
A hearty thank you to Rich Aurilia for all the good memories, and to the Niners for finally getting the uni's (mostly) right.
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