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A surprise? Well, I guess not. I'm a nice guy and I try to assume the best intentions are motivating other people, but this decision would just be...ugh. Why, Bochy? Why?

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I should probably note that I’m not against Sandoval moving to the 3 slot (I agree with that), but Huff as a “legitimate cleanup presence” just sounds depressing. I have my doubts that he can outperform Bengie in this role.

I guess this means I’m not an optimist when it comes to Huff making a comeback. And I tried so hard to avoid pessimism this offseason.

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by Ott on Jan 13, 2010 12:06 PM PST reply actions  

If DeRosa is healthy I would rather him hit #1 or #2. Put that OBP at the top.

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by daveinexile on Jan 13, 2010 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Huff will be better than bengie, I’m sure.

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by GiantPain on Jan 13, 2010 12:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Jonathan Sanchez would be better than Bengie.

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by Natto on Jan 13, 2010 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it gets lost in the fact that Bengie was a horrific choice for cleanup last year but compare their lines. Bengie hit .265/.285/.442 for an OPS+ of 86. Aubrey Huff hit .241/.310/.384 for an OPS+ of 81.

Yes, Huff has a much better career line, and as long as he regresses back toward that he’ll be better than Bengie in 2010. But he also might be done – several of his comps tanked right around his age.

I'm as tall as Mel - why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 13, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

OMGRBIS!!!

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by ringleader3 on Jan 13, 2010 12:21 PM PST reply actions  

Well, outside of Sandoval, it’s not like our other options are clearly better or anything…so I’ll just choose to be mad that it’s 2010 and we still haven’t found anything resembling a decent hitter for 1B, and we’re still using bums like Aubrey Huff in the middle of our lineup. Thank you, Brian Sabean. Also, Aubrey Huff sucks.

by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

For now, I’m fine with it. I’d prefer Sandoval hit third actually and while I don’t think Huff will bounce all the way back, he’s really as good an initial bet for the cleanup role as anyone else. Now, maybe after he doesn’t do so great for half a season while Buster sets the world on fire, then we could bat Posey third and Sandoval fourth, but for now I think this is actually an ok way to go.

So the presumed lineup looks something like:
Sanchez
DeRosa
Sandoval
Huff
Rowand
Schierholtz
Renteria
Posey

… I can live with that to start. I mean, other than Renteria being in the lineup at all, it’s not really epically stupid.

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by Smoke on the Water on Jan 13, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

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but I’m guessing that Rowand will be in the leadoff spot with Sanchez #2 and DeRosa #5.

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by j14 on Jan 13, 2010 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

No need to guess, that’s what Bochy said he invisioned as of today.

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by AngelWillSaveUs on Jan 13, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

every day

sure as the fog blows in from the west

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by natteringnabob on Jan 13, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

FTA

Presumed lineup:

–The top five hitters, as Bochy sees it today: Aaron Rowand, Freddy Sanchez, Pablo Sandoval, Aubrey Huff, Mark DeRosa. Bochy said he prefers to have his best all-around hitter batting third, and because Huff is viewed as a legitimate cleanup presence, the skipper is happy he can bump up Sandoval to third and guarantee him an at-bat in the first inning.

by GameSix on Jan 13, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That's actualy a decent lineup.

Best 5 hitters in the top 5 spots, that’s all you can ask for.

Ignoring Lewis, of course.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

and bowker

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by sam23 on Jan 13, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

and Posey

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by jctGamer on Jan 13, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

Because both those guys have better major league hitting track record than Huff.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

because both those guys have a better major league hitting track record than Renteria…..

Thing A

by sam23 on Jan 13, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Call me when Either plays SS.

I notice that Renteria wasn’t in his mock lineup, though. The silver lining of the Huff singing is that increases the chances of Uribe becoming the starting SS.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

MB’s more direct answer below is the point I was trying to make

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by sam23 on Jan 13, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone on the team has a better track record than 2009 Huff!

by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

In 2009 Huff had a spectacular track record.

The 2010 track record, not so hot.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2010 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Substitute Toreealba or Barrajas for Posey.

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by oldrips on Jan 13, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

–Bochy said right field is an open competition. Nate Schierholtz and John Bowker were mentioned. Lewis was not.

Since Velez wasn’t mentioned I’d assume he isn’t considered part of the competition as some around here thought. Thank goodness.

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by AngelWillSaveUs on Jan 13, 2010 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Exhibit #154682

On why one shouldn’t trust a word that Bochy and Sabean tell the media. They always change their minds.

Someone might retort that they didn’t know two months ago that they would have Huff to bat cleanup – then don’t make the proclamation four months before the season starts!

Hope everybody is ready for Velez in RF.

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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 13, 2010 2:49 PM PST reply actions  

Is it a matter of changing their mind, or were they just full of crap when they originally spoke?

by Fresburg on Jan 13, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair to Sabean, if I was a GM, I would constantly feed the media BS, too. There’s really not much reason to tell them the truth. I’d give all canned answers, no insights whatsoever….

To a degree, I do know Sabean does this on purpose. Unfortunately, if you read carefully enough, you can still see all the little things that show he just doesn’t get it.

by Missing Barry on Jan 13, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree, although by playing the game this way he comes off as lacking integrity.

by Fresburg on Jan 14, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

WHO WAS DFA'D?

They needed to make a spot on the 40 man roster to add Huff. Anyone know?

Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???

by oldrips on Jan 13, 2010 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Hasn’t happened yet. Candidates are Hinshaw, Valdez, Sosa, Whiteside, Torres, Downs, Steve Johnson.

by Fresburg on Jan 13, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

who is Steve JOhnson?

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by jctGamer on Jan 13, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

our rule 5 prize, right?

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by sam23 on Jan 13, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

yep. His AA stats are pretty impressive. I wonder if he is seriously being considered. He may be why they haven’t been seriously connected to someone like Kiko Calero.

by Fresburg on Jan 14, 2010 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

DFA'd

When DeRosa was signed, Bocock was DFA’d.
 
Who was DFA’d when Uribe was signed?

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by dave mustaine on Jan 13, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think they needed to DFA anyone for Uribe.

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by Natto on Jan 13, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Pablo needs to get DOWN to 250?

Man, I am a thick, heavy legged 6-1 guy and I am not close to 250. Pablo is FAT.

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by Cody_ransom on Jan 13, 2010 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

LOL FRED

Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Cody_ransom on Jan 13, 2010 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Im not against this. I actually support it. Sandoval will get more at-bats batting third, and Huff is not a good cleanup hitter, but he is the best on this team.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2010 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Couldn’t we, for the sake of our collective sanity, just refer to it as the #4 hitter? No reason to use the term “clean-up hitter” is there? Maybe it won’t seem so bad that way.

by Merope on Jan 13, 2010 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe they should be referred to as

No. 2 hitters.

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by natteringnabob on Jan 14, 2010 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

What really cracks me up

Is all the people I’m hearing call KNBR today bitching about Sandoval not batting cleanup, not because Huff is terrible, but because batting your best hitter 3rd instead of 4th is some sort of atrocity.

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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2010 6:08 PM PST reply actions  

BUT TEH CLEANUP HITTER GETZ ALL DA RIBBIES

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by Natto on Jan 13, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why Panda has to bat 3rd. We don’t want him eating all those ribbies and gaining weight!

by Merope on Jan 13, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Atkins diet FTW!

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by Bhaakon on Jan 13, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

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