Aubrey Huff and Subtraction by Addition
Fangraphs shares my sentiments on Aubrey Huff.
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LOL FRED
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 12, 2010 7:43 AM PST reply actions
Exactly
Does anyone still think Fred’s even making the team out of camp?
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I hope he doesn’t. At this point I’d rather see a team that can actually use him give him a shot than have him waste his career away with us…
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
LOL FRANDSEN
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
at this point does Bowker even make it out of camp?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Fred Lewis and John Bowker ostensibly are part of the outfield mix. But the Giants may try to trade Lewis, and Bowker still has a Minor League option remaining.
This from Haft’s story on the signing. I particularly like “ostensibly.”
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I guess the upside to feeling this lower about the front office for this long is come the reguler season it would take something like a 10-25 start to make me enjoy this team less.
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
Actually my favorite part of this story is this:
Schierholtz impressed management by hitting .324 in 19 games for Gigantes de Carolina in the Puerto Rican Winter League, but still must show that the .164 average he posted in his final 29 games last season was an aberration.
I’m reminded of Homer’s thought process when voting for Sideshow Bob for Mayor: “Hmmm… I’m against his Kill Bart policy, but I am in favor of his Kill Selma policy.”
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I really don’t understand the Fred-love. He has had more than a fair run. Much more than given to some other players and has not performed. Yes he has had the occasional flash, but those flashes don’t appear to be increasing in frequency.
Your bench player is our #5 hitter!!!
Cheap and team controled. Could be used as a part of swap for something useful if the elague was not aware he had been already black balled. Did better then Winn last yera but never got 1/5 the leash to snap out his slump. I would not call that love,I would call it recognizing injustice and not being happy about it.
So if Panda starts “slow” this season and is posting a 850 OPS does he get sat for DeRosa or Uribe for the bulk of the season?
/ Chants, " Olivio, Jacobs, Podsednik" Then smacks head with a 1 X 6. This will continue tell the pain decreases and moral improves.
it’s similar to Frandsen “love”. It’s not that the player is any great shakes, but the Giants continually manage to block him with even worse players. (though this does not apply to F.Sanchez).
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
He had his chance!
And performed well. Better than the people they ran out there instead of him.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2010 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
It’s quite easy. First, in the PT he has gotten, he’s performed more than adequately. Second, taking his salary into account, he gives us lots of surplus value. Third, he has definitely not been given a “fair run” – and your argument in favor of that is based on a baseline of what we do with our other prospects….who get an even less “fair” chance than Fred….well, we’re mismanaging all of them.
The bottom line is this – Fred Lewis is a 2+ WAR player if given a full year of playing time – making him a roughly average starter, while making the minimum. Given that we really, really desperately need contributors in ourl ineup, it seems that an average starter making the minimum could really help. Instead we play clearly inferior players like Velez over him. We sign bums like Huff for $3M to knock Lewis out of the lineup, when we could play Lewis (a better player than Huff) for the league minimum….I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. It’s a losing strategy.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
Fred's defense was so bad last year
that there is no way I would ever trust him in the field again, and his bat did not come close to making up for it. He was a regular for the first few months of the season and played his way out of the lineup. Sorry Fred, but you had your chance with the Giants and blew it…
by crazedcrustacean on Jan 12, 2010 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Fred's defense wasn't actually "so bad"
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
Clearly, Fred is the problem.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Jan 12, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Fred’s defense is actually better than most LF’ers. This is like the 4th time I’ve gone into this today…so I’ll just give you the brief version. The average LF’er sucks at defense. Teams stash their second worst defensive players there (worst is 1B, of course). That’s why guys like Manny, Dunn, Raul Ibanez, Carlos Lee play LF. Compared to them, Lewis helps with his glove. So Lewis is actually an above average fielder.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Sigh…
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Do we really have to go through this again ?
Fred Lewis 2009: .258/ .348 / .390 wOBA .327, BABIP .348 UZR/150 9.5 WAR .90
Fred Lewis 2010 (CHONE) : .261 / .344 / .403 wOBA .333 BABIP .333 WAR1.3
Fred Lewis is not the problem. Fred Lewis does not play bad defense.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
At 50, I’m not a serious STATZ nerd. I even have a “cheat sheet” with the formulas written down.
I have found with Xanthan’s help however , that the modern metrics can be valuable tools when matched with your eyeballs. “This guy looks like he could be a good player to me. Let’s look at his performance over time, at various levels.” Empirical Research FTW.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
Extremely poorly-edited article
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I suppose that’s one of the downfalls of looking for analysts to write, rather than writers to analyze. It’s still a good thing, overall.
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
You shouldn’t have that hyphen there.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2010 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
So you’re supposed to hyphenate the phrase “a well-written article” but not the phrase “a poorly written article”? What a weird language.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and... relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants?
well-written = two adjectives
poorly written = an adverb and an adjective
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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If well isn’t an adverb, then I don’t know what is.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’m not sure why you hyphenate adverbs that don’t end in ly when they appear as compounds before the noun. I suppose there is an example out there where clarity might be an issue, and then the rule got applied universally. I can’t think of what that example is, though.
I don't know about that, to the groin.
by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2010 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
It's a noun, obviously.
The article was written in a well. Like being written in a mother’s basement, but even further out of touch with mainstream society.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
It’s an idiot-savant, really. Incredibly wonderful and beautiful and expressive in some ways, utterly incomprehensible and bizarre in others.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
Oh, you English are so superior, aren’t you? Well, would you like to know what you’d be without us, the good ol’ U.S. of A. to protect you? I’ll tell you. The smallest fucking province in the Russian Empire, that’s what! So don’t call me stupid, lady. Just thank me.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
What do I need that for?
I’m never going to England.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Mychael Urban: Wow. Probably Dye at this point. Good outfielder, could adapt to RF at AT&T, good RBI guy.
by natteringnabob on Jan 12, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
That’s unpossible!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I feel vindicated....
Dave Cameron already showed over at USSM how the idea of diminishing returns on defense is bunk. Travis Ishikawa, a good defender with a weak bat is a better first baseman than Huff, all things considered. The runs saved by Ishikawa outweigh any runs produced by Huff, despite the lack of balance between run production and run prevention for the Giants.
The $3M doesn’t matter in the long term, but when will Sabean pull his head out of his ass and start using some kind of rating metric to help evaluate players.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
The sadder thing is CHONE projects them to be equal hitters. :(
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
As much as I hate the Huff deal, I don’t understand how anyone can write anything so extreme with such confidence. Every year except last year, Huff has been a much better hitter than Ishikawa has shown so far, and there’s a case to be made that Ishi’s career line is actually flukish and over his head.
Ishikawa is almost certainly a better fielder than Huff is, but the degree to which that’s true is absolutely unknown — neither of them has anywhere near enough of a sample to get a fix on their true current UZR, leaving aside the dubious accuracy of UZR for first basemen in the first place.
If Huff doesn’t rebound significantly and Ishikawa doesn’t decline and Huff really is a butcher with the glove and Ishikawa really is a genius with the glove, then Ishikawa could be better. But none of those is a sure thing, and overall they’re a longshot.
Your points are certainly valid, and I’ve had my own questions about the Ishikawa projection, but I think you’re off to say the chances of Ishikawa being better than Huff are a longshot. I did some more looking into the projections, and from what I can tell it seems like Ishi’s put up some decent minor league lines recently, which is probably why the projection is so high. My completely unscientific guess is that his expected production going forward is something like a 98-99 wRC+, which is just splitting the difference between his CHONE projection and his career MLB line. Even with a 98 wRC, Ishikawa is a couple of runs better than Huff’s projections….and going back to your original point – projections are just estimates of a distribution, so of course there’s a reasonable chance Huff ends up better, but the projection is telling us there’s a better chance Ishikawa outproduces him….
by Missing Barry on Jan 12, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Evan...
I guess that I am more upset that Sabean continues to operate from the same place of ignorance each year. I don’t hate the Huff deal. It is just a continuation of the idiocy that is our FO. It further demonstrates the lack of evaluation that goes into most of these marginal signings each year.
Matt Downs . The Kevin Frandsen of 2010 !
Even if you are low on Ishikawa
As the article points out, there are other ways to work the roster that could get equal or better players who are already on the roster into the lineup.
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