Sources told CBS 5 on Sunday that the San Francisco Giants have signed left-handed first baseman Aubrey Huff to a one-year, $3 million contract.
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I was expecting that to say “LOL HUFF”.
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This move makes no sense.
Am I wrong or is Huff’s 2009 line Garko’s worst case scenario?
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I don't think so..
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
…wut.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 10, 2010 10:11 PM PST reply actions
I still think this is pretty pointless but it’s short-term and I guess there’s a decent chance he bounces back.
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Do we have to have all these discussions that we had on the other thread over again?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:11 PM PST reply actions
Yes because I haven't read it yet.
Do over.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/1/10/1244680/giants-sign-aubrey-huff
Start Z’ing
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I am. And your comment just got him fired.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Dregarx is correct
you are not the boss of me.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
WoooOOOOooooOOO!
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
YOURE FIRED
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
We need people to post portions of his Wikipedia page again.
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Not everyone likes 500+ comment discussions….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
+ 1
i can’t even find a disscussion in those types of threads.
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 10, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
That Fanpost was pretty much all discussion though. And a lot of AsFan4Ever, but still.
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Even so, it’s just a lot to come in on if you don’t get there in the first 100-200 comments…
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
And you most of the discussions that would be interesting to partake in are already done or past the points that I’d like to comment on….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
I swear, I didn’t see that when I refreshed my page. I thought I was SCOOOOOOPING all of you.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 10, 2010 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Well, well, well…
I support this with one condition: Juan Uribe now becomes the everyday SS and we send Renteria off to retirement…or Kansas City. Rosterbation alert:
C – Posey
2B – Sanchez
OF – DeRosa
3B – Sandoval
1B – Huff
SS – Uribe
OF – Rowand
OF – Schierholtz
Mmmm…2nd place…
switch Rowand and Posey
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’m still not convinced that Posey will be in the majors this year.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
I really don’t think they have the money to sign anyone else.
I suppose they could go with Whiteside though.
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Not True
If they had enough money to sign LaRoche, and they only partially used some of that to sign Huff, they should have enough left over to get a catcher, theoretically.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
Maybe they didn't have enough for laroche
and that’s why they didn’t sign him?
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe The 1st Choice Was LaRoche With The Huff/Uribe Platoon As The Backup Plan
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
possible
but if that’s the case, why sign Huff now? Why not wait another month and see if LaRoche’s demands come down?
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Because Uribe/Huff Were Both Ready To Decide
The Giants could have concluded that money wasn’t the issue with LaRoche but rather he just didn’t want to play in SF and thus no point in waiting.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Somehow I really doubt that’s the case.
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Why
I did read that he didn’t want to come to SF somewhere. That’s not uncommon apparently, especially amongst left handed hitters who fancy themselves power hitters.
If we sign a catcher,
Buster Posey, see you in 2011. Enjoy beautiful Fresno, California. There’s no way the pay a catcher to come in and then end up on the bench two months of three months in. He’ll split time with Whiteside all year.
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by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
If they seriously go with whiteside over posey
I’m going to do something crazy and dramatic.
Hmmm…last time I said that, the thing happened. Crap.
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
they have the money
they just don’t want to spend it
C – Posey
2B – Sanchez
OF – DeRosa
3B – Sandoval
1B – Huff
SS – Uribe
OF – Rowand
OF – Schierholtz
OBP
.355
.320
.320
.380
.315
.305
.320
.320
Awesome.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
At least all those numbers start with a 3
you could still have Molina
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by Stephen Schmidt on Jan 10, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
I was being somewhat optimistic with Uribe and Huff.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
meh
Huff’s career OBP is .340. Even last year, which was way out of line with his career values it was .310. I’d say .315 is pessimistic if anything.
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He typically has about a 65 point spread on his BA and OBP
I expect him to hit around .250 and I think that is a very reasonable expectation.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
You’re being really pessimistic about that.
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
He had a really bad year BABIP-wise last year. That should bounce back some.
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
maybe he just sucks more now. It happens.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
But I’m talking a big enough dropoff that even if he sucks now, he probably doesn’t suck quite as much as it seems.
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
So we agree he sucks then?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Well, “sucks” is relative. He’s not much better than a replacement player, I’ll say that.
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I would definitely assume that that will bounce back somewhat, though probably not to exactly the same sort of levels he had before.
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yeah
I’m not expecting his 2008 performance, but really something a little below his career averages, pretty much what his CHONE projection is.
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two!
DeRosa should come in slightly above average!
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Are you saying that you think
it may enbiggen our run total?
by SnowLeopard on Jan 10, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions
JOE BUCK: AND THE SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS ARE WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
Giants + huff = World series!
In the sense that if you huff enough glue you may imagine this is true.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
We’re imagining we’re in this one!
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Ok now im interested
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
depends on where you work
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
What...the hell...was that?
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 6:01 AM PST up reply actions
Ill tell you when you’re older.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
By the way, I will refer to him always as Audrey Horne. That is all.
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I don’t get it.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 10, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
Twin Peaks is cool
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Now it makes more sense.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 10, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ew, her dad was a necrophiliac.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t talk about Piper Laurie that way!
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Piper Laurie is a badass in TP
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YEAH she is.
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
I really need to get around to watching the last 6 or so episodes of the show.
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The last episode still creeps me out.
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
David Lynch
Notice how in the movies he made after Twin Peaks the cast members kept popping up?
I use Wild At Heart as a prime example.
Either they really believed in his twisted vision or they were totally on the skids.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 6:05 AM PST up reply actions
Clean through the planet like a giant electrical x-ray.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 6:35 AM PST up reply actions
She eventually discovers that her father, Benjamin Horne, the town’s business magnate, gave his love to the deceased Laura Palmer, both physically and emotion
ally
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
She was alive when they were doing it, dude!
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Pics or it didnt happen
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not while she was dead, silly.
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Appropriate reaction to the Huff signing?
by Into the Void on Jan 10, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Leland is a top 10 television character ever
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someone needs to make a .gif of that with Sabean’s face in the photo instead of Laura’s
by Into the Void on Jan 10, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
ha ha ha
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
All my dates go through an hour - long seminar on proper turntable use.
That would never have occurred had Leland done the same.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
Well
I’ve always liked Huff ever since he had a breakout year for my fantasy team (like six years ago).
Plus I’d rather pay him 3M then 12 to LaRoach
Let's bring the...
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
lol
that’s not really what I meant. I agree with both comments. I had him in fantasy baseball and he was “ok”
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
meh+ugh=huff.
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Isn’t it meugh?
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NEW NICKNAME!
Meugh!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
This offseason is taking the all-time "meh" award from me
every signing has been a whole ton of it. Not super angry, not happy, just like “wtf?”
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DH
I’m glad the Giants play in the AL, or otherwise, they’d have no place to play Huff. He’s a great pick up for the vacant DH spot in the batting order.
I’m still looking forward to their new Rover/Leadoff Hitter. Maybe Adam LaRoche can fit that bill.
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He doesn’t have great range, but the guy had a .995 fielding percentage last season in 93 games at first.
He’s not J.T. Snow, but I think he’s stopped being a defensive liability.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 10, 2010 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
He’s significantly below average. He’s not historically awful like Dunn or something, but both UZR and the fan scouting reports think he’s bad defensively.
Not Significantly - Just Below Average
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
By significantly I just meant like in the statistical sense. He’s enough below average that there’s no question that it’s not just a small sample size and bad luck, he really is bad. But I didn’t mean he’s MUCH worse than average, which I thought should have been clear from the context, where I said he’s not in Adam Dunn territory.
Yeah, no.
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Ishikawa would easily put up 2009 Huff numbers
but would give you outstanding defense. And he’d do it for what 450K?
If Huff doesn’t “bounce back” this is a horrible move.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
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by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
Okay maybe not horrible because of the length/money
but incredibly stupid.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
it’s horrible because Bochy will refuse to bench him when he fails to hit
by superk1ng on Jan 10, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
meh
he’s projected to have a wOBA around .340. I think you’re weighing last year too heavily.
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Ishikawa is projected for a similar wOBA.
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true
but ishikawa’s projection is solidly above his career average, while Huff’s is solidly below. (and keep in mind that Bochy pretty much flat out refused to play Ishikawa vs. lefties)
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It’s too bad the Giants didn’t have a decent platoon partner for Ishikawa in place when the offseason started :(
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LOL
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by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
ugh
don’t remind me
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SSS
Garko (Giants) 40 Games, 115 AB .235-2-12
Huff (Tigers) 40 Games, 106 AB . .189-2-13.
UGH UGH
Let's bring the...
Doesn't count.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah buthttp://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/1/10/1244911/sources-told-cbs-5-on-sunday-that?login=1263195801
“Huffy” is easier for Boch to say in post game interviews that “Garko-ey”. Case closed.
by SnowLeopard on Jan 10, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see Huff’s numbers last year?
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That year was inconsistent with other years and had an insanely low BABIP. Was there anything about Ishikawa’s approach to the plate that gave you any confidence?
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Even ignoring that, in the three years before 2008, Huff put up 0.3, 1.2 and 0.8 WAR per year. That’s not very good.
I mean, $3 million is fair market price for that but we could get Ishikawa to put up similar numbers for $450k
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Any acquisition that gets me pining for the good ol days
of Travis Ishikawa is a bad one.
Not an Ishikawa fan. But it’s true he could easily out hit Huff’s 2009 line for 450K with stellar D.
And Garko would almost certainly outperform Huff.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
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by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Now that Bengie is gone, Ishikawa and Nate have become the standard bearers for the "swing at everything approach we apparently so loathe.
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Travis had a BB% of 8.4% last year – only slightly below average!
Comparison (CHONE projections for both)
Huff: .263/.327/.438, .334 wOBA, 0 runs fielding, 0.6 WAR
Ishikawa: .261/.329/.433, .333 wOBA, +4.0 runs fielding, 0.9 WAR
Pretty similar
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half fingers crossed
that he just didn’t like Detroit. Not that he was much better in Baltimore
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/Ishikawa swings at slider in the dirt
/Nate swings at it from on-deck circle.
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ok
so you comment on his negative outlier, but ignore his positive one (2008)? Hardly seems fair…
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I’m not ignoring the positive one, but when it’s one positive year out of the last five, that’s not a very good ratio.
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I mean, one super positive year, the 1.2 WAR season is okay.
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true
I’m pretty sure this won’t be a Renteria-esque signing, and really I don’t understand why they couldn’t just wait a while and see if LaRoche’s price would come down or if Delgado is healthy. All other things being equal though, I’d rather see Huff bat than Ishi.
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Yeah, I don’t think it’ll be a disaster, but it just seems pointless to me in comparison to what the Giants already had. I’ll hope he has another decent year in him, though, of course.
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yeah really
honestly why didn’t they just keep (or re-sign) Garko?
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Because that would’ve been a sensible move and Sabean doesn’t know what a sensible move is.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 10, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
negative outlier for old players are usually the start of a trend
Usually when they fall, they fall hard
Is there any actual evidence for this “fall hard” statement?
And 33 isn’t old anymore.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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It’s fairly old for a old player skills 1B/DH type. I think he’ll probably bounce back, but we’re not going to get another 2008 out of him.
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what?
I thought the first skill to decline generally was range, in which case a 1B/DH type would age better than other positions.
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Bill James used to talk about guys with “old player skills” (ie ‘big bopper’ types who aren’t very athletic) as being more likely to decline quickly than more athletic players. I’m fairly sure that 1B don’t age better than more athletic positions.
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Well, most players like that are 1B
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
interesting
It just seems like a lot of the older players still playing are still playing because their hitting skills don’t decline nearly as fast as fielding skills
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exhibit A
Ray Durham.
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so is huff
and Huff is an even worse defender
If a $3 million and one year contract means Sabean is done kickin’ tires, I am happy.
It is a low risk, relatively high upside signing that means Pablo stays at third, Uribe could possibly be our SS, and there is no commitment beyond 2010.
I disagree about the high upside.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
Well, he might play like last year, but with any kind of rebound, he has a shot of being the second or third best hitter on the team.
And that's a good thing?
3/4 of qualified MLBers would the second or third best hitters on this team.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
There are at least two on the roster this offseason
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Puts him out of a starting job.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Or does it??
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Ya, it does.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Whenever the move is officially announced.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 10, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
HUFF = WILDCAT
More flexibility.
Sabean is trying to go moneyball and stock up on the undervalued commodity.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Our defense is going to be very mediocre with Huff at first, an older Renteria at short and Mark Derosa at left.
DeRosa
has pretty good numbers in LF IIRC
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Is there really a difference, as far as skill set is concerned?
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There really shouldn’t be…if there IS a difference, my guess is it’d likely be from the park and not the players actual ability….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Actually It's RF With +21.6 UZR/150 In 1193.1 Innings - His LF UZR/150 Is -1.1 In The SSS Of 412 Innings
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Just add them all together to get the best estimate. Throw a little bit of regression in (just a touch) for the sake of regression, throw a little bit in for age, and poof – you have your forecast.
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I Would Use His Overall OF UZR/150 Of +15.8 Minus Some Regression To Project Him In LF For The Giants
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, you project him to be something like +10 in LF???
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That would make him arguably one of the best LF in the entire National League.
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That Is Entirely Logical
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
2006 Rangers OF 549 29.2
2007 Cubs OF 146.2 -12.4
2008 Cubs OF 451.2 11.5
2009 Indians/Cardinals OF 216 31.2
There are the numbers. Innings in OF, OF UZR/150.
Right in line with the prediction.
those are really small sample sizes though.
I guess the idea of Mark DeRosa Gold Glove Left Fielder just seems odd to me. I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough.
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BETTER THAN GIMPY OL BARRY OR KFRED IN LF AMIRITE
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Left fielders are bad. Lewis wasn’t a good fielder, he was just a good fielder for a left fielder. It seems to me that if you take a generic average baseball player (and no one fits the bill quite like Derosa), it shouldn’t be a surprise if he puts up +10 in LF. Raul Ibanez, Manny Ramirez, and Adam Dunn really bring down the curve for everyone.
Did someone say raul ibanez and fielding???
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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
At least none of them tried to catch a ball with their penis!
by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2010 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
I’d say +8-10 is probably a fair forecast. I mean….his numbers so far have been really good, we can’t just just ignore that. Fans scouting report doesn’t seem to give us anything useful to compare it to – it doesn’t seem to break out positions so I think it treats DeRosa as an IF….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
I suppose it could happen, it just seems like a really high number to project for someone defensively.
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And I’m just eyeballing things so I could be off by a bit – obviously that’s one of the many reasons we regress things, so I’m not sure what the exact amount it should be regressed is, but given his totals are as high as they are, and a sample size that isn’t huge but still big enough to tell us a decent amount….I mean….that’s what the data’s telling us, he’s really good. Also, I can’t emphasize enough how bad corner OF’s as a whole are defensively….
by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2010 6:46 AM PST up reply actions
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR ALL OFFSEASON, PEOPLE!
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Someone posted this interview in the other post. Hes got a great attitude towards preparing for games. Maybe thats why hes so good.
Producer: "Do you guys do any studying or is there any of that going on? Or is the catcher the only one that’s really gotta study anything?
Huff: "The guys that are studying — it’s bullshit. See ball, hit ball. You know what I mean? You’ve done it your whole life. You see the ball, you hit it. All this studying? Honestly, you’re gonna look at a piece of, a TV? And say this guy, this guy is going to throw me this way? No, he might throw you a different way! Who cares? Just see it and hit it!
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Does he swing at sliders that hit his foot?
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
DOWN WITH HOMEWORK!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
I took a nap
and i hate a nightmare that the Giants gave Huff a 5/$20 deal in wich a 6th year would vest if Huff hit 30 hrs every year. the 6th year would be for $26 million, one year.
I woke up in a cold sweat
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 10:44 PM PST reply actions
I can’t really work up much of a lather for Aubrey Huff, either way.
I’d much rather talk about the stupidest name ever: Jermichael.
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I vote Jermichael because
it starts with “Germ”
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think I’ve seen a JerMarcus before. I can’t remember if that was it, exactly, but it was definitely a Jer-something that was worse than Jermichael….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I like damarcus and lamarcus personally
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
I like the way it sounds
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Juwan
FTW
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
One of the announcer’s today called him the most athletic tight end in football. I think VD might have something to say about that.
Santiago is only 44, get it done Sabean
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 10, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
exactly what i thought. Did Buck and Aikman do that game?
Santiago is only 44, get it done Sabean
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 10, 2010 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
wait? Santiago is only 44. Give him some juice, I want to see some throws from his knees.
Let's bring the...
ohhh how i miss those
Santiago is only 44, get it done Sabean
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 10, 2010 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
yep
Vernon just tied the single season touchdown record for tight ends. If you don’t know who he is, then you probably shouldn’t be announcing a football game.
Fwiw, Finley ran a 4.84 at the combine.
Oh nice. I was just about to look that up.
Santiago is only 44, get it done Sabean
by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 10, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
You have to excuse those two. They weren’t really paying attention to the game. They were both imagining next week when they get to do Dallas at Minnesota.
"meh"
I think I may hate Dallas as much as I hate the Dodgers. I live in CO so i got 3 Niners games all year. I got all 16 Dallas games.
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by BringBackBenitoSantiago on Jan 10, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Fucking idiots
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by bondslegend on Jan 10, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jermajesty.
/thread.
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Jermichael?
Come on, the Jets have a guy named D’Brickashaw Ferguson!
I really like this signing...
The downside is not big. 1-year, $3 million is reasonable. It’s not going to lock up the Giants or block anyone overwhelming now, or obviously past this season. In fact, it’s low enough that the Giants could replace him if he sucks midseason without much of a loss.
The upside is good. Forget the 2008 season…it’s as much statistical variance as the 2009 season was the other way. But if he hits .280 with 20 home runs, his career average, he’ll be an improvement and a good player.
It’s no blockbuster signing, but I think it’s a smart one with more upside risk than downside. In this free agent market, that’s been a hard move to come by.
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 10, 2010 10:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My thoughts exactly, just with proper grammar.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:55 PM PST up reply actions
pretty much this
These moves this season allows the Giants to acquire somebody midseason at any position. Also it allows the Giants to acquire one more bat if it comes cheaply at any position.
Like Jermaine Dye.
Ok Now I’m scared.
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Except we would be in almost the exact same position if we had just used the options we already have internally. Or went searching for some AAA-lifer who may or may not be good enough for the pros but hasn’t ever really gotten a chance. There’s just no reason to make this signing.
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
None Of These Options Your Suggest Have A 4 WAR Upside
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think you’d be hard pressed to say Huff really does, too. He’s 33, and that 4 WAR came almost completely from a 15% HR/FB rate – something he has no chance of even coming close to as a LHH in AT&T. Check out his 2007 line – his peripherals are pretty much the exact same as 2008 – K%, BB%, BABIP….the difference is almost entirely the HR"s…..
There’s a reason CHONE projects him for .6 WAR in almost a full season (103 wRC+) – the data strongly points away from this “4 WAR upside”. It’s extremely unlikely – so unlikely, I think you really can make a case a couple of those other guys I named (let’s throw Bowker in there, too) have a similar chance at 4 WAR….that is, not 0, but certainly close.
by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2010 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
2 Out Of 8 Past History Even Regressed Projects A 200% Chance In My Book
No way does Ishi have a 20% chance to produce 4 WAR. More like less then 10% chance.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Well I think you aren’t doing enough to account for age and you aren’t properly weighting performance based on how recently it was achieved.
by Missing Barry on Jan 11, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Huh?
What does journalism have to do with asking questions? They should’ve taught you how to opine loudly, make small talk, and cry every so often.
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by shanghaijim on Jan 10, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously?
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by walkoff baltimore chop on Jan 10, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Bocock?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
The masses of uneducated fans who just want to see the Giants see someone. Baseball is a business, have to bring people to the park.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
From a baseball standpoint, there is just no reason this team should have signed Aubrey Huff. He’s maybe the 2039480328 best option available….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
THis.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
Underwhelming if anything
Would prefer just playing Ishikawa over him, so we essentially added yet another gritty veteran with positional flexibility for 3 mill for 1 year, which isn’t bad. It upgrades our bench at the very least. But I’m not sure how Huff is any better than Bowker or Nate or Ishikawa. Oh wait, he’s not. Meh.
Why we didn’t go after Glaus, I’ll never know.
Or even Guzman or Garko. Huff’s level of production should be so easy to find somewhere else…it just doesn’t make sense. Sure, he might be worth 1 yr/$3M, and same with Uribe…but those little deals thrown at the veterans, along with the crappy deals thrown at veterans like Renteria, really add up, and eventually we can’t afford Matt Holliday because of it. Not to mention the fact that we’re getting at most a tiny upgrade from what we should be able to produce internally….
by Missing Barry on Jan 10, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
He's the fat man.
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Vladimir Guerrero?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Guerrero or [Gary] Sheffield, we would have been without [Long list of replacement level vets]—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
by Cody_ransom on Jan 10, 2010 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
