Giants sign Aubrey Huff?
by giants92388 on Jan 10, 2010 6:42 PM PST
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Under player news it says we signed Huff to a 1 year deal for 3 mil. Interesting deal if true. Probably means DeRosa will play in LF to start the year, which means Velez off the bench. Not bad for 1 year and 3 million...
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It’s even weirder (if true) when you consider that they didn’t tender Garko a contract so that they could sign .. Aubrey Huff?
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And can’t field.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
But Huff didn’t have a stretch of 100 at-bats where he was terrible. Oh, wait, he had 500.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and... relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants?
Not Any Worse Then Garko On Defense.
Both are career -4 ish UZR/150 at 1B. i can see the logic the Giants are following here. They can platoon Huff with Uribe by flip flopping Sandoval between 3B and 1B. I am not a fan of this but I can understand it.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Flip-flopping a player between two players doesn’t seem like a very productive set-up, especially not when they could have just kept Garko.
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The Prefered A Lefthanded Bat To Platoon With Uribe
Garko was a righthanded bat to platoon with Ishi and this is not the direction they wanted to go. They could of just kept Garko to platoon with Huff but they decided that Uibe’s positional flexibility was more desirable then Garko’s bat. Not sure I agree but I do understand.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Just Seeing The Evidence Unfold
When DeRosa was signed he was asked if the meant Panda would move to 1B and he replied that Pablo would still play a lot of 3B (implying some 1B too). We Uribe was re-signed he was again asked the same question and again gave the same answer. Both Huff and Uribe are signed to $3M / 1Yr contracts implying more then a bench role but less then a full time role for both. To me it is hard not to see Platoon written all over this.
by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2010 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
I can understand it in the sense that it’s in English, but it’s an unfathomably stupid idea.
by Evan on Jan 10, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
.241 w/ 15 homer, 85 ribbies.
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I can hear Sabean's mind working.
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Well
At least Sandoval will play 3B like he’s supposed to. I seem to remember Aubrey Huff as a Adam Dunn type. Power, but terrible defense and average
DeRosa moving to LF means no Velez, and Uribe as super sub. Not that bad, but i didn’t see Huff…huffing and puffing our way
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Huff's D Is Way Better Then Dunn's
To put him in this class is just flat out silly.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Why don’t you show him using evidence instead of just telling him he’s a retard?
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http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=319&position=OF
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1213&position=3B/DH
compare at your leisure.
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…ouch
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
It doesnt say anything about this on MLBTradeRumors, Twitter, MLB.com, or any news articles when you Google it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 6:54 PM PST reply actions
funny, because ESPN said they got it from CBS 5. Fake?
by aaroncallagher on Jan 10, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
“SOURCE: GIANTS SIGN AUBREY HUFF
Quick blog here…got a tip from a source that the Giants have signed left-handed first baseman Aubrey Huff to a one-year, $3 million contract. That will almost surely set the Giants line-up for 2010 with Pablo remaining at third base. Kim Coyle reported yesterday that the Giants were still talking with Adam LaRoche, but my source now says that deal is dead, but can’t say for sure. Huff stumbled last season to .241, 15, 85, but if he can return to his numbers of 2008 (32, 108, .304) this could be a steal. Stay tuned."
"meh"
We passed up Garko and LaRoche for Huff!!!!!!!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:10 PM PST up reply actions
Huff is cheap
And he hits RHP, not LHP.
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Huff is cheaper for a reason. You dont only sign players because they are cheap.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Huff’s cheaper than Laroche. And it gives us FLEXIBILITY in the budget to sign a catcher & maybe another pitcher.
Yay
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I feel like Sabean should have waited. There really are only 2 teams still interested in him and I dont see why he would like the orioles over the Giants. I think eventually we could have gotten him for even less than the original 2/17 offer.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Orioles got rid of their ugly orange jerseys.
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I actually like those. I dont know, I like bright colors and out-of-the ordinary designs. I wouldnt want them wearing them everyday, but every once in a while I like.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
2010 prediction: GrahamCrakalaka becomes majority stockholder of...
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 5:14 AM PST up reply actions
I'm selling LOW
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
And nobodys buying. Keep up the good work.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
But...bright colors! Unusual designs!
If this doesn’t serve all your needs…well, submit the need unserved – and he’ll shoehorn something in!
"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Its a little too time consuming or my tastes.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Hot with imaging, not with lettering.
The PREVIEW button is your savior, young Jedi.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
You’re weird.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
NO U
Son, I’m also fifty – and I was aware of what you just told me when I was your age.
So is this some sort of epiphany you’re having here, or what?
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
We’re all a little weird.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
And then there's David Lynch.
Graham, I was just suggesting that before you post you hit “Preview” and proof it for errors, but it’s OK if you’re not old enough to get obsessive about it.
Not that you’re even close to the daveinexile Zone Of Translational Amazement……
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 12, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. Thats what i thought you meant but I read over my post like 5 times and didn’t see an error so I got confused. Now I see it though
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think you meant to type
BARF
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by natteringnabob on Jan 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Bad, bad move if true. He’s as bad as Ishikawa, and he NEEDS a platoon partner. It’s hard to think of a more pointless acquisition.
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Uribe Would Be His Platoon Partner
He is one year removed from an outstanding season so there is some reason for hope. That said, if this turns out to be true I am not a happy camper.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Gah, please no. Huff probably Renterized last season and even when he wasn’t, aside from some power, with a .340 OBP, wasn’t especially shiny anyway.
This sounds awful. Which probably means it’s true. Gah again.
his OBP was .310.
.340 is his career avg
by aaroncallagher on Jan 10, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
You can never have enough old, deteriorating ex-Tigers on your roster
by crazedcrustacean on Jan 10, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Haha nice
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
Or White Sox
thank god no pods
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
MLBTradeRumors is now saying that people are emailing them and telling them that the Giants signed him.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:05 PM PST reply actions
GameDay Blog says:
Quick blog here…got a tip from a source that the Giants have signed left-handed first baseman Aubrey Huff to a one-year, $3 million contract. That will almost surely set the Giants line-up for 2010 with Pablo remaining at third base. Kim Coyle reported yesterday that the Giants were still talking with Adam LaRoche, but my source now says that deal is dead, but can’t say for sure. Huff stumbled last season to .241, 15, 85, but if he can return to his numbers of 2008 (32, 108, .304) this could be a steal. Stay tuned.
I actually don’t mind a 1-year for a guy with high potential upside.
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Benefits: Keeps Pablo at 1b, DeRosa in left, and Velorres out of the lineup, only a one year commitment, was really good in 08
Downsides: Old, sucked last year, might suck again
All in all, for 1 year/3 million, i can dig it.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
pablo at 3b*
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
yeah
oh well, it happens. Nice to agree once in a while.
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Just turned 33 is old? Particularly talking about a guy who signed a one-year deal?
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by BruteSentiment on Jan 10, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
somebody needs to post that Nooooooo!!! button with Dart Vader
by 49erEmpire on Jan 10, 2010 7:17 PM PST via mobile reply actions
At least he has a great Baseball Reference sponsor
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/huffau01.shtml
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He's decent except for 2009 of course
Last year his numbers were down in all categories, but seriously I would take 15 HRs and 85 RBIs next season at 1B so anything more will be very Uribean of him.
Win the inning.
Actually, no, he's sucked for the last five years except for 2008
WAR by season:
2005: 0.3
2006: 1.2
2007: 0.8
2008: 4.2
2009: -1.1
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Likely Opening Day Lineup?
8 Rowand
6 Renteria
4 Sanchez
5 Sandoval
3 Huff
7 DeRosa
9 Schierholtz
2 Posey
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Most likely starting lineup
Rowand-CF
Sanchez-2B
DeRosa-LF
Sandoval-3B
Huff-1B
Schierholtz-RF
Renteria-SS
Posey-C
That’s just great. Just great.
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This isn’t horrible. I see it as a big improvement from last year at least
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I like Huff over Ishi
Sanchez over Burris
Nate over Winn
Posey over Molina
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
I like this better than ResDog’s.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
No! The point isn’t to like it, the point is to be horrified! This lineup sucks.
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Not when youve been watching the Giants for the last couple years.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with heimy25
I like Huff over Ishi
Sanchez over Burris
Nate over Winn
Posey over Molina
That, and DeRosa instead of Velez, adds up to a significant improvement.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
We said this at the beginning of 2009, and then the offense was even worse than it was in 2008.
Also, Huff was worse than Ishi in 2009, and there’s no guarantee that Posey will be starting. Plus Nate may well be worse than Winn.
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2009
Winn was coming off OPS+ years of 104 and 105. Did anyone see his drop to 75 coming? Similarly, Renteria’s production was far worse than what most of us were expecting. Those two guys probably double-handedly sunk the team’s chances last year.
As far as Schierholtz being worse than Winn’s 2009, I suppose it’s possible, but at least there’s Bowker as a Plan B.
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Looking back at the community projections, I had Renteria and Winn both kind of sucking, but not as badly as they ended up doing.
On the other hand, I thought Bengie would be even worse than he was.
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I can't hear you
LALLALLALLALLALLALALLA!
/palms over ears
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Schierholtz shouldn't start
he sucks. Bowker has more upside.
We both said “Likely” in our titles.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
I don't think he starts though
Baggs said a while back that the Giants aren’t that high on Schierholtz. He wasn’t getting a lot of starts towards the end of last year either.
He had a pretty good winter season in PR and will almost certainly start (unless they sign another OF).
by capn on Jan 10, 2010 7:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Last thing Baggs has about Nate, from 12/9/09:
Nate Schierholtz won praise from Sabean for going to Puerto Rico and working hard to make adjustments with hitting coach Hensley Meulens. "I give Nate a lot of credit," Sabean said. "He’s certainly got a captive audience and he wants to be out there.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
better than
ARRRRGGGG
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This is what everyone was wondering
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
at least it was only 1 year
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Yeah. I would have preffered LaRoche, but this isnt terrible
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Well Wikipedia already says it, so it must be true. The story about his dad under his “early life” section is crazy too.
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
He wasn't even on Grant's free agent mistake list
This signing really came out of left field, where Velez won’t be seeing next season.
Win the inning.
Well, if this is true, I want to adopt Huff. The guy grew up in Marion,OH, an hour from me.
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I've asked a couple times what the process would be
I’m not sure if we’re organizing a draft or not… I believe I was the first to inquire about adopting DeRosa, but who knows what the process will be.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
I think Satyricrash volunteered to run one. Im not sure how they did it last year.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Naw, I just took Sabean – because I figured no one else would have/want him and he makes me laugh.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
No no no, maybe it was Say Hey Nation that volunteered to run it. Someone starting with an “s”
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
SABEAN!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Looks like were all adopting 35 year olds this year
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
No, that just means there will be a bunch of orphaned kids wandering around.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
I just took Runzler.
There wasn’t much argument.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
You got him for this season? We havent even had a draft yet
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Go highlanders
special prerogative, i believe
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, he was only born there. I’ll still take it if I can.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Yeah, this tweet came out and was like, NFW! And then I realized it was “Audrey”…so I thought it was a joke.
MarkPritchard #sfgiants sign 1b Audrey Huff to one year deal.
Am still hoping it’s a joke.
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Why?
This keeps Panda at 3rd (good, IMHO), puts DeRosa in LF (undoubtedly good), and provides us with another potential source of (a wee bit of) power. Huff’s career looks a lot better than his ’09, where he was plagued with a very low BABIP.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
when will sabean realize
once a guy on the north side of 30 has a terrible year, they don’t bounce back…I don’t want to hear anymore “(free agent x over 30) is just one year removed from a super year!!!! Here comes a bounceback year..blah, blah, blah”
It just doesn’t happen….at least not in this significantly less chemically enhanced era…
Uggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Jan 10, 2010 7:30 PM PST reply actions
Ray Durham
Had the worst season of his career at age 35 (.638 ops), then bounced back to .813 to round out a very respectable career.
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by SneakToBetterSeats on Jan 10, 2010 10:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is not a terrible signing. 3 million 1 year, theres a chance he could return to from and actually be worth way more than that, and I dont see him being worth much less than that. There are other FAs I would have preferred, but I think this does slightly improve the team.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:31 PM PST reply actions
Aye
And to the people saying he’s a terrible defender: where does your information come from? His 1B UzR was -3.5 last year; not great, but not hideous either.
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gotcha
where’s that at?
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/
http://www.tangotiger.net/scouting/
Takes a while to get the hang of the system, but it’s a great resource.
- 3.5 for a first baseman
is just short of “this guy should be DHing” level horrible.
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pretty much
won’t hurt, might help.
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maybe .265 w/ 12 homers, 75 RBIs?
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I know you're young, and you seem to be intelligent
So I’m just going to tell you now that you should never ever attempt to post RBIs as a metric to measure a players accomplishments.
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I like rib eyes!
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
He might return to form, but (a) 35 year olds generally don’t, and (b) his form just isn’t that good. His career .282/.340/.472 is subpar for a first baseman, and he sure doesn’t make up for it with the glove.
He turned 33 last month. Those stats are very LaRochian. For the money spent, it’s not a bad deal. Whether he’s the best option out there is another question.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
OK, 33 is better than 35. He’s definitely not the best option, but it sounds like the Giants are really pinching pennies this year.
For 3 Million thats not a better deal. I think, certainly better than 3 million for Russell Branyan
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get the hate
Seriously. Getting rid of Garko was dumb- we all agree about that. But now that he’s off the team, the only thing I don’t like about this is that Huff is a lefty. Everything else seems pretty nice (length/amount of deal, effect on other positions/lineup, power potential). AND HE’S NOT THAT OLD!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
It’s annoying because Huff will not add enough to get us to the post-season. A guy like Johnny Damon MIGHT have done that. The biggest cost in signing Huff is not his salary, it’s the opportunity cost of not having an actual difference-maker on the roster.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
The other players like Johnny Damon and Adam LaRoche present another opportunity cost because the second and third years of their contracts prevent the Giants from using their salary to sign better players in the stronger free agent markets.
That’s why I prefer this signing to the offer rejected by LaRoche, or any similar one that may have otherwise been given to Johnny Damon.
Except that this signing each day that passes makes it increasingly less likely that those players will get a second or third year.
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That’s a valid point.
However, whether or not their value will ever fall that low is still a wait-and-see proposition, and dependent upon the Giants’ participation in their bidding.
LaRoche has shown no indication that he will accept a 2-year deal, let alone a 1-year deal, so I’ll use Damon as my example.
If he does end up getting a 1-year deal, the Giants removing themselves from the bidding by signing Huff is a factor in driving down his price.
So you see how, in the end, a definitive form of your assertion is unproveable.
I could easily see him being worth less than that.
All he has to do is not play better tha Ishikawa, and his actual value to the Giants becomes zero.
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It’s a minor investment, and one where there is a chance he will be 2-3 WAR, which would make for a pretty solid return.
While Ishikawa will not be filling in for him, there are enough flexible vets around (Uribe, DeRosa) to satisfy Bochy’s love of veteran-filled lineups so that if Huff is doing badly, he will get benched, unlike Renteria.
Yeah, it’s not a bad signing. Much like the other off-season acquisitions, I’d expect a marginal improvement. But marginally improving on arguably the worst offenses in baseball isn’t much of an accomplishment.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and... relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants?
Huff slightly improves the team, perhaps
But what he does to the lineup by solidifying other starters at other positions SERIOUSLY improves the team.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Hard to tell
We have plans for the best case scenario, and the worst. In general, we’re scraping by when it comes to cash flow, as we’ve always done, but we’re also growing, as we’ve always done (other than a portion of last year).
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OMG FORGET EVERYTHING
DEREK JETER IS GETTING MARRIED
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No Tiger Woods joke?
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
MY LIFE NO LONGER HAS MEANING
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I really love how people found a way to complain about every single signing that happened.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
If they made a signing that didn’t seem pointless, I don’t think people would complain.
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How could people be against signing someone who came off a .694 OPS last year?
by kingofthacove on Jan 10, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Are there better options? Sure. Is this going to fix the offense? Not on its own. Is Garko comparable player who would have almost assuredly cost less? Absolutely.
But I don’t hate it. $3M isn’t a huge risk, it’s a one-year deal, and Huff has a decent pedigree. Worst case scenario, he continues last year’s Renterization and we’re out $3M. For Sabean, a good signing is when your worst case scenario isn’t the end of the franchise. He’s not somebody I would have targeted, because I don’t think he’ll be anything more than marginally better than Travis, but I’m going “meh, let’s see what happens”.
The worst case scenario isn’t being out three million, it’s punting yet another chance to put a good team on the field.
hope he’s a good locker room presence
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
I could be a good locker room presence too
I’ll do a little stand up, making fun of Bochy’s melon, Rowand’s stance and of course some weed jokes.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
There are still many better options available, and realtively few suitors. I fully expect at least one superior player to be signed to a comparable contract between now and Spring training.
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But thats the point
People always use “punt” as a derogatory. But punting is useful.
There just aren’t many good options for the giants at 1b here. getting a guy for cheap for 1 year might be a smart move, considering alternatives.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
There aren't many good options, but therer are still plenty of better options.
LaRoche. Signing Hudson or Lopez and moving Sanchez to 3rd. Bringing back Garko to set up an actual working 1B platoon.
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I'm still down for LaRoche
I’ve been on record saying I’d like him a dozen times. But Huff is a different choice. Choosing LaRoche means you have your 1B for two years at least. Choosing Huff is hoping for the best for a year, then seeing if better options emerge.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
1)LaRoche is fine for two years, I don’t really see that as a negative in his case 2) There’s no guarrantee that he’d even get a second year, 3) Huff isn’t any better than what we already have (and worse than what the team gave up in Garko).
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Oy
I’m sure there will be a hundred epic Huff v Garko debates, but I’m not interested in starting one here.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Especially when we don’t know what Garko would do in a full season. Lets wait and see what Huff gives us at ONLY ONE YEAR AND ONLY 3 MILLION
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
What? Garko has played in several full seasons. We have as much idea what he’d do as we have with Huff (probably more, since Huff is so maddeningly inconsistent).
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thats why I said lets wait and see. Garko’s contract might end up being in the 2 or 3 million range anyways
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Even if it is, Garko’s right-handedness makes him a better fit, both on the roster and in the home park.
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Except how after adding DeRosa, Sabean said he wanted to add another left handed bat
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Garko might be RH
But he hits lefties far better. Huff, at least, hits righties. That makes him better 2/3 of the time.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Except that Huff didn't hit much better than Ishikawa last season.
And fielded much, much worse.
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Didn’t hit much better = Ishi had 19 more points of OBP. But I admit I’m ignoring BABIP.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
Huff played in the AL.
Everyone knows that’s worth like 100 point of OPS. /sarcasm
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Garko
I haven’t heard much teams interested in signing him so maybe Sabean knew something we don’t? Atkins was snatched up rather quickly once Rockies let him go.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
Actually It Is Likely That Garko Would Of Cost The Same In Arbitration
The Giants have decided that the prefer a Huff/Uribe platoon to a Ishikawa/Garko platoon and i can understand their thinking. That said, the smalll upgrades the Giants have decided to sign as opposed to getting more significant upgrades is disappointing to me and I am not a happy camper.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9920
For subscribers only—-only posted two days ago. Basically says that whoever counts on Huff helping their team in 2010 will likely be disappointed.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
That’s when you find out that the half-truths from the bio are only 90 percent true.
Then they’re better than half-truths. That’s just bad writing.
Osiris, Lord of the Dead, and... relief pitcher for the San Francisco Giants?
Maybe he means they're 45% true?
Multiplication of fractions and whatnot.
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Lets sign LaRoche anyway.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 7:44 PM PST reply actions
The Giants payroll is roughly at 72 million dollars right now, not counting Lincecum, Wilson & Dirty. Say those guys get arbitration salaries of: 15, 5, 2. There’s no more room for LaRoche.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Room for more?
They were willing to go 2/$17 million for LaRoche that equates to $8.5 annually so Huff’s signing saves about $5.5 millon — enough for a catcher and maybe take a chance on a less heralded SP?
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by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
It certainly would be nice if they decided to loosen the purse strings and pick up a good SP.
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Well I went on the high side of the arbitration numbers (Tim mainly) for the gloom & doom effect.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
why are we so cheap?
What happened to the TV deal that they were bragging about
I guess the optimistic thing to say is that maybe they’re saving their pennies for a rainy day. I.e. a long term deal for Timmy or spending on a much better FA class next year.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
I doubt the Giants will hand out any huge long term contracts to free agents anytime soon considering they have been burned by Zito and Rowand, they will have to pony up big time for Timmy plus Matt and Pablo down the road as well, and also the economy is still slow which means less asses in seats which means less money for bow tie.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
My adopted son (pictured right) will apologize for the high beer prices as soon as he is done with his swim in the gold.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Not from me though
I’ll pay for their overpriced food if I can’t get it elsewhere (i.e. cha cha bowl) but not the beer.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, so you’re the guy we always sit next to.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Wouldnt be hard, they barely check your bag.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
If he was knocking back a few bombs throughout the game…well, yeah, that’s not good.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Chaser is expensive
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Can someone with a faster internet connection
Do that ballpark simulation trick on him, to see how his HRs would have played at AT&T? Thanks.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Ouch
Looks like a lot of off-the-wall doubles.
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Looks like a lot a splash hits to me.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Man, I came on here hoping to laugh at some dumb rumor/dumg suggestion.
then as I scrolled down and kept seeing source after source saying it as well my smile keep shrinking and shrinking. Still waiting to hear its not true.
please oh please..
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Hmm...
237 games played in RF. Last played there in 2006. I hope that is not the plan…
yeah...whatever...
When is Pujols a FA
because if the Giants could get him (Major Rosterbation) I’d be fine with Huff
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 7:58 PM PST reply actions
Pujols will never be on the “open market”
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One can only dream....
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:06 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason I like fielder
is that he already hates The Dodgers. But how is he 300 pounds and a vegan
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Pujols isnt very realistic, but I’d be more than happy with Carlos Pena next year… or at midseason.
Thing A
+1
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
or right now.
Say..Pena for Huff and Frandsen
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
Pat Burrell
As our LF or Bench Player. Marcus Thames would be a valuable Bench Player if the Giants want an OF with pop. He’d come cheap too
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Dislike
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
…..what
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't mean to post this
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt the Padres
would trade him to a division rival
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
This is a great deal
Huff was a monster hitter in 2008. Lefty pop to pair with Pablo. Dare i say it, a 2010 version of ebony and ivory just like Bonds and Kent.
Given the HR/FB data, 2008 was almost certainly a fluke.
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Gosh that’s a really really poor man’s version of Bonds and Kent.
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Pablo > Kent though
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I was going to say this was probably premature
But hey: going by OPS+, Kent only had two seasons better than Pablo’s 2009.
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He was pretty good in 2008!
Unfortunately, he was lousy from 2005-2007, and he was absolutely awful in 2009.
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I gotta think he’ll say similar things to what he said about DeRosa. Huff is basically a left-handed, crappier version of DeRosa.
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Fixed
I gotta think he’ll say similar things to what he said about DeRosa, “Huff is basically a left-handed, crappier version of DeRosa.”
That would be funny if Sabean actually said that.
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I HATE THE GIANTS AND EVERY MOVE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE TO IMPROVE THE TEAM. IF ONLY THEY SAT ON THEIR HANDS WITH THE SAME EXACT LINEUP WOULD WE BE AN IMPROVED TEAM NEXT YEAR. I REALLY HATE HOW SABEAN COULDN’T SPEND MORE MONEY THAT HE HAD OR OVERPAY FOR GUYS TO PLAY ON OUR TEAM WHO DIDN’T WANT TO BE HERE.
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Yeah, that’s exactly what people are saying.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Just trying to say that its better than doing nothing, and we will never know how hard is for Sabean to bring guys in who might not want to play here. Letting Garko go is one thing, but making signings like this shouldn’t be causing people to go apeshit
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
It’s not better than doing nothing if it’s a stupid thing to do.
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Is it better than just keeping Garko around and platooning him and Ishikawa (which would be doing nothing)?
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I chalk up Garko not being here more on Bork than Sabean. I also am fine trying Huff out over Garko/Ishi
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How do you 'try' him out?
as if u dont know what you will be getting or something
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
it should make us go apeshit
The entire sequence of moves just shows the lack of foresight and overall inefficiency of this front office. I don’t know Nukeoms complete background, but he should know from working in the business world that GMs like Sabean are only going to bring you down.
If, in 10 years, Ishi has eight seasons with an OPS+ over 100, I’ll say you were right. Until then, I’ll say I think you’re wrong.
Seriously, look at Huff’s career and tell me you see Ishi approaching any of that. Last year, at 25 Ishi has an 86 OPS+. At 25 Huff had a 135 OPS+
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But we’re not really signing the Huff of the rest of his career, are we? We’re signing the Huff of 2010. I know you’re saying this in response to an assertion that Ishikawa is Huff aged 10 years, but what Aubrey Huff did at 25 isn’t very useful to the Giants.
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My dad, ever the optimist, claims that the Giants will be this team next year:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/1979.shtml
My retort to him: call me when we sign an Earl Weaver.
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I am pretty pessimistic about the 2010 Giants, but I think we can outhit that team.
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Wikipedia
I love his controversy section
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_Huff
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:13 PM PST reply actions
Early life
His father, Aubrey II, was killed as an innocent bystander in a workplace domestic dispute when Aubrey was 6 years old. Aubrey II was shot attempting to take away a gun from a man who had just shot his wife
These pretzels are making me thirsty
by NuschlerFace on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Thats so crazy
Tough guy
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
not the best video of the fist pump, but you gotta love the attitude
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4501049
1987 opening day leadoff hitter...........Will Clark!
by dave mustaine on Jan 10, 2010 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
excellent, I was just trying to find this
In my view, that fist pump entirely justifies every dollar he’s ever earned.
SUCK IT, JOBA.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
I like this
On November 13, 2007, on an appearance of Bubba the Love Sponge show, Huff described Baltimore as “a horseshit city” when asked about the city’s night life. He later said his remarks were taken out of context and he was only commenting on the city’s night life
"meh"
I would expect a follow up trade of Travis Ishikawa for an outfielder
A few OF’s on my radar:
Matt Joyce
Lasting Milledge
Travis Buck
Nelson Cruz
My best choice: Travis Snider. throw in sanchez if need be
Wow, we are not getting Cruz or Travis Snider for Ishikawa.
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He wants to throw in Jsnatch. Which would be a dumb overpay.
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... yeah no
Travis Snider is a year removed from being like the #3 overall prospect in baseball.
Those guys, um, aren’t.
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He’s certainly a very good prospect, but I don’t think I would trade Jon for him – it would downgrade the rotation too much.
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Hey, let’s trade a mediocre player for a good player!
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ROTORUETER FOR GM!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
What imaging site are you using?
The ability to reverse the voice bubble is insanely valuable to me. Thank you.
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"I don’t know why people feel the need to come up with reasons 'why' for everything..." - Missing Barry
by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
HA HA HA HA
Rec’d
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, about that.
I spent a good two hours today trying primarily(before I lost myself in color addition/subtraction) just to get the bubble to reverse w/o the script itself reversing…and maybe I’m just not holding my tongue right.
Kid…I’ll give you $10/week to produce this crap for me. That’s real State of AZ issued money, good most everywhere.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
what makes you think he’s a kid?
I speak fluent English and Arabic and have a working knowledge of Spanish. Yet a certain GrahamCrakalaka cannot distinguish me from Mike Fox. Man...
Oh, right.
You set the bar there, dintcha!
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Edit image → Decorate → Speech→ Look at the box on the right and find the dropdown thing that has says “background”.→ click it
I may have just put myself out of business.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Im going to pretend I never read this post
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
We are not getting Cruz, Joyce, or Snider
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
I don’t think this makes a lot of sense as I would’ve bet on either Bowker or Ishikawa to produce a better left handed hitting 1B option next season, but I’m actually happier giving a 1/3 contract to a slight downgrade at 1B than I am a 2/17+ for the slight upgrade LaRoche likely wouldve provided.
Thing A
Bowker probably wouldn't play 1B himself
He’d probably play left field with DeRosa and Sandoval moving to 3B and 1B respectively. Bowker would replace the 1B while still playing an outfield corner.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/01/giants-agree-to-sign-aubrey-huff.html
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
hey giants92388
so uh, why the hell were you looking at Huff’s player profile in the first place?
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Apparently giants tried t get huff last yr
then settled for the garko dealSo he was on their radar long before. Nice to know the front office has persistence and guts to target players
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/finlest01.shtml
2006 SFG: .246 / .320 / .394, 83 OPS+, -3.6 UZR, 0.7 WAR
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When he was in his 40s, yeah. Before that, I don’t know, because Fangraphs doesn’t have any data.
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Before that, there are only black and white pictures
This is funny cause he’s so old, see.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Actually, his UZRs:
2003 -2.9
2004 -9.7
2005 -12.2 (!)
2006 -3.6
He was much better with us in 2006 than he had any right to be.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
It wasn’t so much of an issue when he was hitting 20-30 dongs a year. It become a big one when he stopped.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
It wasn’t so much of an issue when he was hitting 20-30 dongs a year. It become a big one when he stopped.
Oh c’mon, you set that up for a TWSS…
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
For what it's worth
Looking at his month to month splits last year, he seemed to have some sort of uptick near the end (all the way up to a .700 ops!)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=huffau01&year=2009&t=b
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More like 500 about Huff, 500 about Rush, 500 about Llamas, 500 about Fred Lewis and 1,000 about food
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, really. I wonder who will get the boot off the 40 man
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
They’ve already got a mascot job lined up for him in Richmond.
Bowkermania had second thoughts about running wild over Venezuela.
by rightcenterfielder on Jan 10, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
SCIENTIFIC PROOF!!!!
Google search for “Aubrey Huff rules” – 2 results
Google search for “Aubrey Huff sucks” – 574 results
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Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I searched
I am gulible but
26,000 for Aubrey Huff Rules
9,600 for Aubrey Huff sucks
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions
Not if you use quote marks – that’s how you search for an exact phrase. Without quote marks, it only has to match those three words, not the phrase.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
I stand corrected hahaha but even if i was right
this guy still sucks dick
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
“Aubrey Huff fart"
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Leland is right you guys! SHIT
Leland 0 minutes ago
Come on Giants…You serious? This is NOT the power hitter we needed, rather like DeRosa another piece to the puzzle. WE NEED MORE HITTING!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Now for the important questions
How hot is his wife?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions
great question. and ahahahahha this comes up in a GIS
NSFW
http://images.camdenchat.com/images/admin/commproj_aubrey08.jpg
I’ll take it!
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Will she be coming to the ballpark topless?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder how many positions SHE plays.
/rimshot
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Due to unexplainable situations
My knowledge is that the chick is an internet soft core porn star.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Is that Skip Bayless on the twins?
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
It'll be hilarious if her name was Aubrey too
Heidi’s got competition…
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
what it boils down to
Is this move, in and of itself, the end of the world? No. But it’s the exact same fucking move Brian Sabean has been making for YEARS and it keeps not working. Unfortunately, the man is too fucking stubborn to ever learn from a mistake.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
This is Michael Tucker minus the defense plus better timing.
/auto-defenestrates
something something jhiat00 will swindle
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Jan 10, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
.....and if it DOES pay off?
I think this move will work for SF. It’s easy to rip on Sabean time after time on this forum, but he has made a few good moves: Benjie Molina, Jeremy Affeldt, Omar Vizquel, and Pablo Sandoval (who was an amateur free agent). We can bring out the torches and pitchforks AFTER the season.
22g
LOL WIKI
On January 10, 2010, Huff agreed to a 1 year/$3 million contract with the San Francisco Giants thus ending Eugenio Velez’s reign on the left field position where it will now be occupied by Giants’ biggest offseason acquisition – Mark DeRosa.
FREE BUSTER POSEY
Wow, they haven't taken it down yet
I edited that when somebody posted his Wiki link earlier, I made sure to include the tongue-in-cheek comment regarding DeRosa.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
I won’t be convinced until I see it posted for a 10th time.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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$3 mill is nothing, stop complaining
He was the best available lefty 1b. The giants tried their best on laroche and nick johnson it didnt work out, oh well. 1 yr short term deal most importantly buys more progression time for villalona in the minors and mlb ready by mid 2011 or so. Perfect timing
OH NO!!!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I dont know if this is what he meant but..
Hudson 2B (also leadoff)
Sanchez 3B
Panda 1B
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
He is not.
He is, however, Asfan4ever723 who has been banned before.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
LOL he was the guy who thought the Giants should trade Geno Espineli to the A’s to draw the ASIAN CROWD
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I think all the comments got deleted, unfortunately.
But in July, he went nuts posting a million articles about the Holliday trade and the Garko (?) trade I think and got banned for it, I think. He was insistent that the Giants should trade Espinelli and a bunch of trash for Holliday, as I recall.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It was worth it for all of the images and “SHUT UP ASS-FAN” insults.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
HA HA HA
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I like Graham’s warning.
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Graham as in me?
which warning would that be?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not everything is about you, you know!
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This is news to me
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Wowwwww
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Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
He was the best available lefty 1b
Combined WAR, 2005-2009:
Huff: 5.4
LaRoche: 8
And Laroche isn’t even very good either.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
They pulled laroche's offer, it wasn't happening
He irrelevant to any corresponding giants moves
That's not what you said, but okay!
Ishikawa: .261 / .329 / .387, 10.4 UZR, 0.8 WAR
Huff: .241 / .310 / .384, -2.3 UZR, -1.1 WAR
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
Adopted Giant: the probably soon to be ditched but still awesome Fred Lewis
He was the best lefty 1b available (to the giants)
That is not difficult to understand. They attempted on johnson and laroche and it didnt work out. To get Huff at 3 mill vs laroche price is a steal. Especially since he didnt want to come here.
Because he reportedly rejected one offer, he didn’t want to come here and was impossible to sign? Apparently, you have Brian Sabean’s acumen for negotiations.
Good luck on acquiring Geno Espineli, btw.
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So It Is Ok To Just Ignore The 4+ WAR He Produced In 2008 Because That Doesn't Support Your View?
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
I’m only comparing 2009 because that’s the only apple to apples comparison available. You’ll notice that, when I compared Huff to LaRoche, I used five years, including Huff’s fluke year in 2008. So It Is Ok To Just Ignore That Because That Doesn’t Support Your View?
So, the guys who’re arguing most strongly for this signing are GRM and the Geno Espineli = ASIAN FANS UP THE BUTTLOAD!!!!!! guy. Yeah, I’m pretty sure this is a dumb move.
"Why not trade Bumgarner for some banger stud?" - sfgiants.com commenter or online porn ad? You be the judge!
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Where Did I Ever Say I Support This Signing?
In fact I have specifically said I am not a fan of this signing . Don’t confuse the fact that I can understand what Sabean is thinking and that there is some logic to his thinking with support for the signing..
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
that there is some logic to his thinking with support
No actually there isn’t. If you’ve followed Sabeans LONG career, and how he approaches free agency and trade, you’ll see that there is very little logic or foresight behind it. It’s all reactionary and inefficient. This front office is not ahead of the curve, or even on the curve, we just have to accept that.
If he’s been put under budget constraints, I think Uribe/Derosa/Huff gives him a decent blend of flexibilty, low risk and high potential upside.
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You have an odd definition of "logic"
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Dude, why don't you post more over here?
Stop wasting your time over at AN ;-)
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
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Villalona? Start researching
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Branyan and Delgado are probably both better
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Giants agree to terms on one-year deal with Huff
Provided by PA Sports
By JANIE McCAULEY
AP Baseball Writer
SAN FRANCISCO — A person with knowledge of the negotiations
says the San Francisco Giants and first baseman Aubrey Huff have
agreed to a one-year contract pending a physical.
The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the team
hasn’t made a formal announcement, which might not come until
later in the week.
Acquiring a reliable left-handed bat was one of Giants general
manager Brian Sabean’s top priorities before spring training
starts next month.
Huff, 33, was traded from Baltimore to Detroit in August. He
batted .241 with 15 homers and 85 RBIs in 150 games between the
two teams.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
I hope that bastard is hurt
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by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
Acquiring a reliable left-handed bat was one of Giants general
manager Brian Sabean’s top priorities before spring training
starts next month.
"meh"
IKR? Huff – not exactly Mr. Consistency.
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
He is consistently left handed, mind
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
Before last year, he was consistenrtly over 100 OPS+. That would have been helpful from 2005 to present.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
He hovered right around 100 OPS+ for a few years (with one year under), which isn’t particularly good for a poor defensive first baseman
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He’s younger than Winn and Molina!!
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Jan 10, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
age of team doesn't matter
Getting good players is the most important thing. Yankees are a pretty old team but a lot of their old guys are good. We acquire old shitty guys.
Who do you want next, Dye or Nady?
Now this is an improved offense, cant deny that
Rowand
Sanchez
Pablo
Dye or Nady
Huff
Derosa
Posey
Uribe
Gotta be done with offense now.
Lets sign Kiko Calero and get ready for the 2010 season
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Please be Hinshaw
don’t cut the best SS on the roster (Frandsen)
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
the fact that they offererd LaRoche 17 mil for 2 years makes me think that they have more money to offer.
So welcome you 2010 starting cather Yorvit Torrealba.
We don’t know when the Giants made that offer. It could have been before the DeRosa signing.
The Giants Way™"If anybody deserves credit for this year’s turnaround it’s these two people, Brian and Bruce," Neukom said. "The encouraging thing is we think we’re back to playing baseball the way it ought to be played."
Nickname brainstorm?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:42 PM PST reply actions
Audrey Horne
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I don’t ever want to see him tongue-tie a cherry stem into a knot.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Theres a nickname in here somewhere
Controversy
On November 13, 2007, on an appearance of Bubba the Love Sponge show, Huff described Baltimore as “a horseshit city” when asked about the city’s night life. He later said his remarks were taken out of context and he was only commenting on the city’s night life.6
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Audrey Suck
I used to like the Patriots and Dodgers, then my balls dropped
by Newcomb29(EDGE) on Jan 10, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus
from wikipedia
Early life
His father, Aubrey II, was killed as an innocent bystander in a workplace domestic dispute when Aubrey was 6 years old. Aubrey II was shot attempting to take away a gun from a man who had just shot his wife.1
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:43 PM PST reply actions
Needs to be posted a few more times.
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im okay with this lineup
C POSEY
2B SANCHEZ
LF DEROSA
3B SANDOVAL
1B HUFF
SS URIBE
RF SCHERHOLTZ
CF ROWAND
First of all, that’s a pretty bad lineup.
Second of all, repeat after me: THE GIANTS LIKE RENTERIA. RENTERIA IS STARTING.
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and posey will not ever be leadoff. Ever. even if he MIGHT be the best option.
the reasons for this…
The giants could never let a rookie hit above 6th,
And bochy doesnt think that way, “catcher at leadoff!?”
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
If we had a line up like...
CF Rowand
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
1B Huff
LF DeRosa
RF Bowker
C Posey
SS Renteria
…That would still be horrible. Oh, well I tried
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I'm not upset that we missed out on Branyan
I think he will be a trap signing. I have a question though, who projects for a better 2010: Huff or Garko?
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Fact check
The only source for this story is Dennis O’Donnell, correct?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Nah. everyone is reporting it now.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
It’s Duanel Jones all over again
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Duanel O’ Donnel?
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
Dennis O’Richmond?
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Dennis the Menace?
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Remember Crazy Legs (the guy in the wheel chair that always had a passifier(sp?) in his mouth)? I saw him do stand up and he was hilarious. Although, he was wearing a LAD hat, so that kinda sucked.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
he's not reliable
he’s a sports anchor and he’s broken stories in the past, with “sources”, that turned out to be false. He was the guy that said the Giants made an offer to Manny Ramirez. DO NOT BELIEVE UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER SOURCE.
and now confirmed by the Chron:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/10/SPFN1BGDM9.DTL
The Reds sign Aroldis Chapman
Sabean says: “We can’t let the Reds top us. I know let’s sign Aubrey Huff!!!”
"meh"
Hey GUIZ!
Think about it this way. Aubrey Huff is only 1 (1!) yr away from a REALLY GOOD YEAR, in which he posted a .387 wOBA and provided 4 WAR. That makes it a great (GREAT!) signing from Sabean, because we all know Sabean really likes to assemble teams with players that had their career years just 1 (1!) year ago.
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i think you missed my sarcasm.
If you posted around this site before or even lurked, you’d know about this onrunning joke.
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
NOOOOO
Sabean will only let someone play for his team if they have passed these 2 requirements:
1)Gritty vet over 30
2)HAD A CAREER YEAR
Since Villalona won’t have had a career year by next year, he can’t qualify for the 25-man roster.
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
seriously is this a joke
Bellineli, Gallinari, and Radman are my heroes!!!
Monta PPG> Monta IQ
Lakers Fans= Terrible
Go C's
Giants need to sign Barry Bonds outta retirement.
What I dislike about this signing
is that Huff likely would’ve been available in February. Also he is not 1 Million dollars & Scott Barnes better than Ryan Garko.
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Taking Garko To Arbitration Woulde Not Of Saved $1M
He would of gotten te same $3M. In addition, Scott Barnes was sunk cost for both not just Huff.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think we discussed this previously and $3M was pretty much the absolute HIGHEST he could have expected to get
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Not According The Comps I Provided In That Previous Discussion.
Now we will never know for sure but I am comfortable in my view and the comps I provided then to support it.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
The comps from the last discussion showed that similar players got somewhere from 1.25 to 3 million, didn’t it? How does that not show that $3M is the upper level of what he could expect to get?
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Because GRM says it doesn't...?
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None Of Those Below $2.5M Had Anything Aproaching The Playing Time Garko Has Had.
Thus they are not valid comps.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
3 Mil is still too much
Again, who were the other suitors for Huff? I still think he would’ve been more available & affordable in February. Plus Garko is younger than Huff, so they were stupid to cut him to begin with…I don’t know at least Sabes hasn’t signed Dye/Blalock/Jacobs
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Some people are smart and say 'when signing a player, you are signing him for him next year, not his last'
Sabean has taken the opposite approach of this a step further and has signed a played for his year 2 years ago.
Thinking outside the box!!
Its funny because fuck the dodgers
Despite Past failures (see Garko, Ryan)
This is not an abominable move. It doesn’t hamper the team for years to come, and if used right, Huff can be extremely valuable. I can see huff excelling vs RHP at 1B(thats where his career* marks show him as competent), while against LHP Pablo shifts over to 1B while Uribe mans 3B. That would be ideal, but we know Bochy won’t use him that way.
*Instead of Career, I just used 2007-2009
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I want to know what bradleybear has to say about this.
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JUST SAY KNOW
At least that’s what my middle school head of school told me
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Does everyone realize they giants made 2 huge bargain signings
Uribe and Huff signed for less combined than the money hungry laroche was demanding. 1 yr, low risk, high upside additions. If there are better alternatives, i dont see it. Now moving onto Dye completes a very cost effective, solid overall improvement for this 2010 offense
They made bargain signings because they’re bargain, bench-type players.
And NO to Dye.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Huff has never been a bench player
He’s played 150 or more games in in 7 of the last 8 seasons.
Uribe has been a starting player since 2002
The only really bad thing is going after Dye
This deal alone isn’t too bad
Hey Fred Lewis, remember Mother's Day?
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
I heard a new term today:
It’s called UZR. Have you ever heard of UZR? Please, walk on over to fangraphs.com and find out just how valuable Jermaine Dye is. Offense isn’t everything, and even at that Jermaine Dye is not very good. Please, get educated. Jermaine Dye doesn’t bring anything. Either you’re a troll, or just consistently neglecting the facts. This blog is for baseball enthusiasts who understand what it takes to be a solid ballplayer. Unfortunately, you are a lot like giants management when it comes to that. Dye doesn’t add anything to this team. As a matter of fact, he DETRACTS from it.
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think he's a troll
I think he’s actually insane. Like, clinically.
Shawn Spencer: "I’m receiving a transmission from your husband. Really more of a voicemail, if I'm being honest. A status update. Perhaps a twitter."
Burton Guster: "I believe it’s called a tweet."
Shawn Spencer: "There’s no way I’m saying that."
that’s a little harsh
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 10, 2010 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
Better additions?
I’d rather have Frandsen or Rohlinger as the utility man instead of Uribe (because of the cost) and I’d rather have Garko to Huff and I’d rather have… pretty much anyone (except for Jacobs) to Dye.
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Fantastic move
Huff’s 162-game average (over his 10-year career):
.282/.340/.472/.812 with 25 HR, 92 RBI
His only “off” year was in 2009 when, while splitting time between Detroit and Baltimore, he batted .241 with 15 HR and 85 RBI.
In 2008, Huff hit .304 with 32 HR and 108 RBI for the Orioles and won the Silver Slugger Award.
This move alone gives the Giants a serious shot at the NL West title.
22g
Really? I would say that 2005 (98 OPS+) and 2007 (103 OPS+) are fairly off-year-y, especially since he’ll be playing first base for us.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
In ‘05, yes Huff’s OPS+ was 0.98. But he did hit 22 HR with 92 RBI. In 2007, he batted .280 with 15 HR and 72 RBI. Every player will have an off year or two. I think the Giants are hoping for a bounce-back year in 2010 for Huff and for $3M, it’s certainly a low risk.
22g
RBI don’t mean much.
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I cant wait until runs are taken out of the game and whichever team has the lower babip and sees more pitches is awarded the win.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Jan 10, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, that is what people on this blog are calling for.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I’m not saying that is what people are calling for.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Jan 10, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
You know what leads to a lot of ribbies? Getting good hitters and having them hit behind guys who can get on base.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I like it when the Giants bat in runners
But that doesn’t mean it’s a good way to evaluate individual performance.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
the game is not about individuals? this is not boxing. It is about working the situation and taking advantage of your opportunities
It's about individuals when you're talking about evaluating individual performance
Like, for instance, trying to determine if a specific player is good or not.
RBIs measure a team effort (getting on base then getting hit in), and thus are useless for determining individual player value.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
But saying “Aubrey Huff had 90-whatever RBIs for the Devil Rays/Orioles/Astros/etc” doesn’t mean a whole lot with regard to the Giants.
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But the lineup he’ll be hitting in with the Giants is not the same as the lineup he hit in on his other teams. That is the point. He’s not a guy who has the talent to hit in 95 runs or whatever, he’s a guy who – in the right situation – can hit well enough to knock in some runs if he has the opportunity. The Giants lineup, as currently constructed, is not a great opportunity to drive in runs.
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Pedro Feliz had 98 RBIs with the Giants once
Should we have tried to get him back?
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Can we trade him from that year for Freddy Sanchez this year?
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by BrianBokake on Jan 10, 2010 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
wow RBi that’s pretty cool
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i know rite!
They’re a great indicator of a player’s prowess and grittiness
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Considering Panda has 25 HR and 95 RBI, Huff’s 25 and 92 career average per season (and a .282 BA) are very tolerable.
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RBIs
They are not a indicator of a player’s performance, merely a representative of how many hits a player has accumulated with runners on base. Therefore, never again use RBIs to justify a player’s prowess
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
So, when a player drives in more runs with men on base (vs. solo shots, let’s say), that doesn’t count for anything? I think how a batter performs with runners on base is very important.
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No
It does not matter.
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I wish they could get on base to have the opportunity to drive runners in.
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
But it’s not necessarily something that is consistent from year to year.
For example, Audrey Horne has hit .276/.363/.466 for his career with RISP – about the same as his overall career line of .282/.340/.472.
In 2009, he hit .306/.391/.500 with RISP
in 2008, he hit .320/.406/.536
in 2007, he hit .273/.343/.493
in 2006, he hit .181/.207/.304
in 2005, he hit .285/.375/.563
see? not really consistent – not bad or anything, but he doesn’t appear to have any sort of ability to consistently hit awesomely with RISP
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If he did hit consistently awesome with risp wouldn’t that be valuable though? I really don’t understand ditching stats like rbi and ba with risp entirely.
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Because there are very few players who actually do hit consistently awesome with RISP? Or better than their career numbers over the long haul.
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I think where I’m at is just that I think if someone at the end of the year has 100 rbis that tells me a lot about the year they had. I’m not saying that they’ll get that many or more or less the next year but there was 100 runs that they at least helped to put on the board.
So I’m not saying we should be making roster moves based on rbi’s but I wouldn’t call them completely meaningless in how a players season should be evaluated after the fact.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
Yeah, but you have a lot more more useful numbers available to you other than RBI, so I dunno why you wouldn’t just look at them.
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Fair enough.
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by BrianBokake on Jan 10, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Because they're not indicative of player performance
If someone hit consistently awesome with RISP, chances are they hit consistently awesome all the time.
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that would make sense.
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I'm just saying........
……Huff is a guy who — just 2 seasons ago — finished 16th in AL MVP voting and won a Silver Slugger award. Those credentials alone are better than Ishikawa, Lewis, Torres, etc.
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Scott Eyre finished 30th in MVP voting in 2005. Let’s bring him out of retirement!
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It was like 3 days ago.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, that's why
I haven’t been paying much attention to baseball the last couple of weeks.
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Hey, leave Scotty out of this!
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by BrianBokake on Jan 10, 2010 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Torii Hunter in the same breath as Aubrey Huff?
According to Baseball-Reference, Huff (in all his statistical glory) is most like these other 32-year olds:
1. Cliff Floyd (949)
2. Jose Guillen (938)
3. Geoff Jenkins (937)
4. Kevin McReynolds (937)
5. Torii Hunter (935)
6. Jermaine Dye (933)
7. Willie Horton (927)
8. George Hendrick (926)
9. Rondell White (926)
10. Vic Wertz (925)
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Torii Hunter plays center field
Aubrey Huff can barely play first base.
Also, of his top comps there – Cliff Floyd was done as a full time player at Huff’s age, Jose Guillen is essentially in the same boat, Geoff Jenkins retired after his age 33 season, Kevin McReynolds was a part-time player by the time he was the same age as Huff.
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Huff defense at 1B
Huff has made 13 errors at 1B in 9 seasons (320 games) — not exactly horrible.
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He is a career -4 run defender per 150 games at first base, which is pretty bad.
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Right, Ryan Garko and Aubrey Huff are fairly similar players – and Garko fits better with Ishikawa as a platoon player – and we already had Ryan Garko under contract before non-tendering him and signing practically the same player only older.
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Butt Huff Fits Better With Uribe As A Platoon Partner.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
ehehe Butt Huff
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Seriously though
I just don’t like the idea of a platoon that has our best hitter switching positions all over the place.
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Ir Didn't Affect Him In 2008 Or 2009
So why should it in 2010?
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
WHERE IS CORNBALL’S SIG WHEN YOU NEED IT?!
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by Giant among Angels on Jan 10, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Does it come as a surprise that
His only off year was his most recent, when he was the OLDEST?
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
Say, what are you getting at anyhow?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT
If the Giant’s FO doesn’t care about decline, then it obviously can’t be important
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
I can one-up you
/Giants re-sign Willie Mays
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
at $13mill/yr
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Not pending a physical
He gets the Freddy Sanchez treatment
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
oh so you logically think huff will play 162 games!!
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by monta.da.boss on Jan 10, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Lets hope this doesnt become tradition.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
At least we didnt sign that stiff jack cust for $2.65 mill
I think Huff’s previous experience in the OF and 3b will be useful
Is the troll gone?
Did jponry bring the hammer down?
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god damnit
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
Aubrey Huff interview, at least he has a personality. Kruk and Kuip will love him
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2007/11/12/aubrey-huff-probably-wont-be-doing-radio-again-anytime-soon/
Bubba: “Now Aubrey, do you jack off a lot on the road, like when you’re not with your wife.”
Huff: “It’s all I do. It’s all I do. You guys have no idea how much downtime there is in baseball. You wake up from a hangover about 1 o’clock.”
Producer shouts: “In the afternoon?”
Huff: “Oh, yeah! Lemme tell you this. When you are hung over, how horny are you? I’m horny, when I’m hungover, I’m horny. So I’m just gonna beat off. And that’s all I do.”
by MagicMike23 on Jan 10, 2010 9:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
huff should just beat it
too soon?
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
This is just disgusting! You, sir, deserve to get banned! Your foul comments are corrupting this nations youth and I will not stand for it!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
uhhh wut?
Adopted father of the prettiest player in the organization, Nestor Rojas.
by stealth snail on Jan 10, 2010 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Hey
I’d dig his eggroll anytime.
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
I can.
It’s great, cuz we all know that Huff the Madic Dragon can join Barry Zito in the Hippy LSD part of the clubhouse.
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
The thing is
Even if the Giants had signed a block of wood to play 1b, thereby keeping Pablo at 3rd and eliminating the possibility of the Velorres monstrosity in LF, that would have some merit all by itself.
Now, all Huff needs to do is focus on out-producing a block of wood.
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by GiantPain on Jan 10, 2010 9:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bochy Can't Sleep
so excited…so many double switches…so much veteran grit…best year ever….just need a catcher…
that's kinda OT
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by perfectstrat on Jan 10, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is a good move by Brian Sabean!
Terrible lineup + lateral moves = success! It’s science!
Obviously, there’s a lot the Giants must figure out. And it wouldn’t be wise to expect all the answers to shake out on Tuesday or Wednesday, when the Huff signing should be officialized. It’ll probably be deep into the Cactus League schedule before the Giants begin to understand how these pieces might fit.
/sigh
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
It’s the throw stuff at the wall and see where it lands style of team building!
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so if...
Huff hits .180 through 150 AB does he get benched or does he get the Renteria treatment and get to suck the whole year?
by Into the Void on Jan 10, 2010 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
officialized is a word now?
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
excellent. I like to try to keep on top of these things.
I suspect that you think tilting at windmills means something other than what it does.
From Baggs
(For some of you, RBIs might as well be something shiny that they peddle on the Home Shopping Network. For others, hey, operators are standing by!)
"meh"
also this
So LaRoche picked the wrong winter to play hardball with the Giants. I’m not sure what to make of his reported rejection of a two-year, $17 million contract except that he had absolutely no desire to play in San Francisco (despite very solid numbers in an admittedly small career sample size at AT&T Park). Whatever the reason, LaRoche is pretty much left with the Orioles now. Best of luck there, guy.
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
Yeah, I would say LaRoche has definitely overplayed his hand. that said, I think he could end up with the Mets.
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He can always go back to the Braves, no?
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
we could have waited for delgado
or offered them all a 1 year 3M deal and take whoever bites.
and by all, i mean NOT-huff
this is the type of situation we could have afforded to be a little bit more patient.
When I’ve asked club officials about Huff in the past. they shook their heads, pointed to his suspect defense and said it wouldn’t play in the NL. Well, last time I checked, the Giants have only six games in AL parks next year. So I’ll assume Huff will bring his first baseman’s mitt to Scottsdale next month.
So what changed? Desperation?
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by satyricrash on Jan 10, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm
Actually, I just checked and the only real difference is that Klesko was 3 years older than what Huff will be this coming season.
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I said the exact same thing when I found out about this
by 49erEmpire on Jan 10, 2010 10:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Except Klesko always had a way better OBP and SLG over his career.
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From MLB Trade Rumors
Huff, 33, hit .241/.310/.384 in 2009. He will presumably pick up some at bats from Travis Ishikawa, who is seven years younger than Huff and plays better defense. Ishikawa hit .261/.329/.387 last year in 113 games at first base, so he was more productive than Huff at the plate, too.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 10, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions
Haven’t you heard? Ishi is our new RF!
“We all know we had two different players with Travis,” Bochy said last week. "It’s going to be a challenge to get him the at-bats to stay sharp. He’ll get some work in the outfield to maybe get more at-bats. We just felt with his struggles on the road, we needed a little more consistency [at first base].
"
I try not to break the rules, but merely to test their elasticity.
Does this mean the Giants win 80 games next year and Sabes and Boch get fired?
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
There's a front page thread now
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2010/1/10/1244911/sources-told-cbs-5-on-sunday-that#comments
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Lunatic fuckin fringe
The reaction from most of everyone is ridiculous. Huff is an upgrade at first versus Ishi. This is not the move any Giant fan was hoping for, but wait until a few weeks into the season before acting like this is the worst signing ever.
Who’s acting like it’s the worst signing ever? Consensus seems to be that it’s a fair deal in terms of years/money, but fairly pointless when you consider what we already had.
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There Is A Point
It is a roll of the dice with a 4 WAR upside and $3M down the toilet downside.
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Seems like a pretty small chance that Huff puts up 4 WAR.
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It is
But he’s reached that level once in the last five years.
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A roll of the dice?
I’ll probably roll snake eyes before Huff puts up another 4 WAR season….
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He Has Done It 2 Of His 8 Seasons And As Resent As 2008
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but that doesn't mean it's a likely occurrence....
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In What World Is "Roll Of The Dice" The Same As "Likely Occurrence"?
by giantsrainman on Jan 10, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
I was just pointing out that none of us should even be thinking about Huff posting another 4 WAR season
I guess I was thinking more in probabilites and you in possibilities.
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It Is Not Likely But That Doesn't Mean That There Is No Chance Of Even No Significant Chance
He has done it twice in 8 seasons including most recently in 2008 so I would regress that 25% down but I don’t see it getting to zero or even to under 15%.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
Once in the past 5
And not even sniffing it in the other 4 seasons.
See, I can use arbitrary timeframes too…
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Still 20% That Still Should Not Regress Below 15%
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Using this "logic"
Should we also say that Renteria has a 37.5% of posting his 4+ WAR season upside? Or that Rowand has a 33% chance of posting 5+ WAR upside (as he’s done in 2 of the past 6 seasons)?
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The Have Both Done It Twice In The Last 8 Years Just Like Huff
But their most recent season of such success was in 2007 not 2008 so they need to regress further from 25% to say 10%.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Not That It Matters To Me But Becuase It Matters To You
ZIPS gives Rowand a 13% chance at such an exxcellent season and Renteria a 10 % chance.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
It actually does not matter to me because I like to deal with the most probably outcome
And quite frankly, I’m not sure why it concerns me so much when you talk out of your rear end and pull numbers out of the air.
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And That Attitude Is Part Of What Is Wong With Projections
The mean or average of the range of possibilities isn’t even what the projection systems mean to comunicate but it is allmost (like you) seem to care about.
by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2010 12:09 AM PST up reply actions
All the projection systems try to do is estimate a player's true-talent level
Which we can take as their prediction of what will most likely occur.
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No They Tray To Estimate A Range With Probabilites
This Range has weighted average and many fans (like you) make the mistake of taking this as if it is gospal with regards to his true talent level.
by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2010 12:35 AM PST up reply actions
LOL wow
Actually, most prediction systems I’ve seen don’t give ranges. ZiPS does and CHONE ranges will probably be out before spring training, but otherwise, who else gives ranges?
Furthermore, since when do I take the projections as gospel? I just stated that they’re ESTIMATES. Maybe if your rage didn’t blind you so often you could read better…
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PECOTA, for one.
The ZIPS, CHONE, and PECOTA are pretty much the three most serious projection systems.
That being said, the ranges are mor important at an individual level, if you’re looking at a team level, the high and low end performers being to cancel each other out.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Even when they estimate a range the middle of the range is more likely than the extremes.
This mistake gets made in political polling all the time. James leads Smith 47-44 with a 4% MOE. Many commentators refer to this as a dead heat; the truth is that while we cannot say with 95% confidence that James is ahead, it is still more likely than not that James is ahead.
I would hope so…if you get started now, you just might get it before pitchers & catchers report
by aaroncallagher on Jan 11, 2010 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
Hmmm ok...
Hand-calculating Huff’s career wOBA puts him at .349. We’ll put him at first, since that’s where he’s most likely going to play.
Assuming .333 for league average, that puts him about 10 runs above average
His career UZR/150 at first is -4 runs below average. Add in the positional adjustment of -12.5 for first, and that nets -6.5 runs below average. Add ~20 runs for replacement, and voila, that’s about a 1.35 WAR player over 700 PA’s. Over 600 PAs, that makes him an approximate 1.15 WAR player.
Worth the money, but still blegh
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Using .331 as league average, Huff's WAR estimation is now ~1.25
Still blegh.
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Since when?
And link please, it would be helpful in the future.
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*For me in the future
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Fangraphs Shows That DeRosa And F.Lewis Had .327 wOBAs Last Year That Resulted In Positive Batting Value
On the other hand Rowand and F.Sanchez had .323 wOBAs last year that resulted in only slightly negative Batting Value.
Sure looks to me like MLB average is somewhere in between.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
Ok Then
I Will Use wRAA instead of Batting Value. Doing this last year the Marlins were the team with the smallest positive wRAA (+12) and they had a team wOBA of .331 while the Tigers were the team with the smallest negative wRAA (-8) and they had a team wOBA of .327. This puts the MLB average wOBA slightly below .329 in my book.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Nevermind
Hand-calculating wOBA the correct way (i.e. with ROE’s, unlike Fangraphs) gets me to .331 for MLB average wOBA.
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That’s what she said.
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I also realized that Statcorner.com has league-average wOBA on each player page
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Stat Corner's wOBA Doesn't Match Fangraphs
Just look up Pablo Sandoval on both sites. Stat Corner shows him with a .411 wOBA while Fangraphs shows his wOBA as .396. Therefore you can not use Stat Corner’s MLB Average wOBA to compare to Fangraphs wOBA for an individual player.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I think StatCorner includes RBOE’s in their wOBA (like Tango does) and FanGraph’s doesn’t.
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i.e. Statcorner calculates wOBA correctly
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Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
THEREFORE YOU CANNOT USE IT!
Doesn’t FG use some sort of SB/CS in their wOBA? Fast guys get lots of RBOE’s so they’ll get penalized somewhat by FG. It’s why Fred Lewis has a .342 wOBA by SC — he had 5 RBOE’s. RBOE’s are essentially weighted the same as singles in wOBA.
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Oh, You Can Use It
But you can’t compare a Fangraphs wOBA for an individual player (either projected or actual) to Stat Corner’s League average wOBA.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
Sure you can. Tango himself said LgwOBA is around .330-.340 depending on the offensive year. It’s not like SC is spitting out some crazy wOBA number. But you should be aware that FG calculates wOBA a little differently than intended.
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All of Fangraphs’ wOBAs are lower then Stat Corners’. To know how an individual player compares to average using Fangraphs’ wOBAs you have to know and compare to Fangraphs’ lower average wOBA not to Stat Corner’s higher average wOBA. To do otherwise is just not valid.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
P.S.
This applies to the Chone and Bill James projected wOBAs on Fangraphs as well as they to are calculated by Fangraphs and thus have a lower base then Stats Corner.
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
No, not all of FG’s wOBAs are lower. But, for certain players you’ll find they’ll be different. For example, in FG’s wOBA they account for SB/CS. So, guys that can steal bases at a good clip should do better by FG.
For example in 2007 Brian Roberts stole 50 bases vs. 7 caught stealings. His FG’s wOBA is .367 for that season. His SC wOBA was .358.
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Even More Reason Not To Compare A Player In One To League Average In The Other
by giantsrainman on Jan 11, 2010 11:36 PM PST up reply actions
Apples And Oranges
Only if the goal of the comparison is to learn the differences in measurement techniques (difference between the apples and the oranges if you will) does comparing one to the other make sense.
Comparing an individual players wOBA in one to league average wOBA in the other produces unreliable results that do not actually determine where that player is relative to league average.
by giantsrainman on Jan 12, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think Fangraphs includes SB/CS, whereas Statcorner doesn't.
Either Graham or Matthew had a post about it on their statcorner blog, but that blog got spammed like crazy, so they wiped it out.
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Whomever Sabean signs this off-season will make a good platoon partner with Ryan Gark-ohh... nevermind...
I don't hate this
You can never have too much depth and guys who can play multiple positions (see 2009-2010 Portland Trail Blazers) and Huff is a good hitter, or at least he was in recent memory with Tampa and Baltimore. So was DeRosa for that matter (with the Cubs and Indians sort of) and they’re both short contracts. Really, if we couldn’t get Bay or Holliday, I don’t mind getting a couple veteran guys with versatility.
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Just HORRIBLE
The Giants either need to tryout the young guys they have or start trading them.. im sick and tired of watchin young prospects get shafted over some 34 yr old has bins.. this is just horrible, can they do anything right! I’m tired of all this crap, i would rather have a minor league team playing in the majors than a 1992 all star team. They aren’t even gearing themselves up for next year or the following… The money is just going to get tighter and tighter as Timmy, Cain, & Panda keep earning those pay raises. And lets not forget about Bummy & J-San…. We need to trade pitching to get legit hitting this never ending cycle of old vets on the team ends!
by truthfulfacts22 on Jan 12, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions
We dont need to trade pitching, we jut need to actually sing a good free agent
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
*sign
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Trading pitching to get hitting is not going to change Sabean’s veteran-signing plans one whit.
Let's Play a Lineup Game!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Sabean's Vets: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Renteria, Schierholtz, Posey
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Sabean's Vets' CHONE War projection= 13.5
I don't understand how either Posey, Schierholtz or Sandoval qualify as "Vets".
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 13, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions
And this relates to what I’m saying how?
If Sabean trades, say, MadBum and Sanchez to get Prince Fielder and some other Brewer hitter, that’s not going to stop him from signing the “never ending cycle of old vets”. He’ll just sign pitchers to fill the gap.
Let's Play a Lineup Game!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Sabean's Vets: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Renteria, Schierholtz, Posey
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Sabean's Vets' CHONE War projection= 13.5
I was just looking at the sig. Yo no se.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 17, 2010 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Oh.
Put it this way. “Sabean’s Vets” is the team that he’s put together so far. If he signs Torrealba I’ll replace Posey but I’d rather not because Yorvit’s projection is so much worse than Posey’s it felt unfair.
Same thing with Dye for Nate.
“The Kids” is what you get if Sabean made no position player signings for the last 3-4 years.
Let's Play a Lineup Game!
The Kids: Lewis, Posey, Sandoval, Bowker, Schierholtz, Frandsen, Ishikawa, Amezaga
Sabean's Vets: Rowand, Sanchez, DeRosa, Sandoval, Huff, Renteria, Schierholtz, Posey
The Kids' CHONE WAR projection= 12.7
Sabean's Vets' CHONE War projection= 13.5
Guess What? Veterans Are The Only Choices When Signing Free Agents!
by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
whoa
Signing Mark DeRosa and Huff were not the only options out there.. you dont need to go blow $12 million on a 34yr old player who was not re-signed by one of the top lineups in the majors. There is a reason why the Cards did not want him back. Do you really think he is going to succeed with the giants.. I guarantee he will not produce the numbers bengie produced. he might barely produce bengie’s shittiest year which was last year 20hrs, 80rbi, .265 with only 68ks in a 132 games. The Giants are wasting their money… what they should be doing is starting sign some of those pitchers into some long term deals. If you are not going to do that, then you are seriously f-k’d in 2 yrs. Matt Cain’s contracted expires in 2011 so you better figure out a way to have him, Timmy, and Zito all in one rotation. do you not see it. the giants WILL not WIN a WORLD SERIES WITH THE LINEUP THEY HAVE! THEY WILL NOT WIN A WORLD SERIES WITH JUST HAVING THAT ROTATION! Everyone thinks we should hold tight with the pitchers we have, but without hitting, you will not go anywhere… I want a WORLD CHAMPION TEAM, i dont want a team that might make it to the playoffs. I want a team that is going to make it to the playoffs and have a chance to win the world series. this team is not going to do anything. We have a lot of pitching and no hitting.. what do you think we should do? it is simple, trade some ptiching for some hitting.. and when i say trade for hitting, im not talking about the AJ Pierzynski trade, i want a bonifade hitter like Prince Fielder or Adrian Gonzalez.. its simple. The only way the Giants can keep those Zito, Timmy , and Cain in the rotation is if 1) they open up their pockets or 2) keep doing what they are doign and signing all free agents who are washed up ( DeRosa, Huff, Renteria, Rowand).. Marlins definitely know what they are doing. Just look at the Josh Beckett trade.
by truthfulfacts22 on Jan 13, 2010 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
The Cards Did Want Him Back To Play 3B
They just didn’t want to commit until they knew how much Holiday was going to cost them and by then it was too late.
by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Plus I Never Said Anyting About The Specific Veterans The Giants Signed
I just pointed out what really should be obvious that veterans were all the Giants had to choose from in free agency.
by giantsrainman on Jan 13, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
giants WILL not WIN a WORLD SERIES
This made me lol, the rest of the post was dumb though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the actually ideas weren’t terrible outside of using Molina Hrs and RBIs to credit him as being a good player.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 13, 2010 6:35 PM PST up reply actions
THEY WILL NOT WIN A WORLD SERIES WITH JUST HAVING THAT ROTATION!
Yeah, you need to let it run around in the park an’ stuff.
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by victor frankenstein on Jan 17, 2010 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
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