Pre-Game Poll and Comment Starter
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
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PrintJuan Uribe deserves to be in the starting lineup. I don't believe in hot streaks -- rather, I don't believe that you can tell the difference between a genuine hot streak and a statistical fluke, you arrogant jerk -- but Uribe's had a pretty consistent year, and he gives the Giants a semi-legit power threat. If you're a BABIP believer, it's worth noting that Uribe has had a sub-.300 BABIP for the past three years. Poor luck, or the result of ejecting vertebrae with every swing? Probably the latter, but Uribe's played his way into the lineup with the '09 Giants. So did you, but you had that dinner thing.
So how to get Uribe in the lineup? Vote in the poll!
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Boo no non-rent scenario!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
I tried to put one in, and it crashed my computer.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
How did you get your hands on Bochys Lineup Generator?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Borkalator 2009!
It’s like Awesomo but with Renteria!
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Awesome name
I am calling my automated McC thread generator the Borkalator 9000!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure that you want to permanently delete the file Posey.exe? Y / N
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
“You have selected ‘Yes’ Posey.exe will now be deleted.”
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
One of my favorite episodes.
/Homer tries to dial 911
Operator: “Your fingers are too fat to dial on this phone. If this is an emergency please mash the buttons.”
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Posey.exe has been deleted.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
File deleted. Thank you for your contribution!
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess this was kind of the obvious response, huh?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
/Attempts to insert Posey as starting catcher
Borkalator 9000 (in HAL voice): “I’m afraid I can’t let you do that.”
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
“Why don’t you take a stress pill and think it over”
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Let’s see, for the past 30 days,
Edgar is: .293 .356 .446
Ishi: .180 .281 .340
Garko: .237 .250 .390
Uribe .288 .363 .688
Now, Grant is correct in that streaks are hard to predict. In Renteria’s case however, it coincides with getting healthy. I think you have to play Edgar.
Just for fun,
Velez: .246 .312 .404
Schierholtz .200 .247 .369
Rowand .270 .323 .461
Randy Winn 267 .312 .337
Let’s see, for the past 30 days,
Edgar is: .293 .356 .446
Ishi: .180 .281 .340
Garko: .237 .250 .390
Uribe .288 .363 .688
Now, Grant is correct in that streaks are hard to predict. In Renteria’s case however, it coincides with getting healthy. I think you have to play Edgar.
Just for fun,
Velez: .246 .312 .404
Schierholtz .200 .247 .369
Rowand .270 .323 .461
Randy Winn 267 .312 .337
1B Garko/Ishikawa
2B Sanchez
SS Uribe
3B Sandoval
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 8:32 AM PDT reply actions
No. Read the choices again. They’re very clear.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
But . . .no Bocock option?
Or Conor Gillaspie? Or Rohlinger? Not enough choices!
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Sep 9, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You raise a good point.
Why is Brian Bocock?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see how this is even a question. This should be the infield lineup every day.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 9, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't even put Ishi in there
The ways he’s played, Garko would be my starting 1B.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
agreed
Ishi = late inning defensive replacement
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
With “late” being sometime later than the sixth inning, plz.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
by kdl on Sep 9, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Garko can’t hit RHP. Neither can Ishikawa, but at least he can field.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
You know, you keep saying this and he keeps having a sOPS+ of over 100 against RHP for his career (I mean, bb-ref doesn’t seem to have sOPS+ for career, but he’s at 99 for this year for a .720 OPS so I’m guessing .757 would be like 102-105. I could do the math but…) He doesn’t hit them as well as he does lefties and he probably isn’t an above-average 1B against them, but it’s not like he’s completely worthless as a hitter against them.
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sOPS+ is positional OPS+ right? I was trying to find this a bit ago but couldn’t on bbref. Where am I looking wrong?
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sOPS+ is split OPS+, the numbers from the split compared to the league average for them.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Ah, so positional OPS+ is what, and where can I find it? OPS of a player compared to the average player at that position?
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sOPS+ is based on various splits. Position, pitcher handedness, etc. It depends on what split you’re looking at. Just check the various split sections on BB-Ref.
So if I’m looking correctly at Ishikawa his OPS+ compared to other 1B is 68 for his career, right?
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LOLSHIKAWA
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Not career, but for 2009. His sOPS+ for his position (meaning that a score of 100 indicates he hits like a league average first baseman) is currently at 68 — meaning that the league average 1B is 32% better, offensively, than Ishikawa this year.
I don’t know if he’s the answer at first base, you guys.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Psssh
You can use stats to prove anything.
(yeah, he sucks)
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Ok, maybe I went to this year’s split then. But at least I know it.
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A .750 OPS from 1B is not good. Maybe “he can’t hit them” is too far, but he’s easily replaceable against RHP.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
I won’t disagree with that, but in the offensive context of the Giants, it’s not terrible.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Good thing we gave up a young pitcher for him, right??
GRRRRRRRRR ANGER
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I still think I favor Ishikawa against RHP over Garko. Offensively, it’s pretty much a wash. Garko is probably better than Ishikawa against RHP by a few runs, but Ishikawa is probably better than Garko in the field by 5 runs or more.
Oh, I do still think a platoon is the best option. But I think saying “GARKO CAN’T HIT RHP!” is an exaggeration.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I’ll kindly thank you to leave me to my hyperbole.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
You can pry Mr. F’s hyper-mole from his cold dead face.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
that’s correct but there’s still not a big difference between he and Ishikawa at the plate with a righthander on the mound.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I tried to vote for Mr. F playing shallow center, and it gave my vote to option #4. Am I a Florida voter?
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions
Really, seriously, the difference is between Renteria and Garkikawa offensively, and
Uribe and Renteria defensively. An easy call, unless you’re Bruce Bochy. And btw, haven’t seen much MCC love to Sabes. Uribe, he pulled out of a scrap heap. Velez is a Rule 5 acquisition. Sabes’ big FA signings, he overpays for mediocrity. But he’s pretty good at finding free talent.
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Proud to say that I defended Uribe early and often. Just ignore the Aurilia support in that link, and we’ll be fine.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
lol me
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/4/26/855461/pet-peeves-the-everyone-else#14876221
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Sergio Romo is a guy many organizations would not have taken a flyer on.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
He would have been up three years ago if he were in the Padres’ organization.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
But for every Juan Uribe, there’s a Joe Castle.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I feel a song coming on...
…“Life brings you joy, and life brings you hassle;
for every Uribe, there comes a Joe Castle.”
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I had one of those Optimism Poster Sayings pop in my brain
Something like: “When life give you lemons…”
“When life give you Joe Castle, kick him in the nuts and sign Juan Uribe!”
You know, something sweet and tender like that.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I want a picture of him running around with two korean players in transformer masks
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
All I saw in that post was “sweet and tender nuts”
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
LIES!
I HAVEN’T SHOWN YOU…err….nevermind
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
not that what you said isn’t true, I was going to correct your post with the spanish version of Joe Castle
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
In all honesty I have two answers.
1) If Pablo is 90-100%, then play him at third and Uribe at SS
2) If Pablo is less than 90% healthy, stick him at 1st and Uribe at 3rd
I R 5
I choose this option
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 9, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I choo-choo-choose it.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
So you’re saying that Uribe could play RF with Sandoval at 1B, Aurilia at 3B, Velez at 2B, and Torres in LF? Of course, Renteria would have to bat second in this lineup, but as far as I’m concerned that’s paid stretch money right there.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
CBS Sports Power Ranking Saiz Hai!!!!
That’s why I need to view or attend as many Giants games as humanly possible. After watching the team over the last week, I’m convinced that skipper Bruce Bochy is either betting against his own team or suffering from some sort of neurological impairment.
I don’t understand the batting orders, which fluctuate wildly from one day to the next and rarely take into account things like on-base percentage. I don’t understand his bullpen management, which combines the ride-your-horses sadism of Joe Torre’s approach with the I-could-care-less surrender of Lou Piniella’s. I really, really, really don’t understand the decision to keep the organization’s most capable backstop, Buster Posey, stapled to the bench at a time when the Giants lack anything resembling a coherent offense.
So for the sake of this column, let’s keep the Giants winning and let’s keep Bochy pushing the buttons. Without him, I’m nothing.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Yeah, but only because nobody noticed him.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
So how is it, with all the vitriol and frustration and venting here on McC, that Bengie’s blog has nothing but slobber for his knob in the comments section? Could McC be more well-behaved than Purple Row gives us credit for? Or do you think he just has the critical comments deleted?
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 8:40 AM PDT reply actions
BENGIE HAS A BLOG?!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
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I think it's a typo...
It should say “blob”.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Then it should be that Bengie IS a blob.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Or...
Bengie parties in the offseason like THIS.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I still like Bengie. I wouldn’t really be all that happy about some young uber-talented whippernspper coming after my job either.
Managers basing their lineups on whats annoying Bengie Molina is the proper target of annoyance.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
This makes me wonder what would have happened if Pablo Sandoval HADN’T been able to adjust to third as well as he has. Would he be stuck on the bench, so as not to hurt Bengie’s feelings?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That sound you just heard is something flying over your head at high speed.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Seems to be going over a lot of heads. Which is surprising because Grant actually typed the word “hahhaha” – and that should be a dead giveaway.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
No, no, no, no. Read the options. THOSE ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS. There isn’t a simple solution. Stop trying to be a typical fast-food American looking for a quick fix. THERE ISN’T A SIMPLE SOLUTION.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I have an idea...
…what if we send Renteria out to find a left-handed smoke shifter, and have Uribe fill in at short just until he gets back?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I sent Aurilia out for one of those a week ago.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Wrong
Given this stipulation:
Renteria starts in every scenario, unless it means Winn sits.
That would mean the only time Renteria doesn’t start is when Winn sits:
LF Lewis
2b Sanchez
C Posey
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
1B Garko/Ishikawa
CF Rownads
RF Juggernate
P Some Crappy Pitcher
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't happen
before Winn doesn’t sit. It’s like dividing by zero.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Right. The only way Renteria doesn’t start is if you have to bench Winn to do it. It’s science.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody for the love of fucking god
please tell me what the fuck is wrong with this lineup. AHHHHHHHH GOOODDD DAMMMITT
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
mmmm
I am having left over ropa vieja for lunch right now
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Technically
EDT
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
It's getting dark @ 8 here now....
the horrible days are nigh.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I too dread the onset of the long dark.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Bring on the winter!!!!!!1
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Said by someone who most likely doesn't live in North Dakota
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I actually grew up in South Dakota but now I live in AZ so the winter is always welcome.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I think I'm gonna need to visit
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
It’s a vicious cycle between my family and I. I give them shit about the temp in the winter and they do the same in the summer.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I envy snow birds
they get the best of both worlds
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
It is my dream to spend the summer on the Missouri river and then golf the winter away in AZ.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
good call
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I am eating an unamerican vegan Amy’s teriyaki rice bowl
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Have fun eating Amy’s bowl.
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Actually that’s probably pretty American.
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vegan is about as unamerican as you can get
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
you will be first against the wall when the vegan revolution comes
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Most of the vegans I’ve seen look pretty weak and sickly. They better hire some meat eating muscle if they intend to revolt.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
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It’s not Asian perhaps, but is definitely un-American
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m thinking I should eat breakfast. Latte and english muffin. I’m just trying to get motivated to go to the kitchen and make it.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I’m just trying to get motivated to go to the kitchen and make it.
Hawt
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Corn fritters? Hominy? Griddle cakes?
Corn flakes?
(out of corn-related breakfast food ideas)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
corn muffins ftw - yummy!
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
Mmmmmm... yes. Excellent catch!
They’re delicious if you chop up some red pepper (pretty finely) and mix into the batter with a few drops of tobasco. Mmmmmm.
(shakes fist) Damn you, GiantsBabe!
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That actually sounds good.
I love hot and spicy—I go through a bottle of Tapatio every other month practically.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
If you like hot and spicy, you need to try big girl hot sauces, not Tapatio.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I also have some
Trader Joe’s Jalapeno hot pepper sauce but I still loves me some Tapatio.
What would you recommend? The hotter the better.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
If you can find it, try Marie Sharp’s habanero hot sauce. It’s made with a carrot base. It’s spicy and got a great flavor balance.
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thank you, I will look for that
I love habanero sauce—the carrot base sounds really good.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
The mild is truly somewhat mild, great for everyday applications with a great flavor. The hotter ones will
work ya, but they’re awesome too.
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I also make music, please check it out
(now officially loving this sub-thread)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Yesterday I had to break down and get Arby’s. Mmmmm Arby’s…
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There are no Arby’s within at least 50 miles of me… and it makes me sad.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I only know of the one at the Camden/Hillsdale split.
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San Jose that is.
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I’m in Marin County, and there are zero here. ZERO!
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
No fast food in Marin.
Eat at In-n-Out if you must.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
In-N-Out is gross.
Arby’s is delicious.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
How does it feel to be incredibly wrong?
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a vegetarian
and I love In-n-Out! (secret menu)
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
See, I resent a place that has to have a “secret menu” where all the good food may be hidden. It’s retarded.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree about the menu. I like the food but think it is over rated.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
thank you
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 9, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Really, if you’re getting too excited about any kind of fast food, something terrible has happened along the way. Time to go to the store and start cooking again.
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this this this
a thousand times this.
the ceiling for fast food is ‘can be eaten without retching’.
Time to eat some real food.
bingo
i love that I havn’t eaten fast food in over a week. That’s the longest it’s been for quite some time.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Last time I ate fast food was in and out, last month. Before that? A year or so. It’s been years since I have eaten at any nation chains
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
I went to Nation’s a few months ago. That’s the most recent for me, I think.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
I read that as
“I went to Natto’s a few months ago.”
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I had to stop hanging out in your bushes after the cops threatened to charge me. :(
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
How much do they charge?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
$12 an hour. $20 an hour and they’ll let you use their high-powered binoculars to look in his window.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
$25 between 4 and 5. That’s Willie’s time!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Sep 9, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Everything on the secret menu is made (more or less) with stuff that’s already on the main menu.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, the stuff on the main menu tastes like shit, so I’ve never bothered to check out the secret menu.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Cheeseburger meal, no onions, pickles, “secret sauce”, added ketchup.
Their fries are delicious, and you can get them extra crispy as well depending on your preference
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"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
The one time I tried their fries, they were the worst fries I’ve ever had.
The super-thin ones that were all floppy is the ones we’re talking about, right?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough. Maybe they had a rookie running the fryer that day or something.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
you gotta go for the extra crispy option
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
yeah but I bet he was really sweet and 1 out of 10 times the fries came out excellently!
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
Even if his salary and counter time is taking up valuable resources that could be diverted to the promising youngsters on the farm. Or so I would guess.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Sep 9, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
They actually taste like potatoes, which might be different than ones that don’t
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
Exactly!
If you’re used to fake-fries In-n-Outs will taste different to you.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
they don’t freeze them or blanch them. There’s a trade-off between fries tasting like potatoes and their crispiness.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
You can order them well done which is what I do anyway.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I like the way they do them. I don’t really care for the McDoanld’s style super crispy fry that tastes like sugar.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
McDonald’s fries ordered extra crispy are actually pretty good. It pretty much turns them into a chip type thing, so that if they get cold they aren’t disgusting.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
I don’t understand thinking it tastes like shit and liking Arby’s but ymmv.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Never been to INNO
but I can’t imagine it’s worse than Arbys…
I like Arbys but they put everything under a heating lamp rather than making it to order. Yuck.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I should also point out that I almost never eat beef from fast food places. I’m more of a chicken fan. So the fact that INN also has no chicken makes me dislike them on principle. And the one hamburger I got one time tasted like evil.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not hidden
just go to innout.com
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
Wow, that was totally underwhelming.
So what’s the point of a secret menu if there’s nothing really that different on it, and you could really easily just put it on the regular menu?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If you know the secret menu, you’re one of the cool kids.
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
BILLY MAYS HERE FOR FAST FOOD JOINTS OTHER THAN IN-N-OUT!
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
U R 5!
He died of heart failure!
(Cocaine related heart failure, but I’m sure a fast-food burger or eight made it into those arteries.)
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
U ME
PARKLING LOT BY THE BIKE RACK AT IN N OUT
6 PM
BE THERE OR B SQUARE
"Put your drawers on, and take your gun off."
LIES
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
As it happens, I must.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I could tell that about you
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
Is the one in Strawberry the only In-n-Out in Marin? I’m trying to think of another one.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
yeah, that's the only one
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
I’m glad it’s in close proximity to me, then. (Though the crazy yuppies wouldn’t let them put in a drive-through back when they first built it… argh.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
yeah, a drive-thru would be convenient occasionally.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
this is making me afraid to say anything around here! lol
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
haha!
And to think I was going to say something about grabbing some pine meat during last night’s game….
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
Yeah, anything about “grabbing,” “meat”, or “pine” for that matter, will get you in trouble.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
hmm
now that I think about it the game of baseball is quite metaphorical. No wonder guys like it so much.
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
We’re all about grabbing our pine meat.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much everything that Kruk says sounds suggestive to me (“he backdoored him” being the most egregious example). And about half of what Kuip and Flem say.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
I hate the way he says “squat” when announcing the defensive positioning. “SQUAAAAAAT!”
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
what about Miller? j/k
Suddenly, I’m really looking forward to tonight’s game!
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
"medders is getting greased up"
or even just “getting his arm greased up”
Trying to score every time we're at bat?
Not exactly the biggest mystery in the world, I admit.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Remember when it was all abput what base you got to? “I got to second base”, “She let me get to third base”… You don’t hear this so much, nowdays.
Is it the ‘promise ring’ culture or all they all just having massive oral orgies? What gives?
rainbow parties are all the rage these days, old man
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Sep 9, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I missed out on all those massive oral orgies. :/
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Surprisingly to me the one at the Wharf served the best double meat animal style I’ve had ever. The one in Dublin (Pleasanton?) was a bit dried out last time I had it.
Long ago somewhere on the 5 I had a double double and had another one.
--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
You, mean the one by the Porsche dealer?
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, in the little strip mall there.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
You can drive to Petaluma, if you live in north Marin
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I live like 10 minutes from the one in Strawberry, so it’s all good for me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You should try the Burrito place in San Rafael I think its called Taqueria San Jose. It is great! (on 4th, I think, by the freeway)
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a ton of great food places in San Rafael, I’ve been meaning to go check more of them out.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
4th Street really is a little bit of a food heaven.
Try Bobby’s if you ever go. It’s on, like, 4th and G. The guy who owns it is really cool, the sandwiches are aces, and I believe he just had a baby. So the patronage is also helping young children!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
inb4 Walrusman joke
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
There's a taqueria in the Canal called Mi Familia
Worth the extra 5 minutes of driving (for me)
San Jose is good too
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Oooh, that place is good.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
YES!
It’s right under the freeway overpass. Awesome burritos.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
If you must?
You mean, early and often, si?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Also one at Blossom Hill near 85 and I think Winchester near the Mystery House.
Not that I pay attention.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
In N Out yes
SUCK IT 5 GUYS (for xanthan…. even though 5 guys looks good)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
DAMN YOU XANTHAN, YOU FOILED ME AGAIN!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
THAT IS WHAT XANTHAN’S DINNER SAID!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
100% of the McCoven are baseball nerds, and thus do not know how to grit out the game.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
IF U PLAYED THE GAME U WOOD KNOW
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Actually, there is a kernel of truth in that
(NOT a reference to Can of Corn or Cornball… necessarily)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
I think he wants to keep that under wraps to avoid getting anyone into trouble.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Dammit. I meant to have one of the poll questions bring up the FACT that players’ worth can be determined by contract value.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
So we should trade Lincecum while his value is low! It all makes sense now!
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Sep 9, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Pie > cake
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
IAWTC
Icecream > other stuff
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Other Stuff> Ice cream = butt pee
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
More like:
the idea of ice cream cake > pie
Because usually the cake part of the ice cream cake is gross. The ice cream part depends on where you get it, and the flavor. And by that point, you’re not even comparing cake and pie any more. Just ice cream and pie. And ice cream can be good on pie. So you can’t even compare them anymore.
Ergo, you can’t compare the two.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Science!
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
the first time we went to France, tracy tried to order pie a la mode. the waitress was so puzzled. it was great.
“stylish pie?”
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
That had the potential of working out really well for you!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Rockies 2-4 highest paid players
2 Jose Contreras $10,000,000
3 Jason Marquis $9,875,000
4 Aaron Cook $9,375,000
they’ve had lineups this year that were completely homegrown :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
(and good)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Do you really want to make him cry?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Dammit, Lars.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
I wonder what a completely homegrown Giants lineup would look like this year.
Posey
Ishikawa
Frandsen
Burriss?
Sandoval
Lewis/Velez/Bowker/Shierholtz
About right?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much. I don’t know if Velez would count since he was a Rule 5 draft pick.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Somehow I don’t totally hate that lineup. It has some glaring holes, but not really any more glaring holes than our actual lineup has.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much. You add a competent shortstop and a RH platoon partner for Ishikawa and it’s about as good as what we have right now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, you could afford to add a big bat to that without breaking the bank.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Now that's what I call a Big Bat!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
twss
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
OMG
my mom would be so freaking out if I showed her this. She has the worst bat phobia I’ve ever seen, and this would probably give her a heart attack DDDDD:
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
nah
seriously. She starts crying if there’s a bat in the room.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I wasn’t talking about the bat.
/wink wink
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
uhhh
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
IM DISTURBED BY WHAT IM READING
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Make a t-shirt.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you guys see this in the Chron this morning?
Sabean says this about Bumgarner’s loss of velocity:
What the folks got was a steady stream of fastballs between 88 and 90 mph – 51 out of his 76 pitches, the rest sliders, cutters and a rare changeup. The Internetsia suggested this was a sign of arm-weariness, as he consistently hit 93-94 in the minors, but Sabean said it was in fact more a matter of San Jose pitching coach Ross Grimsley trying to force a more economical approach on Bumgarner. “He was getting a little fastball-happy,” Sabean said, talking about his reduced velocity, “and we just wanted him to stop trying to strike everyone out.”
Whereas Bumgarner is saying this:
“It’s felt the same coming out of my hand. It’s just not reading on the radar gun,” Bumgarner said. “I might be getting a little tired. I don’t feel it. Maybe that’s what’s happening. It’s hard to say.”
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
(I'm not sure which of those concerns me more)
“I’m doing the same thing but less is coming out of it!”
or
“Oh yeah, we told him not to throw so hard so he’ll get less of those goddamn strikeouts.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
“Look at how good our pitching staff has been this year! And do they get strikeouts? No!”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
This comes from the same part of the brain that declares scant experience Whiteside is acceptable while no experience Posey would be a travesty of sports.
Whiteside has a lot of experience, just not at the ML level.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
no big deal, Sabean is trying to protect his player
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
But what if “protecting him” ruins compromises his pitching ability?
Oh, and someone should tell Bummy that he’s being protected, not that he’s tired.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
There’s an “or” missing somewhere there.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I’m becoming more and more concerned with this organization philosophy that “strikeouts are bad.”
Not striking people out can actually make you throw more pitches, too, you know. 0% of guys you strike out get on base (ideally), while maybe 30% of guys who you have pitched successfully to contact WILL get on base, forcing you to pitch to more players to contact.
I really don’t know how the numbers work out, but minimizing a skill that has a 100% chance of getting an opposing player out doesn’t seem to have a lot of smart behind it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m convinced they are wording this wrong. Instead of “not trying to strike everybody out” they should say “not trying to walk people and challenge the zone”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
But I heard Sabean in an interview yesterday specifically use the phrase “pitch to contact” when talking about what they’re trying to get Bumgarner to do.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Matt Cain has has said things like that, as well – that he is trying to get more ground balls than strike outs because he can be more efficient.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
He has been more efficient this year but I would say that’s more because of how good our outfield D has been this year. His GB numbers are just about the “same as it ever was”.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
No, you’re totally right. I mean, trying to get pitchers to be more economical with their pitch counts is a good thing but doing it by saying “DON’T GET SO MANY STRIKEOUTS!” is not a good thing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I, for once, agree with Sabez.
Lots and lots of pitchers over time have said that they really felt they didn’t really get good until they “stopped trying to strike everyone out.”
So if Sabez wants him to get an early start on trusting defenses, pitching to contact when warranted, not nibbling at the black, that sort of thing… cool with me.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I for one, can’t wait until Lincecum gets better by not striking so many darn people out. Just think how good he’ll be!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a difference between the mentality of not trying to strike everyone out and actually not striking anyone out.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Your reply below indicates you are aware of this distinction.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t always express myself well, but when I do… ummm… shit….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
But it’s not like Bumgarner was having trouble pitching deep into games or being effective while getting a lot of strikeouts. He had a sub-2 ERA last year while doing that and IIRC he was pitching into the 6th and 7th inning in a lot of his games.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
(And, now that he's "limiting his pitch counts and not throwing so many Ks"
he’s only averaging 5.2 IP per start, as opposed to 5.9 last year)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
to me it sounds like sabean is just trying to make excuses for the decreased velocity. I take more stock in bumgarner’s postgame comments
by sliderinthedirt on Sep 9, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the distinction being made is “trying to throw it past somebody” versus “trying to pitch”.
There’s this weird idea that he difference between a “pitcher” and a “thrower” means not having to throw a strikeout, and while there is some truth to that, it’s more accurate to say that a “thrower” doesn’t really have a plan and relies on stuff to try to get outs (usually strikeouts), while a “pitcher” does have a plan and can rely on setting up the hitter to strike him out in LOTS of ways that don’t solely involve stuff.
Strikeouts are good. You can “pitch” to strikeouts. You can.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
And, FWIW, I think Sabean was lying and that MadBum’s arm is just tired.
But, again, plenty of pitchers (Greg Maddux comes to mind, not that he had classic ‘strikeout stuff’) will tell you that the… um… perfectest game is 27 pitches, 27 outs rather than 81 pitches, 27 Ks.
Young (pre-draft) pitchers are usually the far-and-away best athletes on their teams, which can lead to feeling the need to win games by themselves, which in turn can lead to rearing back and ‘throwing’ (vs ‘pitching’) on every pitch. If they’re trying to make him shake that mindset early, cool. Big if, of course.
Jponry makes the excellent point that they don’t seem to be doing a great job of it, though.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither of those games are ever going to happen and it would take a hell of a lot of luck for 27 balls to be put in play in a game and 27 of those to turn into outs.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It would never happen
I think it’s just the principle of it, though.
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, deserved all-star and hacker extraordinaire
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Exactly.
Obviously neither of those games happen. But they represent the maximum theoretical possibilities.
Well, I guess technically the 81 pitch game could happen; it’s totally under the pitcher’s control. But yeah, obviously someone after watching the first 26 swings turn into outs would probably take the first pitch. I can’t possibly conceive of a lineup that would just keep swinging at the first pitch, no matter how much evidence piled up that it was a bad idea. God… can you imagine how agonizing it would be to cheer for such a team?
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants offense thinks that would be a perfect game for them
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You want strikeouts by Giants?
We’ll GIVE you strikeouts by Giants!
(Oh… you meant pitchers? Oh well. No backsies!)
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
On principle, communism works. On principle.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
It's "in theory", not "on priciple"...
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Assuming you’re quoting what I think you’re quoting.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I was, but I also had to make it fit the comment I was responding to.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
For crying out loud, our pitching is not remotely a problem!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Uh of course our pitching isn't a problem
But you know a big part of the reason why they’re so good?
They’re first in the major leagues in strikeouts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
DISCONCERTING......
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
In the "Bumgarner Called Up" thread
I predicted that people would freak when they saw his velocity.
LARS WUZ RIGHT!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 9:41 AM PDT reply actions
Lars toots his own horns on his hat.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I’m just glad I’d read the stuff on here about his velo being down lately. If I went into that with no prior knowledge except the draft reports, I’d wonder why our hard throwing lefty had turned into our Zito-velocity lefty.
Hopefully his arm will get the proper rest in the offseason and he comes back strong next year, with his velocity rediscovered.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
he showed pretty impressive poise and control for a 20 year old; if he regains his velocity, “a left-handed matt cain” sounds about right to me
by sliderinthedirt on Sep 9, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
DO NOT WANT
we need pitcher who know how to win!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping he starts next year in either AA or AAA again and is told to just keep working on the breaking pitches and the change-up. The fact that his breaking pitch flashed some signs of being a good pitch is really encouraging.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I agree with this. There is no reason he has to go back to AA/AAA. The Padres offense is practically that anyway, and he handled it well. Judging by the whole performance, and coupling in his minor league career, it’s not crazy to chalk up the long balls (all solo, btw) to nerves. I’d rather see the kid up w/the big club.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
NO
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
lol
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
If the velocity comes back next year and his breaking stuff takes a step forward, then he can come back. But he should definitely start the year in AAA.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
this
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And if his velocity doesn’t come back then he really needs to make finding good offspeed stuff a priority and I’d rather he not figure that out in the majors.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If his velocity DOESNT come back = DDDDDD:
TINSTAAPP?
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Figuring stuff like that out in the majors is a good way to wreck a young pitcher’s psyche.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I really want to go back and read that, but there’s no way I’m reading 2000 comments.
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(shakes fist) Damn you, MTV! You've ruined two generations of what could have been the greatest minds of all time.
And poor WalrusMan!
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw the best minds of my generation . . .applied by magic marker to drywall.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I should be allowed to shoot my mouth off!
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Hey Mayor, totally O/T, but were you at the game last night? I was in 311, and this woman kept starting the wave, and I was about to lose my mind. Even the usher told them to knock it off. What’s up with that?
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
I was; my seats are in View Box 311, not View Reserve
Nobody in my section started that nonsense. I can’t speak for the “above the walkway” crowd (raises eyebrow at them).
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that would be me (the “above the walkway” crowd). The worst part was that they were doing in the bottom of the 9th. Maybe some of us wanted to, I don’t know, watch the game?
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Come on down and see me next time.
Seriously. We often have some empty seats, and it would be a pleasure to have you with the non-wavers.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
You going on Friday? I’m thinking about flying solo.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
I would love to, but tragically have to go to Phx for work
Gone all weekend, doing focus groups on some damn lawsuit. Otherwise, I would have.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you do with your tickets when you don’t use them?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Stubhub if I can. Sell them to friends.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Aww, thanks! That’s awesome. I would love to have a mini McCoven meetup! I’m at most games, so I’ll stop by and say hi.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Please do. I have no idea who you are, of course.
So if you shout out “Mayor” and I think you look scary, you know…
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha. But, I don’t look scary. Just a little blond chick.
(Preemptive NO GIRLZ ON TEH INTERTUBES!)
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Please-- little blond chicks can be terrifying.
But come on down. I will be at Monday evening’s game for sure.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
They always do it at the worst moments of the game. Never when the Giants are like 4 or 5 runs up, always when they’re trying to rally or they’re about to give up the tying/winning run or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Head = asplode.
I loved the usher, though. He was pointing at his eyes and then at the field and saying, “Watch. The. Game.”
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
There are some really awesome ushers at AT&T. The one down by the Giants dugout is the man.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I got yelled at by a female usher down there awhile ago for sitting on the wall to the left of the dugout during BP (best vantage point for pictures). The other ushers had been letting me do it for an hour, because they’re awesome.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Guy with ponytail? Kind of medium height at best?
That’s Israel; he’s great. A definite fan disguised in an usher’s uniform.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, him! He was really nice to me, kept asking me if I was having fun. He rules.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
He's great.
And he definitely has a fondness for the ladies that isn’t too obscure.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
elitist mayor is elitist
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Aren't they all?
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
People will freak approximately 2 seconds after his first 88 mph fastball.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2009 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
OK LARS THE WCW
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
That was BUMGARNER???
I thought that was Tim Alderson last night with his gumption-filled, feel-for-the-game 89-mpheater….
Watching Lincecum hurt, Bumgarner losing velocity, and Posey sitting last night
I all of a sudden had a flash back of Star Trek : First Contact, when the Borg Queen ordered Data to fire at the Enterprise E, standing next to a helpless Picard and whispered into his ears
“watch….. your future’s end…”
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
LOL NERD
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Ah, the Borg Queen
My kind of woman.
--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
Crasnick’s feature on Zito is the main story on this morning’s ESPN.com MLB section with the classic title “Barry, Barry Good” (ugh.) Credits Zeets with helping keep the Giants above water in the second half.
He’s so gonna lose today.
--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
/shift-A
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions
Psh, this was nothing, took a 5 minutes.
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yeah
I caught up too
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Yeah, I caught up after ten minutes or so, actually.
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
what's more likely to happen?
A) Giants make the playoffs
B) Posey starts today
C) We discover that Sabean and Bochy have actually been under the control of aliens this whole season.
"Put your drawers on, and take your gun off."
I’m afraid it’s D) We discover that Sabean and Bochy have actually not been under the control of aliens this whole season.
--
Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
part of me thinks that with all the media pressure to start posey, and with today being a day game after a night game, and with the giants needing to, you know, score runs, and with posey catching zito’s bullpen on monday…
by sliderinthedirt on Sep 9, 2009 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
but the other part of me lives in the real world
by sliderinthedirt on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
I am waiting in suspense!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 9, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
look up. :(
76-63 - Giants Series Record: 24-14-5, 17-4 at home.
Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
baggs. he has it up now.
LF Torres
2B F. Sanchez
1B Sandoval
C Molina
3B Uribe
SS Renteria
CF Rowand
RF Schierholtz
P Zito
76-62 - Giants Series Record: 24-14-5, 17-4 at home.
Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
fuck you bochy...
no posey, and rent hitting 2 spots ahead of nate… at least no winn.
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT FUCK THIS TEAM
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
BENGIE CATCHING ZITO.
DAY GAME AFTER NIGHT GAME THAT BENGIE PLAYED IN.
IT IS BAD.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point. I got so excited seeing Torres at lead off that I lost my mind for a second.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Excited? You have very weird excitabilities.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
that's it!
Beat them at their own game!
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
RIP Posey
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
There’s Renteria clogging the lineup like a sausage clogs an artery.
And great, a tired Bengie Molina, now with even more suck!
Bengie in Lewis-like denial last night saying Gonzalez would have scored anyway even if he caught Nate’s throw
proud father of Edgar (Grandslam) Renteria
by rxmeister on Sep 9, 2009 10:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I haven’t rewatched the play, but I remember thinking the same thing at the time.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Srsly?
Yikes. I was up in the third level, but behind home plate, and even I could see that that ball was completely catchable. And I’m not just being a Nate homer.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
I had your same angle & I totally agree.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 9, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
we’ll never know, will we?
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 9, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well he's wrong
They had him by two steps. If Bengie held on, he was out. Haven’t seen the replay, but I was probably 40 feet away from it.
At least Nate is getting a start against a LHP… of course he’s hitting 8th but…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I HATE THE WAY THIS TEAM IS RUN
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
TORRES FAST BOOM BOOM BOOM
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Those were drums. I’m not sure who was banging them or why.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
howie is a secret A's fan
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I like the A’s. They have a number of exciting young players, like… ummm… wait… uh… do they still have Ellis?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He missed most of last season with an off-field injury but hes still there
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Sep 9, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, wow.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
YES! RENTERIA OVER GARKO!
IT’S SO CRAZY, IT JUST MIGHT NOT WORK!
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 9, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
lineup reax
meh
:)
:D
BORK!
:)
bah
meh
Jugger!
where else you gonna put the pitcher?
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 9, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Torres!
You have bunch young minor leaguers who got called up!!!!!!!
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2009 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Soooo, is shift – C not working for other people?
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
I thought it was just my computer, but no mine isn’t
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Fantastic
SBN has been fucked up for a while now. I wonder what happened and what they’re trying to implement that is fucking everything up.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And I’m seeing none of it.
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There should be a Grougthink option...
I could just select it and it would place my vote for the leading vote-getter. That way I would always be right.
And be one of the cool kids.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
donkey's line-up vs. a lefty
lf- torres
2b – sanchez
3b- sandoval
1b – garko
ss- uribe
rf – nate
c- posey
cf – rowandfail
p – zito
Baggs says LIncecum feels better -- light catch today if they'll let him
Just talked to Tim Lincecum. He said his back tightened up on the flight Sunday night from Milwaukee. He hoped to start as late as 3:30 Tuesday before trainers told him to back off. He is on muscle relaxers and sleeping better. Feels good enough to play light catch today if they will let him. Had back issues in high school and says they crop up from time to time, but it is no different from the occasional spasm someone would get from sitting in an office chair. Said he really is not too concerned. Very encouraged by the progression in the last 48 hours. Will listen to trainers and hid body, but if thr progression continues, he sees no reason he cannot pitch Monday, or earlier. Thought Bumgarner was awesome and envied his swing. I will post a fuller version with direct quotes when I return to the press box.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
Phew
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You aren't worried about where he hid the body?
The cops might find it!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
I heart Baggs.
Also, is it weird that I feel better knowing that Lincecum had back issues in high school and this isn’t a new thing?
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
i thought the same thing. The fact that he’s dealt with back pain before (and obviously has been successful) makes me feel good
by sliderinthedirt on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially after hearing all the, “MADE OF PORCELAIN! WE TOLD YOU GAIZ!” comments in the media yesterday.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
It seems kind of ridiculous to see him miss one bad start with back spasms (not even an arm problem) and then see so many people falling over themselves to say “I WUZ RIGHT HIS MECHANICS SUCK HE’S MARK PRIOR”.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Totally. I wish I could remember the details, but I heard some story about some “expert” who was like, “If I had to choose between Lincecum and Cain, I’d choose Cain, because Lincecum is too small.” REALLY? I love Matt Cain, don’t get me wrong, but that’s just lame.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Matt Cain is my favorite player but you’d have to be insane to prefer him over Lincecum
Especially considering Matt’s had a loss of velocity since he first game up too and has seen a drop in K-rate.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
That would be this man:
And as I said yesterday, trusting his opinion about anything is… foolish.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Joe Morgan represent the biggest disconnect from being really, really, REALLY, good at baseball to being really dumb about baseball?
It’s frustrating because it seems like he rails against the very things that made him such a good player
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
He’s easily a Top-50 player of all-time, maybe even in the Top-30. Yet, he just rails on weird stuff.
He’s certainly in the top 3 or 4 second basemen of all time (Collins, Hornsby, Morgan?)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Oh yeah, I forgot Lajoie. I would put Collins in that same group and have that as the top tier of 2B of all time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, I’d say maybe Eddie Collins would squeeze Morgan down to 3 or 4. Tough to rank them.
I wasn’t very familiar with Collins’ career, but hello 25-year career 141 OPS+
When I get really bored sometimes I go read the BBTF HoM discussions and I think they voted him as the best 2B of all time… I had no idea either until I saw that and went and looked at his stats.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I’m working my way through Bill James (New and Updated) Historical Baseball Abstract. I’m still in the 1890’s section, but it’s fascinating to read about older players that I don’t know much about.
I don’t know why I’ve never thought of picking something like that up before… I might have to go get one because it’s sounds awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It’s a lot of material, and while I don’t agree with Bill James much these days (esp. re: Win Shares and Runs Created), it opened my eyes to a gaggle of players from the past. Plus the Negro League stuff is good too.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Yeah, I don’t like RC or WS either but I think it’d be a lot of fun to read stuff about old players. I have this crappy “Hall of Famers!” book that was written for kids and it’s so hilariously shallow.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Speaking of Hall of Fame(rs) books
James’ Politics of Glory / Whatever Happened to Cooperstown? / whatever it’s called now was probably my favorite James book.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I haven’t actually. Tooo much school reading. :-(
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
He’s one of the guys i really wish I could have seen play in his prime, but unfortunately, that was a bit before my time.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 9, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
he’s against stuff that he doesn’t understand….like books.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The article to which I linked above points out that the sabrmetrics he so despises are the same ones that prove pretty much beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was the greatest 2B of all time.
In some measure of a defense, he is hugely tradition-minded (for better and usually worse) and would never consider himself better than guys from the Babe Ruth era or whatever.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that he’s beyond a shadow of a doubt the greatest 2B of all time though it’s arguable but he’s definitely up there (and an inner circle type player.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
No question there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If you believe UZR though, Chase Utley is having a very interesting career so far…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Yeah, he’s already got 40 career WAR. Morgan has 103 career WAR. He’s on a nice track, but will he have the durability (he’s 30-years-old right now) to post another 45-ish WAR over the next 10 years? That’s a little over 4 wins a season for 10 years.
Oh, I don’t think he’ll be able to pass Morgan, necessarily, unless he really turns out to be durable in his 30s but if he can add a few more 6+ win seasons to his total, he could have a good argument as a peak candidate.
It’s too bad the Phillies waited so long to bring him up
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Hmmm
Maybe he can put up 3 more 7 WAR seasons for 21 WAR. Then 24 WAR for the next 7 seasons.
I’d talk about his injury history, but the dude just keeps bouncing back and coming back early from them.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Yeah, he’ll need a few more monster seasons, but the fact that he’s even in the discussion is pretty amazing. Great player.
Well we have the next Utley in NOOONNAAAAANNNN
(Or if he’s even half the player Utley is, I’ll be thrilled)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
That is perhaps hyperboltastic, but it’s not my argument.
Bill James, in the most recent edition of his Historical Baseball Abstract, rates Morgan not only the best second baseman in baseball history but also the best “percentage player,” which is a rough measurement of baseball IQ.
…
He won two MVP awards, should’ve won three, and would’ve been a good choice for six, according to one writer for the Web site Hardball Times, who described Morgan as “the perfect second baseman” and “one of the most underrated and unappreciated players in baseball history.”
And when listing Hornsby, et al. it must be mentioned that they were not playing against the best of the best, just the best of the white.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
You definitely have to take that into account, but it doesn’t take them out of the argument altogether.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Also, no discussion of GOAT 2Bs could be complete without
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
he’s not even dumb about baseball, he’s just loudest about the parts he is dumbest about
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Does Joe Morgan represent the biggest disconnect from being really, really, REALLY, good at baseball to being really dumb about baseball?
I’m coming here late, but I wanted to say: maybe I’m alone, but I didn’t always think Joe Morgan was so bad as an announcer. It seems to me like he always had his foibles, but he also used to have some interesting things to say, but with all of the stuff about Moneyball et al in recent years, he’s just become so incredibly bitter that he’s unbearable and I don’t even really know why because, as has been said, sabermetrics pretty much shows he was a kick-ass player.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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That is weird. I would much prefer no history of problems than any history of problems.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
How about a history of violence?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I don’t know how to respond to this, exactly.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
What you do
Is pull down your pants and slap your butt cheeks in the direction of Natto.
Basically, you respond to this as you would resond to anything else.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
DONE
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone read the story in the Chronicle today about how timmy can’t sit normally in a chair? He has to sprawl all over it, and that perhaps he should learn to sit up straight? heh
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"I think I was the best baseball player I ever saw." - Willie Mays
Tommy Lasorda is the Antichrist
by tommylasordaistheantichrist on Sep 9, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
MMMMM....
muscle un-relaxer….
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
MMMMMM....
muscle relaxers…
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I vote for "Earlier"
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 9, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL sfgiants.com decided to go with the jazz hands for the Dodger tickets email:
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I also make music, please check it out
that one never gets old
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
haha!
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I also make music, please check it out
lol
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Padres lineup
No Kouzmanoff —> strained a calf muscle running the bases Tuesday night
SAN DIEGO PADRES
1. Everth Cabrera, SS
2. David Eckstein, 2B
3. Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
4. Chase Headley, 3B
5. Oscar Salazar, LF
6. Will Venable, CF
7. Edgar Gonzalez, RF
8. Henry Blanco, C
9. Wade LeBlanc, LHP
Their lineup somehow doesn’t look that bad. You know, from the perspective of a Giants fan.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
or this year, especially at petco.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Sep 9, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, class time but:
BEAT LA
SUCK IT ROCKIES
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Why is it that Bochy seems to show the most loyalty to his veterans who are consistently the worst? Renteria and Molina can apparently do no wrong, but Rowand, whose numbers have been fairly decent this year, gets dropped to the back of the lineup or out of the lineup at the first sign of trouble.
What’s been really frustrating about Bochy this year isn’t that a lot of us disagree with his logic— it’s that we can’t even FIND his logic. Ok, so you prefer veteran players to rookies… and you prefer veterans who have played poorly to veterans who play well? W.T.F. Any sane manager would’ve benched Renteria and started Uribe in his place a long time ago. You want to save face? Say it’s the elbow injury and that you’re shutting Renteria down so he can be more effective and ‘back to his old self’ next year.
Or maybe it’s that we favor big contracts over small contracts because we don’t want to be embarrassed by the guys earning way too much money for their production. But in that case, why the hell is Aaron Rowand, one of the team’s top three hitters (at least before the acquisition of Sanchez) dropped to seventh or eighth in the order at the first sign of a slump but Bengie Molina (in the last year of a much more modest contract) can’t buy a ticket out of the cleanup spot?
I really, really, really have to try not to go off on an expletive laden tirade every time I think about it. But seriously folks. BOCHY. MUST. GO.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Sep 9, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
Is there another possible infielder that we are forgetting? What about this guy?
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 9, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions
Infielder? No.
The Basil Fawlty Moderating Strategy:
"We could run a nice blog here if we didn't have all these members getting in the way."
Kevin Frandsen, come back!
The funny thing is, if you add up their numbers (disregarding the averages), they still combine to make an average 1st basemen.
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 9, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
U D D P!
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 9, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t call me dog, cat.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Smart people learn from their mistakes. Smarter people learn from the mistakes of others. - Raymond Stone
by RaymondStone.com on Sep 9, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
More from the CBS Power Rankings
The following verbatim entries come from my hand-scribbled Giants game notes: “Batting order picked out of hat,” “Posey blinking out S.O.S. again,” “Holy mother of dumb,” “13 relievers in a blowout win? Sure, why not.” Given how the Giants have outperformed expectations, Bruce Bochy might actually get a few manager-of-the-year votes. This would be as much of a farce as anything we’ve seen in baseball in several years –- and remember, this is the same collection of voters who gave Justin Morneau an MVP award following a season in which he wasn’t one of the top two candidates on his own team.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Schulman article kinda make me happy
Tim Lincecum, speaking for the first time about his back ailment, said moments ago the injury isn’t serious and he expects to return to the mound soon.
“I feel fine,” he said. “The steps I’ve taken in the last 48 or 60 hours, my back has gotten a lot better. I don’t see why I can’t make it out there in a few days. They’ve taken the right steps. They don’t need to push it right now.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?&entry_id=47180#ixzz0QdPLFGQd
I liked this quote just because it’s so Timmy:
“They said don’t do anything that would upset this right now. It’s hard for me. I have all this energy and want to move around, especially when I’m starting to feel normal again. Next thing you know, you overdo something.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?blogid=22&entry_id=47180#ixzz0QdQtZmMO
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
Shift-A
My lord are we chatty people.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
I just navigated it
Wasnt too bad
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
Mostly baseball again!
with some fast food arguments.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Guy doesnt like In-N-Out
How does that even work?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
I really really want to try it
but ive never been :(( midwest FTL
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I’m from the Bay Area and I’ve never been.
I don’t really like fast food in general, though. I last ate at McDonald’s ten years ago!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
Very nice
the only fast food i eat these days is subway. I can’t really stand the other garbage
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
at least that is made to order.
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I also make music, please check it out
Does Subway really count as fast food, though?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Not IMO
but sorta, since you go through a drive through (at least I do usually)
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I’ve never seen a drive through Subway. I’ve heard they do exist, but none around here.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
That's all there is here
tons of drivethroughs because we aint gettin out of the car in the winter.
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
Florida’s like that, except because of summer, not winter.
They have drive through liquor stores, which always struck me as just wrong.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
Los Angeles has those as well.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
that is weird
like the drive-through daiquiri stands in new orleans. They give you the drink in your car, but you can’t actually drink it while driving. Gotta love the south.
Side note: in minnesota you can’t buy alcohol that isn’t 3.2 anywhere but a liquor store. Also, no alcohol on sunday or after 10 PM
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
IDK if it's all of minnesota,
but the county i lived in was dry until the 60s
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
You can’t by liquor on Sundays in Massachusetts, either. The year we lived in Amherst, we sometimes did our grocery shopping on Sundays, and the shelf in the liquor section (which was pretty small to begin with – supermarkets could only sell limited items) was covered with a tarp.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
lol puritans
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
We also had to get a syphilis test and certify on punishment of surgery that we’re not related (which was pretty funny, what with me being throughly anglo-saxon/celtic and my wife being Chinese).
Also, in MA, marriage records are part of the public record – unless one or both of the people getting married was born to unmarried parents.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
wtf?
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
Wow, you had to do all that just to buy some liquor?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I forgot the context
FOR A MARRIAGE LICENSE. Duh. I’m tired, dammit.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
You can get married if you have syphilis
As long as it’s not contagious syphilis.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
I lold
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
+1
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I've never been happier to have Crabs
I'll give it another try
Just for you guys.
But if I still hate it, I’m blaming all you alls.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Like most fast food, let’s get you drunk first and go at 1am
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
I’d probably dig it in that scenario.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 9, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand why you don’t like it if you’re into crispy fries and Chicken. You are permitted to exist.
Hopefully you like Chik-fil-a.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.