The Giants and Minor League Evaluation
by Grant on Sep 25, 2009 10:57 AM PDT
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Not much time for a ton of writing today, so I'll just ask your help for possible posts down the road. I'm trying to make a list of examples of the Giants ignoring minor league performance in their hitter evaluation process in the Brian Sabean era.
- Rich Aurilia -- Fine numbers for a AAA shortstop, blocked by Jose Vizcaino because he was the "get one free" part of the Jeff Kent trade.
- Todd Linden -- Stellar numbers in AAA, never given a chance (note: this is a list of examples for better or for worse. It was almost assuredly a good thing that Linden didn't get a chance as a starter.)
- Dan Ortmeier -- Very little power, contact, or on-base skills in the minors, fluked his way into a .497 slugging percentage in 157 major league at-bats, taken seriously as a candidate for a starting 1B job in the majors
- Kevin Frandsen -- Career .317/.380/.452 hitter in the minors, blocked by vets and rooks alike. Also a career .241/.306/.342 hitter in the majors in over 450 at-bats, so this might be more of a Linden situation rather than a crime against player evaluation.
- Nate Schierholtz -- Career .308/.355/.516 hitter in the minors, blocked by vets and rooks alike. Also a career .287/.318/.408 hitter in the majors in over 450 at-bats, so...hey, that reads familiar.
- Brian Bocock -- A year after hitting .220 in A-ball, he was the Opening Day shortstop. Seriously.
- Emmanuel Burriss -- Two years after hitting .165 in A-ball, he was the Opening Day second baseman. Seriously.
- John Bowker -- Hit .342/.451/.596 with a reworked approach in AAA. The player standing in the way of a starting job in the majors hasn't hit a home run since April.
- Buster Posey -- Isn't likely to have an on-base percentage below .300, which makes him a special offensive catcher in this organization's history. Needs to prove his worth to get a single start; won't get a single start until he proves his worth.
- Eugenio Velez -- Nothing in his minor league career, other than a fine age-24 season in low-A, suggests he'll be more than a fine bench player. Because he had a ridiculously hot 80 at-bats when he was called up, though, he's a starting outfielder. And he's done just fine, mind you. But he also starts against left-handers, against whom he's hit .241/.288/.353 over his minor league career and .212/.287/.260 in his major league career.
No thesis, really. I'm just trying to figure out why the Giants completely ignore minor league statistics when they evaluate hitters. Actually, I guess I'm trying to figure out if they ignore minor league stats, and if that's even helped the team on a few occassions. Please help me fill in any gaps or omissions. Also let me know if I'm cherry-picking and/or making too much out of nothing. Also, feel free to ignore baseball entirely and talk about lunch, as that's what you're going to do anyways.
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But..But…. Pedro Feliz!
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by jctGamer on Sep 25, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fried catfish poboy FTW!
Plotting the ultimate demise of Gore51 (never met him, I dunno he could be swell) so as to adopt Kyle Nicholson.
"I don’t know much about sabre-stats but there’s nothing better than white tea and poptarts first thing in the morning" - tk
by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Sep 25, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
16th and Glenarm
downtown Denver. :(
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Sep 25, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also know of a place you can get such a po boy – in Chicago.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s less interesting. I was hoping for something in the FiDi.
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say FiDi
I say LoDo. Lets call the whole thing off.
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t take kindly to those from Denver ’round here.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pshaw.
Combat from behind enemy lines. Im practically your hero.
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by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Sep 25, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I would move to Denver in a second given the chance.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it takes longer than that.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG UR%
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA HA, SHIFT+FAIL!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this
ctrl+alt+down arrow
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luckily I am just smart enough to figure out how to fix that, but not smart enough to not do it in the first place.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you fell into my 5 vs % sarchasm
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to defenestrate you into a sarchasm BIATCH!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw your sig!
Are you stealing more of my work!?!
That’s it. Pistols at dawn.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha that is your comment. I’ll be honest I don’t feel bad.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so we’re clear, this is the second time you have lifted one of my comments for your sig in the last few weeks. I don’t know whether to be flattered or creeped out. I’m going with nervously flattered. Really, I think it’s funny, I’m just playing.
/turns around to make sure jhiat00 isn’t looking at me
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/was looking at you
No my last sig was “/has given up on this season.”
But I was posting “/jumps out a window” a bunch of times after you did it in a thread last week.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s cool. It’s like better than a rec’d comment.
Btw, I like your picture (white flag).
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. Actually I was trying to change it to a wookie throwing a baseball a little while ago but couldn’t get it to work. When I hit ‘update’ it would just clear out the filepath for the image.
SBN BRASS!!
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bah, Wookies playing baseball. Everyone knows that they can’t hit 90 because they don’t have enough arm speed from too much drag from their hairy arms.
But seriously, can you post that picture, I need to see it.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never posted a picture before but here is the link.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never figured Chewie for a southpaw. Huh…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, now that I think about it, a Wookie pitcher makes more sense than a Wookie electrician/mechanic/pilot, with those hairy fingers and all..
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps they should be more like Teen Wolf. He could decide if he wanted to be hairy or not.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's no Wookie
That’s Matt Morris.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's no moon...
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But opposing teams always let them win.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not wise to upset a Wookie.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not pictured: Wookie pitcher ripping the arms of the umpire out of their sockets.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we're taking credit for things...
…I’d like to point out that I was the first one to use the word ‘autodefenestration’ on MCC.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was the first person to ever mention Steve Mintz on MCC!
(Wow, his b-r sponsorship is even cheaper than Kim Batiste’s was!)
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but you weren’t the first to mention Luis Aquino because that was me just now.
Luis Aquino: not a good Giant.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the last 1995 Giant has finally gotten his mention on MCC!
I wonder how far you have to go back now to find a Giant who’s never been mentioned once.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL@ 2.4 WHIP
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is J.T. Snow listed on the roster here?
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did that one-day-contract-take-the-field-get-cheered-then-leave thing so he could “retire” as a Giant.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit he JUST retired?
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He last played in 2006. That was just a publicity stunt/favor to JT, basically.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see. Thanks for the clarification!
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year, yeah.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have gone 1/3 inning.
The stunt was totally Bush Administration.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too far.
There’s still at least one unmentioned guy from the 1994 team.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the roster reminds me: Kent Bottenfield was a Giant once. I always forget that.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Walker?
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone ever mentioned Mike Laga? When Grant brought up the 1989 team I started noticing all the guys on there that I had never heard of despite loving that team.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
As obscure Giants go, Laga gets talked about almost as much as Geddy Lee eating mini tacos.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also surprisingly popular
I also referenced him at McCovey’s, I think.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a place near 24th and Potrero called Yat’s that is supposed to have good po boys. I had one at Outsidelands and it was okay but that’s a tough venue to critique food so I’m going to give them another chance.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Sep 25, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either Catfish or Oyster poboys are usually on the Mavarick brunch menu (17th, west of Mission)
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by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pork burrito from the nearby taco cart. Stupidly excited about it.
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by woomikee on Sep 25, 2009 11:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am really craving a burrito as well.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just had a huge gyro. It was god damn good.
by speckops on Sep 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I knew of a good gyro place around where I am :(
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in
It was mind-blowingly delisious and I want another.
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by woomikee on Sep 25, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just had a shredded beef burro. It was good.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a bowl of peanut butter Cap’n Crunch. Not exciting, but I’m short on time this afternoon.
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by can of corn on Sep 25, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked up Brian Buscher since he’s managed to get some time with the Twins but his numbers from AA in his last season with the Giants don’t look that impressive. .259/.321/.366
The next season with the Twins organization he posted .309/.385/.493 in AA and AAA. Overall in the bigs he’s posted .266/.343/.356 for an OPS+ of 91. Last season in 244 plate appearances: .294/.340/.390 OPS+ of 100.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:07 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They paid attention to Andres Torres’s minor league numbers, which have steadily improved as he’s worked himself up through the minors the old-fashioned way!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you’re joking, but there’s some truth to that. They probably paid more attention to scouting reports than to his numbers per se.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, I know this is a dig at owlcroft but the Giants have done a good job with Andres Torres. If they were to decide he’s an everyday player all of a sudden and hand him a starting job next season, then we’d have issues.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To repeat what Sabean said yesterday, sounds like Torres will split leadoff duty with Velez next season barring any big signings. I don’t know how that will fit in position wise, but yeah doesn’t sound like Torres is going to be a starter
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s a platoon starter and 4th OF, I’m totally fine with that.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now the Velez thing, on the other hand……..
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, because Sabean also penciled in Sanchez batting 2nd, playing 2nd base for us too. Could be right now that the OF will be Velez-Rowand-Nate/Bowker if the Giants don’t do anything
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think that Bowker shouldn’t be in right though because his arm is so shitty (or at least seemed that way from that throw he had the other day)
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker in left and Velez/Torres in right makes a zillion times more sense.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t trust Velez playing any balls hit off the wall in right
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but really how often does that happen? Once a week?
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. Seems like Nate has bailed our team out a bunch with his arm out there, which I know has nothing to do with the wall, but like ugh I don’t think Velez/Torres would do anything close to what Nate did
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t trust Velez playing any balls hit off the wall in right
/ sets Benny Hill music into cue
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't Nate be in RF?
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by bondslegend on Sep 25, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it if Nate could get his offense back together…mostly by taking a fucking walk every now and then
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
... and stop swinging at pitches that are about to hit him.
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by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was playing really well before he got hurt and has gotten no consisten ABs since coming back. He will be fine (assuming they let him actually play).
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s the type of player that will improve with experience and familiarity… but that’s a subjective judgement. Also, plate discipline would be a really good friend of his.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree but his minor league #’s are impressive
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s probably not as good as a lot of Giants fans seem to think but I also think he’s better than how he’s playing right now.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This sentence probably applies to half the players on the 40-man roster right now.
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by Kitspool on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah…who’re we talking about again?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yu Darvish
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re probably right – I think he is kind of quiet, likable and seems to work hard, so people respond well to that…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m wondering if he can play CF
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he played there in the minors. I would be interested in seeing him there in the majors.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 25, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think he’s exactly the player that his season stats say he is.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case.
At the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if – given more consistent playing time – he could hit to his projections from before the season – in the .345 range for wOBA.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know in the big picture I’ll take that.
If he can be a pinch hitter like this (13 hits in 36 PA’s 859 OPS , ~ 416 wOBA) in what are usally late inning situation he makes a great 4th outfielder.
Personall I find Nate age 25 season a bit more impressive then I thought it would be in April.
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know about this. I think pitcher might have figured him out. Throw a slider at his back foot and you have a swinging strike. I think we have seen the best of Juggernate.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
should be “pitchers”
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think exactly the opposite – once he figures out what they are trying to do to him, if he is able to adjust his approach, he will do all right. That’s a big if, admittedly.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am more in this camp. He is only age 25 after all. As long as managmen does not give him the Lewis treatment odds look good.
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s possible that if you gave him the chance to adjust to that, he would.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to believe he could learn how to stop swinging at those pitches. That might come with experience, so I would rather have him stick around. Besides, he’s useful for his D anyway.
Is it the coaches fault he hasn’t adjusted to that pitch? We do have Shawon teaching hitters…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do free-swingers really ever learn to lay off those problem pitches? Nate is 25, not 19. Is he going to change?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t you think he should have a chance to figure it out? in 193 ABs through the July 26 (before he went on the DL), he hit .295/.326/.424 and in 135 Abs in June in July he hit .318/.352/.467. After coming back from the DL, he has had 84 ABs and has hit .214/.274.369.
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I actually think Nate is probably our best option in RF for next year, and I prefer him to Velez. The thing is, he is not selective, he never walks, and he doesn’t really have power. So he might be an average hitter who runs well and plays good defense. That is definitely valuable, but I don’t think he will ever be a good major-league hitter.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That assumes he can't adjust at all...
I know it’s a big if, but if he could learn to walk a little, he’d be very serviceable… Bottom line is that his career minor league numbers are very good: 308/ .355/ .516
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think (with my rose colored brain glasses, perhaps) even in the absence of walks, his power improves as he learns the pitchers. Not HR power, but extra base hits in general.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are higher on him than I am, which is fine – his minor league numbers support the idea that he can be a serviceable major league player. I think we are in agreement that he is probably the best option for RF next year as opposed to spending a bunch of money on a Abreu- or Burrell-type player.
Bowker in LF and I’m happy.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we are in agreement that he is probably the best option for RF next year as opposed to spending a bunch of money on a Abreu- or Burrell-type player.
Bowker in LF and I’m happy.
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make that two.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 25, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If wishes were horses, beggars could ride.
I think the problem is proximity. For most of the present Giants, if the man was with another organization and someone proposed acquiring him, there’d be—and rightly—screams of outrage. But seen up close through the lens of wishful thinking, some of them look like good players.
Take a look at the OPSes of the roster of some winning teams and see how many Velezes and Bowkers and Schierholtzes you find. A winning team does not need to be stocked with men who walk out of corn fields, but it cannot carry much, if any, mediocrity. Not all Titans—just no midgets. How many position players on, say, the Dodgers look like Hall of Fame players? One. And they wouldn’t lose much replacing him with a pretty good but not for-the-ages player.
But you cannot be a successful contender on a regular basis with a rosterful of players who are all major-league average or a little better. Or worse.
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by owlcroft on Sep 25, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U R old
kids now-a-days say: If wishes were Porsches the homeless would drive.
by Merope on Sep 25, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If wishes were horses, we’d all be eating steak!
by speckops on Sep 25, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dogcatchers have 2 certain HOFs, but among the under 30 guys — Matt Kemp is headed in the right direction.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny Ramirez and… ?
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thome?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. I forgot he was on the team.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Proximity and cost
Yes, we often tend to overvalue our own prospects – but also, they’re free, while acquiring another organization’s unproven Schierholtzes or Bowkers in trade would not be.
If you take the 2009 Giants and put a major-league average player at 2B and RF for the whole season, you have a playoff team.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People said that about Paul O'Neil's Reds days
But once he hit 30 (with the Yankees), he was a whole other guy.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
I like Nate, isn’t he like the fastest guy on the team too? He doesn’t look like it but i know he can fly and I think Kruk said it at one point. I just want them to put him there everyday for at least 200 ab’s and I think he’ll do a good job. Noone else we have is even a good option for RF
by ssbase21 on Sep 25, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s fast, but he’s certainly not the fastest.
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
minus Fred and Velez he is
Oh, wait, Torres.
Nate’s the fastest White guy.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s as fast as Torres, but I do think he’s faster than Velez, at least when it comes to running the bases (Velez takes a long time to get going). That inside-the-park home run Nate had was very impressive. I thought I heard one of the announcers say he rounded the bases in less than 15 seconds, which seems impossible.
He’s probably the second fastest guy on the team.
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it bad that I kind of hope the Giants don’t make any effort to improve so I can laugh at how shocked they are that they aren’t finishing over .500 again?
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather we just win.
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, me too, obviously. But, you know…
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it’s bad. You’re a bad person and you should feel bad.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is nothing new.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a bad person. But it feels so good.
by San Francisco Slim on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually what I kind of expect to happen. I have a terrible feeling about this offseason and next season.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 25, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ve enjoyed the fact that the Giants have been respectable this season – but I don’t enjoy the fact that that almost certainly saved Bochy’s and Sabean’s jobs.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. Is it wrong to say that was the first thought which crossed my mind when the Giants went on their June run? That Sabean will now not be fired. And he won’t.
its like accepting death or marriage.
by San Francisco Slim on Sep 25, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s convenient how the Giants want to give Sabean and Bochy credit for the improvement this year, but not the disaster of the past few years.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad but I think this is what we fans have come to embrace
We don’t even know what it’s like to have competence any more in the FO
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by Fan from Sac on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not going to get too down until Sabean and Bochy are re-signed.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torres + Velez =/= a viable everyday player and especially =/= leadoff ability.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but SPARKPLUG!
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes more than two sparkplugs to run a car.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when you’re taking those two sparkplugs and jamming them both in the same hole.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that hole isn’t even in your car.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now. Keep it in the bedroom!
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I keep my waffle iron in the bedroom?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To wake up to the scent of cooking waffles?
by quincy0191 on Sep 25, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chant with me!
1 more strike, 3 games out!
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say the Giants are more like a motorcycle with a sidecar. Not the cool looking kind either. So two sparkplugs is plenty.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 25, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SSS, but Torres’s numbers against LHP grab the attention: .350/.391/.767 in 64 PA.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with him on the bench. This starting every day and hitting second thing is killing the crap out of me, though.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it's not the "good old way" . . . .
It has been known for quite some while that line-up effects are improved if the classic #3-type hitter is actually batted #2, which obviously suggests that Sandoval should be in that slot. Moreover, as a generalization, the higher up in the lineup, the more seasonal plate appearances. Heaven knows Pablo’s OBP is plenty good enough even without a lot of walks.
Why Brock Bond, with a .429 OBP at Connecticut, a monstrously bad park for offense, is just ignored must puzzle anyone. Sure, no power: so? OPS of 838 in that cavern. With Bond, or someone of that sort, leading off and Sandoval in the #2 hole, a Torres could be batted #8 (“second leadoff man”). I’d take a lineup with a guy that good at #8.
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by owlcroft on Sep 25, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignored in what sense?
He’s played at five levels in the 3 seasons he’s been in the organization, and the very good season he just had in CT was his first at that level. Ignored because they haven’t called him up straight from AA to the majors?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair, most people (around McC and elsewhere) who think about Bond at all do not consider him a “real” prospect. The knock is average speed, no power, barely acceptable defense. Myself, I see that OBP and it looks real shiny. He’ll be in Fresno next year, I assume, though I doubt he gets a shot in the majors unless someone gets hurt or is wildly ineffective (eg Renteria).
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suggestive.
Looked at the 40-man roster lately?
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by owlcroft on Sep 25, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you arguing that he should be on the 40 man roster and, thus, have his option years started before it’s necessary to do so?
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by jponry on Sep 27, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
Sabean actually said this? Link?
by FireBrianSabean on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.knbr.com/common/global_audio/201/12678.mp3
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, just like I said.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
its about 15:10 in when he talks about next season.
Velez/Torres, Sanchez, then Panda are the only things set in stone pretty much for next year’s lineup. Panda either at 3 or 4. There was no mention of Molina at all, but that doesn’t mean much right now.
He doesn’t think that there are that many people through free agency who he feels will be a huge difference maker that the Giants can easily obtain.
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like he says that every year
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by Useful_Idiot on Sep 25, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To clarify, he says that there isn’t much out there that can help the team
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by Useful_Idiot on Sep 25, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was on the Sabean / Baer / Neukom show with Ralph and T. There’s probably a link on knbr.com for streaming.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe we’re about to give this doofus AND Bochy contract extensions. Ugh.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get why it seems like they’re tying themselves into the same shitty offense as this year for next year before the offseason has even started.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair, Sabean did say that he’ll do the usual looking for better players through free agency or trades or through the farm and what not but Sabean never will say something like “Rowand will be in center, Bowker will be in right, and we’ll find a new left fielder”
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah, but it just seems bizarre that they’re like, “Oh yeah, we’re going to improve but we’ve got Velez in left and Rowand in center and Pablo at third and Renteria at short and Sanchez at second and…”
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn’t Sabean have given us some hope at all like say something like, “I don’t know if I’ll even be here next season”, rather than telling us what he’s going to do?
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by rxmeister on Sep 25, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the record’s improved so much this season, so the offense can’t be that much of a problem, right!?
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Protip: Brian Sabean says a lot of things when he is drunk. Brian Sabean is always drunk.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the pro tip is to always be drunk?
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabean said if theoretically we have Velez/Torres leading off, Sanchez batting second and Pablo batting third, then we still have to find a 4th and 5th batter. So, replacements in the line-up for Molina and Uribe. But it does kind of sound like he’s fine with Velez and Sanchez.
Shocking!
by San Francisco Slim on Sep 25, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup. That just made me gag on a nice cold Rouge American Amber Ale. Not many things can do that.
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do other teams do this too? It is hard saying the Giants aren’t good at evaluating their talent if they follow similar patters that other teams do with their own players
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That still doesn’t make them good at evaluating their talent; it just means everyone else sucks.
by speckops on Sep 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure but it could be common for teams to do this sort of thing with young players
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly think that no team in the history of baseball has ever done anything to match the Bocock Maneuver.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha well yeah the Bocock situation seems so far out there that I don’t know if that one should be counted
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How QUICKLY WE FORGET
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by jctGamer on Sep 25, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man fan graphs has really fallen off.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good night, sweet prince
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to know someone else remembers . . . .
For those who don’t: second baseman; 2008 OPS at Fresno, 841; 2008 OPS for the big club, 820. Ignored and let go on waivers. The Red Sox organization now has him, and we all know how crappy they are at evaluating talent.
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by owlcroft on Sep 25, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. Score one for the FO.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 OPS at Pawtucket: .663. After the Padres also cut him loose.
I really don’t understand how you can be dismissing Bowker and Schierholtz as known mediocrities on the one hand while touting Travis Denker on the other.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooh. Good question!
Oh, that wasn’t a question.
Good statement. I want to know the answer to this.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously (OBVIOUSLY!) the shock of being let go by such an offensively inept team like the Giants killed Denker’s self-esteem so that he went into a tailspin of mediocrity.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is 90% in the head.
New last-minute catchphrase.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs work, bitch
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is 90% in the Nadz, Nerds!
Better?
September call-up catchphrases are always a toss-up.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And damn those idiot Sox, too.
I am not, and was not, “touting” Denker. While there’s a fair chance that he might yet be a pretty good ballplayer, the point is what was known at the time. And that was that he was doing well. Maybe he was not an answer to any question in hand, but for all the rending of garments over how this or that mediocrity isn’t getting his 15 minutes of fame this year, one would think Denker deserved something of a shot.
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by owlcroft on Sep 25, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard for us to answer this question since we don’t follow other organizations as religiously as we follow the Giants.
by deuce deuce on Sep 25, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, obviously, but I’m just saying this could be a common thing that teams do. It doesn’t make it right for us specifically, but if other teams do this it could just be a hard practice for teams to evaluate their talent fairly.
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't seem like the Angels do this...
But then again, I really don’t follow them at all.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 25, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m apparently going to the chalk talk with Brian Sabean tonight now, maybe I should ask.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to one of those once back in 2003. I asked him why Jesse Foppert’s velocity was so much lower than his scouting reports indicated. He replied with some mumbo-jumbo about becoming a “pitcher not a thrower”, and Tidrow basically said, “we’re working on it”.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 25, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should I ask about the discrepancy between Bumgarner saying his velocity drop is unexplainable and Sabean and some other minor league coach guy saying that it’s because he’s pitching to contact, etc?
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/cries
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Throw a shoe at him. And if you get a chance before security gets to you, throw a second shoe.
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by marcello on Sep 25, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I like it. Chances are, she’d probably hit Bochy’s head…wherever he might be in the world.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its gravitational pull alone would guarantee she’ll at least get the shoe in orbit.
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It could slingshot around his head and seriously injure an innocent bystander.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy's cranial gravitational pull is so strong that...
… his watch is always slow.
… light actually bends around him.
… yardsticks are only 22 inches long near him.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
helpful phrase
“YOU LIE!”
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask him about Fred Lewis.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was actually kinda serious. If Velez/Torres is the leadoff option next year even though Fred is likely to have ~50 points of OBP over Gene, will he even be on the team?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty convinced we were dumping him even before he said he wanted out.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll second that
Fred, the homegrown starter that wasn’t.
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by hairball on Sep 25, 2009 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred, Raja <<< Rowand and $40MM+
It’s just Sabean Science™ in action is all.
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad can’t bring a half gallon milk carton with Lewis’s face on it and hand it to him. All the while looking up with sad serious eyes like someone had just run over your puppy.
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by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m getting a big vinnie and going to a picnic at my kid’s school.
by toofruss on Sep 25, 2009 11:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Vizcaino wasn’t the only one to block Aurilia. Dunston did too, and he had to share time with the largely worthless Rey Sanchez in 1998.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We get lunch delivered on Friday. It’s not here yet but I’ll let you guys know what it is when it arrives.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks! Can’t wait to find out
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamburgers! Didn’t see that one coming.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither!
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stalker.
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by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for lunch, leftover Thai curry noodles.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rock Soup
Grant, you have been going on about this for some time. For the most I agree with you, albeit indifferently.
The Giants have been trying to get blood from a sack of turnips. Maybe we would focus on different turnips in the sack than the Giants organization does, but at the end of the day are we really gonna make soup out of any of these gagootz?
by JesseSeg on Sep 25, 2009 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re probably right, but one day, one of these turnips will turn into Carlos Pena or BEN ZOBRIST, and then the Giants will look really stupid.
And, yeah, I’m thinking Bowker’s the guy. And I’m thinking a smart team is going to get him this offseason for a middle reliever.
by Grant on Sep 25, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk about that Grant. Especially when Pena and Zobrist were much more highly thought of prospects than Bowker has ever been.
by Hobbes2d on Sep 25, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How highly was Zobrist thought of? I liked him, but I was just looking, and it doesn’t look like he ever cracked BA’s Top 100 list.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena was. I think Zobrist was a Josh Phelps type, beloved by statheads, but nobody else.
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by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think Pena was in the top 10.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Phelps
Wasn’t he projected to be somewhat llike Ryan Garko?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
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by baetown415 on Sep 25, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what might be worse...
Bowker does not get a chance to start next year because our lolfield is: Velez, Rowand, and Schierholz. Then he stagnates in the minors and gets all depressed and ends up in Japan or something. If the Giants are going to suck and Bowker is never going to get a chance to play, I prefer he gets traded and thrives somewhere else so I can endlessly bitch about it.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
I want to bitch about it forever.
Because well… Sabean sucks.
As well as Bochy.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 25, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. I think Bochy sucks better then Sabean.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oof
Thinking about an outfield with Velez makes my skin crawl.
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by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It bothers me less than an infield with Velez.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in the minority, but I think he’s improved a lot in the OF (I know, look at the starting point), and will continue to improve. He seems a ton more confident, and that contributes to what I perceive as his speedy improvement.
I dont think he’s the long term solution, but I’m in his camp (the camp with a difference, so never mind the weather, when you come to Geno’s, the holiday’s forever).
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by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve come around to him as an outfielder as well.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s looked pretty good, IMO.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you mean stone soup.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought about Lance Niekro but it looks like he did okay in the minors – 907 OPS his last year in Fresno – and he for sure got his chance with the Giants. Still, was he worthy to be the opening day 1B?
Giant season effort summary:
Was just enough ensure the Dodgers won the division.
Was just little enough to ensure the Giants lost the wild card.
by cybermaldonado on Sep 25, 2009 11:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Niekro’s minor league numbers were actually pretty terrible. Through his first 4 seasons (1 each at ever level) his stats were entirely BA dependent. He had absolutely no secondary average of any kind. He had 30 BBs combined in three seasons in A, AA, AAA and he barely posted SLG over .400 (in fact in his first year in the hit happy PCL he put up a .380 SLG). In addition he missed copious amounts of time to injuries and had trouble finding any defensive position he could play. Also, he was never young for his league. All in all, a pretty unimpressive resume.
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by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had 30 BBs combined in three seasons in A, AA, AAA
D:
D:
D:
Wow, I had no idea Niekro was that bad.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Linden’s a point for the Giants. It took him three tries to do something worthwhile in Fresno.
For fast, athletic guys that don’t know how to play baseball, minor league performance really should be weighted less, I just don’t know how much less.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And yet, they often promote people for no reason other than that they’ve gone on a hot streak in the minors. That’s what happened with Rohlinger and Denker last year, and arguably with Sandoval.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They did it with a few players this year too – Matt Downs, I think. Rohlinger again. Alex Hinshaw on the other side.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Rohlinger was also promoted because Castillo was so mind-bogglingly terrible that how could Rohlinger be worse?
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… but… weren’t there AA or AAA options that would have made more sense?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rohlinger was the AA option last year
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, though he hadn’t been there for long.
I don’t remember who was playing third at Fresno last year. I think McClain got a fair amount of playing time there.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClain? whatshisface the 29 year old third baseman that sucked? Justin Something?
I was okay with that part of last year, the big club wasn’t going anywhere, might as well bring up some actual kids.
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by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It took me a while to remember the name: Justine Leone.
A lot of people were advocating for him at the time, I think, because he had a semi-decent season with the Mariners a few years earlier.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet he was, as anyone could have predicted.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this year when the minor league coaches said Sadowski had “figured it out” even with pretty stunning minor league stats that said otherwise, they called him straight the hell up.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Sadowski was called up because they wouldn’t miss him when he was DFA’d.
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think he was mostly called up as an emergency option because they wouldn’t care if they had to DFA him later…
…of course, he started off with two pretty good starts and then they started talking him up like he was a great pitcher all over the place.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were guys they could’ve called up and sent down without DFAing, though.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC, the other options (Pucetas) had just pitched and so couldn’t make that start.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Of course, they could have, like, realized that they were possibly going to call someone up to replace Sanchez in the near future and manipulated the AAA rotation to call up the guy they actually wanted)
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s true – I also forgot that Sadowski was in there to replace Sanchez, not to fill in for an injury.
This team is all kinds of weird. Not that Sadowski vs. Pucetas was such a big deal.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right, I forgot about that.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats part of the sad thing of Minor League ball. If a guy doesn’t necessarily project to be a major league player, Giants can bring him up, see what he does, and drop him if he wasn’t performing.
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not on the 40-man
That was the problem. They wanted someone they could temporarily add to the 40-man, DFA, and not lose (or care if they did lose him). If they would have used Pucetas they would have had to keep him on the 40-man, and they wanted to keep the flexibility of not using the roster spot permanently. Because, after all, they can’t DFA Bocock to free up a spot under any circumstances.
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop telling me I’m wrong.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But all it does is expose the fact that I’m wrong. And I don’t think that’s helping.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah groug, stop telling him he's wrong.
Let someone else have a turn!
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It helps Groug.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally some sense!
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by groug on Sep 25, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you could probably also add Ishikawa to last year’s list.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but at least Ishi worked his way up the ladder level-by-level and was old enough to be plausibly ready.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
They also called him up briefly when he clearly wasn’t ready, but he wasn’t even hot at the time – in fact, he was having an awful year. That was an emergency injury thing, though.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right, I forgot about his first callup. That was pretty goofy.
by Evan on Sep 25, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine when they do this with minor league dudes who aren’t thought to be our best ones. Give them a chance in the bigs and if they can hang then great, if not then send them back down. Normally these guys get their chance as stopgaps and whatnot anyways
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from Twitter:
timkawakami: I’d say Wilson’s on par at htis point with Jenks, Soriano, Cordero, Valverde, Hawkins, Aardsma, Rhodes… Good but non-elite.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can live with this assessment
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by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I would take Bobby Jenks over Bobby Howry at this point in their careers.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs moar canyon tossing
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 25, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief
Do we really need a definition of “elite”?
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by hairball on Sep 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Currently...
I’d say Aardsma is pretty elite.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 25, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would still take Wilson over all of those guys.
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by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those taquitos are tasting great today
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by Yoyo on Sep 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
These pretzels are making me thirsty.
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by hairball on Sep 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The wife is illin’ so i made us some grilled cheese and some tomato soup.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Sep 25, 2009 12:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so thats why you bought those castor beans off me
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by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I see what you did there…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
During the planning of our wedding I suggested we serve grilled cheese at the reception and have a tomato soup fountain. She didn’t think that was very funny.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually have grilled cheese + tomato soup at a wedding
Fancy-like, with gruyere, gazpacho, and various artisan breads.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually that makes sense. At the time I was just being stupid because I was bored.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When it doubt, turn to a foodie. :)
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind grilled cheese.
/obscure
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by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, the thing i’ve been wondering about is how indicative of a player’s career stats are the first few hundred ABs? Do good players come out and perform well reasonably quickly or does it take some period of time to reach a career norm of performance? Is there even a typical performance curve?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s probably some correlation, but consider this:
Kevin Maas’s first MLB stint, 1990: .252 / .367 / .535 / 21 HR in 300 PA
Matt Williams’s first MLB stint, 1987: .188 / .240 / .339 / 8 HR in 266 PA
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Maas: 25 years old
Matt Williams: 21 years old
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. Give me some time and I’m sure I could find a similar example of players who were the same age, though.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Incaviglia, for example, was a lot closer to Williams’s age as a rookie – he was about a year and a half older – and he had like 55 points of OPS+ on Williams.
The larger point is that skepticism is warranted in both directions. Some players burst right out of the gate and then fizzle, while some look god-awful at first but develop into very good players.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone pointed out Raul Ibanez yesterday. Seems like a good comp.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I’m just looking at comps for Ibanez. Jose Guillen spent parts of 6 seasons in the big leagues before putting up a 100 OPS+ in his age 27 season
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking up this stuff reminded me of a guy who a truly weird career: Steve Balboni.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he wishes he could do 1982 and 1987 all over again.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To whit:
- He had a career .229 BA and .293 OBP
- He struck out 25% of the time and didn’t walk all that much
- He was fat and slow
- Somehow, he also had a 101 career OPS+
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sure did mash at Triple-A, though.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 25, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with a wOBA of .325. So basically for a 1B/DH, he was not good.
Also, when I typed his name into fangraphs, I typed “balbonin”. So I guess his career did have one silver-lining: a name of Bocockian proportions.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I’m not arguing he was good.
He also managed to stick around for more than a decade despite having no skills whatsoever other than DINGERZ.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget the mustache. That is a skill. I mean, you really have to own it.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tenants of Balboninism:
Swing. You aren’t up there to watch pitches go by.
Swing as hard as you can. Don’t get cheated up there. Don’t cheat the game.
Fruit. Don’t eat it. Fruit is for fairies.
Mustache. Grow one.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Man, taking lessons from Steve Balboni is ridiculous, like hiring Shawon Dunston as a coach or something!
Oh, wait.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What he said. Always pay attention to age. Its why Bowker is a bit of a dilelma.
by San Francisco Slim on Sep 25, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see that Garret Jones and Kevin Maas are the only two guys to have 20 HRs in a season with all 20 coming after the All Star break?
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by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should troll the SFGate and Extra Baggs commentors by pretending to make the same snap judgments while living in a 20-year-old fog.
Roger Craig is AN IDIOT. Are you telling me that Lefferts was a better bet than Garrelts in that ninth? COME ON.
And give it up, fan boys. Matt Williams will NEVER learn to hit breaking balls. Trade him and a mid-level prospect for Chris Sabo, and focus on 1990, when this team has a chance to DO SOMETHING.
by Grant on Sep 25, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally did give up on Matt Williams in 1989, too. I was shocked when he came back up and was good.
I was also 9, though.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re going to give up on Ernie Riles too soon! He’s going to breakout in 1990 I can feel it. And WTF, I know Brett Butler is good but Donnell Nixon needs playing time. Dude is going to be a stud.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably should have gone with Greg Litton instead of Ernie.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was always fond of Greg Litton. In an exhibition game, he once did he Buster Posey trick of playing an inning at each position.
Also his home run was one of the only highlights of the 1989 World Series.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember always really liking Randy Kutcher when I was young. I didn’t realize why until recently I looked up the log of my first game ever and he had hit a HR.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chili Davis hit a grand slam for the only runs in the ballgame at my first game.
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chili was definitely my first favorite player.
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Clark was mine, but I was like 4 when he was traded so I don’t actually remember him as a Giant. Will Clark was my first favorite whose tenure I can actually remember.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first game:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN199306240.shtml
Hooked.
by ryanmiles on Sep 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you loved Robby Thompson
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by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what my first game was. I know my grandfather and father took me to Candlestick in 1980, but I was a baby so I don’t really remember it.
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by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our first games were two days apart? Adorable!
by ryanmiles on Sep 25, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awwww
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We went to the whole series. Bonds hit two bombs the first game, got tossed the second game, and Torres broke Charlie Hays’ face!
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Mile High has a lot of seating capacity.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah they set a record for three game series but it’s probably been broken by now.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, leadoff hitter goes 0-6 and they still scored 17.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at that one too
still have the commemorative “Rockies first visit” pins they gave out
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Sep 25, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t remember when my first game was (I was a preschooler at the time), but I do remember the experience of getting ready to go and getting lost at the entrance.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was 6, I went to a game at Veterans Stadium with my parents. I had to use the restroom at one point, and insisted on going by myself. When I came back I made a wrong turn and couldn’t find my parents. I ended up walking all the way around the entire stadium before I found them.
They were just a little bit worried.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I walked away from my dad once at the Sturgis motorcycle rally. He was mad when he finally found me.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he mad that you walked away or that he found you?
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ve cut to the core of me Natto.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like an apple.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude’s dangerous outlaw biker offspring—be careful.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t remember exactly when my first game was but it was against the Astros because I remember Craig Biggio playing a prominent role.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t remember mine either, I was prolly in elementary school and went with the Palo Alto YMCA for summer camp. So this would have to be late 80’s
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
by ringleader3 on Sep 25, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine. Actually it was a double header. After mentioning how Randy Kutcher homered in my first ever game, I noticed that he struck out 3 times in the second game of the double header.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My first game was Little League Day 1985. Chris Brown homered. Huge effing fan ever since.
Half awake, half baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 25, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine was at age 4 in Sicks' Stadium in Seattle.
I’m trying to figure out what game it would have been so I can see the boxscore. I remember very little. My next MLB game: 8 years later when the Mariners came into something like existence.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why stop there? Make it a 30-year fog.
God, Marc Hill sucks. Free Dennis Littlejohn! ALTOBELLI’S AN IDIOT!!
Anagram of "suck it Russell Martin" = TRUER SKILL: SCUM STAIN
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 25, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants had a catcher around that time who my dad used to describe as running like he was carrying a piano on his back. I’m not sure, but I think it was Marc Hill.
I bet Molina’s even slower, though.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Molina runs like he’s dragging an upside-down piano behind him in the dirt.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow! That’s a great memory. Marc Hill ran like he had a piano on his back going uphill. I’d pay money to see a Marc Hill/Bengie Molina race.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY WON'T THEY GIVE JOEY AMALFITANO A FAIR SHOT??
The guy must’ve put a dent in Rigney’s Oldsmobile or something.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY THE HELL WON'T McGRAW PLAY MOONLIGHT GRAHAM MORE THAN A HALF AN INNING!!!
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
40 million is WAAAY too much for Barry Bonds!
Half awake, half baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The SFGate comments on Shea’s latest Posey article are incredible.
Ex:
pick up adrian gonzalez and carl crawford dump rentadiareha start velez at short and shurholze in right keep super uribe and you might just win it all
by ryanmiles on Sep 25, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rentadiareha? shurholze? Wow.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
those are nothing compared to “velez at short”
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked “carl crawford dump” myself.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pick up adrian gonzalez and carl crawford dump
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a riot!
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a definite age curve for hitters, so I’m willing to bet that most hitters have a worse first couple hundred ABs than the rest of their careers.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say No there isn’t. Mays went 0 for his first 40 or ABs. Ty Cobb had a fairly unproductive rookie year (of course he was 18 and when he came back up at 19 he began mashing), while Ted Williams’ rookie year (age 20) would easily be the greatest season in most players careers (including a lot of other HOFers).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tacos
mashed into taco salad
Timmy is my Man-crush
by Fan from Sac on Sep 25, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Spaghetti squash spaghetti
And some day I will make spaghetti squash pad thai.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 25, 2009 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I made this once, it was incredible
Good call
Timmy is my Man-crush
by Fan from Sac on Sep 25, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Squash spaghetti is a delicious way to get your veggies for the day!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 25, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that I'd be happy with this, but wouldn't the following be better than what we had this year?
vs. RHP:
Velez – LF
Sanchez – 2B
Posey – C
Sandoval – 3B
Uribe – SS
Ishikawa -1B
Rowand – CF
Schierholtz – RF
Pitcher
vs. LHP:
Torres – RF
Sanchez – 2B
Posey – C
Sandoval – 3B
Uribe – SS
Garko -1B
Rowand – CF
Lewis – LF
Pitcher
Quibble about the batting order if you’d like, but I think if Bochy had started going these lineups just the last two months of the season, we’d have caught the Rockies. This is what I’d do if the Giants aren’t able to land a Holliday, Bay or Crawford.
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by Goofus on Sep 25, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it’d be better but not really significantly so.
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by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know we will talk about this all offseason, so I am not going to blow my wad now (Is that kosher to say? I had a biologist say that to me in a car ride down to a field site this week… I thought it was sort of unprofessional, but what do I know, I am still laughing over Balbonin.), but here are some ideas:
-Bowker needs to start in the outfield.
-Giants need to make a decision whether Panda is going to stick at 3B instead of 1B. 1B should be (contrary to the Giants history) easier to fill. The total production from 1B/3B needs to go up.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as no spatter gets on me, I’ll allow it.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in a car/private setting between two males its PC but in public when someone could over hear you and associate that behavior to the other person (you in this case) its not cool. In the presence of a women it can skewed as inappropriate.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn’t it mean waste all your money?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
after the fap fap fap discussion my mind is in the gutter
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think that’s actually where it comes from as is a “wad of cash”.
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by Goofus on Sep 25, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed…and I know everything
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a guy, an older woman (45ish?) said it. And to respond to a comment below, I think she probably meant it in the terms of money. She did tell me that she used to do coke though, so who knows. She’s nuttier than a fruit cake.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
outside of a wad of cash, she shouldnt have a wad to blow. Was her name Lola?
Plotting the ultimate demise of Gore51 (never met him, I dunno he could be swell) so as to adopt Kyle Nicholson.
"I don’t know much about sabre-stats but there’s nothing better than white tea and poptarts first thing in the morning" - tk
by Whiteteaandpoptarts on Sep 25, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
L-O-L-A!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that song has been in my head for the last 37 minutes.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve been wondering what happened to our bipolar, wacko neighbor lady who abandoned her apartment (after first throwing 75% of it’s contents out the front door at passing neighbors….) I think you’ve found her.
by Merope on Sep 25, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did she blow her wad on coke…or did she blow someone else’s wad for coke?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Sep 26, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worked for a Astrophysicist as an undergrad
and he used the phrase “shot our wad” with regards to spending our funding… needless to say I almost lost it.
by TwoBagger on Sep 25, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure that blowing your wad is Kosher, but I’ll really have to check with my Rabbi to be positive.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear it’s kosher but not halal.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
blowing it is clearly Kosher, but the wad itself may not be…
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as there’s no pork in it, right? And don’t let it touch a dairy product?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is probably too close to being shellfish. the little guys look like shrimp
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if you blow it while porking?
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, this kind of philosophical nuance is exactly why I’m no good at religion.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s funny, I would never have known that you were no good at religion based on this thread…
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mybe he’s so good that he realizes that he will never actually be ‘good’.
/head asplodes
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I want to smoke some marijuana"
-Madmen Season 3, Episode 3 (I think)
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m beginning to think I should see an episode of this show they call Madmen. Arrested Development too.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Garko or Lewis are coming back.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Giants will be able to sign Uribe either. Rent will be the starting SS next year unless his arm falls off. Pretty much I think we are looking at this (some optimism included):
Rowand – CF
Sanchez/Frandsen/Velez – 2B
Mythical Firstbaseman – 1B
Sandoval – 3B
Posey – C
Bowker – LF
Juggernate – RF
Rent – SS
Pitcher
I think Torres sticks around to be 4th OF and plattooner.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind that lineup if Posey plays everyday.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really don’t mind it. Can’t we get a taste of it now and just use Garkikawa as the understudy for the mythical 1B?
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you feel about Ishi long term (let’s assume he is not a +10 fielding 1B)?
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Garko is a one-trick pony (can’t hit RHP; can’t play any other position), so what do you do there?
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good ?, but that seems to be one of the primary areas of need. I guess we can start taling about Nick Johnson again.
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m beginning to think that nobody else share my irrational hatred of RHH-only 1B types like Garko.
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can hit from RHP and he can play catcher. So there. It’s not awesome production against righties, but he’s hardly inept. He just hits lefties way better.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
vs. RHP: .266/.334/.420
vs. LHP: .316/.394/.504
I guess that is about league average (it’s also basically Ishi’s stats), but it is also about 3 times the number of plate appearances, which I think is probably the same rate going forward.
Also, isn’t he just an emergency catcher at this point?
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently (I know we must have gone down this road two months ago) he hasn’t caught since the minors.
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, aside from 12 games in the outfield, he’s been a first baseman / DH exclusively in the majors.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I know the catching thing is kind of a farcical point, and defending his mehtastic stats against rightiesis an uphill battle. But he’s really pretty far from being a useless player-type.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s useless, I just wouldn’t want to give a bench spot to a player like him. If he is only going to play 1B and only bad vs. LHP, I think his utility is very small. Or narrow. I don’t know. TWSS.
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he also shouldn’t be taking a bench spot. He should be the starter on this team.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I were running the Giants Nick Johnson would be my #1 free agent target (non-Holliday division).
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Ishi pan out, maybe like Carlos Pena finally did
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way we get Mythical Firstbaseman. The Yankees are gonna throw silly money at him.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mythical Firstbaseman comes from a place where quality of life matters more than money. The place he is from values a strong fanbase and an elite pitching staff. People there like to walk, and they want their players too do so as well. There are unicorns there too.
/autodefenestrates
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll lead the league in doubles.
Maybe even triples.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, replacing this year’s Winn/Renteria/Molina with almost anyone is going to be an improvement, unless the replacements underperform as much as those three have.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Pablo is an example of them getting it right...
He was fast-tracked appropriately. In fact his minor league numbers were .303/.342/.445 and in his 1+ seasons in the bigs he is .330/.376/.531
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Needs to prove his worth to get a single start; won’t get a single start until he proves his worth.
I laughed and I cried.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
by Goofus on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I went to Panera and had bagel/cream cheese and coffee.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Panera.
But only b/c my fiances roomate in college worked there and she was bipolar crazy. And when I say crazy I mean she would get in fights and scream at one night stand guys that she meet in the bar the previous night. Then she would cry about them not loving her.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m bipolar and I love Panera. But I don’t flip out at people, only the Giants.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they figured you out that fast?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Panera figured out how to get me to love them pretty quick: serve tomato soup.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 25, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, the important stuff
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My wife and I went on our first date at Panera. It was a lunch date
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Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Sep 25, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leftover bacon/onion tart (more like a flatbread) from Bistro Liaison in Berkeley.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
interesting tidbit
California is named for a powerful, wealthy, handsome, black lesbian. Well, that sounds improbable; doesn’t it? But it’s true nonetheless. California is named for Calafia (sometimes spelled Califia), warrior queen of a mythical tribe of Amazon warriors who were believed by early Spanish explorers to inhabit the place we now call California.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What were Calafia’s minor-league numbers like?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were hot.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good pitching, no hitting
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the most common theory for where the name came from, but we don’t actually know for sure.
Other early (European era) names for California: Carolina Island, New Albion.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
black lesbian sounds about right to me
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the lesbian angle is a later addition or assumption. The novel from which the name came fsays that they got together with “their adversaries” (other tribes, presumably, that included men) for baby making purposes. At least, if this is a legit excerpt, which it seems to be.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Sep 25, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just listened to Podcast of Sabean on KNBR yesterday...
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just waiting for the CD to end (Best of the Red Garland Quintets) before listening and joining you for a double (facepalm).
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ralph with Sabes: “Neifi Perez, Jesus Christ”
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still laughing about that line. It is top 10 all time.
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/feels old
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
neifi, the single edged sword
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always though of him as asingle edge glass shard.
On the kitchen floor at 3am untell my bare foot finds it.
/shrugs
To each thier own.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Sep 26, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum Open To An Extension
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [September 25 at 9:55am CST]
Tim Lincecum is open to the idea of a long-term deal, according to John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle. The 25-year-old righty says he’d consider a multi-year deal if the Giants approach him about one.
“I definitely like San Francisco,” Lincecum said. “I’ve seen nothing but positive things as far as my personal experiences. It’s where I see myself being for a while.”
If the Giants decide to extend the reigning Cy Young winner, there won’t be many precedents off of which to base a deal. After all, few pitchers win Cy Youngs in both of their first full seasons. Lincecum has an ERA of 2.47 and a league-high 247 strikeouts over the course of his 211.1 innings pitched, so he’s a leading Cy Young candidate once again.
Lincecum will be a super two player this offseason, so he’s about to hit arbitration for the first time. Fellow super two Cole Hamels signed a three-year deal worth $20.5MM last offseason, so Lincecum’s agent, Rick Thurman, will be in position to demand at least that much if the sides start negotiating. Lincecum, who is on track to become a free agent after 2013, could conceivably demand Zack Greinke money ($38MM) to cover his four years of arbitration. Greinke’s deal bought out two of his free agent years, but Lincecum can demand a precedent-setting deal since he has established himself as one of the game’s best.
by DFAAurillia on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
how much is too much?
he’s damn awesome. Does 4 years/$45M sound like too much? would that get it done?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see a 4 for 40 Mil deal
by DFAAurillia on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would be the point of that? He’s under team control for the next four years anyway. He probably figures to make about that much in arb — if he stays healthy. So that would just be guaranteeing his arb years, and the Giants wouldn’t save any money or get any additional seasons of control.
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point is if you’re only taking about buying out his arb years, it removes a lot of uncertainty in going into arb every year. Plus, arbitration can be contentious and there’s no reason to go through it 4 times when each side can take their own risks into account and work out a deal in advance, which would also engender good feelings among the two sides, which helps out further down the road. They could always include options for the years beyond the deal.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
But if the Giants are going to guarantee Lincecum he gets paid those four years, they should get something in return, right? Either a cheaper price, or additional years.
by taliesin on Sep 25, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So whatever happened to Lance Niekro?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was trying to convert to a pitcher at one point.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
knuckleballer
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs more tebacci
/autodefenestrates
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Needs more knuckle
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn’t considered that (before saying this)
|
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"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean this?
l
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Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Sep 25, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tounge-in-cheek: the secret to throwing a good knucke ball.
See also: FFFFFFFFFF for other pitches.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had great minor league numbers
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s in the Braves org.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the smilin’ okie, Damon Minor
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mexican Fiesta Salad from Cafe Rosalena in San Jose.
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is my favorite salad, ever. Great choice. I haven’t had one in awhile, but I think that will be my lunch tomorrow. Thankfully I live just around the corner.
by jnormous on Sep 25, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I live (part time) in this hood as well. A few blocks west of Race, just off the Alameda.
Rosies Pizza sells there salads as well (same owners I believe).
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Same owners. I work just down the Alameda and eat there quite frequently.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small world (unless you need to clean it).
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a fantastic hot dog for lunch. It was split and grilled, topped with grilled peppers, kim chi, mustard and hot sauce. I also had a peach and arugula salad.
by calpolynate on Sep 25, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I had Grilled Cheese.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No lunch yet for me
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instant Noodles!
Why do they put corn in that crap?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re talking about two different things, right?
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’ll have corn in your crap!
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember eating corn?!
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: has any one every had a Septoplasty (deviated septum correction)? If so what can I expect, I am getting one in 3 weeks
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
pain
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of rails will help that.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reminds me of when I had my broken nose “fixed”
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I’m not worried about the procedure. I am just afraid of the pain, I know its worth it to be able to smell and breath out my nose
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they can put you under, by all means, take them up on it
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I know its worth it to be able to smell”
Stay away from the Giants.
Serriously, best of luck with the surgery.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a reason I have waited until 7 months before I leave Philly to fix this. (I’ve lived here going on 3 years in May)
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wanted to make jokes, but surgery isn’t really that funny, so good luck. My guess is you will probably have black eyes.
/autodefenestrates
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 25, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My step-father had that surgery a few years back. He was hating life for a couple weeks, but now he’s very happy to have it done. Good luck.
by jnormous on Sep 25, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any word yet on Molina? And are we going to have to sit through another night with Whiteside behind the plate?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s another year that concerns me
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
X-Rays negative (just like Molina’s offense). Baggs speculated that he’d be out for a few days as it obviously hurt.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who’s this “Baggs,” and why should we care?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s a Giants beat writer and a good one.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but actually, it wasn’t him speculating (oops). it was his occasional fill-in.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi Lawrence Medina here for U R 5
Half awake, half baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 25, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t they use the hand as an excuse for his poor hitting and just shut him down for the year?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they don’t understand what you mean by poor hitting
by DrStankus on Sep 25, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants NEVER shut anyone down for the year. Rich Aurilia could die of a stroke on the freaking field, during a game, in front of television, spectators, and gods… and the next day he’d be listed on the roster as “day to day”
by Merope on Sep 25, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t actually include Aurilia in this list. His minor league numbers were pretty decent, but he had just been given a 350 AB audition in 1996 and he was just horrific. I don’t think any Giants fans that winter thought he should have a major league starting position handed to him. Aurilia’s 1996 may not have been quite as terrible as Emmanuel Burriss this year, but it was certainly comparable. In the end they may really have handled Richie’s development perfectly.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
right on, go E-man
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, though, he showed definite signs of improvement in 1997, but got very little playing time.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His improvement in ‘97 was rewarded with a chance to reearn the starting job in ’98, which he took advantage of. I don’t think having him take a step back from the disaster of ’96 and grow as a role player was necessarily a bad idea. And certainly, we know the end result of using him that way was several years of a very productive player. We can only guess that the same might have been true had they gone the other way and just let him work through it.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Sep 25, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish they would’ve given him some more time as 1997 went on. It’s not like we couldn’t afford to take Vizcaino out of the lineup.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Horwitz would have won a batting title if given a chance. Maybe seven or eight batting titles. And one or two home run titles. And the World Series.
Seriously, though, to defend my son: He hit .317/.387/.422 in his minor league career, and got rewarded with all of 36 major league at bats. I know, no tools, no secondary skills, but line drives don’t count anymore?
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Sep 25, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Brian really your son? Where’s he playing now?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 25, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to introduce you to our Adopt-a-Giant Program.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have only had two restraining orders filed against us
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically, Judy Steffes isn’t a Giant…
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
two that stuck for any length of time.
/ looks arround to make sure not near to Ivan Ochoa …
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
by daveinexile on Sep 25, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, so a lot of us mccovitiens say that certain guys weren’t given enough of a chance, but there isn’t a magical amount of at bats that has been consistently proven to show when a player “has it” or not. since none of us knows how many at bats any individual player needs to prove their worth, then can we ever really logically complain? i know we can emotionally, because it feels good to complain…but i just don’t see where our opinions on sample size and such is based off of any reality, and not just feelings and guesstimates.
personally, i wanted mark leonard to get more of a chance in rf back in the day, and i felt cheated because he didn’t… but thats hypocrisy to discuss another time
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
wurdz
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by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, that’s the line-drawing fallacy. Just because you can’t nail down where the exact line between enough and not enough is doesn’t mean that you can’t distinguish between enough and not enough. While I think the Giants hit the mark on a number of these guys, I think intelligent fans can come up with reasonable standards for whether a prospect has gotten his shot or not.
A player should be given an amount of rope dependent on his past success and upside, balanced against how risk averse his team feels given their shot at a pennant. Dan Ortmeier pretty clearly did not deserve much rope, while Buster Posey will.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
then tell me how to distinguish…
what are the criterion for such? if it isnt a magical line that you want, then tell me how to do it without it
Les Plack = more chicks
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by Headhunter Rollins on Sep 25, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, like I said, it’s going to be different for each player, there’s no recipe for it.
A guy who has a lot of athletic gifts, and has had a lot of minor league success at age appropriate levels should get a lot of leeway, especially if the team sucks or there are no cheap alternatives. A guy with only the gifts, but not the past success, should get some leeway, but less than the first group. Guys who just have one good minor league season when they were old for their level, I don’t care if they’re evaluated on a small number of mlb ABs.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Making this kind of judgement call is one of a GM’s most important duties. Unfortunately, it’s also one that Sabean sucks at.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardly anything in life is defined
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 25, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(1 divided by 0) is saying, "you KNOW dass right, baby"
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the thing with Ortmeier was that they benched him because of spring training performance (kind of a reverse Burriss) . Even if Ortmeier was the wrong choice for 1b it seems their method for determining that was flawed.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
Burriss – enough PA’s
Bowker/Frandsen/Guzman – Not anywhere close to enough
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Sep 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. This.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nailed it.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JACKPOT!
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Silly Goat Boy now screaming for Pizza Hut.
"I FEEL A LOT OF HAPPY!" - Juan Uribe
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Sep 25, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bobby Jenks, Jim Breuer.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll have to look that up later. Work blocks utube.
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lesson is do not deny Jim a slice of pizza.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 25, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KABOOM!
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by Natto on Sep 25, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Sep 25, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
meh on Frandsen. I don’t mind blocking him, I just wish the Giants would block him with someone worthwhile.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's really the issue w/ Frandsen
they gave Burriss 200 at bats and then wouldn’t give Frandsen more than a start or two while others were on bereavement leave, which isn’t much of a chance at all. Since he didn’t go 8 for 8, they wrote him off. All the while, Frandsen was hitting quite well in AAA and 2nd base was a black hole of offensive suck (until they put Uribe there) (SS wasn’t much better).
He’s probably not ever going to be a good full-time player at the major league level, but he should have been given a greater opportunity to show that this season.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 25, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree; it is the line-drawing fallacy. (I even agree with the hyphen usage, and I bet HowTheyScored does, too.)
But this brings us back to a bone of contention between the Serious Stats Quasi-Absolutists and the rest of the population: there is absolutely a role for observation, which is admittedly subjective but which is also systematic and based on a lot of accumulated observations (or, you know, should be).
Galileo figured out the thing about the sunspots on the sun by visual observation, then charting them each day and seeing that the damn things appear to crawl across the sun. From that he derived some pretty incredible and valid knowledge. Et cetera. Observation is the foundation of all knowledge. Stats have an important role to play, but they don’t answer all questions nor reveal all knowledge. (And no, this isn’t a strawman: I am not suggesting that any of the SSQA’s dismiss scouting altogether. My point is that sheer numbers don’t tell us everything we need to know about a player, and that what constitutes a sufficient chance for a new player is determinable on an individual basis only, and that determination is going to be based on non-stat observations such as coachability, mechanics, the barriers to greater success and the surmountability of those, etc.)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’d have to be crazy to think there is no role for non-statistical observation.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, and I'm not suggesting anyone (worth listening to) thinks there is NO role for it.
But I think the “EYEZ!!1” crowd minimizes it. It has an enormous role to play, not just a minimal role.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more
because professional scouting reports are less available than statistics, and because I have an affinity for statistics I lean on them more than anything else when we talk about baseball.
Also, in my experience, the average fan has no idea to really watch a baseball game from a talent evaluating perspective (myself included, though I feel I know good 1B defense when I see it). A GM with professional scouts watching baseball players should take full advantage of the qualitative insights they offer.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 25, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Whiteside is starting to tonight, Bruce Bochy, after giving his lineup card to umpires, should just flip off the crowd as he wobbles back to the dug-out.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 25, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry- i mean what happens at about 1:10
by capn on Sep 25, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
Velez 2B, Winn RF, Sandoval 3B, Uribe SS, Bowker LF, Ishikawa 1B, Posey C, Rowand CF, Lincecum RHP
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 25, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
WUT??!!??!!
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can roll with this. What’s your source?
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 25, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants twitter
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 25, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://twitter.com/SFGiants/status/4379978224
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 25, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
mathematically still in this thing!!
I still believe in Bowkermania.
by rightcenterfielder on Sep 25, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS!!!!!!!!
"I FEEL A LOT OF HAPPY!" - Juan Uribe
FREE BUSTER POSEY
by djp4cal on Sep 25, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT OMG OMG OMG OMG
I’M GOING TO POSEY’S FIRST CAREER START
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missed it by two days. SONOFABITCH!!
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG OMG OMG
I AM JEALOUS
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 25, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish I could go. :( TIMSDAY TOO!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 25, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many thanks to the Mayor for giving me the opportunity to be a witness to history.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The world’s first recorded in-the-stands unfing happens today.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
fapping?
Mustache. Grow one. - Steve Balboni
by jhiat00 on Sep 25, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfing.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfing?
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girls don't fap, geez.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least not on the internet.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one’s I hire do.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m going to write hearts around his name on my scorecard.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 25, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Fred.
Ain’t go no love from nobody, no how, not now.
by hokysmksbw on Sep 25, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me, too! Yay! Yay! Yay!
Btw, I’m going to try to meet up with you guys at some point tonight.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
by kdl on Sep 25, 2009 4:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Cool!
I’m on my way now to the … you know.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Sep 25, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY FUCKING GOD
YOU EAT YOUR DAMN EGGROLL
by heimy25 on Sep 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god!
TOO HORIZONTAL!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 25, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I approve
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 25, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horizontal lineup is horizontal. And interesting. Posey v. Zambrano. I’m there.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too busy trying to comprehend the fact that BUSTER FUCKING POSEY IS GETTING A START to edit it into the normal format.
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 25, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochey-y must be in a coma
/kidding, I wish him no ill
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
by bgunn on Sep 25, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bochy in a coma, I know, I know it’s serious
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
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