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What Bengie Molina Represents

He plays hard. He's earned respect. But there's a reason some fans are losing patience. Also of note: I think he killed/decapitated Brandon Moss on this play.

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He plays hard. He's earned respect. But there's a reason some fans are losing patience. Also of note: I think he killed/decapitated Brandon Moss on this play.

At the risk of repeating myself, one of the most important things that fans and players alike can remember is this:

When fans boo players or curse them out, it is almost always an editorial comment on the decision by the front office or manager to put the player in the position he’s in.

There are exceptions, of course. Armando Benitez was just an unlikable tub of goo. There are players who don’t try their hardest, don’t run out groundballs, or who curse the fans out. Those players earn their boos. Most of the time, though, a player is getting razzed because he shouldn’t be out there. When Marvin Benard would break in, back, up, and then back again to run after a fly ball, the boos didn’t translate to "Marvin Benard is a bad human being, and I object to his presence on this planet", it translated to "Jeez, guys, can’t you scrounge up a better centerfielder?" We’ll just ignore the concept that Benard would probably one of the best options to hit in the middle of this lineup.

Star-divide

Now Bengie Molina isn’t getting booed. On the contrary, most fans are still enamored of him, his veteran presence, and his leadership. But if this site made sounds, Molina would be getting some pretty loud boos. Actually, I could do a week-long series about what would happen if this site made sounds, but I digress. Every time Molina allows a passed ball, hacks at a pitch two feet off the plate, or grounds into a double play, the comments in the GameThreads are less than cordial.

It isn’t just this site, though. It’s fans all over the internet, from Extra Baggs comments to Facebook status updates. The internet baseball nerd demographic is a little tired of Bengie Molina. Here’s my best guess as to why:

What Bengie Molina represents

  • An organizational philosophy that was proven to be ineffective. Plugging each and every lineup hole through free agency isn’t cost effective, and it’s likely to leave the team with overpaid, declining players
  • A reminder that the front office values on-base percentage much, much, much lower than it should. I don’t think that Brian Sabean or Bruce Bochy are unaware that Molina has the worst on-base percentage in the National League, I just think they are able to justify it somehow. They’re able to say, "yeah, but his RBI/clutch presence/power makes up for it," and that’s a very specious argument. Dead wrong, even.
  • A reminder that the front office has been unable to find an acceptable cleanup hitter by any means necessary for several years now

Every time Molina is up, these things are at least tickling our subconscious. He’s a walking metaphor. Wait, he doesn’t walk. He’s a hacking metaphor. He’s everything that led us down the dark post-Bonds days, and he’s everything that’s keeping this fantastic pitching staff out of the playoffs. Not him personally, of course, but as a representation of the flawed organizational approach to roster construction. He’s still a worthwhile player. His defense isn’t as bad as a lot folks make it out to be; I’d dare say it’s quite good most of the time. And his bat plays at catcher. He’s right in the middle of the pack of catchers.

But he’s not a cleanup hitter. He’s not an offensive centerpiece. Heck, he’s not even someone who can contribute to a lineup other than the occasional home run, but even that limited value is almost completely negated by his penchant for making outs. And now there’s a golden boy in the wings, and it’s really easy to poke at Molina.

What Buster Posey represents:

  • An organizational commitment to the draft, including a willingness to draft the best player available, regardless of bonus demands
  • The possibility of an honest-to-goodness high on-base percentage hitter
  • An organizational commitment to building through the farm system, which is cost-effective and a way to put the team in a position to overpay for last-piece-of-the-puzzle-type free agents. It’ll be a lot easier to justify overpaying for, oh, Prince Fielder next year if the rest of the infield is homegrown and far away from free agency

So maybe it was a little goofy to think that Posey would get a lot of at-bats under Bochy. It was a little premature to think that a rookie catcher could/should just jump into a playoff race and replace the cleanup hitter and caddy to the league-best pitching staff. But this is why we’re anxious. This is why folks are starting to grumble about Molina being overly sensitive, or why people are counting the days until Molina’s not on the team.

He’s been a good Giant. He’s lived up to his contract, and then some. I'm sure every member of the pitching staff that's kept us in contention this year will tell you that Molina's been a huge part of the success. I’ll have fond memories of a lot of Molina moments. He’s just the old way of doing things. Now that the Giants are (almost) out of the playoff race because of the old way, it’s only natural to look forward to the new way with an almost irrational exuberance.

Thanks for having been a good Giant, Bengie. The past tense used in that last sentence, though, is entirely necessary.

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STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Sep 22, 2009 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Clicking that FanGraphs’ link really made me want Joe Mauer.

unf.

by xanthan on Sep 22, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He is pretty good looking.

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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It took the Fan Graphs link to trigger that ? You’re slippin’ Chris.

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by nvsfg on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I want to see a fat Posey on this bike!

by xanthan on Sep 22, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You want Posey to have weight concerns?!?!?!

by deuce deuce on Sep 22, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can be like Bengie and not let it concern him a bit.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for having been a good Giant.

That would be in the past tense, I think.

by hokysmksbw on Sep 22, 2009 1:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for having had been were being a good Giant.

Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).

by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can only distinguish the Past Perfect in Ancient Greek. Seriously

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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!

by Useful_Idiot on Sep 22, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean that Ancient Greek is the only language in which you can distinguish the past perfect, or that the past perfect is the only tense that you can distinguish in Ancient Greek?

Either way, I think it belies both halves of your screen name.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The former. On a test, I could tell you if a greek verb was in the past perfect, but I’m not sure what that looks like in English

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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!

by Useful_Idiot on Sep 22, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To get past tense

Needs a rewrite:

Thanks, Bengie. You were a good Giant.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ease up, everyone. It’s not like I have an English degree. Cut me some slack.

by Grant on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(…see, the joke is that I have an English degree…)

by Grant on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or is the English degree the joke? BA-ZING!!

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:(

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ENGLISH MAJORS OF MCC UNITE

And smite Natto.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say "and take over"

But, well, Grant’s already in charge.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOOO

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOOO

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question to you English majors

Why does “whoo” have an “h”? How did a fake word get a silent letter?

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

whoooooo knows?

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you spell cooky with a y instead of ie?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be honest

I don’t remember why I did it, which makes me think that that’s just how I thought cookie is spelled.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:D

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which it technically is, just not in the middle of a word. So it’s only half dumb.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give up.

Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.

by victor frankenstein on Sep 22, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t you used to spell it with 3 o’s or 2 k’s or something?

by Evan on Sep 22, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You might be thinking of Moggeee.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, Cookyman used to spell his name differently.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOU’RE WRONG! I’M RIGHT! I AM SO BANNING YOU RIGHT NOW!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe because ‘woo’ is already a word?

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess. Still kinda weird.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I have a degree in Fine Art.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How fine?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Natto once showed me how fine by holding his hands out as far as he could.

Then he got confused about whether or not I mean “fine” as in “okay” or “fine” as in “very thin” and started holding his thumb and index finger really close together. And then he got confused again and tried to do both at the same time. And then I just left because, really, it was pretty sad.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahahhaaahahahh

i’m actually laughing out loud here in my cubicle

by wizard5ive on Sep 22, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FArt?

I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

by GiantPain on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too. (I always wanted to say that on the Internet.)

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, sticking to the Internet as a proper noun rule. Admirable, sort of.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ENGLISH MAJORS OF MCC UNITE

and make pedantic corrections to spelling and usage

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pedantry is highly underrated.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

something something WalrusMan?

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol great minds

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Thanks to roger
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by bondslegend on Sep 22, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn’t it be better to say “…unite IN ORDER TO make pedantic corrections…?”

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you win!

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tricked you!

I was never an English major.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just graphed your sentence and couldn’t find the subject.

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by cornball on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Find the subject?

It’s next to the swagger.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I just want to read The Sun Also Rises and talk about the lolgay between all the dudes.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

omg iawtc

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homoeroticism in Hemingway? Nah!

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cohn was totally gay for Romero. Cohn attacked Romero out of sexual frustration; he wanted to be the one to make sexy time with Romero.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Jake and Bill were doin’ it. Or wanted to.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s please discuss the fishing scene. All this bullfighting bores me.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You, my friend, do not have aficion.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's to discuss?

The whole fishing scene was unambiguously gay. Didn’t Bill say something like, “I would have told you I loved you before, but it’d mean I was a faggot.” (That’s me paraphrasing, but I’m pretty damn sure he dropped an f-bomb.) Besides, Jakes was essentially emasculated, so it’s too easy (and barely worth it to mention) that he was at least latently homosexual.

Romero is a total gay icon—even though he wasn’t gay—because he was a hawt 19yo bullfighter. I don’t want to stereotype homosexuals and say that they all glorify/venerate youth, but Romero gave off that James Dean vibe.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really need to read it again before I get into this discussion. I would have read it pretty recently, but I was too busy pedantically correcting style and usage around these parts.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but that quiet repression is so much more appealing than Cohn’s…

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you think he meant by “The Sun ALSO Rises”…I mean, cmon..

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Sep 22, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find everything about Jake endearing, so I can see what you’re saying.

I actually never thought of Romero as any sort of gay icon before I wrote that first post. I freely admit that that is and was horseshit. I always assumed that Romero was supposed to be a man’s man against whom other characters (i.e. Cohn) measured their own virility. I honestly don’t think it runs any deeper than that.

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I think the whole idea of a bullfighter is pretty symbolically gay, so I wouldn’t say that you’re so far off the mark here. Also, the Brett Ashley character is pretty seriously masculinized throughout the book, so her relationship with Romero plays right into it on a between-the-lines reading. There’s something there for sure – might as well roll with it.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can I just say I feel like I’m watching the Algonquin Roundtable over here? I love it.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved reading Hemingway in middle school. I was like wow do they know there’s a ton of homoerotic shit going on in here, even as a seventh grader.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was smitten with Natto a long time ago.

Wait a minute!

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by cornball on Sep 22, 2009 2:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Where my Biology Degree peeps at?

I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED

by ringleader3 on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

CIS 4 LIFE

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

… and journalism majors, represent! You’d think a site full of media commentator-types would be full of journalism majors!

… Anyone?

Bueller?

Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)

by tk on Sep 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They still give degrees in that?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If by “still” you mean ten years ago …

Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)

by tk on Sep 22, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do journalism minors count?

I often just say I’m doing polisci as my major, because nobody knows what global studies is. I’m going for an IR sort of concentration anyway, so it’s all the same to me.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooh! Over here! Finally, they get to the good degrees!

by TheLetter2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mauer and journalism

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And my minor was poli sci. Together, we’re unstoppable.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ACTIVATE

My polisci prof is trying to pry me away from the GLST major and I said no way Jose. GLST is pretty cool, and I get priority for applying for study abroad programs.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very cool. Of all my poli sci classes, the international relations ones seemed to be the most engaging and informative. The professor was outstanding, and I’m sure that went a long way toward my affinity for the field.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Sheepishly raises hand.)

by Dan from NM on Sep 22, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

REPRESENT

Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.

by dcp on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you do with a BA in English?

If you’re like me, you read Grant’s post and immediate search the comments to find out if someone had pointed out “past perfect”. Four comments in. Beautiful.

by David Arnott on Sep 22, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We appreciate dedication to the joke but banning taliesin was a bit overboard.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven’t your heard? Our mods go crazy and ban people left and right.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hasn’t his heard what?

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DAMMIT

Cookyman always catches my typos.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things in the English language that don't make much sense

1) The spelling of “dammit.”

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

As far as Merriam-Webster is concerned, dammit isn’t an official word.

“Damn it” would be the correct way to spell it.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

American Heritage has it.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis

by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really miss my OED subscription sometimes.

Is there any etymology provided in the AH entry to account for the spelling?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

Checking: Random House says its originates from 1905-1910 and says “Eye Dialect”:

Eye dialect is the deliberate use of non-standard spelling to draw attention to pronunciation

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wut?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But not really.

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

outnumbered!

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s somewhat interesting.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am certainly interested.

Joe Martinez: You are cool.
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by cornball on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Not really

El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."

by ResDog on Sep 22, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuh-huh!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s a dilemna, for sure

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

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by greatgiantfan on Sep 22, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gonna is not a weird either

I take many more liberties writing dialogue than narrative. My characters say “gonna” and “dammit” quite a bit.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a word if you recognize it as one.

Communication is the goal. Function over form.

 - ahem -

Function takes precedence ( or is valued as taking precedence) in attaining the perceived result.

“I give up”

classless narcissist (an’ unedjoocatid 2 boot) out…

Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.

by victor frankenstein on Sep 22, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I typed “weird” for “word.” LOL me.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was wondering about that, but I’m tired so I figured I’d missed something somewhere.

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drastically bad typos FTL!

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Claim sarchasm.

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

 I was banned? Aw, crap.

/kicks dirt dejectedly

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't feel bad.

I was banned three times just in the last week. Turns out Howtheyscored has skin that makes Bengie Molina look like a rhino.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

GOD DAMMIT WILL YOU GET OFF MY BACK!

MY SKIN IS BEAUTIFUL! YOU’RE SO FUCKING BANNED!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS?

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe your next post should be

“Appreciating Grant” or “the Smells and Sounds of Grant”

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FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA

by kennv on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One in the same!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And do any of your professors know what you’re squandering it on using it for?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sat behind Bengie’s wife and new babby the other night at the game. It certainly wasn’t hard to root for him that game. My buddy who I was at the game with had to remind me to not make any Posey comments though.

If Bochy really is refusing to play Posey out of loyalty to Bengie then he’s doing Bengie a disservice. It’s hard to remember that Bengie has been a good Giant sometimes and that’s a shame.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Sep 22, 2009 1:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not really

The pitcher would rarely be able to bunt him over.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm starting to wonder if this matters

he could have been thrown out at 2B last night advancing on a single; I’m starting to wonder if grouping the two outs at the end of the lineup might not be so bad.

Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."

Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!

by natteringnabob on Sep 22, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he’s got enough power that he’d be a good fit for the 6th spot if the team had, you know, a few high OBP players to fit from 1-5.

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe in the American League. Not in the National League though.

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 22, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

iawtpost

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I could do a week-long series about what would happen if this site made sounds, but I digress.

I smell off-season material.

by deuce deuce on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Next week

Smells

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sight is already covered

so taste?

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and then feels

winter meeting cuddle party?

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I could do a week-long series about what would happen if this site made sounds

unf unf unf unf

Also,

This is why folks are starting to grumble about Molina being overly sensitive

The reason we are grumbling about Bengie being oversensitive is because he is oversensitive.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 1:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oversensitive Bengie is oversensitive!

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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).

by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thin skin is thin.

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’ll just ignore the concept that Benard would probably one of the best options to hit in the middle of this lineup.

Marvin Benard is the ultimate, twisted example of the saying “absence makes the heart grow fonder.”

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"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy

by Kitspool on Sep 22, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I have felt alone on “Bengie Respect Island”. I get as incensed as the next guy with some of his AB’s, his seemingly sensitive ego, his ball blocking, etc., but I recognize that he is a good pro who cares about winning. That being said I want Buster to play every inning at catcher for the next 21 years, starting at 6:40 tonight!

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by NuschlerFace on Sep 22, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bengie: Sensitive. Like a little girl.

Oversensitive is exactly right. The guy has an extremely thin skin. Remember that only a few weeks ago, he hinted that he wasn’t playing through discomfort because it was his free agent year. The implication, of course, was that if the Giants weren’t showing him love, he wouldn’t play through any pain and risk injury that could decrease his value the following year. Way to take one for the team – you’re under contract!

He reacts poorly to everything. Is this really the guy we want to “mentor” Buster Posey? He’ll give the guy a complex and freeze him out, Brett Favre-style.

Chris Brown - Yes, he did miss a game with a strained eyelash.

by TrevorWilsonGrin on Sep 22, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not how I remember it.

Do you have an article to link to or something?

by hokysmksbw on Sep 22, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was in the Chronicle in the game report

It was within a day or two before he hit that pinch hit home run. It was the basis for him claiming that Posey was brought up to light a fire under him.

My memory could be faulty, though.

Chris Brown - Yes, he did miss a game with a strained eyelash.

by TrevorWilsonGrin on Sep 22, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is one link http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=46719

Molina’s statement is not in there, but the description of management’s response to his unwillingness to play is in there. It was in response to his comments on free agency.

Chris Brown - Yes, he did miss a game with a strained eyelash.

by TrevorWilsonGrin on Sep 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Article seems to dispute your allegation he's saving himself for Free Agency
Molina plans to start tomorrow night’s series finale in Philadelphia. Before you get the notion that Molina made that decision because Posey was here, know that Molina told us of his plans to start Thursday’s game last night.

Molina was rather subdued when we talked to him today. Asked if he thought the Giants were sending him a message by promoting Posey, Molina said, "You know what? Probably. This is baseball. One thing I can tell you, this is a business. This might mean I’m not coming back next year. I’m ready for everything. Whatever they want to do.

“The only thing I can say is I still have my chin up. I’ve always done a lot for this club. I’ve helped many guys. I’ve held my ground. I don’t have anything to be ashamed of. If they don’t bring me back, you have to move on.

“Regarding a message, who knows? If that’s what they’re trying to do, sending a message, I don’t think that’s the way to send a message. If they are, who knows? We’ll see.”

In last night’s 1-0 loss, Pablo Sandoval batted for Eli Whiteside. Molina then pinch-hit for pitcher Brandon Medders. Had the Giants tied the game or gone ahead, it was unclear who would have caught the bottom of the ninth, Molina or Ryan Garko. Molina has said he wants the quad to be healed before he catches again lest he injure it worse and misses even more time.

by hokysmksbw on Sep 22, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Callis not happy...
Giants Waste Posey’s Talent

The Giants rank 26th in the major league in scoring. They also have the game’s best catching prospect in Posey, who hit .325/.416/.531 in his first full pro season, including a .375 average and five homers in Triple-A in August.

Though it’s blatantly obvious, they don’t seem to realize that Posey could bolster their lineup as they fight the Rockies for the National League wild card.

San Francisco promoted Posey on Sept. 2 and, not coincidentally, Molina pronounced himself well enough to start again the following day. The Giants and manager Bruce Bochy are inexplicably content to let that be Posey’s only impact, as they gave him one at-bat in his first 15 days in the big leagues. San Francisco lost 21/2 games to Colorado in the standings while failing to take advantage of Posey’s talents, scoring more than four runs just four times in 14 games.

Setting up some sort of offensive/defensive platoon with Molina and Posey would be understandable, because Molina offers more behind the plate and some power (if not on-base ability). But continuing to use Eli Whiteside as the backup while letting Posey rot on the bench is unfathomable.

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FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Posey would not be post-season eligible.

Unless…this Freddy Sanchez thing is divine intervention.

by hokysmksbw on Sep 22, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn’t we be able to manipulate injury stuff to make him eligible?

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea. The Giants have a few more players they could move to the 60-day DL to make Posey eligible for the postseason, I believe.

by deuce deuce on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Move Rent to the DL, Gerald starting at SS, LOL

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by nvsfg on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

26th?

That’s better than I thought we’d be.

GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When fans boo players or curse them out, it is almost always an editorial comment on the decision by the front office or manager to put the player in the position he’s in.

Either way you’re telling them that they suck. This statment isn’t going to make a player feel better about the booing.

“Oh they aren’t mad at you. They’re mad at the people who hired a shitty player like you to do a job you could never possible accomplish. Because you suck, you see.”

In conclusion, I wish our players were less shitty.

by chilibean_3 on Sep 22, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bingo

if they don’t like it, PLAY BETTER. It worked for Zito!

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by bondslegend on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Canyon Throwing!

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shiny shoe admiring!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guitar playing!

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twittering!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deleting Twitterings!

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prop plane crashing

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Llama breeding!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREE BUSTER!

*while supplies last

Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard

by SoFa King Mike on Sep 22, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

void where prohibited

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No purchase necessary

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Buster

Contains materials known by the state of Califonia to cause legitimate cleanup hitters and opportunities to shine at the Big League Levels. BORK will not be held responsible for a presense or lack thereof for any of these symptoms.

Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.

by Bballpitcher2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, I believe the correct spelling is “presents”

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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!

by Useful_Idiot on Sep 22, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh. It’s “presidents”.
Or “prescience”.

by younghutch on Sep 22, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see your fangraphs link, and counter with my own. Considering Fangraphs doesn’t do defense for C’s, and positional adjustments and replacement level are PT related stats (that is, any C with Bengie’s PT would have the same productivity in those categories), all we’re left with is batting. Bengie Molina is 29th of 43 C’s with 200+ PA’s in wOBA.

Or this, where he’s 36th best of the 43 qualified C’s. Basically, he’s only middle of the pack because he’s gotten more PT than most of the pack…

Clicking that FanGraphs’ link really made me want Joe Mauer.

Imagine a world where instead of taking AJ Pierzynski, Brian Sabean demanded Joe Mauer and gave up whatever it took to get the Twins to make that trade. Such a happy thought….sigh, if only it were true.

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said, Grant

I don’t hate Bengie, I hate the fact that he’s still playing while Posey rotts on the bench.

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 22, 2009 1:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m starting to hate Bengie a little bit. Not directly because of performance issues. But because of his attitude and his whining. And that game where he let a couple balls go by and didn’t seem to handle the pitcher well didn’t help. It’s like he’s given up.

It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).

by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m in the Bengie hater category. But I don’t think he gives up. I do think he wears out. So, the refusal to use Posey every few games makes even less sense.

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FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA

by kennv on Sep 22, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just think they are able to justify it somehow.

I honestly think their justification for Molina is that, as a cleanup hitter, you’re relying on him to drive in runs, not “get on base.” I can almost guarantee you, the thinking is that the #5 hitter is less likely to get a big hit than Bengie is (avg. even be damned), so him walking doesn’t really help the team score runs.

In a sense, they’re kind of right, but that’s a testament to how badly management has constructed this roster. Less about the type of impact Bengie has on this team.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Molina -Santiago comparison

Bengie Molina reminds me of (Lazy Benny )Benito Santiago. Both were slow catchers past their prime who often batted at key junctures in the lineup and were more noted for their hitting into DP’s than anyother place in the field (aside from the whiffs at the plate)

Grant-Like you said, I am not blaming both of them per se for being in that position, but I do blame both of them for not recognizing that their talents were declining…

Bengie should be happy he has a job. He shouldn’t be complaining about playing time….He should just take the situation like a man….For him to realistacally expect a multi year deal is just plain sad….

"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading

by Mordy From Monsey on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We need to get Bengie Balco’s contact info…

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s funny, I remember Santiago pretty fondly compared to Molina, but their stats as Giants are really very close (Santiago: .273/.313/.414, 51 GIDPs; Molina: .277/.302/.436, 50 GIDPs).

I think Santiago gets the edge for a couple of reasons: one, because he never had to hit cleanup; and also because he had his worst season as a Giant in his first year here, and left on a relatively high note, while Molina is having his worst season in (what I hope is) his last year here.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

Santiago had many more opportunities to bat into double plays than Bengie, with a guy with like a 3.000 OBP and no knees batting in front of him.

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FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA

by kennv on Sep 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong, But I remember Santiago batting cleanup plenty of times when Bonds wasn’t in the lineup….His 6-4-3 DP’s were ass predictable as Molina swinging at a ball low and away

"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading

by Mordy From Monsey on Sep 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Benito Santiago started at cleanup exactly 11 times as a Giant.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really that many

A couple times each in 2001 & 2002. Nine times in 2003. Mostly he split time between the 5 and 6 holes.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's my birthday

should I ask my wife for a shot at her 6 hole?

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If she’s wearing her thong in her hair, you’re in!

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.

She probably has a regular earplug she can use instead.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he hit that homerun once, I and will always think of him fondly for that.

"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs

by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Santiago

Did you know he came up in 87 as this hot shot rookie catcher? Well did you happen to check out the veteran catcher whose career he so cunningly smashed??!?!

You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.

by SeeingStars on Sep 22, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buster Posey caught in a time rift?

Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).

by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Bochy’s intense hatred of amazing rookie catchers began 22 years ago. It’s so obvious.

You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.

by SeeingStars on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knows this. Hint: San Diego.

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bochy was really Terry Kennedy’s backup, but I see where you’re going with this.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis

by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way

Terry Kennedy: pretty good catcher for the Giants.

Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis

by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Circa 2006:

Why is Eric Young still on this team? This isn’t about character or veteran establishment. It’s about performance. What production has Eric Young given this team? Or, how much better will Ben Johnson produce over Eric Young? Just because Young is a RH doesn’t mean he should get all the starts against LHP’s. Roberts earlier publicly spoke that he should be getting more starts vs left handers. Roberts is absolutely correct, based on his performance. Roberts has done everything to justify his opinion while Young has done nothing to justify being on a big league roster over Ben Johnson.

Also, why is Castilla batting in front of Barfield? I thought the strategy was to bat your better hitters as many times as possible to score more runs. Barfield should be batting 7th and perhaps leadoff against LHPs (or 2nd).

Those are two of Bochys politics issues that are most irritating. Forgive me, but I can’t help to think back to 1987, when the rookie Benito Santiago started 145 games at catcher while the veteran Bochy who was 10 years older started 15 and hardly recieved any playing time in the 2nd half and retired the next season.

Bochy is doing a great job on the field as a manager. If he gets rid of this complex he has favoring fading veterans, he would perform even better than this.

http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=62870

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

esseffgeez

post of the day Hilarious

by NateEveryday on Sep 22, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Called it.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT: Villalona

Possible Update? this is gleaned from the profound wastebasket known as ESPN.com comments—>

~Just in to our int’l news tip line at ESPN.com, legal counsel for Villalona to speak later today. He is quoted as saying initially, "We have serious and compelling evidence to clear Mr. Villalona of these absurd charges… He was simply a young man in the wrong place at the wrong time."

~Stay tuned for updates

Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill’s waterpipe on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he’s really innocent, I feel so horrible for him. He looked terrified in those pictures.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would be too

being charged with murder would scare the shit out of me

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What pictures?

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Sep 22, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There were some pictures posted of him being led into the Courthouse (?) with a bullet-proof vest on.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any idea where I could find them? I don’t see them in the official link thread.

Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...

by rotorueter on Sep 22, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s one on the Giants’ AP photo wire on their espn.com page

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by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yahoo! Sports

Don’t know if those were the ones she was referring to.

by deuce deuce on Sep 22, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They were kind of posted all over the place, I know there were some in the GDT.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d be scared to be in any situation in which the authorities thought I needed a bullet proof vest

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by Useful_Idiot on Sep 22, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This may go without saying, I’m not sure.

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does being tried for murder

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by Useful_Idiot on Sep 22, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope he’s innocent.

Poor guy if this is for real.

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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please be true.

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by NuschlerFace on Sep 22, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please be true

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, that’s looking like the best strategy for him. It might even work.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

glimmer of hope

but I think all defense lawyers say that

Bonds stands alone.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 22, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But what about arbitration?

I’ve really not liked the tone of MCC when it’s come to Molina, but leave that alone for now.

Molina (as of July – I’m sure someone can update this) was a Type-A free agent.

I would argue it makes an awful lot of sense to offer him arbitration, since:

1. I don’t believe he’ll accept, since he wants a multi year deal and there are teams that could fit him in quite nicely. Not that I particularly respect Kevin Kennedy, but on his chat show he did have a point with Molina being a very good fit for the Rays, for instance. Extra first rounder.

2. If he does accept, it gives breathing room for Posey; if Posey plays well, Molina can be a deadline trade.

Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!

by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The trouble is that if he does accept, what are the chances of the team actually trading him once Posey is ready? And what are the chances of Molina being okay with transitioning to a backup role? Perhaps that would discourage him from accepting, if he knew that was going to be the situation, but if he can’t actually find a fit, we could end up with an annoying malcontent by July.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(an annoying EXPENSIVE malcontent, I should say.)

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if Bochy is manager and Molina is on the roster, we know how that plays out.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by GiantPain on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I’m sure he’d hate being pushed to a backup role and quietly (and perhaps loudly) steam – and it’s why I think there’s only a small chance he’d accept.

But I also think if he did accept he’s enough of a pro that he’d play through it (since he knows exactly what’s coming) and on a one-year deal would certainly bring something back at the deadline if it came to that.

The two questions are what would it cost, and what is the likelihood Bochy sits Molina for Posey? I think the former isn’t that much of a concern; it’s only the latter that would particularly worry me. The risk of that versus getting a sandwich pick and/or deadline deal prospects to me strikes me as a fairly decent risk/reward.

Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!

by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve really not liked the tone of MCC when it’s come to Molina, but leave that alone for now.

I’m assuming you mean the comments section and not the front page, ‘cause I felt the same way, and that’s what prompted this post.

by Grant on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, like you care about us…….

/jokingly punches Grants arm

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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Sep 22, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re such a shameless flirt.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would totally hit that

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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Sep 22, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/punches Grant in the ovaries

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like the tone of your average fan is more disturbing than Mcc’s. Often times the extreme nerdists takes are reactions to the values of Joe Fanbase (Love Bengie, Hate Fred Lewis)… Most Giants fans are like “Bengie’s the man! How quickly you forget!” and I think it is the more examining fans job to hammer a little reality into that fantasy. Hence, the unpleasent vitriol for Bengie.
It’s the mainstream thinking re: Molina, not Bengie himself, that elicits it. Like you said… Just wanted to chime in on the tone dealy.

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by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the shit Fred gets from mainstream fans is greater than the shit Bengie gets from us. It seems like every single time I’ve been part of or overheard a conversation by Giants fans off the internet in the past month, it’s included some mention of how horrible Fred Lewis is. This a guy who has one start in the past 28 days and only 17 PA.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WARNING

IMMINENT FRED LEWIS DISCUSSION

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was a really underrated part of the 1885 St. Louis Maroons.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what a maroon

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shut up, moorans.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Moran Norris

Lays Hat

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

124 career OPS+ bitches!

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of OPS+ of times past

re: when were talking about 1986 Will Clark vs. 2009 Pablo Sandoval at McCovey’s: aside from having much better raw stats, Sandoval has 16 points of OPS+ on Clark’s season.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

YEAH PANDA

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RUN!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster

by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL FRED

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LOL FRED

by ringleader3 on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wanna talk about Howry some more

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Howry doin’ out here, folks?”

That probably wasn’t what you meant.

by TheLetter2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, although I’d say that some of the previous front page articles before this one have been kinda harsh too.

Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!

by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants’ front office publicly painting Molina as a lazy malingerer in the heat of a pennant race is far more shocking and offensive than anything that has appeared on here.

by Evan on Sep 22, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Benard thing is interesting – it gets me thinking in a different direction, though.

Molina sort of reminds me of a new Marvin Benard or Livan Hernandez. The end (if this is the end) of his Giants tenure has just been so maddening and god-awful that it’s hard to remember he was once a solid contributor. Sort of like Livan in the imaginary World Series or Benard in 2003.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rich Aurilia being the most extreme example of this phenomenon, of course.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what’s funny about Aurilia. He’s the one old player who’s skills where diminishing, that the Giants didn’t give a huge contract to. And look what happened to him when he went to Seattle. He didn’t even last a year.

I still believe in Ryan Garko...........

by 49er16 on Sep 22, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Omar Vizquel was kinda the same way with me. He was a really nice surprise in his first couple of years with the Giants, but his last season and the .222/.283/.267 slash-line that came with it was hard to watch.

by xanthan on Sep 22, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Going back to the 90s, Robby Thompson was probably the same way for a lot of fans, too. I liked him enough that his decline just made me sad, though, rather than cranky.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

getting blasted in the face by Trevor Hoffman was his undoing; kinda ironic considering what he throws now

well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan

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by greatgiantfan on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

take this to the Rowand talk up thread

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was with you until

And his bat plays at catcher. He’s right in the middle of the pack of catchers.

No. Just no.

Also, VORP needs to go away. It drastically undervalues walks and overvalues playing time (which explains why it thinks so highly of Molina). It’s also “secret” and complicated and doesn’t serve any value.

of 26 catchers with at least 300 PA’s, Molina is 20th in wOBA. The guy who’s 24th is only 5 runs worse than Molina. So factoring baserunning and double plays pushes Molina at least 5 spots down (he’s pretty much the worst in the majors in both). That’s 25th best. Add Ronny Paulino, David Ross, Nick Hundley, Gregg Zaun, and Ramon Castro, all of whom didn’t get 300 PA’s this year, but are better hitters than Molina, and what do you get? Bengie Molina is 30th best offensive catcher in the majors. At best.

Bengie Molina is 30th best offensive catcher in the majors. That is nowhere near decent or middle of the pack. It’s not acceptable. Bengie Molina should not be starting for an MLB team.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Cookyman doesn’t seem too happy today. He seems to have got some RAGE on him, in fact.

Seriously, though, I’ve made this same point periodically. Bengie Molina is a bad hitter, and he isn’t even “good for a catcher.” He’s just bad.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m still not sure who those guys are.

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:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t matter, many of them are dead.

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by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BANNY MOTHANS

I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

by GiantPain on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOTHANS BEING BOTHANS

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean dead?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dead, bad spies, in bed with Mon Mothma…whatever.

Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).

by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mon Mothma used to take on like 4 or 5 Bothans at a time.

There would be a huge line of Bothans around the rebel base just waiting for their turn.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could have just agreed with my comment earlier…

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t see it.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I figured. Everyone’s responding to your comment and mine got ignored even though I posted it first. :(

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess we were

MISSING Missing Barry…. AHAHAHA

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe you were just….Barry?

(I felt I should follow up one bad joke with another, oh well)

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s just because I’m so much cooler than you.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should have used more gratuitous smiley faces.

by Evan on Sep 22, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s because my smiley lacks the nose.

by Missing Barry on Sep 22, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:-(

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Sep 22, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I basically agree with you,

You ripped VORP as basically being unscientific and then created a completely unscientific ranking of catchers yourself :P

I think the Giants line of thinking is that they need a slugger in the cleanup spot, even if it’s not a good overall hitter. Molina ranks 10th in catcher slugging in MLB with 300 PA.

Of course, he’s 4th in slugging on the team with the same criteria.

Nobody likes money

by fwoty oz on Sep 22, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t rip VORP for being unscientific, just for not being good enough at evaluating players.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uhh...

…given that there are 30 major league teams, the 30th best catcher would still be someone who should be starting for a major league team.

And furthermore: Ramon Castro?!?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OBP 6 points lower than Bengie. wheeee.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it’s 19 points higher than Bengie.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I was just looking at his stats with the White Sox. Forgot he was a Met earlier this year.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he’s really not as bad as people think. Still bad, though.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking Posey.

And yes, Ramon Castro.

HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?

:-) :-) :-)

by Cookyman on Sep 22, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Molina is also my adopted son

and I will love him til the end!

That said… I hope this is the end.

Nobody likes money

by fwoty oz on Sep 22, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL parent ready to pull the plug!

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by scout6 on Sep 22, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/fwoty rings doorbell at firestation and runs leaving Bengie at the doorstep.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

arent you supposed to light the bag on fire first?

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

cut the cord!

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 22, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also, re: anti-Molina RAGE

I think we’d be less rageful if Bochy just did what he says he wants to do with Posey: give him playing time when the game’s not close. Or semi-regular pinch hits. Or at least play Posey when Molina has the day off: while people can and do make arguments that Molina is a better option than Posey because of gritty vetness or RBIs or whatever, I really don’t think there’s any argument that Whiteside is a better option. Maybe Whiteside is better defensively, but from everything we’ve heard about Posey’s defense, I doubt it’s a big difference if it exists. And in no possible world is Whiteside ever going to be a better hitter than Posey. And experience? Okay, Whiteside’s pretty old, but before this year he had played, what, like 12 MLB games? Yeah.

If Posey got to play occasionally, I would be disappointed that he wasn’t playing MORE, but I wouldn’t be bashing my head into the table at the sheer incomprehensibility of it all. And thus, my irritation with Molina is increased umpteen-fold.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel this rage.

co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA

by kennv on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is precisely the rage I was looking for.

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by nvsfg on Sep 22, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is not the rage you are looking for.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Later that Night:

/head in hands, glass of Jack by my side

“That WAS the rage I was looking for!”

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

before this year, Eli had 12 total PAs, all in 2005

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

now write one for aurilia

Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.

by Bballpitcher2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rich Aurilia has had 6 plate appearances in September. There isn’t really that much to complain about there.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well aware, just thought i’d put my little “richie WAS a great giant” comment in

Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.

by Bballpitcher2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IS a great giant

/having a hard time keeping up this charade

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I got from this article

POSEY 4 FIELDER

I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

by GiantPain on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

woops

Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.

by Bballpitcher2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s a little overweight, and I wish he would have tried harder to stay in shape. He’s getting paid millions of dollars to be an athlete.

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by ResDog on Sep 22, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We’re not selling jeans.

Also, I don’t think that’s the origin of the hate. Paging Pablo Sandoval.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can forgive Bengie for his offensive drop. At this point in his career, it was almost expected. It’s not his fault he’s hitting fourth. It’s not his fault he gets the majority of the starts. It’s not his fault Eli Whiteside is the primary backup over Buster Posey.

But his weight is the one thing that’s always bugged me. I look at it as a poor work-ethic. He’s obviously not doing everything he can to make himself a better player. It doesn’t always correlate to being a better player, but the ability to take an extra base or beat out a few extra double plays would have been nice. It upsets me that Pablo is out of shape too. I’m glad to hear he’s doing something about it this offseason.

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"Nothing important ever happened without me."

by ResDog on Sep 22, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Pablo's working pretty hard to lose a few...

I remember earlier in the season reading an article about him spending a couple hours after each game on stationary bikes n such in the clubhouse

Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.

by Bballpitcher2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But at the same time...

After 6 month season, if he was really with it he could have lost a lot by now

Buster Posey shot my dog.
I thanked him.

by Bballpitcher2 on Sep 22, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He seems bigger to me.

El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."

by ResDog on Sep 22, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He seems visibly bigger to me, too.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

TWSS?

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

She’s probably said that once or twice.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG IM STILL MORNING THE FACT I HAVE A SMALL WEINER UR %!!!!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s not that it’s small per sé. It’s just that it could stand to be bigger, per sé.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure there’s no accent in “per se”, at least not per se.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I don’t think there is. But I kind of feel like it’s an assy phrase to use anyway, so I gussied it up before overusing it like an ass.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Assy with a “y” instead of an “ie”?

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I figured that was the classyer way to spell it.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randie Winn just doesn’t have the right look to it.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of people seem to feel the same way about Bengie Molina.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This thread has now come full circle.
Next topic…

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lasorda’s portrait at the Smithsonian!

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs more Phanatic.

"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW

by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The painting needs a caption that says, “God I love lasagna!”

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girthy. And not in a good way.

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw this on Situation Room today and immediately felt ill.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bengy?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you really wanted to be classy you’d say “assesque”.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

…before overusing it like an ass."

hee hee

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by Goofus on Sep 23, 2009 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me a better way to use an ass, and I’ll tell you, “sorry, but you’re wrong.”

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOBODY CALLS ME A PERCENT SIGN AND GETS AWAY WITH IT!!

PISTOLS AT DOWN IN FRONT OF MAYS FIELD!

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eight o’clock. I do my killin’ after breakfast.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

15 PACES

NUMBSKULL

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

Well said. Now that my rage has been neatly articulated, I can work on not hating sports players/managers. Such a silly thing to hate.

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FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA

by kennv on Sep 22, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bengie Molina is a slow zombie.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

INTERNET SITE LINKS BENGIE MOLINA TO TURTLE LIKING

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Oh Little Jonathan…

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FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FETCH ME THEIR SOULS!

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by rhys on Sep 22, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What sucks is that the Giants may need Molina next year, because we have no clue how Posey is going to be hitting in the Majors, and he’s not experienced with the staff either. Molina’s ability to call a game is what got the Giants in contention in the first place. I think it would be wise of the Giants to sign Molina to a 2 year extension and play Posey either at 1st, 3rd or LF, and part-time at catcher.

I think Molina’s best role is hitting 8th on a good hitting team. His “hack-attach” isn’t as noticeable when you have a pitcher hitting behind you, and in that instance, you really don’t want to take a walk and leave it up to the pitcher.. if the Giants aren’t going to find a true cleanup hitter, and are going to rely on Molina again, well, then that’s just stupidity. If they have Posey playing full time, he still hasn’t developed any power, as many people don’t even see him as a power hitting player, so they will definitely need another big bat.

I could see a potent lineup with Posey, Sandoval, Molina and a Prince Fielder type of hitter… but again, Molina would be good as an 8th spot hitter.

by aBulldog on Sep 22, 2009 3:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

we have no clue how Posey is going to be hitting in the Majors, and he’s not experienced with the staff either. Molina’s ability to call a game is what got the Giants in contention in the first place. I think it would be wise of the Giants to sign Molina to a 2 year extension and play Posey either at 1st, 3rd or LF, and part-time at catcher.

No offense (seriously), but reading this makes me want to bang my head against the wall repeatedly.

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But no offense is exactly the problem that Posey would be helping us solve.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t want Molina at 8th. The pitcher would never be able to bunt him over. I mean, that’s assuming Molina could get on base….

"El once, chico. Eleven."

by Juan Primo on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

IDWTC

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a clue how Posey's going to hit:

better than Molina will.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prince Fielder type of hitter!

by ryanmiles on Sep 22, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NONONONONONONONO

A month and a half with the pitchers in Spring Training should be all the time Buster needs to get familiar with them.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Molina’s ability to call a game is what got the Giants in contention in the first place.

This is not true.

WHY IS BOCOCK?!

by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know they would totally suck without him. As witnesed by the fact that, for example, he caught the first Giants no hitter in 33 years.

Oh wait. Whiteside’s ability to call a game is what got the Giants into contention in the first place!

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by kdl on Sep 22, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And also, I’m pretty sure that even Andres Torres could sit there and call fastballs all night. Just sayin’.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

The ability to call a game is slightly overrated. Or, as has been said a million times, Buster’s potential offensive numbers would far outweigh any trouble he had calling games (of which there is no evidence, anyway).

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by kdl on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say it is more than slightly over rated, actually.

It helps if there is a good relationship between pitcher and catcher, especially so the pitcher stays calm. But the actual selection of pitches? That can be done by the pitcher, the catcher, the bench, as dictated by experience and skill.

And even then, it’s still reliant on the pitcher making good pitches.

Over rated at best. Not a real skill seems more likely

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think that one of the more important aspects is maintaining a good rhythm for the pitcher and providing any necessary breaks when the pitcher looks like he needs a minute. So yeah, working well with the staff is an important aspect.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that the season is basically over, it could be a good time for Buster to start getting familiar with Cain, Lincecum, Sanchez, Zito, etc. (I know, I know, we’re in this thing.)

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We haven’t been in this thing in a good long time. Let the kid play. He should start with each of the guys now, so he can keep it in the back of his head during off-season work. Then he won’t be so virginal at spring training.

I think we need to head to the Giants’ dugout and stage a coup, to get Buster in the line-up. Who’s with me?

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the last thing I want is chickens pooping on Zito's shiny shoes

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry all of my pitchforks are tied up in the uprising against the mods. However, I can lend a few torches.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With his boyish, face

…Buster wll always look virginal

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by Goofus on Sep 23, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d say it is more than slightly over rated, actually.

Not overrated so much as misunderstood. Major league baseball is home to 60 or so of the best catchers in the world. The difference between the best catcher in the world’s ability to call a game and the 60th best catcher in the world’s ability to call a game is obviously pretty insignificant if you think about it in those accessible terms.

Of course, there are fairly complex studies which have been done to prove that the difference is statistically insignificant. This is just a way to think about it that makes that idea more conceptually intuitive.

And the really good goodness of the pitchers also doesn’t hurt.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is not a meaningful statement:

Major league baseball is home to 60 or so of the best catchers in the world. The difference between the best catcher in the world’s ability to call a game and the 60th best catcher in the world’s ability to call a game is obviously pretty insignificant if you think about it in those accessible terms.

Why should the difference between the best and 60th best catcher to call a game be necessarily less signficant than the difference between the best and 60th best home run hitters? (Mind you, I agree that it probably is less signficiant, or anyway I believe it is, but the above is not valid proof.)

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it’s necessarily like that, but it is like that.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s like that, but what he said proves it’s like that doesn’t actually prove it’s like that.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I wasn’t really saying that it proves it. I was saying that puts the idea in a different conceptual framework. You’re right, though, that there are serious problems with that base of a simplification, and I should probably refine it before I roll it out again.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's like this and like that and like this and uh

like that and like this and like that and uh
like this and like that and like this and uh

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

JT's favorite song

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

insignificant among the pool of those who are ever given the chance to be major league catchers.

Hows that?

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many things in this comment are wrong

But I’ll just say this. Let’s assume (only for the sake of argument, since it’s a dumb idea) that the Giants wanted Not Posey to play catcher for them next year, so they wanted to sign someone to a two-year deal. WHY OH WHY would they sign a 35 yo, declining, overweight, .282 OBP catcher who is going to cost $6M per year? I mean there are other catchers in the world besides Bengie Molina.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if you just want to hold Posey back from catching for part of a season (which I don’t agree with anyway), why would you give ANYONE a two-year contract to do it?

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by jcb9 on Sep 22, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mychael Urban decided the Giants should sign Jason Kendall to a 1 year deal so he could mentor Buster.

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by kdl on Sep 22, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Varitek 2 yrs 20 mil!!!!

GIT R DUN GIANTZ BRASZ!!!!!

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t be thrilled with that, but it would be a lot less dumb than Bengie for two years.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve mentioned that several times on this site. It’s a great idea if he’s not too expensive, and only if he’s primarily the backup.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 22, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it would be wise of the Giants to sign Molina to a 2 year extension and play Posey either at 1st, 3rd or LF, and part-time at catcher.

If Posey is the catcher of the future, you don’t stick him in LF. They didn’t pay him a $6.2 million bonus to be a super utility guy.

Plus there’s the whole thing about Molina being incredibly old for a starting catcher, overweight, and having a non-existent OBP.

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by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If by “wise”, you mean “mindeffingly foolish”

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

THIS

"I FEEL A LOT OF HAPPY!" - Juan Uribe

FREE BUSTER POSEY

by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Catchers and knees

I hate it when people don’t let good hitting catchers CATCH.

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by milesntrane on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To claim that Molina's ability to call a game is what got the Giants in contention

is one of the most blatantly spurious ideas I’ve seen in ages.

And Molina doesn’t belong batting 8th. He belongs batting NOWHERE, exept perhaps batting cleanup (as in clean up the buffet table) on the Jenny Craig softball team.

Molina is excruciatingly pathetic to watch bat, run and throw, and he does nothing but contribute to the idea that in order to be considered a ballplayer all one has to do is put a uniform on and hack away.

by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 22, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Spurrier?

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still believe in Steve Spurrier!

QB OF THE FUTURE!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How Spurious!

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why so Spurious?

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I loved him in “Supersize Me”

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by Goofus on Sep 23, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Grant...

…this would be the sort of comment that you were talking about, right?

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two things come to mind...

One is a story as told by Cal Ripken, about how famously grumpy manager Earl Weaver once told the players that the team’s poor play was his (Earl’s) fault. How was it his fault? “Well, I’m the one who picked you guys.”

Another is from Peanuts, after Lucy strikes out and is simmering on the bench. When Charlie Brown has to clear his throat, she turns and yells, “I DIDN’T STRIKE OUT ON PURPOSE!”

by Bad Horse on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rowand just went down on three pitchers while you typed that.

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by milesntrane on Sep 22, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HOT ROWAND ON PITCHER ACTION!!!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right?!

Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)

by tk on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I wish Hemingway wrote Slash

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He wrote flash fiction

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t know they had Flash back then. Now…. from Adobe…. Flash for teletype machines.

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back then it would have been Macromedia.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Macromedia Flash v -20.0

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the word I was trying to remember! Thankyou!

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a common word. I’m sure he used it at least once.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant, I wish he wrote Slash, the guitarist, a letter. It woulda been cool.

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Slash,

You are good at playing the guitar. I enjoy your records. Your technique is excellent. I like your hair.

Sincerely,
Ernest

PS – if I write a book about you there will be homoerotic overtones.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL @ “I like your hair”

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actual LOL

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dear Slash,

Loved your work in the VW Beetle commercial.
Let’s get together for a cocktail sometime.

xoxoxox

Ernesto

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by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hot

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

whoops. pitches. not pitchers.

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by milesntrane on Sep 22, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

at the same time?

That’s impressive.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 players in the bottom 25 in the majors in OBP

4 of the bottom 25 starting for our team – Benjie, Edgar, Rowand, Winn. Unreal.

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by wjackalope on Sep 22, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, Winn leads the team in walks.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Batting average does matter?

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

value wise, this is quite true.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classy Winn Cheats Game

You simply can’t make up for being a crappy hitter just by walking.

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winn has 46

and Pablo is second with 44. Sigh.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Walking back to the dugouts, probably.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Specifically, “gumby shoulder walks back to the dugout”.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs to be plural.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually

his left shoulder is more similar to Clifford the Big Red Dog’s

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The correct noun (“walks”) is plural.

Although I probably should have used “gumby shoulderED walks”, since it’s being used as a modifier.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I actually took “walks” as a verb in the middle of a larger collective noun there.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's not forget

to lay some blame on Bochy for continuing to start these assholes

Still defending Rich Aurilia, and the Niners' classic unis

by wjackalope on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorta. I think when he was hired it was well known how much he loves the veterans.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baggs Lineup

LF Velez
RF Torres
3B Sandoval
C Molina
SS Uribe
1B Garko
CF Rowand
2B Frandsen
P Cain

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by NuschlerFace on Sep 22, 2009 3:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hooray! Lefty pitcher day!

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good. I’ll do something else tonight.

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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL FRED

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not-so-LOL Freddy Sanchez

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait….
That 2nd baseman… Fr…. Fran…. who is that again?

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My high school PE teacher’s son.

And no, I’m not joking.

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by mymclife on Sep 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good because that would have been a weak joke.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My high school PE teacher’s son! Booya!

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

... oh

:(

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Velez vs. lefties? No.

Just glad he’s not playing 2B.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garko and Frandsen?

Schierholtz must be steaming right now.

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by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHO?

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bochy needs someone to explain to him that lefties can hit lefties. It’s not unpossible

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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 22, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frandsen and Garko

cool I guess

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FRANDSEN

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Edgar must really be hurt. Or Sabean laid down the law and told Bochy not to play him anymore. (Can’t decide if that second one’s plausible or not.)

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

STOPGAP

I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED

by ringleader3 on Sep 22, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garko? Frandsen? Wait, what?

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Velez vs LHP, career: .200/.279/.240 in 111 PA
Schierholtz vs LHP, career: .398/.419/.625 in 93 PA

of course, Velez bats righthanded vs LHP and Schierholtz lefthanded, so obviously Velez must be the better choice.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logical.

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by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL. Poor Cain. To paraphrase Shawon Dunston, “If you want to see runs, eat fruit”

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by Kitspool on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Impossible Lineup

CF Velez
LF Lewis
C Posey
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
RF Schierholtz
1B Garko
2B Frandsen

If Bruce Bochy were to submit a lineup card with this on it, the universe as we know it would come to an abrupt and terrifying end.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BRUCE BOCHY IS OUR SAVIOUR!

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

VAPORS

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as disappointing as he’s been, rowand’s still a better option than any of those 3

by kingofthacove on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im bored of Rowand, and Lewis at least deserves a start every 60 games or so, I mean, Fuck.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see Lewis play too, though I never saw the fascination with Schierholtz

dude is an awful hitter

by kingofthacove on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was up to .300 for a couple games

he is better than Winn though, and has good defense when you factor in his arm

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus if any team happens to have a chinese catcher they are fucked.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

watch out Mariners!

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/frysquint

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

OH SHIT CHINA CONQUERED JAPAN WE ARE ALL DOOMED

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UM WHAT ARE SECRET CHINESE PRANS TO TAKE OVER AMERICA? I FORGOT

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh…

I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its from south park.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah. I remember that episode now. It’s generally a good idea to avoid those kind of jokes though.

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by Natto on Sep 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I was hoping my Nate vs Chinese catcher thing wouldn’t get taken the wrong way too.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh sorry Natto

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh sorry Natto China

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that too

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

SECRET CHINESE PRAWNS?

FIRST THE FISH, NOW THE CRUSTACEANS HAVE THE BOMB TOO???

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chinese prawns?

I want Chinese food so bad right now.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has something like a .715 OPS and his minor league numbers aren’t very impressive

plus he has neither discipline nor power, and that hardly ever translates to a useful major league player. I’d say at best Winn and Schierholtz have been equally productive this year… which is pretty sad

by kingofthacove on Sep 22, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve argued before that Schierholtz is sort of a young Randy Winn. But at least he has that “young” part going on, so it’s at least possible that he might reach something like Winn’s own peak in a couple years. Winn is not likely to be playing at all in a couple years.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy Winn – your 2010 Giants hitting coach!

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t go for that probably, but it’s been discussed before around here that he would probably make a great outfield instructor.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I wouldn’t want him to be a hitting coach either. But I’m sure if he expressed interest, the Giants could
find a place for him in the organization. An outfield instructor makes sense.

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Class on Class

He could give a Class class to Class-A kids, cause he’s a classay guy.
> <
  o

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by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

o face?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

o...o..o!

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not a huge Schierholtz fan, but I think he’s gotten kind of buried the last month or so. At the very least, he’s probably our second best OF vs LHP.

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by jponry on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And while this mostly speaks to how bad the offense is, they should still play him versus LHP over Velez.

I'm the Juggernate, bitch.

by kdl on Sep 22, 2009 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bochy’s logic (I think): Velez is 3 for 7 against Davis, Nate is 1 for 6.

I expect Amy G to fully explain this in the pre-game show.

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clarification

Obviously WRT to tonight’s game, not LHP in general.

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate’s numbers against lefties would be good in any lineup.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by giants9107 on Sep 22, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he can get better, but he’s in a slump right now and there’s no way he can work his way out of it without, you know, playing. There’s also no way he can learn to lay off bad pitches without playing or work on Not Being Randy Winn or…

He’s not great right now, and his latest slump has made him a bad player overall for the year. But I think he could be better than this.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What, no Bowker?

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call.

Bowker in right would have been better.

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by EliminateMe on Sep 22, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Bowker

He doesn’t even make the “impossible” lineup.

by taliesin on Sep 22, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

9/26!
CF Velez
LF Lewis
C Posey
3B Sandoval
SS Uribe
RF Schierholtz
1B Garko
2B Frandsen

by hokysmksbw on Sep 22, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Winn!

Frandsen! Garko! Molina…hitting fourth.

Oh.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frandsvestites are coming out tonight!

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by ResDog on Sep 22, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My buddy was at the game last night and texted me saying he heard someone yell “ROMOSEXUAL when Romo came in.”

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

..err…"ROMOSEXUAL, " when he came in.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Had to read that 3 or 4 times to find the correction.

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by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He came in where?

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I’m sayin’ is, this is a sticky issue.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He came in during a climactic point in the game. There was much grunting and sweating.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

…is not in the lineup :(

by esseffgeez on Sep 22, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor Nate.

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by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to think his defense was bad

But he blocks balls extremely well. When runners have a field day on him, it’s because our staff is the worst in the majors at holding guys on. I blame the front-office management for not making it a point throughout the system that pitchers are responsible for runners. Not catchers.

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by milesntrane on Sep 22, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’ve actually been disappointed with his effort blocking balls as the season has worn on. On the one hand, I understand that he’s protecting his knees, but it has hurt the team a few times and that makes my other hand mad.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

Half awake, half baked

by Giant Homer on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems like they mysteriously get better at holding runners on when Whiteside is catching.

Please hit better, Randy Winn.

by oldjacket on Sep 22, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that stealing a base comes more from the pitcher than the catcher because the jump is half the battle. However it just seems from watching that Bengie either doesn’t give a shit or is too worn out to block balls or throw runners out.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always felt that it hasn’t been Bengie’s fault that the front office failed to realize that Bonds might possibly some day retire… or that someday… possibly… the Giants might actually need somebody to hit clean up. A catcher is not the usual suspect when one is casting about for a power hitter, in the Giants case, Bengie was the best they could do. Ugh…. This was the best they could do? Damn we’re screwed.

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So maybe that explains starting a season with him at clean up. But by the first trade deadline of that first season, something should have been considered to correct an obviously bad situation. Then definitely during the off season something should have been done. The initial failure is one thing – the continued blundering is another.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess the question now is will Neuguy do something to stop the blundering.

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point here.

To err is human, but to have no comprehension of the actual problem nor a solution is Sabean.

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Oh and Happy Baggins’ birthday!

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grant is 111?

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

109 actually

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hooray!

Also, my birthday, along with Bilbo and Frodo.

by DrStankus on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

mine was Saturday

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No it was not. It was fucking sunday. And you had to be at work in four fucking hours.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/misses something

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s a mod just go with it. Once the rebellion occurs you will have your chance.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/stitches HowTheyScored into his guillotine list

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? And I thought that was one of the more memorable scenes in that movie….

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What movie?

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I just Googled it

I did not remember that scene.

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that’s the scene that they do the big “funking” dub on in the extras. It’s hilarious.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a romantic comedy. With zombies.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. It was the birthday thing that threw me off.

We're all basically Pedro Feliz.

by SF Pete on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, any mention of the word Saturday makes me think of that scene. It was bound to come out on these boards sooner or later.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was bound to come out on these boards sooner or later.

JUST LIKE JAKE IN THE SUN ALSO RISES AMIRITE

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by groug on Sep 22, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

/googled it and now sees what you did thar

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s all very simple, GrahamCrakalaka.

Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.

by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

fucking sunday?

is that like half off day at Bunny Ranch?

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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today is the second anniversary of Mrs. jhiat00 and I. It will be spent having a nice dinner and then watching the game.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

after which you will throw your nice dinner back up.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats. We celebrated our 24th on 9/15 at the park, then @ Nopa.

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by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

showin up jhiat

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, yours sounds better. 24 years is something to be proud of.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s easier for me than her.

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by bgunn on Sep 22, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awwww. Nice guy.

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by can of corn on Sep 22, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."

by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t know the American Automobile Association had a playoff.

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

   ><
    _

by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will be in the AA playoffs after watching this team all season.

/has given up on this season.

by jhiat00 on Sep 22, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They include 60 miles of free towing.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they could help Bengie get home faster.

by Merope on Sep 22, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just turned it on. They love watching Pablo play.

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by djp4cal on Sep 22, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They have the Zooperstars!

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just in case Lincecum

decides he is not happy with the Giants down the road….Game temp in Denver tonight
will be around 39 to 41degrees with possible light snow flurries by later innings. Can you forward this info to him for me? Thanks :)

by GoodOleBoyCo on Sep 22, 2009 4:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

but

your mascots a dinosaur

NEXT!

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your mascot is a dinosaur

your argument is invalid

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your team is leading the Wild Card race. Don’t you have better things to do than troll a Giants blog?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He prolly lives in Denver, so of course not.

I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
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by ringleader3 on Sep 22, 2009 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Denver, but these people need to get fucking lives or something.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 22, 2009 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs