What's the matter with Sanchez? He's (got) a bum (knee)
by Goofus on Sep 22, 2009 12:55 PM PDT
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Surely you're aware that Freddy Sanchez left last night's game with a injury to his left knee. I am serious and will call you Shirley.) He's scheduled to have an MRI today according to Baggs. How severe the injury is is critical for a couple reasons:
- It'll likely determine whether Sanchez is done for the season
- It'll likely determine how the team considers their decision about Sanchez for next season
The team has an $8.1 million option on Sanchez for next season that did not automatically vest because of his PAs or a $600,00 buyout. As Kuip said on KNBR this morning, the Giants are probably seriously considering NOT exercising the option now that Sanchez will miss games for the third time in his short stint with the team.
It presents quite the dilema as $8.1 million is a big chunk of change for a guy whose availablility is now in serious doubt. Perhaps the best option is to negotiate a cheaper 1-year deal to give Sanchez a chance to prove he can stay healthy and re-establish his value.
The Giants could also decide to give Sanchez his $600,000 and let him walk. Where they might have been previously hesitant to do so before, his injuries give them an excuse to change their mind about keeping him. Either way, they're bound to take a lot of heat for giving up Alderson for 25 games of Sanchez.
Personally, I like Sanchez, but not at $8.1 million. If a cheaper 1-year deal can't be worked out, I'd rather stick Velez there and put that money toward a Bay/Holliday/Crawford type of player.
Comment starter: What would you do and what do you think the Giants will do?
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and by “cheap”, I mean something along the lines of 2-3 million. The guy has a lot to prove at this point.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
One Ticket please.
Though i would offer a much lower wage with large play time incetives.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
This.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
If he won't sign for cheap for 1 year
Go out and get either Iwamura or Felipe Lopez. Especially Lopez, .815 OPS? Yeah.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Lopez is type A, as is Sanchez
But will the Brewers risk offering arb? Is it possible for Sanchez’s salary to go down in arb, because of the injuries?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Lopez
I was shocked to see Lopez’ UZR to be positive, considering the bad publicity he got out here in AZ for being a terrible defender, but holy hell Eugenio Velez’ UZR is horrific.
Lopez also was rumored to be a poor teammate and was called out for his lack of effort in AZ.
Apparently he has found the ability known as “range” to Fangraphs. Not sure where he found it, or where he lost it, lol
Or, as has been discussed many times, it’s a small sample size and not necessarily indicative of his true talent level.
This is, of course, really the first year where he’s mostly played 2B. He was a terrible defensive SS – it wouldn’t be all that surprising if a bad defensive SS could be a decent defensive 2B.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I have no idea
but I hope they do. They have Weeks coming back and a guy in AAA who would get a shot if he wasn’t blocked, but Lopez is a Boras client I believe and would probably go elsewhere. If he accepts its not the end of the world. He’s been pretty good defensively although it seems like there have been some balls he could have gotten to if he dove. The tv guys always talk about how his hamstring isn’t 100 percent so maybe that’s why or maybe that’s an excuse.
I’d add that the guy in AAA is going to be a minor league FA. They also have a 3B who can play SS and 2B who will be a ML FA.
I've coveted Iwamura for some time
But is even going to be healthy for the start of the season? I was under the impression he had fairly serious surgery on his knee recently.
I would think a two-year deal at $7 or $8 million would be fair
I think the Giants will re-sign him (to make it seem like the trade was not a failure) to either a 1-year $6 million or 2-year $12 million contract. And Ralph Barbeiri will sing Sabean’s praises for it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
What was the Pirates offer that he turned down before he was traded?
by Hoist That Rag on Sep 22, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They made him a token offer of 2/8. He countered with 3/20 and they sent him and his best friend packing
Just thinking about these two options bums me out.
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"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
Well, it should cheer you up that Alderson's odds of being a difference-maker are slim
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
even if he's just league average...
it’s going to burn deep
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really. We gave up on Kevin Correia and nobody seemed to care. Tim Alderson might not even become Kevin Correia.
Now, if he becomes Matt Palmer and OMG WINZ, people are going to riot. But if he is Kevin Correia?
To borrow from the great Gary Radnich,
NOBODY CARES
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wait....
are you saying Matt Palmer is better than Kevin Correia?
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
If Alderson puts up a season like the one Correia is having, I’ll be pretty pissed. (Especially if Sanchez never ends up making a difference in a Giants uniform.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Amen.
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
Gotta be honest...
i’m already pretty pissed.
by FireBrianSabean on Sep 23, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t think Velez can cut it as a second baseman, but I’d certainly play him every day there for the rest of the season and hope that he shows me something.
Sanchez has now put together back-to-back seasons of pretty bad baseball. Giving him $8 million is pretty silly.
why not play Frandsen there the rest of the year?
by Hoist That Rag on Sep 22, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
who?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Sep 22, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
just kidding
it would be CRAZY to play a young guy the last two weeks of the season!
by Hoist That Rag on Sep 22, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Last year was a bad year, this year he got nailed by the injury bug.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
WAR the past few years
2005 – 3.2
2006 – 4.8
2007 – 3.8
2008 – 0.4
2009 – 2.1
Looks like a pretty good player to me. He had a bad year in 2008 and he got hit with injuries in 2009.
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He’s also a second baseman whose main offensive skill is batting average going into his early 30s though, a group that has historically seen very quick declines. Add that to all the injuries the last two years and…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
…he’s a perfect buy low candidate?
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Trading Alderson for him and possibly having to pay him $8 million in 2010 is buying low?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Alderson is a sunk cost and at the time he was having a nice bounce back year. A 1/8 deal isn’t great, although it’s not bad; but I meant more signing him to a 2 or 3 year deal.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
Well, at the time, he was technically in the middle of a long stretch of missed games with the knee problem, as well as a slump.
If the 2/3 year deal is for like 4-6 million annually, I think that’s one thing, but I get nervous that Sabean will give him significantly more than that. And I honestly don’t really want the Giants to be on the hook for that third year anyway, tbh.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, the knee issue was certainly a concern. The Giants medical staff signed off on it though, so hopefully due diligence was done, although it’s really hard to tell with this organization.
Agreed on the contract numbers.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
He’s also a second baseman whosemainonly offensive skill is batting average going into his early 30s though, a group that has historically seen very quick declines. Add that to all the injuries the last two years and…
Fixed
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
But...but...
…dude hits doubles!
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By the way, my apologies to arguing so stridently with you about this subject before. I just really liked the idea of adding him to the lineup at his level of production at the time :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
that's half the fun...
I would probably never come around here if there weren’t argument’s. And it’s not like there wasn’t reason to believe Freddy Sanchez would be a major upgrade. Had he performed at the levels of 2007 and April/May of 2009, the impact certainly would have been huge. The hardest thing with all acquisitions is accurately figuring out what the guy is going to do going forward, which we can make educated guesses at, but no one really knows for sure.
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Once all the injury news started coming out...
I started hating the idea of trading anything more than spare parts for him, fwiw. If he was healthy and hitting like he had at the beginning of this year, obviously Alderson would not seem like such a huge thing to give up.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
haha
I was just laughing a little bit because I remember you arguing for Sanchez
by AllHailMightyBruins on Sep 22, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
in her defense...
As the leader of the anti-Sanchez bandwagon of June, I don’t know many people who weren’t pro Sanchez at the time. The guy did have a helluva start to his season
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
True
I wasn’t anti-Sanchez per se, but I didn’t want to deal for him because I didn’t (don’t) trust Sabean. I though he might give up someone like Alderson for him….doh!
by AllHailMightyBruins on Sep 22, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pro-Sanchez. Good player until he got here, and its not his fault our moron GM gave up too much for him. I still hope the Giants keep him (at less than $8 mil.) The disaster at 2nd base for the first half of the season was hard to watch. If Freddy can get healthy by next season, he would solve that and leave whoever is running the team by then to go out and find a middle of the order hitter
That is…um…completely wrong.
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What?
In what way? Okay, maybe “zero” is a BIT of an exaggeration for effect…
"The part of the roster where most of the money is spent, though, is on free agents and guys acquired through trade — guys Sabean did play a big role in acquiring. And they are not good. When you get 2/5 of a pitching rotation for free, you would think you could do better with $76 million than to field the league’s worst offense."
-Taliesin September, 2009
Well … convince me. I’ve read more than one statty projection piece contending that anything more than three years back has literally no predictive value.
Put his last two years together — that’s 1100 plate appearances — and you have a line of .281/.311/.391. Go back a third year and it improves only to .289/.323/.410. That’s with good-not-great defense, and now he’s about to turn 32 and is riddled with injuries. I just can’t see wanting to invest anything more than chump change in such a player.
I’d probably consider not picking up his $8M option and just buying him out. And then, signing someone like Placido Polanco for cheap.
Maybe? I don’t know. I kinda get that feeling.
Check the FA 2B’s
Second Basemen
Marlon Anderson NYM
Ron Belliard LAD
Jamey Carroll CLE
Mark DeRosa STL
David Eckstein SD
Orlando Hudson LAD
Akinori Iwamura * TB
Omar Infante ATL
Felipe Lopez MIL
Placido Polanco DET
Freddy Sanchez * SF
Hudson, Sanchez, and DeRosa will probably all be ranked higher than Polanco.
Yeah, it’s not a matter of people hating Polanco, it’s just that there are several similar players out there who are going to be looking for work.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I don’t imagine “some” includes John Dewan, though.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
lol
Can I haz range? Does +/- hate him at 2B? I don’t subscribe to BJO anymore, so I haven’t seen any numbers.
As of 2008 Lopez was -14, while Polanco was his mirror opposite at +14
For some bizarre reason, Lopez’s 2009 UZR numbers aren’t on Fangraphs, so it’s harder to compare them. For what it’s worth, UZR is less down on Lopez for his career than +/- is, but Polanco does appear to have an advantage.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I like Hudson
even though he (literally) is a bum
"Early to bed, early to rise, makes a woman healthy, wealthy, and wise. That's why you all are wiser than me. It's cloudydays."
Lets do our due dilligence here
Ron Belliard:
-super veteran goodness
-good a couple seasons ago
-strong second half suggest allstar = improving! Just ignore that .184 avg in the first half
-Flourished after joining a contender = He are CLUTCH!
Cut that man a comically large $18M check, he’s the Giants’ next starting 2B.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I don’t think any team in history could really touch an infield of Sandoval-Uribe-Belliard-Garko. I mean, that’s gotta be around 1000 lbs! If they kept Molina and picked up Fielder somehow they should bring in the USGS to make sure it’s safe to put all of them on the field at the same time in a seismically active area.
There aren’t a lot of fat outfielders though. That’s gonna be tough. Adam Dunn will be available, of course. I suppose they could try to get Tony Gwynn Jr and hope he balloons up like his old man.
Way to kick the tires
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Wth all those 2B FAs
It might behoove everyone for Sanchez to sign a cheap one-year deal with us, re-establish his value and hit the FA market again next season.
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Polanco, Kennedy, DeRosa, FLopez, Scutaro, Tejada, Hudson are the decent middle infield options for next year
Not all of the guys above will require a 1st round pick to sign. We should feel no urgency to lock up Sanchez for anything but a bargain.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Would DeRosa be that much cheaper than Sanchez?
by Hoist That Rag on Sep 22, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He wouldn’t be. But his presence will depress the market for everyone else.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
…and a trade for Hardy with Renteria sliding over to 2B seems like a pretty decent option as well and would probably cost less money than signing any of the better FA 2B, something with similar value to a mid-1st round pick, and improve the infield D. Oh and he’s younger than most of the 2B FA options too.
Thing A
what do we have the Brewers would want?
That
a) isn’t a key contributor to our 2010 club
b) isn’t named Madison, Thomas, or Buster?
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I like that key contributors to 2010 and Buster are two different things.
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true
same for madison too probably. Poor phrasing on my part
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand how the Elias rankings work, but when Sanchez went on the DL in August he dropped from being a Type A to barely being a Type B free agent according to the rankings MLB Trade Rumors puts up. His return for a couple weeks bumped him back up to being a Type A. I don’t know how severe his injury is, but if he misses significant time between now and season’s end it seems like there’s a pretty good chance he loses the Type A status again.
With all the time he's spending in the hospital, I'm guessing he's type 0-negative
ba-doomp-cha
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If he drops out of Type A and becomes a Type B, buying him out and offering arb could be a good move.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
You don’t want to offer him arb if he’s type A because he’ll be unlikely to sign elsewhere and the arb award would be too much?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
I guess other teams might be unwilling to sign him if he’s got injury issues and he’ll cost a 1st round draft pick. I guess it wouldn’t be the end of the world either way if he did accept arb though…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
if he accepted arb...
It would pretty much come at the same cost as exercising the option, only with more awkwardness. He’d probably get a figure slightly above this year’s salary, 6.5-7 million + his .6 M buyout.
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah but offering arb = chance of draft pick.
just picking up the option = no chance of draft pick.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
true...
not knocking the notion, just saying it would probably lead to the same road, with a 5-10% chance of netting a pick or two and a 90% chance of getting him back with a tad of awkwardness.
I would hope to decline arb and bring him back cheaper, since this market will be flooded with 2B’s anyway, driving the prices down
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Buy out his option and offer a 2 year/5 million per year contract.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 22, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
If his injuries really shape up to be a long-term issue
I’d rather pay him 3M more to leave at the end of next year.
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Freddy Sanchez hurt again?
What’s the next big shocker out of the Giants dugout? Buster Posey continues to sit on the bench?
Hey, where are you, all those people who were insisting signing him to a three-year extension was a no-brainer!?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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Hanging out with the 87% who thought Randy Johnson was a good move.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
I thought it was a good move.
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Sorry if it came out douchy
I just didn’t why the need for an “I told you so” post when everyone gets things wrong or right.
P.S. I was also Yes on Randy/No on Trade/Yes on 3 years.
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we all make mistakes...
But most of us make less than our GM.
I’m happy to say I was NO on this deadline altogether, but I was also a guy who thought Pablo was going to hit .275/.310/.425 this year
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I was insisting, but I’d sign him to a 3 year deal assuming his knee isn’t obliterated.
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unless it's at 3 M per...
No way I’d wanna go beyond year to year with a guy like this. Injury history up the ying yang and zero secondary offensive skills.
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This was the first year he’s really had injury problems. He’s played in 145+ games the past three seasons.
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Wasn’t his bad season last year attributed to an injury he played through?
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Not sure
I probably shouldn’t have used games played as a proxy for health, but I’m not entirely sure how to find out injuries from the past.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
I’m not sure the extent myself, but he’s had 5 DL stints and has had major surgery on both his shoulder and ankle.
Beyond that, there’s plenty of performance based reasons he’s not an ideal long-term investment. At this point, I’d be happy with one year, 4 million + incentives
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve found that TSN.ca has a nice-ish log of injuries for players.
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/teams/players/bio/?id=3164
Since 2004 (also includes some transaction stuff)
07-Sep-09 Missed 19 games (left shoulder injury). 25-Aug-09 Left shoulder injury, 15-day DL. 18-Aug-09 Left shoulder injury, day-to-day. 02-Aug-09 Missed 5 games (sore left knee). 29-Jul-09 Acquired from the Pittsburgh Pirates. 27-Jul-09 Sore left knee, day-to-day. 10-Jul-09 Missed 6 games (back injury). 03-Jul-09 Back injury, day-to-day. 13-Sep-08 Missed 1 game (eye injury). 12-Sep-08 Eye injury, day-to-day. 03-Aug-08 Missed 5 games (back spasms). 28-Jul-08 Back spasms, day-to-day. 14-Apr-08 Missed 1 game (right shoulder injury). 13-Apr-08 Right shoulder injury, day-to-day. 05-Apr-08 Missed 1 game (right shoulder injury). 04-Apr-08 Right shoulder injury, day-to-day. 05-Feb-08 Re-signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates to a two-year contract. 01-Oct-07 Missed the last 5 games of the regular season (shoulder injury). 26-Sep-07 Shoulder injury, day-to-day. 19-Jun-07 Missed 3 games (flu). 15-Jun-07 Flu, day-to-day. 26-Apr-07 Missed 1 game (eye injury). 25-Apr-07 Eye injury, day-to-day. 18-Apr-07 Missed 1 game (left wrist injury). 17-Apr-07 Left wrist injury, day-to-day. 07-Apr-07 Missed 5 games (sprained knee). 31-Mar-07 Sprained knee, 15-day DL. 03-Feb-07 Re-signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates to a one-year contract. 24-Feb-06 Re-signed by the Pittsburgh Pirates to a one-year contract. 24-Jun-05 Missed 1 game (hamstring). 23-Jun-05 Hamstring, day-to-day. 11-Jun-05 Missed 2 games (groin). 08-Jun-05 Groin, day-to-day. 07-Sep-04 Recalled from Nashville (AAA). 10-Jul-04 Missed 84 games (ankle injury) and optioned to Nashville (AAA). 01-Apr-04 Ankle injury, 15-day DL (retroactive to March 26th).
It doesn’t seem like it to me, but I don’t know what’s typical.
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give Uribe a 2 year deal to start at 2B.
Let Frandsen back up 2B/SS.
Brian Sabean figures that if he buys enough bottles, one of them is bound to have lightning in it.
I’d love to think Uribe will replicate his .821 OPS season in 2010, but I kinda doubt it.
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"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
This is me as well.
And I actaully was opening looking at him last winter for this club so I count myself as one of his supourters. But Uribes history is he get hot and he is very hot. then there is the rest of teh time…
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
it's like Black Jack
Uribe’s success this year is like hitting on 16 and getting a 5. It was marvelous, but that doesn’t mean we should keep hitting on 16
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Does that mean Winn’s failure this year was like getting a pair of 2’s and splitting them?
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"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
I’d compare it to doubling down on 11 and getting a 3
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends...
…is 16 really cute?
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She’s 16.
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How was I supposed to know?!?
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Come on officer, tell me you wouldn’t have bothered her.
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There is also the reverse -- Hoshino Aki
She is 32 but looks 16.
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But her ID said she was 23 !
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Hitting on 16 is what you’re supposed to do if the dealer has a 7, 8, 9, or 10.
THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME (for 3 days in 1995).
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Could you do me a favor and explain that to the judge?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 23, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
To me, Tim Alderson was a PTBNL in the Jason Schmidt trade. We are now even with Pittsburgh.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 22, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
So when are we getting the PTBNL back from the Twins?
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I want Freddy back
Not for any rational reason, but I’m not willing to believe that we gave up alderson for so little.
Plus I like Freddy.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Offer him arb
don’t pick up the option. no way he gets $8M, and we don’t commit for more than one year.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Just throwing this out there...
How would you guys have felt about a Brian Wilson-Dan Uggla trade at the deadline?
I know it’s sort of taking from Peter to feed Paul (what’s the expression?) but the thought is interesting. I bet FLA would have done it and I think it’s much easier to find good relievers than potential 4-5 WAR 2B’s
Robbing Peter to pay Paul?
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I would have been cool with a Bumgarner for Hanley trade
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No. Wilson is the heart of the team. At least this is how it appears to me.
by positiveuphemism on Sep 22, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t like Freddy. I get that his injury problems aren’t his fault, but goddamn. Is he made of the porcelain they forgot to use when making Timmy? I hope he resigns a cheap deal with us. He kind of owes us for being such a colossal bust. If he was in the lineup even 3/4 of the time after we acquired him, our team would’ve been much better off. It is in part his fault we didn’t (won’t) make the playoffs. He’s been a massive disappointment. If he doesn’t resign for dirt cheap, I will boo the shit out of him wherever he ends up.
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how aren't they his fault in some way?
If he got drilled in the head, maybe it’s not his fault, but having a body that is susceptible to breaking down is his fault to some degree
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
You can’t really blame him for having an entire bum body. It’s not really under his control how his ligaments hold up. I suppose you could blame him for sticking himself in the lineup when he wasn’t 100%, though.
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well...
I mean we don’t know how well he takes care of his body. Is he stretching properly? Does he give it his all in rehab? Does he keep in good shape in the off-season?
Even if he does all of these things well, he still has to carry some blame for injuries because while that might not be in his control, it is part of his game. Just like how Bengie Molina doesn’t take walks. This is a known fact with Molina, it’s just a part of who he is. Getting consistently injured is similar, albeit a bit less directly responsible.
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But he hasn’t been “consistently injured” for his entire career, he played more games than most big leaguers for years, so I would guess he does take care of his body. Can’t blame him for the injuries but maybe he tries to come back too soon and could be faulted for that, or maybe that falls on his doctors
He’s had 5 separate DL stints and two major surgeries. Not too mention a plethora of nagging day-to-day injuries. Just being on the field doesn’t make you healthy
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he’s been on the field and played well throughout his career except for last year and his time this year with the Giants.
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All big leaguers go on the DL and they all have nagging injuries, but nobody complains as long as they produce, which he was doing. He plays hard, and that probably is to blame as much as anything for the two times he went on the DL in spring training. One was a collision with the catcher, and the other was turning a DP. Hard to place blame on a guy for playing that way
And I guess the ankle tendonitis could be considered major, but the shoulder surgery was supposed to be very minor, not a rotator cuff problem or tendon replacement or anything
it was a rotator cuff problem
Although that’s not as severe to a position player as it is to a pitcher, it’s still serious
by NeifiChicken on Sep 22, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It was not a rotator cuff surgery
It was a 15 minute scope to help with joint pain
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3040640&campaign=rsssrch&source=freddy+sanchez
I miss Ray Durham :(
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If Ray Durham was the second baseman all year, this would have been a better team.
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You guys overrate Alderson too much. He had no place in the rotation for the Giants in the coming years and his only value was being packaged in a trade. And it doesn’t seem like he was very much in demand this past deadline.
He had no place in the rotation for the Giants in the coming years
Oh good, I’m glad Sanchez will figure out his control and Bumgarner will be great for sure and Cain and Lincecum won’t regress and Zito will continue to pitch like a person who’s good at pitching next year.
Because none of those are question marks, it was totally a good call to trade Alderson for an injured second baseman who hasn’t been good in a Giants uniform.
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his only value was being packaged in a trade
Right, and a lot of people think he could have been packaged with other prospects in a trade to maybe get a better player than an injured Freddy Sanchez.
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Is it true that he wasn’t in much demand this trade deadline? The narrative around the Sanchez trade makes it sound like he was untouchable at first but the Pirates insisted on him being part of the trade and Sabean eventually gave in. Where did you hear about teams not being interested in him?
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ERgo sell for pennies on the dollar?
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
Time machine
Shop Alderson for someone who could help the team in 09 and beyond or hold onto him.
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Thats priority 10969
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If I had a time machine, I’d go back and bet on sports.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 22, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
A 2B who can't steal or hit dingers, shouldn't get even $4 mil.
Not even if he hits .300 (.344 is a different story).
Unfortunately
Based on that list of FA 2nd basemen above, there are only a couple that would fit your criteria, and they are going to get multi-year deals at way more that $4 million
The league hits .259/.331/.410, which is basically what Freddy hits except with a BA around .300. So, he’s approximately a league average hitter while playing solid defense at 2B. That’s a pretty good player. Steals and homers aren’t the only important things.
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there's a semantic divide between shouldn't, couldn't, and wouldn't
Players are by and large overpaid. But as I pontificated some weeks ago, SB and HR dudes pay for themselves because they can move merchandise. Commercially speaking, the dude with 30 kabongs or 30 steals will sell more memorabilia than a dude who hits a flat .300.
How could most players be overpaid? That statement defies simple logic.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Not League Average
Freddy Sanchez has a career .325 wOBA and a 3 year average of .319 wOBA. (.333 wOBA league average, I think). He’s a below average hitter, who is not going to get better. 320 wOBA is a generous expectation. He is still an above average fielder but I really don’t think he is worth more than $2/3 million a year.
by San Francisco Slim on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
I said approximately, and if he’s healthy I don’t see any reasons to think he wouldn’t put up a .320-.330 wOBA.
And 2/3 million a year is his ceiling? That would be an almost replacement level player. The only year he hasn’t been worth 10+ million is 2008.
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That’s basically what it comes down to.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
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its a fucking torn meniscus
they wouldnt even let amy g make the announcement during the game
sabean needs to go
this trade tops the nathan trade….cuz at least we got aj the ball kicker for an entire worthless season
there is no way to sugarcoat this one…sabean fucked up
and it should be the last time he fucked up for this org
never mind that the garko trade is a fuck up too
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