Angel Villalona Link Thread
by Grant on Sep 21, 2009 10:17 AM PDT
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It would seem a little odd to not have a main page thread on the Angel Villalona accusations, so this is kind of an open thread/link dump. I can't even formulate an opinion on this. It's probably a story that's so horrible it transcends any trival thoughts of baseball, signing bonuses, and minor league systems. I'm still holding out for the 1% chance that because we're hearing the story through an international game of telephone, the real story is far less sinister. It sure doesn't sound good though, and it makes my stomach turn.
- Here's the standard account from the Mercury News, with some quotes from players.
- Over at sfdugout.com, Brute has a recap of links and opinion pieces.
- One of the more interesting links I've read from a human interest standpoint is at Garrett Broshius's blog: Life in the Minors: Villalona: teammate turned murder suspect
This might be the worst news I've ever heard as a Giants fan, and I can't imagine what the folks close to the Augusta and San Jose organizations are feeling.
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Holy Crap!
This is the first time I have heard this news and I’m speechless.
I still believe in Ryan Garko...........
by 49er16 on Sep 21, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
bad news is bad.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Would really appreciate someone informing him whether or not we're in this. The media says we are. The sensibilities say otherwise.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole thing is just bizarre. Brosius’ article is really interesting. Time to do some internet research for La Romana
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by Useful_Idiot on Sep 21, 2009 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The "everyone has guns" thing is familiar to me
My production plant manager is from Honduras, and well before the current unrest, he would always talk about how everyone has guns there, and it’s the Wild West to some degree. I’m sure there are significant differences between the two countries, but, like I said, it’s a familiar theme. Not an excuse, mind you, but context at least.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed the same thing in Costa Rica
I Spent a week down there training a company who had purchased some software. The company owner and his financial head who drove me around never went anywhere without their guns. Both had been mugged multiple times by armed bandits before acquiring guns.
by ddavis539 on Sep 21, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I lived there for a few months
you can rent guns by the hour there, if you’d like
by LPKingsFan on Sep 22, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
I can’t think of any reason why that would be a good idea…
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by marcello on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t know what to say. It’s a completely tragic situation. The consensus from the various quotes seem to be “Let’s wait for more information to come out.” Like you said, there’s a slim chance that this story is getting twisted in some form or another.
by deuce deuce on Sep 21, 2009 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there's an extreme likelihood of "lost in translation"
But still, the basic facts that have emerged so far don’t paint a pretty picture.
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by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tragic story for sure
….. and yet another kick in the groin to giants fans.
by giantdonkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
aw hell
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by igotnothing on Sep 21, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
eff
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by Giants_Junkie on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Posey and Bumgarner stay on the big team next season our farm system isn’t looking so hot anymore.
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by Norm Median on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
there are still guys down there. Neal, Kieschnick, Joseph, Dominguez, Raf Rod, Crawford, Noonan, Pill, Bond, and more who could make it up to the big team some day
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The importance of all these names just shot up
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peguero has me intrigued as well.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Sep 21, 2009 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but it’s not like we should penalize the Giants for having their minor leaguers graduate to the next level.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 21, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s a definite that either Posey or Bumgarner starts the season on the big league club. In fact, I’d be surprised if they did.
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by ResDog on Sep 21, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I’d say Bumgarner is definitely going back to the minors for more seasoning. And unless the Giants do something silly, Posey should be on the big league club to start next season.
by deuce deuce on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not often Brian Sabean hands a starting job to a rookie. And if Posey doesn’t start for the Giants, then he needs to in Fresno.
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by ResDog on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While that’s true, it’s not very often that the Giants have had a hitting prospect like Posey in their system.
by deuce deuce on Sep 21, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true. Posey is by far the best position prospect the Giants have had under Sabean. Uncharted waters.
Of course, this is all MOO if Sabean isn’t brought back.
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by ResDog on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like since he plays such a key position that really influences the defensive side of the game, until Posey proves (however the hell he is supposed to do that while sitting on the bench I don’t know) he can handle everyday catching duties in the major leagues my guess is we’ll have a Bengie/Posey split, or someone else on a one year deal to split time with Posey.
by Mrbasepaul on Sep 21, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
American flag hitting Tommy Joseph
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon people
remember when tony torcato was our best prospect ? we’ve come a long way……
by giantdonkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I recommend that everyone watches the movie “Sugar.” Pretty awesome movie about the transition of life in the DR to coming to the US and playing in the minor leagues.
Broshius’ blog seems to reflect a lot of what the movie is about.
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I just saw that movie last week. Very good flick. The culture shock for these players must be huge.
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by ResDog on Sep 21, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of pressure
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I’ve always said I understood* why some of the players from the DR would take steroids. Their whole family’s well being rides on their success in baseball. Their options are very limited if they don’t succeed.
*Not that I would fully understand or appreciate the gravity of their situation.
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by ResDog on Sep 21, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That movie was well done, and very interesting. It gave me some insight into the pressure that these young men are under to “make it” here.
The film did leave me wanting to hear/see more of the story.
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by nvsfg on Sep 21, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That movie is very sad
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Sep 21, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep very good movie
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by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 21, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I just added that to my Netflix queue.
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by GiantsBabe on Sep 21, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
Others have rec’d it recently
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by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep meaning to add it to mine, but I never remember when I’m actually at home.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do it. It feels completely relevant to what is going on with Villalona. Really shows a different perspective than what we normally see.
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very sad but very good flick.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also rec sugar
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by wjackalope on Sep 21, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/moved to top of the list
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by satyricrash on Sep 21, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 21, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still a bit skeptical
But I’ll hold out on an opinion until I get all the facts as they unfold.
A bit symbolic of the timing of this article and this past weekend’s series. Such a downer.
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by SoFa King Mike on Sep 21, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to make decisions, hope to the Willies this one isn't true
but who becomes our 1B of the future if we assume Angel’s baseball career is over? Pill? Dominguez? the big Jesus?
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Would really appreciate someone informing him whether or not we're in this. The media says we are. The sensibilities say otherwise.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 21, 2009 10:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i mean assumptions. wow last night was a long one.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Would really appreciate someone informing him whether or not we're in this. The media says we are. The sensibilities say otherwise.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Sep 21, 2009 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well done
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by ResDog on Sep 21, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My boy Tommy
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants: Giants prospect accused of murder
The News
Giants prospect Angel Villalona is the prime suspect in the murder of a 25-year-old man in the Dominican Republic, according to the Associated Press.
Our View
Yikes. Villalona was signed by San Francisco in 2006, receiving a then a club-record $2.1 million signing bonus. He was voted the top player in Arizona’s rookie league two seasons ago. In 74 games at Single-A San Jose this season, he hit .267. It’s looking like that will be as high as he climbs in the Giants’ system, since Double-A Alcatraz does not exist. He is only 19.
Double-A Alcatraz? Is this really a time to making jokes?
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by deebrizz on Sep 21, 2009 10:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it a time for making jokes?
I guess that depends on whether you’re more concerned about the loss of human life than how it affects your enjoyment of baseball.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This comment no longer makes sense. Thanks a lot, jponry.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds douchy like rotoworld
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 21, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I assumed as well.
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by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett Broshuis’ blog posting was awesome. I like the way he writes. Seems like a smart guy. He’s right, if this was a mutual fight turned into a gun fight, and an unarmed man lay dead with AV’s bullets inside of him, AV needs go to a DR prison for quite a few years. The DR is not Disneyland. It’s more like the wild west, which I can only imagine how the Justice system and prisons are in that country. I hope he has some witnesses who can speak for him in court. I think we just lost a valuable, talented prospect to a sad situation.
Pro Baseball players are constantly targeted in the DR and the rest of the Caribbean/Latin America, IE: Uribe, Torrealba. As Broshuis points out, the baseball player factories in the DR are pretty much corrupt, immoral, and inhumane.
Damn, this is just bad, all the way around.
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by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 21, 2009 11:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So why do we bring them over here, especially at 16 for millions of dollars?
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Pedro Martinez, Vladimir Guerrero, the Alous, Julio Franco, Juan Marichal, Alfonso Soriano, David Ortiz…
In other words, MLB brings players in from the Dominican Republic because it’s to their advantage. Players come from the DR because, if they succeed, it’s to their advantage far beyond any opportunities that exist on the island. It’s not always pretty, but that’s pretty much how capitalism works.
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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Back in the day” teams didn’t pay them huge amounts of money. Conditions were/are so bad over there, the players would pretty much come for a glove or a pair of cleats just to get the opportunity to play in the good ol’ USA.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, but I’m not sure how that’s relevant to your question. Are you saying it would be better if Dominican players still got paid poorly when they come over?
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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a stupid move to give ANY 16 year old a couple million dollars to play baseball, regardless of where they are from, but 16 year olds can’t be drafted in this country. Like a kid in a candy store, with more money than he knows what to do with. All equals trouble.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Non of this is in any way relevant to your previous comment.
And anyway, guys like Heyward and Bumgarner became millionaires as 17 year olds, so it’s not a big difference.
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Sep 21, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those players have had a much better education most likely than any International Free Agent.
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by WalrusMan on Sep 21, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends where the prospect is from, but I guess.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, the good old days.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Sep 21, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I walked 10 miles in the snow uphill to get to school... both ways!
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Would really appreciate someone informing him whether or not we're in this. The media says we are. The sensibilities say otherwise.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 21, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i did more than go to school with your mom.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Would really appreciate someone informing him whether or not we're in this. The media says we are. The sensibilities say otherwise.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 21, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took your mom to school.
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by groug on Sep 21, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sex school!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When rich bastards were free to exploit the poor and powerless for millions of dollars… good times.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 21, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the better question
is should they go back home after being given millions of dollars and are not old enough to work at Burger King (or barely old enough)? Obviously they’ve become targets in the own country, and although I am sure they’re conflicted about wanting to be with their family and friends and what they are used to, at the same time it is a ticking time bomb living there and being rich.
by Mrbasepaul on Sep 21, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was kind of wondering about that when I heard the news. Why isn’t he with his team? Yeah, I know he’s injured… but his freaking teammates are in the freaking playoffs!! He didn’t want to be there to support them? Do the minor league teams routinely ship injured players back from whence they came? You’d think they’d want to keep an investment like that near by, both for safety’s sake and for supervision of rehabilitation.
by Merope on Sep 21, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d read that the team gave him permission to visit his mom before returning to the States for instructs Sunday.
Visiting his mom. That makes me even sadder.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a teenager who’s living in a foreign country, and doesn’t speak the language. He can’t contribute to the team in any way. He hasn’t seen his family in at least 5-6 months, and asked for one week off so he can go home and see them. You really think he shouldn’t have gotten it?
Of all the Dominican players in the majors, how many have gotten into this kind of trouble? Yes, the DR has much higher crime rates than the US, and Villalona apparently comes from a particularly rough area. Worse than the rough parts of, say, Detroit or Baltimore? Maybe. But you’d never suggest that we should forbid prospects from those areas from ever coming home, would you?
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Sep 21, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said that. It’s just the timing that sucks. Wrong time, wrong place, especially when there were so many other, better places where he could have been passing his time. And his momma probably wasn’t at the bar. Teenaged boys are pretty good at doing stoopit stuff.
by Merope on Sep 21, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seemed to be questioning the team’s decision to let him visit La Romana.
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players should be able to go back to their own country if that’s what they want to do – he obviously did. I’m sure he did miss his mom/family. I’m also sure he knew exactly what kind of place he was hanging out in. Very, very sad chain of events, but he made the choice to go there in the first place.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We chatted about it on Facebook and it was the first time I’ve ever heard or seen him use a curse word. I don’t know him well enough to know if he would or wouldn’t say “shit” if he had a mouthful, but he just said “holy shit.” A usually very articulate man was reduced to an interjection of profanity when he got the news.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can’t get over that 20 years is the longest sentence he could get for killing someone. Call me crazy but maybe there should be stiffer penalties in the DR for gun play!
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 21, 2009 11:40 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that too, and in the US that fits the punishment of a manslaughter type charge(voluntary, negligent). So I wonder if he is charged with that type of crime.
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by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 21, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would also have to look up whether DR
has a similar parole system as the U.S. before making that comparison. The average murder serves 15 years in jail in the U.S.
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by Trenchtown on Sep 21, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure they will argue that it was self-defense, which it may very well have been, considering the angle the bullet entered and exited the victim. But all over a VIP chair in a crappy bar? Sounds like a fight for who was the “top dog”.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DR player also in trouble in his homeland
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by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 21, 2009 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just read this at Baggs (posted yesterday):
According to a source, Villalona was supposed to fly back to the U.S. today.
Oh man! I don’t know if that makes it more tragic, or more pathetic.
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by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
why wasn’t he in the San Jose dugout celebrating a championship with his teammates rather than being in DR?
by wilriv21 on Sep 21, 2009 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team gave him time to be with his mother before the fall Instructional League began.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just hoping that it was self-defense.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 21, 2009 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That will obviously be what his lawyers will say.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst I've felt about the Giants all year
I think Villalona is as good as gone…
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by Yoyo on Sep 21, 2009 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think so too.
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by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic Four No More
Buster – nailed to the bench
Madison – loses velocity (crosses fingers just arm fatigue)
Tim2 – is a pirate
Angel – suspect in murder
Zany outcome for our top 4 prospects.
by wheresmyhauf on Sep 21, 2009 12:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
stupid question but
i assume there is no compensation from the MLB for having our top prospect in a dominican jail (ie. draft picks)?
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by cloudydays on Sep 21, 2009 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
correction
*a top prospect
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by cloudydays on Sep 21, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume that depending on the ruling, the remaining portion of his contract will be voided. I’d be doubtful of receiving any other kind of compensation (not that a voided contract is compensation in the strict sense of the word) outside of that, but I’m really not that knowledgeable about this.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except he doesn’t have a contract; he has a bonus. Only deferred portions of that bonus could have payment withheld.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not likely.
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by bgunn on Sep 21, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren’t they signed as free agents?
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by satyricrash on Sep 21, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure cloudydays means would the team receive compensatory draft picks to make up for the loss of a player. In that case, my guess would be the answer is no. I suppose an analogous situation (in this respect only) would be Adenhart. Did the Angels get any kind of compensation? I doubt it.
by taliesin on Sep 21, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel wasn’t a draft pick to begin with, so the point is especially mute*.
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by Goofus on Sep 21, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if the compensation is anything other than a pat on the back…
by capn on Sep 21, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is what i meant
and i see
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by cloudydays on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how the contract is written
My guess would be, however, that “getting convicted of murder” would constitute a breach of contract. In that case, the Giants may be able to try to claw back his signing bonus or a portion thereof. Again, depending on the terms of the contract.
Obviously it would be better if it turns out to be self-defense.
by taliesin on Sep 21, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hard to imagine… as others have pointed out, much of that $2.1 is probably gone
by capn on Sep 21, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know.
But as a legal matter, they may have a right to recoup it. That does not necessarily mean there actually is anything to recoup.
by taliesin on Sep 21, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Brute, Baron or anyone else with access to the SJ Giants:
Did Angel have a thuggish reputation? Was he known as a scary dude or get in fights? I’ve never heard anything either way.
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by Goofus on Sep 21, 2009 12:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All the quotes from teammates make it sound like he was a good guy.
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by jponry on Sep 21, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt in a time like this players would outwardly say that Villalona is a bad guy or say anything negative about his character
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
However, the things they’re saying now jibe with the (very little) I’ve read before.
The story about his host family in San Jose, for one. It talks about them (Ed & Donna Musgrave) taking Villalona and Wilmin Rodridguez to the Santa Cruz Boardwalk where neither of them would get on any of the rides. He comes across as a shy kid, no hint of machismo.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 21, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, in a foreign country where you aren’t sure what’s what.
Things can be different when you are back home in comfortable / familiar territory.
by Merope on Sep 21, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always heard he was a nice, quiet kid.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The quotes from Posey made it seem like he’s a good guy. Villalona sounds like a real quiet person.
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by djp4cal on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I heard of him was that he was every bit a teenager, which I took to mean immature, but I never heard anything about violence, hostility, or anything else that would predict something like this.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was never something I saw...
At most, I saw moments of frustration out of him…a thrown helmet, a word that was probably a curse in a language I need to learn how to speak, but never anything else. When I did see him not on the field, he was usually with teammates and friends.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say...
but I should have added smiling and happy. He wasn’t a jokester like Pablo (but who is), but I never saw anything other than a good-natured, competitive kid.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely floored
Felicitations, malefactors! I am endeavoring to misappropriate the formulary for the preparation of affordable comestibles. Who will join me!?
by MetalFaceDoom on Sep 21, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Garrett post here, too?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 21, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I do.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you mean Garrett Broshius. Sorry.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would post the facepalm of you to be ironic, but I don’t have the image.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Sep 21, 2009 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this works——→> /facepalm
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 21, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grant originally wrote this on another very sad day, but it really fits how I feel here as well…
I deal with ethics and society and blah blah blah every day. When I watch baseball or read about it, I want to watch baseball or read about it. Keep real life out of it … That doesn’t work too well today, so there’s nothing for me to write.
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by j14 on Sep 21, 2009 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
DEFINITELY!!!
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Sep 21, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Good News
Goofus Jr. is off two a nice start in SFLL Fall Ball (13 & 14 year olds) after two games:
PAs: 8
ABs: 5
H: 4 (2 singles, 2 doubles)
BB: 1
SO: 1
HBP: 2! (The Frandsen for a new generation)
His line right now is hilarious as his hitting is improving, but not tradtionally his stong suit: 800/850/1200
Can someone figure out his MLE’s before his numbers go down?
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by Goofus on Sep 21, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You cheated the game!
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly
His BABIP is bound to regress to a more reasonable little league average of .600.
And he has a hole in his swing like my donut has a hole in the middle of it.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait… this is a jelly filled donut… huh….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your donut started out with a hole in it. It was eventually filled with jelly.
You tramp.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 21, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's true. :(
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 21, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SWOOP ON GOOFUS JR
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 21, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
KAIN 4 GOOFUZ JR!!!!!11!1!!!!! LOLZ
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Would really appreciate someone informing him whether or not we're in this. The media says we are. The sensibilities say otherwise.
by beat_la_25 on Sep 21, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope: His BABIP is 1.000
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by Goofus on Sep 22, 2009 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is so petty it's ridiculous
But allow me to publicly roll my eyes:
I was curious what other SBN blogs were saying about the whole situation. One of the mods on everyone’s favorite classy blogs, Purple Row, mentioned in a front page post on PR and in a comment on True Blue LA that our top prospects were “taking a beating” lately. Fair enough, except that one of his examples is Buster Posey, who apparently sucks because he “only has one hit all month.”
Either the guy’s an idiot or he’s using this murder as a chance to take a potshot at the Giants….which kind of makes him an idiot, too.
Maybe I’m just being hypersensitive, though.
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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, except that one of his examples is Buster Posey, who apparently sucks because he "only has one hit all month."
I think this is a running joke at PR, I don’t think they seriously think that is a logical rationale.
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by marcello on Sep 21, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My assumption was that it was a joke. The timing just seems kind of tasteless.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 21, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
when Buster Posey is scattering humidifier balls all over the Coors Field outfield we’ll all be forgetting about Angel…..
Now offering free hugs from Amy G.
Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 21, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garrett Broshuis’ blog kinda put everything into perspective. I loved it in terms of a job well done writing wise, but obviously the circumstances are far from a good thing. I appreciated his complete honesty instead of just sticking up for a former teammate.
The man has a future in writing.
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by djp4cal on Sep 21, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tale of two prospects:
From a SJ game in late April, before MadBum and Posey and Crawford were moved up, before Alderson and Barnes were traded, here are two pics of two players who came of the clubhouse one after the other. Both as nice as could be. The picture of Angel makes me extremely sad.
Thomas Neal <img src="[IMG]http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/ymdone/Neal.jpg[/IMG]"/>
Angel Villalona <img src="[IMG]http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd101/ymdone/Angel.jpg[/IMG]"/>
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 21, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Picture makes me sad too.
Neal picture also makes me slightly sad since he’s wearing a lakers jersey.
How was Villalona when you met him?
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shy, but friendly. Polite too.
He spent, what, one minute with us signing my baseball, my daughter’s baseball, and taking pics with us, but wow, is it getting dusty in here?
Noonan. Nooooonan!
by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 21, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great having that picture. Whatever goes down, that is the kind of picture that you’ll one day be able to show her, and explain the story of Angel. Hopefully it will be a story of how he overcame all this and became a star and hopefully not a story of the downfall of what was projected to be greatness.
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Sep 21, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
I regret that I didn’t get to interview Villalona this year. He was on my list. We had very limited interactions. We said “wassup” to each other in the dugout a few times when I was hanging around waiting for interview subjects. That was it. But still, I just can’t believe this is happening.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This seems new?
http://diariolibre.com/noticias_det.php?id=216475
Miguel Farías, hermano de la víctima y con lagrimas en los ojos, afirmó que Villalona fue quien mató a Angel en momentos del velatorio en la calle Gastón Fernando Deligne número 132, donde residía la víctima, a pocas cuadras del lugar donde ocurrió la tragedia.
Los familiares de Mario Félix de Jesús sostienen que Valette acompañaba a un amigo que estaba de cumpleaños y que uno de los que acompañaban al pelotero empujó al amigo de Mario quien trató de separarlos siendo herido de un disparó por la espalda. La víctima, que dejó en la orfandad a un niño de dos años, es hijo de Mario Félix de Jesús y doña Taty Vedette quienes están consternados por la tragedia.
No fue posible conocer la versión del propietario del Centro Cervecero D´Tony Superfría, donde ocurrió el suceso y donde en ocasiones anteriores han ocurrido muertes y trifulcas, sin que se le ponga freno a ello.
by esseffgeez on Sep 21, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
looks new, isn’t “freno” brake?
something about the place they were at.. the bar…being a place were murders and fights have happened before…
by Merope on Sep 21, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Google translation since I had to look it up anyway
Miguel Farias, brother of the victim and with tears in his eyes, said Villalona was Angel who killed moments of the wake in the street Gaston Fernando Deligne number 132, where the victim lived a few blocks from where the tragedy occurred.
Families of Mario Felix de Jesus argue that Valette was accompanying a friend who had a birthday and one of those who accompanied the player pushed the friend who tried to separate Mario being wounded by a shot in the back. The victim, who left an orphaned child of two years, is the son of Mario Felix de Jesus and Mrs. Taty Vedette who are appalled by the tragedy.
It was not possible to know which version of the owner of Tony D’supercold Brewer Center, where the event occurred and where in the past there have been deaths and quarrels, without being put a stop to it.
by m34josh on Sep 21, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, essentially, two groups of drunk young men got into a shoving match at a shady bar, tensions escalated as it spilled into the street, and things went way too far. This is tremendously sad, but achingly familiar.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 21, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s new, and in glancing at it it looks like there was a friend of the murder victim (who was there with someone else celebrating their birthday) who got into it with a friend of Villalona’s at this place, which apparently is a really rough bar. The dispute is going to be who shot whom.
I’ll get to it in a bit, working on looking up the commentaries on the other papers since there’s more detail on the bar there.
The victim left a 2 year old son.
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by HaroldS on Sep 21, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so they still aren’t sure who shot whom?
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by cloudydays on Sep 21, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The family of the victim says he was the shooter, but in the first paragraph Villalona says he wasn’t.
Keep in mind this is the sketchy paper. More shortly.
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by HaroldS on Sep 21, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thx again for the updates.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Sep 21, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure the DR police high tech CSI unit was great at collecting evidence and it’s detectives scouring the scene taking statements….
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Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 21, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
something about the brother of the victim had tears in his eyes moments after going to the victims’ residence?
also the family claim that the victim was going with a friend who was having his birthday and tried to separate someone/something? he also had a kid who was 2 years old
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by cloudydays on Sep 21, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Updated timeline of events.
Friends aren’t around to provide corrections, so I won’t try to translate the above article word for word. However, it does fill in parts of the story so that with the other articles that have already been published I can now attempt to provide a timeline.
1. On Saturday night, Villalona went to a local bar/brewery that had an pretty bad reputation to begin with. The above article mentions fights and killings there before, and one commentor on the Hoy article says a kid from the neighborhood got killed there earlier this year and the case hasn’t been solved. (A couple other commentators on the article say they know Villalona and he’s gotten spoiled since he got signed, but then again, it’s anonymous internet commentators on a news article and we know how reliable that is. The shoutout by the ‘friend’ to Villalona where he hopes that he learns from this regardless of what happens does sound legit to me though.)
2. Murder victim De Jesus Valette’s family says he had gone there with friends to celebrate the birthday of another friend. Doesn’t say who got there first. Note that other papers have identified him as De Jesus Velete.
3. DR Police spokesman state their initial investigations led them to believe an argument started over a VIP Chair in the middle of this bar.
4. Valette’s family states that a friend of Villalona had pushed a friend of Valette’s, and that someone had tried to separate them and was shot in the back. It’s unclear who was shot in the back and where this happened, since there are a couple of reports that the police confirmed Vallete’s autopsy showed he was shot in the chest and had the bullet exit his neck – and his body was sent to the National Pathology Lab for this.
5. Vallete’s teary-eyed brother stated that the killing was in a tussle outside the bar near where Vallete lived. This is interesting, because it does correspond to the DR police saying people heard shots from inside the bar – which would imply that they didn’t actually see the shots – but is hard to pin down. Doesn’t say if his brother was there witnessing it. Victim died at 1045 at a local hospital, police said they were notified a little after 10. Another report had the cops saying this all happened around 11, so there’s inconsistency there, along with yet another report saying the incident happened inside (which may refer to the argument over the chair).
6. DR police took statements from people and realized Villalona was prime suspect, began looking for him immediately, and he turned himself in around 1:30 PM the next day. One paper implied Villalona was on the lam for 12 hours, so the implication is that they weren’t very happy to not be able to take him in for questioning ASAP. (My suspicion is that besides not wanting him to lawyer up, I’d wonder if they were wanting to test him for gun residue – which fades quickly.)
7. Villalona had his attorney Jose Arturo Ceballos along with Dr. Brigido Ruiz accompany him, and got questioned by police regional commander Brigadier Vitini Alberto Duran, prosecutor (judge) Antonio Polanco, and an assistant to the prosecutor Victor Enrique Gil.
8. After questioning, Villalona told reporters that he wasn’t guilty of the accusations. A slightly different version of this article suggests that someone (his lawyer, the police spokesman?) said to reporters that the authorities don’t have enough evidence to confirm either version of the story and it remains under investigation. (I’d point out that I can’t find the original article on the 20th this guy quoted from, which means take that comment by someone with a bit of a grain of salt, but then again it’s sounds like they’re not holding Villalona yet.)
Keep in mind Diaro Libre is an unknown paper to me and others. That said, of the three I am aware of that are legit, El Nacional hasn’t posted anything, Listin and Hoy have not contradicted anything these guys have said, and ESPNDeportes actually confirmed the fight in the bar was apparently over a VIP Chair. The front page of Libre has stories on the President addressing the UN, an abortion debate in their legislature, and a row over gambling (and even has an english language version of some stories), so I get the feeling it’s actually pretty legit.
PS – Brute, I don’t mind you putting the links I come up with on your site, but could I at least get a shoutout for it? Thanks.
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by HaroldS on Sep 21, 2009 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
thanks a lot
very informative, hopefully this situation gets resolved quickly
by sfoakbay on Sep 21, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two corrections since my friends said close but no cigar. #4 was the brother being interviewed at the wake, which I mistook as the tussle outside (although it’s still quite possible). #5 was the family of the victim saying he was shot trying to separate the two by Villalona, but in the back, which isn’t consistent and what threw me off.
This is a picture of the bar.
This is a story about the guy who got killed a few months back.
This has a blurb at the bottom about a guy being arrested at the place for selling coke.
And I’ve also been told that the really rough bars have women at the walls and guys in the middle, as shown in the video. I’m sure we’ll all know more in a couple months.
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by HaroldS on Sep 21, 2009 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You absolutely do. :)
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a rather crappy youtube video that gives a sense of what the bar is like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJud-HSWmuk
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by Scottsdale on Sep 21, 2009 6:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And the shoe drops.
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by HaroldS on Sep 21, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shit.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 21, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mega-Shit
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by monta101 on Sep 21, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean they’ve ruled out self-defense?
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by boonitez on Sep 21, 2009 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does he need to wear the bulletproof vest for protection? I mean, obviously, but is he really at risk of being shot at court or on the way to and from court?
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Sep 21, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
welcome to the DR/RD
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by haverecords on Sep 21, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Local Report - 2 Months in Jail while case is presented
Outside of the two months, there’s not much new here that wasn’t in the AP Report, although it does have a picture of Angel in court.
http://www.hoy.com.do/deportes/2009/9/21/294590/Villalona-a-prision-preventiva
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A separate article has said that the prosecutor asked for three months, but only received two months from the judge.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude..
This picture is so depressing…. :(((((
by i wish we were good on Sep 21, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This whole situation is.
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by haverecords on Sep 21, 2009 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread appears to be fading off...but...
One has to include John Sickels’ most recent discussion post/community poll for a pretty big faux pas, even if he has every reason to be not paying attention…
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/9/20/1046068/discussion-disappointing-first
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 21, 2009 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That last picture is heartbreaking. As many have said – this is just unbelievable. Thanks to the guys who have been keeping us all updated on this, especially Harold, as it seems like he has put MANY hours into finding out what happened for all of our benefit – whether bad or good.
by flyonthewall on Sep 21, 2009 11:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Possible Update?
this is gleaned from the profound wastebasket known as ESPN.com comments—>
~Just in to our int’l news tip line at ESPN.com, legal counsel for Villalona to speak later today. He is quoted as saying initially, “We have serious and compelling evidence to clear Mr. Villalona of these absurd charges… He was simply a young man in the wrong place at the wrong time.”
~Stay tuned for updates
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 22, 2009 12:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
damn you
don’t give us hope!
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by cloudydays on Sep 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is this in comments?
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/4493302
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 22, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weird – the guy has a new profile, so I’m not holding my breath.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another picture
Comes from this article from El Nacional (first time they’ve published on this) – only new news is that apparently the victim was shot twice. That would explain the differing reports of bullet wounds as well as put one heck of a dent in the self-defense argument. Other papers don’t have anything we don’t already know.
Regarding the body armor, one thing that sadly came up in discussion with some of my friends, believe it or not, is his skin color. Darkness of skin matters a lot down there (take a look at the picture of who is escorting him up to the courtroom, along with those in the bar in that video). I don’t know this, but I strongly suspect that he’s being viewed by many in the DR not just as a millionaire spoiled brat athlete-murderer, but a millionaire lower class dark-skinned spoiled brat athlete-murderer who is about to get his comeuppance.
One small bit of evidence towards that – someone who claimed to be the victim’s older sister (and I really hope it’s not her, poor woman has an orphaned nephew to deal with now along with losing her brother) posted a comment on one of the articles with terms and implications that wouldn’t be acceptable up here even by the relative of a murder victim. Of course it’s anonymous commentary on the internet, so who knows.
So, yes, that may be why he needed body armor and a closed courtroom.
There is probably some irony in having one of Pill’s first supporters writing as much as I have on this case, but I really hope Villalona didn’t do it. Unfortunately, my gut is that unless we hear something very loud from his defense team very quickly, he probably did.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
btw, multiple shots do not necessarily hurt a self defense plea—in fact, it is to be expected. Unless the weapon is a rifle, a shotgun, or a high powered hand gun, you will usually have multiple shots, if you have shots at all.
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by haverecords on Sep 22, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops, left that one unclear by omission too. This is what I get for hitting post as I’m running out the door, bleh.
You’re right – just doubletapping isn’t a problem (unless you’ve got a law enforcement background, but that’s another discussion).
What I was referring to is that we have a coroner report of a shot entering the chest and exiting the neck confirmed by multiple sources – yet the family also said he was shot in the back, which seemed confusing. Now that we have two shots confirmed, if he was shot in the chest twice, not a biggie.
If the family is right and there was a second shot was in the back after the first shot was in the chest, though, I’d imagine that might be a bit more trouble to explain as self defense, though.
I’d ask a public defender friend who used to work capital cases what she thought about this if I wasn’t so sad about it. Sigh.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming you are referring to me, I find that comment very offensive, as I would NEVER wish for anything bad to happen to anyone, regardless of which player(s) I support. There have been a lot of comments on here by everyone. I definitely have not posted near as much as you have, as you have been providing us all with up-to-date information on this whole mess. I will make no further comments.
by flyonthewall on Sep 22, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
He was referring to himself, check out his sig.
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by marcello on Sep 22, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I noticed Roger’s sig, but I do comment a lot on Pill and have received a lot of flack for it. Now that my Defenders are long gone, have been posting on other things. No as informed as most of the regulars on here.
by flyonthewall on Sep 22, 2009 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, no, I was referring to myself. Sorry if you took offense by taking that the wrong way, and feel free to continue posting.
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and PS – I warmed up to Pill after you did, so I’ll take full credit for joining the bandwagon late. :)
Brett Pill - .302/.359/.849 at the graveyard for hitters known as Dodd, .996 fielding percentage led all EL 1B (so much for his 'defensive issues' that someone posted'), probably should have been EL MVP (finished 2nd to Cleveland's top prospect), and nary a staff mention on MCC outside of Minor Lines and almost no fanposts!
by HaroldS on Sep 22, 2009 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Harold – and sorry for mistakenly calling you Roger! LOL
by flyonthewall on Sep 22, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
10-4
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by The Thrill on Sep 22, 2009 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ reply is SERIOUSLY your friend.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 22, 2009 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-4 Roger
Proud father of Dallas Mcpherson. If you have any information leading to the arrest of the person responsible for the kidnapping of my son please contact me immediately. Reward if found!
by The Thrill on Sep 23, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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