Randy Winn Is Not the Best Hitter on the Team
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
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PrintRandy Winn has been the #3 hitter in 39 games this season. Winn is one of the worst hitters in the National League this year. Randy Winn has been the #3 hitter in 39 games this season. Randy Winn is hitting in the spot normally reserved for a team’s best hitter. Even if you use traditional stats like AVG, HR, and RBI, there isn’t a way to justify him hitting that high. He hasn’t had a home run since April 25th. He isn’t hitting for average, and he’s never had an above-average walk rate. But he’s hitting third, and he’s been put there more often lately.
The Giants are still in a playoff race, kinda sorta, so maybe I should focus on the good things. Hey, they won last night. If you're cool with that, you don't have to read the rest. I'll put the jumpy thing right here.
But this is fascinating me. On some teams, Winn would have lost his job already. A 35-year-old player doesn’t need a good reason to get worse; it just happens.
Nope. He keeps his job.
Fine. On some teams, he would be pushed by younger outfielders. Say, one with a career on-base percentage above the league average, or one who spent the season embarrassing AAA pitching. The younger outfielders would get the occasional start in his stead, and until Winn produced, the younger outfielders would get more and more time.
Nah. Winn’s a fixture in the lineup, even as his production has stayed consistently awful in every month. He started 19 of 20 in April, 28 of 29 in May, 24 of 27 in June, 25 of 27 in July, 22 of 28 in August, and eight of 13 in September. He’s been slowly losing about a start each week in the past two months. No need to make any rash decisions, but at least it’s a start.
Fine. At any point, I suppose, this 35-year-old hitter could suddenly find his stroke and contribute to the offense. But to hit him third, to hit him in the spot reserved for the best hitter on the team, to hit him where Barry Bonds spent his Giants career…
Winn hitting anywhere other than third isn’t going to fix the Giants’ offense. It’s kind of a problem that he’s playing at all, but that’s not quite what this post is about. I just want one explanation, no matter how wrong it is. I want "well, he has good bat control, and he can move runners along," though that would be more applicable to a post about Winn hitting second. I want to know what possible justification there can be to use Winn as the #3 hitter rather than any other player on the roster not named Edgar Renteria or Eli Whiteside.
I want bad logic. I have a cold, I'm tired, and I'm irritable. Just give me a stupid reason – any reason – for Winn hitting #3, and I’ll slink back into my cave.
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inb4bork
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Seriously though, I'll give it a shot
Okay, there is an argument to playing Winn over Schierholtz or Bowker or Lewis which would be defense. Winn is probably one of the better defensive right fielders in baseball, if not the best, and no one knows how to play AT&T’s right field as well as he does.
But, well, Nate’s a pretty damn good defensive outfielder too. And of course, that’s just an argument for PLAYING Winn, not one for playing him and letting him bat third. So that doesn’t really help us.
Well, maybe it’s that residue from his crazy end of 2005 production that’s still skewing the team’s impression of him. Except, really, that was four years ago now and most of the current coaching staff wasn’t even with the team back then. So that’s probably no good.
He was a decent hitter the last two years, of course. Good enough that he’d be the second best hitter on the Giants. An OBP-heavy .790 OPS isn’t terrible and in the context of the Giants, it’s great. But, well, he hasn’t really shown any signs whatsoever of being that kind of hitter this year, has he? He had one decent month, in May (though he still slugged only .410 while batting .314 so it was a pretty empty month anyway.) Since then, he’s been absolutely terrible. Since the end of May, he’s hit .259/.310/.335. That’s like, Edgar Renteria full-season numbers. That’s awful
Ah, but, well, Edgar Renteria is an everyday player, right? And he bats 2nd a lot right? And obviously you can’t bat Winn 2nd because Renteria is batting second. So, the two batting spots closest to 2nd in the order are 1st and 3rd. He can’t bat 1st because Eugenio Velez is a sparkplug. But third, well, he can hit there. Therefore, Randy Winn hits third.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
one of those old Randy Winns
could hit cleanup for this crew…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 15, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No
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Tonight when the camera pans the dugout
see if anyone bears a resemblance to the above pic
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
google Swedish Chef. Contemplate who on the Giants he looks kinda like.
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Or just scroll up.
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Do we need a new McFAQ thread? It seems like someone asks about the Bork meme once a day.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
The mods should get on that….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Yeah!
Come on mods, do your jobs, dammit!
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OK but you only get one shot.
If you don’t get it right the first time, you will ride the bench, be sent down to Triple Mod, of DFA’d.
by MoreroidsforZito on Sep 15, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been thinking of making one but am too busy/lazy.
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It seems kinda late in the season for one now.
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I don’t think it matters since our references cross multiple seasons.
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Well yeah, but by the time next season’s gameday threads started, there’d be all sorts of new stuff and it’d be out of date.
I guess it would still be handy, though.
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And you’re definitely right that the references cross seasons. I’m trying to think of player-related memes that have died, and among players who’re still Giants, it’s hard to think of any! Maybe Matt Cain sucking.
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Scott!
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Porcelain meme not dead.
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Yeah, we don’t really do the Cain jinxes anymore. Though 3RD STARTER jokes are still made.
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I stopped doing the “Cain sucks” stuff since people thought it was sincere.
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I don’t remember seeing Winn called Dwight lately, but that’s not even really quite a meme.
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It’s been replaced with class.
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Unlike Zorak EPICgenio McFuckup Von Ironglove, Winn is too classy to have more than one nickname at a time.
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Velez is also Failez, which confuses me since that looks more like Feliz.
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That's why you need the full name...
…EPICgenio FAILez, for clarity.
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There has been a surprising lack of Tim the Enchanter references lately.
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SITUATION TOMKO
?
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
He’s not on the Giants anymore, so that doesn’t count.
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disagree
i yelled this out when he showed up on QUICK PITCH the other night
also apparently Rajai Davis is on the A’s now too?!?!?!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Don’t tell anyone, this is unconfirmed, but I hear the Giants might be contenders to sign Barry Bonds away from the Pirates.
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We could maybe sweeten the deal. I know this cool guy who has cheap supplements.
His name…Victor…
AH HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAH!
Honestly , just writing (evil laugh) works better.
I doan know shite.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think evil laughs are spelled ‘MUHAHAHAHHA’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a way to start a wiki or something, so that it could be continually updated?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
There’s a wiki, but no one uses it anymore .
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Nobody goes there any more, it’s too crowded.
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“Dude hits grand slams and catches no hitters – what more could you want?”
you little minx!
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Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
All you have to do is search for the McFAQ and lookin that Fanpost.
http://bluwiki.com/go/McCoveyChronicles
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I would copy the spam from the Pee Hands article, but that would put me into OGC length territory.
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Gah
I had to despam those.
BTW I found this amusing “Notes on Grammar” entry:
Commenter SFfaninNYC started a grammar thread, setting off a discussion that topped 260 posts.
I remember 260 posts seemed like an awful lot at the time…now, not so much.
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From the Memorable Posts section of the wiki
Imagine how many thousands of posts this would generate now:
NO MORE BENITEZ!!!!!Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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I think I was more into literary references back then.
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Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Where IS the elitist Boricuan , anyway?
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Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The link’s in the wiki – check there.
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Rotten Kids
Next they’ll be asking who SHA NA NA are.
[Ch. 4 aired Sha Na Na at 6:00 PM and the Muppet Show at 6:30 in 1976 debut]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Børk
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Ok, I’ve been coming here forever, and I am a Giants fan forever, but I really didn’t know that Bochy was a Frenchy. I think it’s all coming together now.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not French, really, he was just born there. His father was stationed there in the military.
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He’s not really a Frenchman. His dad was in the military and was stationed in France at the time.
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Wait, is he really not French?
Also, if you are born in France, you are French.
Plus I like the idea of him being very sophisticated, smoking European cigarettes, loving jazz, and arguing about the relative values of anarcho-socialism.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean he’s not of French ancestry.
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Also, if you are born in France, you are French.
Not really. You get automatic citizenship by being born in the United States, but that’s not the case in most countries if your parents are non-citizens. I have an aunt and uncle and cousins who live in Switzerland, and if I recall correctly your family has to have been in Switzerland for like three or four generations before you get automatic citizenship.
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(To be fair, I have no idea how the rules work in France, though. I too was speaking of ancestry. I’m not aware of Bochy being a French citizen, though.)
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Le Bork
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
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Guys, I get it. I understand that I am a citizen of an Empire with military holdings in more countries (over 100) than I would care to admit. I also understand that occasionally an unassuming, would-be catcher is born on one of those bases, and will grow up to run my favorite American baseball team into the ground.
Depending on the location, he might have actually born on US soil. For example, the D-Day memorial in Normandy is actually US property. Now, I don’t think this applies to all military bases, but there is probably some sort of weird gray area where he was never a French citizen and has no rights to citizenship.
My attempt at Xenophobic humor was to pile on the shit that we have given the French for 60+ years. So if I call Bochy a Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey, I realize that the French are not actually Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys and that Bochy is also not a Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey because he isn’t actually French in both the nationalistic, and in all likelihood, ethnic sense.
That said, Bochy is a fucking Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
AW HAW HAW LE BORK BORK BORK
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made me laugh
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This is right.
French citizenship is based on ancestry or naturalization, not on being born there. Being born and raised etc etc in France does give you a leg up on the naturalization path though.
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FIRE BOCHY FIRE MOLINA
…he’s an anchor BORKy!
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by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
His 26 career homers are the most by any player born in France.
SUCK IT! other French guy…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Justin Morneau is sorta French
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And Eric Gagne, but I’m guessing he doesn’t have a lot of home runs.
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He gave up some memorable ones.
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Reminds me of how Cristobel Huet is third all-time in NHL scoring by a Frenchman. He is a goalie, and has three career points.
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Goalie goals are my faves
they get assists fairly often, but GOALS are sweet.
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Then you’ll like this.
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Where the hell are the other goalies?
(I don’t know much about hockey…)
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Goalies are often pulled in the last minute of a losing game
In order to get another attacking player on the ice, the team that’s behind will often take out their goalie for the last minute or so of a game. Sometimes it backfires.
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There are two reasons, both that were displayed in the video:
First, the goalie was pulled in the late stages of the game so the trailing team could have an extra skater (i.e. if one team was trailing 4-2 or 4-3, they would pull their goalie so they would have 6 skaters on the ice instead of 5 skaters and a goalie). It gives a team more offense and a better chance to score, but can backfire against them and lead to empty net goals. Including ones by goalies (like Nabokov’s).
Second, there was a delayed penalty called, which is a penalty that doesn’t stop play immediately. In that case, as soon as the other team touches the puck, the whistle is blown and the play is dead. The team that the penalty was committed on can then pull their goalie to try and score between the time the penalty was called and the other team touches the puck, as that gives them a man advantage, and they don’t have to worry about the other team scoring.
For the latter, sometimes players accidentally put the puck in their own net, and so the goal goes to whoever touched it last on the other team, which sometimes happens to be the goalie.
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Five career homers…pfui!
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I remember having that guys baseball card and thinking, “WTF, France?”
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
On the subject of Bork, just wondering if anyone else knew about Google’s Swedish Chef language option. It’s pretty awesome. Lots of borks.
Forgive me if this has been posted five million times before.
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Those five million times were from nostocksjustbonds.
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BORKIAN LAW #125: Wait until hitters get hot. Don’t change lineup just in case.
ADDEUNDUM: Only works for veterans and Velez for some reason.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions
The first rule of bork...
Is you do not talk about bork.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think...
Bochy might be thinking that… Since the Giants don’t really have a legitimate middle of the order type other than Sandoval… They need to put one of their better situational hitters up in the order.. And since they want Sanchez at the 2nd spot in the lineup, they stack the 2-3 spots with similar types of players… In case Sanchez doesn’t move up the non-existant lead-off hitter who is on base, then Winn can do it.
Not saying it’s a good idea considering how bad Winn is, and how they can use any other better hitter in that spot.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
He was just a little green ball of clay
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions
Slight tangent: My 4 year old has just discovered Gumby. She begs to watch it every day.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Some of it is still pretty funny. Some of it I have to turn off – especially when the Indian chief guy comes on. That’s just awful.
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Gumby is kid's stuff
You know your children are hardcore when they get into Sid & Marty Krofft programming.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
From B.B. Borknstuf
Come away with me , Timmy , come away with me
And I will take you on a trip that ends in MVP!
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by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
He had that awesome September in ’05.
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Yeah, but he hit 11 homers in Sept. That was insane.
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Yeah, but he hit 11 homers in Sept. That wasinsaneclassy.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Eleven!
Eleven lovely home runs! Ah ah ah!
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Bad Logic #1
Randy Winn doesn’t suck against RH pitchers. He also is a decent situational hitter. With him in the #3 hole, maybe he would get the opportunity to move over one of the first two hitters so that the “big boys” can drive them in?
How’d I do?
Yeah, that’s pretty much the closest thing to logic I can come up with. Winn’s .298/.358/.410 vs. righties looks like Ted Williams on this team. Although he’s had some pretty brutal at-bats against righties lately, as well. The numbers say Winn, Velez, Lewis, and Rowand have been fine against righties this season, but man, they’ve been tough to watch a lot of the time.
I can’t really buy this logic, but I can almost buy the “what the hell” argument. With this cast of characters, the most logical lineup that could possibly be constructed would still be brutally bad. So, what the hell? Rowand leads off! Winn bats third! Wheeeeeeeee!
Well, their numbers are fine against righties and they’ve probably been tough to watch a lot of time because their good numbers against righties mean that most of them make outs 65-63% of the time against them.
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Why? Because Randy Winn had an OPS of 1.071 in the months of August and September, 2005.
And a “5” kinda looks like a “9” if you draw a little line between the curvy part and the horizontal line in the “5”.
So it’s not unreasonable to assume Randy Winn will have an OPS of 1.071 in August and September of 2009.
/bork
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I got nuthin
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
Non-sequitor, but I immediately thought of MCC when I saw this
ONLY WUSSIES HAVE CATS!!!!
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Then you’re okay with wilriv. Unless you watch chick flicks.
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Well, sure.
But the question was, what do you like to watch?
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The kid with the cats needs to have his head replaced with the staring Zito.
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by TehGreekStallion on Sep 15, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, now that I think about it, the kid on the right looks kinda like Dave Flemming.
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Wow
The resemblance is eerie
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, that’s the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
And Randy Johnson isn’t even in the picture…
Seriously though, I got a shiver up my spine making the picture. The serial killer gaze Zito holding two cats with camo pants was a bit much.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
And then Jim Carrey dumb and dumber as Lloyd in the middle
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SCIENCE
top.
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--Daisy Owl
I have no idea how Zito keeps a straight face through all of this.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I love this place for things like this
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Thanks to roger
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I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
FACT
Those cats are deadlier and far more dangerous than the fake guns the other two fairy boys are holding.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
says his swing is back
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought there was going to be a dead cat swing reference right about...here.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
His swings are of the same quality as a dead cat’s?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Randy Winn. I wish BORK wouldn’t put him in these spots that will make people forget all the good he’s done here as a Giant. He’s having a miserable year and there are several guys who can take his place. Figure it out BORK!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Team leader in steals and classiness!
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Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
Yup. I think it’s 15-11 in Winn’s favor. Of course that is counting the 2 he had last night.
78-66 - Giants Series Record: 24-16-5, 17-6 at home.
Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
Just watch them re-sign Winn and Molina. JUST WATCH.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
God no
But I have a feeling the Giants will resign one of them.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
This is why I stopped paying attention to this team.
Still in despair.
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Still in despair.
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
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by Zetsuboushita on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
are you sure? Have you checked his situational bunting stats? Or sac fly?
you know, all the ones important for a professional hitter
I don’t get it, why would Eugenio do that to Bochy?
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
People who have higher OBP's than Randy Winn on the Giants...
The LOL Category
Osiris Matos
Jeremy Affeldt
Steve Holm
The Legit Category
Pablo Sandoval
Fred Lewis
Freddy Sanchez
Juan Uribe
The Ugh Category
Andres Torres
Aaron Rowand
Travis Ishikawa
And then Winn’s pretty much in a dead heat with Velez (.319 to .316).
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Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
vs. righties, you’re only left with the LOLs, Pablo and Lewis ahead of Winn’s .358.
Just noticed that Sanchez has NEVER had an OBP vs. righties of over .355 in his entire career… dude won a batting title with a .355 OBP vs. righties in 2006. His career line vs. righties is .281/.317/.389.
I’m starting to wonder if maybe Freddy Sanchez isn’t the answer to all of our offensive problems.
The thing is, I never personally thought he was the answer to all of our offensive problems… just the problems at second base. He was and remains a huge upgrade at 2B for the Giants. The trouble is that, well, that alone was never going to be worth Tim Alderson.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
If Sanchez is really a 15M dollar player, how is he not worth Alderson?
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
(this based on his WAR outside of 2007, which seems to be an outlier)
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I argued a lot with Neifichicken about him back before we got him because I really liked the idea of acquiring him (this was before I thought he would cost Alderson!), but well, he was right that second basemen with his skillset (decent batting average, but not much in the way of secondary skills) just don’t age well (and he doesn’t really appear to be aging well at the moment). He was a 3-4 win player before 2007 but he’s now 31 going on 32 and though last year was clearly an outlier, this year is now markedly worse than his best years.
Plus before the trade there were the injuries. And since there have been more injuries. And giving Alderson for him has let us with very weak pitching depth in the upper minors and very little wiggle room for possibly making a trade for an actual impact player this offseason.
I hated the trade at the time and I only hate it more now.
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Though if he continues to put up 10-15M value for the next few years, he would be worth it right?
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose so but it seems unlikely to me that he’s going to.
And if it was, I still wouldn’t think it was the most efficient use of our resources. Maybe Sanchez was the best you could get for Alderson straight-up, but I have to think that as part of a package, the Giants could have fetched more for him.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I hate the trade too
especially since Sanchez has played like less than half of the games since it happened.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
and
that half the season went by without making the trade or any other upgrade (not MAJOR UPGRADE) at 2B.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So what are the chances that the Giants offer both Winn and Molina arbitration after this season? Last I checked, the were both Type B free agents so that should work in the Giants favor a bit. But do the Giants risk either one accepting arbitration?
I have a feeling Molina will be offered arbitration since he’ll most likely have pipe dreams of getting a multi-year contract. Winn I’d be much more hesitant to offer arbitration since all he’ll most likely be offered from other teams is a one-year deal as well.
Thoughts?
If Bochy is going to be the manager, do not offer arb to or sign either. If they’re on the roster and Bochy is the manager, we’ll see them in the line up waaaaay too often.
Give ’em both a gold watch and wish ’em well.
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Okay, now I'll try my hand at sincerity and serious baseball discussion
I absolutely hated the Randy Winn trade when it was made. Not because of who we gave up (although I was still holding out hope for Foppert and I always liked Torrealba), but because it seemed like a tone deaf move – I didn’t believe for a second that the Giants were real contenders, and I wanted them to be sellers, not buyers. I also absolutely hated the contract extension we gave him – I thought it was an overreaction to a ridiculous hot streak that wouldn’t be repeated and he was really a below-average player.
I was wrong about all that. While I wish they’d left Winn in CF instead of signing Roberts and Rowand, but that’s not Winn’s fault, is it? Up until this year, he as a solid cog in the lineup that didn’t have very many cogs, and he was also a real boon on defense.
That’s over now, though. His offense this year has been so bad that even his defense can’t justify his playing time. If he were younger, I’d think this was just a down year and I’d be okay with giving him a reasonable one-year deal for 2010, even – but he’s 35. I think he’s done. Unfortunately, I also think the Giants are too stupid to recognize that. He’ll get playing time until the bitter end and I won’t be surprised if the Giants stupidly give him a contract extension an plop him right back in RF and the top of the lineup again next year.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
Mentioning Dave Roberts reminds me
Over the offseason, I thought the fact that the Giants were willing to eat his contract was a really promising sign and maybe a turning point in organizational philosophy. They’d done similar things mid-season before, but I can’t remember them ever eating a full year’s contract – even if it was clearly the right choice, as it was with Roberts.
Obviously, though, that didn’t happen. Here we are in September, and Aurilia’s still on the roster, and even though he hasn’t played in some time he still has 123 plate appearances, which is about 50 more than any sensible person would’ve given him. We have Molina hitting in the middle of the order and Posey getting shafted and Randy Winn hitting third. It really is the same old Giants’ brain trust, isn’t it? Sigh.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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What do you think about the apparent disconnect between the FO and Bochy wrt players on the roster? The front office calls up some of the promising young guys (which would seem to indicate that mgmt finds those players to have at least some value to offer the team), but the manager rarely, if ever, uses them. I think getting rid of Roberts was the right thing to do, but there was an inconsistency there in leaving Winn and Aurilia in such prominent places when evidence of their (likely age related) decline was so obvious.
Of course, this is the same front office that signed Rowands and Renteria to undeserved contracts, and also traded for Garko with apparently no sense of how to actually use him.
I guess I’m just flummoxed.
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I really want to believe we have a Towers / Bochy / Vinny Castilla situation. But I doubt it.
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Yeah, GM’s have quite a bit to do with how much players play. The don’t construct the lineups and make in-game decisions, but the fact the Freddie, Bowkery, Poseyy, Frandseny, Garkoy, and Jesusy aren’t playing much is officially sanctioned by Sabean. Which is why he has to go.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m with Billy Beane on how the GM should view the manager. He’s middle management. He reports to the GM. He might deal with small day to day decisions, but who should get what percent of starts at a position should be the GMs call.
Not sure that this is completely typical.
The A’s certainly do it this way, and then Beane fires anybody who disagrees with him. It works. Baseball is not a democracy.
The Giants are almost certainly not as far as the A’s, but Sabean and Bochy have regular meetings on how the team is doing, they talk about who is winning in their fantasy baseball pool (catagories: grittiness, hot streaks, gamertude, bloody noses), and who “deserves” playing time. I don’t think Sabean is dictating from up-on-high as Beane might, but he certainly has a significant amount of input.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Guzzy, not Jesusy
Bowky sounds like a dog but he’s stuck with it.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Sep 15, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
“Cuz he’s fast like a cheetah on the Serengeti and if he bats lower he’ll run right up Bengie Molina’s ass.
Its gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Theres nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
/has given up on this season.
huh
and i thought the lyrics to that song didn’t make any sense because I had them wrong.
They don’t make any sense ANYWAY.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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Because Bochy is imagining that Randy Winn hasn’t aged and is the same hitter he was 3 years ago. He really really keeps hoping that Winn isn’t a .316 or whatever OBP guy with, what, 2 homeruns? every single time he writes his name into the lineup, especially in the 3rd spot. Be the other Randy Winn, be the other Randy Winn.
just give him time
and he’ll hit like the back of his baseball card.
My kid came home crying from school, today.
Seems that this red-headed bully named Grant was picking on him.
Kidding aside, we all know what it means when a 34 year old just stops hitting.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
He gets better, right?
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Kidding aside, we all know what it means when a 34 year old just stops hitting.
Time for Cialis?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He won't even need a bat anymore
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
So, I posted this in the last thread, but it’s dead now, so…
I just saw this sentence on MLBtraderumors:
Alfonso Soriano’s contract is about as untradeable as they come
He’s making the same as Zito, roughly, for the same amount of years.
He’s having a down year, and Zito has been decent this year, but if the Cubs would consider it, do you think we could/should swap the two? Would his defense be a huge step down from the plethora of dudes we’ve had in left this year?
Forgive me if this has been totally discussed at some point before and I missed it.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions
Zito: 83M with buyout (94M with option) 2010-2014
Alfonso: 90 M 2010-14
Probably not b/c we could get rid of Barry in 3 years would have alfonso for 4.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
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/falls over Brewers style
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured it had to be here somewhere. Thanks.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Soriano < 1906 earthquake and fire
and I do mean worse than.
Zito >>>>>>>>>>>>>Soriano; Soriano has no value except if you like to hate.
I think Bochy is waiting for Winn to go on one of his streaks.
Here’s to hoping he’s right
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Time’s kind of running out for that.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
yeah
you gotta admit though… last night he was taking pitches that he was flailing at last week. not sure if that means anything though.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
We’ve been noticing this lately as well. Could be an attempt to display leadership
and improve his approach simultaneously.
Hope it works, because he’s going to be in the lineup more often than not.
"The dreams ain't broken down here now, they're walking with a limp" --TW
You ask why Winn is hitting third. Unfortunately, it’s not so simple. See the Maya had a ritual during the third full moon of the year and…
Seriously, you have to start with asking another question. Who is going to be in the starting lineup? By process of elimination, Winn is in the starting lineup because all the other options make more sense. Since Bochy has basically set on who he plays daily (baring one of Sanchyyy’s injuries) who do you hit third? And…
…
You know what I was trying to explain this, but then I remembered that Rowand was hitting 8th last night and has done so many times recently. I give up. Bochy is retarded. There. There is your logic.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions
We’re arguing a point that is moot….
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
No one cares what Bengie thinks.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
How can you hear anything when his mouth is full?
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BURN!
That midsection away with the Ab-Destroyer. Order today at www.bengieisfatandcantscoreonaflyhit350ft.com
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw that episode before I knew what a moot point was. It was still hilarious. I miss Friends.
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Me too. I just rewatched the whole thing with my girlfriend who’d never seen most of it. Such a well-written show.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There were so many great lines. Like, “You’re so far past the line, you can’t even see the line! The line is a dot to you!”
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Now there’s no juice for the people who need the juice and want the juice. I need the juice!
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
moo?
TWSS
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
can I ask you, Trebek, about the penis mightier?
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you selling Anal Bum Covers?
I’ll buy 10 of them right now!
Listen, if he was the best hitter on the team, he’d be hitting cleanup. But he’s not. By batting him third he has to do the servant work of setting the table for the cleanup guy. Like all my lowly, stupid servants. If they were my good servants, they’d be out cleaning up and not getting shot with BBs. But since they’re not, they better set the table while I shoot them with BBs so that my good servants can clean up the table later.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
Holy shit!
This is some of your best work!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s finding his stroke late in the year.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
I definitely found it last night. And then again this morning.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Noooooooo!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
MACHINE!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
howtheyscoredbythemselves?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Awww, man. Whenever somebody uses my full name, that means I’m in trouble.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He bats towards the top of the lineup because ???. Plain and simple.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Fixed it.
He bats toward the top of the lineup because BOCOCK. Plain and simple.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
R U 5 BOCOCK?!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
/banned
for using “Botchy” and “underpants” in the same sentence.
/runs to shower
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Just a side note…the Bochy nickname game never gets old. It’s a guarenteed chuckle every time.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 15, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions
Which one? Idiot?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Because....
Nobody sports cool sunglasses on this team like Randy Winn. Gotta give him some extra camera time, yo.
Okay, well, Freddy Lewis. And Garko. And NEVER MIND HE ASKED FOR BAD LOGIC OK?
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
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OOZING CLASS
p.s. who changed the CSS, what’s with the pink stuff
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
what the hell is that?!?!?
fan… shut? shit?
i don’t get it
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Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
what’s with the pink stuff
TWHS!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Grants fault
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/has given up on this season.
Nobody sports leather like he does , either.
Can’t he be a DF? You know , just puts his feet up when the offense is in the process of offending.
This game could sure use a little Calvinball – type engineering…we have ALL the pieces for chaos – but our ordered arrangement is sadly lacking…
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched Winn take a nice slider from Hammel last night — a nice diving slider, the one that looks good but then tumbles down into the dirt, the one we’ve watched Rowand and Molina and Renteria and Schierholtz and Uribe and Ishikawa and Aurilia and yea even Saint Panda swing and miss on a jillion times each this year — and I thought, Aha, that’s why Bochy likes this guy in the lineup. He really is a crafty veteran hitter.
He grounded out on the next pitch, of course, but for a moment it all made sense.
to be fair
we’ve all seen Randy break down and half-wave at that exact pitch 30 times this year
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
also to be fair
The only other player on the team who might take that pitch is Fred Lewis, so I guess it can’t be Bochy’s sole criterion.
also also to be fair
Fred Lewis would have swung through a fastball down the middle right after that slider anyway.
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no swingthru
he woulda took it down the middle
(yes, Lars, that IS what she said)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
I wonder if it’s Bochy doing these vets a solid from a personal standpoint. Forget the pennate race, forget abstract fan viewpoints, he’s like “I understand you guys are mid-30s, at the end of your contracts, ok? I get that…and I’m gonna try like hell to get you in the lineup, so even if they (Ginats Brazz) don’t bring you back, someone will have the idea that you can still contribute. Hell, you batted 3rd and cleanup for a contender!”
Looking at the STATZ, Winn’s numbers from this season are pretty similar to the ones from his craptacular 2006 season except with fewer homers (he hit 11 in ‘06). Otherwise, he’s been pretty consistent throughout his career.
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On a playoff team :-(
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Just so long as it’s not OUR playoff team!
Well… I mean if he is kind of one of the key pieces to us making the playoffs, and he suddenly retires after the season, but during the season puts up an OPS+ of like 130 and shows real power… THEN maybe for our playoff team… But otherwise, please no!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
LOLineup
Velez LF
F. Sanchez 2B
Winn RF
Sandoval 3B
Molina C
Uribe SS
Ishikawa 1B
Rowand C
Zito LHP
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 15, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions
I like the two Catcher strategy
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess the wild pitch really influenced Bork’s lineup!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand can track anything down1
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Big Hole
I’m glad Bochy has faith in the speed of Velez and Winn; who needs a CF when you have them?
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another Lance Niekro
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
damn
reply fail
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Posey now down to 8th on the Catcher depth chart
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Position Change
Didn’t you see the game last night? Randy Johnson is training Buster Posey to become a pitcher since the strikeout in his one AB clearly proves he is not cut out to be a ML hitter.
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I GUESS WE AREN’T WELCOMING BACK RENTERIA AFTER ALL!
YAY!
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But he’s hitting .320 career against COL
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BENCH WARMER DOWN THE STRETCH, NERDS!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
SPLINTERS DOWN THE STRETCH, BITCHES
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LOL FRED
That and Bengie not at cleanup make this one of the best lineups of the year.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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Oh, Molina is actually playing. Even after yesterday, when I didn’t see him batting fourth I just figured it was a night off.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, is that the exact same lineup from yesterday? Has Bochy ever had the same lineup two games in a row this season?
(And, LOL, at him thinking lightning will strike twice.)
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
And the same lineup as Sunday, I think.
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Sunday:
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
LF Winn
3B Sandoval
RF Schierholtz
SS Uribe
1B Ishikawa
C Whiteside
P Penny
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well, just goes to show that I didn’t watch on Sunday!
The infield was the same though.
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Yeah, I meant to add that it was close.
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Not if the Giants’ twitter is correct and Bochy really thinks that having two catchers in the game is a good idea.
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 15, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL LARS
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I finally had to change my sig to this, cause it keeps cracking me up
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LOL FRED
I’m glad that Renteria kept himself out of the lineup
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Kuip on Garko
Did anybody hear Kuip on KNBR this morning? When they asked him about Garko, he sputtered about the opportunity cost of Garko playing being no Uribe in the lineup. After they pointed out that Garko could replace Ishikawa, Kuip said they should ask Bochy. I think Kuip also muttered something about the Cubs and Steve Stone as he was leaving but I couldn’t make it out.
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If he doesn’t start tomorrow, then I think he will get maybe 10 ABs total the rest of the year.
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Not Surprised
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sandoval playing 1B tomorrow. If Garko does start, he’ll be out of the game as soon as a RH enters the game, even if that’s in the 3rd inning.
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I feel kind of bad for him. I hope he can find a team next year.
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he is a decent player
he should have no problem
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
how about the Giants?
I heard they could use a 1B
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
so what, the Ginats will no tender Garko?
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d be surprised if they didn’t at this point.
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going forward, I think the best plan for 1B is still to platoon Ishikawa and Garko. Finally, and this part is important, BE PATIENT.
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
WINN, NOW!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
WIN, A COUPLE YEARS AGO
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Couple?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
WE'RE IN THIS, THING!
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I think it is really bad idea to have a bench player’s only ability to be a RH 1B. That is just giving up a roster spot. If he was a backup catcher and not just an emergency catcher, I would be ok with it, but he’s not, so unless he starts, he’s gotta go.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Accepted
I accepted that once Ishikawa started replacing him on a regular basis. Considering Bochy has Aurillia pinch-hitting ahead of Garko, he might get in if we have another extra-inning marathon, but that’s about it.
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He’s not old enough.
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are you implying he might get another at-bat in 5 years?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
TWWMS
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zing!
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LOL FRED
Wait, isn’t it the opposite of what WalrusMan says?
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This is the meme for which I’d like to know the origin story.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of memes
"If you want to walk, watch a mailman."--Shawon Dunston
"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
This is one of my favorite new memes.
Someone should do one with Posey.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can somebody do one with Kanye and Sabean, where Kanye says, “Yo Brian, I’m really happy you won a National League Pennant, but Bonds was one of the best of all time!”
/jumps out window
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
you could use ‘/jumps out window’ on every comment and it would still be funny every time.
/jumps out window
/has given up on this season.
Well, we are writing about the Giants. This team does induce defenestration.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
From Wikipedia's definition of defenestration
Although defenestrations can be fatal due to the height of the window through which a person is thrown, or lacerations from broken glass, the act of defenestration need not carry the intent or result of death.
/has given up on this season.
More specifically, autodefenestration.
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His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Watch the VMAs much?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t (I can’t stand MTV), but thanks to YouTube I don’t need to.
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Wow, that was actually really hilarious.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
oops, that should have been a reply to the actual youtube link… /shrug
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point i really don’t care anymore, he’s apologized more than 3 times, heard he was drunk at the show. But people blow this out of proportion, not you or anyone here, but people like here at school blew it wayyyy out of proportion
Do people really care that much to actually talk about it as anything other than fodder for a joke?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Young people apparently care about stuff like this.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel kinda bad for Taylor Swift, though. Her moment was ruined.
A girl on the interwebz and fan of the pantaloons.
Real men don't wear batting gloves.
yeah
That was really sweet of her!
A girl on the interwebz and fan of the pantaloons.
Real men don't wear batting gloves.
I felt bad for her too but I’m pretty sure she’s gonna be ok, especially after how awesome Beyonce was. I mean, he deserved to be called out as a jackass for it, but damn, come on. It was a VMA. I didn’t even know they existed anymore.
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I’m sure she can cry herself to sleep on her millions of dollars.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
She's 18
As a fellow 18-year-old, I can only imagine how mortified I would be if that happened to me.
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Fools and Sages
Well… She’s been in the game for a few years already, in front of thousands of people… you know? I see what you’re saying, but i think that she is used to the spotlight but not this sort of thing, she’s all good
Still
She’s probably all emotional, and then some dick comes up and says she doesn’t deserve it. To her face. That hurts, I don’t care how experienced or how much money you make.
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yea dude, actually you’re right, anyway you look at it there, no matter what, you’d feel awkward…. I heard PINK wanted to beat the shit out of him
Even Kelly Clarkson was pissed at him, and she never speaks out on stuff like that.
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She doesn’t ever hook up, either. She takes it slow.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Take it slow?
Hook up?
Hook up all real slow – like…and then…take it?
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus, like, is it really a surprise that Kanye West was a jackass? Come on now. The meme is hilarious but I’m glad all the pearl clutching has died down.
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Seriously, a Kanye West apologist?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIg2xzeZiM
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I, too, was ignorant
until my wife asked me if I knew about what happened last night with Kanye West. I responded with “um, did he act like a self-important jerk?” Yep. Yep, he did.
The baseball Satanist
You need context to know that Kanye West is a jackass?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
kanye>wayne
i’m meh on wayne,occasionally something will be worth listening to, but don’t count on it. kanye on the other hand, has some really good stuff, but his arrogance puts a damper on his music. but they’re not close to common, nas, tupac, t.i., etc
What is the genre here?
That all these one – name wonders crank out?
Is it steeped in generations of tradition and history?
Will it ever be played after a ball game in a ballpark for time everlasting?
Or hey – how about this – does it soothe the savage beast or make him want to cap somebody in the ass…“yo”?
fucking trend – of – the – historical month.
Right up there on the list of monumental social significance with the sagging pants and sideways cap.
Old dude out.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the sagging pants and crooked cap are pretty stupid.
I seriously doubt Vic’s opinion was driven in bigotry.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Sangging pants, crooked cap, “make him want to cap somebody in the ass…"yo"?”
Those are vestiges of old so-called gangsta rap. Not a bigoted rant, but suuuper moldy
Half-awake, half-baked
From Wiki
The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.
Well , toss any ideas my distaste (Really virulent distaste) is color – coordinated , because it isn’t…but I’ll go along with the rest.
I did think about it later , how I’m really not very well versed enought to make anything more than a knee – jerk reaction/condemnation , but I’m not going to be petitioning for funding for something investigative…ehh , live and let live.
But get your saggy pants off my lawn.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No, seriously. He’s bad. Also, a classless narcissist. But I’m old, so feel free to ignore…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
(preens)
(preens some more)
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I, on the other hand, am content in this case to remain ignorant.
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Suck up
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GROUGTHINK
Wait, what does groug think?
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For example, if I’d done some thinking there I wouldn’t have used the third person. But that’s not how I roll, baby.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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they’ve been betting on the come with Winn; hasn’t happened in retrospect.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
How can 3 hours go by without the correct answer?
Pure unadulterated CLASS is why he bats 3rd
We are all the McCoven and we are all Pedro Feliz
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Best picture ever.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
no wonder he hasn’t hit this year
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That is hilarious!
A girl on the interwebz and fan of the pantaloons.
Real men don't wear batting gloves.
I need a hat like that.
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i need a bat like that [not]
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
spats—is that a Magowan thing, like the cream uniforms?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I promise to stop after this one
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OT
But did anyone else see that the UC system is looking to raise tuition by 30% as of 2010? Am I the only one that thinks this is nuts? I mean, I don’t have a solution for the budget, but good gravy, kids are already being drowned in debt.
omg
making people pay market costs for college instead of subsidizing it off the backs of taxpayers?
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Right, because society doesn’t get anything back in exchange for allowing more people to have access to higher education.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Now you stole my $5 word. You sir/sirette, are officially my nemesis.
/stankeye
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
/has no health care to speak of
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Just stand still son , and try not to breathe.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If you do this long enough, you can avoid paying taxes!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS AND STUFF
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The vast majority of people work in fields completely unrelated to their college degrees.
Taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for anyone to get BAs in English lit or Poly Sci.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Yeah!
Eff people who aren’t trying to be doctors! Every person who has ever earned a medical degree has done nothing but help society!
90% of the people who get BAs
Dont need them to do the jobs they’ll end up doing. That’s all I’m saying.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
They may not work in the field they studied, but a large percent of those jobs do require undergraduate degrees.
Check out the difference in average salary between high school grads and college grads sometime. It’s not insubstantial.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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That's the employers fault
We need to reform our society so that everyone understands that people are going out and getting themselves into tremendous debt, all to get a piece of paper that says they’re smart but does nothing for society.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
We need to reform our society
Okay, I can get with that.
people are going out and getting themselves into tremendous debt, all to get a piece of paper that says they’re smart but does nothing for society
No.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.ericdigests.org/2003-3/value.htm
A number of studies have shown a high correlation between higher education and cultural and family values, and economic growth. According to Elchanan Cohn and Terry Geske (1992), there is the tendency for more highly educated women to spend more time with their children; these women tend to use this time to better prepare their children for the future. Cohn and Geske (1992) report that “college graduates appear to have a more optimistic view of their past and future personal progress.”
Public benefits of attending college include increased tax revenues, greater workplace productivity, increased consumption, increased workforce flexibility, and decreased reliance on government financial support (Institute for Higher Education Policy, 1998).
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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But not all education is created equally. The question is, does it serve everyone in society to attend a 4-year college? I don’t think so.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
well, no
but ,in theory at least, the system will flush those people out after 1-2 years, if that.
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--Daisy Owl
also
4 year schools are different from technical schools in that the actual knowledge you acquire in the subject of your degree often help you very little if at all with your next job. However, the skills you acquire gaining that knowledge, which can usually be applied much more broadly, are very important.
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No. But that’s not the question.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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And for the record
My argument would be that not everyone should go to college, but everyone should have access to college if they want to go and have the academic credentials.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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this
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
But the playing field isn’t level. There are numerous incentives for a person to get a 2.0 Sociology degree from The University of Mediocre.
Not just the immediate financial incentives (subsidized loans, grants, etc), but sociological, as the person who goes to “college” is held in greater esteem in our society than the skilled worker who may have gone to a trade school or community college.
As a society, I wish we could change our view of the 4-year college as the be-all of achievement in our society—-we owe it to our skilled blue-collar workers.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
well, to be fair
the skilled blue-collar workers usually end up making more money quicker (and without the debt of student loans) than those “undeserving” college grads.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Just to be clear, I did not use the word “undeserving”. I am fine with public education. I just wish we could tweak it in some way so that people’s skills are better reflected in the educational choices they make.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Sure, but I don’t think that valuing education and valuing blue-collar work need be mutually exclusive.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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I am not in favor of removing the current incentives for 4-year universities. I just wish we could create additional incentives for different types of education.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I’m having a hard time seeing student loans – even though subsidized – as an “incentive” in this context.
“Let’s see, I could go get a job now…or I could go to college for a few years, rack up $40,000 in debt, and then get the exact same job. Dude!”
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I said “subsidized loans”. When I went to school I received government subsidized loans, AKA free money.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
You still had to pay them back, right?
And once you weren’t in school you were charged interest on them? How is that free money?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Well, free for a while.
Personally, I gamed the system by borrowing money from family to actually pay for college, and sticking the loan money in the bank and gaining interest from it.
The loan was not need-based so I suspect a lot of people do this.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
well
that’s a problem with the system, and one that raising tuition definitely won’t solve.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Dude. Please point out where I said that we should raise tuition, or even mess with the way 4-year colleges are treated. I am not GiantPain.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
But what you are, though,
is 5.
And yeah, those arguments got mixed up.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
It's exactly the question
State schools are taxpayer subsidies for 4 year education. Not everyone who WANTS to go to college NEEDS to go to college, and its foolish to have taxpayers pay for people who dont need to go to college.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
who, exactly
NEEDS to go to college? I mean, yeah, if someone says they want to be a plumber or auto mechanic or something, they shouldn’t go to a 4 year school, but I don’t think there are very many people who aspire to those careers who go to 4 year schools anyways.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Doctors, scientists, engineers, matheticians.
Almost anyone not getting a BA needs to go to college.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
My sister is getting a BA in philosophy. She will not be a philosopher. She is going to be a teacher. You need a 4 year degree to enter any teaching program, because the skills you are supposed to acquire getting a 4 year degree are essential to the job.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
A teacher!? All she’ll be doing is coddling kids with gosh-dern taxpayer-subsidized education. No value in that.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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Even worse if she’s working at a taxpayer-funded public school, perpetuating the vicious cycle of education.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Sure
But the problem with a public university is, you can’t tell who those people are.
If you make people pay full price for college, you’ll have less people who don’t need to go to college going.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
no
you’ll have less poor people going.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
but then again
I guess those poor people should just know their stations and stick to their blue collar futures without any hope of improving themselves.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Poor people can’t afford college anyways. Even UCs run in the tens of thousands for 4 years.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Oh, and tacking on 30% to that will totally help, right?
Also, student loans / grants / scholarships help a lot.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Private universities give financial aid too
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
but again
they’d have to give more. The total cost would go up, which would price some people out, and I’d venture to guess that there are a lot fewer economically disadvantaged people pursuing 4 year degrees “for the wrong reasons” (read, reasons you disagree with / don’t understand) than there are rich kids whose parents essentially force them to go and will pay for it regardless.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Not necessarily
You’ll just have more people in debt, just like Cash for Clunkers…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
what?
where did the C4C thing come from?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
It involves debt and government money and sounded better in my head than it looks there.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
iirc
the problem with C4C was that it was too successful. The gov’t didn’t expect that so many people would go for it, so they ran out of money too fast.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I think the point he is trying to make is that, now, all of these people who previously couldn’t afford a new car are now making payments on just that.
It remains to be seen if people will have trouble making the payments.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Not sure where the poverty line is but at the time of my enrollment my mom made about 30K/year. Without government backed loans I wouldn’t have been able to go.
/has given up on this season.
I’d say that more people in my acquaintance can do advance mathematics than can tell me the difference between a modifier and an antecedent.
Also, you forgot lawyers. The most useful profession of all.
People may talk about how useless lawyers are, but if they were falsely accused of murder I’m guessing they’d find one or two useful.
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pff
what’d THAT GUY ever do
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Yeah, that 2% of the entire lawyer community is pretty useful. =P
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Sometimes we also set you free from a crazy ex-wife! We’re good, dammit!
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And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Good at emptying my wallet!
Divorce in California…YAY =/
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
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Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Really?
Call Ron Shapiro when your toilet backs up then.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
GiantPain is right in that fewer people need to get crappy BA’s in Sociology. Many of those people should be getting a more trade-oriented education (plumbing, electrical work, etc).
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
Yes, the need for plumbers is going to skyrocket.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
note that smarter people are more likely to get college degrees. smart people tend to be paid more.
correllation <> causation.
This is also a very problematic thing to say.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
SHUT IT COLLEGE BOY!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
In my blue collar , uneducated mind
I’m getting this really ugly picture of folks who can’t afford to get sick and folks who can’t afford to get smart.
And now I know why the Six Dollar Portobello Mushroom Burger tastes better in California…because I’m a cannibal.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong. The people more likely to get degrees are the ones who were born into families with the means to educate them. Plenty of dumbasses get through college.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
lol upside down weiner
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually… I guess that’s the way they normally are most of the time….
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s a very specific number.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I made it up
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
If you had gone to college on the back of taxpayers, you would know the real answer.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes! Only offspring of the well to do deserve their useless degrees!
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha! Another topic in (or near, TBH) my academic neighborhood.
1. It’s pretty well demonstrated that going to college raises worker productivity even in unskilled jobs. (And yes this effect can be seperated from the effects of native intelligence).
2. GiantPain is almost certainly right that we send too many people to four year schools .
3. GiantPain is also right that education is probably the biggest subsidy paid out to the American middle-class.
4. Everyone else is right that there are a lot of public benefits from education that are shared in by everyone else. Education absolutely should be publicly subsidized, but that also means we should spend a lot of time thinking and arguing over the distribution and use of that subsidy.
hope I’ve muddled that further for everyone
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
yes
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t know Clown College was so highly ranked. Hmm…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Victor Frankenstein walks to a closet and opens the door.
He pulls out a rectangular metal tool box.
He opens the lid , and removes the tray of various hand tools.
He then reaches in and pulls out an aluminum 14 in. pipe wrench manufactured in Elyria , OH by the Ridgid Tool Company…
…and kisses it.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I did one in HS. I forget the cause but the school decided to call it a half day the day before the wqalk out so it was really ineffective
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2009 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I did one in HS because I wanted an excuse to not go to class.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
You needed an excuse? Things have changed…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2009 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I concede
I’m gonna go play some videogames until gametime. Since no one was really agreeing with me, the other side wins.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I somewhat agree with you
This just isn’t where I want to lay out my argument. I’d rather argue about more important things, like Randy Winn and Bruce Bochy.
And pie.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Randy Winn didn't need to go to college.
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this is a heartbreaking discussion
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
when I was at UCLA
from 1988-1992 Tuition (fees) went up 400% in those 4 years, from ~$300/quarter to $1200.
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Remember when...
A lot of people thought the idea of trading him for Derrek Lee would have been horrible for the Giants?
No
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I never thought that. He was a white whale for me back when he ended up getting traded to the Cubs for Hee-Seop Choi.
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Hee-Seop Choi...
Wow, I forgot all about that guy.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
For those who don't remember
by NeifiChicken on Sep 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
How come you remember that but not Fanposts similar to yours (Soriano for Zito and others)? Just curious is all.
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I don’t follow McC every day. I literally never saw or participated in the original Soriano-Zito thread. This thread however, I did participate in
by NeifiChicken on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
although looking back, it seemed most were on board, but it stuck out in my mind because those against it are poster I feel are fairly smart
by NeifiChicken on Sep 15, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I only really see one person (rfloh) saying it would be a bad trade for the Giants. I see a whole lot of others saying it’d be good for the Giants but the Cubs would never do it. And I stood on the sidelines and made silly tangential comments.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I remember hearing alot about Cain for Lee
Which in that case yes, Derrek Lee would have been horrible for the Giants.
As a FA or something, its different.
Randy Winn, 6th worst hitter in the league…
still not the worst hitter on the Giants…
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
He is a Giants fan, you know.
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5th worst hitter on the Giants
#1 threat to America: Pandas
Also, Tim Lincecum
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Having watched the Giants at the plate this year it’s not difficult to imagine most of them being tied for worst hitter in the league.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 15, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
by what measure
just out of curiosity
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I was just a literal translation of Grant’s link above
Which was sorted by OPS+
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
aha
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Prince Fielders OPS: 1.001
Remind me why we don’t trade Cain for him?
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
lol
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"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/9/15/1031675/cain-for-fielder-the-rumor-that
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm actually interested in the argument though
Don’t get me wrong, I love me some Matt Cain.
But what’s the counterpoint? Why not do it? Is it because Cain is younger/cheaper, or what?
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
-Who replaces Cain?
-Money
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"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Penny/Bumgarner
The money I understand
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Fielder is an asshole who tries to break into opposing teams’ locker rooms. Cain is a nice country boy.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He tried to do it to the Giants too. When Sanchez beaned him.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Even though Sanchez’s was pretty clearly accidental.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I’m pretty sure that was awesome.
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"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Who knows what Penny will comman in the market if he continues to pitch this well and I don’t know if anyone thinks that MadBum is ready except maybe Buster Olney.
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"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Money replaces Cain?
I never knew Bengie could pitch.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
It probably wouldn’t be a great move long-term, as Pablo will probably need to move to 1st eventually.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
why
do people keep saying this?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
LOL FAT
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
Probability based on body type. If he can stick at 3rd without costing us runs, he will be unique in the history of baseball.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
well
he’s at third now, and not costing us (very many) runs. (he’s below average but not terrible). He’s also what, 22? Yeah in 4-5 years it might be an issue, but I don’t think that he’s going to suddenly go from below average to not worth it in the next year or 2.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
in other words
if he does have to move to first, it will probably be right around the time Fielder’s contract is up.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Pablo has a -5.7 rating on UZR. Distinctly below average.
I really only want to trade Cain for someone we can lock-up long term, and since locking up Fielder long-term seems like a bad idea, I don’t know if he is the right guy to target.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I thought
Fielder WAS locked up long term
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
also
yes, below average, but not so bad that he’d have to be moved to first.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Fielder becomes arb eligible in 2011, so assuming we came to terms with him then, he’d be locked up one more year than Cain currently is.
Also, Fielder, despite his name, is pretty cruddy with the glove. So we’d be stuck with two overweight guys who can’t play average defense.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
well, true.
I don’t really care so much about Cain-Fielder, but I just think that “because Pablo might need to move to first eventually” isn’t a good argument against it.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Yeah, I see that. Perhaps I shouldn’t have lead off with that.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
*I misspoke. Fielder is only under control as long as Cain is: two more years.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
he should move to catcher
Buster Posey can be traded for Evan Longoria type talent.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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The issue can be summed up thusly:
A few fucking morons keeps a fucking moron employed as GM. The fucking moron GM hires a brain dead fucking moron as field manager. This particular brain dead fucking moron does what only a brain dead fucking moron can do, namely, screw the pooch at every opportunity.
Hopefully this clears up any confusion as to why Randy fucking Winn is batting third(or at all) in the Giants lineup.
Science!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
This Thread
was supposed to be about how good Randy Winn is but instead got hijacked by Kanye West and college students. I’m disappointed- Classy Randy deserves better.
Imma let you finish, but Fred Lewis is one of the best hitters of ALL TIME.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Sep 15, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
given the persistence of the Kayne West meme
here on MCC and I presume thoroughout the blogosphere… NAY INTERNET ITSELF.
I can only assume MTV put him up to it, so that people will once again pay attention to the MTV music awards.
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unfair feelgood stat comparison of the week
The Washington Nationals cleanup hitter has 8 times more walks this season than the Giants’ cleanup hitter.
GITP:: Rowand
He’s also probably given up 8 times as many runs.
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Winn hitting 3rd is as ridiculous as Molina batting 4th since 2007. Bochi is basically a good manager. And thats about it…basic. I think Winn should be batting 8th if in the lineup at all. U have lots of other guys to platoon. I think Bochi must be afraid of Molina. He is not a 4th hitter.. 18 homeruns with a . 260 batting avg. give me a freaking break… how about letting Buster Posey pinch hit…is that so unrealistic?
Papa, you are amazing. I’m listening to you on the TV plus u r posting on the internet. Amazing.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 15, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Cognitive Dissonance Theory
Cognitive dissonance theory suggests that when you believe in something and are confronted by facts that dispute that assumption, you will ignore those facts and seek only the facts and beliefs that justify your behavior.
In this case, Bochy, and Sabean, believe Winn is the .300 hitter of yesteryear, a productive veteran who has been in a funk all season and who is about to break out. They have repeatedly said that veterans will end up with their veterany numbers, so they are waiting for Winn to get the 22 consecutive hits he’ll need to match his average from the last two years.
Rent hurting:
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
Take as much time as you want, Edgar.
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Shortstop Edgar Renteria is out for the second consecutive game because of soreness in both shoulders.
Gumby shoulders?
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LITTLE GREEN BALL OF CLAY, NERDS!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
FUNNY DOWN THE STRETCH, BITCHES
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
Seriously, time to shut him down. Bone chip and all this soreness and he can’t hit his way out of a paper bag right now.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
Wouldn’t it be cool if he got surgery over the winter and went back to being decent next year?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
That would be nice.
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Heck, maybe he should get a head start on it right now!
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Think it could actually happen, though?
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How about decent enough to help the team, but not good enough for Sabean to sign him to a massive extension?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
I will take something like Omar’s line from ’07.
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Er, yeah. I think we are already seeing ’07 Omar.
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I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
LOL FRED
according to “The Book”, the team’s best hitters should actually hit 2nd (more OBP oriented) and 4th (more power oriented), the next best goes 1st (again more OBP oriented). the 4th and 5th best go in the 3rd (more power oriented) and 5th spots (more OBP oriented).
so at least winn isn’t hitting 1st, 2nd or 4th.
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by TimLincecumIsGod on Sep 15, 2009 5:53 PM PDT reply actions
Funny, I was going to post this but figured, eh, nobody is going to read 700 comments down. Then I read all 700 comments and just made it to you. Well done!
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by lyricalkiller on Sep 15, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not "the Book".
That’s Nerd-Ass Monkey-Fuck Bullshit which I already posted about over 2 weeks ago.
Best BA hitters go #3.
That’s BASEBALL, Bitches!
That is the classic book… on-base/speed first, contact/batcontrol second, best overall hitter third and best power fourth. I don’t know what that has to do with the sexual practices of the smaller primates.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2009 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Why bat Winn 3rd?
Because of the Law of Veterinitude, he can’t move Bengie out of the 4 hole, UNLESS a consequent move of another veteran player frees up the one universally recognized good player with the most power on your team to bat there instead.
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Why bat Winn third?
Bochy doesnt want the AARP on his ass.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 9:35 PM PDT reply actions
Bruce Bochy's reply to Grant
“You need Winn in the line-up because he is 35, and you just can’t beat veteran savy. Why do you think Dave Roberts started as many games as he did”
Brian Sabean – “Yea… that sounds about right.”
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Uh, cuz he’s hitting .333 over his past six games with a .500 OBP and plays good D? Of course, they’re all singles and he has No RBI. Oh, but he does have 2 steals and 3 runs scored!
I don’t know, grasping at straws here, but do you really think that Bowker or Lewis should be in the 3 spot instead? Not saying Winn should just… they don’t have any hitters period.
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