Randy Winn Is Not the Best Hitter on the Team
by Grant on Sep 15, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
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Randy Winn has been the #3 hitter in 39 games this season. Winn is one of the worst hitters in the National League this year. Randy Winn has been the #3 hitter in 39 games this season. Randy Winn is hitting in the spot normally reserved for a team’s best hitter. Even if you use traditional stats like AVG, HR, and RBI, there isn’t a way to justify him hitting that high. He hasn’t had a home run since April 25th. He isn’t hitting for average, and he’s never had an above-average walk rate. But he’s hitting third, and he’s been put there more often lately.
The Giants are still in a playoff race, kinda sorta, so maybe I should focus on the good things. Hey, they won last night. If you're cool with that, you don't have to read the rest. I'll put the jumpy thing right here.
But this is fascinating me. On some teams, Winn would have lost his job already. A 35-year-old player doesn’t need a good reason to get worse; it just happens.
Nope. He keeps his job.
Fine. On some teams, he would be pushed by younger outfielders. Say, one with a career on-base percentage above the league average, or one who spent the season embarrassing AAA pitching. The younger outfielders would get the occasional start in his stead, and until Winn produced, the younger outfielders would get more and more time.
Nah. Winn’s a fixture in the lineup, even as his production has stayed consistently awful in every month. He started 19 of 20 in April, 28 of 29 in May, 24 of 27 in June, 25 of 27 in July, 22 of 28 in August, and eight of 13 in September. He’s been slowly losing about a start each week in the past two months. No need to make any rash decisions, but at least it’s a start.
Fine. At any point, I suppose, this 35-year-old hitter could suddenly find his stroke and contribute to the offense. But to hit him third, to hit him in the spot reserved for the best hitter on the team, to hit him where Barry Bonds spent his Giants career…
Winn hitting anywhere other than third isn’t going to fix the Giants’ offense. It’s kind of a problem that he’s playing at all, but that’s not quite what this post is about. I just want one explanation, no matter how wrong it is. I want "well, he has good bat control, and he can move runners along," though that would be more applicable to a post about Winn hitting second. I want to know what possible justification there can be to use Winn as the #3 hitter rather than any other player on the roster not named Edgar Renteria or Eli Whiteside.
I want bad logic. I have a cold, I'm tired, and I'm irritable. Just give me a stupid reason – any reason – for Winn hitting #3, and I’ll slink back into my cave.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though, I'll give it a shot
Okay, there is an argument to playing Winn over Schierholtz or Bowker or Lewis which would be defense. Winn is probably one of the better defensive right fielders in baseball, if not the best, and no one knows how to play AT&T’s right field as well as he does.
But, well, Nate’s a pretty damn good defensive outfielder too. And of course, that’s just an argument for PLAYING Winn, not one for playing him and letting him bat third. So that doesn’t really help us.
Well, maybe it’s that residue from his crazy end of 2005 production that’s still skewing the team’s impression of him. Except, really, that was four years ago now and most of the current coaching staff wasn’t even with the team back then. So that’s probably no good.
He was a decent hitter the last two years, of course. Good enough that he’d be the second best hitter on the Giants. An OBP-heavy .790 OPS isn’t terrible and in the context of the Giants, it’s great. But, well, he hasn’t really shown any signs whatsoever of being that kind of hitter this year, has he? He had one decent month, in May (though he still slugged only .410 while batting .314 so it was a pretty empty month anyway.) Since then, he’s been absolutely terrible. Since the end of May, he’s hit .259/.310/.335. That’s like, Edgar Renteria full-season numbers. That’s awful
Ah, but, well, Edgar Renteria is an everyday player, right? And he bats 2nd a lot right? And obviously you can’t bat Winn 2nd because Renteria is batting second. So, the two batting spots closest to 2nd in the order are 1st and 3rd. He can’t bat 1st because Eugenio Velez is a sparkplug. But third, well, he can hit there. Therefore, Randy Winn hits third.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of those old Randy Winns
could hit cleanup for this crew…
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 15, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone essplain to me where the term “Bork” came from?
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight when the camera pans the dugout
see if anyone bears a resemblance to the above pic
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then discover “The Muppets”…it was a show
Half-awake, half-baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 15, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the reference I was looking for. Thanks.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
google Swedish Chef. Contemplate who on the Giants he looks kinda like.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or just scroll up.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we need a new McFAQ thread? It seems like someone asks about the Bork meme once a day.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mods should get on that….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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by baetown415 on Sep 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
Come on mods, do your jobs, dammit!
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK but you only get one shot.
If you don’t get it right the first time, you will ride the bench, be sent down to Triple Mod, of DFA’d.
by MoreroidsforZito on Sep 15, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been thinking of making one but am too busy/lazy.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems kinda late in the season for one now.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it matters since our references cross multiple seasons.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, but by the time next season’s gameday threads started, there’d be all sorts of new stuff and it’d be out of date.
I guess it would still be handy, though.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you’re definitely right that the references cross seasons. I’m trying to think of player-related memes that have died, and among players who’re still Giants, it’s hard to think of any! Maybe Matt Cain sucking.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott!
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum made of porcelain
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Porcelain meme not dead.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. I missed the dead part.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we don’t really do the Cain jinxes anymore. Though 3RD STARTER jokes are still made.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stopped doing the “Cain sucks” stuff since people thought it was sincere.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stopped doing it because it stopped working.
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by groug on Sep 15, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember seeing Winn called Dwight lately, but that’s not even really quite a meme.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s been replaced with class.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike Zorak EPICgenio McFuckup Von Ironglove, Winn is too classy to have more than one nickname at a time.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Velez is also Failez, which confuses me since that looks more like Feliz.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you need the full name...
…EPICgenio FAILez, for clarity.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There has been a surprising lack of Tim the Enchanter references lately.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SITUATION TOMKO
?
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
by El Person on Sep 15, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not on the Giants anymore, so that doesn’t count.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
i yelled this out when he showed up on QUICK PITCH the other night
also apparently Rajai Davis is on the A’s now too?!?!?!
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t tell anyone, this is unconfirmed, but I hear the Giants might be contenders to sign Barry Bonds away from the Pirates.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO WAYYYYYYYY, this would make my night! haha, my night just got a whole lot more interesting, what more could i ask for? oh yea! there’s a game tonight!
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RECORD BREAKING CONTRACT OVER 40 MILLION!!!!
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DO NOT WANTTTTT!!!!!!!!!! what about 40 million/ 10 million and we’ll give him that
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could maybe sweeten the deal. I know this cool guy who has cheap supplements.
His name…Victor…
AH HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAH!
Honestly , just writing (evil laugh) works better.
I doan know shite.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think evil laughs are spelled ‘MUHAHAHAHHA’.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sell cheap supplements?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Sep 15, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a way to start a wiki or something, so that it could be continually updated?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Sep 15, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a wiki, but no one uses it anymore .
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody goes there any more, it’s too crowded.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Dude hits grand slams and catches no hitters – what more could you want?”
you little minx!
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We had one but everyone always lost the link and it got invaded by spambots
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
^ justifies mods’ lazyness
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked for the McC Wiki link, but couldn’t find it.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All you have to do is search for the McFAQ and lookin that Fanpost.
http://bluwiki.com/go/McCoveyChronicles
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun spam rom the Watheny article
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Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would copy the spam from the Pee Hands article, but that would put me into OGC length territory.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gah
I had to despam those.
BTW I found this amusing “Notes on Grammar” entry:
Commenter SFfaninNYC started a grammar thread, setting off a discussion that topped 260 posts.
I remember 260 posts seemed like an awful lot at the time…now, not so much.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even that Rohlinger thread from last year, everyone was so impressed that we got, what, 600+ comments in like 3 hours? That’s been routine this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Memorable Posts section of the wiki
Imagine how many thousands of posts this would generate now:
NO MORE BENITEZ!!!!!Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I was more into literary references back then.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol wilriv calling LeBron James LBJ
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
VICE PRESIDENT LEBRON JAMES!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where IS the elitist Boricuan , anyway?
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead in a ditch somewhere with sharksrog.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The link’s in the wiki – check there.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotten Kids
Next they’ll be asking who SHA NA NA are.
[Ch. 4 aired Sha Na Na at 6:00 PM and the Muppet Show at 6:30 in 1976 debut]
by hokysmksbw on Sep 16, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Børk
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I’ve been coming here forever, and I am a Giants fan forever, but I really didn’t know that Bochy was a Frenchy. I think it’s all coming together now.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not French, really, he was just born there. His father was stationed there in the military.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not French, he’s Swedish.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Sep 15, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not really a Frenchman. His dad was in the military and was stationed in France at the time.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, is he really not French?
Also, if you are born in France, you are French.
Plus I like the idea of him being very sophisticated, smoking European cigarettes, loving jazz, and arguing about the relative values of anarcho-socialism.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean he’s not of French ancestry.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if you are born in France, you are French.
Not really. You get automatic citizenship by being born in the United States, but that’s not the case in most countries if your parents are non-citizens. I have an aunt and uncle and cousins who live in Switzerland, and if I recall correctly your family has to have been in Switzerland for like three or four generations before you get automatic citizenship.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(To be fair, I have no idea how the rules work in France, though. I too was speaking of ancestry. I’m not aware of Bochy being a French citizen, though.)
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Le Bork
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, I get it. I understand that I am a citizen of an Empire with military holdings in more countries (over 100) than I would care to admit. I also understand that occasionally an unassuming, would-be catcher is born on one of those bases, and will grow up to run my favorite American baseball team into the ground.
Depending on the location, he might have actually born on US soil. For example, the D-Day memorial in Normandy is actually US property. Now, I don’t think this applies to all military bases, but there is probably some sort of weird gray area where he was never a French citizen and has no rights to citizenship.
My attempt at Xenophobic humor was to pile on the shit that we have given the French for 60+ years. So if I call Bochy a Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey, I realize that the French are not actually Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys and that Bochy is also not a Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey because he isn’t actually French in both the nationalistic, and in all likelihood, ethnic sense.
That said, Bochy is a fucking Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkey.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AW HAW HAW LE BORK BORK BORK
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
made me laugh
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by bondslegend on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is right.
French citizenship is based on ancestry or naturalization, not on being born there. Being born and raised etc etc in France does give you a leg up on the naturalization path though.
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by kennv on Sep 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
…he’s an anchor BORKy!
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by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His 26 career homers are the most by any player born in France.
SUCK IT! other French guy…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Morneau is sorta French
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Eric Gagne, but I’m guessing he doesn’t have a lot of home runs.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He gave up some memorable ones.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagne is French Canadian. A damn, dirty, evil French Canadian. But since that’s all redundant, we just call them French Canadian.
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by JRPhillips on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminds me of how Cristobel Huet is third all-time in NHL scoring by a Frenchman. He is a goalie, and has three career points.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goalie goals are my faves
they get assists fairly often, but GOALS are sweet.
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by bondslegend on Sep 15, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you’ll like this.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell are the other goalies?
(I don’t know much about hockey…)
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goalies are often pulled in the last minute of a losing game
In order to get another attacking player on the ice, the team that’s behind will often take out their goalie for the last minute or so of a game. Sometimes it backfires.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are two reasons, both that were displayed in the video:
First, the goalie was pulled in the late stages of the game so the trailing team could have an extra skater (i.e. if one team was trailing 4-2 or 4-3, they would pull their goalie so they would have 6 skaters on the ice instead of 5 skaters and a goalie). It gives a team more offense and a better chance to score, but can backfire against them and lead to empty net goals. Including ones by goalies (like Nabokov’s).
Second, there was a delayed penalty called, which is a penalty that doesn’t stop play immediately. In that case, as soon as the other team touches the puck, the whistle is blown and the play is dead. The team that the penalty was committed on can then pull their goalie to try and score between the time the penalty was called and the other team touches the puck, as that gives them a man advantage, and they don’t have to worry about the other team scoring.
For the latter, sometimes players accidentally put the puck in their own net, and so the goal goes to whoever touched it last on the other team, which sometimes happens to be the goalie.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Five career homers…pfui!
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember having that guys baseball card and thinking, “WTF, France?”
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the subject of Bork, just wondering if anyone else knew about Google’s Swedish Chef language option. It’s pretty awesome. Lots of borks.
Forgive me if this has been posted five million times before.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those five million times were from nostocksjustbonds.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is funny, have tried facebook’s english(pirate)?
by toofruss on Sep 15, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he took 2 walks in that victory over the Dodgers, and thus he can get on base in front of Pablo and Molina, who, as we all know, “is a RBI guy”
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by jctGamer on Sep 15, 2009 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BORKIAN LAW #125: Wait until hitters get hot. Don’t change lineup just in case.
ADDEUNDUM: Only works for veterans and Velez for some reason.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 15, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The first rule of bork...
Is you do not talk about bork.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve seen a lot more Bork lately. That means someone has been breaking the first rule of Bork.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 for 4 on Sunday so obviously his bat is back!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 15, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the final rule. So long as Randy is above the age of 32, and can hit above .220, he will remain a top of the order/heart of the order hitter.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Sep 15, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamer
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Sep 15, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
Bochy might be thinking that… Since the Giants don’t really have a legitimate middle of the order type other than Sandoval… They need to put one of their better situational hitters up in the order.. And since they want Sanchez at the 2nd spot in the lineup, they stack the 2-3 spots with similar types of players… In case Sanchez doesn’t move up the non-existant lead-off hitter who is on base, then Winn can do it.
Not saying it’s a good idea considering how bad Winn is, and how they can use any other better hitter in that spot.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He was just a little green ball of clay
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Slight tangent: My 4 year old has just discovered Gumby. She begs to watch it every day.
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by can of corn on Sep 15, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of it is still pretty funny. Some of it I have to turn off – especially when the Indian chief guy comes on. That’s just awful.
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by can of corn on Sep 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gumby is kid's stuff
You know your children are hardcore when they get into Sid & Marty Krofft programming.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From B.B. Borknstuf
Come away with me , Timmy , come away with me
And I will take you on a trip that ends in MVP!
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had that awesome September in ’05.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was more than just September.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he hit 11 homers in Sept. That was insane.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he hit 11 homers in Sept. That wasinsaneclassy.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
11! 11 (!)
wow…looking back, it doesnt seem like it was that many
by sfoakbay on Sep 15, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eleven!
Eleven lovely home runs! Ah ah ah!
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Logic #1
Randy Winn doesn’t suck against RH pitchers. He also is a decent situational hitter. With him in the #3 hole, maybe he would get the opportunity to move over one of the first two hitters so that the “big boys” can drive them in?
How’d I do?
by m34josh on Sep 15, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s pretty much the closest thing to logic I can come up with. Winn’s .298/.358/.410 vs. righties looks like Ted Williams on this team. Although he’s had some pretty brutal at-bats against righties lately, as well. The numbers say Winn, Velez, Lewis, and Rowand have been fine against righties this season, but man, they’ve been tough to watch a lot of the time.
I can’t really buy this logic, but I can almost buy the “what the hell” argument. With this cast of characters, the most logical lineup that could possibly be constructed would still be brutally bad. So, what the hell? Rowand leads off! Winn bats third! Wheeeeeeeee!
by pantalones on Sep 15, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, their numbers are fine against righties and they’ve probably been tough to watch a lot of time because their good numbers against righties mean that most of them make outs 65-63% of the time against them.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? Because Randy Winn had an OPS of 1.071 in the months of August and September, 2005.
And a “5” kinda looks like a “9” if you draw a little line between the curvy part and the horizontal line in the “5”.
So it’s not unreasonable to assume Randy Winn will have an OPS of 1.071 in August and September of 2009.
/bork
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"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
by Kitspool on Sep 15, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PLAIN AND SIMPLE
Because Bochy is the manager.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 15, 2009 1:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BORK
classy
BORK BORK
veteran
BORK
breakout soon
bork grumble bork
by deuce deuce on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I got nuthin
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Non-sequitor, but I immediately thought of MCC when I saw this
ONLY WUSSIES HAVE CATS!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have any cats?
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then you’re okay with wilriv. Unless you watch chick flicks.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or watch the Lord of the Rings movies
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,No,No
I like Sex and the City.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 15, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure.
But the question was, what do you like to watch?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have three cats, and Steel Magnolias is one of my favorite movies. Wilriv can Russel Martin for all I care.
by toofruss on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The kid with the cats needs to have his head replaced with the staring Zito.
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by TehGreekStallion on Sep 15, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, now that I think about it, the kid on the right looks kinda like Dave Flemming.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The resemblance is eerie
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, that’s the creepiest thing I’ve ever seen.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Randy Johnson isn’t even in the picture…
Seriously though, I got a shiver up my spine making the picture. The serial killer gaze Zito holding two cats with camo pants was a bit much.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that not Brad Penny on the left?
Half-awake, half-baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 15, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking more of this...
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then Jim Carrey dumb and dumber as Lloyd in the middle
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With or without orange tuxedo hat?
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
top.
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by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Original Resolution if anyone wants it for later.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
by The Nick on Sep 15, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea how Zito keeps a straight face through all of this.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this place for things like this
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by bondslegend on Sep 15, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Future Universal Soldier on the right
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Krukow says he has a good swing going
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by djp4cal on Sep 15, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
says his swing is back
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was going to be a dead cat swing reference right about...here.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His swings are of the same quality as a dead cat’s?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Randy Winn. I wish BORK wouldn’t put him in these spots that will make people forget all the good he’s done here as a Giant. He’s having a miserable year and there are several guys who can take his place. Figure it out BORK!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 15, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Winn to, but like you said Bochy hasn’t figured it out.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it is pretty dumb, but its Bochy. Winn hitting 3rd is like the 5th thing thats wrong with his lineups
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Team leader in steals and classiness!
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Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
by rhys on Sep 15, 2009 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Really, he caught Burriss?
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I think it’s 15-11 in Winn’s favor. Of course that is counting the 2 he had last night.
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by rhys on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, I wish I could watch games now
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by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watch them re-sign Winn and Molina. JUST WATCH.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
God no
But I have a feeling the Giants will resign one of them.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 15, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that’s my feeling too.
hopefully it’d be Winn, cause if they sign Molina, it’ll probably be for more years, more money, and it would block Posey.
by DrStankus on Sep 15, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. My. God.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
by I'm_a_Man on Sep 15, 2009 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I stopped paying attention to this team.
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Sep 15, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you noticed that Uribe is good now? HAVE YOU
by xanthan on Sep 15, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U WILL ALL SEE I WUZ RITE
Still in despair.
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by Zetsuboushita on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zetsuboushita will have his revenge next year, when the Giants give Uribe a three year extension and he promptly reverts to not being very good.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you sure? Have you checked his situational bunting stats? Or sac fly?
you know, all the ones important for a professional hitter
by DJ Tofu on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
POP%: 44%
6 Sac Flies
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I betcha Vinny Catilla knows why.
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by thehavenot on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Towers also knows why.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
by 49er16 on Sep 15, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t get it, why would Eugenio do that to Bochy?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's why he plays every day now
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by thehavenot on Sep 15, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who have higher OBP's than Randy Winn on the Giants...
The LOL Category
Osiris Matos
Jeremy Affeldt
Steve Holm
The Legit Category
Pablo Sandoval
Fred Lewis
Freddy Sanchez
Juan Uribe
The Ugh Category
Andres Torres
Aaron Rowand
Travis Ishikawa
And then Winn’s pretty much in a dead heat with Velez (.319 to .316).
78-66 - Giants Series Record: 24-16-5, 17-6 at home.
Adopted Giant: Daryl "Dealio" Maday - Not reassigned after all. Still a mediocre AA pitcher.
by rhys on Sep 15, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
vs. righties, you’re only left with the LOLs, Pablo and Lewis ahead of Winn’s .358.
Just noticed that Sanchez has NEVER had an OBP vs. righties of over .355 in his entire career… dude won a batting title with a .355 OBP vs. righties in 2006. His career line vs. righties is .281/.317/.389.
I’m starting to wonder if maybe Freddy Sanchez isn’t the answer to all of our offensive problems.
by pantalones on Sep 15, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, I never personally thought he was the answer to all of our offensive problems… just the problems at second base. He was and remains a huge upgrade at 2B for the Giants. The trouble is that, well, that alone was never going to be worth Tim Alderson.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Sanchez is really a 15M dollar player, how is he not worth Alderson?
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(this based on his WAR outside of 2007, which seems to be an outlier)
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I argued a lot with Neifichicken about him back before we got him because I really liked the idea of acquiring him (this was before I thought he would cost Alderson!), but well, he was right that second basemen with his skillset (decent batting average, but not much in the way of secondary skills) just don’t age well (and he doesn’t really appear to be aging well at the moment). He was a 3-4 win player before 2007 but he’s now 31 going on 32 and though last year was clearly an outlier, this year is now markedly worse than his best years.
Plus before the trade there were the injuries. And since there have been more injuries. And giving Alderson for him has let us with very weak pitching depth in the upper minors and very little wiggle room for possibly making a trade for an actual impact player this offseason.
I hated the trade at the time and I only hate it more now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NEIFICHICKEN WAS RIGHT
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though if he continues to put up 10-15M value for the next few years, he would be worth it right?
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose so but it seems unlikely to me that he’s going to.
And if it was, I still wouldn’t think it was the most efficient use of our resources. Maybe Sanchez was the best you could get for Alderson straight-up, but I have to think that as part of a package, the Giants could have fetched more for him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the trade too
especially since Sanchez has played like less than half of the games since it happened.
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by bondslegend on Sep 15, 2009 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
that half the season went by without making the trade or any other upgrade (not MAJOR UPGRADE) at 2B.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know what Alderson was worth.
Sometimes, there's a man...well, he's the man for his time and place.
by I'm_a_Man on Sep 15, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
between August 16th and August 26th he hit .349/.404/.465
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 15, 2009 1:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So what are the chances that the Giants offer both Winn and Molina arbitration after this season? Last I checked, the were both Type B free agents so that should work in the Giants favor a bit. But do the Giants risk either one accepting arbitration?
I have a feeling Molina will be offered arbitration since he’ll most likely have pipe dreams of getting a multi-year contract. Winn I’d be much more hesitant to offer arbitration since all he’ll most likely be offered from other teams is a one-year deal as well.
Thoughts?
by deuce deuce on Sep 15, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Do not offer Winn arb under any circumstances
Well, unless he signs before the deadline.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bochy is going to be the manager, do not offer arb to or sign either. If they’re on the roster and Bochy is the manager, we’ll see them in the line up waaaaay too often.
Give ’em both a gold watch and wish ’em well.
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by can of corn on Sep 15, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now I'll try my hand at sincerity and serious baseball discussion
I absolutely hated the Randy Winn trade when it was made. Not because of who we gave up (although I was still holding out hope for Foppert and I always liked Torrealba), but because it seemed like a tone deaf move – I didn’t believe for a second that the Giants were real contenders, and I wanted them to be sellers, not buyers. I also absolutely hated the contract extension we gave him – I thought it was an overreaction to a ridiculous hot streak that wouldn’t be repeated and he was really a below-average player.
I was wrong about all that. While I wish they’d left Winn in CF instead of signing Roberts and Rowand, but that’s not Winn’s fault, is it? Up until this year, he as a solid cog in the lineup that didn’t have very many cogs, and he was also a real boon on defense.
That’s over now, though. His offense this year has been so bad that even his defense can’t justify his playing time. If he were younger, I’d think this was just a down year and I’d be okay with giving him a reasonable one-year deal for 2010, even – but he’s 35. I think he’s done. Unfortunately, I also think the Giants are too stupid to recognize that. He’ll get playing time until the bitter end and I won’t be surprised if the Giants stupidly give him a contract extension an plop him right back in RF and the top of the lineup again next year.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mentioning Dave Roberts reminds me
Over the offseason, I thought the fact that the Giants were willing to eat his contract was a really promising sign and maybe a turning point in organizational philosophy. They’d done similar things mid-season before, but I can’t remember them ever eating a full year’s contract – even if it was clearly the right choice, as it was with Roberts.
Obviously, though, that didn’t happen. Here we are in September, and Aurilia’s still on the roster, and even though he hasn’t played in some time he still has 123 plate appearances, which is about 50 more than any sensible person would’ve given him. We have Molina hitting in the middle of the order and Posey getting shafted and Randy Winn hitting third. It really is the same old Giants’ brain trust, isn’t it? Sigh.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think about the apparent disconnect between the FO and Bochy wrt players on the roster? The front office calls up some of the promising young guys (which would seem to indicate that mgmt finds those players to have at least some value to offer the team), but the manager rarely, if ever, uses them. I think getting rid of Roberts was the right thing to do, but there was an inconsistency there in leaving Winn and Aurilia in such prominent places when evidence of their (likely age related) decline was so obvious.
Of course, this is the same front office that signed Rowands and Renteria to undeserved contracts, and also traded for Garko with apparently no sense of how to actually use him.
I guess I’m just flummoxed.
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by can of corn on Sep 15, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really want to believe we have a Towers / Bochy / Vinny Castilla situation. But I doubt it.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, GM’s have quite a bit to do with how much players play. The don’t construct the lineups and make in-game decisions, but the fact the Freddie, Bowkery, Poseyy, Frandseny, Garkoy, and Jesusy aren’t playing much is officially sanctioned by Sabean. Which is why he has to go.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with Billy Beane on how the GM should view the manager. He’s middle management. He reports to the GM. He might deal with small day to day decisions, but who should get what percent of starts at a position should be the GMs call.
Not sure that this is completely typical.
by DrStankus on Sep 15, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A’s certainly do it this way, and then Beane fires anybody who disagrees with him. It works. Baseball is not a democracy.
The Giants are almost certainly not as far as the A’s, but Sabean and Bochy have regular meetings on how the team is doing, they talk about who is winning in their fantasy baseball pool (catagories: grittiness, hot streaks, gamertude, bloody noses), and who “deserves” playing time. I don’t think Sabean is dictating from up-on-high as Beane might, but he certainly has a significant amount of input.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guzzy, not Jesusy
Bowky sounds like a dog but he’s stuck with it.
cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"
by foothillsfan on Sep 15, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t mind acquiring garko at the time. the offense needed an upgrade, and even a decent player would be one. bochy has buried him on the bench, and that’s not sabean’s fault
by sfoakbay on Sep 15, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Cuz he’s fast like a cheetah on the Serengeti and if he bats lower he’ll run right up Bengie Molina’s ass.
by younghutch on Sep 15, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
Theres nothing that a hundred men or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in africa
Gonna take some time to do the things we never had
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh
and i thought the lyrics to that song didn’t make any sense because I had them wrong.
They don’t make any sense ANYWAY.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Sep 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they just had some obsession with Africa and wanted to work it into a song somehow.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So late to this conversation, but I always thought it said, “I guess it rains down in Africa.” Never made any sense.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
by kdl on Sep 15, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Bochy is imagining that Randy Winn hasn’t aged and is the same hitter he was 3 years ago. He really really keeps hoping that Winn isn’t a .316 or whatever OBP guy with, what, 2 homeruns? every single time he writes his name into the lineup, especially in the 3rd spot. Be the other Randy Winn, be the other Randy Winn.
by Mrbasepaul on Sep 15, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just give him time
and he’ll hit like the back of his baseball card.
by DrStankus on Sep 15, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because a friend of mine played A ball with him and said he was cool.
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My kid came home crying from school, today.
Seems that this red-headed bully named Grant was picking on him.
Kidding aside, we all know what it means when a 34 year old just stops hitting.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He gets better, right?
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kidding aside, we all know what it means when a 34 year old just stops hitting.
Time for Cialis?
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't even need a bat anymore
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by RDreamer on Sep 15, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh he’s still hitting that. Classily.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Sep 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, I posted this in the last thread, but it’s dead now, so…
I just saw this sentence on MLBtraderumors:
Alfonso Soriano’s contract is about as untradeable as they come
He’s making the same as Zito, roughly, for the same amount of years.
He’s having a down year, and Zito has been decent this year, but if the Cubs would consider it, do you think we could/should swap the two? Would his defense be a huge step down from the plethora of dudes we’ve had in left this year?
Forgive me if this has been totally discussed at some point before and I missed it.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barry has a no trade clause and he will never leave San Francisco
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by jctGamer on Sep 15, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito: 83M with buyout (94M with option) 2010-2014
Alfonso: 90 M 2010-14
Probably not b/c we could get rid of Barry in 3 years would have alfonso for 4.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/falls over Brewers style
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it had to be here somewhere. Thanks.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano < 1906 earthquake and fire
and I do mean worse than.
Zito >>>>>>>>>>>>>Soriano; Soriano has no value except if you like to hate.
by nogooddeed on Sep 15, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bochy is waiting for Winn to go on one of his streaks.
Here’s to hoping he’s right
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Sep 15, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Time’s kind of running out for that.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
you gotta admit though… last night he was taking pitches that he was flailing at last week. not sure if that means anything though.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Sep 15, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve been noticing this lately as well. Could be an attempt to display leadership
and improve his approach simultaneously.
Hope it works, because he’s going to be in the lineup more often than not.
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by bgunn on Sep 15, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again...
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by jctGamer on Sep 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOL’d, because I took that picture, but it has been vastly improved.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
by kdl on Sep 15, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like sands through the damn hourglass.
Old is old…and getting older.
by younghutch on Sep 15, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ask why Winn is hitting third. Unfortunately, it’s not so simple. See the Maya had a ritual during the third full moon of the year and…
Seriously, you have to start with asking another question. Who is going to be in the starting lineup? By process of elimination, Winn is in the starting lineup because all the other options make more sense. Since Bochy has basically set on who he plays daily (baring one of Sanchyyy’s injuries) who do you hit third? And…
…
You know what I was trying to explain this, but then I remembered that Rowand was hitting 8th last night and has done so many times recently. I give up. Bochy is retarded. There. There is your logic.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re arguing a point that is moot….
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Sep 15, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s moo.
Like a cow’s opinion.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one cares what Bengie thinks.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See and Say: Bengie says “Mooooo.”
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you hear anything when his mouth is full?
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BURN!
That midsection away with the Ab-Destroyer. Order today at www.bengieisfatandcantscoreonaflyhit350ft.com
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that episode before I knew what a moot point was. It was still hilarious. I miss Friends.
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Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. I just rewatched the whole thing with my girlfriend who’d never seen most of it. Such a well-written show.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were so many great lines. Like, “You’re so far past the line, you can’t even see the line! The line is a dot to you!”
"I think I realized after the second or third punch, I should have taken his helmet off sooner." - Ryane Clowe
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Fools and Sages
by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now there’s no juice for the people who need the juice and want the juice. I need the juice!
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
moo?
TWSS
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWYMSLN
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t remember the rest, but your mother’s a whore!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Sep 15, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
can I ask you, Trebek, about the penis mightier?
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take Jap anus relations Alex
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you selling Anal Bum Covers?
I’ll buy 10 of them right now!
by aug_21_2003 on Sep 15, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen, if he was the best hitter on the team, he’d be hitting cleanup. But he’s not. By batting him third he has to do the servant work of setting the table for the cleanup guy. Like all my lowly, stupid servants. If they were my good servants, they’d be out cleaning up and not getting shot with BBs. But since they’re not, they better set the table while I shoot them with BBs so that my good servants can clean up the table later.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit!
This is some of your best work!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s finding his stroke late in the year.
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by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely found it last night. And then again this morning.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey-ooooooh!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Sep 15, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noooooooo!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MACHINE!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
howtheyscoredbythemselves?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Sep 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awww, man. Whenever somebody uses my full name, that means I’m in trouble.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to UZR, Randy Winn has saved 5,232,108 runs this season, which makes him as valuable as Albert Pujols and Cris Carpenter combined. Please do not question the defensive stats.
+50000000000000000000000000000
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 2:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Randy Winn
MONEY DOWN THE STRETCH, NERDS
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by jctGamer on Sep 15, 2009 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did someone start this meme by saying this in all seriousness?
Thing C
by markdash on Sep 15, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
About Renteria.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Sep 15, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He bats towards the top of the lineup because ???. Plain and simple.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Sep 15, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Fixed it.
He bats toward the top of the lineup because BOCOCK. Plain and simple.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT WHY IS BOCOCK?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
R U 5 BOCOCK?!!!
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Sep 15, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because the FO is trying to sign Steve Nash to hit 2nd
by gntfan10 on Sep 15, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bochy = Underpants Gnomes?
1) Hit Winn 3rd
2) ?
3) RUNZ!!
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/banned
for using “Botchy” and “underpants” in the same sentence.
/runs to shower
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a side note…the Bochy nickname game never gets old. It’s a guarenteed chuckle every time.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 15, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Which one? Idiot?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because....
Nobody sports cool sunglasses on this team like Randy Winn. Gotta give him some extra camera time, yo.
Okay, well, Freddy Lewis. And Garko. And NEVER MIND HE ASKED FOR BAD LOGIC OK?
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by Skaldheim on Sep 15, 2009 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOZING CLASS
p.s. who changed the CSS, what’s with the pink stuff
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLAME GRANT
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what the hell is that?!?!?
fan… shut? shit?
i don’t get it
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
McCovey Chronicles
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Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
Nobody puts Bengie in a corner!
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a fan
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SCIENCE
by CB30 on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what’s with the pink stuff
TWHS!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grants fault
“”stylesheet “type=”text/css" ref=“stylesByGrant.css” />"
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah, preview fail
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody sports leather like he does , either.
Can’t he be a DF? You know , just puts his feet up when the offense is in the process of offending.
This game could sure use a little Calvinball – type engineering…we have ALL the pieces for chaos – but our ordered arrangement is sadly lacking…
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched Winn take a nice slider from Hammel last night — a nice diving slider, the one that looks good but then tumbles down into the dirt, the one we’ve watched Rowand and Molina and Renteria and Schierholtz and Uribe and Ishikawa and Aurilia and yea even Saint Panda swing and miss on a jillion times each this year — and I thought, Aha, that’s why Bochy likes this guy in the lineup. He really is a crafty veteran hitter.
He grounded out on the next pitch, of course, but for a moment it all made sense.
by Evan on Sep 15, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
we’ve all seen Randy break down and half-wave at that exact pitch 30 times this year
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also to be fair
The only other player on the team who might take that pitch is Fred Lewis, so I guess it can’t be Bochy’s sole criterion.
by Evan on Sep 15, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also also to be fair
Fred Lewis would have swung through a fastball down the middle right after that slider anyway.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are you and what have you done with jponry?
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jporny is your jponry now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no swingthru
he woulda took it down the middle
(yes, Lars, that IS what she said)
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if it’s Bochy doing these vets a solid from a personal standpoint. Forget the pennate race, forget abstract fan viewpoints, he’s like “I understand you guys are mid-30s, at the end of your contracts, ok? I get that…and I’m gonna try like hell to get you in the lineup, so even if they (Ginats Brazz) don’t bring you back, someone will have the idea that you can still contribute. Hell, you batted 3rd and cleanup for a contender!”
by Giant Homer on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m starting to think that Bochy might not be the best at filling out a lineup.
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"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Sep 15, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again
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by jctGamer on Sep 15, 2009 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the STATZ, Winn’s numbers from this season are pretty similar to the ones from his craptacular 2006 season except with fewer homers (he hit 11 in ‘06). Otherwise, he’s been pretty consistent throughout his career.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I kind of expect a Durham-in-2008 comeback from him next year, just to drive us all insane.
by Evan on Sep 15, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a playoff team :-(
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by baetown415 on Sep 15, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so long as it’s not OUR playoff team!
Well… I mean if he is kind of one of the key pieces to us making the playoffs, and he suddenly retires after the season, but during the season puts up an OPS+ of like 130 and shows real power… THEN maybe for our playoff team… But otherwise, please no!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Sep 15, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOLineup
Velez LF
F. Sanchez 2B
Winn RF
Sandoval 3B
Molina C
Uribe SS
Ishikawa 1B
Rowand C
Zito LHP
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 15, 2009 3:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the two Catcher strategy
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the wild pitch really influenced Bork’s lineup!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand can track anything down1
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Hole
I’m glad Bochy has faith in the speed of Velez and Winn; who needs a CF when you have them?
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by TMOX on Sep 15, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
another Lance Niekro
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
reply fail
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buster Posey now down to 8th on the Catcher depth chart
by kingofthacove on Sep 15, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Position Change
Didn’t you see the game last night? Randy Johnson is training Buster Posey to become a pitcher since the strikeout in his one AB clearly proves he is not cut out to be a ML hitter.
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by TMOX on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE HAD HIS CHANCE!
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll admit, out of the 119 other lineups, this is far from my most hated.
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not quite right.
Compared to the 119 other lineups, this is far from my most hated.
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I GUESS WE AREN’T WELCOMING BACK RENTERIA AFTER ALL!
YAY!
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you have to like Randy Winn.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he’s hitting .320 career against COL
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by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BENCH WARMER DOWN THE STRETCH, NERDS!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SPLINTERS DOWN THE STRETCH, BITCHES
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LOL FRED
by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and Bengie not at cleanup make this one of the best lineups of the year.
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by groug on Sep 15, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Molina is actually playing. Even after yesterday, when I didn’t see him batting fourth I just figured it was a night off.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, is that the exact same lineup from yesterday? Has Bochy ever had the same lineup two games in a row this season?
(And, LOL, at him thinking lightning will strike twice.)
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by kdl on Sep 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the same lineup as Sunday, I think.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sunday:
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
LF Winn
3B Sandoval
RF Schierholtz
SS Uribe
1B Ishikawa
C Whiteside
P Penny
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by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, just goes to show that I didn’t watch on Sunday!
The infield was the same though.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I meant to add that it was close.
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by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if the Giants’ twitter is correct and Bochy really thinks that having two catchers in the game is a good idea.
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 15, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I frikkin’ knew he was going try the same thing again.
by BigO on Sep 15, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL LARS
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I finally had to change my sig to this, cause it keeps cracking me up
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by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m glad that Renteria kept himself out of the lineup
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he had a grand slam that one time!!! REMEMEBER?? DO U REMEMBER???? haha
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kuip on Garko
Did anybody hear Kuip on KNBR this morning? When they asked him about Garko, he sputtered about the opportunity cost of Garko playing being no Uribe in the lineup. After they pointed out that Garko could replace Ishikawa, Kuip said they should ask Bochy. I think Kuip also muttered something about the Cubs and Steve Stone as he was leaving but I couldn’t make it out.
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by TMOX on Sep 15, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Accept the fact that Garko is never going to play again. He might PH against a lefty or two.
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn’t start tomorrow, then I think he will get maybe 10 ABs total the rest of the year.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Surprised
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Sandoval playing 1B tomorrow. If Garko does start, he’ll be out of the game as soon as a RH enters the game, even if that’s in the 3rd inning.
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by TMOX on Sep 15, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel kind of bad for him. I hope he can find a team next year.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is a decent player
he should have no problem
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the Giants?
I heard they could use a 1B
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Garko will be back.
Bochy….
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
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by kennv on Sep 15, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what, the Ginats will no tender Garko?
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be surprised if they didn’t at this point.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
going forward, I think the best plan for 1B is still to platoon Ishikawa and Garko. Finally, and this part is important, BE PATIENT.
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 15, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIN NOW!
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WINN, NOW!
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIN, A COUPLE YEARS AGO
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE'RE IN THIS, THING!
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, assuming they can’t find an overall upgrade this offseason, but, well, the way the Giants have used them the past few weeks makes me not-optimistic.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is really bad idea to have a bench player’s only ability to be a RH 1B. That is just giving up a roster spot. If he was a backup catcher and not just an emergency catcher, I would be ok with it, but he’s not, so unless he starts, he’s gotta go.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Accepted
I accepted that once Ishikawa started replacing him on a regular basis. Considering Bochy has Aurillia pinch-hitting ahead of Garko, he might get in if we have another extra-inning marathon, but that’s about it.
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by TMOX on Sep 15, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garko
The one vet Bochy doesn’t like
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by djp4cal on Sep 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not old enough.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you implying he might get another at-bat in 5 years?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
TWWMS
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
zing!
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LOL FRED
by ringleader3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, isn’t it the opposite of what WalrusMan says?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He likes to play “Opposite Day”.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the meme for which I’d like to know the origin story.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of memes
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"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
by Kitspool on Sep 15, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of my favorite new memes.
Someone should do one with Posey.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
nice
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can somebody do one with Kanye and Sabean, where Kanye says, “Yo Brian, I’m really happy you won a National League Pennant, but Bonds was one of the best of all time!”
/jumps out window
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could use ‘/jumps out window’ on every comment and it would still be funny every time.
/jumps out window
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we are writing about the Giants. This team does induce defenestration.
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From Wikipedia's definition of defenestration
Although defenestrations can be fatal due to the height of the window through which a person is thrown, or lacerations from broken glass, the act of defenestration need not carry the intent or result of death.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More specifically, autodefenestration.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
His name's Clayton, not Danny.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch the VMAs much?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t (I can’t stand MTV), but thanks to YouTube I don’t need to.
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that was actually really hilarious.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops, that should have been a reply to the actual youtube link… /shrug
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like that’s even a real question.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 15, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it true that if you don’t use it you lose it?
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point i really don’t care anymore, he’s apologized more than 3 times, heard he was drunk at the show. But people blow this out of proportion, not you or anyone here, but people like here at school blew it wayyyy out of proportion
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do people really care that much to actually talk about it as anything other than fodder for a joke?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess some people do care too much as if it was a knock on them
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young people apparently care about stuff like this.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel kinda bad for Taylor Swift, though. Her moment was ruined.
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by GiantsBabe on Sep 15, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
That was really sweet of her!
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by GiantsBabe on Sep 15, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure, i mean the whole country knew what was up there with what Kanye did
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I felt bad for her too but I’m pretty sure she’s gonna be ok, especially after how awesome Beyonce was. I mean, he deserved to be called out as a jackass for it, but damn, come on. It was a VMA. I didn’t even know they existed anymore.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure she can cry herself to sleep on her millions of dollars.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She's 18
As a fellow 18-year-old, I can only imagine how mortified I would be if that happened to me.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well… She’s been in the game for a few years already, in front of thousands of people… you know? I see what you’re saying, but i think that she is used to the spotlight but not this sort of thing, she’s all good
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
She’s probably all emotional, and then some dick comes up and says she doesn’t deserve it. To her face. That hurts, I don’t care how experienced or how much money you make.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea dude, actually you’re right, anyway you look at it there, no matter what, you’d feel awkward…. I heard PINK wanted to beat the shit out of him
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Kelly Clarkson was pissed at him, and she never speaks out on stuff like that.
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by mymclife on Sep 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this comment cracks me up for some reason :)
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Sep 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
She doesn’t ever hook up, either. She takes it slow.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take it slow?
Hook up?
Hook up all real slow – like…and then…take it?
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, like, is it really a surprise that Kanye West was a jackass? Come on now. The meme is hilarious but I’m glad all the pearl clutching has died down.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, yea for real. Look, i like Kanyes music, but his personality is just so self centered and the way he acts is just him always thinking he’s the shit. I heard he had a picture of him portrayed as Jesus?
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hoof hucking cares?
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by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newsletter, plz.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, a Kanye West apologist?
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIg2xzeZiM
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, was ignorant
until my wife asked me if I knew about what happened last night with Kanye West. I responded with “um, did he act like a self-important jerk?” Yep. Yep, he did.
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by thehavenot on Sep 15, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need context to know that Kanye West is a jackass?
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, even though he is one, his music is pretty damn good
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ur opinion... agree to disagree
I personally like him, Lil wayne is damn good too
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
kanye>wayne
i’m meh on wayne,occasionally something will be worth listening to, but don’t count on it. kanye on the other hand, has some really good stuff, but his arrogance puts a damper on his music. but they’re not close to common, nas, tupac, t.i., etc
by sfoakbay on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the genre here?
That all these one – name wonders crank out?
Is it steeped in generations of tradition and history?
Will it ever be played after a ball game in a ballpark for time everlasting?
Or hey – how about this – does it soothe the savage beast or make him want to cap somebody in the ass…“yo”?
fucking trend – of – the – historical month.
Right up there on the list of monumental social significance with the sagging pants and sideways cap.
Old dude out.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Old dude bigot out.
Half-awake, half-baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 15, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the sagging pants and crooked cap are pretty stupid.
I seriously doubt Vic’s opinion was driven in bigotry.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sangging pants, crooked cap, “make him want to cap somebody in the ass…"yo"?”
Those are vestiges of old so-called gangsta rap. Not a bigoted rant, but suuuper moldy
Half-awake, half-baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 15, 2009 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Sangging”
Half-awake, half-baked
by Giant Homer on Sep 15, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Wiki
The term bigot is often misused to pejoratively label those who merely oppose or disagree with the devotion of another. The correct use of the term, however, requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.
Well , toss any ideas my distaste (Really virulent distaste) is color – coordinated , because it isn’t…but I’ll go along with the rest.
I did think about it later , how I’m really not very well versed enought to make anything more than a knee – jerk reaction/condemnation , but I’m not going to be petitioning for funding for something investigative…ehh , live and let live.
But get your saggy pants off my lawn.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, seriously. He’s bad. Also, a classless narcissist. But I’m old, so feel free to ignore…
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
(preens)
(preens some more)
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, on the other hand, am content in this case to remain ignorant.
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Grant
Randy Winn is not the Giants best hitter.
by Hoist That Rag on Sep 15, 2009 4:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Suck up
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by Natto on Sep 15, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GROUPTHINK
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GROUGTHINK
Wait, what does groug think?
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Groug doesn’t think. Groug just acts.
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by groug on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For example, if I’d done some thinking there I wouldn’t have used the third person. But that’s not how I roll, baby.
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by groug on Sep 15, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Grougthink Is A Lie
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’ve been betting on the come with Winn; hasn’t happened in retrospect.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can 3 hours go by without the correct answer?
Pure unadulterated CLASS is why he bats 3rd
We are all the McCoven and we are all Pedro Feliz
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Best picture ever.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MEGA-Rec’d.
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by Kitspool on Sep 15, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no wonder he hasn’t hit this year
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t think i ever noticed the spats before.
that’s what separates whoever did the ’shop from hacks like me. classy attention to detail.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is hilarious!
A girl on the interwebz and fan of the pantaloons.
Real men don't wear batting gloves.
by GiantsBabe on Sep 15, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I need a hat like that.
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i need a bat like that [not]
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
beautiful
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
And celebrating the achievements of others' adoptees, Joey Martinez and Nate Schierholtz
by raisingcain on Sep 15, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
spats—is that a Magowan thing, like the cream uniforms?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Language of the McCoven--TWSS!, Meh!, STFD!, Bork!, Fail!, STFD! STFD! STFD!
by greatgiantfan on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pantaloons > Spats
A girl on the interwebz and fan of the pantaloons.
Real men don't wear batting gloves.
by GiantsBabe on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I promise to stop after this one
"If you want to walk, watch a mailman."--Shawon Dunston
"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
by Kitspool on Sep 15, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
that was really funny.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Sep 15, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. Be sure to tip your waitress.
by younghutch on Sep 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT
But did anyone else see that the UC system is looking to raise tuition by 30% as of 2010? Am I the only one that thinks this is nuts? I mean, I don’t have a solution for the budget, but good gravy, kids are already being drowned in debt.
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 4:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Miami Ohio is planning on raising the tuition by 3.5 percent for out of state students… not quite as bad as CAL but still dude, it blows here, as a student from California, it’s so expensive to just fly out here as well
by PiKAgiant on Sep 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg
making people pay market costs for college instead of subsidizing it off the backs of taxpayers?
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, because society doesn’t get anything back in exchange for allowing more people to have access to higher education.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or healthcare
/jumps out window
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey you’re stealing my action-thingy!
Also GiantPain is a fascist.
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll do whatever I want!
/defenestrates
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you stole my $5 word. You sir/sirette, are officially my nemesis.
/stankeye
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its funnier because you have Bender as your and I imagine him doing it.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*as your avatar.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/has no health care to speak of
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just stand still son , and try not to breathe.
Ya know...ignorance really IS bliss.
Well - I do , anyway.
by victor frankenstein on Sep 15, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you do this long enough, you can avoid paying taxes!
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS AND STUFF
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The vast majority of people work in fields completely unrelated to their college degrees.
Taxpayers shouldn’t be paying for anyone to get BAs in English lit or Poly Sci.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many Bothans will die before this sub thread is finished.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won’t be here for all of it but, on behalf of Lars, please throw in a TWSS wherever appropriate.
by younghutch on Sep 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll have to suffice to say that I think you’re seriously misguided and I’ll just leave it at that.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
Eff people who aren’t trying to be doctors! Every person who has ever earned a medical degree has done nothing but help society!
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
90% of the people who get BAs
Dont need them to do the jobs they’ll end up doing. That’s all I’m saying.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may not work in the field they studied, but a large percent of those jobs do require undergraduate degrees.
Check out the difference in average salary between high school grads and college grads sometime. It’s not insubstantial.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the employers fault
We need to reform our society so that everyone understands that people are going out and getting themselves into tremendous debt, all to get a piece of paper that says they’re smart but does nothing for society.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to reform our society
Okay, I can get with that.
people are going out and getting themselves into tremendous debt, all to get a piece of paper that says they’re smart but does nothing for society
No.
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.ericdigests.org/2003-3/value.htm
A number of studies have shown a high correlation between higher education and cultural and family values, and economic growth. According to Elchanan Cohn and Terry Geske (1992), there is the tendency for more highly educated women to spend more time with their children; these women tend to use this time to better prepare their children for the future. Cohn and Geske (1992) report that “college graduates appear to have a more optimistic view of their past and future personal progress.”
Public benefits of attending college include increased tax revenues, greater workplace productivity, increased consumption, increased workforce flexibility, and decreased reliance on government financial support (Institute for Higher Education Policy, 1998).
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And banging bodies. College grads know how to keep themselves fit!
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But not all education is created equally. The question is, does it serve everyone in society to attend a 4-year college? I don’t think so.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, no
but ,in theory at least, the system will flush those people out after 1-2 years, if that.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
4 year schools are different from technical schools in that the actual knowledge you acquire in the subject of your degree often help you very little if at all with your next job. However, the skills you acquire gaining that knowledge, which can usually be applied much more broadly, are very important.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. But that’s not the question.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record
My argument would be that not everyone should go to college, but everyone should have access to college if they want to go and have the academic credentials.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the playing field isn’t level. There are numerous incentives for a person to get a 2.0 Sociology degree from The University of Mediocre.
Not just the immediate financial incentives (subsidized loans, grants, etc), but sociological, as the person who goes to “college” is held in greater esteem in our society than the skilled worker who may have gone to a trade school or community college.
As a society, I wish we could change our view of the 4-year college as the be-all of achievement in our society—-we owe it to our skilled blue-collar workers.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, to be fair
the skilled blue-collar workers usually end up making more money quicker (and without the debt of student loans) than those “undeserving” college grads.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear, I did not use the word “undeserving”. I am fine with public education. I just wish we could tweak it in some way so that people’s skills are better reflected in the educational choices they make.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but I don’t think that valuing education and valuing blue-collar work need be mutually exclusive.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not in favor of removing the current incentives for 4-year universities. I just wish we could create additional incentives for different types of education.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I realize you aren’t. In the threading of this conversation, your arguments get a little tangled with GiantPain’s, even though you’re arguing different things.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m having a hard time seeing student loans – even though subsidized – as an “incentive” in this context.
“Let’s see, I could go get a job now…or I could go to college for a few years, rack up $40,000 in debt, and then get the exact same job. Dude!”
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by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said “subsidized loans”. When I went to school I received government subsidized loans, AKA free money.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still had to pay them back, right?
And once you weren’t in school you were charged interest on them? How is that free money?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, free for a while.
Personally, I gamed the system by borrowing money from family to actually pay for college, and sticking the loan money in the bank and gaining interest from it.
The loan was not need-based so I suspect a lot of people do this.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
that’s a problem with the system, and one that raising tuition definitely won’t solve.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude. Please point out where I said that we should raise tuition, or even mess with the way 4-year colleges are treated. I am not GiantPain.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what you are, though,
is 5.
And yeah, those arguments got mixed up.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's exactly the question
State schools are taxpayer subsidies for 4 year education. Not everyone who WANTS to go to college NEEDS to go to college, and its foolish to have taxpayers pay for people who dont need to go to college.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who, exactly
NEEDS to go to college? I mean, yeah, if someone says they want to be a plumber or auto mechanic or something, they shouldn’t go to a 4 year school, but I don’t think there are very many people who aspire to those careers who go to 4 year schools anyways.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doctors, scientists, engineers, matheticians.
Almost anyone not getting a BA needs to go to college.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sister is getting a BA in philosophy. She will not be a philosopher. She is going to be a teacher. You need a 4 year degree to enter any teaching program, because the skills you are supposed to acquire getting a 4 year degree are essential to the job.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A teacher!? All she’ll be doing is coddling kids with gosh-dern taxpayer-subsidized education. No value in that.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even worse if she’s working at a taxpayer-funded public school, perpetuating the vicious cycle of education.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about those of us that do use our BA degree? Are we ok?
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But the problem with a public university is, you can’t tell who those people are.
If you make people pay full price for college, you’ll have less people who don’t need to go to college going.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
you’ll have less poor people going.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but then again
I guess those poor people should just know their stations and stick to their blue collar futures without any hope of improving themselves.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor people can’t afford college anyways. Even UCs run in the tens of thousands for 4 years.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and tacking on 30% to that will totally help, right?
Also, student loans / grants / scholarships help a lot.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Private universities give financial aid too
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
by GiantPain on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but again
they’d have to give more. The total cost would go up, which would price some people out, and I’d venture to guess that there are a lot fewer economically disadvantaged people pursuing 4 year degrees “for the wrong reasons” (read, reasons you disagree with / don’t understand) than there are rich kids whose parents essentially force them to go and will pay for it regardless.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went to a private school but they didn’t offer shit. If I could do it differently I would have taken gen-eds at a public school because it is much cheaper.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
You’ll just have more people in debt, just like Cash for Clunkers…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 15, 2009 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
where did the C4C thing come from?
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It involves debt and government money and sounded better in my head than it looks there.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 15, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
iirc
the problem with C4C was that it was too successful. The gov’t didn’t expect that so many people would go for it, so they ran out of money too fast.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Sep 15, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point he is trying to make is that, now, all of these people who previously couldn’t afford a new car are now making payments on just that.
It remains to be seen if people will have trouble making the payments.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Just about to type that out.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Sep 15, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure where the poverty line is but at the time of my enrollment my mom made about 30K/year. Without government backed loans I wouldn’t have been able to go.
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My grandmother paid for my college tuition, I worked 35+ hours a week and I still came out with loans…
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that. My first check each month goes to Sallie Mae LOL
/has given up on this season.
by jhiat00 on Sep 15, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA BA! BS IS MORE SECURE
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 16, 2009 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say that more people in my acquaintance can do advance mathematics than can tell me the difference between a modifier and an antecedent.
Also, you forgot lawyers. The most useful profession of all.
by Alex_Lewis on Sep 15, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey now.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Sep 15, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
People may talk about how useless lawyers are, but if they were falsely accused of murder I’m guessing they’d find one or two useful.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: FREDEMPTION Lewis
by jcb9 on Sep 15, 2009 5:30 PM PDT