Ryan Garko is a Giant for how long?
by SwisherFan33 on Sep 14, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
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I was just curious what his contract looks like and how long the Giants have him "locked" up for. I was very excited when he got traded because if he can get the AB"s I think he is a 25 home run guy. I know that one of the reasons the Indians traded him was that he was probably not going to be cheap for too much longer (and that they have a log jam at 1st). Just hoping someone can shed some light. Thanks, Chris
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He will be eligible for arbitration for the first time this off-season. The Giants will have him under control for three more seasons.
by deuce deuce on Sep 14, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by rotorueter on Sep 14, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 16, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don’t know if i am using the correct terminology but next year will be garkos first year of arbitration…don’t know if the giants are going to offer it to him…i mean they have pretty much benched him at the this point,…so who knows?
by travis j bagdad on Sep 14, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
they definitely wont non-tender Garko
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by boonitez on Sep 14, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that what we thought about AJ?
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by WalrusMan on Sep 15, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, but
Garko has a remarkable talent for not kicking people in the balls. He ranked as an 80 on the prospect scale in that department.
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by boonitez on Sep 18, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Others have answered the OP’s question; Garko’s eligible for arbitration this year (in fact for the next three years). I would be guessing that he’d get around $1M from arb, but others around here are doubtless more knowledgeable than I on that score.
Considering that Garko has been buried on the bench, it seems very likely that, unless there is a new manager, the Giants will not even offer him arbitration and he will become a free agent. Which means the Giants traded what was at the time the 3rd best pitching prospect in their organization for a two-month rental of a right-hand hitting platoon player.
by taliesin on Sep 14, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Which means the Giants traded what was at the time the 3rd best pitching prospect in their organization for a two-month rental of a right-hand hitting platoon player [that they refused to play].
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by UnleashTheGore on Sep 14, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd best?
behind who?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 14, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bumgarner and Alderson. They traded Barnes for Garko.
by TGOH on Sep 14, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the 3rd best thing has sort of been magnified and maybe exaggerated with Garko’s failings/benching/whatever you want to call it
We still have some good arms down in the Minors
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by heimy25 on Sep 14, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Barnes really our 3rd best pitching prospect? I’d never seen him rated that high.
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by Goofus on Sep 14, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Baseball America had him rated there
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 14, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA’s Top Ten last year was
Bumgarner
Posey
Villalona
Alderson
Noonan
Arianza
Gillaspie
Rafrod
Barnes
Romo
The only other SP in the Top 30 were Sosa, Tanner, Pucetas, King and Joey Martinez. Actually, we’re getting pretty thin in SP prospects at this point. I guess you’d have to say Wheeler’s the 2nd best SP prospect in the system, but I really have no idea who you’d rank after him. Tanner I guess?
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by Roger on Sep 14, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tanner, Sosa maybe, Pucetas, Martinez, then maybe some of the fungible arms in low-A – Surkamp, King. It’s a whole mess of fifth starters.
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by jponry on Sep 14, 2009 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After dominating the kids in low A all year, Surkamp’s Cal league debut was not exactly one for the ages. Too bad, I was hoping he’d have a repeat of Jonathan Sanchez, who came up from the Sally for a Cal League playoff appearance and completely dominated. It was the springboard for performance for skipping him up to AA and ultimately the big leagues the very next spring.
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by Roger on Sep 15, 2009 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have a bunch of really good arms
They’re just in short season, rookie ball and the DSL – Casilla, Buccardo, Concepcion, Lamb, Hernandez, Flores, etc.
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by tedfordfan on Sep 15, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always easy to say that about the young guys with potential whose faillings we have yet to see…
by Missing Barry on Sep 15, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they are all too far from the majors to really be worth counting on at the moment. They aren’t going to be worth much in a trade, they aren’t going to be making it to the majors in the next year or two, etc.
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by jponry on Sep 15, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but
I’m encouraged by the fact that we have six or eight of them who have both performed very well and garnered very positive comments from Scouts. Given the discussion about pitching depth, I think it’s relevant that we have so many of this type of player, and it’s reasonable to expect one or two of them to have serious value as the move up.
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by tedfordfan on Sep 15, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit I was thinking of Alderson
my bad
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 14, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As others have pointed out, Garko has been primarily riding the pine.
The decision to aquire Garko was Sabeans. The decision not to play him was Bochy’s. It wouldn’t surprise me if this is an (another?) area of tension between the two.
I’d expect that since Sabean thought enough of him to trade for him, he’ll offer him arb.
Barring the aquistiion of a bigger bat at 1B, I think we’re likely to see an Ishi/Garky platoon next year.
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by Goofus on Sep 14, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HOW CAN YOU EVEN SPECULATE THERE IS TENSION WHEN YOU HAVEN’T PERSONALLY ASKED BOCHY?!
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by SF Pete on Sep 14, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why it is called speculation.
If he knew for certain, it would not be speculation.
Trading away a prospect for a player acquired to help in a playoff push, who is then benched does not reflect well on Sabean, who’s contract is up at the end of this year. G’s speculation is well warranted.
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by Tellias on Sep 14, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I was just poking fun at Bochy for this quote:
“It’s unbelievable,” he said. “I don’t know how somebody can (write) that without asking me.”
that we discussed here
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by SF Pete on Sep 14, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah got ya.
Yea, that quote cracked me up! Bochy really screwed himself when he put Whiteside in that blowout against the Pads and then told the media it was to keep Whiteside fresh.
I still cannot get over the fact he has only given Posey 1 PA. I really hope they dump him after this year.
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by Tellias on Sep 14, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how he could say the Whiteside line with a straight face. Gotta keep the journeyman backup catcher fresh by playing him in the 9th inning of a blowout the day after he caught 12 innings.
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by SF Pete on Sep 14, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really hope the giants aren’t stupid enough to non-tender him
by kingofthacove on Sep 14, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
12 games
Garko has played himself out of an offer of arbitration, in my opinion. Sandoval is the first baseman of the immediate future. His current youthful agility won’t last in that body and he’s not long for third base.
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by chacabuco on Sep 14, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s had about 100 bad ABs and he’s gotten absolutely none chance to get himself out of that slump… he’s a guy who had over 1500 PA of about ~109 OPS+ production in Cleveland and is now completely buried because of 104 PA of 68 OPS+ production.
He’s not a savior at first base, but the fact that the Giants are going to let him go for nothing this offseason after giving up something pretty damn good to get him is a joke.
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by jponry on Sep 14, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had all 44 plate appearances before he became a platoon player and less than 100 PA before he was banished completely to the bench. That’s a significant amount of sample size to judge people. I mean, that’s more than Bowker got, and we all know that guy can’t play. Garko hit .230 BABIP with 18.6% LD%. That just proves that his ability to hit the ball right at people in the National League. He may find holes in the American league, but in the National league? no way. Those Line Drives are outs sucker, learn to hit ground balls like Aaron Rowand and bat .320 BABIP please on 17% LD%.
He is a platoon player at best, and should be released at the end of the year. Just like Jay Bruce. Inability to hit high BABIP is a skill that cannot be learned, you’re either born with it or you’re not.
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by jctGamer on Sep 17, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be tendered arb this offseason but I’m beginning to think he won’t be. Ugh.
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by jponry on Sep 14, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it will be a pretty unbelievable fail if they don’t offer him arbitration
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by SF Pete on Sep 14, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. Is he a better use of a roster spot than Jesus Guzman, who would earn 10 or 20 percent as much money?
Probably he is, but you don’t want to compound a dumb move by holding onto a player in some vague hope that he will somehow make the original move look less dumb.
by Evan on Sep 14, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Guzman had an MLE of .276/.323/.413 this year… that gives Garko (career) about 30 points of OBP and 30 points of SLG on him.
The original move was dumb, it was dumb at the time, there’s no getting around it. But it happened and, unless the Giants actually do go out and find a legit 1B, Garko (maybe platooned with Ishikawa) is the best option for 1B we have in the system right now. How he’s hit as a Giant is irrelevant – it seems pretty clear from his career that he’s more of a .340-.350 wOBA bat, which, yes, we know isn’t great for a 1B but on the Giants, it’d be the second best mark on the team. That’s unfortunate, but it’s how it is. 100 bad PA shouldn’t change that.
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by jponry on Sep 14, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather have Garko, for sure. But there may well be players floating around who could do his job (RH platoon partner for Ishikawa) just as well. And if we add a real first baseman in the off-season — and they’re surely going to try — then we definitely don’t want to be paying Garko $3 million a year or whatever.
by Evan on Sep 14, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, hopefully, they’ll have an idea of what’s out there in terms of available first basemen (since he’d probably have to come in a trade) before the non-tender deadline.
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by jponry on Sep 14, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Garko will cost $3M? If that’s the case I’d rather just put that money toward Nick Johnson. If it was more like $1M Garko would be an ideal platoon partner/insurance policy for Johnson.
by taliesin on Sep 14, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know, I’m terrible at guessing salaries. Looking at last year’s first-year arb players, Conor Jackson got three mil, Luke Scott got 2.4, Mike Jacobs got 3.25, Ryan Church got 2.8 …
Scott Hairston and Matt Diaz and Gabe Gross got $1.25 million each. Maybe that’s Garko’s proper cohort.
by Evan on Sep 14, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, based on that I’d say he’s probably toward the bottom of that first group of guys, so likely $2M and change. At that price I would think keeping him would be the right move unless the budget was really so tight that the $2M meant the difference in being able to afford Holliday (or another good player) or not. That seems pretty unlikely.
by taliesin on Sep 14, 2009 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free Guzman!
(OK, not free, but a fraction of a Garko!)
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by Goofus on Sep 14, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he a better use of a roster spot than Jesus Guzman, who would earn 10 or 20 percent as much money?
That’s not the question. The question is, will he get more in arbitration than he’s worth? The answer is no. At worst we put him on the block and see what kind of offers we get, but because he’s so cheap, we’ll definitely offer him.
by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? No, that’s not the question at all. Who cares what he’s “worth”? The question is whether you want this guy on the team at the salary he’s going to draw.
by Evan on Sep 14, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what he’s "worth"?
I dunno, generally GM’s in baseball trying to build a team? If Garko is valued as a $5M asset, and you can get him for $3M (or even less, I have no idea how much he’s projected to get in arbitration but I can’t imagine it’s more than that), yes, you get him for that. Worst case scenario you flip him for a small profit. Otherwise you keep him and you get more value from him than you pay for. That’s how markets work, and that’s why we’ll offer him arb. Ryan Garko is not a replacement level player, he has value, and there is simply no reason not to tender him. To make things even better, our current 1B situation isn’t very good itself.
by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Garko is valued as a $5M asset,
By whom? How many teams have a use for Garko at all? Of those, how many of those would be willing to pay him $5 million? Of those, how many of those would be willing to pay him $5 million AND give up something to get him?
In short, the 30-team MLB market isn’t liquid enough for this sort of arbitrage. You can easily get stuck holding the bag.
by Evan on Sep 14, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, like earlier speculation, the point is it’s probably safe to say he’ll be paid in the $2-3M range, but his production is better than that. That should mean someone is willing to give us something for him, even if it’s only a small time lower level prospect. With the DH over in the AL, plenty of teams I’m sure could use another ok bat. Just as an example, the Mariners ran out Griffey and Sweeney as their DH platoon this season pretty often. Griffey has put up a .317 wOBA and Sweeney a .324 wOBA. Garko has a career wOBA of .348. Teams can use his production. Hell, the Giants could use his production at the moment.
by Missing Barry on Sep 14, 2009 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is simply no reason not to tender him
If the Giants think the ~$2 M he’ll earn in arb is better spent on someone else (Brad Penny? Chone Figgins? Tim Lincecum?), that’s a reason for them to non-tender him.
If the Giants think Garko will never hit at Mays Field, that’s a reason for them to non-tender him.
Those might not be good reasons, in your view (or mine), but they are reasons.
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by leftymalo on Sep 15, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well my point is basically he’s worth more than the money we’d pay him so even if we don’t want him we can send him somewhere else (not for anything worthwhile, of course, but at least for something, AND that gives us additional flexibility and options for some amount of time.
by Missing Barry on Sep 15, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think his salary will affect the team one way or another.
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by Goofus on Sep 14, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not going to make or break anything, but three million is three million. That’s money that can’t be spent elsewhere, going to a player who may not play.
You don’t offer a player arbitration unless you’re committing to him as a regular or semi-regular, imho.
by Evan on Sep 14, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s money that can’t be spent elsewhere, going to a player who may not play.
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by Kitspool on Sep 14, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be offered arbitration
The whole reason the Giants got him is because there is nobody on the team that can hit lefties besides Pablo, Torres, Nate, and the two new guys (Garko & Sanchez2.) There is still some question as to whether Nate and Torres can do it long term at the big league level. Whether he is starter or not, the Giants will give him arbitration. If by some miracle they pick up a better player through trade or FA, then they can always trade him away at a later date. Just because he has sucked it up at home for the Giants doesn’t mean he can’t hit anymore
by m34josh on Sep 14, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the GM
If Sabes is re-signed, then I agree with you that he will get arb. Sabes’ ego is just too huge to admit that he made such a bad trade just 4 months prior to arb. But, if there’s a new GM then he might just decide to go in a different direction. I’d put the odds at 60:40 that a new GM would offer him arb. If I was GM I’d arb him and then trade him as soon as he hit a hot streak next year. His D is so mediocre and bat so unremarkable that I never see him being more than an occasional starter even in our lineup.
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by Fla-Giant on Sep 15, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Just because he has sucked it up at home for the Giants doesn’t mean he can’t hit anymore”
I just get the feeling that the Giants (or just Bochy) believe he can’t hit.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Sep 14, 2009 4:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely possible considering some of the guys he puts in the lineup every day because he believes they can hit
by m34josh on Sep 14, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has decent Trade Value
The Nationals need a stopgap at 1B with Nick Johnson gone and Chris Marrero about a year and a half away. Maybe Sabes could try to swing a trade to send him to DC.
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by Gobroks on Sep 15, 2009 3:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
there is no way they could aquire him and let him go. half his appeal was that they could sign him for next year. i think the arb him and give him another shot to start at first.
by gntfan10 on Sep 15, 2009 6:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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