Starting the Clock Early on Bumgarner and Posey
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 10, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
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PrintMadison Bumgarner’s velocity is down from where it was last season.
Madison Bumgarner was the best pitcher available for Tuesday night’s game, and represented the best chance for the Giants to win a game.
Those two statements are not mutually exclusive. The second one is debatable, but it’s a reasonable position to take. Even accounting for the drop in strikeouts in AA, Bumgarner has consistently allowed fewer runs than any other starter in the minor leagues. The Giants are in a race for a playoff spot. They wanted to go with whom they perceived to be their best option, regardless of that player’s contract status, 40-man roster status, or possible future arbitration awards. And I salute that.
I would like to give the Giants credit for wanting to win now. I would like to give the Giants credit.
It’s only fair. I spend a lot of time focusing on what the Giants are doing wrong, like batting Bengie Molina cleanup, continuing to give time to Randy Winn, ignoring the minor league performances of their best prospects, creating starting lineups on the advice of tea leaves and chicken bones, continuing to start Edgar Renteria even when Juan Uribe is probably the better option, signing veterans to contracts that are far too expensive, pitching Bob Howry in every freaking walk-off situation from now until the end of time, burying Fred Lewis, deciding that isolated hot streaks have more predictive value than a player’s career up to that point, focusing too much on what players can’t do rather than what they can do, weighing intangibles and veteran leadership far too heavily when making roster decisions, burying two of the best OBP options in the organization on a team that’s desperate for OBP, continuing to sit Buster Posey because catchers under the age of 25 are incapable of not chewing their own tongue when a pitcher shakes them off, continuing to keep Brian Bocock on the 40-man roster at the expense of every other player even though Bocock is hitting -.003 in A-ball and would pass through waivers with the greatest of ease, trading away prospects for expensive players without getting any financial considerations back even though that seems to be what every other team is capable of doing, trading prospects for players who will just rot on the bench if they have 100 plate appearances that magically mean more than the rest of their career to that point, pretending that a team without the ability to hit can just focus on speed ‘n’ defense to make everything better, and charging too much for beer.
And yet, they’ve had a winning season. So I’d like to give them credit for this isolated point. It’s the least I can do.
In isolation, calling up Buster Posey and Bumgarner makes a ton of sense. When cobbling together a collection of the best durn 25 to 40 players the Giants have under their control, it’s hard to imagine those two not making the list. Not calling them up because you’re worried about an arbitration award they might receive if they turn out to be great players that meet the requirements for super-two status is silly. Nate Silver calculated that making the playoffs earns a team about $30M in extra revenue on average, so while there is a financial risk, there is also the possibility of a financial reward for calling up Posey and Bumgarner. If they contribute, and the Giants make the playoffs by a single game, the risk will have paid off handsomely.
Well, that’s in isolation. In practice, Bochy has no idea what to do with Posey, so the benefits of calling him up are completely wasted. And there is still some question as to Bumgarner’s ability to handle major league hitters with his reduced velocity and inconsistent breaking pitches, so it’s possible that another organizational option would have given the Giants a better chance to win on Tuesday night.
Also, this all makes a difference when the team isn’t soiling themselves against inferior competition. Kevin Correia and Wade LeBlanc joined together to form a pitching Voltron of doom, when they should really only form a unibrow on a socially awkward pitching Voltron of occasionally moderate discomfort.
But in isolation, it’s a good thing to ignore arbitration clocks in a playoff race. I approve.
Now put Buster Posey in a game before I stab the next drifter I see.
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I really don’t care about arbitration clock starting. If a guy is in your immediate future plans and he’s good enough to be there right now then by all means bring him up. My issue is with Bochy refusing to use Posey AT ALL. I understand bringing him up mostly for depth purposes, but at the same time you can at least put him into a game when you have a 7 run lead going into the 9th inning, or give him a pinch hit appearance with 2 guys on and nobody out. Let him get his feet wet.
Pretty much
If both are going to make the opening day roster in 2010, the arbitration clock thing is a non issue. But WTF? Why no Posey? I have little doubt he would be one of the best hitters in the lineup and Bengie is one of the worst zomg ribbies
by microwave donut on Sep 10, 2009 12:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It would be nice to know if was able to get some practice in now
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by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Bochy just hates Posey because his name already has a ‘y’ on the end of it.
by xanthan on Sep 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Busetery poseyey
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From the Buster Posey Called Up thread, in reference to what his nickname will be….
Bat Boy, because he will be on the bench. Watching Bengie Molina bat cleanup
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Bochy nickname prediction for Buster: Pose.
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by Mayor of 311 on Sep 10, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Bust a Pose!
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Now. That's fairly begging for a parody, isn't it?
This here’s a tale for all the fellas
Tryin’ to do what the big club tells us.
Blocked by a player who’s now defective?
Get shot down ‘cause you’re too effective.
Get drafted highly, play with styley,
Pop on the scene like you’re Cyrus, Miley—
Sit on the bench like your ass is froze?
You know what to do— just Bust a Pose.
(ooh ooh, ah, ah, ah… ooh ooh, ah, ah, ah…)
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by Mayor of 311 on Sep 10, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Total win.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fantastic
needs more green
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sweet!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 11, 2009 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Very Nice Mayor !
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Busty Poser?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 10, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
GIS for Busty Poser
….never mind
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be shocking and ill-advised if MadBum started next season in the major league rotation.
If they had not called up Posey this month, I would be neutral as to whether he should start the season in the majors. But now that they’ve started his arb clock, to avoid Super 2 status they’d have to wait until the end of June to call him up. I don’t think that’s a good idea, so at this point the best thing to do is just make him the opening day starter and hope he’s good right away.
This on both accounts
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If he comes into camp throwing 94 and mowing down major league hitters, and there’s an opening in the rotation, it wouldn’t be crazy.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 10, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems unlikely, but I suppose. What I saw the other night did not convince me that he’s close to ready. But if he really is just tired and after a rest starts throwing mid-90s again, sure, he probably is the best option, even with iffy secondary stuff.
Sabean on Bumgarner
Sabean indicated they wanted him to pitch more and throw less. That was an explanation for why his velocity is down. More off speed stuff and working on getting hitters out early. Cain threw harder his first year or so. They’ve dialed him down a bit to get him later into games. My concern is that Bum should have been amped to the max Tuesday. That should have added to his fastball.
I'm pretty sure
considering what Bumgarner has said about his velocity, that Sabean was 100% full of shit when he said that.
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I have no idea really, but I think the truth is somewhat in the middle. The Giants probably told Mad at some point to tone it down, and during the course of the season he got tired out from the work. Which all would combine to his lowered velocity and inability to really amp up. His amped up-ness probably contributed to some of the stuff high in the zone.
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by ringleader3 on Sep 10, 2009 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Given the absolutely stunning degree of domination that Bumgarner displayed last year, why exactly would anybody be inclined to tell him to do anything different?
The BS meter is ringing off the wall on that one.
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Seriously.
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The Brian Sabean meter?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 11, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Same Thing
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uhh
count me in the group that thinks that is unlikely @ best.
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For sure. But crazier things have happened.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 10, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Like Uribe starting as a last resort back and ending up being the best option at SS?
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*Last resort backup. He probably wouldn’t be a good back (HB or FB).
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IDK
I could see him opening some lanes for Frank.
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I don't see why
They are going to have to pay him eventually. I didn’t see anything from him that says he’s worse than Zito or Joe Martinez. He does need to get his velocity up, but he was still effective.
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He’s not ready based off his numbers in AA.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
There's a PT requirement for Super Two also
See this: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/9/2/1012419/buster-posey-called-up#20635298
If he’s not in the top 17% as the other Super Two possibles, then he’s not one.
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by achiappanza on Sep 10, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
and Bengie is one of the worst zomg ribbies
I read that as “and Bengie is one of the worst zombies”.
He’s already got the slow part going for him.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t you get the memo ? Bengie doesn’t qualify.
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Movies with fast zombies are wrong movies.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing wrong, is your opinion
/MEGABURN
Seriously though, slow zombies are dumb. There’s nothing scary about something I can outwalk.
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I dunno, I think there’s something pretty scary about a slow, shambling thing that will always follow you forever. Yeah, you can outwalk it, but YOU will eventually get tired. It will not.
Maybe I should say, there’s nothing wrong with a movie with fast zombies, except for the fact that they call them “zombies”. Zombies are slow by definition. Anything faster is not really a zombie anymore.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that makes sense. After seeing Dawn of the Dead though, I could never go back to zombie zombies.
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I have more zombie-related nightmares than any other type.
And the new Dawn was some scary-ass shit.
But the symbolism of the classic Romero zombie, as the Slate article to which nvsfg linked pointed out, is that of the braindead masses overwhelming and consuming the individual. The individual aspires to greatness, or at least independent thought, but is subsumed by the surrounding society and its McMall culture.
Thus, the point of the zombie is the LACK of exceptionalism. Yes, you can outrun one, or ten, or a hundred. You, as a living, breathing (tasty-brained) individual, are more fit (both literally and in the Darwinist sense) than almost everyone around you. But mob mentality is inherently hostile to the exceptional, because only in the individual’s greatness is the inferiority of the mob exposed. So the mob seeks a ‘taste’ of that greatness for itself, both in doomed efforts by individual zombies to acquire individual exceptionality, and in baser jealous efforts to drag the overachiever down to the mob’s level.
Perhaps the advent of the exceptional zombie is more than just filmmakers running out of places to trap protagonists by shuffling mobs. Perhaps it rather represents a basic shift in our societal fears. The zombie movie grew out of the 60s, when the Baby Boom kids- those most attending horror flicks at drive-ins and whatnot- started to see themselves as unique, precious individuals. The worst fear of the Woodstock-attending generation was turning into tie-wearing cubicle drones like their parents. Now, in a post-9/11 world, the tables are turned. The greater fear is the threat to society by the individual. There is no way to fully protect against the irrational act of the suicide bomber. So instead of fearing herd thinking, we fear the extreme individualist, the few who are so dedicatedly anti-societal that they willingly destroy themselves to lash out against it.
I dunno. This is all rather off the top of my head, so there may be basic flaws in the theory that I’m missing. Fire away if you see some. Obviously I find the topic fascinating. Sorry to get all thesis-length on y’all.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Oddly informative.
I too have those same dreams. Craziest part is, I have only seen maybe 6 of these movies in my life. Comforting to know someone put more thought into it than"Oh, shit, I had another random zombie dream!?" Now I can sleep at night.
by MoreroidsforZito on Sep 10, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently...
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Wow, didn’t know it was such a hot topic. Neat!
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Somewhere in-between would be best
I think TOO slow can be silly. They shouldn’t be so slow that a crawling human can outrun them. However, they shouldn’t be faster than healthy athletic humans either…
But slow zombies are easier to shoot in the head
L4D FTW
btw, I don’t have that much knowledge into Zombie-lore, so excuse my ignorance.
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I’ve been reading this as of late, so the idea of freaky, yet slow zombies is very intriguing to me right now.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I freak out more over sudden surprises or things that are moving quickly. I can kind of calm myself if there’s something that looks worrisome nearby but is not moving quickly toward me.
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What if there are a hundred worrisome things all moving slowly toward you?
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Then I would probably freak out. BTW, how do zombies climb ladders? I never understood that part….of the Dawn of the Dead.
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The lore in the book I linked above says they can’t.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
SPOILER ALERT FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE ORIGINAL DAWN
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But then, how do those zombies climb the ladder to the roof at the end? I never understood that.
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L4D was a hilarious game
kinda shallow IMO but a hoot.
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Ever play on the harder difficulties where 1 shot of FF would take out a teammate? Those were frustratingly fun
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I've only played a few times. Wasn't very good
but it was fun.
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Yeah that game was tough. My roommate in college was more into it than I was and he’d have epic 2 1/2-4 hour sessions playing just one mission with his friends online. I don’t think I’d have the patience for that, so I liked going into online multiplayer and jumping into the games.
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Yeah
that’s what I did too. It was a lot of fun but I pretty much suck at games like that.
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the idea of slow zombies being scary
has to do with the fact that there are so damn many of them. And though they are slow, they do not stop.
But hey, fast zombies, why not. Who needs balance in their literature, now that freaking Superman can fly. All bets are off.
Boo fast zombies.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 10, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Me Hatez Fazt Zombiez.
Anybody see DAWN OF THE DEAD 2 with Mena Suvari?
Shit, they can even scale walls and crawl upside down along the ceiling faster than Spider-Man!
Not to be a spoil sport...
…but when did zombies start existing? Just sayin’
Non-existing you mean?
Undead Cannibals are a cinematic convention initiated by George Romero in NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD (1968) and at the time he preferred to call them “ghouls”.
Undead slave labor raised by Voodoo is a practice “recorded” in Haiti for only about the last 100 years.
I think he meant “LOL nerdz arguing about zombies as though they’re real!”
But I appreciate your refusing to rise to the bait and instead giving a useful, informed answer.
Sadly, it’s unlikely he was able to benefit from your information, as according to standard movie law, he was eaten by zombies immediately upon expressing his doubt in their existence (cf Westley Roberts v. R.O.U.S., 1987).
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
PB reference FTFW
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by bondslegend on Sep 10, 2009 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn Gina
That’s a lot of coin! So the Giants have been trying to make the playoffs all this time..?
Nate Silver calculated that making the playoffs earns a team about $30M in extra revenue on average
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I think we could lose the Miami vote
They’re not really too keen on FSU players. But, we can make a push for the Deep South and win some swing votes from Braves fans.
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How many? I thought they were drawing big crowds.
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Rockies idea of drawing a crowd.
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by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
true, but..
im beginning to think that they are MEANT to be in the playoffs. why/how else would they never lose? how many times have they been down in the 9th, only to win it on a walk off, in the past two weeks?
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by KINGofCRA5H on Sep 10, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That made me happy
fuck the Rockies and their stupid bandwagoners. I know the sox have a lot of that too, but whatever. They’ve been around for more than 4 months.
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I was actually rooting for the Rockies in 07, if only because I didn’t want to see the stupid Red Sox win ANOTHER title in such a short time. Plus, the Rockies being good that year meant nothing to us, because we sucked either way.
This year though, FUCK the Rockies.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
I always say fuck the rockies. I can’t stand teams that suddenly have a fan base when they’re making a playoff run. Say what you want about Sox fans, but fenway is always sold out, and they were pretty good even before 04. Tampa and Colorado’s fan bases have suddenly evaporated now.
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Sleeveless purple-trimmed jerseys with pinstriped pants. Nuff said.
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fuck that noise
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Yes
Besides, they are newbs. It pisses me off when upstarts win the WS (or even make it there), while we languish in purgatory…
At least we're not Cleveland.
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by Useful_Idiot on Sep 10, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate the bandwagon Red Sox fan. They would say “Oh I love Dustin Pedroia.” I watched them when they had Carney Lansford at 3rd base. These same fans would say “Who?”
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding.
Yeah there are plenty of them
but as opposed to the Rockies/ Rays crowd, where ALL of their fans are that way, at least the Red Sox have some sort of tradition. They have a lot of fans who have lived and died with their team for years.
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by bondslegend on Sep 10, 2009 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
BLAKE STREET BOMBERZZZ!!!
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The Rays don't have tradition? LOL! What about...
Boggs! Canseco! Crime Dog! Greg Vaughn! Brent Abernathy!
RANDY MU’FUCKIN’ WINN, BITCHEZZ!!11
Don’t you love the way he’s significantly subpar in 2009 compared to his 5-year average for a Tampa team that won fewer than four out of every ten games during his time there? I mean, not that’s that’s by any stretch all on him, but when your offense is so bad it makes you pine for the bat of a 1998-2003 era Devil Ray….
Sigh.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
amen
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Seriously
After their LOL win last night, it’s looking like the hand of God.
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bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Don't forget their comp
Rocks are playing teams just begging to be given a reason to lay down and go to sleep. When those same teams play the Giants, it’s like, “Well, we weren’t really gonna try and win the game, but if you’re only gonna score 2 runs, well, don’t mind if we do.”
I think it is less that the Rockies deserve playoffs as it is the Giants DON’T deserve playoffs. The only reason the Rockies are 4 up is because 1) the Giants lost 3 out of 4 against the Rockies when the Giants led every single game; 2) Giants lost the Philly series when any team AAA offense would have scored enough runs to win those games; 3) Giants failed to sweep the Brew crew when, again, any AAA offense would have scored enough runs to win that game; 4) the Giant Failures lost a series to the last place Pads.
No reason the Rox should be ahead of Giants in the Wild Card. But they are, such is the life of a Giants fan!
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My hope, as I've stated previously is that (as long as we are out)
I’d rather see the Rockies in #1 in the NL West. I don’t like them, but I hate Da Bums more!
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Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Since 8/28 Padres played 4 contenders and won every series 2-1.
ATL
FLA
LA
SF
They also took swept DC before the LA trip.
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by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 10, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Rox fans would enjoy that too much.
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Only if they can maintain plausible deniability about it in public.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 10, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy We does not deserve the post season
fixed
We do deserve the post season along with something that resembles an offense.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 10, 2009 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I BOWETH TO GRANT
Honestly, whatever legitimate reservations about Posey should be gone by now.
And no more of this Bengie apology please.
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
???!!!
Bengie hits balls IN the zone!? That’d blow my theory of his bizarro strikezone…
Bengie only hits balls out of the zone really well.
“That’s not a strike, I can hit that!”
Ankle high for first single. Chin level for second single.
/first pitch popup
//outside pitch rollover
///fire-ass
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Sep 10, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That's BASEBALL, Bitches!
2-5 is a good game
it’s good enough for the HOF if you can do it 100x/year for 15 years
To start, LAME!
I was summing up the season, not cherry picking a performance in a single game.
By saying “That’s BASEBALL, Bitches” if you mean having a terrible offensive approach, then yes, I agree.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Jeremy Affeldt induces DP's
by Giant among Angels on Sep 11, 2009 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The basepaths would be forever clogged.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 11, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
what's worse?
Bochy hardly ever plays Posey?
Or
The Giants completely fall out of contention w/o Posey. Bochy then puts in Posey and he completely rakes
If Posey rakes, Bochy needs to go into the witness protection program.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 10, 2009 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
this
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
by KINGofCRA5H on Sep 10, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
more like
WITLESS protection program, AMIRITE?
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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If the latter happens I think that would be the final nail in Bochy’s coffin and we would have a new coach next year.
"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs
What you said.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
It’s hard to see a downside in Posey raking.
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 10, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Kruk and Kuip are handling that these days.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If Posey rakes with the Giants out of contention, then Bochy better polish off his resume.
"It ain't over till it's over." - Yogi Berra
I’d love to read Bochy’s resume.
BORK BORK BACKUP CATCHER
BORK PADRES BORK BORK
BORK VINNY BORK CASTILLA
BORK GIANTS BENGIE CLEANUP BORK BORK BORKBORK
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he uses this: http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/
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nope
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/507
look the same, though.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
His resume with begin “works well with veterans. Will ignore significant shortcomings. Player’s manager (unless they are prospects).”
“Extensive experience ignoring prospects.”
“Refuses to cave to common sense and public perception by maintaining a well balanced bench for the ever important double switch.”
“Strong record for sticking with starters even they are clearly gassed and the bull pen is rested and reliable.”
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
Pft, he’ll be rusty from not playing in a game for a month. Bochy will take a 8 AB sample and say “this kid is not ready, we need to resign Bengie to a 3 year extension to give this kid more time. What, you don’t want to resign Bengie? Fine, Whiteside it is.”
I wish that fictitious conversation were merely a satire, but after watching Bochy for three years, I’m afraid of the real world applications. =(
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
But, Whiteside is a rookie, too. Is Whiteside’s hair throwing Bochy off and making him think “gritty, gamer vet”?
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
He’s a seasoned journeyman, not some young punk.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
It is good to have more than a single shortened season under your belt before catching at the MLB level.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 10, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
12 plate appearances in 2005
That’s what Whiteside had as before he got action with the Giants.
Maybe it’s the hair, Bork thinks he’s the same age as Bork
But in a D: way
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Well you get both with the Giants! HOORAY BEER
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
The Giants are mostly tragedy.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Romance
between Bochy and Rowand/Molina/Winn
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
BORKmance
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Bumgarner’s arbitration clock seems completely irrelevant, since he’s very unlikely to start next season as a candidate for the big-league team. But calling up Posey and then not playing him is bizarre financial mismanagement.
Bumgarner is the one I am worried about b/c he is at the end of the season, only his second full season, he is tired and a pitcher. He is more likely to be injured b/c of fatigue, and youth and if he gets injured up here he will collect service time. And if he isn’t injured and then goes down to AAA next year and absolutely dominates then this ~30 days of service time will change everything.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is wrong
What he is saying is that Bumgarner is very likely to start the season off in the minors. If so, I’d guess they’d wait to call him up until July 1 at the earliest since this will keep him from reaching Super 2. So, his arb clock isn’t really an issue.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Sep 10, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone else brought this up yesterday in either the Gameday or Postgame thread, but putting aside the arb clock issue, if Bochy was willing to go for the first two weeks of the season with only Pablito as his backup catcher (even when Panda was starting at 3rd base), then why on earth is he putting in Whiteside in late-inning double-switches or pinch hitting? Because he’s thinking about some wacky strategic endgame scenario in the 18th inning which would leave him without a catcher? My head hurts.
"If you want to walk, watch a mailman."--Shawon Dunston
"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
Because Bochy is full of shit. He’s not showing any consistency or logic behind what he says.
/awaits GRM or OGC retort
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McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I Trust The FO More Than Your Opinion
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
I Trust FO Mor Then You're Onion
Have you ever played the game? If not then you wouldn’t understand.
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
grm & ogc
give them a break, someone has to counterbalance the lunaticy fringyness
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
I appreciate that they’ve each given themselves screen names that signal that they’re a touch… unbalanced.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
MONEY DOWN THE STRETCH BITCHES
(oh dear, I think i did that wrong, actually)
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Both moves make sense, but it doesn’t make sense when all Posey is doing is sitting on the damn bench every game. There’s no reason to start his clock for that.
But he’s not on the bench, he is catching in the bull pen. He’s getting major league experience. I don’t see what the big fuss is about sarcasm
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
If someone had floated the idea that Posey would be called up on Sept 2 and that by Sept 11th, he would have had played in zero games meaning he had zero At Bats, he pinch ran zero times, he caught zero balls, he played LF zero times, and he pitched zero pitches, all while 10 valable service days ticked off his clock, oh and while his .321/.484/.692 line from AAA sat idle in favor of Bengie (.260/.282/.431) Molina- if that happened, there would have been a San Francisco Bay Tea Party, and we might have learned if ATT Park could float.
.69 FUCKING 2 SLUGGING
HFS THIS JUST IN: BUSTER IS GOOD
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG. I knew he was good but I guess I wasn’t paying enough attention. Jesus christ. 1.100 OPS?? YEAH FUCKING SIT THAT GUY, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
God I am even more angry now.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Uh, that’s not Buster’s line from AAA. Not sure what it is…
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
It looks like his BA from AAA combined with his OBP and SLG from rookie ball.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
you’re right, but it sure looks pretty good…
.321/.391/.511, I should have taken my medicine this morning…
oh no question
it’s still really awesome.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
lol I was gonna say
HFS if that was true. I knew it was great, didn’t think it was Tim Lincecum of batting great.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
Nice handle.
Are you trying to impersonate me?
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Cap'n Crunch ?
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
I left my teabag in San Francisco.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I don't think that's the right lyric.
although it’s been so long since I’ve heard the song after a game, I dunno anymore.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
"Waaaaah!"-Bengie Molina
by natteringnabob on Sep 10, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I just found out Seth Smith’s real first name is Gary. Secret terrorist hellbent on our destruction? You decide.
Seth Smith = xanthan's real name
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Anyone else following the CIN @ COL game?
I’m getting pretty close to jamming a pencil in my eye.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Kuip this morning
Thinks Bochy is just being cautious with using Posey and then not having him available in case of emergency (you know, a meteor hits the field and takes out Benji and Whiteside after Posey’s already pinch hit).
Just the idea that he’s being cautious right now pisses me off. If there is ever a time to fire all your bullets, this is it.
What the hell is Brett Favre doing here?
The idea of being cautious because in some really convoluted situation, the Giants might have to deal with Ryan Garko or Eugenio Velez catching for like one or two innings is absolutely ridiculous.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, obviously Garko doesn't get to play at all, so catching's not an option
and Velez at catcher makes me scared.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
Well, obviously. But there’s, what, a 1% chance that that will ever come to pass?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
.1%?
I can only remember one time the Giants have ever had to go to their emergency catcher. It’s extremely rare.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
That was fun. Happy Pete at C! Winn at 3rd! Lowry in RF!
I can’t actually remember who was pitching, but it was heart-stoppingly stressful every time Feliz was faced with a slider. Kind of like Feliz batting, actually.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Sep 10, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Lowry in RF was legendary. I just remember laughing and laughing. I remember nothing else about that game.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
I remember more than I wish I did from that game.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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I remember the final result
and who hit it
dont remember who was pitching, although Im fairly certain they were black.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Brad Hennessey was the pitcher?
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GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
maybe
Thats what happens when you get old, your brain plays tricks on you,
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Hennessey was the loser
Found the box score here.
I’d forgotten that the last out of the game was a strikeout by right fielder Noah Lowry. And that Dan Ortmeier made his only major league appearance in CF in that 10th inning.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Given that that season was totally meaningless, all I remember is how fun it was.
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
The Giants have 5 players on the roster who have caught for a significant period of time (i.e. not emergency catchers), any apocalyptic scenario is bullshit on Bochy’s part and par for the course.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
a better idea
save Whiteside for a damn emergency. Play Buster.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
No. Whiteside handles pitchers. Buster Posey has never seen a pitcher in his life.
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
I don’t want to know this =(
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/me drinks beer and rocks slowly to self
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Hey beer.
I picked up a six-pack of Sierra Nevada’s Torpedo IPA last night. Good stuff, a favorite. Also, got the ‘08 Sam Adams Longshot winner six-pack. I’ve had it before, but I really enjoyed the Bock and Double IPA. The Cranberry beer was decent, if not interesting.
We don’t get any of the interesting Sam Adams stuff out here. I have a six pack of the 21A’s brew free or die IPA (IN CANS!) in my beer fridge at work. 21A is the brewery down the street from the Phone, if you didn’t know.
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Local Beer Question:
I was shocked (SHOCKED!) to see my local Kroger carrying some Gordon Biersch (sp?) yesterday. I know we’ve got some GB fans in here, how is there stuff? I’ve been to SF a handful of times, but never had any. The store had their Marzen and Blonde Bock, I think. I was tempted to pick up the Marzen since it’s a good time of year for that style.
Is the Marzen worth checking out? Yes, no?
Never had Marzen but
check out Schlitz. I’m pretty sure it’s a microbrew of some sort.
by Hoist That Rag on Sep 10, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
you can say that again!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not a fan. It’s just fine, I suppose, but they usually miss the mark with their seasonals. They aren’t really anywhere near as innovative as most of the places around here. The blond bock is nice cause I think it has a nice high ABV. I don’t remeber much of the martzen, but I would guess it’s rather middle of the road.
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It’s a stronger choice, for sure. IMO
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Look at your sentence again and ask yourself where, other than McC, would that even begin to make sense…
LOL at the first review.
An excerpt: "This item has wolves on it which makes it intrinsically sweet and worth 5 stars by itself, but once I tried it on, that’s when the magic happened. After checking to ensure that the shirt would properly cover my girth, I walked from my trailer to Wal-mart with the shirt on and was immediately approached by women…
DISALLOWED!
It would have been acceptable if a penis related definition of VORB was included.
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 10, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Value Over Replacement Bollocks
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 10, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
More than just SF...
They’ve got restaurants all around the DC Area, which is your home base at the moment, yes?
Yeah...
Tyson’s Corner has one, plus Downtown D.C. right next to the Verizon Center. There might be more…
Their food is worse than their beer.
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I’m not much an aficionado of german sytles. YMMV
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I knew the Reds were going to lose when they had a shot of Dusty Baker in the dugout wearing a beret and holding a white flag up with a toothpick.
"If you want to walk, watch a mailman."--Shawon Dunston
"If you want to bunt, bake a cake."--Bruce Bochy
I knew the Reds were going to lose when they hada shot ofDusty Baker in the dugoutwearing a beret and holding a white flag up with a toothpick.
/fixed.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was encouraged when I saw that Contreras had thrown 60+ pitches in 3 innings, but trusting Kip Wells was my downfall.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
The Rockies never losing a game was only supposed to be a joke!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Buster Olney on KNBR
its 10 min, he always has some good info. I can’t wait to see how Sabean spends all this new money this off-season… who am I kidding he’ll fuck it up.
Hes not gonna have alot of money to play with.
Cots has next years commitments at 51 (Down from 88). that roughly frees up 37 million. You got to add F. Sanchez’s 9 million in, so 28M. Also assume Tim gets 8(on the light side), Brian Wilson gets 3 and Dirty gets 3 that brings you to 14 million. Thats enough for one semi-elite player and isnt really a lot of money (in baseball terms)
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we need to add in $ for Garko?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Bochy’s master plan was to give Garko no playing time so that they wouldn’t have to pay him anything in arbitration. See, he’s not so dumb after all.
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
Also, I don’t think $88M is necessarily the ceiling if they think the team can compete.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Remember when the Reds came to San Francisco and won 2 of 3?
:’)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I remember. We were error-less in that series. Right?
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Funny, I was just looking at the line of Paul Janish (to my knowledge, he is not a Professor of Midevil Italian Music at Berkeley) and realized the Reds might have a worse lineup than even the Giants.
(Medieval)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
That’s what happens when you consort with the Midevil.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 10, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
…in the pale moonlight?
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember Tim Lincecum pitching beautifully and then it gets kind of foggy.
"Just another ahahahaha... laugher."
bok bok bok... BOCOCK!
32.5 Million coming off the books
10 mil raise to lincecum
22.5 to upgrade roster with.
How will sabean screw it up?
Jermaine Dye
3 years, 32 Million
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Bengie Molina
2 Years, 23 million
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Yea, like get under 250 pds.
"The big thing people say to me is, 'Why don't you ever smile?' Well, I'm too interested in trying to beat somebody right now to smile." Will Clark
"I'm close to six feet, I like to think." The Freak.
Don’t forget F. Sanchez’s 9 mil option, BW and S Sanchez get raises too
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And Garko!
Oh, who am I kidding? He’ll be non-tendered.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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RP gets 1M raise
SP gets 1.6M Raise
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
According to baseball-reference our attandance is only up ~160 seats/game
160*81= about 13,000 additional seats
13000*40(being generous with pricing)= $520,000
I R 5
by say hey nation on Sep 10, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
C – Buster Posey – $400k
1B – Ryan Garko – $400k
2B – Freddy Sanchez – $8MM
SS – Edgar Renteria – $9MM
3B – Pablo Sandoval – $400k
LF – Fred Lewis – $400k
CF – Aaron Rowand – $12MM
RF – Nate Schierholtz – $400k
SP – Tim Lincecum – $10MM?
SP – Matt Cain – $4.25MM
SP – Barry Zito – $18.5MM
SP – Jonathan Sanchez – ?
SP
RP – Brian Wilson – ???
RP – Jeremy Affeldt – $4MM
RP – Sergio Romo – $400k
RP – Brandon Medders – $400k
B – Eli Whiteside – $400k
B – Travis Ishikawa – $400k
B – Eugenio Velez – $400k
obviously lol @ garko or lewis starting but i just filled in the roster with players we have commitments to. this comes out to like $70MM without counting the raises that wilson or dirty get. did i miss anyone?
FREE BUSTER
by TimLincecumIsGod on Sep 10, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
SS – Edgar Renteria – $9MM
really? wow. really? i mean obviously i knew already but…
ughhhh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
But, you know what’s pretty awesome? Rajai Davis has been worth a little over +3 wins this year. Rowand has just crack +2 wins.
And to think we all thought the Morris trade was a salary dump. Sabean would look brilliant if he had kept Rajai…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
it isn’t as if Rajai would have been good had he stayed on the Giants. He probably would have rotted on the bench.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
this
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It's all like
an’ uh
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=cf&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2009&month=0
Don’t have salary data handy for each, but seems like we can do better…
doesn’t feel near as bad as edgar getting $9MM
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by TimLincecumIsGod on Sep 10, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve convinced myself that once he gets his elbow fixed, he’s going to back to .280/.340/.410 and play average defense at SS!
That got an actual LOL.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
2011: $10.5M club option w/ $0.5M buyout
I don’t completely trust the team NOT to exercise it, but I assume they won’t.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Once again I am depressed.
If you would have asked me at the beginning of the year whether I would have preferred Uribe at SS over other options on the market I would have laughed. $1mil SS is looking pretty good right about now.
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I thought Garko was going into arbitration next year, so he’ll be a bit more. Unless we don’t offer it to him, which seems like a possibility at this point.
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So that means we gave up a good pitching prospect to rent a platoon player for a few months?
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by natteringnabob on Sep 11, 2009 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant more the Garko trade itself, but I’ll let you have this one.
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by Zetsuboushita on Sep 11, 2009 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
wouldn’t be the first time
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't the Giants want Garko?
He’s the best option they have ATM. Then again, that’s a logical conclusion and the Giants are infamous for illogical action.
Ugh, why do I have to be Giants fan?!
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Well
Now they’re not even playing him against lefties sometimes, which is epically stupid, so I wonder if they think they have any reason to keep him.
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The most frustrating thing about this whole Garko situation was that he was one of the only hitters getting on base in the Philly series, yet Bochy yanked him for Ishi and has not played him since.
I mean, WTF!?
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i thought he was injured.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
At least there won’t be any bonuses paid to anyone for winning, you know, WS MVP or for Zito winning a Cy Young.
Also, here’s a link to Cot’s that shows 2009-2013 payroll obligations: http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT1HXvmS0G6qaA
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What sucks about this lineup you have for next year, is that it looks worse on paper than this years offense. Gotta replace Lewis with a power hitter, get rid of Garko, and try to get another good hitter at 1st base.
OR, sign Molina to a 2 year deal, and see if Posey can play 1st or LF…. I believe he use to play a little shortstop in college, so he’s gotta have some sorta skills to play the infield.
Posey can backup Molina (while he learns the position a little better), as well as keeping Whiteside in a reserve catcher role… not to mention the panda can play that spot too.
You know there are crappy FA catchers available for like $1M per year, right? Any special reason you would want to pay Molina, the crappy catcher we currently have, $5M or so, when we already have a good young catcher on the roster who is making $400k and should start?
I really really hope Bengie is not back next year.
sign Jason Kendall
he’s a free agent he’ll be 36 next June. I’d love for the Giants to get him to help mold Buster into a fine young stud catcher. I’d pay a little bit more for him, too.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
DO NOT WANT
did want 1996-2004
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Sep 10, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
you could do a lot worse for a backup/mentor.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Kendall
Agree. He’d be a good signing to back up Posey. But a better idea is to have Posey play left field in the Arizona instructional league. Why have a guy that is potentially a great hitter and stick him behind the plate where (1) 20+ games a year their bat is dead because of their catching load (2) the risk of injury is significantly higher and (3) they don’t generally have as long a career.
Add to the fact that the Giants DESPERATELY need outfielder, plus Posey is for all accounts a great athlete that can play anywhere and it makes sense.
Then you sign Molina and hit him 7th or 8th where he belongs. It is not Molina’s fault that he’s hitting 4th.
. Why have a guy that is potentially a great hitter and stick him behind the plate where (1) 20+ games a year their bat is dead because of their catching load (2) the risk of injury is significantly higher and (3) they don’t generally have as long a career.
Because the number of guys who can hit like Buster Posey is actually pretty sizeable. The number of those guys who have the physical ability to catch is very, very small.
Thing C
Other positions!? This is garbage.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Good god, those guys need to calm the fuck down.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 11, 2009 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Why you want to take someone at the top of the defensive spectrum and move him all the way down immediately is beyond me.
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And again
for right now, the Giants shouldn’t be worrying about his career 10-12 years down the road. They should work on getting as much value out of him for the 6 years they control him as possible. And that means letting him catch.
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Exactly
Who cares if he breaks down somewhat when he’s 30 years old and getting 20 mil a year for the Red Sox or Yanks.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 11, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Like CC in Milwaukee last year.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 11, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
First, what jponry said. Second, the fact that you would want to bring back Molina, who will likely cost $5-6M per year (and he wants more than one year), shows that you haven’t thought this through.
Please look at this. That is all the major league catchers with at least 250 2009 PAs, ranked by wOBA. See Bengie Molina, way down the list there? You’ll notice guys like Miguel Olivo and Gregg Zaun up above him. Those guys aren’t making $5-6M. So unless you somehow think Bengie is MUCH better than an average defensive catcher, he isn’t close to worth what he’s going to be paid, no matter whether he bats 4th or 7th. (And PS he can’t bat 8th, either, because the pitcher wouldn’t be able to bunt him over.)
I don't think Garko is all that bad.
At least he’s serviceable, unlike Ishi. I’d rather the Giants get a legit 1b power threat but I think that’s unrealistic at this point. At least with Garko, you get a decent #5 or #6 hitter with average defensive abilities. If the Giants can pick up a power bat for LF they’re lineup 1-6 wouldn’t look too bad for next year.
1) Need lead off hitter
2) F Sanchez
3) Panda
4) Power hitting LF
5) Garko (assuming he returns to form)
6) Schierholtz
7) Posey (until such time as he can move up in the lineup, which would really help this team)
Of course this lineup ignores Roward, Renteria, Uribe, which would probably be forced into this lineup. If Posey adjusted quickly to MLB pitching, I suppose we could bat him leadoff and see how he handles it.
I know the power bat in LF is being optimistic, I’m just looking for something to lift my spirits after a terrible offensive 2009 season.
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This might be a stupid question, but are they going to sign Uribe next year? Will they have to pay him more than he’s making now?
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I think they will re-sign Uribe, but hopefully they don’t go crazy with the years or dinero.
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Nah, its not a stupid question.
I don’t think the Giants brass have made any comments regarding Uribe for next year. Given his production, he’ll probably ask for more but given the market, he may have to settle for a small increase for what he received this year.
I guess the determining factor as to whether Giants try to resign him is whether they feel their other utility infielders are a significant downgrade from Uribe. Namely, Frandsen, Rohlinger, Downs, Burriss, Bocock.
After listing those names, I presume the Giants will try to resign him haha!
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it's actually a good question
he’s making $1M this year and to re-sign him it’d probably cost at least $1.5 or $2 (assuming he ends the season on a high note). he’s a great utility guy to have on this team and it’d be worth it. He shouldn’t get anything more than a 1 year deal, though.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey isn’t gonna learn to play catcher better if he’s playing in the outfield or at first base, which would be a complete waste of his talents.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
No it wouldnt
He would probably hit better actually
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Posey’s value is higher if he stays behind the dish. However, it might be nice to give him a day at first or whatever once a week to keep him fresh.
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not sure how having him run around the outfield would help him stay fresh, though I could see how a stint at first base would do that.
It’s not that he can’t play those positions, but, as you say, his numbers at catcher will make him most valuable (plus his defense) and we really do have those other positions covered.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
and we really do have those other positions covered with feces.
Fixed.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why a waste of his talents?
His biggest talent is his bat. That will take a hit with him catching. He is more susceptible to injury catching. And the career isn’t as long. I’d move him to the outfield permanently – starting in the instructional league. It worked very well for Craig Biggio (catcher to center to second base). Posey reminds me a bit of Biggio. I think its mistake to have him catch.
Biggio went catcher to second base to center field (back to second base.)
It would be a GIGANTIC HUGE HORRIBLE mistake to move Buster to freakin’ LEFT FIELD when, by all accounts, he is very athletic and is a good catcher. At the very least, let’s talk about moving him to third base or shortstop or second base or something.
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This is an interesting question
Why did Florida State move him from SS to catcher? My assumption was that it was because he didn’t have very good range at SS, but did have a good arm, so it was a way to keep his bat in the lineup while still playing a premium defensive position. But if he actually was good, but they just had a need at catcher, I would be more open to the idea of his playing some infield. I suppose even if he had poor range at SS, he could still play third anyway. (I still think he should mostly catch, though.)
I think it was based on need.
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Top hitting catchers in the NL, by OPS:
Miguel Montero, .870
Brian McCann, .826
Chris Iannetta, .787
Top hitting outfielders in the NL:
Manny Ramirez, .986
Adam Dunn, .970
Seth Smith, .961
…followed by 8 more OFs with OPSs higher than Montero’s. And I’m not even counting guys with under 300 PAs in the NL, like Matt Holliday.
So you could take the best hitting catcher in the league, move him to the outfield, and he’d be about the 12th best hitting outfielder.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe you are correct.
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renteria is actually $10M next year
it was $8M this year
$2MM signing bonus
2009: $7MM
2010: $9MM
total $18MM
FREE BUSTER
by TimLincecumIsGod on Sep 10, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
ah, thanks
I knew it went up by $2MM this year.
I hear that Edgardo Alfonso is available
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
5 years/$60 Million?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Voltron is obscure now?
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Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
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Thing C
I don’t care when their clock starts… as long as the owners and management know that they need to resigned at some point…. and that contracts like Rowand and Zito should be seen as a loss, and they should move forward.
What sucks, is that all these guys are going to get paid, yet, we’re still going to need another hitter in the future, unless you want Posey and Sandoval to be the only decent hitters next year… they would still only hit 100 HR’s or less.
Really, if it’s possible to restructure contracts in MLB like the NFL, and Rowand and Zito really want to win, they would restructure for us. Again, I don’t know if it’s possible, but that would just be awesome.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
They can agree to restructure, but Zito has 4 years left between $18.5 and $21 million I think. I don’t know how you restructure that, unless you defer payments…. even then it would be like $10 million per year for like, 8 years. BUT, then after year 4, you would be paying $10 million to a guy who’s no longer on the team. The Dodgers wanted to do that with Manny Ramirez, but he said No Way. There would have to be an incentive for Zito to want to do that.
Rowand is overpaid too… he’s an average hitter, and average fielder who should be paid around the $7-8 million per year mark.
the Union would never allow any restructuring of the contracts.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, did you hear about that Jeter guy? Heard he broke some important record or something.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
he said that we could be in the running for Jason Bay. Said it would be hard to get Holliday. Said that Crawford likely WILL be available this offseason too, and that he would be a good fit for us
With malice towards the Dodgers
Crawford would fit right in. No walks, speed, no one to hit him in. I’m cool with Crawford if we got someone to drive him in.
I’m not fond of Bay. He’s inconsistent and has had injury issues in the past. Granted, he’d be a huge upgrade for this offense.
Acquiring Holliday might be exciting, assuming his splits from Coors are not as bad as many suggest they are. St.L. is a hitter’s park right? If so, I’m worried how his numbers would translate in ATT&T. Hopefully he could maintain the slugging % by hitting more doubles & triples.
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StL is a pitchers park, surprisingly.
Pujols just makes it look like it isn’t.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Pujols = the reason for my confusion!
Why can’t we have a Pujols?? Or a Howard?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed. Made me feel better about myself, knowing I’m not totally off base when it comes to this year.
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And the season is officaily over. Heard it here first
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Nostradamus wrote in such vague and general terms that his predictions seem like prophesy to those looking for it. To say in the beginning of the year that the Giants suck and the season is over is hardly prophesy but really just common sense.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
MLB Rankings
SF team pitching
ERA = 3.47 (2nd)
WHIP = 1.28 (2nd)
AVG = .237 (2nd)
SF offense
OBP = .308 (30th)
OPS = .698 (29th)
Runs = 556 (27th)
HR = 104 (29th)
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Whaaaaa?!?!?!?!?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing we didn’t know already (great pitching and terrible hitting) but my buddy sent me that and it is so much worse seeing like this. I thought I would share in the misery.
/has given up on this season.
I can’t believe there are three teams that have scored fewer runs. Must have had a lot of rain outs.
except against the Giants
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That hurt.
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Could you imagine this team's record if their offense was simply average?
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I checked the pythag on this a few days ago
With the avg runs scored, they would be at about a .590 WP, which would put them right with the best teams in the league.
Sigh
Could you imagine this team's record if their pitching was simply average?
Ugh.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The sad thing is that the relationship between those four offensive numbers suggests that the Giants should actually be scoring even less than the already do.
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 10, 2009 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The offense’s clutch hitting has been pretty good this season, but we can’t bank on that for next season really.
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Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
when i was at the game..
one of bumgarners pitches was clocked at 97.
Yeah, I’m thinking that’s not correct.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that. The ball was smoked back up the middle. I think the gun picked up the ball going the other way.
I was sitting with oldrips and we speculated the same thing. One of the homeruns (I think it was the one Kouz hit) showed 99
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I hope there’s nothing wrong with his arm. I remember Foppert was supposed to throw in the mid 90’s, and by the time he came up, he had an injury and was throwing in the 80’s.
I’d puke if we had another one of those scenario’s on our hands.
I did hear that Bumgarner was asked to throw more off speed pitches and pitch to contact when he was brought up to AA, which would account for the lack of K’s… but that could just be an excuse they were using.
I really don't get why they would ask him to do that
when the other method worked so well (I mean, throwing more offspeed pitches… yes. pitching to contact… no.)
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I don’t have a problem with telling a young guy to “pitch to contact” if the intent is to get him to throw more strikes by trusting his stuff and not nibbling. I would hope that’s what they mean. I don’t think they actually want the guy to throw an 0-2 fastball in the heart of the plate.
But it would make more sense to do that if you were talking about a prospect who, y’know, didn’t throw strikes.
MadBum has had very little problem throwing strikes so far in his career.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Well, I know he’s had a very low walk rate, but I was under the impression that he wasn’t normally going that deep in games even when he wasn’t giving up runs. To me that means he either (a) was on a very low pitch count or (b) got into a lot of three-ball counts. I don’t know which was true, since I saw him for the first time on Tuesday.
He averaged 5.8 IP per start last year in Augusta. This year, with this new apparent pitching to contact strategy, he only managed about 5.2 IP per start, so it doesn’t appear to have worked all that well.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Makes sense.
Sometimes, when you have great stuff, pitching to contact hurts your pitch count. Instead of hitters driving balls, they continually foul them off.
That being said, Halladay has done a very good job pitching to contact and going deep into innings.
Is Mad Bum’s inability to go deep into games because of management (pulling him early once he reaches, say 80 pitches)?
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Pretty cool.
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
Anyone have any recommendations for a dark beer to go in a chili? Making it with ground beef and the recipe calls for dark beer.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Sep 10, 2009 2:22 PM PDT reply actions
Xanthan and Beer
It’s like the frickin’ Bat Signal. I love it.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m trying to out beer-nerd him. But it’s hard.
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I love beer. I’m trying to understand stats. Are there good primers that could hlpe me get started?
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*help
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Help…
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You know I need someone!
Clayton Tanner. I have nothing witty to add.
by walkoff baltimore chop on Sep 10, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m glad somebody finally did this.
The wait was excruciating!
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Follow Xanthan’s lead: more beer = better understanding of statz.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d say read anything from sites like Fangraphs, Beyond the Boxscore, and Baseball Think Factory.
Bay City Ball, too. That site is amazing.
PURPLE ROW!!!
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Side note: I started a glossary of frequently used terms on my site:
http://www.baycityball.com/glossary/
It’s pretty bare bones right now, but it might help you a little.
That’s a pretty nice glossary.
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I started reading your site before I started posting here. Just was wondering if there was a book that would help me catch up.
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I think it’s a little out-dated, and I’m not a huge fan of BP, but their book entitled ‘Baseball Between the Numbers’ is a pretty decent intro to saber-things. I’d also recommend Eric Siedman’s book entitled ‘Bridging the Statistical Gap’
http://www.amazon.com/Bridging-Statistical-Gap-Eric-Seidman/dp/1435720407
Ok, I’m no expert on statz, but I took 15 minutes to find these (stupid work computer) so you better read ’em:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-one/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-two/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/explaining-win-values-part-three/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-four/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-five/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-seven/
I read some of the blog posts on fangraphs every day and it helps to soak in new things. It is a great site.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
/me feels guilty, reads them
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Wow that was quite the read.
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You now have a dangerous amount of information. Go forth and reek havoc.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
everyone should give ringleader3 a break if he goes around making reckless claims for the next few weeks.
It’s an important phase in every young stathead’s life.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
I’m still much more of a lurker. I want to know more about stuff so I know when you guys talk about it.
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That is I lurk about stat conversations. I like to talk about Rush and Pie, though.
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Do you know if The Book is worth reading? I notice FanGraphs mentions it.
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I haven’t read it, but I would think so.
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Yes
It’s not light reading.
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And I think it's available to read online at Amazon
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
MGL has mentioned before that it is
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Bay City Ball, too. That site is amazing.
Bah. Only site with the distinction of being universally disliked, yet still overrated.
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Bay Pity Ball?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I know that you're lame.....
/BURN
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
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SO YOU'RE IN VA AND I'M IN LA, I'LL SEE YOU IN THE MIDDLE
(Nebraska?)
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
BTW, for my one substantial comment to you of the day…
Have you ever thought of incorporating flight paths into your already awesome Pitch f/x analyses? Kinda like what Harry has here?
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TRY?!
THERE IS NO TRY! THERE IS ONLY DO OR NOT DO.
/says the guy who doesn’t do anything….
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And I was thinking the same thing about stew. Yum.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 10, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
negro modelo
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Deschute Black Butte Porter would be a good choice… Any Imperial Stout (low on carbonation high on malty goodness). Where are you located?
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lol
butt(e)
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U R 5
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You should be able to get Black Butte at Whole Foods. The Old Rasputin Imperial Stout is another good choice, also available there.
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If you can get it, Deschutes Obsidian Stout is my chilibeer of choice
"That feeling after you win and they raise your hand... it's like you have this energy that releases from your body, and it's like you mingle with the cosmos, and you feel omnipotent"
That would also be available at Whole Foods in the SF area.
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I never realized Whole Foods had such an interesting selection of beers, I’m going to have to go check it out.
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"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
Oh, they have KILLER selections. You’re in the Marin area right? If you make it north to Santa Rosa check out Bottle Barn, it’s amazing.
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Looking over that payroll spread sheet.
Zito – $18.5 million
Rowand – $13.5
Renteria – $10
F. Sanchez – $9
Affelt – $4.5
Cain – $4.5
Dude, WTF!!! $60 million for 6 players. Bye Bye Sabean. Add $10-$12 million for Lincecum, and maybe $4.5 each to Wilson and J. Sanchez and THERE is your 2010 roster. Affelt and Cain better learn how to play first base and right field.
We gotta have some budget cuts for the team… maybe have the starting pitchers who aren’t pitching sit on the sidelines shagging baseballs, instead of the ball dudes. Have Sandoval take over the finance duties (can’t do much worse than who they have now). And last, maybe have Righetti be the new coach, and 5th starter.
Maybe someone will take Zito off our hands. I’m going to keep the dream alive.
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You know, if he pitched the first half next year the way he has the second half this year, I think he might actually be tradeable. I never would have thought such a thing was remotely possible, but it’s at least not outlandish anymore.
Zito always sucks in the first half.
by The Double Deuce on Sep 10, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
They may have to take on part of his salary, but I’d pay half of his salary, if it meant it freed up $10 million a year to resign Sandoval, or Lincecum.
I don’t care if he pitches like a Cy Young winner and people say, “wow, he’s actually living up to that contract.” He’s still not worth it for this team to have… this team should have known that they can’t compete with the big boys payroll by giving one pitcher 20% of their payroll per year… unless they plan on making more money available.
My dad said they might even have to trade Lincecum or Cain to either get 2-3 top notch prospects, or POSSIBLY trade package Rowand into the deal and try to trade for a power hitter.
I don’t like the thought of doing that, but it could be the only way to help the team in the long run, unless they increase team payroll for a couple years… which they should. They gotta eat one of those contracts, otherwise this team next year hits 50 HR’s.
They couldn’t trade Rowand for anything. They might be able to find somebody who would take his contract off their hands, but nothing more than a C prospect would come back in return. I would do that, BTW.
And we already have a C prospect. Bork just won’t play him.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They're not trading Tim or Cain.
Well, it is sabean. But yeah.
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I don’t think they’ll trade Timmy but they might trade Cain. Or Dirty. Or MadBum. How else can they plug up all the holes in that lineup?
I just hope if Sabes pulls the trigger that we get fair value for either of these guys.
Uhh he wont
lets hope its someone else making the decision.
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well, the thing is
the holes are so big, and the pitching is so good, that they can fill them with average players and upgrade, and turn this into a real winning team.
The biggest problem they have is not that they have so few hitting superstars on offense, it is that they have such massive sinkholes.
Bochy
I’ve defended Bochy in the past, but this Poset thing is really pizzing me off. Grant documented the weirdness well in his post yesterday, but the thing that’s eating me is the way Bochy is talking about Posey.
He’s saying things like “We all want to see Posey in a game” as if it’ll be a novelty or something. Doesn’t realize that Posey’s bat might acutally be a friggin’ upgrade? I mean, c’mon!
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yeah, defintatly
there is something awry here.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
I have a feeling Sabean, Bochy and Molina will not be back next year. Molina won’t be back, probably because they won’t have enough in their payroll department, so Sabean wanted to bring Posey up to help the teams hitting and maybe get a little experience for next season. You can’t have your coach undermining your Front Office like that… I think it shows lack of respect, granted, it shows respect that Bochy has to the veterans, but respect to your players means nothing if they are losing. It also shows that Sabean is losing control of this team.
typical baseball; it’s a close-knit society
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
They're just showcasing Posey and Bumgarner for a trade this offseason
/throws self out the window
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You know, I thought that was a possibility too… at least for Bumgarner anyways. I think they brought Posey up to see if he can help the team hit. Please get more than Freddie Sanchez or Ryan Garko for Bumgarner, or don’t trade him at all.
I really hope that this was not in the mind of the FO.
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Showcasing Posey’s bullpen-catching skills? Is there a big market for those?
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With malice towards the Dodgers
I read this as ‘Goofus! You made me sweat’
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Everybody dance now!
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LOL
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Didn’t I tell ya? Muah ha ha!
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No, it’s the Yoga from P90X; an hour and a half of pure torture
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PLYOMETRICS
kicks my behind. Ab ripper X isn’t a party either. I’m learning to hate them both.
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by bondslegend on Sep 10, 2009 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually love Plyometrics. It’s rough, but fun. (Plus, if you can’t be inspired by the dude that does it all on a prosthetic leg, you’re simply unispirable.) Have you worn a heart rate monitor and checked the calorie burn when you’re done? I burn at least 900 calories every time.
In Ab Ripper X, those damn Fifer Scissors are the bane of my existence. Doing all 25 is about the toughest thing in the world for me.
I’m starting another 90 days next week, but I’m going to have to sub in elliptical workouts instead of Plyo and Kenpo since I screwed up my knee.
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ooh
you’ll have to keep us (me) updated on how that goes. I want to get into it, but I’m having ACL surgery in 3 weeks, so I won’t be able to do plyo or anything like it for like 10 months.
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Yeah, like he says
I hate it, but I love it. Being done is just about the best feeling you can have, and to get it everyday is AWESOME.
LOL fifer scissors. I have to stop 2 sometimes 3 times during those. I’ll love the day I can make it through without stopping, but OMG. And then ending with the mason twist just destroys you
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I was reading an article in a Men’s Health book just this morning that there are two types of ab muscles; stabilizers and mobilizers. Men tend to have trouble with either one or the other.
Stabilizers are the ab muscles closest to the spine and the ones you use to hold your self. (Fifer scissors, boat, bicycles, etc.) These are definitely my week point.
Mobilizors are the ab muscles closer to the surface that you use to move your body (crunches, v-up roll-ups, hip rock and raise, leg climbs). I’ve always found these much easier.
The article stressed the importance of working both and said a lot of people make the mistake of doing only the ones their good at. Reading this article made me appreciate Ab Ripper X even more since it definitely works both.
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Wow thanks!
Yeah that’s interesting. I was wondering why the v-ups and wide leg sit ups were so much easier.
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by bondslegend on Sep 11, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
If Bochy is really refusing to play Posey because of loyalty to Molina then he is really doing Molina a disservice. The Posey situation has been a PR nightmare for Molina, not what you want when you’ll soon be looking for a new contract.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
it’s a PR nightmare for Bochy, too. I’m actually beginning to despise the man.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Poll: How much would you pay for a club seat sat night? (I'm buying)
sec 221…
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Fifty-ish?
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The best thing about selling tickets is that you do not have to be at the game to deal with the a-hole who is in your seat- this is the most I have ever gotten for a game- even more than the Yankees. I put the number ridiculously high hoping they would not sell…
ebay?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I would guess StubHub?
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probably to Dodger fans….
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
that last two times I did this (buy primo seats), I ended up surrounded by smodger fans. sheesh.
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I was thinking $50. Face value is $85. Cheezus, I remember $1 at the ’stick, and I could have the run of the place. Once I even ran onto the field after the game and slid into second!
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, AAA club or Field Club?
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is there more than one kind for sec 221? I thought that it was the second deck.
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
the guy says Infield Club
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
200s is the AA club level. the face is $85 for them? will he take $50?
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that’s my standing offer. I just don’t know if I can handle the humiliation in our home park.
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you tell him you were a giants fan, it might give you a leg up.
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did; did not work.
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of season ticket holders sell their Dodger game seats because they can get a lot over face value for them. I am always surprised, becuase what season ticket holder doesn’t want to go to a Dodgers series? But, then I remember how much I hated the last Giants/Dodger game I went to, becaus the Dodger fans were so awful.
I'm the Juggernate, bitch.
I share my seats with two partners. My tickets cost north of $10,000 a year for my share. The only way I can justify it with the Mrs is to sell a huge chunk of them. Fact is that the highest value games are usually the ones to go. I really tried to get my other two partners to sell opening day and the ASG. I had been in Baltimore in ’93 and it was a total waste of time. They balked and I lost out but got to see Jesse Jackson up close and personal and that made it all good.
Great post Grant
I would like to say that despite the Giants going 4-5 since the rockies sweep…I’M IN…however, i’m not emotional prepared for the depression forthcoming
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How in the world can you be a Giants fan, yet not be “emotional prepared for the depression forthcoming”? It’s who we are! How much heartache is it going to take?
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
secondary meaning
by emotionally prepared, I also mean I don’t have enough alcohol stocked up yet.
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by Speedforthewin on Sep 10, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That I believe!
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by NuschlerFace on Sep 10, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLplayoffs
Now offering free hugs from Amy G.
Billy Ripken is still a douche bag.
by kbsofaraway08 on Sep 10, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Plan ahead
Just rip your heart out right now.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea, i agree, this was a great post by Grant, and yea i’m in, but not as emotionally as i was last week… by the way i’m going out tonight and partying for the football game, Steelers Titans, i’ll definitely be back here later tonight
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Steelers—class of the NFL
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I have never hated the Steelers. If anyone had to get to 6 before the niners, I’m glad it was them.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
If you’ll take Edgar Renteria for him :)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
in all seriousness
I like Bartlett but this year seems ridiculously flukey.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
They probably should, but though he’d be a decent fit at SS for the Giants, I wouldn’t want them to be the team that overpays for his 2009 and gets his 2006-2008 in 2010.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
What about Carl Crawford?
Do you see the Giants trying to trade for him since the Rays are probably listening?
For what its worth, this morning on our local sports station, Olney believed that Crawford would be a FA after this offseason (meaning the Rays wouldn’t exercise the option they have.) Do you know more about this?
With malice towards the Dodgers
Regardless, I think most Giants fans would love to have Crawford. He is the kind of guy that would fit our team and ballpark if we can’t add a power bat.
With malice towards the Dodgers
I wouldn’t do either of those.
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maybe the second
the first would be a total rip-off
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure hope so
Hes probably my favorite non-Giant
I like him more than most Giants
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that Burris could be every bit as good as Bartlett….
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
lol yes
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, what’s the issue with Burriss amongst you mccovens?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He has never in his life shown the slightest hint he could even be a bad hitter at the major league hitter. Every bit of evidence we have says that he is a catastrophically terrible hitter and has no place in the majors.
I want to like him. I really, really do. But he’s just not good enough.
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I think he could maybe luck into like a .330-.340 OBP if he batted eighth for a full season.
Buuuuut… there’s not much to indicate he could play shortstop to go along with that and absolutely NOTHING to indicate that he could slug even like… .310 or .320.
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no
But we will pay him 20 million dollars anyway
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
hmm
I thought he was older than 30
I dont think he will put up as good numbers next year
meh
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't like Dodger fans
I also just like what the Giants are doing right now in terms of homegrown talent.
You’re alright with me.
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suck-up
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to assume for my own enjoyment that it took you 34 mins to find and figure out how to post that image
With malice towards the Dodgers
be my guest. I won’t spoil it for you by telling you the real amount of time it took.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
wouldn't be the first time!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
lol (and I don’t proffer that often…)
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
BUMGARNER AND POSEY FOR BARTLETT
RAYS 2008 TEAM MVP
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
For some reason
I feel like the Rockies are on the precipice of a collapse. They’re currently playing awesome despite a bunch of injuries, but I feel like the injuries are about to catch up with them. Tulo will come back, but with a tweaked back, and I don’t think they’ll be able to maintain current levels.
Then again, I don’t think the faerie who gave them the magical no-lose medallion has taken it back yet. That might have to happen first.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I hope so
But Im not getting my hopes up. I have a good life, but these sort of things never seem to go my way.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 10, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice theory
Hope that’s true.
I would add that I wonder if part of their luck against the Reds was because Dusty was subconsciously managing down so that the Giants end up behind by more games.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 10, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Shortest post ever? :-D
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
They may collapse...
But so will the Giants, so its a wash. =(
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Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That magical no-lose medallion is probably called a really good team. They are better top to bottom at every position and their pitching is adequate. They have definitely had some luck, but they also make luck. Last night is the perfect example. I was listening on the radio and Smith’s AB was sick. He was able to foul off at least 4 or 5 and waited for his pitch and then smoked a shot up the middle. You can argue about whether Phillips should have fielded the ball, but it was smoked. The giants have not one (maybe except Buster Posey) patient hitter who consistently works counts on the roster.
Smith is really good (and he is a role player).
In 327 PAs, he has 41 walks. He is hitting .317/.402/.566. He may be a little lucky as he has a .347 BABIP, but one could argue he makes his luck by being so patient and squaring up balls in the zone.
For comparison, in 473 PAs, Bengie has 12 walks and is hitting .260/.276/.415 as our cleanup hitter! He may be a little unlucky with a .269 BABIB, but again one could argue he makes his own luck and with his speed and is bound to have a lower BABIP.
If you really want to make your eyes bleed, look at the BB% (Smith 9.7% versus Molina 2.6%) or the BB/K rate (Smith 0.60 versus Molina 0.20).
Bottom line is that Smith has wOBA of .414 versus .301 for Bengie. You say the same about almost any other Giant (except Posey). If you don’t get on base, you don’t score, and that is the end of the story. The Rockies are good. The Giants are not. End of story.
Depending on the metric one uses
I have a hard time accepting that the giants are not “good”.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
I know the "worst team in baseball imo" thing was a fun meme
but I can’t help but start to believe that Beyond the Box Score wuz right :(
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Joe Morgan FTW
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"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
Kevin Correia is a more capable pitcher than you give him credit for. The only time he didn’t do fine for us was last season, when he had an injury that appeared to affect him all season, these oblique injuries seem to be killers in that even when they apparently is healthy, they are still affected. He had a very nice run of starts for us in 2007 that showed that he can be effective in the majors.
LeBlanc, I would agree with you given his major league numbers, but would note that he had a very nice 2007 season and 2009 season, so it is not outside the realm of possibility that he figures it out once in a while (or even longer) as a major leaguer. But yeah, the Giants hitters sucked against him, they should have been making him throw strikes their first time up, before he got into the groove in the middle of the game.
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by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Sep 10, 2009 4:23 PM PDT reply actions
LeBlanc might be able to forge a career as a Jamie Moyer or Kirk Rueter type, but the frustrating thing about yesterday is that it sounded like the Giants had a solid plan for facing him going into the game – make him throw strikes – and they pretty much abandoned it from the very first hitter in favor of swinging at everything he threw at them.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"AT LAST I AM A PARENTS." - Buster
I thought Franchez’s comments yesterday were interesting, about how everyone was ’geeked up" at the plate, trying too hard and need to:
(a) make adjustments better
(b) learn to trust the batters behind them
Or something to that effect. Too bad they only have 22 games left to learn from mistakes they’ve been making all season long.
he's new here
this team doesn’t learn from mistakes. I guess…he’ll…learn that…?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, he didn’t have a great game yesterday so maybe he’s already been sucked into the vortex of suckiness and mediocrity that is Giants hitting. But then again, I appreciated that he took accountability and was honest with his assessment of the team’s hitting yesterday. Unlike the elders in the clubhouse who have never owned up to their mistakes.
This about it this way: With the amount of mistakes they’ve made, they can learn a really whole bunch of a lot, really quickly, and get good in time to win the W.C.
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by Mayor of 311 on Sep 10, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. I always liked Kevin “Ain’t Got No Love, No Love You’d” Correia.
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he’s got a live arm; still needs to improve his command, though. Maybe he’ll find his way back to the Giants in a year or two.
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Correia’s ERA+ this year: 87
He’s mediocre at best.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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groug, you are a downer!
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, help me test a theory—what is your age (approx is ok)?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
ahh. my theory is that once you have about 20 more years of being a giants fan under your belt, you will come around to the more optimistic side
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
If I was 20 years older, the Giants would have the exact same number of championships in my lifetime.
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but the prospect! just think about it!
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
/knowing how full of it I really am
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I have about 23 years on groug
but I’m not much more optimistic about the Giants.
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I have 36 years on groug and I would not call myself optimistic. That said, this team is the most entertaining in several years and has exceeded my expectations. They have been drafting well if not lights out for the past few years and making more good (Sanchez, Uribe) or reasonable longshot (Renteria, Garko, Velez, Randy Johnson) moves than bad (Rowand, Zito at such a high prices). A lot of the criticism for not getting certain FA’s may be unwarranted because there are plenty of players who do not want to come to SF at an acceptable price (cf. Vlad, Texiera). There’s a lot of game to game decisions that look stupid (I’d certainly have gotten Posey into at least one game by now), but that’s true on every team.
by NearestNorwich on Sep 11, 2009 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions
because once you’ve been dragged along the bottom for long enough, everything forward takes on a rosier look, if you catch my drift.
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I like you.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to go ahead and put that theory to rest with a recent conversation in my family.
My 86 year old father (attended first SF Giants game ever): I guess I’m just not gonna live to see the Giants ever win a Championship.
My 56 year old brother (also attended first SF Giants game ever): Well, don’t feel bad about it — neither are we, and we’ll have to wade through 30 more years of frustration than you.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
From where do I recognize your second sig quote?
/too lazy to copy and paste into google
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
That's it!
Thanks.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, my pops didn’t make it, either…died last year. At least the ’niners managed to reel off a few!
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Rotoworld Fail
Giants claimed LHP Jesse English off waivers from the Giants.
English was designated for assignment by San Francisco last week after posting a 7-7 record and 4.20 ERA at Double-A Connecticut. The 24-year-old may need to move to the bullpen in order to crack the major leagues.
Giants claim Jesse English from the Giants. The Nationals, actually, claimed English. I’m so thankful Bocock is still here.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Sep 10, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
really, i’d keep him over several others on the 40-man
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
good movement downward, low 90’s velocity. Overcame adversity. Just needs some more control (of course, that describes many)
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
well, not necessarily the adversity part
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh.
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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can you say that in pictures?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I know you nerds know NOTHING about the real game of baseball, or any other athletic endeavor requiring teamwork under physical stress.
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Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
by jctGamer on Sep 10, 2009 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I like how Swedish Chef’s hat is reversed.
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
Random question from Met fan
Is it expected that Bochy will be back next season? Extension?
by James Kannengieser on Sep 10, 2009 8:07 PM PDT reply actions
a couple weeks ago, I’d say that there was a 75-80% chance he’d be back. The team had performed much better than expected. After the Posey call up and his ridiculous and intransigent managing style, I’d say it’s down to about 40% and fading with the teams playoff chances.
It might depend on whether Sabean is brought back, though even then, Sabean might not want to keep Bochy around, but if Sabes goes, Bochy goes for sure.
around these parts, I’d say about 90+% want him gone.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
I could tell he isn’t too popular around here but wasn’t really sure if he would be brought back. I caught the game the other night where Frandsen bunted in the 8th with 2 on, none out. Bizarre.
by James Kannengieser on Sep 10, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to think that
40%? Really? I agree that no Sabean= no Botchy, but I think the GINATS BRASTS spend a lot more time reading articles about him being manager of the year than wondering why Molina bats cleanup every day and Fred Lewis is upholstery and Busty Poser is the bat boy.
I’d like to believe you, but I just don’t know if there’s been some kind of sea change that would really make that happen.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 10, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, this was Neukom’s first full season as owner, so there’s definitely an argument to be made that he was going to see how this season went, then start throwing his weight around.
That’s what I’m hoping, anyway. He seems like a really smart guy, I hope my perception of him lies close to the truth.
Thing C
No matter how many people like/dislike Bruce Bochy.
He will be back because of the simple fact that they significantly improved their W-L record. Conversely, it is the same reason a good manager gets fired on a team with a worse W-L record than the previous season.
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 10, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
So basically, the Giants are a winning team.
But at what cost?
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 10, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
At the cost of winning.
Your 2009 San Francisco Giants (and probably 2010): “You lose even when you win.”
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Sep 11, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Shed a little tear reading that post
sitting here on a Giant’s off day, bored half to death trying to get through the last 5 minutes of the first NFL game… Thinking – good grief – how will I ever make it through the long dark night of the soul otherwise known as the MLB off-season.
At least I have the AZ fall league here in Phoenix to help with the withdrawels.
Paul is DEAD suckers.
After baseball, I can usually get through on college football (but only on Saturdays, which means it’s about one-tenth as useful). There’s a real black hole in January and February.
"What are the odds Buster Posey ever plays for the Giants?"
"He won’t play until he gets some major league experience."
Good thing I’m a baseball, basketball, and football fan. There’s always a sport going on, college or pro.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
January and February?
I’m worrried about the possible abyss of this Sunday night. Bad series and a loss on Sunday to the Bums, topped off by a Bears loss to the Packers, heaped onto the general darkness of Sunday nights before another week of work. Neil Young’s “out of the blue and into the black” won’t get you halfway to where I’ll be. Already got whacked today by the wife informing me of an unexpected (by me at least) hole in her bank account. Quickly wrote the check not wanting to deal with it on Sunday. Shit’s best dealt with head on. I need a Giants sweep bad.
Buddy, can you spare a dime.
"Hey old-timer, where am I ?"
"You can't get there from here."
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
Barry Bonds
Not even the Yankees know what to do with him.
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 10, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL Barry's armor.
That shit was ridiculous.
In other news, Roger Clemens continues to be a chickenshit douchebag bully.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Sep 10, 2009 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're saying...
…he really does have a future in the US Senate?
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
I still miss Barry a lot.... :-(
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
McFAQ for all you newcomers out there.
GET THAT VORP AND WHIP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Well, kids, you did it.
Turn this into a column Ostler/Murph and Mac!
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"Waaaaah!"-Bengie Molina
by natteringnabob on Sep 10, 2009 10:09 PM PDT reply actions
how is he in the bullpen?
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by greatgiantfan on Sep 10, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a video that sums up the 2009 San Francisco Giants better than this?
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by RaymondStone.com on Sep 10, 2009 11:02 PM PDT reply actions
lol real talk
the link popped up out of nowhere and started to play real good before it got to be too much and my computer ended up freezing and shutting down….
now i dont know if i wanna take tha chance of revisiting the link…
shure theres some hope it will play again, and continue to play good but i just cant shake the feeling the link will only dissapoint…
i guess it really did sum up tha 2009 season…
merry CAINmas
by northerncali on Sep 11, 2009 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Down by the river
I shot Bruce Bochy
WHY IS BOCOCK?!
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 11, 2009 8:38 AM PDT reply actions
in the fields of opportunity
it’s plowing time again
"Hey old-timer, where am I ?"
"You can't get there from here."
Happy Matt Cain Day!
Not sure how I’m going to survive this series and the next one.
When are the Rockies going to start LOSING????
A girl on the interwebz.
"Comfortability, yeah, it's a word." Brian Wilson
I think we have a chance if we go 9-0 in the next 9 games. We just have to be perfect in all aspects of the game, including lineup management and Buster Posey!
Then:
Rockies 87-63 (Rockies never lose to non-Giants teams)
Giants 85-64
Bums 85-65 (assuming one loss to the Pirates)
WE’RE IN THIS THING – if we play perfect baseball!
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Well, we haven’t gone 9-0 at any point yet this season.
Now would be a nice time to start!
by The Double Deuce on Sep 11, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
The Padres have been hot lately
It helps to play the Gigantes, but all joking aside – think they have a chance to take 1 or maybe even 2 against the team that never loses? They won 2 of 3 against the Bums and then us.
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Best chance would be Saturday
when Esmil Rogers (AAA pitcher with control issues) gets his MLB debut for the Rockies (in place of Jimenez who’s being held back for Tuesday). He may spot the Padres several runs in a park where the Rockies struggle to score runs (ie the 22 inning game last year)
You sound confident about the Rox (not that this is hard to do right now) – do you think the Rox will overtake the Bums in the West?
After the next 9-game stretch, my prediction is:
Bums 88-62 (vs. Giants, Pirates, Giants)
Rox 87-63 (vs. Padres, Giants, Dbags)
Giants 81-68 (vs. Bums, Rox, Bums)
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
Willie Mac
It looks like you’re frustrated as hell! In a race for a playoff berth one has to do what he thinks is right even if it doesn’t turn out that way. Has Randy Winn reached the status of a backup player @ 35? Is there still another red hot streak left in his bat? It’s a tough question for any manager. It’s not all him either. It’s the entire Giant offense. The have scored 2 runs or less more times than one would like to remember and the bulpen has been overtaxed more often than not.. The starters have had many fine efforts wasted due to the miniscule offense. Even with that issue they are still in contention but playing break even ball isn’t going to get them anywhere. They need to band together and put a hotter than hot streak on the board and maintain it to the final day of the season. The potential is there, they just have to reach out and make it happen.
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