minor lines, 9/9/09
by steve S on Sep 10, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants' farm as both Connecticut and Salem-Keizer won their playoff games: (a) Eddy Martintez-Esteve homered and doubled while reaching base in all five plate appearances; (b) Ben Snyder had perhaps the best start of his pro career with 8.0 shutout IP before allowing a couple runs in the 9th inning; and (c) Craig Westcott had the best start of his young pro career with 7 .0 shutout IP.
AAA: Fresno ended its season on Labor Day Grizzlies on PCL leaderboards in selected stats: AA: Connecticut defeated New Britain 6-2 Connecticut: CF Mike McBryde: 0 for 4, SH, 3 SO Connecticut: LHP Ben Snyder: 8.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 6 K--1 HB EME's three hits paced the Defenders' thirteen hit attack. He reached base in all five plate appearances, and his three hits included a homer and a double. Also reaching base three times were Pill and Williams. While all the other Defenders in the lineup had at least one hit, McBryde had the oh-fer, including a hat trick. Filling in for Madison Bumgarner after his promotion to the majors, Snyder, who had made just five starts in 34 appearances this year and who had an ERA over 5.00 in those five starts, had presumably his best appearance since being promoted to the upper minors midway through the 2008 season. Given the playoff context, maybe it was his best appearance as a pro to date. He had 8.0 shutout IP before all three batters he faced in the 9th inning reached base. Through eight innings he faced just three batters over the minimum. After Snyder and Kaufman combined to allow five of the first six Rock Cats batters to reach base in the 9th inning, bringing the tying run to the plate with the bases loaded and one out, Yourkin retired the final two batters for the save. Guerra, whom the Twins acquired in the Johan Santana trade and who had allowed 5 ER against the Defenders in late August, once again allowed 5 ER. A+: San Jose has a first-round bye in the Cal League playoffs A-: Augusta ended its season on Labor Day ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Tri-City 7-0 Salem-Keizer: CF Evan Crawford: 3 for 4, 2 2B, BB, SO, CS Salem-Keizer: RHP Craig Westcott: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K Crawford had three hits, including two doubles, to pace the Volcanoes' twelve-hit attack. Biery also reached base three times. One of Martinez's two hits was his second double of the series, and he continues to lead the Volcanoes offense this post-season with a .455 AVG. Crawford was the only other Volcano in last night's lineup with a post-season AVG above .250. Westcott had his best and longest start as a pro. In his seven previous start, only once had he even pitched into the 6th inning and only once had he not allowed an earned run. That said, his peripheral stats in his seven regular season stats were more impressive than his 3.26 ERA with 28 H, 9 BB, 1 HR, and 42 K in 30.1 IP. After Rodriguez walked the bases loaded with one out in the 8th inning, Graves stranded all three runners and worked 1.2 perfect IP to complete the shutout. R: Giants lost AZL championship game on August 31 DSL: The Gigantes finished their DSL championship series sweep on August 31
--Hitters:
AVG: Bowker 1st, Guzman 5th
OBP: Bowker 1st
SLG: Bowker 3rd
OPS: Bowker 1st, Guzman 12th
HR: Bowker 12th
2B: Rohlinger 4th, Downs 7th
H: Guzman 8th
BB: Bowker 4th
SO: (none--Rohlinger led team with 90)
AB: Rohlinger 13th
RBI: Bowker 9th
SB: (none--Velez led team with 16)
--Pitchers:
ERA: Ortiz 2nd
WHIP: Ortiz 4th
K: Kinney 2nd, Ortiz 8th
IP: Pucetas 4th, Kinney 5th, Hammond 6th
G: Espineli 5th
GS: Kinney 1st, Hammond 3rd, Pucetas 3rd
W: Hammond 4th, Pucetas 8th
L: Kinney 1st, Hammond 3rd
Sv: Espineli 7th
(after scoring four runs in 1st inning in game 1 of the best-of-five series)
Connecticut: 1B Brett Pill: 1 for 3, 2 BB
Connecticut: DH Eddy Martinez-Esteve: 3 for 3, HR, 2B, BB, HBP
Connecticut: C Jackson Williams: 2 for 3, 2B, BB
Connecticut: RHP Shane Kaufman: 0.1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB
Connecticut: RHP Matt Yourkin: 0.2 IP, 1 K
New Britain: RHP Deolis Guerra: 4.0 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--1 HR, 1 WP
(Modesto defeated Bakersfield 5-3 in game 1 of their best-of-three series.)
(missing the post-season despite having the most wins of any teams in its eight-team division over the course of the entire season)
(scoring all seven runs in the first three innings and taking a 2-1 lead in the best-of-five series)
Salem-Keizer: 3B Drew Biery: 2 for 4, 2B, BB
Salem-Keizer: 2B Juan Martinez: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Salem-Keizer: LHP Mario Rodriguez: 0.1 IP, 3 BB, 1 K
Salem-Keizer: LHP Brandon Graves: 1.2 IP, 2 K
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Wescott and Graves had serious stuff last night. Wescott’s breaking ball had ~ 1.5’ of break to it and his fastball had quite a bit of movement too.
Graves came in with the bases loaded and 1 out and induced a ground ball to 3rd for the dp.
Mario looked like he was too keyed up and was way overthrowing.
Hopefully they wrap it up tonight, Wilber is starting.
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Westcott’s breaking stuff was nasty when I saw him. I’m very happy with that 30th round pick.
Get’r done Wilbur!
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Sep 10, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
So, will we see EME in Fresno next year? He’s getting pretty old…
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You’d think so. Even if we don’t remedy our OF logjam, you’d think that EME would take the Joe Borchard spot.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
EME just his second 3-run bomb in 2 days – but I guess he’s kinda old – never mind.
by flyonthewall on Sep 10, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
.238/.351/.286 in the last 28 days! CLUTCH LIKE BENGIE
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Sep 10, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Like Bengie would ever walk that often.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Sep 10, 2009 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Not saying that anybody said he would, but there’s zero chance he walks that much in the majors.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
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STOP TELLING ME TO WALK YOU CHEATER!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 10, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Walks
After Pill’s first RBI base hit, they pitched around him with runners on, and then he was intentionally walked his next at bat. He won’t see anything good to hit in the playoffs, as the Eastern League RBI leader. Sucks…..
Top Connecticut Prospects?
I figure folks commenting on minor lines are more hardcore than most when it comes to our farm system. I was looking at Connecticut and trying to see the top non-pitching prospects there. Seems like those are more present in A+ and AAA right now.
Is Brett Pill a legit prospect? Awesome year, but is he a bit oldish?’
Brock Bond: never hear his name in terms of legit 2B options, but would he be ranked ahead of Noonan at this point?
I think EME will jump to AAA next year. Do we think his power will come around? He is old, of course.
Seems like Brandon Crawford is the most “toolsy” or “trendy” prospect. I guess I’m just fishing for opinions on this motley crue.
Brock Bond: not a sexy prospect, but you have to give the man credit for what he’s accomplished this year: a .429 OBP, 67/69 K/BB, 21 doubles. He was caught stealing more times than he was successful, so likely he lacks blazing speed, but he certainly looks like he has the makings of a useful #1 or #2 hitter some day. You’d assume his numbers wouldn’t be much worse in the PCL next year, so perhaps we’ll get a look at him in Spring Training in 2011.
Brett Pill: not much to add. A doubles machine thusfar in his career. Same AAA forecast as Bond for next year, same timeline for a serious look.
EME: non-prospect. Formerly indifferent defender, now surgically-limited defender. Could perhaps be a DH for an AL team that didn’t need a power hitter in that slot.
Mike McBryde: supposedly the fastest guy in the entire organization (this year’s draft crop excluded). Strong arm in CF (WilRiv hopes SF makes him a pitcher soon), has an interesting blend of power/speed, although neither steals nor homers were eye-popping numbers this year. Will probably blossom in Fresno, but what will that really tell us about his potential for ML success?
C Tyler LaTorre can hit a little bit, doesn’t make a lot of errors defensively; as a lefty hitter, he could be of future use somewhere, but he was born in 1983 so he’s not exactly a “prospect” at this stage.
Brandon Crawford is the most likely major leaguer out of this group. He is by no means a certainty.
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Would like to see McBryde toe the rubber in the City
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Sep 10, 2009 11:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks!
Thanks for the breakdown, Lyle. I, too, was impressed with the bb/k numbers for Bond based the trials and tribulations of our current Giants. It’ll be interesting what Fresno’s roster will be for next year (getting middle infield time for Frandsen, Burriss, Downs, Bond, Crawford?). I need to check if there have been threads for “organizational depth chart – Second Base”. Burriss, Frandsen, Downs, Bond, Noonan. I wish we could lose 3 of those for one really legit starting calibur option.
Did you really check out Brandon Crawford’s numbers? Not a power hitter, with a lot of errors. Funny how everyone talks about 25 year-olds being “oldish” for AA. Hell, the MLB Giants pick up old guys all the time – whatever happened to the good old Player Development – or lack of it. I doubt if most of the posters on here have actually seen any of the Defenders play. I may be old-school, but you can’t tell anything about a player unless you have actually SEEN them play – more than once!
I have never seen him play, and I can tell you right now that Jackson Williams is a terrible hitter.
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Anyways, Crawford is definitely the top prospect at AA. He’s a fantastic defender (according to scouts, coaches, and the stats) and has some upside with the bat. The thing is, even if his bat never gets better than it is, he’s still valuable because of his defense at SS. The great thing about him is that there is a glimmer of hope that he could hit something like his cumulative line from this year with plus defense. Likely? Not really, but the potential is there.
Funny how everyone talks about 25 year-olds being "oldish" for AA.
That’s not just oldish for AA, it’s old.
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Who says he’s a fantastic defender? I’ve heard decent or above average but nothing more. BA ranked Adrianza (whose best season offensively was a .670 OPS in the DSL) 6th and didn’t rank Crawford coming into this season, so I doubt they consider him an elite defensive SS. BP also ranked Adrianza higher than Crawford.
Whatever stat you’re using (Total Zone?), it can’t tell the difference between fantastic and pretty good over the course of one season.
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BA called him solid in a Prospect Hot Sheet:
It’s hard to imagine a player having a worse 2008. Brandon Crawford saw his once pristene draft status slip due to concerns about his bat, as he struggled during his junior year at UCLA. But all of those concerns have proven overblown since he became a pro. In a lineup that included Buster Posey, Conor Gillaspie, Angel Villalona and Roger Kieschnick, Crawford was the hitter who earned the first promotion thanks to an outstanding first month. His numbers have slipped a little in Double-A, but he’s still hitting well enough considering he’s also a solid defensive shortstop.
In a chat, Matt Blood of BA called him ‘tremendous’ on defense:
Matt Blood: Brandon Crawford works hard on his arm strength and consequently has one of the strongest and most durable arms in the country. However, for him to be a prospect on the mound, Crawford would need a lot of work and refinement, especially on secondary pitches. I wouldn’t give up on him quite yet in the field. He is a tremendous defensive player at a position of need.
I guess it’s an issue of wording — ie: is fantastic better than tremendous? But, I think we can all agree he’s an above-average defender at SS right now?
Yeah, fly, Marcello’s right. 25 is just plain old for AA. And the reason so many of us say that is that age relative to league proves over and over again to be a crucial predictor of prospects. Much more important than counting stats.
If you look over at the Eastern League site you can go back through 2005 and sort through the league leaders in various stats. And what you’ll notice if you call up the league leaders in BA, RBI, and HRs, is that the leader boards are populated predominantly by players who were career minor leaguers, with the occasional Shelly Duncan type, and the even more occasional real live prospect. And if you go a step further and click on the player links, you’ll see that almost all of these guys who dominated the EL RBI or HR or BA race for a year but didn’t go on to the majors are in the 24-25 range. You could go back further in time (if you find the resource) and see the same thing repeated over and over and over.
The age will tell you a lot about whether these guys are prospects or not. So when Jon Lester or Phil Hughes were top of the ERA boards at 21, they were prospects; when Chris Begg was near the top of the ERA leader boards at 25 or 26, not so much.
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Just doesn’t make much sense to me. Brandon Crawford is considered such a “prospect”, yet he is only a year and a half younger than Pill. Hasn’t had a very good year either. As far as other organizations go – Justin Turner, 25, was just called up to the Orioles’ big league club. Same thing with Chris Pettit (Angels), who I believe is 26. Basically what I am saying is that nothing the Giants do makes ANY sense. But yet they will trade away their young, talented prospects for old, quick-fix guys just to try and make that wild card. They are a joke and I’m sure most of their players would love to be traded. Do you really think Lincecum wants to keep throwing his arm off for the Giants? They are screwed up from top to bottom, which isn’t anything people haven’t posted on here already. Maybe if they took a look at some of their 25-year old “geezer” standouts, they’d get somewhere.
by flyonthewall on Sep 11, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I am a big STATS guy, but it’s all about the proper context – age, league, park, injuries. That said, some guys are clearly terrible by any measure. Jacks and Burriss come to mind – something magic better happen, because they just don’t have it. And when they don’t, this org seems to think “be more aggressive” is the answer.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Sep 10, 2009 11:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice to see some of our youngsters getting playoff experience and coming through in such pressure situations – unlike the players on the big club who are failing in those pressure situations. EME coming up big in the playoffs. That Juan Martinez just keeps hitting.
Wonder where Snyder fits in next year – starting again or relief specialist in AAA?
The non-Panda players on the big club fail in all situations. It has nothing to do with extra pressure or being clutch.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Sep 11, 2009 12:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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