Post-Game Thread: OTHER PLAYERS JOIN IN FREDEMPTION 09
by jponry on Aug 8, 2009 4:05 PM PDT
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PrintMan, that game was awesome, I'm so glad I was able to watch the whole thing and see all the awesome plays and everything.
Wait.
But, the Giants won! Barry Zito continued his streak of being extremely useful, Eugenio Velez continued his streak of being "Wait, was that really Eugenio Velez?" and Bengie Molina is getting ready to sign the dotted line on a three year extension. Most importantly of all, the bullpen pitched three innings, giving up three hits, no walks and no runs. It's good to see that, because I don't know about everyone else, but the pessimism from last night was really sort of lingering into the early innings of this game.
I LOVE THIS TEAM AGAIN. For now.
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jponry has pushed her Fred Lewis agenda on this site for far too long
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I observe what you have done there
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Don't you mean this?
jponry has pushed her his Fred Lewis agenda on this site for far too long
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
obviously
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Well, I am an out and proud Romosexual.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
it is good
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I second that emotion
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Waiting for Grant….
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 8, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
I think I heard of that guy once.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 8, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A third starter has about an average ERA, right?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I like Molina, but committing to him for more than a year will be a mistake.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d do one year but only if he’d agree to take a backup role as soon as Posey is ready.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Vingie Molstilla
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
the best scenario would be a year overlap of posey & molina
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
he won't
I remember reading a quote a while back of him implying he wouldn’t do that
Yeah, so I pretty much don’t want him back. lol. There are plenty of catchers out there about as good as Bengie with smaller egos.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
and smaller plate - to - first times.
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone?
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Aug 8, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the answer
If he agrees, it’s a one-year thing (unless something else gets negotiated). If he doesn’t, it’s a draft pick (maybe two).
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 8, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want him to go on a tear that makes him look a lot more appealing to other teams though...
…..that way we can offer him arbitration without having to worry about him accepting.
I think there might be side benefits
To such a situation as Molina ripping it up. Like, the team does better.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
fixed
I think there might be side of beef benefits
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, im still sick from monday’s loss and friday’s loss and stomach flu, but at least we’re just 6GB
a little thing like stomach flu got you down?
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by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
H1N1
lose1win1
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
this is quite funny
I would steal it and originate it later, but, well, you guys & gals are the only ones I know who would even get it, so…
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
It’s not funny because it has nothing to do with orthomyxoviridae!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Or ambylopia ex anopsia.
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 9, 2009 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I have met my match.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I WAS going to post a link explaining how a mere plumber knew of that condition , but…
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 10, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions
So,
I like Velez.
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
They have pills for that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’m with you—he’s a star waiting to happen
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
oh , no
It’s happening.
Jeez , that scissoring thing with his feet in the batter’s box…weeeeird…
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
scissoring
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Aug 8, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
there's an echo in here.
It sounds like…scissoring.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Above people were talking about Velezbians, and you said scissoring. I found it funny. I am not too sure if that was your intent, because I do not understand 90% of the things you post, but it was funny.
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Aug 8, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's funny
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I'm responsible for the understandable 10%.
Want to know who authors the other 90%?
NL West TempestTeapot
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i will never get tired of these two guys
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Aug 8, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I see in the pic that the other 90% are battery powered
If they get low, I got cables. Unfortunately, being 9 time zones ahead of you guys, the service is slow.
"Hey old-timer, where am I ?"
"You can't get there from here."
Where are you?
“WHO IS THIS?”
“Who’s this?”
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 9, 2009 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
BEST TERM EVER.
We are all Velezbians since the ASB
Proud adoptive parent of Billy "Duke" Neukom. He's got balls of steel.
by Gabafnerhagen on Aug 8, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Uh, let’s just ride the hot streak for awhile, before we start doing crazy stuff. Remember Randy Winn? Two month hot streak = long expensive contract extension = elderly 4th outfielder type becomes cornerstone of offense? Meanwhile, of course, we love Eugenio Velez
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but Winn has a long history of being right where he is now. Velez has been doing nothing but improving since they sent him down the first time last year.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure. But Velez is a 27 year old with no previous track record of success. Clearly, he’s doing something different, and it’s surely amazing to watch. But some prudent skepticism is also called for, imho
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
look at the way he’s keeping his hands back—that’s the difference, and it’s a big one.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No...
…it’s that crazy Cuban Slide his feet do!
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 9, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Let’s call it the “Bam-Bam Effect” for now.
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
Or is it in keeping with Giant LF tradition?
Clearly, he’s doing something different, and it’s surely amazing to watch.
NL West TempestTeapot
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 10, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Useful game for Bengie
Building his case for Type A Free Agency!
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I hope Posey just goes nuts in AAA
so it makes our parting with Bengie a lot easier.
Oh, it'll be plenty easy
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubt it
He wants two years, and he wants to start the first of those years, and he wants a raise. If we offer arb, it’ll be one year obviously, at 6.5 or whatever the max we can cut him, plus the FO will make it clear he’s there to back up Posey. I think he’ll take the hint.
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Adopted Giant Darren "Speedy" Ford. Said by Andrew Baggarly to be the fastest minor league player and the best defensive outfielder in the Giants Organization. Now playing for your San Jose Giants.
Velez does not want the 2003 steroid list published.
Fucking Aaron , I hate being disappointed in you.
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Johnny Rivers
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Johnny LeMaster
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Mario....KART!!!
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Todays Game
With 8 earned runs [2.32 era] in his last 31 innings covering 5 starts while raising a dismal yet undeserved 5-9 record to 8-10 isn’t exactly a combination that could run someone out of town. It looks like Lady Luck has sprinkled some on him for a change. One minor touch of irony in todays game is Bronson Arroyo’s lifetime record is now 81-81 while Barry Zito’s current 8-10 has similar numbers we can all see as plain as day…
and your point is?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
How big is the rest of Arroyo's contract?
He would be a good fifth starter.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
wow
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Harang has the same contract
I wouldn’t mind trading for him, he would actually be worth that money. His home run rate would probably go down in our park too.
flem getting saucy
“we can do anything we want, cause it’s just the two of us”
/post game wrap
I'm up... everyone move in!
bow chicka wow wow
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
what’s this phlegm that you speak of?
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
sure, why not. what’s the alternative?
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by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If you believe the Giants are going to the playoffs...
then you have to believe in Zito and Sanchez! I have dreams that both get there ERAs in the 3s and Zito ends the year with a winning record
Nah
But I like how he’s performing recently
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I’ll be there for his next start against the Mets. He better not let me down. This is the first time in years I can take revenge on Mets’ fans and their comments when I wear black and orange to their stadium, and he better give me a reason to rub it in their faces.
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
I live in NY too, and my neighbor ave me his season tickets to Saturday’s game. Who going then? Cain!
I’ve seen a Sanchez and a Zito start at Shea. Zito won (QS) on the back of Felizian rbis. Sanchez stuck out like 8 and gave up 8 earned. That’s how I remember it anyway. Long story short – believe in the ZITO!
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
i just moved to brooklyn last week
and am planning on going to all of the games. any good eats around citi field?
Dodgers fans eat their young.
Eugenio Velez = Black Jesus
The last time I cried? End of Game 6, 2002 World Series.
by WillClark'sEyeBlack on Aug 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT reply actions
GIS has me flummoxed, I’m trying to find a simple black and white picture of a little child with a scraped/band-aided knee or elbow. One search I did, one of the images was a pumpkin? huh?
You're holding it wrong.
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My Dream
1-Giants take first, Dodgers get the wild card.
2-Giants beat Dodgers in post season and go to WS
3-Giants kick ass on whomever the AL East sends to the WS.
Left Coast victorious over Wrong Coast!!!!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
Beating them in the playoffs would be much better
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
I’m conflicted, if they miss the playoffs I’ll miss out on the chance to yell SUCK IT MARTIN well into October. On the other hand, the thought of them just totally imploding between now and October makes me giddy.
Don't fool yourself
You’ll be yelling “Suck it Russel Martin!” well into December. At least. He doesn’t need to be playing for you to be hatin.
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
ugh, not again.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
STOP IT
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
whoooaaaa easy there wilbur
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
any team with the two top pitchers in baseball, plus a good back end bullpen, will be very tough in the post season.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
My Dream!
1) Jonathan Sanchez pitches reasonably well tomorrow!
2) And is provided with adequate run support,
3) Such that Merkin comes, and does okay
4) Followed by Miller and Medders
5) for a brisk and stress-free 7-3 win.
Also my son-in-law gets a job
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
that sounds like more than I’m dreaming for!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
No, unfortunately
He seems reasonably adept at World of Warcraft, however.
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
can he cast spells or whatever happens in that game on the Dodgers then?
With malice towards the Dodgers
I’ll ask
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I meant Monday.
I did that thing where you go, game’s over, so you think the DAY must be over, you know the drill
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
i dunno why we dont swap cain and sanchez in the rotation. it would get cain 2 more starts vs the dodgers
hmmm, that is interesting
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain throws 109 pitches tomorrow
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
PLAYOFFS!?!?!?!
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Aug 8, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
this is shaping up as the most fun since ’97
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
PRACTICE??
WE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE?? PRACTICE
"There he goes. One of god's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
Zito actually has said things close to that. Urbin has Zito on KNBR with him most if not every Saturday I believe
With malice towards the Dodgers
But it has an even douchier title: The Unicorn Hour
by kdl on Aug 8, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
that's the name that Barry himself came up with for that segment.
The full Zito part is made up of the two parts. Side Sessions is the standard format of interviewing; The Unicorn Hour is more free form and more driven by Barry’s interests.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
Almost as good as the band Those Fucking Unicorns.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
BTW
Derek Jeter had a really cheap home run today. The ball went maybe 320 feet.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
/just complaining because our team doesn’t get many cheap home runs
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
Or any
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
OT Rotoworld lists Jason Schmidt as a strong play for next week among 2 start starters
With malice towards the Dodgers
Wait, what?
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 8, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, WHAT?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
i love velez
that dude can hit! what is the hitting streak up to now? Also, i am becoming a big freddy sanchez fan. that dude can also hit….
Zito dealt today, i thought that he was toast for the year after his july 12 start, but he has rebounded in a major way….i ALMOST look foward to his starts. Almost.
All the old people in North Beach just vomited in their breakfasts.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
About last night...
Long time reader first time “on the chronic.” Last night hurt in so many ways…I had the awful experience of being there, with a good pov for the comedy of errors. I ran out of section 125 after the dropped ball at the plate incident, with Mrs. Just Once wondering what was wrong. Enough background…my point is this:
This bounceback today was nice…only capable of being executed by a young and loose club that has the ability to blow off the media, go out, get a little messy after the game, and forget about it. I didn’t know how they would respond today, and I feared last night’s mess meant of those peaches of a loss (8-0 Dusty, for example) today. But they didn’t lose – they won a tight one.
This means good things.
by Just once, in my lifetime. on Aug 8, 2009 4:50 PM PDT reply actions
good teams bounce back after a heartbreaking loss. This is a good team.
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
Si!
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s been a team strength this year. It seems like they’ve followed all of their worst losses with wins.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 8, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Without Pittsbrugh, San Diego, and Los Angeles, I agree
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
and the Mets
Eugenio "Skinny Panda" Velez post All Star OPS 1.079
by cybermaldonado on Aug 8, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Because last night doesn't matter
This is baseball: shit happens. Last night, everything went wrong. Umps squeezing Wilson, good throws popping out of catcher’s mitt, bloop singles, 5 run rallies with the ball never leaving the infield. It happens. Bad teams brood, good teams play ball. We’re a good team
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 8, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to squeeze your cheeks when you say it…Gooooooood Teeeeaaaaaaam. Ever see Better Off Dead?
by Just once, in my lifetime. on Aug 8, 2009 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Good lord
Sports talk callers are dumb
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
It's weird not dreading Zito starts.
I hope I have a chance to get used to it.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 8, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions
Brian Wilson still bugs me
Even after a good game. I found a stat that sums it up. Relief pitchers measured by number of runners allowed per 9 innings. Wilson isn’t even among the best 20 in the NL:
http://nationalpost.stats.com/mlb/getleaders.asp?rank=312&btnGo=Go
If there’s one thing I don’t want to see from a closer, it’s putting runners on.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
This just in
Runners lead to ‘em. Runners cause stress even when the save doesn’t end up being blown. Who needs it?
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
How’s it different for the rest of them pitchers? Isn’t keeping runners off base the goal? or is it not allowing runs? I’m seriously curious how you differentiate the goals of a closer from those of other pitchers.
it’s not, that’s the point. Closers are often evaluated by the number of saves instead of the metrics that actually measure successful pitching.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
Wilson's numbers aren't so poor
He’s definitely improved them over the last month or two. The WHIP (1.19) is really in a respectable range, although not elite for a closer. The BAA is .214. Really, he’s been pretty solid for a while – he’s probably around the top 10 of closers in the majors right now.
However, I think Bochy really should have a tighter leash on him – most of us here can tell when Wilson’s got it and when he doesn’t. Bochy’s decision to run him out the other night to get 5 outs when Wilson had hardly pitched the prior week – and then not having a short hook – was pretty dumb IMO.
I disagree that it was bad to send him out with 5 outs. I actually give Bochy credit for what passes for "bold" these days.
In the current game, most managers are so automated and robotic about the use of the closer— [in robot voice:] Only send out closer to start 9th inning if team ahead by 3 or 2 or 1 run. [End robot voice]
One of the things that has driven lots of people nuts (I have read essays by a handful of people, including Rob Neyer) is that sometimes the game needs saving in the 8th inning, or even the 7th. So if the closer is supposed to be the guy who can come in and extinguish the other team, then a manager should bring him in when the game needs rescuing, not just for a set of circumstances that is “ideal” for closers.
That said, I agree with you that it is clear early in Papa Dubs’s appearances whether he has it or not, but by that point on Friday night, the Giants did not have a lot of better options once that was obvious.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
I would agree with you normally
I just thought it was a mistake due to Wilson’s lack of recent work.
Nyet
Bochy still keeps him for “save situations,” or a tie at home.
I would be all for using the best reliever in the most pivotal situations, even if it’s the bases loaded in the 7th.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
by achiappanza on Aug 10, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
word
i don’t trust him enough to hand him the ball with a one run lead in the playoffs, but hey, i’m not bochy.
it’s true, but he’s highly entertaining, regardless
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever watched Wilson pitch before? (Or Nen for that matter?)
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't fall in
No, I have never ever watched Wilson or Nen pitch before. I just read about them on the Internets. How did you guess?
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
I’m just saying that was/is both of their m.o.’s. Settle down champ.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nen would put runners on base, but I never doubted that he would eventually get the save / end the inning, sure there were times that he blew saves, but when Nen blew a save it was shocking. With Wilson… I have no such level of confidence, when Wilson blows a save it’s not shocking (and when Benitez blew a save it was expected).
I agree with this
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nen was hopeless in a tie-game or with inherited runners.
You could call it — get-it-in-fastball…POW…walk-off-homer. It was like that for years and Dusty never learned his lesson. Dusty was a stubborn stubborn guy. What I liked about Roger Craig was that he didn’t trust his players and he didn’t care how rich or famous they were, if they didn’t lay down bunts or take pitches when he ordered it, they rode pine.
Rod Beck used to let difficult guys reach, then strike out the easy ones
It would backfire about 2x per year, but it worked 38 out of 40.
Gotcha, dude, that’s all my buddy would do here in town, he’d smoke, then go and watch Adult swim. As for me? well, i’m usually either asleep or watching something on TV, but that’s good shit
What's "good shit"...
…what he was watching or what he was smoking?
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 9, 2009 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
lol Jonathan Broxton
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
They give way too much credit to save numbers and reliever wins, because in order to compete for the CY as a reliever, you really have to have an ERA well under 2.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I like our team; It has Tim Lincecum and Matt Cain.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
It could still go to Haren…
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 8, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
My Dream:
- La Rondalla opens again and puts the prices back at $9 per pitcher margarita
that’s all.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
oh and Go! Cubs Go! and whatever the Braves do.. Whoooaaaa whooooaaaahwooo tomahawk chop shit
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Both are nauseating.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I live a half block away from there! I miss that place. I say open it back up, rats and all.
by Hoist That Rag on Aug 8, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m super down for that. Unfortunately, I know the family. Ever since their son (good friend of mine) passed away, they aren’t interested it. I don’t even think they have the lease on the place anymore. Too many memories at that bar and in that place.
Is there a game on tv tonight? With the 1pm start time for the Giants today, I keep thinking it’s Sunday and there’s a Miller game on later on.
again, with the junior circuit…
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, all my thoughts are on the Dodgers right now. We can catch them
With malice towards the Dodgers
Geez cubs do something right for once PLEASE
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The Empire has made a critical error and the time to attack is at hand.
Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
(bow chicka WOW wow, wacka wacka wow wow…)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
One hand clapping
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Bothans is my favorite new MCC meme of 2009
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
(tips cap)
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 8, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Of the clap?
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 10, 2009 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
i’d kinda like to shake those i’rockies; they’re biting on my pant leg and won’t let go.
well, it was really gary thomasson--the great, giant, fan
by greatgiantfan on Aug 8, 2009 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
if the cubs would stop being total FAILure then that will happen.
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
velez homerun
Just caught the highlight clip. Wow, that was to a pretty deep part of the park.
JUICER
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He destroyed it
Pimped it a bit too. Wouldn’t bee surprised to see him get dusted tomorrow.
Thanks Lee
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 8, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions