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Maybe the Giants undervalued Alderson!



I know he is gone, a pirate farmhand, but the break is sudden and he must be followed.   Followed more favorably  than in a Tyler Walker kind of way. Tyler came in to pitch to Hanley Ramirez tonight with the bases loaded.  Ramirez, possibly one of the best hitters in baseball faced  Good old overweight Walker, who  struck him out.   Phillies still lost.  But Alderson, the hope of many who envisioned a Lincy, Cain, Bumgarner, Alderson and (Sanchez/Zito)rotation in 2011is still too emotionally bound to giants fans, that many have just not yet gotten over his departure. .

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Big Timmy "A"  today, headlined the crappy Altoona team, by going 6 no hit innings.  A couple of more outings like that and Sabean will have to insist that the pirates include a player to be named later to complete the Sanchez, for Alderson deal.

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Are we already over the loss of Alderson as part of the giants organization?
Alderson is gone, I'm not upset, I still think the was over-rated.
73 votes
I'm still upset the giants under-rated their prospect, and should have kept him or gotten more in return.
101 votes
It was a fair trade, not a steal for either team but served the interests of each team.
131 votes
It was Sabean making the trade, of course we got fleeced.
57 votes
It's only PIttsburgh, if we decide we need to get Alderson back, we can do it without giving up much.
35 votes
Who cares about Alderson, we got Freddie Sanchez, and he is quickly becoming one of my favorite players.
62 votes

459 votes | Poll has closed

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I was generally a little against the trade but it wasn’t particularly bad & i came to terms with it pretty quickly. As is the way with players, Alderson was over-rated by us before the trade and is becoming under-rated now he’s left. The Giants probably valued him pretty accurately in that they liked him very much, but were willing to trade him if the situation dictated.

Alderson’s perfomance tonight means nothing as it’s just one game and a minor league game at that. It shows that he’s a very talented pitcher but then we all know that anyway. It also didn’t really answer any of the questions marks with him which is that his strikeout rate is low (3 K’s in the 6 innings) and that his stuff may not transfer as effectively to the major league level (which will be unproven until he reaches the majors)

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by GiantFan on Aug 8, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Alderson’s perfomance tonight means nothing as it’s just one game and a minor league game at that.

how dare you? this proves conclusively that he will win several Cy Youngs

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 8, 2009 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL sample size

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by CB30 on Aug 8, 2009 1:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Take your small sample size and shove it LOL

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Aug 8, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

sanchez is good

alderson is a highly rated prospect

meh.

by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 8, 2009 1:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Freddie Sanchez is the second best hitter on the team and the only Giants’ player last night that could catch the ball. I’m happy with the trade. Let me know when we have a huge hole in our rotation and Alderson is pitching no hitters against major league teams.

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by rxmeister on Aug 8, 2009 6:23 AM PDT reply actions  

That was actually a very good poll, representing a wide array of opinions. Well done!

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by Lyle on Aug 8, 2009 8:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Don’t get smart with me, you whippersnapper. Why, I ought to take my cane and…..

Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!

by Lyle on Aug 9, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

What was the middle one?

by VidaWantsYourCar on Aug 8, 2009 10:12 AM PDT reply actions  

We traded Alderson?

When did this happen?

We should have discussed this.

LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.

by Lincecain on Aug 8, 2009 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Hey! I just heard Joe Nathan’s gone too.

by SnowLeopard on Aug 8, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bananas ARE safe!

We never should have let Tyler Walker go!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

 I never paid enough attention to Alderson to speak knowledgeably about him. But, that doesn’t mean I don’t have a criteria for evaluating how good Alderson will be for the Pirates. Here it is in a nutshell: the Pirates GM appears to be way better than the Giants GM, therefore Giants probably got hosed and Alderson will be a stud ML pitcher.
’nuff said.

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by cybermaldonado on Aug 8, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

“Pirates GM is better than Giants’ GM?” Just what are you basing that on? He’s made a flurry of trades, and pretty much all of baseball thinks he got relatively nothing. Alderson is pretty much the best prospect they have acquired for all of that major league talent, and the jury is still out on him.

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by rxmeister on Aug 8, 2009 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

“He’s made a flurry of trades, and pretty much all of baseball thinks he got relatively nothing.”

i didnt go out of my way to find opinions on the Pirates’ GM but while looking for info on the Alderson deal i read more than a few times that the trade with Seattle was decent for them also.

by grako on Aug 10, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also made a horrible overdraft in June, which I hate having to say about a kid from my alma mater. BA did a draft podcast during which I think Jim Callis made a really articulate argument against that pick — even if you wanted a signability pick it was the wrong way to go (since they still overspent getting Tony signed).

My Bucardo is better than yours.

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by Roger on Aug 11, 2009 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although in fairness, they’re strategy of drafting a bunch of HS pitchers who were thought unsignable and then throwing 1st round money at them was aggressive and successful. So kudos for that.

My Bucardo is better than yours.

A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.

by Roger on Aug 11, 2009 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you shouldn’t make judgments based on one game!

by Natto on Aug 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe the poster overvalued what he had to contribute!

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by lyricalkiller on Aug 8, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

we sucked yesterday

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by merkin on Aug 11, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

sample size

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Say Hey Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!

by merkin on Aug 11, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what that Tyler Walker/ Hanley Ramirez part is doing in your post.

I think people are too focused on the future here, and not enough on the present. The addition of Sanchez gives us a more adequate offense, and could really help the team this season. Alderson is a highly regarded prospect, but for some reason people seem to think that means he is undoubtedly the next big thing even though he always projected to be a back of the rotation starter (and his stock has fallen quite a bit lately).

I hear so much about Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano, but nobody here ever seems to mention all the highly touted prospects like Vogelsong, Foppert, etc. I know Scott Barnes has been doing well this season, but once he got traded people acted like we just lost Madison Bumgarner. I just hope I’m not going to have to hear this argument over and over again after every single minor league game Alderson starts. Why can’t we just appreciate the fact that we now have a really good second baseman, both defensively and offensively (who I think should be hitting in the 3 spot)?

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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 8, 2009 11:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Vogelsong wasn’t that highly touted. Pretty much everyone thought the Giants had fleeced the Pirates from the moment that trade went down.

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by jcb9 on Aug 8, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

as I remembered it, opinions varied on Vogelsong. I remember reading at the time of the trade that some thought Vogelsong had a chance to be “something special.”

by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 8, 2009 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I never heard that. It was pretty much a fleecing from the get-go.

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by Lyle on Aug 9, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

short bus special that is

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by merkin on Aug 11, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are a bunch of examples I could’ve used

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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!

by Useful_Idiot on Aug 8, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

We never should have let Tyler Walker go!

My Dave Righetti is better than your Dave Righetti.

by howtheyscored on Aug 8, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

but the break is sudden and he must be followed.

Bring a jacket , I hear the East Coast gets cold.

NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?

by victor frankenstein on Aug 8, 2009 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Past, future, present.

Being time is linear, we can discuss the past, the present, and the future, sometimes all in the same post. A concept the McCoven should be able to grasp. Some of our past top prospects were injured, and there went their careers. Joe Fontenot, Jesse Foppert, Nathan came back from injury, Jerome Williams didn’t, nor did his mental outlook, Liriano has not been the same since his surgery. So if your saying a prospect is not a sure thing because injuries can occur, is of course obvious. And what the heck happenned to William VanLandinghams stuff? Soloman Torres was a headcase. Grilli was never going to be a Lincecum or Cain. So one can delve into the intricacies of our passed prospects. How they turned out, does not always reflect badly on the scouts. Injuries can be totally unpredictable. That does not mean that we wont enjoy Freddie Sanchez’s play in a giants uniform.

by bradleybear on Aug 8, 2009 9:52 PM PDT reply actions  

But that's just it , BB...they're passed. Or past.

Not present.
And as I look into the future I don’t see …well , it is foggy. And dark.
And I can neither confirm nor deny that I’ve been into the goody bag again…

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by victor frankenstein on Aug 9, 2009 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some might tell you that time isn’t linear, we just perceive it that way.

I'm thinking but nothing's happening.

by JRPhillips on Aug 11, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

My Take On Alderson

I saw Tim Alderson pitch in person. I find it comical that there are those who criticize this trade without actually ever seeing him in person….In fact the following is what I posted in a fanpost back in May:

<<<Tim Alderson had an interesting evening. His fastball topped out at 88 (which was disappointing to me) but his off speed pitches were spot on. Now, I don’t know if his poor velocity was due to a slow radar gun at the park or because he was pitching on 3 days rest, but his fastball looked very hittable to me…He was behind most of the hitters but did not issue any walks because simply put, when the going gets rough, Tim knows how to throw strikes!!>>>>

Bottom line is, IMHO Alderson was way over-rated and will be nothing more than a marginal pitcher when facing major league hitters..

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by Mordy From Monsey on Aug 9, 2009 7:09 AM PDT reply actions  

So you are going to tell us that he will be a marginal pitcher in the majors!

And this is because a 19 or 20 year old dude, did not have his best fastball the day that you saw him pitch. It is possible that you are absolutely correct. But this would probably be just slightly more likely than random chance.

by bradleybear on Aug 10, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw him pitch on a different day and I wasn’t blown away. Good control, not overwhelming stuff. He may become a decent major leaguer, maybe not… his ceiling is not all that high.
Dare I say it? Third starter at best.

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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 12, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't mind trading either Barnes or Alderson on their own

but trading both disappointed me a bit. Here’s hoping Wheeler signs and performs as a draft pick that high should.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 9, 2009 12:55 PM PDT reply actions  

LOLburgh is still LOLburgh.

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by El Person on Aug 9, 2009 8:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Who's Alderson?

j/k

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by Yoyo on Aug 9, 2009 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Sandy?

Skinny cooks?
I don't trust em.

by LargeFarva on Aug 10, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

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