RIOS CLAIMED BY UNKNOWN TEAM: OPEN OVERREACTION THREAD
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I don’t have any idea how I am supposed to react to this.
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OMGOMGOMGOMG
I wouldn’t mind this. I just hope we don’t give up anybody good for him since the Jays are looking to dump his salary.
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but what about EpicGenio? Or Winn? OR OR JUGGERNATE?!!?
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Velez and Winn but my man crush is too strong for Juggernate
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez, Rios, Sandoval, Garko,
wtf? a solid middle of the lineup?
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
but…..but…..but….but…..Molina isn’t hitting cleanup……I’m so confused….
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still could, of course.
VOTE SANDOVAL
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Aug 7, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios hits home run in 2nd inning
by DrJ Funk Master Deluxe 3000 on Aug 7, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
with Bay and Drew hurting/struggling, could it possibly be the Red Sox? Would he even be an upgrade over Reddick or other AAA players?
STUPID RED SOX FAN IS STUPID
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
truly.
i guess when you have a fan base that large, you’re bound to have a few r-tards give fans a black eye.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox fans should know they need pitching…
by Hobbes2d on Aug 7, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazing
considering the amount of depth they possessed just a month ago.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Brad Penny sucks so not surprised there.
Wakefield got hurt. Dice K was already out of the picture.
Smoltz struggling at his age, in the AL East coming off a serious injury is no surprise either.
Wakefield and Dice K getting hurt and Penny and Bucholz’s struggles have hurt them a lot.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are like the anti Giants. We yo-yo position players tehy yoyo starting pitchers
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz was just DFA’d.
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by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they just brought up Junichi Tazawa
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would they do it to prevent the Yankees from grabbing him?
Not that the Yankees necessarily need him, but there are still Steinbrenner’s in that company, fer goodness sake.
by otis29 on Aug 7, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know how long the rest this process takes now?
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not going to get excited since the Jays can just pull him back from waivers. As bad as they want to shed payroll I doubt they’d let him get away for nothing. And I don’t really want the Giants to trade anyone good for Rios at this point.
That said I’d be happy to get him.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 7, 2009 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this
pretty normal process. Big time contracts always make their way to the waiver wire. Very rarely do these sort of things work itself out. Although I am curious to see how was willing to take on that sort of salary. Thats a substantial amount.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it would take a lot though
They have a crap load of payroll committed to next year. They don’t have a lot of options or flexibility unless they get rid of some people.
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought that their decision to keep Halladay
would coincide with a potentional Rios trade. Now with Rios and Rolen off the books, they could be free to sign Halladay to an extension.
Realistically, it probably wasnt even us who made the claim. If a team is willing to do this, I could see the Mets (doesnt delgado’s contract expire this season?) making the move.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Neukom wasn’t too big on adding too much payroll for big contracts. Could be totally wrong though
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios' patroling Right Fielder
would be pretty awesome. He’s an amazing defensive value. And although maddening inconsistent on offense, his numbers always seem to be there at the end of the year. He would be better than overpaying for Holiday or Bay. This would be an excellent move actually.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Right Fielder related to Prince Fielder? If so, I assume he would automatically hate the dodgers.
by Fresburg on Aug 7, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAN SITE LINKS PRINCE FIELDER’S RELATIVE TO DODGERS
by goGSW24 on Aug 7, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PRINCE FIELDER’S RELATIVE SAYS PRINCE IS WILLING TO SIT OUT ALL SEASON EVEN THOUGH HE ALREADY HAS CONTRACT
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this is true, I’m gonna unplug you
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before MadBum Trade – OMG HES AMAZING
After MadBum Trade – DUDE SUX! #2 STARTER AT BEST!
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TINSTAAP NO BREAKING BALLZ
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MADBUM DOES COKE AND BEATS WIFE
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PixLOLs
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG
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by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i blame billy mays
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just saw on the MurkyNews that “Cocaine contributed to TV pitchman Billy Mays’ death”
by Merope on Aug 7, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U R 5
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U DED DOG
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by ringleader3 on Aug 7, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did the U R 5 come from?
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Aug 8, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely nothing surprising about that. Dude was always wired
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At first I read that as “always weird” … and wondered how you knew.
by Merope on Aug 7, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's grounds for
banning. Seriously.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Aug 7, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is going to get pretty tiresome
almost every team in MLB is going be put on waivers over the next few weeks. Many of them are going to be claimed, very few of them are actually going to switch teams.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2009 1:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I meant almost every player in MLB is going to be put on waivers…
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but there’s actually been trades the last few days. Pavano was traded today, Gaudin was traded yesterday, and there was a minor deal for Anderson Hernandez. Looks like the GM’s predictions of lots of August deals are coming true, and they’ll even be more by the end of the month, because many teams who still think they’re in it will be gone by then.
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by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Rios is an exception to this, as he was heavily mentioned in trade rumors. Coupled with the fact that many McCoven are enamored with Rios on the while, it’s much more relevant than your average waiver claim.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*whole
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Giants were the first team to put the claim in if the description of the waiver process is correct.
by nataku on Aug 7, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t he have to go through every team in the AL first? Surely somebody would grab him.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, all the AL teams get first dibs so the rumor that the White Sox possibly placed the claim is more likely than any NL team.
by nataku on Aug 7, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of shocking a team would claim him with his contract.
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by jponry on Aug 7, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can teams make claims to block other teams?
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but they are at risk of getting his contract
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which isn’t unreasonable
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, when you make a claim, it’s not automatic right? Like, if the Giants claimed him, but couldn’t work out a deal they liked, they didn’t have to take him?
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m useless when it comes to transaction stuff.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
read MLBTR comments for help!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The claiming team can not pull back their claim. However, they can refuse to trade any player or money for the player put on waivers, thus forcing his current owners to either pull back the waiver and keep him, or give him to the claiming team for nothing. In that case the claiming team would only be on the hook for his remaining contract – the entire term.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto can pull him back whenever they want, but once they do, they can’t trade him anymore.
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. They can put him back on waivers after that, but after that they cannot pull him back again.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 7, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, if they put Rios on irrevocable waivers, and he was claimed
why would the claiming team “trade” anything to the Blue Jays to get Rios
the waivers are “irrevocable,” Rios is theirs
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by merkin on Aug 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, its the Jays who can pull out of it. If the Giants pull out then he would be “claimed” nad any under the giants in the waiver order can claim him
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that should say
If the Giants pull out then he would basically not be "claimed" by the Giants and any team under the giants in the waiver order can claim him
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great… Little Sabeans running around with goatees and laptops… AGGGHH.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking trike tires.
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by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
doing their little due diligence
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by RDreamer on Aug 7, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After nap time.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dookie dilligence
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Giants make a claim, and Toronto decides all they want is rid of the contract, yes the Giants would be stuck with him.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding, ding, ding
You are correct!
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically this
The Blue Jays now have three choices:
-They can let the claiming team have Rios and the $60MM-plus remaining on his contract.
-They can pull him back from waivers and keep him.
-They can work out a deal with the claiming team.
If they decide to pull him back, they cannot trade him until after the season is done.
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Xanthan: WAT IS THIS GAME OF BASE-BALL?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBNetwork disagrees
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice copy/paste from the link ;)
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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Say Hey Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!
by merkin on Aug 7, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF they make a trade..
Do the players Toronto is receiving have to clear waivers or would they all just be PTBNL?
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by Azmanz on Aug 7, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing J.P Ricciardi, I bet he did it by accident
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is either a) traded to the team b) pulled back by Toronto or c) given outright to the claming team. I think it’s 7 days for this process but could be wrong.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 days (not including weekends) dealine for Toronto is Tuesday
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
I hope we’re not going to have to wait a couple days to find out who the team is
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball is a huge knitting circle of blabber mouths, we will know before game time (no one will confirm it though)
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/Renel
In LF batting 4th…. ALEX RIOS
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhh i thought this was for Armando Rios…
by cazzuno on Aug 7, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting 4th??
Bengie Molina has rented that place out the rest of the season.
by SFGuy on Aug 8, 2009 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
You can claim someone to block them – but you gotta be careful ’cause you might end up w/ the player ;)
I think the redsox did this a year or two ago, I forget.
by FairweatherFan on Aug 7, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHOULD I PANIC OR GET MY HOPES HIGH?
I AM CONFUSED!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 7, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither, a good player with a good contract, right side of 30, great glove, ave bat. But alot of teams have the right to claim him in front of us
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMGOMGOMG
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How long is he signed for?
If the contract is really that long i bet it is a non-contender.
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt its a non contender
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2014
5M this year, 9M next year and then about 12M/yr from 11’-14’
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
he’s locked up for a while.
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's worse than that
2009: ~$2M remaining
2010: $9.7M
2011: $12M
2012: $12M
2013: $12.5M
2014: $12.5M
2015: $13.5M club option – with a $1M buyout
In all it’s $61.6M from now until the end of 2014 (assuming the $1M buyout is exercised and he’s cut loose for 2015.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who are the realistic possibilities to claim him
Based on teams current situation and his contract, you can probably narrow down the possibilities a lot.
-The Giants
-Mets
-Braves?
-Rockies?
-Seattle?
-Cleveland?
-White Sox?
I left off teams who have a better record than us because if we didn’t claim him who cares who did. Not sure about teams with question marks, mostly because I can’t think off all their outfield situations off the top of my head. With help from the group, I think we can narrow this down.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cincy lol. Contenderz
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re rebuilding, I would find it hard to believe
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not really buying Seattle either, the rest seem very possible though
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seattle seems like a good candidate, actually. They love outfield defense.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see Seattle claiming him
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seattle was getting rid of salary at the end of july… why would they want to add/tie up salary through 2014?
by Bryappie on Aug 7, 2009 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea but are they gonna play him in LF or what?
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
srsly. they have a pretty good right fielder already
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by RDreamer on Aug 7, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly bad guesses
There’s not enough money for Atlanta, Colorado, Seattle, Cleveland, or the White Sox (they just added > $50M in salary from the Peavy deal) to take him on. Don’t forget that Rios is still owed around $61.5M over the next 5.33 years. Also, don’t forget that a team may be claiming him as a blocking move to keep a competitor from getting him. They wouldn’t want him on their team, but they’d be gambling that the Jays would pull him off the wire when they tell the Jays they won’t trade anybody or any $$$ for Rios.
Also, you have to consider all of the teams in the AL (even those with better records than us), because the order goes: entire AL first, then entire NL. So, only the Fodgers and Phils are above us on the list.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I put ? because I wasn’t sure if he was a fit there. However, I highly doubt anyone would claim him as a blocking move with his contract and the current economic conditions. Also, if there are teams who would do that, it’s those above (except Cleve and Seat, possible Atl), but you don’t think they have the money.
Was wrong about the waiver rules, so I’d definitely add Red Sox to that list, maybe not so much the Yankees.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I agree that the only teams likely to take the gamble and block are big market teams in the playoff chase (ie. Yanks, Angels, and BoSox) – although Minaya is a nut-job and the Mets have money, so he could think that this would be a way to make a splash and save his job.
BTW, IMO the Yanks are the best fit for him (forgetting all the playoff implications) because they need a stud RF for next year to play alongside either Jason Bay or Matt Holliday in LF. They can easily afford him with Damon, Matsui, Petite and Hinske coming off the books this year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pettitte and Hinske don’t make that much money this year. And they’re not signing two big time FA outfielders. In fact the Yankees have been conservative since the off season splurge. There’s no way they’re doing another massive increase next year.
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by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No money at all in Cleveland.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I don’t really know their situation financially, but they got out paying Lee and Martinez next year so I thought they might have some room. Could totally be wrong though.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/124963387135800.xml&coll=2
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
link fail, but you get the idea
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mets don’t seem to have money either, after the Madoff thing.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Madoff thing is a good point. I would really think the Mets would be a logical choice to claim Rios if not for this, but who knows how much the Madoff thing affects the day to day finances of that team.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they dumped Lee and Martinez contract, so I figured they might have some financial flexibility. Sizemore in CF, not sure about the corners. I put some non-contenders on there because his contract is long so it doesn’t necessarily have to be a team contending this year but thinks they can in the near future.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MOLINA CLAIMS WAFERS
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by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Those are awesome
Just dont look at the amount of trans fat. Scary
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trans fat? Sounds Divine.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually meant
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOM NOM NOM
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by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your crazy pie making theories intrigue me.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES PLZ
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garnish it with bacon
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That site makes me so hungry
Is it bad that I use it for recipie ideas?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You only live once.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
by cheno on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eat right. Exercise. Die anyway.
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Aug 7, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winner.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Aug 8, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spending the ages of 60-80 without diabetes> with diabetes
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 9, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spending 60-80 with legs> spending 60-80 without legs.
15=/=25
by hazel on Aug 9, 2009 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHERE CAN I FIND THIS?
Adopted brother of Jason Jarvis.
by j14 on Aug 7, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
entire box of nilla wafers + large glass of milk = a pleasant evening.
by oneflapdown on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GIVE ME RIOS OR GIVE ME DEATH
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Death is the sure thing in life
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hold out for better
His OPS isn’t even better than what’s a garko – i’m a garko
Every reform movement has a lunatic fringe - Theodore the Dodger Hater Roosevelt
by Cannonballden on Aug 7, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The attraction is that he is perhaps the best defensive OF in baseball, and is having a down offensive year.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call. His contract isn't too bad either. ~$10M per year till 2014/15
Every reform movement has a lunatic fringe - Theodore the Dodger Hater Roosevelt
by Cannonballden on Aug 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I just think whoever claimed him is not thinking about this year, and is probably building for the future. I don’t know enough about other team’s OF situations to speculate on who that could be.
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NEEDLESS TO SAY, HE PLAYS IN AL EAST! HE WOULD BE BEST PLAYER EVER IN NLOL WEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Most likely the BoSox or Yanks
Here’s my guess – in the order of most likely to least likely:
1. BoSox: They suddenly need help. Youklis actually played LF last night. Bay is hurt, and, most importantly, they want to keep Rios away from the Yanks and Angels. Bay could fly the coop at the end of this season, so Rios could be nice insurance for that.
2. Yanks: They don’t so much need him this year, but he’d fit in so nice and cheaply next year – think of it as the lay-away plan that only costs them about $2.2M for the rest of this year. They have Damon playing LF now, with Hinske, Gardner, Cabrerra, and Swisher manning the other 2 spots off-and-on. Hinske, Damon, and Matsui (only DHing now) are all gone after this season, so Rios would fit in just fine. Until then he’s a nice bat of the bench and a better defender than any of their other OF’s except maybe Cabrerra.
3. Angels: With Torii Hunter still hurt, Vlad an injury just waiting to happen, and Bobby Abreu and Vlad FAs at the end of this season, Rios would seem to be a nice fit for injury relief this season and as the starting RF next year. Besides, the Angels didn’t take on any players before the trade deadline, so they have some salary to work with.
4. Giants: I hope this isn’t true, but you never know with Sabes in charge. I just can’t think of any team in the NL that could take on salary, and is in the postseason race. The Mets could afford him, but why take the chance now that they have no hope for the playoffs. IMO, Rios would be a nice fit on the Giants, except for the horrible terms of his contract. There’s no way that we should be handcuffing ourselves down to another long-term contract (he still has 5.33 years and $61.5M left on it – which comes out to a little under $12M per year). Our bad experiences with Zito and Rowand should be enough of a warning on that front.
Of course, this all could be wrong. For all we know, this could just be a claim that was put in by a team that doesn’t want Rios, but wants to block him from going to a competitor. They’re gambling that the Jays won’t call their bluff and give Rios away for no players in return (ie. a straight salary dump). I think that would be a good bet, as I can’t believe that the Jays would give him up for nothing in return – the fans would revolt.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yanks, are last in line with, from what I’ve been reading, little payroll fexibility. Its already 208M
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong, wrong, wrong
The Yanks are last in line in the AL, but ahead of every team in the NL. The order goes: entire AL first, then entire NL. So, only the Fodgers and Phils are above us on the list.
As for salary, as I wrote above, they only owe Rios about $2.2M for the rest of this year. The salaries that they shed for next year (Hinske, Damon, Matsui, …) more than make up for the $10M Rios is owed next year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not questioning the waiver rules… saying yanks aren’t in it.
by Bryappie on Aug 7, 2009 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet it was the Red Sox
Partly to cock block the Yankees
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean if none of the worse teams claimed him
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're notorious for doing that
And I bet it’ll happen again this year. If not for Rios, then def. for a pitcher.
by gvp914 on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s no way a team blocks another by putting in a claim for a player signed thru 2014 and making 60 million dollars. Teams only block when it comes to some impending FA or player not making a lot of money. As for your predictions, the injury to Jason Bay is only day to day so they’re not claiming a contract like this because of a small injury. They also are negotiating a new contract with Bay and want to keep him past this season. There’s no room for both of them. I also say no to the Yankees, because of the reasons I mentioned above, added to the fact that they now look like the best team in baseball. Why add 60 million when you’re rolling? The Angels? Maybe.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your opinions on the BoSox and Yanks
1. He fits in perfectly with the Yanks considering they’d only be paying him about $2M for the rest of this year to be at least a pinch-hitter and a defensive replacement. The Yanks have been starting Nick Swisher and Hinske in RF this year (and just recently Jerry Hairston). Do you really think they wouldn’t see Rios as a big upgrade? Then next year he’s a cheap (to them) starting RF to go along with Cabrera in CF and either Bay or Holliday in LF. Don’t forget that Damon, Hinske and Matsui are all gone at the end of this year. If for some reason they strike out on those 2, Rios would fill in nicely while they wait for Carl Crawford to become a FA after the 2010 season.
2. As for the BoSox, I don’t think their entire motive will be blocking. I think that Rios is at the very least a cheap insurance policy for them the rest of this season in case of the lingering hammy injury to Bay, and the always injury-prone JD Drew. Going forward, do you really think the BoSox are putting all thier eggs in one basket in regards to re-signing Bay? If they haven’t signed him by now they almost certainly won’t be able to as the season winds down (no reason for Bay not to test the market now with the Yanks likely to pay top $$$ to try and steal him away from their hated rival). Epstein usually has multiple back-up plans. Going forward, having Rios through 2014 would allow them to trade JD Drew (he’s too injury-prone – averaging < 120 games played per season in his career – and not nearly as good a defender as Rios), or replace Ellsbury in CF with a more powerful bat and just as good of a glove.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
reply fail?
Um, do I make any predictions about Bay? I, too, doubt any team would cock-block at that high of expense, which is why I said they’d “def.” do it for a pitcher. Yanks need some back end help and so do the Red Sox, so it’d only make sense for the Sox to pick up any pitcher off Waivers they think the Yanks might be interested in. It’ll help their pitching, and it’ll prevent the Yanks from improving.
by gvp914 on Aug 7, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Checked with my buddy in the Red Sox org
NO.
He’ll eat crow if that weren’t the case.
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't Toronto not want to trade in the division?
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto doesn’t have a choice about who claims him, but I’m assuming if Boston or NY did claim him they’d probably just keep Rios.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the top 3 choices are only possible if the Giants didn’t claim because of the reverse order thing.
Winn, Johnson and Molina off the books next year, so I think the money is there if the Giants did claim him. Neal & Kieschnick are a few years away and Nate/FLew/Velez are nice stop gaps but no players you’d be too upset with bumping for a job once those guys are ready. I could see it being us. If it was, lets just hope Sabean gets the Jays would be happy to give up that contract for not too much.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t it reverse order within the league? So all AL teams would have to pass before the Giants got a shot?
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s by record, and then by league if multiple teams claim him of them same record. I’m not sure though.
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Evan is right
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec’d
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B&
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evan is right!
The Yanks are last in line in the AL, but ahead of every team in the NL. The order goes: entire AL first, then entire NL. So, only the Fodgers and Phils are above us on the list.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:
If a player is claimed by more than one team, the club with the worst record in that player’s league gets priority — and the player can be traded only to that team
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that what Evan said?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he is offered to all teams, worst record gets him. If teams with same record put in a claim, THEN league is the tie breaker.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I have no idea. I’m confused.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB rules are confusing.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in practice, it’s the same thing. If any AL team wants him, we lose.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh wait, I see what you’re saying. I dunno.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wha?
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, pretty sure EVAN WAS RIGHT.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is quickly becoming my favorite thread ever.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thinking necessary
Evan was right. The AL gets first shot, in reverse order of their current records.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not my understanding
But I don’t really understand.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ideal solution is that MLB should unilaterally move any half-decent player from the AL to the NL when given the slightest excuse, as the NL is barely more than a glorified teeball league and needs all the help it can get.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/08/waiver_trade_ru.html
If more than one team places a claim on a player, the winning claim is awarded based on worst record or the league the claiming team is in.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Roberts is off the books next year, too.
/sobs
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s making money as a Red Sox broadcaster, as well
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels is a good call — that makes sense.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contract isn't that bad...
“And Rios has been nothing short of fantastic the last two years – he was worth +4.6 wins in 2007 and +5.5 wins last year. And he’s got the exact same skillset as he had then.”
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rios-wells/
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can we resign Sanchez though?
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldnt prevent them from resigning Sanchez, if they choose to do that
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure we should resign Sanchez.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Multi-year deals for 34 year old middle infielders always work out!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s only 31 this year. Unless you meant the last year of a 3 year deal or something.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. The 34-year old thing was meant to evoke Renteria.
And yeah, if we gave Sanchez a 3-year deal, he’d be 34 by the end of it.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez already has a deal in place. The Giants are on the hook for $8M next year for him.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 7, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes and no. They have an option which becomes automatic if he reaches 600 plate appearances.
People have been talking about a 3-year deal that would supersede that option and run from 2010-2012.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if Sanchez would do a 2 year? I doubt he would, but it becomes more tempting.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d maybe do a short-term deal. Not sure he would.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he did offer a 3 year extension to Pit that waived his option this year. You never know
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His camp proposed a 3 year/18million deal to the Pirates.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a pretty sweet deal. But would he offer the same deal to the Giants?
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ITS DA GINATS! OF COURS!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate how most of the Giants coverage for Sanchez has been like
OMG HE MUST BE SO EXCITED TO PLAY MEANINGFUL BASEBALL NOW!!!
It’s pretty stupid.
by xanthan on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but it’s probably true. He played his whole career for a team that never had a .500 season while he was there.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I’d pass if it’s anything significantly more, but around that amount would be great at 2B for us IMO.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Idk...Giants have a record of overpaying for players.
They might get bullied into paying more.
by californianotter on Aug 7, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’d offer the same 3yr for 18mil, sabes, " no man, you deserve better than that. let’s go 2 years for 18.5mil with a player option for 8mil on the third year.
by Bryappie on Aug 7, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that bought out his option, It would be a good deal
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea I mean a 2-3 year range. Who would you prefer to play 2B if he’s gone??
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want me Rios
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously!
In fact, I’d almost call it good.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios's contract
I agree that the per year amounts are quite nice. However, the length is just a killer. There’s no way we should risk spending $61.5M (guaranteed) over the next 5.33 year with the uncertainties of injuries, the economy, and the vagaries of performance likely to bite us at some point. The risk just isn’t worth the reward. Read the tea leaves. The only players that will be getting > 3 year contracts for the foreseeable future are the true superstars. All the rest will be fighting for the scraps.
Besides, he’s not likely to hit as well playing so many games in AT&T, PetCo, and Chavez Ravine versus Toronto, Fenway, Yankee Stadium, Camden Yards, and the Trop.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he would get to play in the top 2 hitters parks in baseball in Coors and Chase Field. Also, that park factors thing has AT&T as the 11th best hitters park right after Yankee Stadium and well ahead of Camden and Toronto.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. I’ve been mystified by the misconception around here.
Saving countless runs with my Brian Horwitz
by lyricalkiller on Aug 7, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. From out here in our moms’ basements it looks like a no-brainer to go after him, but (a) we have only the vaguest idea how things are looking financially in the MLB front offices, and (b) much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those
much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those
much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those
much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those
much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those
much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those
Also, much of Rios’s value resides in his superb UZR numbers, and it’s hard to know just how much to trust those. Is Bobby Abreu an almost-average outfielder, like this year, or is he a -2,301 run outfielder, like last year? UZR says yes! So I have no problem committing $70M to a player who’s value is UZR-driven, as that metric just so danged consistent.
/repeated because it gets overlooked
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
buzzkill
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also forgot to write that I like UZR. It’s just that I trust it as much as I trust a random sampling of 200 at-bats to predict future performance.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but hasn’t it, to date, done a pretty good job of predicting Rios’ future performance?
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He went from a golden god last year to below average this year, so I would say absolutely not.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I may flip over to the other side of this argument for a moment — both last year and this year were huge outliers. For his career, he’s +12.9, which is still great. And fans and scouts alike all seem to agree that he’s a good fielder, unlike Abreu.
But I get the feeling there are park-specific or team-specific variables that haven’t been fully accounted for by fielding stats. We just don’t know exactly where the error bars are with UZR. And given Rios’s age, salary, and unspectactular hitting, you need to be SURE he’s a great fielder.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
more like a silver or a bronze god. let’s not get ahead of ourselves
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensively, he was platinum.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Aug 7, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I SAID GOLDEN!!!
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 7, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, most of Rios’s value resides in his eminently trustable veteran savvy?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Aug 7, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, he put on that amazing display in that homerun derby that one time and he’d be coming from the AL to the NL
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get slow roasted over an open fire every time I bash UZR.
You and Evan have my best wishes for the future.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 7, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t even need to bring Abreu into the discussion:
Rios’s UZR/150 last year: 27.5
Rios’s UZR/150 this year: -.6
And he’s hitting .261/.315/.413. So he’d be our worst hitting outfielder? Sweet.
Committing $60M or whatever to a corner outfielder having a second straight sub-.800 OPS season? He’d better be able to snare home runs out of the air with his wang.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea you were so kinky, Grant.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m picturing a toad eating a fly, but with home runs and wangs.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PORTEND?
that’s so weird i was just watching david attenborough’s Life in Cold Blood last night
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the fact that you are thinking about his wang that is bothersome.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda thought he was better but his career OPS is only 18 points higher than Randy Winn’s.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
While I think this definitely a down year for him. I think expecting 07 numbers year to year is also a stretch. That’s a lot of money for a 15 HR guy.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at a position of team strength.*
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers would be a cleanup hitter on the Giants.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 7, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not with Bengie on the team!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Aug 7, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a couple of points:
a) Aside from this year he’s been consistantly ranked as a very good outfielder so it’s not simply a small sample size.
b) The scouting has backed up the stats as he’s always had a great reputation defensively.
c) He certainly gains a lot of value due to his defence but that’s not where all his value comes from. Even if you regress him back to a league average outfielder he’s still been worth around 3.5 WAR the past 2 seasons and been worth more than his contract will now be paying him.
Proud parent of Waldis Joaquin!
by GiantFan on Aug 7, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he'd bump Bengie from cleanup!!1!!!11!
oh noaz, a cleanup hitter with a .300+ OBP? I iz not understanding.
by gvp914 on Aug 7, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I DONT KNO WHAT IS HAPPNING BUT I AM EXCITED
by shanghaijim on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember my first time
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
by jhiat00 on Aug 7, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only the analogy held true
I knew exactly what was happening and I was extremely disappointed.
by shanghaijim on Aug 7, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give em Fred Lewis and Frandsen and let's go for it!
Rosterbation alert!
Winn RF
Sanchez 2B
Rios LF
Sandoval 3B
Garko1B
Rowand CF
Molina C
Renteria SS
Holy Shit! That is a real MLB lineup – BRING ON THE YANKESS!!!
by OTTOMATIC on Aug 7, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate’s actually hitting better than Winn, but Winn does fit in leadoff and is a gritty, classy veteran. As long as Nate gets his shot next year.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 7, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly my thought
Next year put Nate in RF and let Rowand leadoff again, and put Nate at 6. Play Bowker against tough RHP to give Rowand/Rios time off.
Our outfield would become a great asset to the team. It would be improved offensively and still be one of if not the best defensively in all of baseball
by OTTOMATIC on Aug 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but we could still have Nate and Ishi on the bench.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, I wasn’t really saying its a huge problem either, just observing.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We wouldn’t have to trade anybody for him. If the Jays are serious about dumping his salary, we can play hardball and refuse to give them anything in return. Then they would either have to give him to us, or pull him off the waiver wire and not put him back on until next August.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s exactly what I’d do. I believe they want to get rid of Rios’ contract, and I would call their bluff. Do NOT give them anything of value. If they want one of the outfielders that Rios pushes out of a job, like Freddie Lewis, that’s fine, but nothing more than that. I wouldn’t even offer them Nate or Bowker, because Winn is leaving after this season.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a Nate/Winn platoon would look pretty good at one corner outfield spot
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
….except that Winn cannot hit from the right side of the plate.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 7, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why Nate would be the one hitting against lefties.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we make the playoffs that will be a good thing.
We would probably play the Phillies first round and they have 4 Left handed starters.
by OTTOMATIC on Aug 7, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I just pooped my pants a little
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Velez and he is our leadoff hitter until he does something to show that he’s not. We are 13 days into his emergence and so far he is only gaining confidence from within but from the people around him and who root for him.
Too many OF. I think Rios would supplant Winn, actually. Winn is the odd man out. Contract about to expire and not hitting.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the entire AL does get first crack at him, right? Before the NL gets their chance to claim? If so, I doubt it’s the Giants.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 1:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My best Xanthan impression
I did not know this.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your vanilla wafer cookie post made me hungry and cranky!
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we’d be 2nd or 3rd to last to have a chance at him?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 7, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are 3rd from last
The only teams that we could block him from are the Fodgers and the Phils.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well now I'm not sure
There’s a fight raging on in the MLBTR forums about this… nobody seems to be emerging as the true KNOWER of KNOWLEDGE.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Or I’m misunderstanding, which is totally possible. If claim teams have the same record, then AL gets priority.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 7, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waivers:
A waiver is a permission granted to a Club that desires to assign or release one of its players. There are basically two types of waivers — waivers for the assignment of a player and waivers for the unconditional release of a player. In both cases, waivers are granted only after all the other Major League Clubs have been given an opportunity to claim the player and none has done so. With regard to assignment waivers, permission is granted for a specific period of time. With unconditional release waivers, once permission is granted the player is a free agent.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 7, 2009 2:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WANT
My birthday is next Friday. Sabean is waiting to give me a surprise!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 2:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
tears
Any player under contract may be placed on waivers at any time. If a player is waived, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the weakest record in the player’s league gets preference. If no team in the player’s league claims him, the claiming team with the weakest record in the other league gets preference. In the first month of the season, preference is determined using the previous year’s standings.
It’s true because it’s in blockquotes. So, essentially we’re third to last.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
damn real-life standings! Can’t they use BtB?
by shanghaijim on Aug 7, 2009 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d imagine contract plays a bigger role in his case.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was posted on MLBTR
AL player claimed on waivers:
KC
Baltimore
Cleveland
Oakland
Toronto
Minnesota
Chicago (White Sox)
Seattle
Detroit
Tampa Bay
Texas
Boston
LA
New York Yankees
then…
Washington
San Diego
Pittsburgh
Arizona
NY Mets
Houston
Milwaukee
Atlanta
Florida
St. Louis
Chicago Cubs
Colorado
San Francisco
Philadelphia
LA Dodgers
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now let’s remove the teams that obviously (?) wouldn’t claim him.
Any team that doesn’t have payroll flexibility. I am guessing that removes 2/3 of the teams.
Which teams? I dunno.
In the NL, the only teams I could see claiming him before us are: NY, Chicago, or Colorado. In the AL there are all sorts of teams that could do it. I’m guessing it was the Angels, though.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has to either be the White Sox or the Tigers. The Giants may have put in a claim, but it wouldn’t matter if any team not named the Dodgers or the Phillies also put in a claim.
by jctGamer on Aug 7, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Canadian Accent: the way you played tonight you should be lucky that someone wants your autograph.
Rios: Fuck You
Canadian Accent: you’re a bum, you’re a bum, you’re a bum, you’re a bum
Rios: yeah, who gives a fuck!!
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 2:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
unclassy younger version of Winn?
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UNCLASSY!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the comments section
I doubt the Giants have that much payroll flexibility. Course maybe they can just trade Zito for Rios straight up!! :)
I would piss myself.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do.
by shanghaijim on Aug 7, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn’t need to — I’d piss you first.
"I been waitin' a long time for this! I been waitin' since the f**kin' amateurs!" --WILL "THE THRILL" CLARK
by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 7, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-z8xPtifm0
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 7, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope it's the Giants.
I don’t think there are too many teams that can take on that kind of contract. Anyways, this creates another logjam in the outfield. Bruce Bochy will never bench Winn, so Winn will probably shit to left, CF Rowand and RF Rios. Schierholtz gets the wrong end of the deal. Velez won’t get as much time in the outfield too.
Honestly, I think Nate is comparable to Rios defensively and offensively. Unless the team is willing to sit one of the old outfielders, I say don’t make the trade. Give Nate the extra at bat.
by californianotter on Aug 7, 2009 2:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m assuming you also meant that Winn would “shift.”
by oneflapdown on Aug 7, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
woops i should really read my post before posting…sry
by californianotter on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't apologize!
Haven’t laughed that hard in a while.
by Shoeless on Aug 7, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A) It’s not the Giants
B) You are drastically overrating Nate
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Aug 7, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think i'm overrating Nate.
If Nate gets the same 400+AB he’ll probably have similar total of HR and RBI with a better average. I think you are overrating Rios.
by californianotter on Aug 7, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think Nate is comparable to Rios defensively and offensively. Unless the team is willing to sit one of the old outfielders, I say don’t make the trade
Um…no. Not at all.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For $60M, I take my chances with Nate. They’re hitting the same this year, and Nate’s dominating in UZR.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially with one albatross, is it really worth the risk of adding another?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 7, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: hitting the same this year as Ishi
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
err, Nate obviously, not Ishi
But the point is Rios’ BABIP is 35 points below his career norm.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His ’08 was really, really discouraging then. For $60M, I still take Nate, who has a pretty good chance of being Rios circa ’08.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios was a 5.5 WAR player in ‘08. How is that discouraging? That’s elite.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although I should say only about 1/3 of that came from his bat… but that’s still solidly in the “good” range.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offensively, Rios was kind of a dud for his position in ‘08, and it wasn’t because he had bad BABIP luck.
And I’m still of the belief that the WAR coming from defense isn’t predictive. It’s like wanting to claim Rios because he hit .450 with the bases loaded in ‘08 — yes, that had value, but you can’t count on it going forward. If UZR had even a mild swing from year to year, like batting average, maybe I’d think differently.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate has five strikeouts for every walk and not nearly enough power to get away with that. I don’t think Nate has a good chance to be a starting-calibre player, let alone an above-average one like Rios.
by onlxn on Aug 7, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it’s a stretch to predict Nate for a couple .291/.337/.461 seasons. Every single projection system — PECOTA to ZiPS to CHONE to Oliver to Bill James — projected him for that or a little better this year, much less his peak years.
And the people who aren’t afraid to take UZR as a predictive tool should love Schierholtz — in 770+ innings, his UZR/150 is 21.7, which is elite Rios territory.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of those projections involved Nate getting a tick better in terms of plate discipline. Instead, he’s gotten a tick worse. He’s gotten right around a third of a season’s worth of plate appearances, so triple his numbers — how many viable hitters do you know who have 24 walks and 120 strikeouts on a year? Wily Mo Pena types can occasionally slug their way into being useful despite numbers like that… Nate ain’t that kind of slugger. Small sample size, sure. But you don’t need huge samples to get a sense of a guy’s plate discipline.
Nate’s current hitting approach is untenable. He may be able to fix it. But he’s 25, and a guy that almost nobody, outside of rabid Giants fans, has seen as being starter-level potential. Let’s don’t fall in love with this guy just yet — a young ’un with an empty .290 average is no better than an old ’un with an empty .290 average.
by onlxn on Aug 7, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he doesn’t have great discipline, but most his at-bats to start the year were inconsistent. Maybe with more of his regular at-bats he’s getting lately, he might improve.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 8, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT UZR IS USELESS GRANT!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pushing Nate’s bat to the bench for the stretch run wouldn’t be a bad thing, especially since he has excelled all year as a pinch-hitter.
Next year Right Field will be all Nate’s regardless because Winn isn’t coming back
by OTTOMATIC on Aug 7, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
You make a great point here in noting the value of Nate’s pinch-hitting prowess. We don’t really have anyone on the bench who’s remotely intimidating. Having a solid starter + a solid bench would really help to solidify this team.
by GrooveGiant on Aug 7, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t have anyone in the starting lineup who’s remotely intimidating either.
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 7, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Predictions
I say Mariners
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 2:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baggs signal?!?!?
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Aug 7, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and whatever happend to Senor Vegas?
Wasn’t he our inside man?
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Batman, I have no idea what Andrew Baggarly looks like, but I’m very familiar with his work
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only he would post here…at least not anonymously.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally I think it’s either the Tigers or the White Sox. Both GMs are crazy enough to take on that contract.
Other than those 2, the NL team that immediately comes to mind is the Mets. I doubt it falls to the Giants.
by jctGamer on Aug 7, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Tigers are an intriguing possibility, but I don’t think the White Sox can take on that much salary. Don’t forget they just took on $2.6M in salary for the rest of this year, and $52M more through the 2012 season, in the Peavy trade with the Pads.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what’s happening on Milwaukee talk radio?
by dogdays on Aug 7, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
4:41pm: Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that the Red Sox didn’t claim Rios, either.
4:39pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears from a high-ranking Mets official that the Mets did not claim Rios. J.P. Ricciardi didn’t get into specifics with MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian and just said it’s normal to place players on waivers.
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
During the last ten days of the trade deadline, I clicked on MLB trade rumors roughly one billion times and the only name I saw linked to Rios was ours. Let’s face it, when Sabean was stupid enough to contemplate Lincecum for Rios, he made it pretty clear that he was a big Rios fan. He makes the most sense for us, and it’s a very realistic possibility that we’re the team that made the claim. Of course that doesn’t mean that just because he fits with us better than with anyone else, that another GM didn’t put in the claim ahead of us.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 2:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i could see it being us. randy winn will come off the books next year. maybe the white sox
by justhangin on Aug 7, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and he would probably get thru waivers.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not only Winn, but Molina and Randy Johnson as well. Of course they’ll be some increases too, as Freddy Sanchez will be in line for about 8 million. However, if you sign Rios, you’ve basically created a team that really needs no significant trades or FA upgrades during the offseason, or next several offseasons for that matter if their minor league prospects are for real.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Timmy going to arbitration. He will recieve a record award
by Bryappie on Aug 7, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most arb experts believe it will be aound $10M +/- $500K for one year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 7 at 4:41pm CST]
4:41pm: Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports that the Red Sox didn’t claim Rios, either.
4:39pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears from a high-ranking Mets official that the Mets did not claim Rios. J.P. Ricciardi didn’t get into specifics with MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian and just said it’s normal to place players on waivers.
by GiantEscape on Aug 7, 2009 3:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is like brand name vs. generic brand
Nate will give us the same production for a cheap cheap price. Everyone is going gaga for Rios b/c of that breakout season he had couple years ago.
If this offseason was any indication, corner outfielders are a cheap commodity. Why overpay for an average player. You invest that kind of money in a middle of the lineup hitter with some pop.
How many times have we complained we can’t get someone good b/c of the Zito’s contract? We’ll have 2 contracts like that, and we will be getting very average production from those two. Save the money for the offseason and either go after someone worthwhile or invest it in our own players.
by californianotter on Aug 7, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, but don’t forget that Randy Winn is leaving. There’s no reason why Nate won’t be taking Randy’s place next season. There’s room for him AND Rios on this team.
Proud new dad of Edgardo errr Edgar Renteria!!!
by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there’s room for Winn, Nate and Rios this year too. A Nate/Winn platoon looks pretty good.
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again......
Who’s going to hit on the right side of the plate? Winn? You’re joking, right?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 7, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate can hit lefties well.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 7, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again.....
look at Nate’s splits
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 7, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just very hesitant about spending that kind of money on a very average OF.
The 28-year-old Rios is batting .261 with 12 homers and 58 RBIs this season. He has never had an OPS higher than .865, and currently has an OPS of .728.
Rios is making $5.9 million this season, and he is set to earn salaries of $9.7 million in 2010, $12 million in 2011, $12 million in 2012, $12.5 million in 2013 and $12.5 million in 2014.
The Jays hold a club option on Rios of $13.5 million for 2015, with a $1 million buyout.
There are players worth spending money on and Rios is not one of them. I’ve been burned by Giants being saddled with very bad contracts, which the Giants always point out when they can’t get a player.
by californianotter on Aug 7, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+101
Rios would be nice if he was signed only through 2010 or 11, but to tie us down for 5.33 years is just insane. Even before this season, the Jays have been desperate to get rid of this contract, and they thought that they would contend for the pennant this year, so why should we take it on? We should learn our lesson with the Zito and Rowand long-term deals and move on. Besides, the salaries for all veteran non-superstar players will continue to drop after this season. No players other than the superstars are getting contracts for > 3 years, and Rios is not, and has never been, a superstar. Why do you think young prospects are in such demand? All but the biggest market teams will continue to dump salary in the offseason. Did you just see the report that Cleveland will lose > $10M this year? That won’t be a one-off deal this year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally agree, but context is important here.
1) This winter’s free agency crop is terrible, almost historically so. If Rios were a free agent this winter, I guarantee you he’d make even more than his current contract calls for, just because he’s head-and-shoulders better than everyone else on the market. If you want a solid good player under the age of 32 this winter, you’ll have to trade for one.
2) Teams that are dumping salary are demanding prospects in return, as we recently became aware.
3) Waivers are therefore the only way to add a pretty good player without giving up talent in return.
I’m not saying I’d love our trying to claim… I can just at least make an argument for it. We want to compete in these next couple years, and we’re probably one outfielder short, at least, if we want to do that. Rios should fill a slot well for a couple years. He may well tail off towards the end of this contract, but the raises in it aren’t steep… if free agency normalizes once the economy does, the tail end of his contract shouldn’t be backbreaking.
It’s not a no-brainer. Our funds are not limitless, and if this would make keeping Timmy and Cain harder, then forget it. But we need some more talent, and free agency isn’t going to give it to us anytime soon. This might – might – be worth the risk.
by onlxn on Aug 7, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I do agree that he’d get a bit more per season if he was a FA this offseason, but I strongly disagree that he’d get a 5 year deal (unless he was willing to sign for less than $8M per year). I think the most he would be get would be 3 years (with a possible club option for a 4th year), and rightly so, since he’s not enough of a difference-maker to command longer terms. This winter’s FA crop is poor, but not at the top end for OF’s. Jason Bay and Matt Holliday (and possibly ManRam) will get top $$ and years, and Rios would be left fighting over a mid-level contract with the likes of Nady, Abreu, Mike Cameron, and Johnny Damon.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rios were a free agent this winter, I guarantee you he’d make even more than his current contract calls for
We’ll see. I really think we’re going to see an epic decline in the pay scale this off-season.
by Evan on Aug 7, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys are really overvaluing Nate.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A glaring one.
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Aug 8, 2009 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/swings at pitch that hits him
//swings at pitch that hits him AGAIN
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 7, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/hasn’t swung at one since
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 7, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because Rios has established himself in the majors already, a guy who can steal bases, hit for decent power, and play a good OF. Isn’t this pretty much Nate’s ceiling? Yeah, his stats look pretty good this year, but (1) SSS, and (2) The book on him has yet to be made for pitchers. I think an absolute best-case scenario for Nate would be Rios’s career averages. Plus, like jctGamer said, he’s developed in the Giants’ farm system, which has a tough time producing good hitters with plate discipline.
Would it be a big contract? There’s no doubting that. But $9-12 million is not unreasonable for an above average player, which is what Rios is. This conversation, to me, is the epitomy of Giants fans overvaluing prospects in relation to established players.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, I just stopped going to MLBTR every 10 minutes!
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 7, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this is why we need rios
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=neel/060406_qa&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1
5 paragraphs down:
One of the players I’ll always gamble on is Alex Rios. Not because of his numbers, but because of the following story: Back in 2003 when he was playing for Caguas in the Puerto Rican winter league, Rios had a day off. In the late innings of a close game, he plopped down in the dugout with a giant hunk of chocolate cake and, to wash it down, a two-liter of warm Pepsi. Rios had just about finished this meal when his teammates loaded the bases and his manager called him up to pinch-hit. Rios burped, grabbed a bat, put on a helmet, burped some more, walked to the plate and cracked a double. For some reason, this makes me want him on my team.
by Gnomercy on Aug 7, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this makes me want cake
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 7, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another guy with a poor diet?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 7, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s pretty funny
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I was so worried when that happened.
by scout6 on Aug 7, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt! i couldn’t stand it if panda preferred cake over PIE
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by ringleader3 on Aug 7, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IF HE ATE PIE HE WOULD HAVE HIT IT OUT OF THE PARK
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by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/ Came in to say this. Damn You satyricrash !!
//shakes fist
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by nvsfg on Aug 7, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he’ll eat half of Panda’s food, that’s money
by justhangin on Aug 7, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’re pretty deep at that position.
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by Josh from Hollywood on Aug 7, 2009 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have been with you if it were pie.
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by jhiat00 on Aug 7, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This now becomes a question of who is more off his rocker… Sabes or Kenny Williams? I’m scared to guess.
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by beat_la_25 on Aug 7, 2009 3:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also : Rios has a no trade clause, don't forget.
by jctGamer on Aug 7, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the guy slipped all the way to us on waivers and no one else wants him, doesnt that make the no-trade clause superfluous?
by justhangin on Aug 7, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think he would have no problem leaving to go to a contender. He would even get a raise because of the tax situation in Canada.
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by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He instantly becomes Ty Cobb in the NL too
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does a no-trade clause prevent a team from waiving the player and another claiming him?
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
by oldrips on Aug 7, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure the player has no say in this transaction.
by Bryappie on Aug 7, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wrong
The player’s contract is still wholly valid. If Rios has a full no-trade clause then he could scuttle the deal at any time before he reports to the new team. Also, his no-trade clause would follow him to the new team – another reason tor us not to want him.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now if he were DFA’d instead of put on waivers, and he cleared then the Jays would be on the hook for the whole contract, he’d be a FA, and the no-trade clause would be gone. Of course, the Jays would never eat a $62M contract.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios, wtf?
How did he get such a huge contract. Offensively, in the AL, he has had 2, two, too, to, only 2 years over .800 OPS. His best HR year is also the only time he’s hit more than 20, and that was a total of 24. His OBP has never been great.
So…how did this happen? I know his defense is good, but defense plus avg offense is not worth $60 million. Looking at his stats I don’t see ANYTHING that stands out as a better than average player.
Can someone explain?
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad GM is Bad.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
Aaron Rowand: 5 years, $60 million
I’d say considering Rios’ upside, one GMs seems a bit more looney than the other.
by GrooveGiant on Aug 7, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rios vs. Rowand
and the more I look at it, Rios and Rowand have extremely similar numbers:
Alex Rios career: .285/.335/.449
Aaron Rowand career: .283/.342/.452
Add to that the fact that Rios steals bases and is 4 years younger. How on earth did we end up paying Rowand so much money? Especially when we all think Rios is overpriced…
by GrooveGiant on Aug 7, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Err a lot of people on McC think Rowand is overpayed as well. If I had to make a pro-Rowand argument it would be we needed a CF and I’m just glad we didn’t pay that 18+mil to Torii.
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by SeeingStars on Aug 7, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would Rios be overpriced if he put up those numbers playing CF full time?
by Hobbes2d on Aug 7, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the blue jays have some bad contracts (see Vernon Wells) but im not sure giants fans are in a position to mock anyone. the first contact we receive from the SETI Project may be aliens laughing at our zito contract
by justhangin on Aug 7, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not mocking. Just really confused how he got such a huge contract when he hadn’t really done anything.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s been worth more (and considerably so on occasion) than his contract is paying him for the last three years.
$12M is equivalent to a 2.5 WAR player & Rios has been worth 3.3, 4.6 and 5.5 WAR the last three seasons. So it’s pretty easy to see why he was given such a large contract.
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by GiantFan on Aug 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah. Advanced stats. I also found something on some other site that showed his defense which is pretty darned good.
Still, I don’t think we need him. Let the young guys play.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty skeptical about the whole thing for a number of reasons:
a) We’re very low in the pecking order for him & so there’s a decent chance the team is someone higher than us.
b) As much as Toronto may be happy to get rid of his contract, i’m very doubtful that they’ll let him leave for nothing.
c) Baggs apparently enquired about whether we’d be interested in Rios and was told that the money would be prohibative.
If it is true then i’m fine with claiming him and taking his contract if they decide to just him go (very doubtful) but i wouldn’t be interested in trading anything for him.
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by GiantFan on Aug 7, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be… okay with this, I think? No better than okay, but okay.
1) If you’ve been looking for the guy who still doesn’t believe in Nate, you found him! It’s me! Eight walks + forty strikeouts + middling power /= starting corner outfielder. No hate, Nate, but we can and should do better.
2) The pickings in free agency this winter are hideously assy.
We’re clearly looking to compete next year and thereafter… we’ll probably need at least one more solid outfielder to do that, and that won’t be easy to find. I wouldn’t love to take on a big contract for a non-impact bat, and the last couple years might be ugly, but there’s a fit here.
Probably not us anyway, but if it is, fair enough. We entered a competitive window faster than we expected to. I’d be okay with the organization taking big steps to acknowledge that.
by onlxn on Aug 7, 2009 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Bleacher Report a reputable source? They are speculating that it’s the Giants that claimed Rios. It seems as though their headline is misleading though. LINK
Apologies if this has already been posted or if this source is bs.
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by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You beat me this time, SF Pete, but next time I’ll be quicker!
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, everyone is commenting on your post.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bleacher Report is never a reputable source.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
by groug on Aug 7, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They “broke” the infamous “George Lucas is going to buy the Warriors” post.
Wait, that didn’t happen?
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Aug 7, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UIhhh... what to make of this?
wtf?
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not a report
It’s speculation
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 7, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the impression that what that article is really saying is: What if the Giants are the team that gets Rios?
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 7, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the writer of that article is a 16 year old
by superk1ng on Aug 7, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol! SSS
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by ringleader3 on Aug 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he a Dominican?
At 16 we can sign international free agents!
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are one of the best teams in baseball
Straight from that article. I like it, I am a big Rios fan and would love to see him patrol right field.
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by RDreamer on Aug 7, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that report is bullshit
we never offered them lincecum or even cain. we DECLINED their offer of rios for cain. and rightly so.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 7, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought we did offer timmy
but not cain
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it always was Tornoto wanted Timmy and Sabes said NO and everyone freaked out because Sabes didn’t cover his ears and go LA-LA-LA-LA at such a ridiculous request.
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by satyricrash on Aug 7, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes toronto wanted lincecum we said no
then they wanted cain and we said no
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 7, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is going to have to go in a FAQ. Sabean strongly considered making a Lincecum/Rios swap, but he eventually declined. Here’s an article with Sabean quotes, and here’s a KNBR interview in which Sabean talks openly about the trade and says that Toronto wanted Lincecum, not Cain.
by Grant on Aug 7, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF is this?
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we get Rios without giving anything up
I will gladly join the church of “IT’S NOT MY MONEY”.
P.S. SUCK IT RUSSEL MARTIN
by otis29 on Aug 7, 2009 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think some guy on sportscenter just suggested we pick up Giambi. can he hit anything?
by justhangin on Aug 7, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
GIANTS RELATED TO JASON GIAMBI
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by monta101 on Aug 7, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Oakland, the door hits you.
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by nvsfg on Aug 7, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont let the door hit you in the thong on your way out
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are morons for the most part
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
at first he kept saying how he’d be a perfect fit because he can stay in the bay area..then they switched to whatever highlights they could find of Giambi from this year…while the dude was only talking about Ishi’s production.
It literally seemed like somewhere in there they mentioned Garko to him, and when they cut back to him after the highlights, he said like one sentence about how Giambi could fit in with Garko.
Pretty ridiculous
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 7, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because they only focus on the east
And are basically clueless of what goes on in the West
by gvp914 on Aug 7, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it when people twitter shit like "i have no idea"
http://twitter.com/injuryexpert/status/3183784975
WTF why even bother
by jctGamer on Aug 7, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he was probably getting spammed q’s from sox fans so that was his way to shut them up…i’m sure baggs is going thru the same thing on twitter right now lol
by Gnomercy on Aug 7, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
rios is in the blue jays lineup tonight...
don’t know what that means
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 7, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It means he is still a Blue Jay
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by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It means he is a blue jay.
Note: the waiver thing just means he was claimed off waivers by another team. It is up to Toronto to decide whether to trade him, let him go, or keep him (which is probably what they will do if 1 and 2 don’t work out.)
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what happens to the waiver claim if Rios gets injured? Would the claiming team be stuck with him?
by KrazyKrabMeat on Aug 7, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm.. I don’t know but can guess: the team that claimed him is stuck with him if the Jays let him go. If he gets injured and then let go, I can’t see the claiming team being forced to keep him. There is likely a clause in the waiver rules that prevents this.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing about injuries in this link, but at least it has the basic rules.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 7, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why wouldn’t they play him? They have 72 hours to work out a trade. The only reason to not play him is if they’ve worked out a trade already and I really think it’s going to be a game of chicken between the Jays and the team that claimed him.
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by rxmeister on Aug 7, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A game of chicken? That doesn’t sound good if it is indeed a Brian Sabean.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 7, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
do chickens even have tires to kick?
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by ringleader3 on Aug 7, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
instead of don't know what that means i should have written:
“for whatever it’s worth”
mainly, it appears nothing is imminent,
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 7, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if we did put in a claim, others can also put in a claim and we’re just about the last team in the pecking order
by justhangin on Aug 7, 2009 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
HOT INFO!!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Aug 7, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rajai Davis is on the A’s now.
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"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 7, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
by delorean on Aug 7, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
How in tarnation am I supposed to watch the Real Madrid game and constantly check the internet for Rios news at the same time?
I better not be getting my hopes up for nothing. In other news, in MLB 09 The Show I just traded Aaron Rowand and John Bowker for Chris Davis, then flipped him to Cincinnatti for Joey Votto. Score!
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
greg rushton and wes krukow from mvp 05 > all
by Gnomercy on Aug 7, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wes krukow
was awesome…ran dingerz.exe for me
by kezargiants on Aug 7, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahaha... From MLBTR comments:
How about a three team trade.
Giants get Alex Rios, whom they’ve always coveted (see Lincecum or Cain rumors in the past..)
White Sox get Aaron Rowand, who they loved in the past and have shown some interest in.
Blue Jays get to shed payroll.
Heeey, wait a minute…
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 7, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
the White Sox gets Rowand for nothing? Hehehe. Plus, Rowand would have to clear waivers too.
Everybody loves money
by fwoty oz on Aug 7, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he has
Hmmmm….
The White Sox wouldn’t get Rowand for nothing, I think that contract comes along with him. ;)
by otis29 on Aug 7, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Science
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 7, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's no fun. :(
Proud member of the Adopt-a-Giant program (Aaron Rowand)
by antinous on Aug 7, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just gonna post that.
Argh.
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Aug 7, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Also, because Rios is signed for another $60 million through 2013,
I can’t believe that Schulman made the mistake of getting Rios’s contract terms wrong. To set the record straight, Rios is signed through 2014, for another ~ $61.7M. I thought it was only us bloggers typing away in our parent’s basement in our pj’s that made simple mistakes like that!
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do not want
Rios will make this team worse this season unless Sabean trades Molina for him.
Eugenio "Skinny Panda" Velez post All Star OPS 1.079
by cybermaldonado on Aug 7, 2009 4:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i suggest we go with a "no catcher" approach
and just put the backstop closer in. all hitters do is swing and miss and our stuff anyways!
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 7, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re just dumb if you think that. How does a league-average OF at worst make this a worse team?
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 7, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love it if the A’s claimed him. It would be the perfect capper to a season where nothing they’ve done has made any sense whatsoever.
by Bay Area Sports Guy on Aug 7, 2009 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rumors....
Orioles announcer Gary Thorne stated that media rumors abound about White Sox/Rios
by DrJ Funk Master Deluxe 3000 on Aug 7, 2009 4:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A 2nd team has put in a claim on Rios
Buster Olney just reported on ESPN that a 2nd team has claimed Rios now! LOL – in the same conversation Eddie Perez stated that the Jays will ask for a bunch of prospects for Rios. Olney looked almost incredulous because he had just made the case for the Jays being lucky just to shed the contract, and that Rios was hugely overpaid for his position considering the recent contracts for OF’s.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 7:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Eduardo Perez!
LOL x 2! In the midnight broadcast (9 on the west coast) Perez repeated his shameless plugging for the greatness of Rios. He once again stated the Jays should get players back in a trade, and that “the sky’s the limit” for Rios and his career.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add that Olney and Orestes Destrada both stated that it was a horrible contract and that the Jays sould be glad just to get rid of Rios – the money saved could be used to make a run at re-signing Halladay.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 7, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since we're nearing "the end of the day"
/Tire kick
/Due Diligence
Rafael Rodriguez: #8 on our list, tearing up Scottsdale, and has been alive long enough to see the Warriors make the playoffs once.
by BrianBokake on Aug 8, 2009 7:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Asked a friend of mine who is a huge Jays fan (and worked for them at one point) what would the fan base do if they got rid of him for nothing. Her reaction? “Eh. No one cares much at this point, since we had our hearts ripped out already by April and May and Halliday and we’ve all wanted Riccardi out anyway, so anything he does now is just gravy on his grave.”
There’s another, more interesting point that hasn’t been raised here.
If Riccardi does pull the trigger and dump this contract to the White Sox – which he should – would the White Sox in turn try to move Dye? That’s where I think the Giants are more likely to come in…
by HaroldS on Aug 9, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If-if-the White Sox claim Rios he will likely play center for them. It doesn’t make a lot of sense for them to dump Dye for nothing when they have DeWayne Wise starting in the OF. And if Dye is DFA’d we still be 3rd to last in line to get him. I just hope we claimed Rios and nobody else did.
Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us
by MadBum on Aug 9, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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