Sabean bears the ultimate responsibility for this, because he approves/hires the coaches and signs/trades for the players. It’s obvious this won’t change until Sabean is gone. The Giants have always been bad at this during Sabean’s reign, if not for Bonds and 1 or 2 others bringing their patient eyes with them from their original teams we’d have been abominable. I pray that Neukom doesn’t get sucked-in by our current surprising results and extend Sabean’s contract in the offseason (for this and many other reasons).

The saddest part about it is that our hitters have been so unsuccesful hitting for average or slugging while not being selective. If not for Panda we’d have the worst offense in the league for each of the past 3 years. If you’re not doing well swinging at every pitch, wouldn’t anybody with half a brain try the opposite approach, if only to see if it helps? Even if you don’t care about trying to help the team out by tiring out the opposing pitcher quicker and letting your teammates see more pitches, wouldn’t you want to do something different to improve your own stats if only to help yourself get a better salary?

Is he at every home game? I have only seen him a few times.

WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE EITHER/OR

I like being aggressive in certain situations, but being aggressive should not mean that you’ve decided to swing before you see the pitch. It does not mean that in double play situations with a sinkerballer on the mound you go up hacking at the first pitch no matter what it is (likely to be a sinker tailored to induce a GIDP). It doesn’t mean swinging 3-0 or just swinging at the first pitch, especially when you’re facing a guy you’ve never faced before.

Aggressiveness needs to be dictated by the game situation (including the count) the hitter and the pitcher on the mound. It means when the count is 3-1 or 2-0, you sit fastball and if you get it, take a huge rip. it doesn’t mean that you swing 3-1 or 2-0 no matter what the pitch is. It means that if Daniel Cabrera has walked 6 guys in a row without throwing a strike, you don’t go up hacking at the first pitch, BENGIE.

I’m simply amazed at this team’s lack of plate discipline. I’ve never seen anything like it in 20+ years of watching the Giants and baseball in general. But it’s not just lack of discipline. It’s the utter contempt for it.

For a team that needs to rely on situational baseball to win games, this team sure does a horrible job at the most fundamental aspect of it.

But Dunston isn’t the hitting coach, so he needs to shut the fuck up.

With 2 coaches preaching completely opposite approaches the Giants hitters are probably confused as hell.
Duston needs to gtfo. I blame Bochy for allowing this in the clubhouse.

D-Backs have the new mantra “organizational advocacy”. A big part of that is having consistency of message from top to bottom of the organization. I know “organizational advocacy” sounds really dumb – that is until one looks at the Giants and sees exactly what a club without a plan looks like.

 So, I guess it’s really the Giant’s front office to blame. I’m not even ready to blame Sabean here: I think this comes from lack of consistency even higher up in the organization .

I’m not sure I understand the mailman quote.

and I believe Bengie Molina said that “if it can roll to the backstop, it can be swung at.”

He never walked. All Cliff did was drink beer at Cheer’s all day and night.

Billy Beane: career .246 OBP.

I like this terminology.

He’s probably the one who helped Zito find those extra 2 MPH.