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Oakland A's fan getting tazed by police who are, at the same time, knocking innocent bystanders down stairs.

At least he didn't get shot in the back. Is it necessary for police to gang up on a belligerent drunk and taze him?

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Okay no that was completely unnecessary. Looked like he was resisting arrest, but he wasn’t acting violent towards anyone.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 6, 2009 11:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Disgusting

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by say hey nation on Aug 6, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I was there. It was definitely interesting seeing that at a ballgame. More exciting than what was happening on the field though, that’s for sure.

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by heimy25 on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

That was awful. I mean he was being a douche but that’s no reason to taze him, damn.

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by jponry on Aug 6, 2009 12:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Did any of you read the description?

In all fairness to the OPD: there’s a ramp-up that you don’t see on the tape. Even though the guy shows his ticket, I don’t think that’s his seat. He came over a little earlier, super drunk. He wasn’t angry really, just obnoxious – hollering and making a scene. He was downing all these little bottles of vodka, and started harassing the kids behind him. A’s security came to check him out when he started yelling profanities.

When security told him to cool it, he got really belligerent. Started using racial epithets at the guards, etc. They told him to leave. He refused. They called in the cops. You see the rest of it.

Whether or not the tazing was necessary/appropriate, people will certainly disagree. The one thing I can tell you for sure is that this guy had no intention of leaving calmly on his own.

Sure, the bystander didn’t deserve getting shoved, but come on.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Aug 6, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

3 cops were on hand and so was a handful of security. You mean all of them couldn’t drag him out? You see it all the time in this place. Tazing a guy in the back should have been a last resort.

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by SoFa King Mike on Aug 6, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Tazering is considered “non-lethal” but it can be rather aggressive. Tazer guns give police a false since of power they shouldn’t have

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by say hey nation on Aug 6, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tasering is responsible for a not-significant number of deaths in the US per year.

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by jponry on Aug 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

*not-unsignificant

oops

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by jponry on Aug 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

suck it, Russell Martin jersey guy!

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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm, if they had tried to pull him out, they would’ve been sued for “beating” or “abuse” or whatever the man wanted. And in our sue-happy society, he would’ve won.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Aug 6, 2009 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

the heat seeking foul ball was a nice bonus…

Seriously though, there’s a hand full of seconds that elapse between the first taser shot that failed and the final zap to the back. The cop that was monkeying around with his toy could have, instead, assisted the other officers in restraining him.

Too bad the cops watching the parking lots lack this enthusiasm.

by KrazyKrabMeat on Aug 6, 2009 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I know some A's fans that deserve tazing as well, but for different reasons....

I might be in the minority on this point of view here, but when a cop says move, you should move, and you definitely shouldn’t mouth off (I had a client that got himself and his girlfriend tazed and beaten by several cops for telling one of them to fuck himself after being told to go inside a bar…10-15 minutes later and without further provocation. They were both left with permanent scars and injuries.)

If you don’t and you’re an asshole about it, you really shouldn’t be surprised if something bad happens to you, even if you are totally 100% right in the first instance. As we’ve all seen, cops can lose it (and/or make mistakes) and you don’t want to be the instigator if/when they go bezerk. It simply isn’t worth it.

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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 6, 2009 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Defently do what a cop asks, but to not do it (and not putting anyone in harms way while not doing it) doesn’t give a cop a right to harm you

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by say hey nation on Aug 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, but to be fair, lots of cops know fellow officers who are injured or killed in seemingly benign situations. I know someone who died at a routine traffic stop – pulled over a drug dealer and didn’t know it. So they approach every situation like it’s potentially lethal. Which is why you should shut up, be polite and generally do what they say.

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by tedfordfan on Aug 6, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially if you’ve done nothing wrong. Just respect them, and you’ll be fine.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Aug 6, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Quick question...

What are the effects of being tazed? Are there any long-term effects?

by ACgiant97 on Aug 6, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Dunno about this site

Link

Never used this site before, but it sounds right. Tasers are safe.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Aug 6, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

It depends on where they strike you, as well.

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by SoFa King Mike on Aug 6, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

No long term effects. In most cities, they make police officers get tazed before they can be issued one so they know the real-life effects. My friend went through it, she said it does suck real bad but she felt normal within a few minutes

by m34josh on Aug 6, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

5,000-word rant summarized

Try not to piss off the police. They have a shitty job.

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by ResDog on Aug 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT reply actions  

The Oakland PD did not need this on the heels of the Bart shooting

However I am a firm believer of “do what the police told you to do.”

Think about it in this case, what if the Police tried to remove him by force and was punched in the eye and lost vision? Would we be contemplating “boy they should have just tazed him?”

by jctGamer on Aug 6, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

the guy who got shoved

was the victim of the “ghost” shove ala manu ginobili. when everyone was told to move away he walks right up to the situation with a camera to the guys face. police put a hand on him to back up, a’s staff gets between them and the guy pulls the staff member back with him to sell the shove. best part is when he yells “dont push me!” a fan goes to brace him and he actually does lose him balance over him and almost falls lol

as for the police, the one that tazed him was acting definitely doing that on his own because the current of it passes perfectly to anyone touching the person whom the needles hit. the other officers at the time were trying to cuff him and im sure were like wtf u doing to the officer in the back. you can see them take a few steps back right away. so yah its that officers bad

by Gnomercy on Aug 6, 2009 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

all pd have to be tased/sprayed in order to carry a taser or pepper spray on duty but its pointless if they are still gonna be that reckless with them

by Gnomercy on Aug 6, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

His stumble reminded me of when Little Mac knocks out Glass Joe

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by SoFa King Mike on Aug 6, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cops have a shitty job....

And they also get paid out the ASS to do it. Give me a fuckin break…

by FairweatherFan on Aug 6, 2009 3:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t call $69k starting to be an oakland cop “paid out the ass”. Thats what the recruiting sign on 880 said at least

by m34josh on Aug 6, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many jobs start you out at $69K, though? How many people working can expect to see that kind of yearly salary?

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 6, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many people put their lives on the line every time they work?

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Aug 6, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying the duties aren’t worth the money. But looking at $69K from my perspective, that looks like a heck of a lot of money.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 6, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you driven around Oakland much? Maybe a wrong turn onto international blvd or san pablo by accident? And those aren’t the worst areas. Any job that requires a bulletproof vest and getting out of the car in that area should pay a lot more than $69k. Garbage men make that and barely have to get out of the truck anymore

by m34josh on Aug 6, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeha, but garbagemen have to go there to and they don’t get any vests.

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by groug on Aug 6, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why yes, I live in a bubble and wear a helmet and gawk at the people going by me without bubbles or helmets.

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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 6, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

A lot of money for anyone, really. But they earn it, and only a few are able to carry out the job effectively, due to the mental stress and ability to do the job.

Insanity is just a state of mind.

by KTJ on Aug 6, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

oakland pd does not normally accept anyone fresh out the academy. typically its transfers from other police departments. so yes its a starting salary but its meant for officers with 3 plus years of experience.

most “rookies” start out in places like burlingame

by Gnomercy on Aug 6, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

So they leave work in Burlingame making $65k/year to work in Oakland? Seems like a rough trade if you ask me

http://www.burlingame.org/Index.aspx?page=756

by m34josh on Aug 7, 2009 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I’ll pass on that one

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by CB30 on Aug 6, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

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