Bye Tim A
by jpo on Aug 3, 2009 2:00 AM PDT
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I'm not upset at all that the Giants gave away one of their top pitching prospects because it requires a major league talent to get a major league talent. There was no way the Giants would be able to get a player like Sanchez for a non-premium prospect. With that said I also believe that the way Tim Alderson delivers pitches will result in him experiencing some pretty serious arm problems down the road. Tim A is pretty much all arm in his delivery and just uses his length and arm speed to deliver the ball rather than using his legs more to help drive himself to the plate when delivering the ball. His mechanics are very suspect and the amount of stress he is putting on his arm as a result of these mechanics raised my eyebrows when I saw him throw in a couple games this season. Plus the Giants have a good farm system once again so we have plenty of pitching throughout the system. Besides if Alderson was such a phenom he would be in the major leagues by now.
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the MLB Network guys said the same thing
They broke down his delivery a few days ago and they talked about how he puts A LOT of stress on his arm. I don’t know much about pitching mechanics so its hard for me to repeat all the technical stuff they said but Mitch Williams, in particular, didn’t like his delivery at all.
I know another dude named Tim whose arm action really ought to result in his arm being summarily ejected from its’ socket every time he hurls the ball. That said, Alderson’s ceiling is low because of a lack of raw stuff and, though his control makes him likely to become a productive major leaguer, I just don’t see him ending up as a top-of-the-rotation guy. I think we overpaid slightly but this move will turn out all right.
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they actually broke down both of their mechanics in the past couple days
If you switched over to MLB Network after the game saturday night, they talked a lot about what he does mechanically, but I don’t really know enough about the subject to be able to repeat what they said.
Alderson they broke down a few days before that. It was Mitch Williams(and Dan Plesac also I think) that immediately pointed how he uses mostly arm in his throwing motion and he’ll probably need to change it to alleviate the amount of stress he’s putting on his arm. I’m not trying to knock the guy just because we traded him, it’s just something that caught my eye when they were talking about the Alderson trade on MLB Network.
I know another dude named Tim whose arm action really ought to result in his arm being summarily ejected from its’ socket every time he hurls the ball.
From what I know of pitching mechanics, I’d say Lincecum’s delivery is just the opposite of Alderson’s in that it’s designed to generate more power from his body and put less stress on his arm.
The thing that’s amazing about Lincecum’s delivery is that he’s able to repeat it on a consistent basis and control it.
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if you remember back in the day, Sabean made the decision to jettison a bunch of his young prospects who he thought would get hurt because of their deliveries. He turned out to be right about most of them, although Scott Linebrink came back to eventually become a good pitcher. Perhaps they came to this conclusion about Alderson as well.
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are you referring to the Sidney Ponson trade in which we gave up Damian Moss and Kurt Ainsworth?
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 3, 2009 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
i agree with this.
completely. it has been stated in many outlets and it’s obvious that lincecum uses his whole body to generate velocity and his stride length is is 1.5 times his height which is something that rick peterson used to emphasize when he had hudson, mulder, and zito. alderson doesn’t even stride 1 body length nor does he have the same hip and shoulder rotation.
Not jponry.
My worry isn't Alderson's arm...
…it’s his knee.
Lincecum’s motion works because it’s all about momentum and things working together, not against each other. For Alderson, the way he’s been planting his foot causes his knee to lock as he comes down, and he seems to push his entire body against it. I’d worry a knee injury could end his career. And that stoppage of his momentum may also be the cause of his loss of velocity, it would not surprise me at all.
I’m not one to hate on unusual mechanics (I loved watching Adam Cowart pitch), but yea, this one was a bit too much for me to not worry about.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 3, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say he's all arm
As for the comparison to lincecum- it’s true that his delivery is very different (more jerky, not smooth and graceful) but they do share an aggressive stepover, which means both use their legs. Not saying I’m a huge fan of Alderson or his delivery, just that he’s not really all arm.
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Lets wish him well anyway...
And I hope his trade doesn’t dampen our ability to sign his friend and former catcher (who we drafted this year out of high school).
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Besides if Alderson was such a phenom he would be in the major leagues by now.
Was this part a joke? If not, it kinda destroy the credibility of everything you said leading up to it.
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I’m guessing not.
And yeah, no kidding.
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By that reasoning why the hell don't we get rid of bumgarner?
If he’s such a phenom, why isn’t he in the majors? Or how about the big V. or Posey for that matter. It seems we have a Freddie Sanchez type of hitter already in our system. He is leading his team, and his double A. league in batting. Mr. Bond that is. It seems like the guy gets two hits a day.
Bond is actually hitting better in the Eastern League than Freddy Sanchez did, and he’s slightly younger than Sanchez was at the time. The knock on Bond seems to be that he his defense is average at best, whereas Sanchez has always been a plus defender. Still, this is one of the reasons I hope Sabean does not rush to offer Sanchez a long-term deal, because they may already have a cheap equivalent in Connecticut who should be ready in 2011 when Sanchez’ contract is up.
but, but Rick Porcello is in the major leagues right now!!!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 3, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
That K-rate is down to 4.7!!!
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which probably guarantees some sort of major injury at about 23 or 24.
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This isn’t aimed at you Flu, but in general I find this game of “Kick the Timmy on his way out the door” somewhat distasteful.
Wish the kid well and hope Sanchez boosts our production. It’s not that hard.
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I wish both he and Barnes. I would like to see both of them make it to the majors
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 3, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Massive reply fail.
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bumgarner
will be in the majors before alderson. and i’m pretty sure you’ll see posey get called up at the end of this season.
Not jponry.
Their first starts in their new organization
IP ER H K BB
Barnes 5 3 8 3 2
Alderson 5.2 1 7 4 1
Alderson got a win, Barnes a no decision.
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Which begs the question....
Why the hell did we draft him in the first place???
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by Mordy From Monsey on Aug 3, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions
So we could trade him for Freddy Sanchez, duh.
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Because that Rick Porcello guy is garbage. Wait a minute…
by Missing Barry on Aug 3, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
because the organization has a reputation for always picking good pitchers. In reality, the organization often dodges the misses by trading them away for some sort of value.
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 3, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
As much as I wanted a position player in this year’s draft, Wheeler’s selection made the loss of Alderson easier to swallow. Obviously he hasn’t done anything yet, but it’ll be fun to see how he plays and progresses in the coming years
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I’m sure this has already been mentioned around here, but Keith Law made a top 10 list of the prospects traded at the deadline this year. He ranks Alderson 9th.
Bumgarner then Wheeler then a lot of very young arms with upside and a ton of relievers.
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that compares pretty favorably to a lot of organizations
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 3, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
true, but I wouldn’t call that deep… especially not for starting pitching.
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Yeah, when you’re 2nd guy on the list isn’t even in the organization yet, that’s not such a great thing.
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relief prospects are almost never really prospects.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
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