Poll: What should we do with Bochy and Sabean?
by Yoyo on Aug 27, 2009 10:19 AM PDT
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PrintWe've debated over this for a long time, but I'd like to get a collective McCoven opinion on this. Should we retain Bochy and Sabean after this year? Not WILL we - SHOULD we?
Some thoughts to consider:
- We were projected to go .500 this year, and we are currently 69-58 (.543). We are coming off of four losing seasons. Since Sabean became GM in 1997, the Giants have had 8 winning seasons in 12 years. We play in a medium market in which we can afford to have a bigger payroll than any other NL West team besides the Bums.
- Sabean does not appear to follow any form of sabermetrics. Sabean has done well through the draft in recent years (Timmy, Cain, Panda) and horribly in free agent contracts (Zito, Rowand, Rent). His trades appear to be average, with some good ones (like for Jeff Kent) and some bad ones (like for A.J. Pierzynski)
- Bochy appears to be much better at managing the bullpen (last week aside) than the lineup. With the help (or harm) of Sabean's roster changes, the Giants have MLB's 2nd-worst OBP and the best pitching staff in both WHIP and ERA.
Consider that if we were to replace either Bochy or Sabean, we would replace them with an average manager or general manager, respectively. Should we extend them, replace one of them, or fire both of them? If we put an average manager in Bochy's place, would he do better than Bochy? If we put an average GM in Sabean's place, would he do better?
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Get rid of both. One has no clue how to manage a game. The other has no clue how to evaluate talent. Match made in …
by positiveuphemism on Aug 27, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions
this
Bochy definitely needs to go. He does not know how to manage and develop young players. He is way too dedicated to veterans to bring this young team where it needs to go.
I go back and forth on Sabean, though (TWSS, har har). He has made too many poor moves, IMO, to keep his job, and it feels like every offseason he pulls out a terrible signing that handcuffs the team from potentially signing someone else.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 27, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I would prefer to fire them both, but I’m pretty sure they’ll both be retained.
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Yup
I want no part of either, primarily because the Molina lineup placing shows no understanding whatsoever of how to build an offense. Given the choice of one, I’d prefer Sabean, because I believe a smarter GM can lay down the law to Bochy and hire better coaches (ie, no Shawn Dunston).
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I would prefer to fire them both. But, given that the parameters of the OP were that we would replace both with “average” replacements, I voted to fire Sabean and keep Bochy. I don’t like Bochy, but honestly most managers are traditionalist maroons, so I think replacing him with an average manager would just be churning. Sabean, however, is clearly much worse than average, especially when it comes to evaluating offensive players.
What do you do with a drunken sailor?
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 27, 2009 10:33 AM PDT reply actions
I misclicked on my own poll
FAIL
"I never watched baseball on TV. It's slow and boring. I'm not a fan. Never was." - Jeff Kent
I voted keep 'em both
Sabean’s efforts to turn the direction around is ahead of the schedule I expected. The debate can go on forever, but I’m convinced Magowan’s meddling lead to some of the most egregious ations the team took. (Punting draft piks, Zito)
Bochy drives me bananas with his game management and lineups sometimes, but so did Baker and Alou. He really does seem to be a player’s manager as evidenced by his listening to Wilson when he insisted he was feeling good and could pitch Tuesday. Also, pitching Miller and Medders last night was genius and probably restored their confidence like we’ll never know. That’s the type of thing that gets players to give their all for the team and manager. He may be dull, but it could be argued that his steady calm kept the team from freaking out after Monday’s loss.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
this makes a lot of sense… the other question is who would replace either. I assume Bobby Evans is the heir apparent in the FO and that is fine, but what manager type out there rings your bell? I certainly don’t stay up at night dreaming about Ron Wotus. But I also would never have wanted Jim Tracy and look what he did. I guess sometimes change for the sake of change is good. Now I am really confused!
Fair points...
but I feel like they’re contending despite Sabean. The lineup is pathetic, and while we do have some exciting prospects, there is a whole lot of answering Sabean should have to do for how awful most of the everyday position players are.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 27, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was taken as fact that Magowan was behind most of the policies that turned out wrong. Man masterminded a great ballpark without public money, but the two Barrys (as great as Bonds was, he was the reason for all the aging veterans and trading away youth) were his desires.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
That's BS
Barry was a frigging bargain for this team, every year. The idea that he was a problem is an absurd media created fantasy.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Bonds was a problem in the sense that he made the team so good by himself, that he allowed the front office to be lazy and stupid and still compete.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Yep.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
HE MADE ME STUPID.
STOP HIM BEFORE I DUMB AGAIN
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I don't think he said Barry was the problem
But the FO’s obsession with “winning now” and ignoring the farm system was certainly tied to the window of opportunity they saw while they had Barry.
I think everyone agrees Bonds was a bargain.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
That's fair
But I think Marcello’s response is more dead-on; it allowed the team to make stupid decisions like Michael Tucker. There sheer incompetence was covered up by just how good Barry was.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
What I’m saying is, the attitude that led to signing Barry Zito was the same as the attitude that signed Barry Bonds: get the biggest name and the biggest star available and build around him. Bonds was great, Zito is not, but it’s the same mind and the same hand: Peter Magowan.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t mind when people make the assumption that some moves were the product of pressure by Magowan. However, this does not absolve Sabean of responsibility. Sabean was still the highest ranking baseball person in the organization when these decisions were made, and even if his boss was pressuring him, it’s still his responsibility to bring as much reason and facts into the debate as possible. The fact is, even if a move like Zito was Magowan’s call, Sabean failed miserably at his job with regards to a move like this. Any competent GM would not only see what a huge mistake signing Barry Zito would be, but also realize their offer was so far above everyone else’s offer that they were essentially outbidding themselves. Even once Sabean caved and failed at his job of talking Magowan out of Zito, he compounded the problem by giving Zito $30M more and 2 additional years more than any reported next best offer.
by Missing Barry on Aug 27, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that really how it works? I’ve always thought that an owner makes all the decisions and his managers execute them. I mean, that’s how it works at my father’s company.
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Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
Your father’s company probably isn’t a baseball team. The truth is in sports, most owners don’t know a whole lot about the sport (or any more than your average fan) and leave the team decisions up to the GM, who’s supposed to be an expert in it. The GM, in this case Brian Sabean, isn’t simply a middle manager, he is the top dog when it comes to baseball decisions in the Giants organization. The owner signs off on it for financial reasons, but GM’s are the ones behind baseball decisions. Sometimes owners meddle in their team (see: Angelos, Peter) and it almost always turns out poorly, and I could certainly see Magowan wanting to bring in a “face of the franchise” or whatever, but the GM ultimately has the baseball knowledge and must make the case for or against a decision. In the case of Zito, every single fact pointed to us grossly overpaying for a declining pitcher that likely was overrated to begin with, and in addition to that, star players don’t have an effect on attendance. Maybe an exception like Bonds does, but generally All-star players have 0 effect on attendance – basically winning is what matters – so that’s another fact Sabean should have used to veto the move.
by Missing Barry on Aug 27, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting. I never knew he had that much power. So not all baseball owners are George Steinbrenner?
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Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
I don’t even think Steinbrenner meddles much in his team affairs. All he does is tell his baseball guys (Brian Cashman) that he’ll open the book to go get the best players. I guess maybe he tells Cashman to specifically get CC and Teix, for instance, but they’re pretty obviously the best players on the market, all he’s really saying is he’ll pay whatever to get them. So Steinbrenner is really just in a unique position. Most owners have the top say over finances and budget issues but let the baseball guys (or GM for whatever sport it is) make all the decisions on how to use the money the owner approves.
by Missing Barry on Aug 28, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably depends on when you’re talking about. Steinbrenner did pretty famously wine and dine and sign Reggie Jackson, for instance, without any input at all from Gabe Paul. On the other hand, Paul apparently did win a few top-of-the-voice arguments on other player acquisitions (which may be why he was gone shortly thereafter).
But I think that was mostly a different era. It’s harder to imagine that happening today the way it did in 1977.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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fixed
Sometimes owners meddle in their team (see: Magowan, Peter) and it almost always turns out poorly
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 27, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You make it sound like Sabean should have told Magowan to go eff himself and threatened to quit if he insisted on signing Zito. That’s not realistic in a world where there are only 30 GM jobs and very few openings.
In the real world, sometimes no matter how much you disagree with the boss, they’ll insist on a tactic and you have to execute on it.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Yep.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I voted to fire both.
Or, more accurately, not to re-sign both.
Sabean has drafted well for the past few years, but he’s done poorly in terms of trades (Morris for Rajai being the notable exception) and free-agent signings. I think he could have gotten more back from the talent traded away at the deadline, and I don’t trust him to sign quality free agents in the future. If Sabean is still GM next year, I won’t be terribly upset, but I’d prefer to get in some new blood.
Bochy manages the pitching staff pretty well, so I wouldn’t be angry if he’s around again next season, but really: batting Molina cleanup every fricking game? That’s just dumb. Also, Randy Winn should not be leading the team in at bats when we have other outfielders that deserve playing time.
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FREDEMPTION 2009
Actually, Morris for Rajai may not have been that great. Davis has been doing pretty okay in Oakland from what I’ve seen.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 27, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
and I'm an idiot
because his performance in Oakland has nothing to do with this trade. my bad.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 27, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
What I want to know is
what is Jim Tracy doing with these young Rockies that has them so frisky?
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by KrazyKrabMeat on Aug 27, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno, I want Bochy out but I am afraid of who would replace him. Same with Sabean. So I put no response.
Also there is no “Tar and Feather” option.
"This season is expecting a $10,000 bonus, actually getting $50,000 but then accidentally setting $25,000 of that on fire." - AngelWillSaveUs
I just watched “John Adams”.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Great show. Great man.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes. I hate though how in such biopics, even in miniseries form, decades pass almost in cursory fashion.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. furthermore
I am really familiar with John Adams’s life (I’ve read every major biography of the guy and hundreds of his letters, as well as lots of histories of the Colonial/Revolutionary period to put it all in context), and I was surprised at some of the things that got short shrift, but delighted with the stuff that got good-sized chapters in the miniseries, such as his defense of the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre— one of the greatest examples of living the principles someone espouses even at great possible risk to himself.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That was awesome. And the depiction of the Phony War, although I don’t know enough about Hamilton to know if his portrayal was over-the-top.
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Long ago they came west over the mountains, and I have rooted for them years uncounted; and together through many ages of this world we have fought the long defeat.
According to both Jefferson and Adams in their writings, it wasn't over the top.
I think it is really interesting that both JA and TJ detested AH. It shows what they had in common as far as republican (small ‘r’) values. I have always been puzzled at the level of hate between JA and AH, given that they agreed so much— government has a role to play in improving the lives of ordinary citizens, we were headed toward an urban and manufacturing economy, not the agrarian ideal that TJ talked about (and only lived because of the work of hundreds of slaves), a somewhat stronger central government was essential as an organizational structure than just 13 separate nations who band together for the occasional war, and so on.
But as much crap as JA took for supposedly being a monarchist, his strong dislike of AH was that AH truly was a monarchist (not a hereditary monarchy), and just wanted Washington as king and then permitting Washington to name a successor. JA (and TJ) really saw AH as a threat to a democratic republic. Looking back, I think that was probably a little sensitive on both their parts, but we weren’t there and JA had some exceptionally keen insights into people and process (while certainly having the ability to be impolitic and piss people off himself).
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Tar & Feather sounds nice.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
A better question, perhaps...
What shall we do with a drunken sailor, early in the morning?
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
Fire both
I was a Sabean defender this offseason and earlier in the year, but it seems pretty clear to me that the things this organization does well have little to do with him (specifically drafting). He clearly has no clue how to evaluate major league talent.
Bochy is a fucking moron.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
I would have voted for fire both
But that isnt going to happen. So I voted to fire Bochy
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It is time for Sabean to go. I would keep Bochy on condition that his COACHING STAFF IS FIRED.
I would keep the coaches who are not “his” (Righetti, though I would be fine with his departure, and Wotus, whom I like a lot), and sack Flannery, Dunston, Lansford, and the drummer (whatever the hell the 1b coach’s name is). Bochy isn’t terrible; lineups are supposed to not matter much; he does manage pitchers fairly well; he’s a shrug of the shoulders for me. I’ll shed no tears either way.
Sabean, though, must go. His evaluation of players and strategy of roster management — as well as communicating to his manager a strategy of game play that is likely to win — are poor.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
I like Flannery
He was fan fav growing in San Diego and he’s a cool dude and a very good musician. I think he makes good decisions at 3rd and I love his enthusiasm.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
His decisions at 3rd are usually terrible when it matters.
I am less swayed by musical ability and historical fondness.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m also of the “I’ll shed no tears either way” group with this front office. However, one thing I would probably disagree with you on is with regards to lineups. His refusal to even try a game w/o Bengie at clean-up and the over reliance on struggling veterans are my two biggest gripes about Bork.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
I totally agree about those, but the stat evidence is that over a season, lineups don't matter.
At least, that’s what statpeople™ have said for many years.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it’s not that it doesn’t matter, it’s that it’s just a small difference. Batting Bengie cleanup is pretty bad, and ultimately probably costs 3-5 runs over the course of the season or so. Really not a big deal, but it isn’t nothing, exactly.
by Missing Barry on Aug 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say it costs more than that
Statpeople, as Mayor puts it, think there’s a small difference – but that’s based on non-egregious examples. Batting the worst-baserunner and one of the lowest OBP’s in baseball at 4 is enough of an example to cause significant damage. I’m curious what would have happened if someone ran a sim on this.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I find it hard to believe that the difference is that small. Putting a .270 OBP guy right after your best hitter every day has to cost more than 3-5 runs over the course of the season.
I’d actually be interested in seeing how the math for this calculation is done, if somebody can point me in the right direction.
the difference between the best possible and worst possilbe
where worst possible is like , pitcher leading off is only 8-10 runs or so. The problem is not really the we have a .275 OBP guy batting 4th, it’s that we have one at all. And team him up with 6 <.310 OBP guys.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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So very this.
Close third is an over 30 Vet never has to earn the right to keep his playing time. Not ever.
That’s it! Katie bar the door for this 79 win team is star crossed! And I am loving it.
I’ve had it with Sabes. You got a staff. Tidrow and Evans paid good money, get their names to sign them. You can’t win with the staff you’re given you can’t win shit. You ARE shit. Hit the bricks pal, and beat it, ’cause you are going OUT.
I voted to keep Bochy for the lulz. Seriously, dude might be the funniest manager in the bigs. And, truth be told, I’m of the school of thought that the mgr doesn’t really impact the team all that much.
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 27, 2009 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
'GG GR' references are ALWAYS great.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait to the end of the season
It’s not the best time to discuss this, there’s just been a long discussion about Sabean and i’m sure this subject will be discussed lots in the winter.
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hey guys, let’s discuss this for the first time!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 27, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
Tonight I'm gonna party like it's 19-ninety-9
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 27, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I just want Bochy gone. I could care less about Sabean. Bochy is the worst in game manager I have ever seen. He just needs to dig a hole and bury himself in it.
How could you care less about the GM but you care about the manager? The GM has a huge impact on the team, the manager does not. Plus, I don’t see the hatred towards Bochy. He could do better, sure, but I think he generally manages the pitching staff well, and while his lineup construction drives me crazy, I keep in mind it’s only a matter of a couple of runs over the course of an entire season.
by Missing Barry on Aug 27, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
W.W.T.L.J.D?
As in…What Would Tony La Russa Do? Contract’s up. Tony Animal-Lover is a mercurial BB savant, and he may be itching for that next challenge; in a return to the bay (?).
I see Bobby Evans (player development) & Pat Gillick (mlb roster) former a great duo as well. Pat’s taken developing organizations over the top at least 3 times, by my count.
by sanfranfreakshow on Aug 27, 2009 4:42 PM PDT reply actions
Man, I hate Tony LaRussa. I’ve never understood why he’s considered a great manager. I get that he’s won and all, but I think that can be attributed to having good players. Definitely when it comes to managing pitchers, Bochy is sooooo much better.
I’m not into him, myself, always seemed like he operated an unspoken performance-enhancement regime. And he’s an ass. But, you probably get Duncan out of the deal. Just sayin’, get ready for the schpielers, it cometh…
I earnestly do like the idea of Ron Roenicke, Angels bench coach, however. Strikes me as an uber-Wotus, from outside the organization with a dogged history of winning
by sanfranfreakshow on Aug 27, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry folks, Sabean's definitely coming back.
Look at the way Neukom discusses his willingness to take on new responsibilities (integration into other aspects of the Giants) and willingness to change to do so. That’s the sign of an employer who is happy with an employee.
I do like Neukom’s approach following the Monday game. Far more calm and reasonable than many of the people on here, as it turns out….
Not a given
There are numerous examples of owners giving GMs/managers public votes of confidence and then firing them a few weeks later. And those are often during the season and with muliple years still left on their contract. Sabean and Bochy both have no contract after this season. As for the WSJ column, what was Neukom going to say in that type of an interview? It’s a business paper. He wasn’t going to come out and announce he has all these future plans for upgrades and changes, but none of them include his current GM – in the middle of the season when the team is performing well and in the playoff chase.
I don’t believet that Neuk has made a decision yet either way. If he had, then Sabean would already have a new contract now, and he wouldn’t be dangling. I think Neuk will be true to his word and evaluate Sabes at the end of the season based on the totality of his body of work, and the results. As for Bochy, I believe Neuk will leave that up to the GM, whether it’s Sabean or someone else. He’d want the GM to have his own guy at the helm of the team on the field. That’s another good argument for no decision on Sabes being made yet – if Sabes was a given, then the Bochy contract would have been addressed by now.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Sorry, but I disagree.
I’ve been involved in a number of executive (and non-executive) axings and promotions, and the one thing they all have in common is it is extremely, extremely rare to have someone be successfully integrated into the new boss’ plans and then be told to pack up. That person may not last very long after that if they decide they really don’t like those plans, and there can certainly be conflict after the initial ‘Yessir’ moments, but this was very different than the standard vote of confidence you so often hear out of teams. This was a boss who appreciated his underling’s work.
On the bright side, Neukom was on the radio today and actually was at the SJ Giants game on Monday before coming home to watch the end.
On the other hand, I seem to remember a note in Baggs blog back in the winter sometime when Andy said it looked like Neukom, unlike Magowan, wasn’t going to be very open in his answers. So there could be a fair amount of corporate obfuscation in anything he says to the media.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 27, 2009 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Please elaborate....
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
66 people thus far have voted for one of two options that includes keeping Brian Sabean.
by Missing Barry on Aug 28, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
First he will ask them if they want to stay!
If Bochy wants to stay, and/or Sabean wants to stay, then Neukum can make his assessment, but it is possible that one or the other may not want to stay and manage this team.
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