Brad Penny Discussion
I don't mean to spam, but I'd like to hear some discourse on the idea of signing Brad Penny. I think it makes some sense, but I would like to hear other opinions.
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Nah. Brad Penny is meh. He has great stuff but often pitches like a soft tosser in terms of trying to pitch to contact.
He’s also crazy. I still won’t ever forget the game against the Dodgers a few years ago where Penny had to be taken out of the game (a game he had pitched well up to that point) because he allowed a double to J.T. Snow, and then got pissed that Snow got the hit, actually walked off the mound to yell at Snow, and then did it again when Snow was on 3rd and was bluffing stealing home. Penny then got even more furious when Pedro Feliz drove Snow in. After the inning, Penny came out with a supposed “back injury”. It was quite hilarious. I think he also kicked over a water cooler in the dugout after this, but I might have just imagined that.
He’s also a pretty bad teammate from the sounds of it….
Dodgers third base coach Larry Bowa responded: "You mean the same guy who was never on time, out of shape and has one complete game? He has more stuff to worry about in the A.L. East than me. He has to worry about getting people out. He was never on time, was out of shape and never helped the kids out. Put that on the (expletive) dot-com. Put it in the headline.’’
“He never watched the game (when he was on the DL). Jason Schmidt watched the games. Nomar Garciaparra watched the games. Mark Sweeney watched the games. You go right down the line, everybody who was on the DL watched the games. But not him. He was out of there.’’
What we should have done was acquired John Smoltz.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 27, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseball players can be asses.
He’s better than ‘meh’, he’s been a +2 win pitcher in the AL this year.
Is Brad Penny a guy that I would want to hang out with? Probably not. But he should pitch better than Joe Martinez from here on out.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I don’t know if you read the piece or not, but I’m also just as interested as getting Martinez into the bullpen as a reliever and jettisoning one of Justin Miller or Merkin Valdez.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but I’m also just as interested as getting Martinez into the bullpen as a reliever and jettisoning one of Justin Miller or Merkin Valdez.
this
Thing A
by sam23 on Aug 27, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost all of Penny’s success this year was in the first half though. He’s been pretty bad since the All-Star break.
Is he better than Joe Martinez? Sure. And Penny would be a cheap acquisition, but I just don’t know that he’d be that much better. And I’m not all that sure Martinez is a better option in the pen than Miller or Valdez.
Jim Callis seems to think the Giants are crazy for not promoting Mad Bum to pitch out of the pen and for not promoting Posey, since he’s their best offensive catcher right now. You would think both could make a difference as September call-ups. The Rockies have already promoted some of their guys like Eric Young Jr and Chacin.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 27, 2009 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he better than Joe Martinez? Sure. And Penny would be a cheap acquisition, but I just don’t know that he’d be that much better. And I’m not all that sure Martinez is a better option in the pen than Miller or Valdez.
You don’t think Martinez is better than Merkin “Fastball” Valdez?
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. I think both are pretty crappy. Martinez has no outpitch. And Merkin can’t throw strikes. His fastball, despite the velocity is very straight and easily hittable.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 27, 2009 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The advanced stats seem to like Martinez more, and that’s Martinez’s starting numbers vs. Merkin’s relief numbers.
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Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what happened to the youth movement? All out the window because we’re contending for the wild card? Keep Joe Martinez in the fifth spot so we can find out about him for 2010.
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What youth movement. We signed Edgar Renteria and Randy friggin Johnson in the offseason. We should be improving the team any way we can.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rent was signed because there was no youth to play shortstop and Randy was signed tosell tickets for his 300th win. The failure of the front office to stick to player evaluation and development and try to sign ‘established’ marginal players is not a good thing.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 27, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. We shouldn’t sign sucky established players, but signing good players, regardless of age, when you’re trying to contend is never a bad thing.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Penny can suck balls. That’s my scientific analysis.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 27, 2009 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that’s my problem with Penny. If you want to replace an iffy kid with a quality veteran like Freddy Sanchez (when he finally gets healthy) over Burriss and Frandsen, I am completely on board, but when you talk about replacing a young kid with veteran DFA’d garbage, that’s where I have to complain.
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition to that, I see Randy Johnson as having had a positive influence on a very young pitching staff and have no desire to have some fat Dodger bastard come in and fuck things up.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 27, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the point of a youth movement is to find out about GOOD YOUNG minor league prospects
You don’t just do it just to do it. Joe Martinez is fringy; I like him as our temporary 5th starter but if we can upgrade the spot, we should do it.
by superk1ng on Aug 27, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Larry Bowa as character witness.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 27, 2009 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put that on the (expletive) dot-com.
I think that had a chance to be the site tagline if it weren’t a Dodger line.
by Grant on Aug 27, 2009 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about “So many cuss words”?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 27, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has Dodger stink on him
That is my entirely rational reason for refusing to entertain this idea.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 27, 2009 7:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
counterpoint
He would help the ’09 Bums greatly. If he is a Giant (or on another squad) he will not help them much.
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by daveinexile on Aug 27, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe. The Giants have been pretty good at discerning pitching talent lately, so I am inclined to go on whatever the Tidrow crew says.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 7:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
I don’t want to hijack this thread already, but the Rockies recently cut Matt Murton loose.
.306/.374/.483 against lefties for his career.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let’s trade a top-10 prospect for him.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to put a fanshot about this. I think it’s a good idea to get him.
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by MonkeyChow on Aug 27, 2009 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is one of those players that I don’t understand not getting a shot at more playing time somewhere in the MLB.
/glances at SD or ATL.
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by daveinexile on Aug 27, 2009 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 7:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Murton....
and Penny would definitely be worth it for free. Still, I was much higher on some Smoltz action
by NeifiChicken on Aug 27, 2009 9:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Penny & Murton would be solid pickups
Put Valdez on waivers and hope someone will see his velo and take a flier on him and if no one does DFA him and send him to Fresno. If we get Murton we can DFA Bocock and send Murton to Fresno before sep 1
Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Aug 28, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe (I would say probably not). Almost certainly better than Merkin, though.
by taliesin on Aug 28, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would interested in Murton as a possibility next season, and Penny as fifth starter for sure. Martinez doesn’t seem to be a long-term option, so we aren’t really seeing what we’ve got with him, it’s more like he’s holding the spot for someone else, and since we obviously cannot get any better on offense, only room for improvement is starting pitching. Also, I like the argument that getting Penny will probably send Merkin back to the minors, which is where he should be right now. It can’t hurt to try out Penny
by Mrbasepaul on Aug 27, 2009 9:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
I once exchanged heated words with Brad Penny and he’s a grade-A asshole. For my dad’s birthday a couple years ago I bought front-row tickets in the Dugout Club (or whatever it’s called now, the ones in the camera well against the screen) and we were literally 2 feet from the away on-deck circle for this game.
After Penny gave up the two HRs in the first inning he came back into the dugout, chucked the water cooler and all that stuff. So naturally when he came on-deck in the top of the second I proceeded to tear into him noting that he had some nice distance on the cooler toss and that it almost traveled as far as the home runs, nothing obscene. To my surprise he responded, telling me to “Shut the fuck up kid” and some other ramblings about how his shoulder was bothering him.
In the bottom of the second his velocity jumped 3-4mph.
So before his second AB I started ragging him about his shoulder, asking if it was suddenly all better or if he just decided to not take the night off, and he responded again. This time with, “I’m making $9 million this year (or whatever the figure was), I don’t take nights off” and gave me the bird when he took the weight off his bat.
Then he singled to right and drove in a run…
Since then he has been one of my least favorite players in the game.
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by j14 on Aug 27, 2009 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
BASEBALL PLAYERS CAN BE JERKS, NEWS AT 11!
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being a jerk is one thing. Letting things anger you so badly that it makes you perform even worse is another. Penny has awful composure when things go wrong and it’s been one of the things that has kept him from fully realizing his potential. He’s the anti Bob Gibson.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 27, 2009 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet, he’s been an above-average pitcher in his career. Even with his terrible-awful-no-good composure.
I think you’re reading too much into it.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s been a reasonably good pitcher while featuring outstanding stuff – his career is not the epitome of maximizing one’s talent and he is not on the upswing.
I certainly wouldn’t want him around a young pitching staff unless he was the piece needed to make the World Series a real possibility.
Not to mention pitching is hardly the thing keeping the Giants from winning games right now.
Also, I just hate the guy.
Utter frustration and futility.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 27, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOTED HOTHEAD AND PRICK, LARRY BOWA, CALLS KETTLE BLACK
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if he kicks puppies
we should absolutely sign him
by superk1ng on Aug 27, 2009 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were heckling him. It’s not like he punched you in the face.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That asshole did hit an RBI single, though.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, but you are late for the free hugs. Once the deadline passed its not comin back, even with sob stories
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by say hey nation on Aug 27, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
But it sounds like you were the asshole.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 27, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
since your ragging on Penny caused his velocity to jump 3mph and hit an RBI single, we should chip in and buy you tickets for all his starts if the Giants’ do sign him. Keep him on his chubby toes. By the way, I remember Sabean having some interest in him in the offseason, so I can totally see this happening.
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Warning
Alyssa Milano slept with him.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 10:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe him and zeets will fight to the death and free us of “The Contract”
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by say hey nation on Aug 27, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if this could happen...
I’d say we bring in Pavano as well. And Tony Danza…
by NeifiChicken on Aug 27, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on good authority that Mona petted and loved Ms. Milano, too (much to the consternation of Angela and that kid.)
Stupid is as Ruben Rivera does...
by bkrhater on Aug 27, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Zito is fleet-footed and Penny is out of shape. Krukow and Bowa told us so.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine either way. I’d like to see what Martinez can do as a starter for the rest of the year, but I realize we’re still in this and should improve the team if possible.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 27, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I still like Joe as a 5th starter but if the Giants are serious about this Wild Card thing (and they are) Penny should be looked at.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My initial reaction was “DO NOT WANT!” but after looking at the numbers, he’d be a really savvy pick-up for pretty much nothing. I mean, you all know how I feel about YEAH JOEY but he hasn’t been anything more than an adequate 5th starter so far – Penny is capable of a lot better than that.
Dude is a moron though.
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by jponry on Aug 27, 2009 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am in favor of signing this moron.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 27, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moron + Pitcher, you say?
I just wish I had more opportunities to use that. I really like his Troll teeth and weird pointy lip. But nobody ever talks about Randy Messenger anymore… :(
Context, people. More context is good. Less context is bad. If you're willing to be reductive, then you're willing to be wrong.
by howtheyscored on Aug 27, 2009 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I’d be in favor of signing Hitler if I thought he could post a better than average ERA+.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
by dcp on Aug 27, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4426474
As Brad Penny, who was told by Boston Red Sox officials Wednesday night that he is being released, is being moved through waivers, at least three NL contenders — the Colorado Rockies, San Francisco Giants and Florida Marlins — have expressed interest in the veteran right-hander, sources said.
by xanthan on Aug 27, 2009 10:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Rockies need him? They have Russ Ortiz!!
by Natto on Aug 27, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you see Josh Fogg last night?
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2009 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I’m Penny, I cross the Coors team off of my list, since I’m looking to impress and get a contract for next year from somebody. I would think Florida is the place to be for him, since he pitched there already for a few years, but certainly ATT would be the best ballpark for a pitcher looking to show he can still get the job done.
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by rxmeister on Aug 27, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think he would want to be in the NL west so he can tell Russell Martin and the rest of the Bums to Suck It
by m34josh on Aug 27, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t stand the guy, but I also know that he’s a pretty good pitcher. I would be OK with getting him. Just be sure to bolt down everything in the dugout.
by Natto on Aug 27, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Then he’d just pull something trying to heft the water cooler across the dugout.
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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
by kennv on Aug 27, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s weird and annoying is that Boston just keeps jettisoning serviceable veterans just because they can. How about releasing some hitting, Theo?
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually wouldnt hate it
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by CB30 on Aug 27, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah
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by ResDog on Aug 27, 2009 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Would be fine if we picked him up and fine if we didn’t bother. I’d like to see what Martinez can do but we probably should have an eye out for an upgrade. Whether Penny is the right upgrade i don’t know.
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by GiantFan on Aug 27, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather kick him than his tires.
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by beat_la_25 on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Two upgrades rolled into 1
Joe Martinez to the bullpen is an upgrade over Justin Miller / Merkin Valdez
Brad Penny is an upgrade over Joe Martinez
by jctGamer on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he much of an upgrade over either of them though? He’s got a higher ERA than either (although SSS and he’s been starting) and his FIP looks unsustainably low. Miller’s projected to do much better than him (in ERA or FIP) whilst Valdez is projected to do similarly (Better in ERA, lower in FIP) I don’t mind having him in the bullpen but i don’t see really see him as being much of an upgrade.
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by GiantFan on Aug 27, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DId tonight’s game answer your question?
by jctGamer on Aug 27, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think
it’s time to let Joe have his spot in the pen back again.
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by Al Rosen on Aug 27, 2009 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the Justin Miller hate. Oh, I do. But he really shouldn’t be lumped in with Merkin Valdez. Aside from the two recent exceedingly unfortunate outings, he’s mostly been pretty damn good. I still wanted him DFA’d on Tuesday, but that would have been wrong.
by taliesin on Aug 28, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate ta pee in the collective Cheerios …but… aren’t there like 42 teams in line ahead of us?
I keep hearing different versions of how this works, but the whole AL has dibs before us and then all those in the NL with worse records than ours, yes? So that puts it pretty far out there doesn’t it? Granted no one in the AL will probably want him…
by Merope on Aug 27, 2009 1:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I could see Detroit taking a flyer.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 27, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a possibility that his contract would clear waivers.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 27, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
my cheerios!
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, no.
Nobody’s going to claim him off waivers, because they’d be on the hook for the rest of his 2009 salary (a little more than a $1M, prorated off his $5M deal).
So he’ll be a free agent after the waiver period ends on Monday.
by taliesin on Aug 28, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract is worse than I thought. He gets an additional $500,000 for reaching each of 160, 170. 180, and 190 innings. He’s at 131 2/3, so if he pitched remotely well in his 5-6 starts in September, he’d at least get the first half million and possibly the second (if he got to the 180 innings mark, no one would complain about the cost).
by taliesin on Aug 28, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
He can have Justin Miller’s innings out of the pen, and Rich Aurilia’s plate appearances
by m34josh on Aug 27, 2009 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Freak, the Contract, the Third Starter At Best, the Unit, and the Hulk
I kinda like it.
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by shanghaijim on Aug 27, 2009 3:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey wtf what about the dirty he has been pitching better than zeets and cain he beat philly too the big u will leave soon, but this pitching rotation would be great
Timmy, Matty, Zeets, Dirty, and Pen Pen also getting Nomar as a bat would not hurt
by waffles on Aug 31, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
After watching Joe Martinez last night, BRING IN BRAD PENNY!!!!
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by rxmeister on Aug 28, 2009 7:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night sold me
I think a Penny pickup would be wise and this point. Cheap, not a shitload of risk, potential for MUCH upside. Let’s do it!
by gvp914 on Aug 28, 2009 8:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
*at this point
Martinez should move to the pen as a long haul reliever.
by gvp914 on Aug 28, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, why not
right now, he’s an upgrade over martinez, and if we can get 3-4 decent starts from him, it could potentially be a very nice move. not too much risk, there is some reward, and he will be pitching at at&t
by sfoakbay on Aug 28, 2009 12:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Significant improvement over Joe Martinez
As a 5th starter? Hell yeah. A 4.5 FIP ERA in the AL East is damn impressive, and there’s no cost.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Aug 28, 2009 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What I think the Giants should do..
Yeah I hope we can add him and also Trevor Hoffman. Then that’s a guarantee that our pitching staff is one of the best, no the best in baseball. Also, is there any news on any semi-good slugger whom the giants can pick up and actually be effective I mean I liked the idea of Alex Rios coming in despite his huge contract, but what do you want a championship or a team that pays players cheaply. So hopefully we can get Penny today and Hoffman so he can teach B willy some things on pitching.
by waffles on Aug 31, 2009 10:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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