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2009 Giants draft - 3 Sleepers

Like everyone else on the board, I'm quite down over recent results.  In order to cheer myself up I went to unearth some shiny new prospects.  I focused on 2009 late round pitchers (10th round or lower) as the Giants seem to consistently find pitching talent later in the draft.  Since Jason Walls hasn't debuted I didn't include him, but he may have a better arm than any of these three guys.   I can dig up the various links from which I gathered the information if need be.


B.J. Salsbury 6'2 185 DOB 10/22/1989 - drafted 13th round
AZL Giants -  50 IP  5-1  2.50 ERA  40 K  33 H 9 BB   7.2 K/9  4.45 K/BB  .83 WHIP .183 opp. avg. 

Why he dropped - Been drafted before and failed to sign.  Had options as a J.C. guy.  Present fastball velocity reported to be 88-91 (one link reported it to be "low 90s.)  

Performance -  Excellent debut at a completely age appropriate level.  Control appears to be outstanding for such a young pitcher and he's performed especially well recently.  In his last 38 IP, he's allowed 6 ER on 16 H 4 BB and 27 Ks while posting a 1.77 ERA, .53 WHIP and 6.75 K/BB.

Why he might be a sleeper - His curve is reported to be plus and he bas a "solid" change.  He's got a nice frame for pitching and he's only 19. If he can add a tick or two on his fastball then he has the making of two potential major league average offerings as well as a plus curve.  His command is quite good for a young player.  

Questions:  Will he add velocity?  Without more velocity, is his K rate likely to plummet?  Is his control for real?


Craig Westcott 6'4" 225 DOB: 03/01/1986 - drafted 30th round
AZ 4-0   .69 ERA 13 IP   21 K   4 H  3 BB  14.5 K/9  7 K/BB     .53 WHIP   .98 opp. avg.
SK 2-0 2.66 ERA 20.1 IP 30 K  16 H  7 BB  13.5 K/9  4.3 K/BB 1.13 Whip   .216 opp. avg.

Why he dropped in the draft - NAIA guy in Mississippi.  Was a 1B at West Florida before transferring to Belhaven for his senior year.  Likely pretty raw as a pitcher.  Already 23 y/o.

Performance - Was clearly far superior to AZL hitters but at 23 he should be.  His numbers at SK are still  pretty impressive, though he's still a bit old for that level.  He's been a starter for three games and has maintained the ridiculous k/9 rate.  His performance to me suggest swing through stuff as opposed to Ks through deception.

Why he might be a sleeper - 6'4" 215 with plus fastball.  Hit 93 while trying out for Belhaven and that was before he was a full time pitcher.  There's likely more in there and he could be a mid 90s guy with reps.  According to one of Belhaven's assistant coaches, "his slider is a late-breaking pitch with a lot of velocity, and he can command it, get you to chase it."

If he finds a 3rd pitch he could have starter potential.  Otherwise seems like a quality relief prospect.

Questions: Can he move fast as a starter?  Should he be fast tracked as a reliever?  Do his size and fresh arm make him a legitimate starting pitching prospect if he develops a 3rd pitch?


Chris Gloor 6'6" 255 DOB: 03/07/1987 Drafted 17th round
SK 5-1 2.80 ERA 35.1 IP 37K 27 H 15 BB 9.4 K/9 2.47 K/BB 1.19 WHIP .214 opp. avg

Why he dropped in the draft - Fastball disappeared for about a year.   Went from 92 to 84 without any injury.  Is the fastball back?

Performance -  He's being starting recently but if the stats are an indication it seems to be affecting his stuff.  In 15.1 IP as a RP he's got a .59 ERA 12.9 K/9 .65 WHIP and a .122 opp. avg.  As a relief pitcher he's been lights out.  At 22, he's not ancient for the Northwest league.

Why he might be a sleeper:  Here's what PG crosschecker wrote about him prior to the 08 college season.  

"An easy selection as the Coastal Plain League’s No. 1 prospect this summer, Gloor showed unusually fluid mechanics, command and pitchability for a big lefthander. He had the ability to throw three pitches for strikes, including a 90-92 mph moving fastball that crept to the mid-90s on occasion, an above-average curve and change. He got good downhill plane on his pitches and pounded the strike zone consistently. Gloor dominated CPL hitters, striking out 78 in 48 innings—a nine-inning average of 14.6"

They went on to project him as a 3rd -4th round pick.  His velocity dipped and he went in round 38 in 2008.  

He's a huge physical guy, so IMO he's got a good chance of returning to his prior velocity.  

Questions - Should they continue looking at him as a starter?  Is his stuff greatly inferior as a starter?


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Great stuff! I’d heard good things about Gloor but not the other two. If you dig up anything else on other 09 draftees I’d love to hear it.

We need all the good news we can get in light of this past weekend.

by Keenlow on Aug 25, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

LET THE BODIES HIT THE GLOOOOR

by xanthan on Aug 25, 2009 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Interesting post

Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all

If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.

GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!

by baetown415 on Aug 25, 2009 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

I love how every year the Giants are able to find talented arms out of essentially nowhere. If only we could do that with positional players. :(

by Hobbes2d on Aug 25, 2009 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Well they do find hackers out of everywhere, so there’s that.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 25, 2009 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

Nice to hear some of the backstory behind the numbers, paints a much clearer picture.

Rec’d

by NeifiChicken on Aug 25, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the research and the input. Three guys to keep track of in the coming years.

by APGiantsFan on Aug 25, 2009 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

and Gloor gets a mention in minor lines today. This Monds person is quite the scout.

cheering for Adam Witter, who will hit bigleague dingers some day.
Still yelling "Go, Antoan"

by foothillsfan on Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

More on Gloor...

Chris Gloor is an intriguing story…

He was very good as college sophomore in 2007 (Qunnipac Univ., in CT). He could throw three pitches for strikes, including a 90-92 mph moving fastball that crept to the mid-90s on occasion, an above-average curve and change. And at 6’ 5" (he is now 6’6") he had a downhill plane on his pitches and pounded the strike zone consistently.

In summer 2007, he went to the New Bern (NC) River Rats, where he was dominating the Coastal Plains League, a summer collegiate league in the Midwest. He led the league in opposing batting average (.130). He was second in ERA (1.30) and third in strikeouts with 78 in just 48 1/3 innings pitched. He allowed the league’s fewest hits (21) and earned runs (7), while posting the most strikeouts per inning (1.61). He struck out 10 batters or more in five consecutive starts and was twice named the Rawlings Pitcher of the Week. He was was the River Rats’ lone Coastal Plain League All-Star, and was named as the CPL’s top prospect by Baseball America

But in 2008, he grew to be 6’ 6" and ballooned to 285 lbs. It drained his stamina – during starts, he would be tired and laboring by the fifth inning. His velocity was gone, too. Unable to rotate his hips properly, he’d lost around 5 mph off his fastball. It showed in his stats – 2-5 with a 5.01 ERA.

That offseason, he lost some 30 lbs, and in 2009 he bounced back – going 7-4 with a 4.63 ERA and Northeast Conference-leading 81 strikeouts in 81 innings. Scouts expected him to go anywhere from round 10 – round 15. The Giants got him at round 17. His coach at Quinnipiac likened Gloor to Andy Petitte – another exceptionally big lefty with a low to mid 90’s fastball, good breaking ball and the ability to work the inside corner of the plate.

So far, at Salem Kaiser (Short Season, A), Gloor is doing well – 6-1 with a 2.45 ERA, and 44K’s and 17 BB’s in 40.1 IP.

It will be interesting to see what the Giants do with him next spring – he could start at Augusta and move to San Jose later in the year, or be moved to San Jose sooner. He may also be a candidate for winter ball as well.

by kar120c on Aug 26, 2009 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Sounds like another J. Sanchez in reverse

Hard throwing lefty with good command, but lost his stuff but seems to be getting it back.

by tarlinian on Aug 26, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thx for the info.

It really seems like the ball is in his court. It’s safe to say that conditioning is the issue here.

When he’s in shape he’s a low 90s lefty that touches 96 and has three pitches. When he’s out of shape, he’s a non-prospect.

by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 26, 2009 3:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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