Yesterday was yesterday
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 24, 2009 10:19 AM PDT
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PrintTurned the channel whenever the highlights came on. Avoided KNBR liked the plague. Muttered a few inaudible words whenever someone brought up the Giants. This is what I have done since yesterday afternoon. It’s time to focus on the game today. I hate labels, but this IS the biggest game of the year. Get the W and the road trip is done with a 6-5 record, a success no matter how painful it has felt. Get home to face the very bad Diamondbacks while the two teams we are chasing beat up on each other. Three games in the standings are there for the taking, no matter who wins in Colorado. Then the Rockies come to AT&T to face Lincecum, Zito and Cain. No matter how down I felt yesterday, sitting back today I can see it all falling into place. It is still within reach. Time to turn the page on yesterday.
Open Pre-Biggest Game of the Year Thread.
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Definitely the biggest game yet
There’s a massive difference between down 2 and down 4 games right now, and this determines it. Being the Giants pessimist I am, I can’t really see us coming back from 4 games back when the Rockies have an easier SOS the rest of the way out.
However, we have a shot at coming back from 2 games back. Unfortunately, it’s a Zito start and he gets zero run support, so it’s going to be rough. But maybe…
"It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit." - Coach John Wooden
WELL YOU'RE ALWAYS WRONG
AND YOU HATE THE GIANTS
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I wonder: does the fact that Gordon Beckham made the majors fastest of all draft picks and is having a nice rookie year make xanthan hate him and his hair less – or more?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
I just looked up Brian Matusz, and he has a 6.75 ERA and 2.09 WHIP in his first four starts. I guess that makes me feel a little better about not calling Posey up yet.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
.453 BABIP!
It’s just 4 starts anyway, but his K/BB are already good. He’s going to be a beast.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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Yep. He’s striking guys out, too. I’d probably put him in the top 5 prospects in the game right now. Definitely top 10.
I’m just really sad we’re not about to see Posey, even though I suspect it’s the right call. Looking for reasons not to be bummed.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
We should be 3-0 in this series and 1 game up on the Rockies. If we lose tonight, worst series of the year.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Side note: I’ve enjoyed hearing Krukow on the radio today about how OMG THESE LOSES ARE AMAZING and THEY’LL TEACH THESE YOUNG KIDZ HOW TO PLAY IN MEANINGFUL BALL GAMES!!!!11
I’m pretty sure, somewhere along the way, a few of our players played in “meaningful” baseball games over the billion baseball games they’ve played in.
Krukow on KNBR this morning was frustating
He actually defended the Sandoval at bat, saying he “squared it up”. The “These guys are young and arent used to meaningful games” excuse is growing old.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT
I don’t care if he hit it hard (which he really didn’t hit it all that hard… wow a ground ball right at the first baseman who was playing in!) YOU SHOULD NEVER SWING AT THAT PITCH. EVER.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
So Rowand throws to the wrong base because he’s young? Renteria yips ground balls because he’s young? Molina goes 2 for 8 with 4 Ks because he’s young? Garko cuts off perfect throws for no discernible reason because he’s young?
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Not clutch.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
/ducks
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
How come people are all over Sandoval? Didn’t Molina swing at ball four with a man on 3rd and less than two outs a couple innings earlier?
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
WHY DO YOU HATE PABLO SANDOVAL?!?!?!
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
I think it’s just a culmination of it happening repeatedly for the previous 4 or 5 games, only his was in the most visable situation.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 24, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You know what, Bengie Molina has been exempt from criticism on this blog for far too long!
But, seriously, it was particularly frustrating from Sandoval in that instance because
1. It was as far out of the zone as the three pitches he’d just taken.
2. Bengie came up and promptly hit a deep fly ball.
3. The Giants had just lost a ton of momentum the last inning and tying the game so promptly would have been reassuring. Instead, what was already soul-crushing became even more so.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Well
Molina is a lost cause. Sandoval could still improve this part of his game.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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You know
If we re-sign Molina to help Posey learn defense, I’m really afraid Molina will find a way to mess with Posey’s approach. If Posey draws anything under 70 walks in his first year, I’m blaming Bengie.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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I fear that Molina will teach Posey all of his bad defensive habits too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I’d say overall that Molina is a pretty good defensive catcher. He throws well, prevents a lot of wild pitches (he’s actually pretty quick footed back there), works the umps and calls a decent game.
As has been said a million and one times, my only problem with him is that he’s our cleanup hitter and not our #7 hitter.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
I think he’s pretty bad at blocking the plate, personally, and I hate a lot of his pitch calling habits.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I dunno...
As the season’s worn on (and I think this happens to most catchers), he’s gotten kinda lazy about getting out and blocking balls that miss their target, whether by trying to reach out and backhand what he should be blocking, or whatever.
Obviously it’s the dog days of the season and catching is brutal, but damn, Bengie. Do a freaking situp. I get a little grossed out watching the front third of his torso bounce as he ‘runs.’
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno...
As the season’s worn on (and I think this happens to most catchers), he’s gotten kinda lazy about getting out and blocking balls that miss their target, whether by trying to reach out and backhand what he should be blocking, or whatever.
Obviously it’s the dog days of the season and catching is brutal, but damn, Bengie. Do a freaking situp. I get a little grossed out watching the front third of his torso bounce as he ‘runs.’
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Molina #3 in NL
Recently the NL managers voted him third best in the league defensively. Of course that’s a comparative datum.
Seems a bit overdone to me, as well
I plotted the trajectories of the pitches in that AB, maybe Pablo should have recognized the 3-2 pitch a little earlier, but if a guy is throwing 93-94 fastballs, and then drops a 80mph off-speed breaking pitch from the same release point – it’s hard to criticize the fact that he swung at it. I’m amazed he squared it up, as well.
The “correct” criticism is that pablo did not recognize that he was likely going to be pitched around in that AB. He should have been way more selective early in the count. But, then again, thats never been his game.
Seriously, it was in the dirt.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I used gnumeric and physics
You’re showing a end-point, not a trajectory. Did you really plot a trajectory?
Yes, please do!
I showed it breaking down pretty fast – almost diving to the plate. As I said, maybe he could have recognized the break earlier, but I won’t criticize him for that particular swing, the whole AB, maybe.
I see what you did there.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I can export the chart to jpg, svg, or whatever easily, it’s just the code to link ( and particularly to size) a jpg.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
it did not, you can use the picture button on the post form to add an image
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by ringleader3 on Aug 24, 2009 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to read the legend
The middle trajectory is pitch #4, which ended up outside, but in the zone vertically. The 3-2 pitch is #6 and is the lowest plot – same velocity as #4, but it ended up diving to the plate. And pitch #5 is a 96 mph fastball up in the zone.
To me it looks like pitch #4, and #5, set-up #6, and so the 3-2 pitch wasn’t just a wasted throw in the dirt – despite the comments from baggs.
Yes, i read that in Bags notes, too.
Did you actually see the pitch?
I tend to agree
Laying off a breaking ball that starts in the strike zone and ends up at your feet with a full count is REALLY difficult.
He got out chess-matched by Ianetta. Naturally, Pablo’s used to thinking, “He’s gotta come into the zone now that he has three balls.” (he he, he has three balls), but should have realized with first base open they didn’t have to.
If I’m the 3rd base coach with a 22-year old up there who’s anxious to make something happen, I call time out and have a pow wow to remind him of the situation.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Yes, Timmy makes ML players look silly under the same circumstances.
Case in point, the slider he threw Helton in the first inning, made Helton look foolish.
Lincecum is the best pitcher in the NL. Jimenez is good, but judging from his >4 career BB/9, I’m guessing that it is in fact possible to lay off that breaking ball.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
Nice non-sequitor
Nevertheless, did anyone claim it was impossible? I say the pitch was nasty, other’s claim it rolled up to the plate. My only objection is to the characterization that it was a pitch that could be laid off EASILY.
Obviously it’s not “easy”, nothing in professional baseball is easy, I think the majority of average or better hitters would have laid off that pitch.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
OR
That maybe, just maybe, it is possible for someone who is good at something to make a mistake. And the fact that he is good doesn’t change the fact that he made a mistake.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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Well I'm all for begging the question......
but, please, just please tell me, if the average ball player gets a hit on any single pitch at something less than a 20% clip, and walks on a 3-2 pitch around 20% of the time, how you were able to discern that this particular pitch should have fallen into the 40% of the productive ABs?
And as I recall, you’re the guy who seems to distrusted two broadcaster’s collective 100 years of baseball experience because their opinion on a dropped flyball contradicted UZR zone data, so I hope your not going to fall back on saying something like, “the ball would have ended up in the dirt – it’s obvious.”
The second paragraph was so moronic, I’m not going to bother replying to you.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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you did
but cookyman provided the ad hominem argument in an attempt to undermine Kruk/kiup’s credibility. Something about predicting Lewis, with his off-field approach, would hit lefties well. Don’t sweat it – fallacious argumentation is a pet peeve of mine.
Uh-huh. Does it not occur to you that the situation we were arguing about then (Fred Lewis giving it a good effort but then bungling the finish) is precisely analogous to the play you’re arguing about now, except now you’re on the other side?
That's funny.
My stance then was that the experienced observer knew the play should have been made, and now my stance is the experienced observer knows how tough it is to lay off a good 3-2 pitch. Sure, both discussions involved the failure to execute, and I’m on opposite sides of whether there was legitimate excuse to fail, but my reasoning for believing what I do is identical in both cases. Do you get that, at all?
But the real argument here, is whether the pitch itself was good, or not. It’s cookyman who reasons that since Jimenez isn’t “great” the pitch MUST have been “rolled to the plate.” Observe that cookyman, in a matter of a few posts, has argued that Jimenez can’t throw a nasty pitch because he isn’t “great,” but sandoval, even though he is good, can make a mistake. So one guy must conform to his average performance while the other does not. Breathtaking.
As an aside, in that old discussion, you were asserting that Lewis’ bobble represented the disconnect between the average fan’s opinion of Lewis and his ability according to UZR. My main objection to that was simply that one play couldn’t really define the disconnect. After that, cookyman, as he does here, steered the topic into a tangential and trivial direction.
I don’t think it’s a matter of pitch recognition at all. Kruk and Kuip predicted he’d swing at the pitch wherever it was. Ianetta went out to the mound and told Jimenez to bounce a pitch because he was going to swing at it. Where he failed wasn’t pitch recognition, it was old baseball standby, play within yourself. He wanted to drive in the run come what may and went hacking rather then staying within himself and letting the game come to him.
He’ll learn from it hopefully.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
From the Panda himself
"That was a bad pitch to swing at," he said. I tried to do the job. I was so excited. But I should be more patient, especially in that situation with first base open. They’re not going throw anything close to the strike zone."
This makes my point that someone should have rteminded him of the situation.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
How, though?
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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Like I said, Flannery could have called him out of the box and had a quick discussion with him. Molina could have said somethign to him from the on-deck circle.
"We're in this thing!" My adopted Giant: "Raptor Jesus" Guzman, "Sweet Jesus" Guzman and Jesus H. Guzman.
Hm, do coaches ever really do that? Molina could have said something, but he probably thinks Sandoval made the right decision.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
Yeah seriously, Bengie’s the last person who could give advice there.
“Swing at every pitch that you could conceivably hit fair, Pablo.”
“Oh-kay!”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
Besides, what young guys?
Rowand? Molina? Winn? Renteria?
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Aug 24, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh
If we win then “yipee” but I dont see it
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
I have to say, I mean, it’s nice to be optimistic but the Rockies are just, top to bottom, a much better team than the Giants. :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Jason Marquis terrifies me, too. He always seems to pitch well against us. Anytime this team faces a groundballer I get anxious.
Anytime this team faces agroundballerpitcher I get anxious.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Shouldn’t Jason Marquis be ready tot turn back into Jason Marquis?
/rubs trade stone
Yes, I see a Marquis explosion in the near future.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
Wow
I’m really shocked the Rockies only have a 100 team OPS+, I wonder if it’s giving Coors too big of a park factor or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
A lot of Garrett Atkins PA's with Hurdle early in the season will do that.
Plus that was the bad Tulo period. The team’s had a 105/106 OPS+ since June.
Yeah, the regular lineup is between 94 and 133 OPS+, so I figured it was a case of “bad hitters who got lots of ABs earlier in the season but are on the bench now.”
btw, it’s unfair. I don’t know if you realize that!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The Giants will be at this stage a lot sooner than I'd like.
Posey/Neal/et al will mean no more blowing off April and May and still expect to be competitive.
Our bullpen is better!
/doesn’t bring in Affeldt
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Yep. Watching those three games over the weekend made it remarkably clear. The Rockies don’t compare favorably to the Giants’ top two starters, but they have significantly more depth of talent. The fucking Dodgers do, too. It sucks.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
The last couple weeks have really reinforced how shallow a team the Giants are after their three best players (plus the bullpen, which, while very good, can be as volatile as any bullpen because that’s just how bullpens are.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The magic of SSS can make a mediocre reliever look pretty awesome, too. We’re just not used to it because our relievers usually swing the other way.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
99 mph fastball
6.6 K/9
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
We needed somebody to replace Fifi.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
LOL
In 2001, Felix finished 20th in MVP voting.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Well in his defense, his K/9 was over 10 that year. It was immediately afterward it took a precipitously decline into the 6s and we got the interminable:
fastball, fouled off; fastball, fouled off, fastball, fouled off (repeat ad nauseum)… fastball, hit
ABs that have become image of all that is Fifi in my mind.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Even Matt Cain thinks he has no swingthrough stuff.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The “Cain doesn’t strike people out” meme isn’t as funny now since he, well, doesn’t strike people out.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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He had a good stretch where he got his K/9 back up to his career levels but he’s been doing poorly with it lately. :( Though he’s also stopped walking people, which is good.
Despite a 1.6 decline in his K/9 since the All Star Break, his K/BB has actually improved by about 1!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It just pisses me off that he seems to give up a ton of balls in play on 2-strike counts.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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our relievers usually swing the other way.
Hawt.
/looks at the people in the Giants bullpen
Never mind.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
You’re not into tats, eh?
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by EliminateMe on Aug 24, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s got surprisingly decent peripherals for, you know, Brandon Medders. The walks are high but the K-rate is solid. I don’t know what to make of it. I mean, he’s not a set up man, but he’s been generally useful as a middle reliever. But yeah, the success of guys like Miller and Medders has been surprising.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I never thought Medders would last this long. I kinda like Miller in the offseason but he’s really stopped striking out hitters this season. He posted an 8.29 K/9 last season and he’s under 6 right now.
IT’S OKAY WE HAVE FREDDY SANCHEZ.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
God damn it
I had forgotten all about that fiasco
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
Out today, may hit the DL
According to the Oakland Tribune.
…
Y’all already knew that, didn’t you?
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Well...
this thread did not go the direction I was hoping. Probably should have expected that.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 24, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions
I think we could have sustained an optimism thread after Saturday’s game because of the spirited comeback but after yesterday….. they’re going to have to show me something before I get excited again.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yesterday sucked with the white hot heat of 1000 suns. I had to yell at the TV many times, but never so loudly as when Bengie struck out on ball 4 then got Sandoval thrown out at second.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
Ugh, I’d almost forgotten about that. All the usual fail of the Giants in one wonderful AB!
Seriously, Bochy should NEVER call the hit and run on 3-2 counts. You take hitters who are already likely to swing at bad pitches in that situation and put them into a mindset where they feel like they have to.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Bochy calls the hit and run way too much. I understand why he would want to HnR with Bengie up, since he’s a walking talking GiDP, but you could solve that problem by, say, NOT HITTING FUCKING BENGIE FOURTH EVERY FUCKING DAY.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
Buster Posey Buster Posey Buster Posey
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Replace Bengie with Posey, upgrade at short (either with a fully healthy and rebounded Rentaria or some other option) and add an impact bat in the outfield, and they might have a slightly below average offense instead of the League’s worst.
Waiting for Giants and Niners to contend once more.
I wonder if we could get JJ Hardy without giving up MadBum, Posey or Neal.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The Brewers really need pitching. They have the worst FIP in the NL.
Too bad we already cashed in Tim Alderson.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I love this picture. I’m curios, did you make it up yourself or did you steal it from my profile?
All things on the Internet come from me.
i nominate Natto to organize the image collection, since more than half of them are probably in his photoshack account already
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by ringleader3 on Aug 24, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I can't see anything...
it’s all white…
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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I wonder if Neal can play SS.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
Going to have to show me something before I get excited again
TWHS
Kinda.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
If there is any good in the world
Let the Giants win 10-0 and have a foul ball hit that fucking dinosaur
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
+109
Hate that thing. The Rockies organization exists to torment me and it has since 1993. Never has it once served my needs as a Giants fan.
by out machine on Aug 24, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the quote
that follows in the movie… also followed by
“…he’s on a roll.”
by KrazyKrabMeat on Aug 24, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s a major, major clue in (that there is) the picture of John Belushi in Animal House.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Hit and Run with Molina?
Sorry if this was beaten to death elsewhere, but the play that really irked me was when Molina struck out into a double play on a hit and run with Sandoval. I was listening on radio, so I have not seen the play, but my first thought was “WTF is Bochy doing?” I heard later that Molina swung at ball 4, so it is especially maddening. Why does Bochy want to put that play on all the time anyway? I know it is a singles hitting team and you want to hopefully move runners up and around, but shouldn’t being in Coors mitigate this? In my recollection, this is not the first double play made with this combination this year. For some reason this bothers me as much as Garko’s dumb cut.
Someone said "Dpnt do hit and runs with guys who cant hit or run"
Thats the way I feel too
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
it's worth pointing out
That with a 3 2 count, and a runner on first, the batter isn’t obligated to swing at ball four. Even if the runner is going. Especially if the runner is very slow. You could just take the pitch. It is allowed.
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 24, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
On the radio, IIRC, they were saying, “if he puts the h&r on here, the batter HAS to make contact… there goes Sandoval! Molina swings and misses! Here’s the throw to second and he’s… OUUUUT!”
Sigh.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That's on Bengie not Bochy
As Giantsfan4life pointed out, it’s ball 4, he doesn’t need to protect the runner. All he needs to do is LAY OFF THE FREAKING PITCH IN THE DIRT FOR ONCE.
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It’s still a dumb play for Bochy to call, because YOU KNOW MOLINA IS GOING TO HACK AT ANYTHING, and then Sandoval’s going to be thrown out. Yeah, Molina shouldn’t have swung. But Bochy should’ve known he would, because duh, and thus not put the play on in the first place.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Maybe, but it’s not like Molina doesn’t hit into (more than) his share of double plays too. It’s kinda damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to sending the runner in that situation.
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It's a terrible call, though
If it’s a walk, it makes no difference. If it’s a ball in play, odds are it makes no difference. If it’s a K, it makes a huge difference. The risk was much greater than the reward.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
DON'T STOP
…thinkin’ about tomoooorrow
Yesterday’s gone, yesterday’s gone!
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 24, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions
my message to the 2009 Giants
“I loved you all the summer through
I thought I’d found my dream in you
For me, you were the one
But that was yesterday
And yesterday’s gone.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
you want money in your pocket
and a top hat on your head
a hot meal on your table
and a blanket on your bed
well today is grey skies
tomorrow is tears
you’ll have to wait til yesterday is here
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
nice
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 24, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
2009 Giants
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
I have seen the future, brother
It is murder.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
The Future: Bruce Bochy edition
Give me back my veteran grit
my hit and run, my double switch
it’s lonely here,
there’s no lefties left to pinch hit for
Give me absolute control
over every boulder skull
And don’t take pitches, baby,
that’s an order!
Give me Ks and slop-hack bats
Take the only Fred that’s left
and stuff it up the hole
in your lineup
Give me back Eugenio now
give me Bengie and Edgar
I’ve seen the future, brother:
it is veterans.
Pitchess are going to slide, slide right at your ankle
Won’t be nothing
Nothing you can’t swing at anymore
The boulder, the boulder of my skull
has crossed the clubhouse
and it has overturned
the order of the lineup
When they said DON’T SWING DON’T SWING
I wonder how they’ll win rings
When they said DON’T SWING DON’T SWING
I wonder what they’ll wing rings
When they said DON’T SWING DON’T SWING
I wonder what they’ll win rings
You don’t know me from Felipe
That’s okay, I’ll be extended anyway
I’m the giant head
who hit-and-ran Bengie
I’ve seen the standings rise and fall
I’ve heard the prospects’ stories, heard them all
but Aurilia’s the only engine of survival
Your Bowker here, he has been told
to swing in Fresno, I’ll say it cold:
You’re over, your chances ain’t going
any further
And now the wheels of Carney stop
you feel Shawon’s riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is veterans
There’ll be no releasing of the ancient
Aurilia, no
His fake injury will suddenly explode
There’ll be phantom bunts
There’ll be double plays on the road
and the Whiteside catching
You’ll see Fred Lewis
hanging upside down
his UZR covered by a fallen popup
and all the lousy aging outfielders
still playing
tryin’ to hit like Neifi Perez
and the Whiteside catching
Give me back Eugenio, now
Give me Bengie and Edgar
Give me Shawon
or give me no backup catcher
Destroy another prospect’s development now
We don’t like fresh blood anyhow
I’ve seen the future, baby:
it is veterans
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 24, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Yesterday
Yesterday,
NL wildcard seemed so far away,
Rockies looks as though they’re here to stay,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Suddenly,
We’re not half the team we used to be,
There’s a shadow hanging over me,
Oh, yesterday came suddenly.
Why Pablo
Had to go I don’t know, Boch wouldn’t say.
Ben gie,
Swung and missed, now I long for yesterday.
Yesterday,
This was such an easy place to play,
Now I need a place to drink away,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Why Tim
Had to stay I don’t know, Boch wouldn’t say.
He left,
Some pitch up, now I long for yesterday.
Yesterday,
This was such an easy game to play,
Now I need a place to drink away,
Oh, I believe in yesterday.
Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm-mm.
That song has now been covered fifty billion and ONE times.
Anagram of "knowing how to win" = WOW, I KNOW NOTHING
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 24, 2009 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
right after pablo swing at the ball in the dirt
i switched to mlb network, and they had an episode of Baseball Seasons on, which was good to see. then i realized that it was about THE FREAKIN 1993 SEASON which just reminded me of my hatred of the rockies
oh, btw, that TOTALLY made my day
THANKS MLB NETWORK
The Padres also deserve blame for giving Fred McGriff to the Braves (who were in the division at the time, even!) for a pile of turds.
The whole division was against us, dammit.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
I also blame the Cubs. No, seriously. Several years before we got the current, three-division realignment, Fay Vincent tried to bring in realignment that would’ve moved the Cubs and Cardinals to the NL West and the Reds and Braves to the NL East. Because of, you know, geography. But the Cubs blocked it because for some reason they thought playing in the NL West would force them to play more home night games and they didn’t wanna.
Had that gone through, we would’ve won the division by a million games. Well, okay, six games. But still.
/sobs
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
It was obviously the reverse vampires.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
I BLAME THE LACK OF NORWEGIAN HERITAGE NIGHT!
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 24, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
'Norwegian Heritage' GIS Result
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Since May 24 . . . .
May 24 was a very low point for Giants. We’d lost 3 out of 4 at home to the Mets, lost 3 in San Diego, and lost 2 out of 3 in Seattle. The only thing “wild” anyone was talking about back then was, “Isn’t it wild how we can’t win a freakin’ game at Petco.”
Since that date, we’ve had the third best record in the National League (47-34)— behind only the Rockies (52-29) and the Phillies (47-32). Considering our lineup, it’s hard to believe. Considering the 3-7 roadtrip after the ASG, it’s hard to believe.
Yet, there it is, in blue and red.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi?date=2009-05-24
As excruciating as the games on Sat and Sun were, these guys somehow have managed to bounce back all year. You never know.
Great, much needed perspective
There’s a real toughness to this team. I felt it when we fell behind 14-6 on Sat. and fought back. Didn’t win, but still. We can win today, and then who knows.
Fulfilling your Gus Benusa needs since 2009!
by Giantsfan4life on Aug 24, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop making me feel better!
"It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit." - Coach John Wooden
What have I learned about the Rockies?
They are younger, fitter, and smarter and better led than the Giants.
Now, having said that, watch them choke and those Atlanta Braves geezers miraculously grab the WC.
Regression sucks
Especially when the upward kind is not really involved….
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
The giants and the rockies need payback vs the braves for 1993
And the giants need payback from the rockies for 1993. The Rockies outwalked the giants 6-2 yesterday. Getting men on base is even more key in Colorado. Runs need to be scored and baserunners are muy importante. The Rockies may not be quite as good as the giants at home, but the giants can’t pick and choose when to use humidor balls. When the rockies are down late in a game. the runs seem to come to them in miraculous proportions.
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