minor lines, 8/20/09
Highlights from the Giants' farm: (a,b) John Bowker and Conor Gillaspie each had two doubles; (c,d) Ari Ronick and Andrew Reichard combined for 1 ER in 13.2 IP while starting both ends of a doubleheader; and (e) Franicsco Peguero had six hits in the doubleheader. Honorable mention goes to (f) Madison Bumgarner with 1 ER (but 2 R) in 5.0 IP.
AAA: Fresno lost to Memphis 6-3
Fresno: C Buster Posey: 2 for 3, BB
Fresno: LF John Bowker: 2 for 3, 2 2B, SF
Fresno: 3B Ryan Rohlinger: 2 for 4, 2B
Fresno: RHP Ramon Ortiz: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 6 K
Fresno: RHP Steve Palazzolo: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Fresno: RHP Shingo Takatsu: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Memphis: RHP Adam Ottavino: 8.1 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 K
While drawing the Grizzlies' only walk, Posey reached base three times. Bowker had his 21st and 22nd doubles, while Rohlinger had his team-leading 36th double.
Ortiz allowed six runs, including four in the 2nd inning, but his ERA remains below 3.00. He threw 110 pitches (67 strikes). Palazzolo and Takatsu each had 2 K in a perfect inning of work. Ottavino, whom BA ranked as the Cardinals #22 prospect, had one of his better starts of the year. The 30th overall pick in 2006 has a 4.59 ERA in 24 PCL starts this year.
AA: Connecticut defeated New Hampshire 4-2
Connecticut: 2B Brock Bond: 2 for 5, SB, E
Connecticut: 1B Brett Pill: 3 for 5, GiDP, CS
Connecticut: LHP Madison Bumgarner: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
Connecticut: RHP Craig Whitaker: 2.1 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 3 K--1 E
Pill and Bond combined for five of the Defenders' nine hits, all of which were singles. Their AVGs are now .343 and .297. Bond's error was his 14th E this year.
Bumgarner pitched exactly five innings for the third time in his last four starts. Since his trip to the Futures Game, he has 28 H, 12 BB, and 21 K in 35.0 IP with a 2.57 ERA in seven starts. With 2.1 scoreless IP, Whitaker improved his ERA to 2.45 through six appearances in the upper minors.
A+: San Jose lost to Visalia 10-4
(despite leading 2-1 in the middle of the 6th inning)
San Jose: CF Darren Ford: 2 for 4, BB, SB
San Jose: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 5, 2 2B
San Jose: RHP Oliver Odle: 6.1 IP, 9 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HB
San Jose: RHP Mike Musgrave: 0.0 IP, 2 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB--1 WP
Ford reached base three times. He also had his 26th SB. Gillaspie had his 26th and 27th doubles.
Odle allowed just two runs through five innings but then was touched up for three more runs before the night was over, although two of those runs scored after he was out of the game in the 7th inning. It was just his second time to pitch into the 7th inning in his last nine starts. Musgrave failed to retire any of the four batters he faced, ballooning his ERA to 13.50 in a dozen Cal League appearances after he began the year with a 5.76 ERA in 23 Eastern League appearances.
A-: Augusta defeated Savannah 2-1 (11 innings) in game 1
(after rallying to tie the game in the bottom of the 7th inning)
Augusta: CF Francisco Peguero: 2 for 5, BB
Augusta: 3B Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4, BB, SO, SB
Augusta: SS Ehire Adrianza: 2 for 4, BB, E
Augusta: LHP Ari Ronick: 7.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 8 K--1 HB, 1 IBB, 2 WP
Augusta: RHP Edwin Quirarte: 1.0 IP, 1 K
While reaching base three times each, Peguero, Culberson and Adrianza combined for all but one of the GreenJackets' seven hits, all of which were singles. Culberson had his 11th SB, while Adrianza committed his 25th E.
Ronick had another fine start. In his three August starts, he has pitched seven full innings each time and allowed just 2 ER, improving his season ERA to 2.76. Quirarte worked a perfect 11th inning.
A-: Augusta defeated Savannah 6-1 (7 innings) in game 2
Augusta: CF Francisco Peguero: 4 for 4
Augusta: 2B Vladimir Frias: 2 for 3, 3B, BB
Augusta: RHP Andrew Reichard: 6.2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
Peguero's four singles paced the GreenJackets' eleven-hit attack and raised his AVG to .362. Frias also reached base three times, including once with his 5th triple.
Reichard made his longest start of the season and with just 1 ER brought his season ERA below 3.00. Since returning from the DL and joining the rotation, he has an impressive 1.40 ERA in five starts.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Everett 5-3
Salem-Keizer: DH Evan Crawford: 2 for 5, 2B, SO
Salem-Keizer: RF Ryan Lollis: 2 for 4, BB, SO, GiDP
Salem-Keizer: LHP Chris Gloor: 5.0+ IP, 7 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 HR
Salem-Keizer: RHP Jose Valdez: 1.0 IP, 3 K
Crawford and Lollis each had two of the Volcanoes' eight hits, raising their respective AVGs to .298 and .306.
Gloor allowed 3 ER through 5.0 IP but then in the 6th inning allowed a no-out, two-run HR to the final batter he faced. He had previously allowed just 6 ER, so his ERA came reasonably close to doubling, now at 2.80, as he suffered his first loss as a pro. After striking out all three batters he faced in a perfect 8th inning, Valdez has his K/IP ratio back above 0.75.
R: Giants defeated Brewers 4-2
Scottsdale: C Jesse Shriner: 3 for 4, 2 2B
Scottsdale: RHP Bryan Salsbury: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--2 HR
Scottsdale: RHP Shawn Sanford: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 2 K
Signed as an undrafted free agent a year ago, the 24-year-old Shriner continues to be a solid offensive force for the rookie Giants, now batting .302/.338/.475 through 139 AB.
Salsbury had his longest start as a pro, pitching into (and completing) the 7th inning for the first time. In ten starts, he has 27 H, 8 BB, and 38 K in 48.1 IP with a 2.05 ERA. Sanford struck out two of the four batters he faced for his 6th save.
DSL: Giants defeated Blue Jays 2-1 (7 innings)
(completed early due to rain)
Dominican: CF Jesus Galindo: 2 for 3, 2B
Dominican: RHP Luiyin Perez: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 3 K--2 HB
Galindo (18.11 y.o.) has heated up in August, batting .359 so far this month to lift his season AVG to .244. He has an OBP over .400 despite a SLG below .300. He also has a 22/4 SB/CS line. After eleven relief appearances, Perez (20.4 y.o.) made his first start of the year. Even with no earned run in 5.0 IP, his ERA remains above 4.00.
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I sure am worried that the Giants are rushing Posey by having him skip a level.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Buster's European trip
Apparently Buster won’t be available to play in the USA in Sept. He signed up for some type of player-exchange program and will be heading over to Europe as soon as Fresno finishes their season. Seriously though, he’s headed to Europe to take part in some World Baseball tournament as part of the American national team.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
The Giants are loaning him to Arsenal
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Which means:
He won’t get called up in September
He won’t be our opening day catcher
So we’ll have to resign Bengie
Who will be
Our opening day catcher
Batting cleanup
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
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Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 21, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey's batting line in Fresno...
…is now remarkably similar to what he put up in San Jose.
AAA: .319/.404/.543
A: .326/.428/.540
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
If we could sign him to a Longoria style deal before next season starts, I would wet myself.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Trust me, even then it’s still funny.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Don't stand
Don’t stand so
Don’t stand so close to him
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Unfortunately, his plate discipline will be for naught in 2010 unless Sabean gets canned. He hates to pay dudes for not swinging. Dudes can swing and miss as much as they want it seems, just so long as they swing.
Ishikawa 64 H / 68 K
Lewis 72 H / 74 K
Whiteside 16 H / 16 K
And folks got the nerve to bitch about Edgar?
Oh come on
Complaints about Lewis’s contact issues and dropped fly balls are completely valid. Complaints about his lack of power are true to an extent, though I think they’re a bit exaggerated. But you’re complaining that he doesn’t have plate discipline? Really?
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Don’t you know it’s hits to strikeouts, not walks to strikeouts. Come on…
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
No, those are 3 dudes whose hits don't exceed strikeouts.
Plate discipline is about NOT STRIKING OUT, not just about taking BBs. If you don’t got more hits than K’s, you are not a competent batter.
There are ways to get ball 4 without needing a “good” eye. The IBB, of course, and there’s the WP, or a pitcher who wastes one because he forgot it was a 3-ball count.
As usual, you are wrong. There are a lot of competent batters that do that. In fact, some of the very best hitters in baseball do that.
or a pitcher who wastes one because he forgot it was a 3-ball count.
HAHAHAHAHA, what?
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Smoke on, Cheech...
Some of the best HITTERS in baseball have FEWER HITS than STRIKEOUTS?
When you’re done I can send you some stale nachos.
New list of incompetent batters:
Ryan Howard
Adam Dunn
Mark Reynolds
Jason Bay
Dan Uggla
Jim Thome
Nick Swisher
Please retain this notice for your records.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Nope, I stand by my first assertion. Aside from Thome that’s a list of Dave Kingman-style #7 hitters (espc. Swisher & Dunn). If you had seen Kingman play, you’d know what I’m talking about.
If you mean lifetime, Bay shouldn’t be on that list at all, and Uggala just joined this year, barely.
Kingman, career: .236/.306/.478, 115 OPS+
Dunn, career: .251/.385/.524, 133 OPS+
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Why would you want that? None of them are competent.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
they’re all #7 hitters.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
(on the 1927 Yankees)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
If you only evaluate the quality hitters by their batting average, then no, there aren’t many good hitters with more strikeouts than hits. You wouldn’t want to look at anything like on-base percentage or slugging percentage.
I take OBP into account if you bat leadoff.
And SLG is fine if you have a high hit TOTAL, which the 3 Giants mentioned don’t. History has proven that putting the ball in play makes for better offense overall.
Has history proven this? I don’t think so. Show me instead of making something up and passing it off as fact.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
2008 Tampa Bay Rays: 2nd in the AL in strikeouts
2007 Colorado Rockies: 4th in the NL in strikeouts
2006 Detroit Tigers: 2nd in the AL in strikeouts
2004 Boston Red Sox: 1st in the Al in strikeouts
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
best yet
1927 New York Yankees: 1st in the AL in strikeouts
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Wait
You’re telling me one of the greatest offenses of all time lead the league in strikeouts? They outscored the second best team by 131 runs. Maybe that’s because hitters that strikeout a lot tend to walk and hit for power.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Well, this isn't fair
Strikeouts are bad. And it’s not that hitters who strike out a lot tend to walk and homer, it’s that if they didn’t do those things, they wouldn’t be in the majors (just like players who hit really poorly “tend” to play really good defense). It’s just that they are by no means a sufficient measure of offensive ability – only of a part of it. An important part, but still just a part.
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Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Wrong, argument was about more Ks than Hits!
Among the 107 World Champs you find ZERO.
Your glasses must be fogged.
You said
History has proven that putting the ball in play makes for better “offense overall”, and then said we should check “any winning baseball team’s K record” to see that you’re right. We did, and you were wrong – striking out is generally bad, but it is possible to have a good offense with lots of strike outs.
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:-) :-) :-)
That was only within the context of the ongoing argument.
And again, the argument was as to whether an individual batter could have more K’s to his name than hits and be considered competent. The extension of such logic is to assume that a team with more K’s than hits must be a better offensive team.
But the trouble with this is...
as cookyman already pointed out, NO TEAMS, good offensively or bad offensively have more Ks than hits.
The closest I can find, going back 10 years, is the 2008 Marlins (about 28 more hits than Ks), the 2004 Reds and Brewers (differential of 40-50 in favor of hits for both), 2003 Reds (differential of about 20) and 2001 Brewers (differential of about 20). And those only come relatively CLOSE to it.
I suppose you could try to look at the correlation between runs scored and K/H differential, but I doubt you’d find anything to support this assertion.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Actually no, that’s neither an extension nor is it logical.
Also, are you still arguing that it’s impossible to be a competent batter and K more than you hit? Because I don’t see the point in arguing with someone who thinks Ryan Howard and Jim Thome are incompetent batters.
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That’s a stupid and pointless argument to make. I don’t think any team in the history of baseball has managed to have more strikeouts than hits.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
And what good is not striking out? Neifi Perez never struck out, and he sucked.
At the very least, striking out a lot means you see a lot of pitches.
Outs happen too.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Striking Out is ALWAYS an OUT.
Unless you get a PB or CI or WP.
But putting the ball in play with 2 out is ALWAYS essential.
Sure
If you could turn all your strikeouts into balls in play, that would be great. But in reality, you don’t know if you’re going to strikeout or make contact, so you would have to alter your approach in all 2 strike counts. This would lead to a suboptimal strategy in all ABs where the hitter doesn’t strikeout.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
Fred Lewis strikes out because he has below average contact skills. That has nothing to do with plate discipline.
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Where do you get these stupid ideas? I’m serious. Do you make them up or did someone actually tell you that?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 22, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
DSL Giants clinch division title
The Dominican Giants clinched their division title with the win. They have 1 more game to play in the regular season, then I assume the playoffs will begin next week.
Also, Jake Dunning, our 2-way superman, returned to the starting lineup at shortstop last night – less than 24 hours after pitching 1 inning of relief in the Wednesday game. He went 1 for 4, with 1 K, to raise his average to .246. I guess this will be an ordinary occurence for the rest of the season.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Windster Report
Sundrendy Windster had the kind of line that is becoming depressingly familiar for him: 1-for-4 with 2 Ks.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
WINSTERMANIA!!!
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
At this point, probably next season, or maybe some winter league.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
He's got a tummy-ache
LOL. He’s been out since the end of June with a strained/torn muscle in his thigh. At the time, it was predicted to keep him out for the rest of the season, and there’s been no update to change that diagnosis since.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Do you think he’ll play in the AFL as the lone Giants representative from below AA? Or will he go to Hawaii or one of the Latin American winter leagues?
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Obviously it will depend on how healthy his leg is. If he’s fully healed I imagine that he’ll play in one of the Latin American leagues. The Hawaii league disbanded after last year, so the AFL is the only one sitll available in the USA. I don’t think that they’ll want him to go there for fear of him being overmatched, and also for visa reasons – I assume his current visa is only good for the end of Sept. If there is no visa issue, then he might play in the less demanding Arizona Instructional League where many of the 2009 draftees will be getting their feet wet.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Visalia Observations
Odle pitched adequately for six innings and there was no way he should have been put out there in the seventh inning, unless it was to see him fail. He had given up three hits in the sixth and got out of the inning with only one run scoring on a play at the plate to get the third out. The two runs he gave up in the fourth were courtesy of a Maroul error when he let an easy grounder get through his legs which was followed by two RBI doubles. Musgrave just totally sucked and is quickly working his way out of the organization.
Earlier observations of Nick Noonan’s inability to let the first pitch reach the catcher were confirmed. First at bat – fouled off first pitch, fly out to center on second pitch; second at bat – fly out to center on first pitch; third at bat – foul off first pitch, single up the middle; fourth at bat – sacrifice bunt on first pitch, which should have been a single as the first baseman who fielded the ball failed to tag Nick as he ran by; fifth at bat – foul off first pitch, ground out to third – another blown call by the first base umpire IMO as it appeared that Nick beat the ball to the bag, but I guess there is a reason these umpires are in the Cal league. Even though I yelled for Nick to take the first pitch each time he came to bat beginning with his second at bat he didn’t listen to me. I really hope someone works with him on his approach during the off season – if I notice it this clearly it has to be obvious to the other team and they probably are throwing him stuff off the plate with the first pitch knowing he is going to swing at it. Not much else remarkable to report on the batting front. Rojas left 3 or 4 guys in scoring position and Roger struck out on his one RBI opportunity. First loss for the Giants in Visalia in the past ten games – they were due to lose one.
Just to clarify
It sounds from your description like Noonan swung at every pitch thrown at him. Is that what happened?
Nick swung at the first pitch thrown during each at bat. As Kruk and Kuip have said, the more pitches a big league hitter sees from a pitcher, the better idea they get as to his speed, the movement on his pitches, etc. Nick has no chance to process this information as he doesn’t allow any pitches to reach the catcher. It would be nice if the batters in the minors were encouraged to develop the ability to work a count, which requires taking some pitches.
So you're saying he's ready for the big league club?
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Again, just to clarify
Are you saying he took some pitches? I seriously can’t tell from your description.
To be clear – he swung at the first pitch every time he was up to bat. In the third and fifth at bats he may have taken the second pitch after fouling off the first pitch, but he did not work the count during any of his at-bats.
by APGiantsFan on Aug 21, 2009 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Love the optimism
Hope someone works with him on his approach . . .
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It seems that with the addition of Evans in the front office the drafts have been better, especially as to position players. If you are going to draft quality position players or sign them as FA from outside the U.S., you had better get some people within the system to work with them on their approach to hitting. We can be as cynical as we want and a lot of us long-time Giant fans are, but when I can see a glaring problem in a highly rated prospect’s approach, one would hope the folks inside the system see it also and plan to address it.

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