Bengie wants two year extension or deal
According to Baggs, Bengie wants a 2 year deal from the Giants but there have been "no conversations." This makes me more interested in offering Bengie arbitration as I think he'll likely decline to look for that ellusive 2 year deal.
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and Tyler Matzek wanted "precedent setting money"
a lot of people want a lot of things
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 21, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 21, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
Giants say no to two year deal
It’s four years or nothing!!
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The Bengie thing kind of concerns me...
When the Giants notebook is posted, you can read Molina’s reaction to the news that Buster Posey doesn’t have a September call-up in the works. That decision by GM Brian Sabean seems to indicate that there’s a good chance Posey won’t be the opening-day catcher next season…..
"You know he’s going to be prepared," Bochy said. "He’s able to handle anything thrown at him. He might not be doing it with the bat, but it’s vital for a club to have a catcher you have confidence in, when you’re in a race."
I have a sinking feeling that they’re going to give him a 1 or 2 year deal after this season’s over.
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 21, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions
A 2-year deal would be horrific. I can see them offering him arb (maybe) but to go 2-years with him is a bad idea.
It’s also weird how much the Giants don’t seem to want to commit to Posey at the moment.
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by say hey nation on Aug 21, 2009 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am very much okay with Posey not coming the big leagues this year. Another half year in Fresno in 2010 wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 21, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you mean, that they don’t want to commit to Posey being the opening day catcher next year? I think that’s true, but that is the best approach for them to take. They moved him to AAA after half a year of pro ball, so they are obviously trying to move him as quickly as possible. To expect him to be ready opening day would be highly imprudent.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 21, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d say he’s pretty close to being ready right now. He’d probably out produce Molina right-this-very-second. It’s the whole ROOKIES CAN’T WORK WITH PITCHERS nonsense that drives me crazy.
Get Posey a veteran caddy and let him go play. Start it at something like 60% Posey 40% Cagey Veteran (Not Named Molina) and then give him more PT as the season goes on.
Really though, does any part of signing a 35-year-old (fat) catcher to a 2-year deal make sense? I can’t see how it does.
this is an idea I like very much.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 21, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That would open a hole at 3B and add further to our 1B logjam.
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I despise the idea of re-signing Molina, and I would be very upset if that happens. But I also don’t care about Posey’s ability to out-produce Molina right now, allowing Posey to develop properly is about a million times more important than the production the 2009 or 2010 Giants get out of their catchers. I fully believe that it takes catchers longer to develop, and not because of bullshit things like game calling and working with pitchers, but there are very real things that make it the toughest position to play. I just think that the fact that Giants are not yet sold of Posey as the opening day catcher (even as they rush him through the minor leagues as quickly as possible) doesn’t indicate their lack of commitment to him, it’s just an absolute minimum of caution.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 21, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't believe I'm agreeing with a Bruin, but
this.
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I fully believe that it takes catchers longer to develop, and not because of bullshit things like game calling and working with pitchers, but there are very real things that make it the toughest position to play.
Can you elaborate?
And why is game calling and working with pitchers bullshit?
not so much bullshit as not concrete and prone to exaggeration, I think.
As for defensive improvements, many posters have commented on the number of passed balls for Posey this year. How will that play when he’s trying to catch Lincecum’s pitches which dive in the dirt 12-15 times per game?
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It could just be the pitchers.
Supposed defensive wunderkind Jackson williams has 11 PB this season, 19 last year, and 8 the season before that. Particularly in the low minors, 1 PB per 9-10 games played seems to be the norm.
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Catcher is the most difficult position to play, and the one that requires the most technique, I think this is pretty well accepted among people who know about baseball. Posey started catching later in his college career, so it stands to reason that he should be given a little more time and repetitions to develop. Matt Weiters was moved quicker than any catcher ever has been (in terms of time spent in the minor leagues) and he has understandably struggled a bit with the adjustment, even though I think he’s doing as well as could reasonably be expected. Even if Posey spends all of 2010 in the minors and is the opening day catcher in 2011, that would be moving very quickly for catcher.
As tedfordfan said, I think game calling and working with pitchers does exist, it’s just the kind of basis on which young catchers are sometimes discriminated against, even if they can do it just as well as the veterans.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 22, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The Bengie Molina-Giants BRAZZ relationship reminds me of that old Twilight Zone episode where a town full of adults is somehow terrified of this freaky little kid.
"He is Tim Lincecum...the Most Interesting Pitcher in the World."
Someone wish Bengie away into the cornfield.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 21, 2009 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/Bengie tries to leg out an infield single when he’s the last man on Earth
/Bengie breaks his leg between home and first
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by groug on Aug 21, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How much money would you all guesstimate (wow…that’s apparently a word as the red squigglies are non-existent) Bengie would make in arbitration?
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 21, 2009 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
$7 mil? Just a guess really. Isn’t he around $6 this year?
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 21, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
no arb
Bengie will make much more money than he should thru that process. He’s the cleanup hitter afterall. if the giants think he stinks so much, why bat him there EVERY GAME?
I’m tired of this guy. I know he’s all gamery and veterany with the pitchers, but something tells me that Lincecum and Cain will make it thru alright with someone else.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 21, 2009 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
SSS and all I know but if Bengie is so good with the pitchers, why is Zito so much better when someone else catches him?
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Zito and Molina = fail
Because Molina has this two strike infatuation of the high fastball above the zone. Timmy, sanchez and cain’s heaters can blow past guys, but zito and Johnson(home runs beginning of the year) have slower fastballs that get wrecked. I hate that pitch and haven’t seen sando or whiteside call for that pitch repeatedly like bengie. Ps I think Randy told Molina no more after like the 5th start no más and that was when the homerun numbers went down.
I vote arbitration. If he accepts, 1 year with a posey midseason call up. If he declines, the get a Greg Zaun or Jason Kendall type to hold the fort until May.
by krukkuipandclint on Aug 21, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
But if you offer him arb and he doesn’t agree, you get a draft pick. I think that’s the only reason people are advocating offering him arb.
With all the contracts coming off the books (Winn, Johnson, Roberts, Howry, Molina) I doubt paying him for one more year would be an issue unless they’re planning on making a run at Holiday or something.
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Lincecum, Sanchez, and Wilson all hit arb next year. It won’t be as much money as you think.
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Not only that
Somebody’s gotta be the opening day catcher. If the Giants don’t think Posey is ready, they need a veteran to start for a couple of months and (most likely) back up Posey after he’s called up. It doesn’t make much sense to sign a real starting caliber player for that role, but if we could get Molina back for a one year arb deal, I’d rather have him than a Gregg Zaun.
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I am advocating arbitration. Why? I don’t want Bengie for any more than one year, but also because we can’t be sure Buster is ready for the bigs yet. If he agrees to arbitration, he can tutor Buster whenever he gets called up next year. If he doesn’t and signs with someone else by the deadline, the Giants get picks. If that happens, I am sure there are plenty of “journeyman” catchers that would be happy to sign a one year deal for less than Bengie wants and that will help bridge the gap until the Giants are sure Buster is ready
if I were to guess, it would be that what you wrote is exactly what will happen. They’ll offer arb and he’ll accept it and get one last big pay day and keep the plate warm for Buster who will be up by June 1 or so and Bengie will be relegated to time-splitter, OR, he’ll walk and we’ll sign Greg Zaun or a Zaun clone.
Maybe they could deal whoever it is before the deadline if Posey has earned the job by then.
I just don’t see Molina as a tutor kinda guy despite his comments. He’s clearly threatened by Posey’s rise through the system and still sees himself as an everyday starting catcher. That he wants a 2-year deal shows that he isn’t likely a fit for the Giants after 2009.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 21, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Here the list of FA catchers according to mlbtraderumors. Plenty of guys on there would be acceptable starters for a few months and then a backup if Buster is ready so I guess I don’t really mind either way if Bengie stays or goes, I just want it to be limited to one year if he stays
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34)
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33) – club option
Henry Blanco (38)
Ramon Castro (34)
Sal Fasano (38)
Toby Hall (34)
Ramon Hernandez (34) – $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Kendall (36)
Jason LaRue (36)
Victor Martinez (31) – $7.7MM club option with a $250K buyout
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) – $3.25MM mutual option
Mike Redmond (39)
Ivan Rodriguez (38)
Brian Schneider (33)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) – $4MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Javier Valentin (34)
Jason Varitek (38) – $5MM club/$3MM player option plus incentives
Vance Wilson (37)
Gregg Zaun (39) – $2MM club option with a $500K buyout
A lot of suck there but probably suck that we could get for one year on the cheap.
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Agreed. I think Pudge is a worthy argument against keeping Bengie though. He doesn’t make crap this year so he will definitely get a big raise, but i kinda like the idea of having one of the greatest defensive catchers ever teaching Buster something. I wonder if he would accept a part-time role though. I seem to remember him wanting to leave the Tigers and Yankees because he doesn’t like splitting time
I’m a little worried having the best people at something teach to young guys, since who knows how much of that was built of pure talent, which the young guys might not have.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
This.
The greats have largely proven to be inept teachers. Either because their natural talents made up for fundamental flaws which their pupils could never overcome, or because they lack the patience to work with lesser talent (I suspect this is Rick Barry’s failing, after pissing off everyone of course).
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Definitely possible, but if he costs half as much as Bengie, would you rather have Buster study him or someone else on that list? Of the 10-15 on that list that are likely to hit the FA market, one of them already was Pudge’s understudy. I think its more of a question of if he is willing to play that role. He didn’t when he was younger, but who knows now
I could totally see the Giants signing Kendall.
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it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world...
right. I’m aware of the draft pick situation, and that is a good reason to offer him arb, but it seems that lately teams don’t offer arb unless they’re positive the player will reject it. I just don’t want him to accept it. He’d be overpaid and I’m not sure I can take another year of Bengie at cleanup. Anyway, if he’s there, he’d be blocking Posey for the entire year. It’d be a waste to pay all that money (to Money!) to a guy who is a backup.
Of course, a lot will depend on what the Giants do with the GM/Manager situation, but my guess is that both guys are back for another couple years and that means Bengie will be back as well for at least one year.
I guess the bottom line for me is that I don’t like watching him anymore and I think he’ll cost more in arbitration than he will get on the FA market. Having it cost a draft pick to sign him really negates his value.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 21, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If Bengie leads the Giants into thinking he’ll reject arbitration and then accepts it, Sabean is just the sort of GM to trade him purely out of vindictiveness at the first opportunity. And he’d mouth off to the press about Bengie’s “feelings being hurt” when rumors start circulating.
Come to think of it, I kind of want to see this happen.
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If Bochy is the manager
I definitely don’t want arb offered. Can’t trust him to handle the Posey/Molina time split correctly. I’d hate for Posey to ride the pine here because Bochy wants to go with veteran sav.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 21, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
I'm not worried about that.
It’s not like he was benching Sandoval to give Aurilia playing time this season. It’s the marginal guys who are at risk of Bochy messing them around, not the high profile callups – and Posey will be, if anything, a higher profile debut than Sandoval.
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I don't know...
During Spring Training, I heard Bochy was thinking of benching Lincecum to get the more experienced Yabu in the rotation.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 21, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
What do you think Bochy would have done if Sandoval had not done so well last year? Or, let’s say this year was Pablo’s first year without the cup of coffee last year. If he started the season slow, how much patience would he have had?
You’re probably right but I can’t say I’d be 100% comfortable with the situation.
by AngelWillSaveUs on Aug 21, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I’d guess Pablo still would’ve gotten at least as much rope as Burriss did, which was about 2 1/2 months.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 21, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
look like a douche
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 21, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I will cry
If Bengie Molina plays for the Giants next year. Similar to how Molina will cry if they move him from cleanup, or pinch run for him, or sit him a day, or pinch hit for hiim, or bring up Posey, or tell him he is a big man, or step on his foot, or talk to him in a harsh tone, etc.
bengie is a good catcher
but not the greatest receiver. i think he loses some strikes for his pitchers with the way he catches the ball. that being said, we can probably find just as good of a “catching” catcher on the cheap, and heck, he may even have the ability to draw walks.
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 22, 2009 12:09 AM PDT reply actions
Outside The Box Thinking
My view is the Giants should offer Bengie a two year contract but it should be a very unique and creative contract. Bengie should be told that signing the contract means he is agreeing to train his replacement and accept a backup role as soon as Giants management believes his replacement has become the best option to start for the team. The contract should pay Bengie the starter dollars he is acustomed to in the first year with the second year being a dual option where the team first has the option to renew him at the starter salary he is acustomed to and if the team declines to do he has the option to renew at a backup salary.
If Bengie is agreeable to this I would then have Buster Posey learn to play LF (easiest new defensive position to learn requiring the least amount of mental effort) as well as continue to work on his catching skills with Bengie as his tutor. I personally have zero doubt the Buster could be a league average defensive and offensive LF immediately. If this all works out as I suggest then our opening day 2010 lineup could be:
Aaron Rowand CF (I like Rowand here as it seems to take the pressure off and stops him from being a pull happy double playing and strikeouting machine)
Freddy Sanchez 2B
Buster Posey LF
Pablo Sandoval 3B
Nate Schierholtz RF
Bengie Molina C
Ryan Garko 1B
Edgar Renteria SS
If the Giants did this they would have no need to carry a dedicated backup catcher since their starting LFer would be the primary backup and their starting 3B and 1B can catch too. This would allow the Giants to carry the following bench:
Ishikawa 1B
Bowker OF/1B (trade Fred Lewis)
Torres OF
Velez OF/2B
Uribe SS/2B/3B (re-sign Juan and trade Frandsen)
Finally, while I would disagree with Bochy (as most of us do now ) it wouldn’t kill me (or the Giants offense) if Bruce were to continue to hit Molina 4th moving Sandoval back to 3rd and Buster to 6th. The net result would still be an acceptable offense in my judgement.
I have no doubt that Buster has the physical tools to play LF, but I really don’t think his offensive production would be “league average.” LF is where most teams stick their defensively challenged guys that are good hitters. I have no idea where to look it up, but I would guess league average for LF is somewhere around .300 average, 20-25 homers, 75-85 RBI. Although that would be a definite improvement for the Giants, I think that is expecting way too much from a 22 year old. I think the Giants would be better off letting him focus on learning one position where his numbers will be above average
I Think Buster Would Put Up An .800+ OPS In MLB If Given The Chance Right Now.
Next year I think he has a real shot to join the Panda in the .900+ range. Buster will be a true middle of the order hitter at the MLB level in my judgement.
by giantsrainman on Aug 22, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
If that’s the case then he should be catching right now for us.
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I do however think we would be better off right now with him as our starting LF and backup catcher and with Whiteside back in Fresno and Velez back in the super utility role.
by giantsrainman on Aug 22, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe not, but there’s no way the damage he would cause could make up for the insane difference between his bat and Molina’s.
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You Just Don't Get How Disruptive To Team Chemisty Benching The Team Leader Would Be.
The pitchers would be effected the most but the rest of the team would be effected as well. Such a move would demonstate a complete ignorance of how to manage and motivate people. You could not justify to the rest of the team the benching of Molina for a not only un proven but not yet even MLB tested rookie no matter how great the outlook for this rookie to perform is.
by giantsrainman on Aug 22, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like a full month and change in Spring Training should be enough for Buster to learn the Giants pitchers (just like, you know, free agent catchers generally have a month and change to learn their new pitchers when they sign with a new team.)
Under no circumstances do I want him moved so far down the defensive spectrum immediately. If he’s not catching in the majors, he should be in the minors. Period. There’s no way he’ll learn how to catch as well by playing LF in the majors and “learning” from Molina (lolol) as he will by playing catcher in the minors.
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If he’s not catching in the majors, he should be in the minors
. Period. Abso-fucking-lutely. I’ve never heard anybody suggest that a good way to develop an elite catching prospect is by having him play LF in the majors. Score one for inside the box thinking
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 22, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
40 - 50 Starts At Catcher In MLB Under The Guidence Of Molina And Bochy Would Help His Development More Then AAA
I see no reason why he could not (or even should not ) start 100 – 110 games in LF and 40 – 50 at C to get his bat in the lineup now. His offense is ready and these 40-50 games would help his defensive development more then another year in AAA. I was not kidding when I said I think we could get another midddle of the order hitter in the lineup now by doing this and this time the middle of the order hitter would have patience too. Unfortunately I don’t think this will happen becuase of the same inability you and jponry are showing on Giants management’s behalf to be able to think beyond conventional wisdom.
by giantsrainman on Aug 22, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
you have had a lot of bad ideas, but this one is by far the worst you (or anybody else in the world for that matter) have ever had.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 22, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? Just Because You Say So?
Address my arguements or make some of your own as you prove nothing by just making claims.
by giantsrainman on Aug 22, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
much like I don’t argue with people on BART trains, I’m not going to fall into this trap
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 22, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's rather wasteful to put him in LF, frankly.
It really strikes me as a “last resort” type move if the team can’t find a better solution between free agency and the trade market. The offensive difference between Bengie and a reasonably competent left fielder is so great that it’s hard to see it outweighing any early-season growing pains suffered by Posey on D, particularly if the Giants went out and got one of the many, many competent veteran backups/tutors available on the FA market this offseason. His only advantage over such a FA is his familiarity with the staff, something which I think is pretty overrated; we’ve seen a parade of veteran FA catchers come through San Francisco since the mid-ninties with no discernable ill effect on the pitching staff; heck, we’ve seen a rotating door of minor league backup catchers come through ATT without serious signs of struggle. And, lets be completely realistic here, the chances of Molina blissfully accepting a diminished role as a part-time starter and teacher is essentially zero, and he’s almost certain to be unhappy with such a situation even if the market were to force him to accept such a conditional re-signing. If we’re looking for a veteran to caddy for Posey, we’d be much better off bringing in an experienced caddy like a Gregg Zaun, Mike Redmond, Henry Blanco, or even Bengie’s brother Jose; it’s hard for me not to see a split time scheme with a guy like Bengie Molina who is still expecting to start 130+ games not devolving into either an acrimonious campaign for PT or a banishment of Posey from behind the dish. Nobody likes to train their replacement unless they’ve already got a foot out the door.
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The Likely Alternative Is Someone Like Dye In LF And Molina Still Catching
The tea leafs are telling me that bringing back Bengie is likely because the Giants don’t want to trust the role of primary catcher to a rookie in what they expect to be another run at the post season. I find what I suggest to be preferabe to what I think is likely to happen otherwise.
by giantsrainman on Aug 24, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
If you think this, please do not say it will be because he can learn under the guidance of Molina. I don’t want Molina teaching him shit about catching.
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You Can Bitch All You Want To ABout Bengie's Lack Of Patience At The Plate
but, you are just being silly when you bitch about him behind the plate.
by giantsrainman on Aug 24, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
He has trouble framing low pitches, and blocking high ones.
I blame his use of knee-savers and weight respectively. He also tends to be inflexible in his pitch calling, particularly wrt calling fastballs, this, IMO, leads to issues with pitchers who have below average fastballs.
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The Giants Pitchers Are Doing Just Fine With Him
and his PB rate, WP rate, and SB rate are all above league average. Perfect behind the plate he ain’t, but abouve league average and a good tutor for Buster Posey he is.
by giantsrainman on Aug 24, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
There are many differences between competence at one's job and the ability to teach it
Primary among them in this case: desire. There’s no motive for Bengie to “tutor” the guy who is going to rtake his job, quite the opposite, actually. What little eveidence we have (Bengie’s reaction after Sabean untactfully pointed out his age upon draftaing Posey, and his comment when Sandoval recieved regular time behind the plate last season) point to him being a terrible choice for Posey’s tutor. This isn’t a guy who is likely to accept the diminished role you are asking of him.
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