Why I Still Believe in John Bowker
by Grant on Aug 18, 2009 2:21 PM PDT
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Word association game. I’ll start.
John Bowker
Okay. Now your response, if you will…
Todd Linden
That’s just wrong. I would have accepted "Bowkermania." Maybe even religious studies. But bringing up a busted outfield prospect from the past: not appropriate. It’s apples to oranges. Llamas to alpacas. Just stop. The numbers were totally different:
Todd Linden, age 25, 2005: .324/.441/.690, 30 HR, 77 BB, 95 K, 336 AB
John Bowker, age 26, 2009: .345/.452/.622, 21 HR, 73 BB, 57 K, 325 AB
Totally different. Bowker has 325 at-bats to date, and Linden finished his season with 336. That’s like the difference between Stargate: Atlantis and Stargate: Barstow.
Alright. Maybe the unexpected seasons are a little similar. And Linden burned up upon reentering the atmosphere, settling in as a burned husk somewhere within the bowels of AAA, so why shouldn’t we expect the same from Bowker?
My best answer: Linden’s season was a typical Linden season, it was just more Lindeny. Bowker’s season is the product of a reworked approach and a focus on plate discipline.
Yeah. That’s all I got. That, and a gut feeling. But I’ve written about the Giants for almost seven full years now, and every time I write something in passing like "Boy, Player Q would be a fantastic player if he knew the difference between a strike zone and an Edsel," I never expect the player to actually develop plate discipline. Bowker took some advice from someone who’s probably on a Giants organizational blacklist right now, the advice worked, and now Bowkermania is running wild on AAA.
And, of course, when Bowker got 30+ at-bats to prove his new approach would translate to the major league level, he corkscrewed himself into the ground swinging at awful, awful sliders. We’re not talking about sliders that started just off the plate before breaking out of the strike zone; these were sliders that started at Bowker’s shoes, tilled the soil, and had to be thrown out of play after the umpire inspected the ball. So when we play that word association game, we can only throw out one name in association to Bowker. Great AAA stats + lackluster MLB results + Giants outfield prospect = Todd Linden, from now until the end of time.
I reject that hypothesis. I still believe. This isn’t Lance Niekro, whapping out a .660 slugging percentage to help make up for his six walks , like he did in 2006. This is different. Because I say so. So instead of thinking of Todd Linden, here’s another name to put in your mind:
Much better. Cruz was organizationally yo-yoed with the best of them. He’d crush AAA, and flail in the majors. They’d send him down, and he’d crush AAA. Then he’d flail in the majors. Over and over, until Cruz finally settled in as a pretty nice corner outfielder. He isn’t going to garner any MVP votes, but the Rangers are glad they finally stuck with him.
The only way Bowker helps this year’s team is if he flukes into an 8-for-10 stretch over a couple of games. Then he’ll have to sustain his "hot bat" for a couple more games, and then he’d be starting material. Hooray for the player evaluation process of the Giants! But this post is more a manifesto for the future. I can take or leave Fred Lewis, as I don’t think he’ll ever hit for enough power to be an above-average corner outfielder. Nate Schierholtz might put it all together to become Garret Anderson’s prime, but the odds are against him.
Bowkermania, though, is real. Because I say so. I’m hoping one of the 2010 outfield spots goes to him.
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I really want Bowker to have an extended chance in the big leagues but can’t figure out where to put him. At the moment we have Lewis, Schierholtz, Winn, and Velez rotating in the corner outfield spots. I dunno, man.
by Natto on Aug 18, 2009 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
sit the gritty, class, gamerific vets
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by ringleader3 on Aug 18, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t worry. Bochy will find ways to sit them.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotating corner outfield spots?
More like Velez and Winn with Lewis and Schierholtz rotating seats on the bench
by FireBrianSabean on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably would make a great politician
if he can continue to get people to pull for his charade
by JesseSeg on Aug 18, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn you
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Aug 18, 2009 2:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring up Bowker and DFA butterfinger Lewis for the love of g-d. Whats it gonna take Sabochy????
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by Mordy From Monsey on Aug 18, 2009 2:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let’s drop one of the more productive hitters the Giants have had this season.
by Natto on Aug 18, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants hitters who are out-hitting Fred Lewis
- Pablo Sandoval
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Nate? Same OPS. 1/3 as many Ks. Hits w/ RISP. More RBIs in 60 less ABs. Only downside is he doesn’t walk and catches the balls that hit his mitt
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also swings at pitches that hit him which provides some comic relief
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by SF Pete on Aug 18, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t compare him to Lewis. I just said he’s not that good.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
he’s pretty solid (defense included), and pretty much the 2nd best OF on the roster.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
being the 2nd best OF’er on this roster doesn’t make him good though. We should try to upgrade the spot in the offseason for sure.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
being the 2nd best OF’er on this roster doesn’t make him good though.
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by delorean on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried this argument once. Nobody seemed to care.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just really don’t see how people who think Winn (before this year) made a solid contribution to the team in RF could possibly be down on Nate.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, SSS for the defensive numbers so far. Grant’s made the point before that we should be a little wary of player’s with too much value stemming from their UZR.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
but I just don’t see anything about his defense that tells me the numbers are way off. I mean, sure, they’re off. There’s no way he’s actually a 2.5 win (or whatever he’s at now) defender over a full season, but I could easily see him equaling Winn’s defensive value.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked pretty shaky in his first couple weeks out there, and UZR still loved him and stuck with him through it.
Ultimately, I agree. He looks like a plus defender to me, but I could see being a little wary.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not against Schierholtz starting for the rest of the year, but we should try to find an upgrade in the offseason. He has nice value as a defensive player but I don’t see his upside offensively. This team isn’t good enough to not have offense from 3 of the 4 corner spots.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s okay now, and 25 year olds get better. This team isn’t good enough to chase “proven” hitters at the expense of cheap young players who might develop.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but how much better?
If he hits .320 he’s a good player, if he hits below .300, he’s a shitty player. That’s what happens when you don’t walk. He doesn’t have Pablos contact rate or power to make up for the lack of walks. And when you have an O-swing of 36.4%, the whole “he’ll learn how to walk” theory kinda seems like a stretch.
I have no problem with giving young talent a chance to develop at the major league level, but we’re not talking about high level talent. These guys are fringy prospects that really wouldn’t sniff a starting spot on a good team.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
youneverknow
Players can get more selective. They can hit more home runs. He’s not necessarily a finished product after 400 big-league plate appearances.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His minor league track record says the likely hood of him becoming more selective is very small. We should look to upgrade RF in the offseason.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's available?
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
needs to be pretty solidly above league average, defense included, and would not break the bank (relative to value added).
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not happening. The only above average FA is Holliday, and he’s getting a ton of money.
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both LFs anyways.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holliday could probably play RF if we wanted him to.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the point I would like to make, so I will. If one accepts that Nate and Fred are pretty equal offensively, then Nate surpasses Fred with his much better defense AND the fact that he plays RF. It’s easier to find a big bat if you have an opening in LF than if you’re trying to fill a hole in RF.
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by Goofus on Aug 18, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I would prefer Nate to be the everyday RF, and get an upgrade over Lewis in LF. Lewis has value as a backup IMO
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT NATE’S AN AWESOME PINCHHITTER! IT’s fact!
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by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, I think Nate could make the move to LF pretty easily if needed. I’d be scared as hell of Lewis trying to move to RF.
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by Goofus on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not going to be an FA.
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Crawford, Matt Holliday(if we’re willing to break the bank), somebody through trade(J.D. Drew?). The trade options should be a little more clear in the offseason.
My main point is, we currently have 3B, 1B, 2B, SS and CF locked through next year. If we’re going to upgrade any spots, it has to RF and LF.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JD Drew
DNW
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by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How would Nancy be an upgrade?!??!
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we can’t, really. Throw more prospects to other teams and give up rebuilding?
Play Bowker Nate and Fred next year and hope for the best, they have shown some ability, find out what it truly is, while waiting for Posey, Neal, and Bumgarner.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to step away from the computer
because the whole “hope for the best” strategy is driving me so fucking insane, especially since we’re talking about fringy prospects.
We have money invested in to every position but the corner outfield spots. Buster Posey is going to be our catcher. We only have 2 spots to upgrade. If you don’t upgrade those two spots, we’re basically coming back with the same god damn offense + Posey.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+NEAL!!!
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s why I’m in favor of upgrading RF.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With who/what? Guillen?
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by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nvm, Guillen isn’t a FA. But the FA group is not very good.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
because the whole "hope for the best" strategy is driving me so fucking insane,
But you’re ALWAYS hoping for the best. If you spend a jillion dollars on Matt Holliday, you’re hoping he will defy the laws of aging, or at least win you a championship in the couple of years before he becomes an overpriced liability. If you trade for J.D. Drew, you’re hoping he stays healthy, and that no one you traded turns into a star. Etc.
There are plenty of better options than Schierholtz, sure. But he’s not a terrible option, and the team only has so many resources.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have nate than nancy drew
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, these single-column threads get hard to follow.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
still preferable to the other way imo. And it’s not too bad if you’re set to wide.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by ResDog on Aug 18, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t let Garko’s presence stop us from a shot at a serious 1B upgrade either. It’s not that much money.
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by Roger on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, plz
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My main point is, we currently have 3B, 1B, 2B, SS and CF locked through next year. If we’re going to upgrade any spots, it has to RF and LF.
I see it as just the opposite. Along with catcher and wherever Pablo’s playing, corner outfield is one of the few spots where we have good young talent. So I’d focus on improving the other positions.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have money or prospects(Garko) invested in to every one of those spots. We are not going to bench Renteria and his 9 M dollars next year. We have 2 spots to upgrade or we are coming back with the same offense.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
not true
Nate > Winn this year. BOOM instant upgrade
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Bowker’s going to be an upgrade, Posey will be an upgrade eventually, Sanchez will be here all year, Garkokawa could get better, Renteria will rebound somewhat, etc.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell
Garkokawa WILL get better. .212 BABIP!!!!!
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't win an award for BABIP
therefore bullshit pussy stat
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by delorean on Aug 18, 2009 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What stat did Palmiero win his Gold Glove for that year he was almost always DHing? I just want to make sure I know what stats I’m allowed to cite from now on…
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grittiness and Gamertude Above Replacement Player (GGARP)
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOUNDS LIKE PUSSY ASS BULLSHIT 2 ME!
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think “centimeters dialated” is more of a pussy stat.
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by Goofus on Aug 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If I could
both rec and and flag this, I would.
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see how far right this responding can go!
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by Chulk on Aug 18, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could easily see him posting steady 100 -5 OPS. Very much like Winn, with lower OBP, but higher SLG.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hidden value for Schierholtz: As word gets around about his super-plus arm, runners will stop trying to take extra bases on him. Just by being out there, he’ll prevent the extra base on certain occasions. Or he’ll make a third-base coach think twice about sending someone home. With the Giants pitching staff and its strong K-abilites, keeping runners on third is still a good way to prevent them from scoring.
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by leftymalo on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
they don’t have a stat for that yet, but it’s a definite plus
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OOOO shiny
I didn’t know that.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, if they’ll learn not to run, his value will go down, not up. Otherwise they would have no reason not to run.
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
? If they don’t run, that means they have to find other means of scoring. If having Nate in RF means that runners won’t try to score from second on singles, that’ll give our pitchers extra chances to get outs.
How will that decrease his value? I’d be more comfortable letting the pitcher try to get an out than taking the chance on throwing the guy out at home.
by quincy0191 on Aug 18, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be more comfortable letting the pitcher try to get an out than taking the chance on throwing the guy out at home.
In that case, why would they stop running? If running is good for them, it’s bad for us. If it’s bad for them, it’s good for us. It can’t be good for both of us and them.
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
UZR is fine
it’s just not accurate for <2 whole seasons. Variance is very high +/- 10 R/150 or so. Winn has been very solid in RF for 3 years. I wonder if RF in AT&T is easy to play if you have legs. Alou was terrible, but everyone else has been good (except Schierholtz rookie season where he was average)
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the 421’ in right-center, I doubt it. RF has to play way off the line to help neutralize that somewhat, which lets hitters grab those doubles down the line. A strong arm out there is huge, because it’s a lot deeper than other parks, so Nate is more valuable than a guy like Winn (though Winn’s arm is decent).
by quincy0191 on Aug 18, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being the 1st best outfielder on this roster doesn’t make him good either.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes him a gamer though
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s mathematically impossible but I feel like we’ve got four 2nd best outfielders
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like you're being charitable
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by delorean on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are much better LF upgrades. Who were you thinking of in RF?
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say something through trade, but I really can’t trust Sabean with that. I would say something through free agency but theres really nothing there, unless Matt Holliday can play RF(which I think he can). So basically, we’re screwed.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upgrade with what, though? The FAs suck, it would take a trade. There are no good FA RFs. Holliday would be an upgrade, but he’s a LFer.
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by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say Jason Bay
But now that I check he’s a LF too.
He’s also not going anywhere.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I thought we were rebuilding. There are clearly no good RF options, so we would need to trade, which would certainly require good prospects. Why not play Bowker Nate and Freddy next year, see how far they can take us.
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by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowker in left, Nate in right, Lewis as a bench player?
I like this but where does that leave Velez? Assuming he keeps up the hot bat… Besides, the money saved on Winn, Molina, Aurilia, Roberts, and etc. will have to be spent on someone past their prime, preferably in front of Posey or any other promising prospect.
by MoreroidsforZito on Aug 18, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Velez? IF he CAN keep up his hitting, trade him for a decent backup at 3rd and/or 2nd. Uribe shouldn’t be counted on for another year.
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by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where'd all the Nhaters come from?
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs player value
Fred Lewis: +1.0 batting, +3.7 Fielding
Nate Schierholtz: -1.3 batting, +4.8 fielding
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he walked, Nate wouldnt be half bad
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate has much less time this season as well I believe.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
88 fewer PAs
Since his offense is in the negatives, though, that doesn’t really help the overall picture.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but how many fewer innings in the field
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis: 547.1
Schierholtz: 415.0
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
I could have sworn there was a bigger desparity. Hmm
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nevermind
I read schierholtz’s innings as 475 for some reason
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do they figure the batting values? Seems like Nate’s .350 w/ RISP would make up a lot of ground compared to Fred’s .200. I didn’t think he would still be a negative value. Didn’t think it would be way positive, but at least positive
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not in there.
For the most part, RISP is really not a skill, dude, sorry.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll remember that next time I see a strikeout looking with runners on 2nd and 3rd
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you only you would.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh
if only you would, rather.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/rocks out
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
just wow. Go listen to damon bruce or something
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Park-adjusted wOBA. Batting average with RISP doesn’t factor into the equation.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What you’re looking for is WPA. Lewis still comes out ahead. It turns out getting on base is a crucial part of scoring runs.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
WPA is a counting stat, so extra playing time factors in.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
But Fred is positive and Nate is negative, so more PT for Nate wouldn’t necessarily be a good thing by this measure.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
with all the PH I wouldn’t have figured that to be the case.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness to Nate
It is -10 WPA when you swing at a pitch that hits you, so he’s been climbing out of a deep hole all year.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL TROLL
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BANHAMMAH
SWING IT MIGHTILY, MODFATHERS
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CUE SARCHASM IMAGE
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it impossible that Nate couldn’t turn around those numbers? This is, after all, his first full season with regular(hah) playing time.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not, he certainly could improve and I would probably expect him to. I have no issues with Nate, just with the irrational and disproportionate Freddy hate.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT HEZ CANT CATCHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes this, a thousand times this
I like Nate Schierholtz. He’s pretty okay. But Fred Lewis is also okay.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hate Fred either. I just hate the fact that Nate can’t figure out how to crack Bochy’s lineup, despite showing he’s better than Winn.
But let me ask, who do you honestly trust more on defense, Nate or Fred? I just want to know.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t know yet. I’d need to see both play more to really gauge. Nate’s clearly got the better arm, and so far his defensive numbers are great, but it’s a way too small sample to say anything. And it’s not like Nate looks that great when he’s tracking down a flyball.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless you get on base via the walk, THAT’S cheating!
by Merope on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not outhitting Lewis, but I think he’s been pretty okay all around.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. He has done well enough that I’d be happy to hand him the everyday job next year and hope for the best.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schierholtz, Bowker, Velez, Lewis. We’ve got 2 corner OFs amongst those four. Whoever it is, is just keeping the job warm for Thomas Neal anyway.
I hope we spend the money on a good infielder or SP.
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I got like 60 angry responses, but no real arguments that suggest I’m wrong (clutch stats in less than half a season’s worth of sample size are less than meaningless).
Regarding the whole “we should look for a better corner OF in the offseason” thingy – well, yeah, I guess, but that’s not really relevant to the fact that right now Fred is one of the best hitters on the team, and therefore DFAing him would be incredibly stupid (which is the argument I was responding to). And he should be starting against RHP. I am, on the other hand, fine with him never getting an a single PA against LHP until the day he retires.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With a 3.7 UZR.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear to the god, the fact that so many people are all OMG FRED SUX HE DROPPED THAT BALL THAT MOST LEFT FIELDERS WOULDN’T EVEN REACH DFA DFA DFA , and yet many of those same people are completely convinced Velez is a great player because of one hot stretch that came after he posted a sub-.800 OPS in the freaking PACIFIC COAST LEAGUE in his LATE TWENTIES is enough to make me have to use my A.K. Please stop. I want to say it was a good day.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RAGE!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Aug 18, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got to live the gimmick every now and then. Otherwise I’ll get stuck with another meme, and look how that worked out for WalrusMan.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, I also called a guy stupid earlier this afternoon, so I’ve probably fulfilled my RAGE duties for the week already.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's something to jponry and jcb9 would appreciate
http://www.statcorner.com/team.php?team=SFN&year=2009&leag=N_L
Of all the Giants position starters with 200 AB or more, Pablo Sandoval, Aaron Rowand, and Fred Lewis are the only 3 players above league average and in the Green. Fred Lewis is 2nd.
Think about that.
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bengie Molina, on the other hand
Negative 10.0 bRAA. The only player worse is Edgar Renteria and Emmanuelle Burriss.
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
emmanuelle
made me lol
/dirty boy
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you did there.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it was an apt mistake
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In retrospect, my response to that “For it to be a good trade it has to be good for both teams” thing should have been “And I’m done”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell you what
I’ll bring my flamethrower and you drive the getaway car. Because I’m with you.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For starters, your OF has to know how to catch a damn ball, something mr lewis finds elusive…Furthermore based on your train of thought Jeremy Affeldt should be playing LF
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
U SEE JEREMY AFFELDT IS 1/2 THIS YEAR W/ 1.000 OPS
SICK BURN!!!!!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know on what train of thought this is based but it’s definitely not mine.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr F…you are a shithead.
F-CK YOU DODGER BLUE
by Batpuller on Aug 18, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
You are truly worthless. Your one post at Pinstripe Alley got you banned there. I can only hope this gets you banned here.
What the fuck is up with all these idiots showing up all of a sudden? Did someone link here from YouTube comments (topical!).
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, don’t wait around. Just go ahead and insult long-time regular commenters (and a mod no less!) with your third comment. I’m sure you’ll be a big hit here.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh g_d
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 18, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jpon meltdown in 3...2.....
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See above
I already handled that.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know
I just had to post in anyways.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really would be so happy if our starting 2010 outfield was:
Bowker LF
Rowand CF
Schierholtz RF
Let Lewis/Velez/Torres fight it out for the two bench positions, and let these guys play no matter what untill the all-star break.
by OTTOMATIC on Aug 18, 2009 2:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Schierholtz? R U KIDDIN? He can’t even crack the starting lineup today…he must suck, or lack veteran savvy or gamerness or something.
Winn hitting 5th yet again.
/crushes styrofoam cup in his bare hand.
by younghutch on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, but don’t you see, that double solidified his “designated pinch hitter” status. And why wouldn’t it? It’s not like that production x 4-5 ABs/day would possibly be more valuable than 4-5 ABs/week in “clutch” situations.
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish everyone was this easy to please.
by Giant Homer on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the alternatives....
Go overpay for an old vet and have another Rowand contract on our hands. This arguement goes never stops!
First everyone wants to play the kids and now nobody would be happy if we just let Winn’s contract go away and give these guys a real shot to play? Why not see if Bowker can develop into a Holliday/Bay but only have to pay him .5M instead of 15M? If they bomb slide Flew in, if he bombs again well then address it at the trade deadline like we did with second base.
Face it, next years lineup is going to still have questions! I for one am very hopefull that we are quite on the Free Agent market in the offseason though. Let’s see if we can sign Lincecum, maybe extend F Sanchez, and keep letting the kids play.
by OTTOMATIC on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Bowker is so much better than Velez.
F-CK YOU DODGER BLUE
by Batpuller on Aug 18, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Throw him on the 4A pile and set it on fire. Not because of his 30+ at bats this season. He didn’t get a fair shake during his recent callup. More for his performance last season. I didn’t see that much of a difference in his approach.
It is easy to take walks in the minors when pitchers miss the mark by 4 feet.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowker took some advice from someone who’s probably on a Giants organizational blacklist right now, the advice worked, and now Bowkermania is running wild on AAA.
Hensley Meulens!
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so what are the Giants supposed to do? Call him up right now and have him be the 6th best OF on the team?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 18, 2009 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Until he knows how to lay off the down and in slider he’s a AAAA player.
by Orwell D. Catt on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost certainly
It would probably help to get a steady stream of them to correct this problem though.
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@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bowker just swung and missed...
at this image
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post how unlucky he must have been while he was up to face that many guys who threw sliders. Then I looked it up and realized the image was dated. No matter, the guy couldn’t get a hit off any type of pitch. His BABIP was .227, which was a good TV show (I don’t know, I just made that up), but a bad baseball stat. Interestingly, his ability to hit pitch types per 100 pitches is actually best against sliders. Whodathunk?
I believe in Bowker. If we are going to support the idea of using scientific evaluation to determine who is a prospect or not, then we have to consider Bowker a prospect and give him enough time to prove that what he did in AAA is not a fluke. There is no player who is a free agent next year that should be given precedent over Bowker and the $250k he will make next year.
Really I’m not worried about Bowker. I am more concerned about the negative production out of SS, C, and 1B next year. If I were running the team, I would consider eating Renteria’s salary, installing Frandsen, and finding a damn 1B who can hit without embarrassing himself with the glove – this 1B would preferably hit for lots of power and solve the 6th Mass Extinction we are currently in the midst of .
Also, one more thing as long as I am ranting: This has been stated recently, but Bochy said that Velez was playing better because he got consistent playing time. Well, how many players have the Giants not given that consideration to? Bowker, Guman, and Frandsen. This team runs on the Magic of SSS. Good thing Timmy didn’t suck at that start of his career because that would have proved that he is too small!
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 18, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I always reply to things when there is an Gameday thread. Nobody ever reads what I write.
/Sob. :(
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 18, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I'm trying to kill time at work but also avoid the thread until I can watch the game later
Not that i’ve got anything to say in reply, but, yknow. Represent!
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the pity reply.
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 18, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And no, I don’t normally monitor my posts to see if anybody thinks I’m smart because I need validation and positive reinforcement. Honest I don’t!!!
Young Studs for Old Bats: The Brian Sabean Story
FREE KEVIN FRANDSEN!!! Member of the Frandsen 5% Club.
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 18, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still want to use these in the future =/
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can still use them:
1) Bowkermania → Lincecumania
2) Bowkermania → Eugeniomania
3) Bowkermania → Cousinmania
You see where I’m going with this.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are we really going to make this a thing? cause im down.
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
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by ringleader3 on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't make these things things
They just kinda thing themselves.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/doesnt
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MANIA
is the common denominator!!!
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know what to think. Half of me says Bowkermania is dead. The other half thinks he needs everyday at bats.
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let him continue to rake in AAA until the September call-up. I would be pretty okay with a prospective 2010 OF of Bowker, Rowand, & Nate.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 18, 2009 2:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowker has nightmares about big league sliders in the dirt. Recognize them better John or you might join Todd in whatever league he’s in. I still say Giants will overpay for a FA OF this offseason with some dinger potential since they got Winn/Roberts/Molina’s money to blow.
Win the inning.
by Scooter Ellis on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nelson Cruz
Thank you for being my Pokemonz DH
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Advise for John:
Memorize the info on this link. It will come in handy in 2 years.
by Todd Linden on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have them get someone off FA in 2010
If not, have Lewis or Velez start LF with Rowand in center and Nate in right.
by Josh L on Aug 18, 2009 2:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re not going to get an outfielder on the FA unless:
a) We massively overpay
b) We sign someone who sucks
c) Both of the above
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
2010: Bowker-Rowand-Schierholtz
feels weak
by JesseSeg on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
first caucasian outfield since they moved to sf?
by seyheystretch on Aug 18, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, they prefer to be called honkies
by JesseSeg on Aug 18, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Dude, honkey is not the preferred nomenclature
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
need more crackers on the team
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
you’re not allowed to call us cracker, only we can call each other cracker.. You can say crackA, but not crackERRR
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey cracker, pass me the sun chips!
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salad is like pizza's friendly but annoying friend
salad’s fine sometimes, but once in awhile you gotta be like “look, salad, me and pizza wanna be alone..”
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like coffee and everything
but if I ever get to the point where the best part of waking up is Folgers in my cup, I’m not sure I want to wake up.
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer "person of pallor"
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by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind him starting in LF next year
until Neal is ready of course.
I’d like to see us upgrade RF through FA or trade though.
by superk1ng on Aug 18, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Worst LOLineup of the season, or the most worst?
LF Velez
SS Renteria
3B Sandoval
C Molina
RF Winn
1B Garko
CF Rowand
2B Uribe
P Lincecum
(Per Baggs. Also, Sanchez may have an owie).
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
/sigh
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren’t giving Sandoval a rest?
Please hit better, Randy Winn.
by oldjacket on Aug 18, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank-you, I was just going to ask the same question.
by Merope on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
there needs to be at least 1 bat in there for Lincecum.
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they did
This would be the worst lineup in the history of the world
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
puke
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
by SF Pete on Aug 18, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL FAILERIA HITTING 2ND!
LOL WINN HITTING 5TH!
LOLINEUP!!
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you ded dawg
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SO YOU SAY!
I BET YOU ARE YOUNGER THAN 5!
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MEET ME AT THE ATT PARK GATE
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by ringleader3 on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SEREUSLY?
U ded dawg, but what games are you availabe? Glancing at my book here, it looks like August is out, but I’m mad enough to take this into September. I will actually be in LA for that series Sept. 18-20. Could you see me then? You dont wanna see me, but could you then?
If not, just let me know and we’ll resched.
P.S.
U so f’n ded
by Giant Homer on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY IS WINN HITING 5TH?
WHY WHY WHY?
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is hurt!?!?!?!?
WHAT A SHOCKER!
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baggs just said he may be “nicked up.”
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shaving related mole accident
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by ringleader3 on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How interesting that this lineup without Schierholtz shows up in a thread mentioning Bowker’s 30 ABs. Just wait ’til Sabes signs Winn to another extension. My head will finally spin off and explode.
by out machine on Aug 18, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God what the fucking fuck
Schierholtz crushes a pitcher’s park and is then benched. I seriously want Bochy to die. Or just go away forever. I fucking hate him
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schierholtzy is our best pinch hitter so you really don’t want him starting.
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by SF Pete on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re not into the whole brevity thing…
by Giant Homer on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. Like two days after he said Nate was going to play everyday.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that’s the kiss of death for a player. Srsly.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's such a Giants thing to do
“Nate is going to start every day!”
(Randy Winn gets 3 hits)
“Never mind!”
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just have to remember...
…that the words that come out of Bochy’s mouth have no correlation to the things he actually does.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I put in the fanshot, Nate is 1/2 career vs Bailey. Winn is 1/5. They are playing in a park that gives up plenty of bombs. No logic to it
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad though the lineup is, I take comfort in knowing that Bochy isn’t choosing his players based on five-at-bat samples. Or two-at-bat samples!
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
1/2 made me laugh.
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s hitting .500 against him!!!! FIVE HUNDRED
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLOLCHY
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone logically defend this lineup, it cant possibly be done.
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Not at all.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
GRM ALERT
Wait, you said logically. Never mind.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Bias Blinds You To The Fact That Winn Doubled Yesterday
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Trust What My Eyes Tell Me And The Giants Scouts More Than Your Opinion
they obviously know what they’re talking about.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top 10 best line-up!
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be a decent lineup against a lefty, actually. Maybe Bochy thinks Bailey is left-handed.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is I actually checked after I saw the lineup. I thought I remembered Bailey was RH, but I thought I better check. Of course starting Winn against a lefty wouldn’t make a helluva lotta sense either.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timmy is pitching, so the Giants don’t need as many runs to win. It gives Bochy an opportunity to play the crap and rest the guys who should be starting?
That’s the best explanation I can think of.
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by capnk on Aug 18, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why tim is stuck on 12
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol urine
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought yesterday's lineup was the worst plausible
I see that I was mistaken.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they did score 9 runs!!!
SUSTAINABLE!
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That word – I do not think it means what you think it means.
by younghutch on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just teasin’ – ususally “possible” is used in that context instead of “plausible.”
Mostly I just like to quote the “Princess Bride”.
by younghutch on Aug 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, no I consciously used the word plausible, because obviously you could, if you really tried to make a lousy lineup, come up with something worse. But I don’t know if you could do worse and convince someone that it was the real lineup.
Then again I’m finding it hard to believe that what Baggs posted is the real lineup.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems the same as all the other ones
Really, we have only 2 lineups: ones with Panda and ones without.
Freddie Sanchez == not that good either.
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
bochy must think that when Tim’s pitching he doesn’t need help or something. I mean WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK??? The guy’s trying to a) keep us in the race and b) win a cy young, and you’re giving him THAT for offense? Bye, tim. Have fun winning 25 games a year in Boston, I’ll still root for you.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m moving back to Boston if that were the case
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh it'll happen
would you stay here if you were him? If the offense doesn’t drastically improve over the next few years he has every right to GTFO
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ǝpoldxǝ plnoʍ pɐǝɥ ʎɯ puɐ uʍop ǝpısdn uɹnʇ plnoʍ plɹoʍ ʎɯ
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how the hell did you do that??
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
used Timmy's Force powers
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the newest annoying meme out there!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fun fact: My handwriting is actually better when I write upside down than it is normally.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So why don’t you just write everything upside down and turn the paper back around when you’re done?
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it takes too much time
It looks better because I have to concentrate. But my handwriting isn’t bad enough that it’s illegible, so the niceness of that extra effort has no real value, so I don’t do it.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by ResDog on Aug 18, 2009 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce bochy
is making more this year then I’ll ever make in my life to run this fucking lineup out there on gameday. How the fuck is he employed
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
AND it’s the same crappy lineup on radio and TV!
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
IKRWTF
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whenever we talk about Linden, Bowker, Nate, Fred, it is crappy. These options are not good. Neither are Rowand or Winn. It´d be cool if we could do a keeper league, save Cain Lincecum and Pablo, start over with the rest of the team.
by Mrbasepaul on Aug 18, 2009 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
n00b meltdown alert
Good for some LOLs.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2009/8/16/991708/aj-pierzynski#19864023
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of noob meltdowns this year
Congrats to the noobs who can keep their composure
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WUT R U 5!?
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by Viliphied on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How/when did this start?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Natto on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I completely skipped over this thread
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
u ded dawg is a Elijah Dukes reference, by the way.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone was freaked out about The Stupid when the Yahoo thing came in, but it didn’t really happen then. Lately, on the other hand…
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to come and go, with The Stupid. We’ll get one or two asshats and then it’ll go back to normal. Seems like this last cycle is lasting a bit longer than the others, though.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the better the Giants do this year, the more bandwagon jumpers we’re likely to pickup. I’m sure there’s a stat for n00b over annoyance factor
by Merope on Aug 18, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I secretly hope the Giants suck for a while. It’s much nicer to be a fan when the national media doesn’t give a shit about the team, and when the bandwagoners stay away.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 19, 2009 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No racial slurs
No insults
No physical threats
And you’re golden!
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or be a funny idiot.
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by can of corn on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, we call that the Goofus Axiom.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twas really easy for me
I had 0 problem with this place when I first got here, and i attribute that fully to me not being an asshole
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then once you were established, you were finally able to be yourself!
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I learned from the best
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
im just here for knowledge and the LOLz, is that ok?
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by ringleader3 on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what got me
Irrelevant.
Over-calculated nerd-ass bullshit stats.
Wins Above Replacement?
Those are bullshit stats that an agent will take into arbitration, but players will scoff at. Ty Cobb would probably break your glasses using one finger.
Bet on a horse, Poindexter
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by CB30 on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read this and I think maybe it’s just E having a laugh.
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, E was more eloquent. At least he made good points and actually talked about things he knew about. This guy’s just acting like an ass and saying stupid shit.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, E could be crotchety at times but he was also hilarious and witty and smart. This guy is none of those things.
Plus E is not a notorious AJ trade-defender.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, there’s some good in-character stuff in there. I WAS IN THE ARMY, PUSSIES!
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah right, let me lock him in room with my 25 4&5 year olds some day when it’s been raining non stop for 2 weeks. We’ll see how many consecutive jail terms he ends up serving after the parents press charges.
by Merope on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing scares me more than children under age 6
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess if/when you want children, you’ll adopt a child at least 6.
by SFGuy on Aug 19, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
E was only insulting to Sabean and Magowan and the players on the field (and pretty much anyone associated with the Giants organization), but not really the people here.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
Really? I know he was a great writer and a very popular poster, but I’ve seen him insult more posters than pretty much any other regular.
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:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zenbitz is on line 2. He’d like a word with you.
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
udd
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn. While I feel similarly about the over reliance on stats, there are better ways to go about it. I knew that guy was a jackhole to begin with. This is an amusing development.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What amuses me most, I think, is that I’m not even much of a stathead, in part because I’m not good enough at math to successfully be one. Nerd fail!
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am laughing at this guy singling you out for the stat!geek rage.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
I let fangraphs do the heavy lifting
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or xanthan the computer
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah
I feel like I can’t totally commit to STATS when I can’t even understand the formula that determines them, though.
/got a D in Algebra II and never took a math class again.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
not me I guess. I don’t fully understand the STATS either, but I know what “average” is, and I know what “shitty” and “awesome” are, so I can ascertain a player’s worth to some sort of accurate degree anyways.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I really Fangraphs for the way they translate value into runs above or below average. Very handy, although thinking about how they do it makes my head hurt.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
When I see the formulas my eyes glaze over
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took statistics and I still look at SABR stuff and go _. Who fails more?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit that should be googly eyes
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it the money i could be saving with GEICO?
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by delorean on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm a physics grad and I don't get all of the stuff they're going on about
Though, they do seem to share Physic’s love for fairly arbitrary adjusting constants, which is nice.
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linear Weights is about as non-arbitrary as it gets.
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I wasn’t trying to smear the whole world of advanced baseball stats – far from it – more than mention that one thing statisticians like to do is add an adjusting constant if the results don’t match up with measurable reality.
In effect, this is just moving the distribution curve back and forth along the axis, which is fair enough.
In other news, I can’t believe I wrote the word Physic’s.
wee.
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"deviates from the classical norm"
Is when the theories start failing, and you start slapping band-aids everywhere….. hey, sounds like the birth of UZR
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by merkin on Aug 18, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am knocking around at the back of my head
a look at why the giants are overperforming their pythag this season. I have a totally unsubstantiated theory that some runs are worth more than others, given extremes of great pitching (specifically, <1 runs) and crappy hitting.
But like, i’ll need to get out my old textbooks, i feel. Also, might involve quantum mechanics.
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants aren’t really overperforming their pythag anymore.
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by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, were overperforming
It more interests me on a mathematical level
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can figure out the 1997 season, let me know!
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
/me busts out his 2nd order differential equations for dummies book
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by merkin on Aug 18, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the formula for Pythagorean win % can be adjusted to take into account teams that play a lot of low-scoring games.
You probably know the basic formula is
Win% = 1/(1+(RA/RS)^2)
But the exponent 2 is not accurate for teams that play a lot of low-scoring games. You can get a better one using
x = ((RS+RA)/gamesPlayed)^0.285
For the Giants that comes out to an exponent of 1.79 and you get an expected win % of 0.537, or 64 wins vs 65 actual.
Or maybe you already knew all that and were thinking about something more advanced.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When all else fails...
…manipulate the data.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 18, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one yesterday on Fan Shots?
Brilliant. To think it all started with a platypus comment.
by gvp914 on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WELCOME!!!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were creative and inviting with your approach
by gvp914 on Aug 18, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But anger ensued since I apparently insulted his intelligence and didn’t know shit about baseball.
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it a n00b or just a straight troll?
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking troll
Though I can’t be completely sure.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way
I’m amused.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
pussy ass pansy loser bitch pussies, with their pussy loser nerd stats!
Billy Ripken is not a fuck face
by Karlifornia on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
CUNT
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and in the interest of gender neutrality
dick, loser, jerk-off, ummm yeah… uh… dick, loser, jerk-off!!
by Merope on Aug 18, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
what are nate’s followers called? Theres romosexuals, fransvestites, velezbians, how can “schierholtz” be innuendo-ized?
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheer Holes?
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m trying to do something with Nasty Nate and I can’t come up with anything.
TWSS
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
MASTERNATE
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
masternaters
I think we have a winner.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could masternate right now.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YESS!!
It was staring me in the face the whole time!!!
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS!
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I set it up on purpose
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't mind if I do!
TWSS
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL TWSS DID I DOOO IT RITE GAIZ
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sgt. Nate’s Lonely Bench Warmer’s Club Band
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
schierhoes
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing Persons
See…because they miss him and he’s missing from the…
I’ll show myself out.
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by groug on Aug 18, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cracker Nuts?
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the stats are against Nate, but wait...
I’m seeing all the statistical evidence for Fred’s higher value versus Nate above, but I still persist in a Nate man-crush. “Irrational?” I ask myself. Well RISP is a category for Nate is kicking some butt. Nate RISP .350 .408 .525 .933 RISP w/2 Outs .450 .542 .700 1.242, while for Fred it’s RISP .203 .356 .339 .695, RISP w/2 outs .154 .333 .385 .718 . That’s a serious whooping. And it wasn’t better for Fred last year. I def prefer Nate, and I was tempted to say it’s because he’s more entertaining than Fred. I know that’s subjective and that wins are the bottom line, but consistently making good things happen has to count for something. RISP is a big part of that. The dagger assists from RF also count for that. Whereas Fred just comes off to me as a plodder.
If they don’t sign a corner OF I say give Bowker, Rowand (because we must), Schierholtz a solid try to start next season. Maybe Trade Fred to Billy Beane who can appreciate the numbers, but little clutch production.
by lucecooler on Aug 18, 2009 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am a masternater
also, clutch STATS are stupid and meaningless, especially in 1/2 a season
/stole that from cookyman
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you, but
Do you mean meaningless in terms of predicting future performance? Freddy’s are lousy over a season and a half, though I hear you Nate’s half season. Educate me.
Not seeing too many on the Velez bandwagon (other than “happy to see him help Giants win”), and I’m thankful for that. He’s not stealing bases and I don’t see twisting himself into the ground to hit homeruns lasting over a long stretch.
Anybody else with me on Fred’s general demeanor? Just doesn’t inspire confidence in me for some reason. I know that, too, is meaningless, but it bugs me never the less.
by lucecooler on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t care for him making excuses about dropping the ball the other day. Other than that, nothing personality-wise ever bothered me, just performance issues
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"performance issues"
he’s one of the best offensive players on the team.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think striking out almost 30% of the time is acceptable? Thats a performance issue. Love him or hate him, he has had a number of balls hit him in the mitt and fall to the ground this year. Thats a performance issue. I have issues with those parts of his performance, but nothing against him personally (minus his excuse for dropping the ball the other day.) Get it?
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I "get it"
but you don’t. He’s. One. Of. The. Best. Players. We. Have.
Hence, he should be playing. He makes mistakes, but he’s better than the other players we have RIGHT NOW. So he should be playing. I do not understand why this is hard to get.
What’s better, getting to a ball and dropping it, or not getting to a ball? Because most of the balls fred drops are balls that would just fall in on any other LF.
And strikeouts don’t interest me. Mark Renoylds Ks all the fucking time, would you not take him?
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can’t he catch them though? Does the fact he can get to them and drop them make him better?
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 18, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Range and surehandedness are both good qualities to have, but range is a lot more valuable – the number of extra balls you get to with good range more than makes up for a marginal difference in the percentage of balls you catch.
That’s why Derek Jeter is an awful defensive shortstop.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn’t make him better, but it also doesn’t make him worse than another left-fielder who wouldn’t even get to the ball.
People really seem to have a hard time grasping a simple concept.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
egggsactly
and it might actually make him better, since getting to a ball means you keep it in front of you, which could save extra bases
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Lewis haters should be forced to spend a week watching guys like Adam Dunn and Pat Burrell in the outfield. Learn what a truly bad outfielder looks like.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My comment had nothing to do with whether he should be playing or not. Look at the question about his demeanor that I hit the ‘REPLY’ button to. I said I didn’t have anything against it, but do have issues with his performance. Which I do, and you apparently thought I needed to expand on them by throwing out your opinion again that he should be playing
I get you love him and think he should be playing, but that has nothing to do with the question I responded to. Get it now?
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same reason everyone was so stupid
for saying Arod wasn’t “clutch”, as if it wasn’t totally obvious that he was one of the 3 best players in the league. “Clutch” is such a small sample size that some guys are going to get lucky in those situations more than others are. Its ridiculous to judge someone solely on that, or their “demeanor” for that matter. Lewis is one of the best offensive players on the team this year, and whatever the state of the offense, the FACT is that he’s one of the best we have, so he should be playing.
IMO it’s the same with Schierholtz. I do not get the logic in sitting these guys. Is Velez really going to be a good player? Hell no, he just had a hot spell that is going to wear off, but management is too fucking stupid to realize that soon enough.
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your last paragraph :-)
I’ll band together with you on Velez and that Nate should be playing. I’ll strike a deal with you and say Nate and Lewis should be playing. Heh.
Point taken on A-Rod. Though I don’t know its impossible that some guys pucker a bit with the pressure on. I’ll bow to your logic when push comes to shove I think. With the demeanor thing, I know I’m hanging myself out there on that.
by lucecooler on Aug 18, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible that some guys get a little tight under pressure
but I don’t think it should really be taken into account when deciding who to play. The best player should play, period. “clutch” sitations are a very small fraction of a baseball game
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about in the pennant race or playoffs, when it's all clutch?
Joe Torre clearly thought so when he dropped aRod to 8th in the order.
I understand that luck plays a huge factor in seeming clutch or not, but if a dude consistently underperforms in a given situation (like, say, close and late) over the course of his career, I have a hard time declaring the numbers meaningless. Maybe I’m just a stat nerd pussy bitch. Or maybe not enough of one. Emotion is part of the game, and so-called clutch stats (imperfectly, but try to) measure its influence. The guy who leads off the sixth inning of a 8-1 game in April is not the same guy as the one coming up in October trailing 6-3 in the ninth with the bases loaded and two outs.
But whether you measure with your head or your gut, you can’t tell me there’s a lot of Yankee fans who would choose aRod to take the at-bat for all the marbles. Dude’s not clutch. We know it, he knows it, he knows we know it. So he presses and feebly Ks on a pitch he’d have destroyed in April.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 18, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Torre is an idiot
So are Yankee fans. Arod’s “clutch” numbers actually aren’t that far off from his career numbers. I really wish FJM was around so people who make arguments like this could see just how wrong they are. Clutch does not exist.
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by bondslegend on Aug 19, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
read this, and discover why FJM was the second-greatest baseball blog ever
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by bondslegend on Aug 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bit aboud Arod is toward the bottom
but I recommend reading the whole thing
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by bondslegend on Aug 19, 2009 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The RISP didn’t fly for me above either. Sorry
I do like seeing Nate unleash the cannon. Kinda like watching Franceur toy with runners
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like when Ishi PWND him yesterday!
LOL franceour
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was worth a shot.
I don’t know what else to post on now that Joe Mart is in the rotation.
by lucecooler on Aug 18, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants would have traded Matt Williams in 1989 with y'all in charge.
Play the young dudes who have the physical tools until they show can’t learn how to use them — that’s BASEBALL, bitches.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 3:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, what’s the username all about? How is it pronounced?
by Evan on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching the Rocky Show many years ago....
… the Moose sez, “Watch me pull a rabbit, out of my hat!”….
Then the squirrel said…“Hokey Smokes, Bullwinkle!”.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a shortened form of “Hokey smokes, Bullwinkle!” to me.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 18, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have sent you a prize but you posted the solution AFTER I explained it.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, is this the guy that was in the army? Why is he not banned?
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK seriously
no need for this dickhead to hang around, right? Getting old
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hope that people will eventually take the hint that abusive, combative behavior isn’t tolerated…
by Merope on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trolls will be trolls
can’t take them seriously. They don’t mean what they say, just like people like Hannity and Limbaugh- they say things purely for th reaction. Deny them the satisfaction and they quickly run away
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I play a dwarf hunter. I kill trolls.
by jctGamer on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hokysmksbw thinks Michael Fox is faking it.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take his word for it
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really shouldn’t be laughing at this.
by younghutch on Aug 18, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I have always been convinced he's really 6'4".
He just goes around on his knees in films because that tiny head doesn’t go with his height.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was great on Rescue Me by the way. Wish they had written him in more episodes
by m34josh on Aug 18, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, nobody takes that sensible kind of advice.
They could be watching porn or something, but, no, they gotta waste my time arguing with me.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought you were wasting your time arguing with me.
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by jcb9 on Aug 18, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's me wasting YOUR time, wholly different concept.
See, my time is VALUABLE.
8>P
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If your time is valuable and mine is not, and we’ve both spent time on ridiculous arguments, doesn’t that mean I’ve won? After all, using your premise, you’ve given up something valuable and I’ve given up something valueless. The exchange costs me nothing and you something.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Aug 19, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WE ARE ALL DUMB AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASEBALL AND LOVED TO BE ATTACKED BY TROLLS
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 18, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eureka, an honest man!
Actually, I think people here know too much statistical BS about baseball. Players are human beings and are not so easily quantified.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 18, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I think you are incorrect here. Baseball has always had stats. When you evaluate a player, I don’t think you say, “Well I saw player A once and he hit a homerun, whereas player B struck out once. This A > B.” You probably use some sort of statistical analysis. Maybe you use batting average or RBIs. Those of us who rely on stats for evaluation are using improved methods of evaluation. Once people thought the world was flat. Then people thought it was round. Now we know that it is an oblate spheroid. We know this because we can measure it. Which brings me to:
The outcomes in baseball can be measured. Smart, interested people are measuring them. Smart, interested people are analyzing these measurements. Dude, it’s science. If you don’t believe in science, you can stop typing on that computer now because Zenu didn’t materialize it out of thin air. The STATS aren’t perfect, but they are getting better all the time and access to them is easy! It’s just finger clicks away on your Interconnected Information Magic Miracle Machine.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 18, 2009 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
please do not feed the trolls
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by bondslegend on Aug 19, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried really hard not to move into name-calling and the like. I will give myself a check (not minus or plus – thanks for the FJM post, good stuff) because I disparaged the only major religion that you are allowed to disparage and thus succumbed to my own weakness for snarky (I mean, I do read McCovey Chronicles every day!). I don’t know why I thought trying to reason with someone in two paragraphs would turn them around. No bother he/she is probably off yelling at their congressperson for supporting death panels.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 19, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL REPLAY FAIL
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am staying out of this one
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by merkin on Aug 18, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TWHS?
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by merkin on Aug 18, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
it’s really bad to make a typo when you’re making fun of someone. I fail miserably
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by bondslegend on Aug 18, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
racist + bad speeler
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by merkin on Aug 18, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Zips and other fancy projection systems hated Linden and Bowker. They kind of liked Schierholtz, but maybe they forgot to put in the “bad slider quotient”
On the plus side (I am reaching here) – roughly speaking – Lewis = Bowker = Schierholtz = Winn = Rowand pretty much. So if one or two get hurt we are no worse off. Bad depth is still depth!!!!
I guess if both Winn and Scott go down we have to start Velez in CF. Which I find distasteful for some reason.
We need to get Delmon Young, then we can have the “Winn-Del-Scott” OF.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Aug 18, 2009 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad depth is still depth
I like this a lot.
“See, it’s not going to get any worse if there’s an injury crisis!”
by bobnothing on Aug 18, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Velez/Rowand (because of dumbfuck Sabean)/Schierholz
F-CK YOU DODGER BLUE
by Batpuller on Aug 18, 2009 5:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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