Draft Signing Deadline Open Panic Thread
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:29 AM PDT
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The deadline to sign draft picks is at 9 PM Pacific time tonight - 11 hours, 35 minutes from when I'm typing these words. Zack Wheeler is not yet signed. OMG WHAT R U DOIN SABES GIT R DONE!!!!!
Tiresome, overused, year-old McCoven in-jokes aside, the deadline's coming up. Aside from Wheeler, the Giants have several interesting late-round picks still unsigned, there's drama over whether or not Steven Strasburg will sign with the NationLOLs, and most of the other top 15 picks haven't yet signed either. Here's a place to discuss developments, report wild (no doubt Twitter-based) rumors, and run around screaming in panic as the deadline approaches. Well, maybe not the last one if Wheeler signs early in the day. Although in that case, we can always panic about signing Jamaine Cotton instead.
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Update
Mayo saying Wheeler and Giants are less than 1 Mil apart. Looking good compared to others…
by pinkycheal on Aug 17, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Style Update
The wallpaper on Mayo’s twitter page may induce seizures.
"The BB's are out. The BB's are being arseholes to me." - Brian Wilson.
by hairball on Aug 17, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean NOBODY else sees the dolphin? Magic eye people. Magic eye
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 17, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Magic Eye is a hoax
I have never been able to see anything in those damned things, and I think people who say they can are just following he crowd. GROUPTHINK!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I can’t get it to work, either.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 17, 2009 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither, but I get bored easily, and never really tried too long or nm
by Merope on Aug 17, 2009 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got pretty easy for me once I learned how they work
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by Viliphied on Aug 17, 2009 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be shocked if Wheeler doesn’t sign.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 17, 2009 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes.
I would be too. But I thought it would be handy to have a place to post updates – and there are some other top picks whose signing is more in doubt.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt an open thread is a good idea. I wasn’t commenting on that, just my opinion about the likelihood of Wheeler not signing.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 17, 2009 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt there will be enough updates for a Wheeler panic thread. I don’t think the media really cares that much about draft picks they’ve never heard about. The Nationals should have a panic thread for sure. I’m panicking myself. I want Strasberg in the NL East pitching against the Mets, Braves and Marlins for the next six years, not with the Padres next season.
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Currently
He’d end up with Pittsburgh, KC, or Baltimore before the Padres. Obviously that could change between now and the end of the season.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could change between the end of the season and next year’s draft, for that matter, depending on how well he pitches in whatever indy league he goes to, and what other prospects come along.
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
But it would be entirely on him failing, not some other prospect tearing it up. Harper might be the only guy who could be higher rated, but he’d be taken by the Nationals at 1.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But even in a best case scenario he falls lower than 1-1 which is what he is now, which is why I’ve always believed that Boras will agree to a deal at the deadline as long as it’s not an egregious low ball. The only way to increase his worth above 1-1 (and most hyped 1-1 of all time probably) is to get him declared a FA and there’s just no way for that to happen (at least there’s no way Selig is going to do it). So in the end, he has no leverage beyond getting the Nats to bid against themselves in order to increase his value. Boras knows that, and he’ll sign at $16-18 mil with a major league contract and perhaps some he has to be in the majors by… clause.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
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by Roger on Aug 17, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about that
From everything I’m hearing, if he could be had for 16-18 mil he’d already be a Natinal
by microwave donut on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
but couldn’t the natinLOLs blow that too?
by sfoakbay on Aug 17, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I can’t think of many things more hilarious than if the Nationals failed to sign Strasburg this year and Harper next year. I guess that would probably be the breaking point in the current system.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If both of those guys failed to sign you would see the owners push hard for a hard-slotting system, and I think it would be very possible to get the player to agree to it. That is the main reason I think Strasburg will end up signing, because Boras knows a high profile prospect like him failing to sign could give a lot of weight to the people pushing a hard-slotting system, and if that were to happen it would cost him a ton of money.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a boatload of crazy Twitter updates on draft day, so I’m sure we’ll see some of the same today.
Anyway, the point of the post is to talk about all draft deadline stuff – Strasburg, Tate, and so on – not just Wheeler.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabes isn’t used to dealeing with Wheel(er)s, he likes tires
I R 5
by say hey nation on Aug 17, 2009 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 17, 2009 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
by ResDog on Aug 17, 2009 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we can offer him enough to break his commitment to the mighty Kennesaw State University.
by xanthan on Aug 17, 2009 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear he has Gudger College as his backup, as well.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 17, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear Kirk Van Houten’s a hell of a pitching coach.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ghost of Kennesaw Mountain Landis is going to place a curse on you if you insult his birth place one more time. You saw what he did to the Black Sox, didn’t you?
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
by rxmeister on Aug 17, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zack is talking to the Giants as we speak!
You people wit' the cheese. It never ends.
by NuschlerFace on Aug 17, 2009 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 17, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow he really needs to sign and get to the majors in a hurry so that this graphic can become a regular fixture in gameday threads.
What’s that from, anyway?
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope the Rockies don’t sign Matzek. That would make me smile.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We share the same feelings.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Aug 17, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys probably saw this already, but perhaps others are interested.
The summary is that Oregon’s coach thinks there’s a good chance Matzek will be a Duck, while some friend of Tyler’s thinks he will sign. The Purple Row crowd is concerned. Some speculate the Rox are broke and purposely drafted a kid they knew they couldn’t sign, in order to save money.
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn’t seen that, thanks for the info.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought of too.
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, who is this PEDRO Sandoval guy?
He keeps popping up on sports sites everywhere. From CBSSports’ weekly preview thing
Rockies at Giants, Friday. Who would have ever dreamed back in late May, when the Dodgers had a nine-game lead in the NL West, the Rockies were firing Clint Hurdle and the Giants’ Pedro Sandoval had yet to be dubbed “Kung Fu Panda” that this series could play so big? But the Dodgers are slumping and the Rockies and Giants inch closer while tangling with each other in the NL wild-card chase. Pretty good matchup as Rockies ace Aaron Cook is slated to face Jonathan “No-Hit” Sanchez.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
by giants9107 on Aug 17, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 17, 2009 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Bengie was slow but...
…I didn’t realize they’d started pinch-running for him on home runs.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 17, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, didn’t that actually happen last year?
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Aug 17, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it did, Emmanuel Burriss scored a run as a pinch runner on Bengie’s home run
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, though...
When Bengie was lifted, the call was it was it a single off the wall. It wasn’t until after Molina was lifted that instant replay changed the call. But the umps wouldn’t undo the replacement.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind. Didn’t see Brute’s comment. (Stupid slow auto-update.)
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In their defense, there are totally like 9 of them Spanishy-type people on our team.
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by Cookyman on Aug 17, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know I’ve told this story before, but I used to know a guy who constantly called Roberto Alomar Raul Mondesi. And he was a Mets fan, and this is when Alomar was a Met.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man. I hope none of that is true.
Merkin Valdez? Manuel Mateo? A rose by any other name...
by rotorueter on Aug 17, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm. Denied he has AIDS, but also settled the lawsuit out of court. Interesting
by m34josh on Aug 17, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
as far as I know he’s never actually denied having AIDS. He and his lawyers have always said things like this: “He’s healthy and would like to keep his health status private. We’ll do our talking in court.”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132009/news/regionalnews/alomar__no_aids_154979.htm
I had never heard about this story til earlier but thats what I found this afternoon. Sad either way
by m34josh on Aug 17, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are twins. PabLo is the leftie, PedRo is the righty, obviously. noone can be that awesome and ambidextrious.
by ssbase21 on Aug 17, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Walls Signs
Don’t know if its big news or not but 19th rounder Jason Walls out of Troy University has signed. A while ago Andy Seiler in the well done draft recap he put together stated:
If the Giants can get their early picks signed, and if they can add someone in the Walsh-Walls-Mormann run, this has to be an unqualified win for this draft team.
His Assessment of Walls:
19. Jason Walls, RHP, Troy, #567 overall, 6’5’’/205: I was pretty high on Walls coming into the draft, as I placed him on my sleeper list and shadow drafted him in the 15th round. He’s got a good fastball that was described to me as full of life and a slider that was described to me as late-inning material. Put those two together and we have a late-inning reliever on our hands. However, Walls also has command problems and a windup that might lead to injuries, so teams naturally shied away from his pro body and natural stuff. Long-term relievers with command problems aren’t incredibly desirable. There’s a good chance Walls heads back to school for his senior year, as he’s yet to sign. DOB: 2/22/88.
Hopefully, in addition to Wheeler of course, we can get Walsh, Mormann and Seastrunk signed before the day is out.
by Keenlow on Aug 17, 2009 10:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Control problems
49K, 40BB, 12 (!) WP, 6 HBP in 64.1 innings. That, my friends, is poor control. Especially for a 21-year-old college junior.
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s definitely a project, but if they can straighten out his mechanics the wildness should decrease markedly. I think the Giants are basically taking a flyer because of his velocity, the potential of a ++ slider, and his size. But flyers like that are typical for college juniors taken in rounds after the 15th.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I recognize that you don’t get elite prospects with a 19th round pick. I just read the above blurb that referenced “command problems” and thought I’d look up his stats to see just how bad those problems are. Then I was pretty amused at the thought of a guy who averages a wild pitch per start.
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They might not be considered elite prospects, but really good players can come out of late picks. I actually wonder what Brian Wilson’s draft report was? Does anybody have that handy (which would be pretty random but cool)?
by Mrbasepaul on Aug 17, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard thrower with a great breaking ball. His coaches were shocked he signed with the Giants because he was recovering from Tommy John surgery.
by Dan from NM on Aug 17, 2009 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wilson was looking to be a late 1st round or supplemental round pick before blowing out his elbow about two months before the draft. The Giants were generally commended for taking a great flyer on a guy who, if he bounced back from TJ as expected would be a steal for a low round pick (the Angels did much the same thing with Nick Adenhart, although Adenhart was a HS pitcher which I believe changes recovery rate stats).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Aug 18, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, wasn’t he on several top ten lists before he blew out his elbow?
by HaroldS on Aug 18, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool
I’ve said this before, but in addition to the guys listed I’d also love to see the two Western Oklahoma guys – Jamaine Cotton and Randolph Oduber – signed.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately It seems unlikely that we get either of those guys. JC Perez can’t put in a good word to Cotton or Oduber since they’re both freshman. Walsh also seems to be an impossible sign.
I hope I’m wrong, I’d love these guys to be Giants.
by Keenlow on Aug 17, 2009 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great news x 2
Not only is it great that we got Walls in the fold, but this signing tells me that the Wheeler deal is done and just waiting for approval by MLB League Office to be announced. If we were still haggling with Wheeler at this late hour, then there’s almost no way we’d be wasting time trying to sign some mid-round pick like Walls.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason of Troy.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That definitely has photoshop potential.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teams should show guys who aren’t willing to sign this article. Unless you want to work at costco, just sign.
VOTE SANDOVAL
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Aug 17, 2009 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially in this stupid economy, I bet Costco isn’t even hiring right now.
by Merope on Aug 17, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ, if someone offered me $5 million to pitch, I’d pitch, clean their toilets, bake them cookies, and whatever else they asked me to do.
SIGN THE GODDAMN CONTRACTS KIDS. It’s a good deal.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what if you did none of that for 2 months and then you would get $6 million? The system is broken, I can’t really blame the kids for letting their agents get them as much money as possible.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight being 20/20 and all. I agree that the system is bad. I just know how shitty it is to work for a crappy living, and if I had millions of bucks waved in my face I’d pounce.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The players should have dreams of rapid rise to the majors; long dramatic careers; championships, awards, riches, and fame. But the agents of these top draft picks should, I would think, always have the worst case scenario in mind — what if they flame out, never make it, and this bonus contract I’m negotiating right now is the core of their financial well being for life. $5 mil sounds like an obscene lot when we’re talking about these kids, but when my wife and I go to financial planners and their telling us what we should have saved and untouched in the bank in order to able to retire securely in our 60s, I understand perfectly well that if this $5mil is the only payday this kid ever gets (which is quite possible) it’s really not that much. Not bad, certainly, a payday I’d like to have, but still these guys are right to try to maximize it.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Aug 17, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t mind (if this is too personal, my apologies and you can just ignore this), what type of numbers are the financial planners throwing around for retirement and what area of the country are you in? I’ve never really thought about final numbers, I’ve just been saving as much as I can so far.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, without going into numbers, what we’ve been told is you need to be prepared to finance your lifestyle for about 30 years, so one quick way to calculate is, if you’re making enough currently to subsidize your life, how much do you need to essentially pay yourself your current income for 30 years. Hopefully, house payments are done with when you enter retirement, but obviously you have to be able to handle maintenance and emergency maintenance on your home, pay all bills, figure that you’ll need to buy one or two more cars in your lifetime. Then of course, there’s healthcare. We’re told you should figure paying 90% of your lifetime health costs in your retirement years (and for any of you who’ve gone through the experience of having children, 90% of your lifetime health expenses is a truly horrifying number).
And then, when you got all that covered, you can start to think about disposable income and the things you’d actually LIKE to do with your retirement (trips, toys, baseball games, etc).
In summary, between colon-cancer screening and financial planning meetings, it’s a real toss up as to which was the more painful part of turning 50.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Aug 18, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
That’s a scary thought. Thanks for the info.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
by marcello on Aug 18, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In principle, I agree...
…but I also think the kids would be smart to look at the players who did not sign who never got a really good shot again, either losing money in bonus offers or never making it at all. It really is a risk proposition for both sides.
That said, this is a problem that needs to be addressed on the administrative side.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like the contract that the Rockies offered Harrington was terrible, 5 million but over 8 years and 3 arbitration years, can you imagine any player signing that? Maybe there are, but imagine if we had got Tim Lincecum to sign that. Or Posey. We’d be dancing in the streets. It’s too bad that his agent sounds inept and the Rockies sounded overly stubborn; I am sure they could have used a really good starting pitcher a few years back
by Mrbasepaul on Aug 17, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I should say making the best deal possible is in no way the same thing as not making a deal. While HS kids certainly can and do improve their status at the college level (re: one Mr. Strasburg), you have to look at the value of where you were picked. Top 10 picks who don’t sign have a very very poor track record of recouping that loss. Luke Hochevar made it work, although I think looking back he really was very very lucky in the circumstances of his re-entry draft year from nearly every standpoint.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
by Roger on Aug 18, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
If I was good enough at baseball to get drafted, I’d probably just accept the first contract offered and go join the team that day. 5 mill is enough that you’re pretty much set, whether baseball works out or not.
VOTE SANDOVAL
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Aug 17, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect it’s easier to say that when you’re not in the position of being able to potentially make a lot more.
In pretty much every situation, people try to make as much money as they can manage. That’s how capitalism works.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, but if I was fairly satisifed with the team, and the money wasn’t outrageously below the slot rate, I’d make sure to sign – sure, it might not happen immediately, but I would never ever ever decline to sign and go play a year of independent leagues just in hopes of a little more money.
VOTE SANDOVAL
Adopted Giant: Henry Sosa
by raisingcain on Aug 17, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
you wouldn’t hold out for $5.1 million?
by sfoakbay on Aug 17, 2009 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my current mindset and life experience, no
I’d take the millions and be happy. But then again, I’m not surrounded by agents and parents and friends hyping my worth and telling me to ask for more more more. I also can’t throw more than like 60 MPH and my hitting could use some work. So there it is.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pre-emptive NATILOLNALS
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2009 11:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Panic in Tampa!
Here’s a surprise. A local Tampa reporter is reporting that the Rays won’t sign either of their top 2 picks. Imagine the panic if that were us! I’d heard that #2 (Diekroeger) was in love with his Stanford committment and unlikely to sign, but the loss of their #1 pick (Washington) surprised me. Wait, now I see that his agent is Boras – so I’m not so surprised.
http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/rays-come-up-empty-with-top-two-picks/
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just about post this
Ouch.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Rays Draft FTL. I hope they’re smart enough to save that money they would’ve spent this year and put it toward’s next year, considering how many picks they may end up with.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even worse for the Rays is that they likely will have to trade Carl Crawford and/or Scott Kazmir in the off-season because they won’t be able to afford their payroll going into next year.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 17, 2009 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Rays really got shafted by the timing of the economic collapse. They made it to the WS last year and have a young and exciting team, but didn’t at all reap the benefits of a big jump in attendance that normally follows from that. The Tampa Bay area has been really hard-hit because it depended so much on tourism and construction.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington Nationals
The Nats are getting a bad rap. Last season they offered Aaron Crow more money than other pitcher in the draft and Crow rejected the offer. This season it is rumored the Nats have offered Stephen Strasburg $17M and Strasburg has yet to accept.
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Strasburg, they drafted perhaps the most hyped amateur prospect ever – and he’s represented by Boras. They had to know he would break the bank, and if they weren’t prepared to pay absurd amounts they should’ve drafted Dustin Ackley or something.
With Crow, wasn’t the difference between their offer and Crow’s demand pretty small?
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
$17 million is not absurd?
To play baseball?
by Merope on Aug 17, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is absurd
But not unexpected. All I’m saying is that they didn’t exactly go into the draft not knowing what a nightmare signing Strasburg would be, and if they weren’t prepared for that they should’ve drafted someone else.
I suspect he’ll be signed right at the deadline, though.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, where is $17 million coming from?
What I’d read is that their offer was worth $12.5 million.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reportedly they’re working on a deal that isn’t just a signing bonus. One that will be spread out over 3-4 years to make the actual bonus amount appear smaller.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
$12.5 million comes from here: http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/3366657683
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strasburg needs to come down off the mountain and just accept that he’ll break the bank by oh, $6-7 million and be glad to be a franchise savior. I don’t know why he can’t be happy to have all this talent, praise, worship…unless he thinks he deserves to be paid like a Las Vegas hotel act.
Unless this guy is going to pitch and saw women in half in-between innings, Boras is going to put him on the Matt Harrington path.
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by sectionop92 on Aug 17, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s worth noting that the Rays signed Glassman, Bailey and Malm, so they did bring in some talent.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 17, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The Orioles have signed their 11th and 22nd rounders for almost $2 million combined.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Kentrail Davis got $1.2 million, the most of any supplemental round pick thus far.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our remaining unsigned picks
As far as I can tell, anyway. Errors abound in this kind of thing.
1) Zack Wheeler RHP
18) Jonathan Walsh OF
20) Mitch Mormann RHP
21) Zach Wasserman 1B
23) Adam Champion LHP
28) Jamaine Cotton RHP
31) Diego Seastrunk C
34) Brandon Kirby OF
42) Nick Schwaner 3B
43) Matt Jansen LHP
44) Joe Lewis 1B
45) Kyle Kramp RHP
47) Michael Ness RHP
48) Randolph Oduber OF
49) Austin Goolsby C
Assuming Wheeler signs, that’s at least 36 of our draft picks signing this year.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 12:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
By god, there are some fantastic names in there.
Kyle Kramp? Diego Seastrunk?
I’m glad I’m not a GM, cause I’d just spend the last 20 rounds of the draft picking guys with the most off-the-wall names.
by The Double Deuce on Aug 17, 2009 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite
Was a guy picked by the Marlins: Sequoyah Stonecipher.
Maybe the greatest name OF ALL TIME.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is amazing. A name right out of a DFW novel.
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by cornball on Aug 17, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas-Ft. Worth?
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
David Foster Wallace?
There was actually a character in his first novel named Stonecipher Beadsman.
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by cornball on Aug 17, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His full name, by the way
Sequoyah Trueblood Stonecipher
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am in love with that name.
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by cornball on Aug 17, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants drafted him in 2007, IIRC. He did not sign.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
They could’ve changed the team name to the San Francisco Stoneciphers. That would’ve been awesome.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 17, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I looked at that list and was pretty disappointed at the thought of missing out on Adam Champion, Mitch Mormann and Austin Goolsby (who incidentally shares his Munsters-sounding name with one of Obama’s econ advisers).
by taliesin on Aug 17, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The adviser spells in crazy, though – Austan Goolsbee.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasserman won't sign according to Seiler
21. Zach Wasserman, 1B, Lake Shore HS (MI), #627 overall, 6’6’’/225: Wasserman has already announced he will honor his college commitment. That makes this pick kind of worthless, doesn’t it? DOB: 8/30/90. Commitment: Louisville
Grab Some Pine Meat!
by Gobroks on Aug 17, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals get Shelby Miller for $2.9 million.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile Matt Purke likely won’t sign with Texas because he wants way like top 3 money.
by Hobbes2d on Aug 17, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a good deal for them, as the rumor was that he was asking for > $4M on draft day.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year Posey was asking for $12 million on draft day. I doubt anybody has ever received what they were asking for on draft day.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On draft day, I was asking for a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi.
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by EliminateMe on Aug 17, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And she wouldn’t give it to me! Just one Pepsi, AND SHE WOULDN’T GIVE IT TO ME!
by Evan on Aug 17, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but my point was that Miller fell in the draft, like Buster did, because of those rumors, so the Cards’s gamble paid off without having to spend extravagantly. Especially when you consider what some HS pitchers that were rated below Miller as prospects, and drafted in much later rounds, have been getting. Props to their front office for getting a steal at #19. This guy should immediately be their #1 rated prospect.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A’s were able to sign Stassi for $1.5 million.
It never occurred to me that one man could play with the faith of 50 million.
by imovermyhead on Aug 17, 2009 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Seems like a lot of folks didn’t expect him to sign when the A’s drafted him.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grant Green is still unsigned though, right?
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The A’s are still waiting on him and Krol.
It never occurred to me that one man could play with the faith of 50 million.
by imovermyhead on Aug 17, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that really pisses me off. When the A’s drafted Stassi I was certain he would wind up at UCLA
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Donavan Tate is in San Diego for a physical and may be close to signing.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 1:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was always pretty sure Tate would sign
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pads need Tate signed to boost Moorad’s ownership standing. I would laugh myself into a grave if they had an Aaron Crow, Part II happen.
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by sectionop92 on Aug 17, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he left UNC last week.
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by cornball on Aug 17, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO SIGN CRABTREE ARE THEY
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Aug 17, 2009 2:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Report: Crabtree's dog advises him to ask for $750 K more
For rawhide bones.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree deserves a knee to the groin
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 17, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised Crabtree hasn’t yet brought in Miss Cleo or Pat Buchanan to level-up on his contractual brinksmanship.
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by sectionop92 on Aug 17, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a...football to the groin?
It would make a good movie!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
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by groug on Aug 17, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
there’s a Michael Vick joke in there somewhere
Nobody likes money
by fwoty oz on Aug 17, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree would have to sign his contract. Then say how much he wanted to be a Niner so he could just play football…money be damned and how much he cried about his decisions at his agent’s house. While having that undertone that he doesn’t mean it, because he has three speech and body language coaches.
Plus he’d need to have the Rev. Tony Dungy defuse his personality for show purposes.
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by sectionop92 on Aug 17, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought Wheeler was a done deal
now we find out they are a $1M apart?
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Under $1 million was the report. Which can mean a lot of things.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
one dollar is under $1 million
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
tree fitty
Tommy Joseph is the Dingerzball Wizard
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 17, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that story was just a cynical plant by the front office to keep the charade of “tough negotiations” alive, let a reporter have a “scoop”, and to keep the fans interested. It provides cover for not having an agreement announced sooner.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just realized
Tanner Scheppers doesn’t seem to have sign yet. L. O. L.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol again
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 17, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this deadline isn’t relevent for Scheppers as he’s got until next years draft to sign. It does make you wonder how much of their (both him and Crow) baseball careers they’re willing to give up to gain a bit more money though. They could conceivably miss 2 years playing time which is pretty inexcusable and has a good chance of costing them far more money in the long run.
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by GiantFan on Aug 17, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I didn’t realize that.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Although, you need to reduce the Scheppers remark down to 1 year, since with his injury he was never going to pitch last year at all.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This should make everybody feel better - including A's fans
The latest from Peter Gammons:
There are rumblings that the commissioner’s office wants to hold off the announcement of some of the bigger deals so they do not impact others. GMs say the Padres have had a $6.7 million deal with OF Donavan Tate done for five days. The Tigers reportedly have had RHP Jacob Turner done at $6.7 million, and second pick LHP Andrew Oliver done at $1 million. The Giants are very close at $3.4 million with RHP Zach Wheeler. The Yankees have signed OF Slade Heathcott. Oakland (USC SS Grant Green, 13th pick) and St. Louis (RHP Shelby Miller, the 19th pick) are considered locks to get done. There are conflicting reports on Colorado signing LHP Tyler Matzek, and Texas signing LHP Matt Purke (rumors had $4 million despite Tom Hicks’ bankruptcy). Cleveland and North Carolina RHP Alex White seemed deadlocked, but there was still time and the Indians could go to near $2 million. Tampa Bay and OF Levon Washington seemed far apart, as well.
So far, he’s been right on Heathcott (signed), Miller (signed), and Washington (not signing).
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 3:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If this all holds true, then we’ll have gotten a steal with Wheeler at #6. $3.4M would be basically 50% less than Jacob Turner and Tate (and only $500K more than Shelby Miller) went for.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this duplicity. This is a faked dog and pony show in some regards to make this deadline significant for press purposes. If Selig knew what he was doing, he wouldn’t pretend the sky would fall if these numbers got out.
Selig acts like Newt Gingrich, as if the Internet and fact checking do not exist.
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by sectionop92 on Aug 17, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really bitter with the drafting of Wheeler over Matzek, although it wasn’t anything against Wheeler. However, if he signs for much less than Matzek (or if Matzek doesn’t sign at all), I will happily retract all complaints.
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by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matzek would’ve cost $600k more according to the latest rumors
by m34josh on Aug 17, 2009 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still like Wheeler better, because he has so much more room to add muscle and bulk to his frame than Matzek.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheeler should be next
If Gammons’s numbers are correct, then Wheeler’s signing should be the next big one from the 1st round that gets announced. It seems that MLB is staggering them to be incrementally higher in $$$, and since Miller was just announced at $2.9M then Wheeler’s $3.4M would be next in line.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This doesn’t make sense to me. Bud wants to hold off on announcements because the bigger deals might impact other deals except it seems like all these deals are huge. It doesn’t seem to matter at all.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 17, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn’t make any sense. It’s pure idiocy
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned this on Gameday, but
BP thinks 3-6 top picks won’t sign and the system might “break:”
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1370
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
this sounds like typical Kevin Goldstein hyperbole to me
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so does Purke and Washington not signing break the system? or is it just another Kevin Goldstein hyperbole to point and laugh at?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty much the same as what happened last year, when Aaron Crow and….shit, who was the guy the Yankees drafted last year?
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gerrit Cole
currently striking out college hitters as a UCLA Bruin!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 Hour Countdown
This will possibly get verrrry interesting, although I don’t think Wheeler will be one of the interesting ones.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Game's over, and hey, 2 hours until the deadline...
I’m not going to be panicing…but, hm…
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This should be the start of the flood.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donovan Tate has signed
No terms announced.
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Gammons and Law
Both write that many deals done will be announced soon
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
#9 pick Jacob Turner signed with the Tigers
$6.25 Million
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 7:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
got a funny feeling Matzek could sign with Rockies
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers are throwing money around like crazy
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by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 8:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not what you think
The Turner deal is only $5.5M guaranteed, and it’s paid out over 5 years with a heavy backload!
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant the total
All these have come through recently:
Tigers Sign Fields For $1.6 Million.
The Tigers have signed No. 9 overall pick Jacob Turner to a major league contract with a $4.7 million bonus (payable over six years, with $1.6 million paid in 2014) and a guaranteed value of $5.5 million. Depending on how quickly he reaches the majors, he could push the total value to nearly $7 million.
Tigers Sign Oliver For $1.495 Million.
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by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah - that's a lot
They’re not the only team going nuts. The Yankees have spent big for lesser talent. They gave their #1 pick top 5 money, even though nobody had him anywhere near top 15 talent.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
SIGNED WHEELER FOR $3.3M
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by BruteSentiment on Aug 17, 2009 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Deal
now get the Georgia native down to AZ to get a few innings in.
My compliments again to Mr John Barr and his team
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES
Brand new adoptive daddy for the Big Unit. Congrats go out to my son for his 300th win. Only 211 more wins until he catches Cy Young!
by Speedforthewin on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/giants-zack-wheeler-agree-to-terms.html
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by icantdrive55 on Aug 17, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
point to Callis for breaking the story
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
w00t!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
by shikantaza on Aug 17, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WooHooo!
I was close – I predicted $3M on the Zack Wheeler thread earlier this morning.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Giants done good. Wheeler/Joseph for about $4M. Add in Dominguez/Stoffel.Belt/Graham and what does it cost? Less than $6M? Maybe we have some spare change for Angel Sano.
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
O's sign Givens
Apparently the O’s just signed their #2 pick Mychal Givens for $800,000. Just 2 days ago they said they wouldn’t sign him. I guess Givens must have blinked and lowered his price.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 8:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And Baseball America just died.
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by marcello on Aug 17, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it has come to a screeching halt
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scotty Boras checking to see what other players signed for
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blame Selig.
It’s usually his fault.
LinceCain and pray for rain .... or for someone to take Zito off our hands.
by Lincecain on Aug 17, 2009 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would think the MLB Network would have extensive coverage of this. Instead they have Vasgergian talking about games
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 8:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure that is precedent setting money
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to know when to hold ’em
Got to know when to fold ’em
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just goes to show not to take these pre-draft demands seriously
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year the players blinked
But last year the owners blinked. You never know how it’s going to turn out.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the Giants blinked and gave Posey the $12 million he wanted before the draft
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that the signing is over – at first blush the Rockies had an excellent draft
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think ours was better. Especially when you look at how little we had to pay in signing bonuses. I think we got the most talent for the least amount of $$$ than anybody else. Although, there were probably a few teams that got more talent than us overall, by throwing around big $$$ to later round picks.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stephen Strasburg
signs for around $15M more than generous offer from Nats
by wilriv21 on Aug 17, 2009 9:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
what did all the experts say before the draft?
He would sign right at the deadline for around $15 million. Andy what do you know?
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Officially it was $15.67M
And Ackley also signed – but no money report yet
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
everybody ended up signing. what a shock!
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
while Aaron Crow is still sitting in the corner
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 17, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
By my count there were 3 first rounders that didn’t sign:
Aaron Crow – Royals
Matt Purke – Rangers
Alex White – Indians
Although Crow has until next year to sign since he’s graduated and had one year of independent ball.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
White signed. The deadline doesn’t apply to Crow. It looks like just Purke
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You repeated my info on Crow
Although Crow has until next year to sign
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purke didn’t sign according to mlbtraderumors
by m34josh on Aug 17, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot one
One we left out was Levon Washington for the Rays. That was a solid rumor from earlier today.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected
Callis is now claiming that Alex White signed at the deadline for $2.25M
http://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica/status/3376241425
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LeVon Washington
Unless that changed late in the day – I was out at the time of the deadline.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
And you’ll see from above that we both realized it and posted it at the same time.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t neee dto defend your mistakes, it happens
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure most of these guys signed 2010 deals.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Posey signed at the deadline and played in 2008.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he has a quicker path to the majors and the 40 man roster.
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
Better to be safe with the new toy. We don’t want to risk him trying to heat it up the last 4 weeks of the minor league season just to impress us. Let him get trained in our AZ camp now, get some work in the Fall and then report to ST with the other pitchers next February.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any indication whether or not we got any of the later round picks
I assume no.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's possible, but not probable
There were so many high-profile signing announcements flying around that a mid-round pick signing for < $300K could have slipped past.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Giants picked Wheeler because they really think he's a better prospect than Matzek
And not because, as speculated around draft day, to save money and to get Wheeler signed quickly. $600,000 would be an insane amount of money for me, but in baseball terms it’s not exactly earth shattering.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it is funny (and predictable) that Matzek so thoroughly caved rather than holding out for “precedent setting money”
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to remeber he would have had more leverage if he was picked 6th, so that 600,000 more could have easliy of been 1 or 2 million
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rays and Jays were the big losers
The Rays didn’t sign either of their first 2 picks (Washington and Dierkroeger).
The Jays swung and missed on 2 highly-regarded pitchers that they drafted in the 1st round supplemental (James Paxton of Un. of Kentucky) and in the 2nd round (Jake Eliopoulos out of high school in Canada).
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll add the Rangers to that list of losers
They didn’t get Purke, and they might not get Scheppers. They have until next year’s draft to get their money problems straightened out and find about $2.5M for Scheppers.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A great night!
The Giants win, the Fodgers lose, we gained 1/2 a game on the Rox, and we signed Wheeler. Why can’t every night end like this?
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 17, 2009 9:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There probably aren’t enough good players named Wheeler to justify signing one every night.
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by jcb9 on Aug 17, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
B/C that would require us to be behind the Rockies in the standings
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sign him for 3.3 million tops.
He needs to start pitching in the majors by 2012 lincecum, cain, wheeler, bumgarner and sanchez, lincy and cain will be expensive, hopefully wheeler and bumgarner will be lower priced at that time and sanchez will be medium priced. Hopefully zito will be on the DL. 60 day.
by bradleybear on Aug 17, 2009 10:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It hurts me to type this, but...
Isn’t Cain only team controlled thru 2011?
Obviously I hope he’s signed to an extension. I think he likes it here in SF.
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by fwoty oz on Aug 17, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wants to sign with the Mets.
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by jponry on Aug 17, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He and Wright are now BFFs.
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by cornball on Aug 18, 2009 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking…it seems out of whack that Wagner Mateo, the consensus 2nd best hitter in the Latin American amateur market this year, signed with the Cardinals a month and a half ago for $3.1 million, while Tony Sanchez gets $2.5 million, Matt Hobgood gets $2.4 million, Wheeler gets $3.3 million, Tyler Matzek gets $3.9 million, and the Cardinals own first rounder Shelby Miller gets $2.9 million. When you compare what various amateur players are getting to sign, $3.1 million seems like a ton of money to be giving to a 16 year old kid with very limited experience playing organized baseball.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 17, 2009 11:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s what happens when you have a free market and all of the teams can sign a player as opposed to just the team that drafted him. Would be interesting to see how they’d do if the international players were included in the draft process as they are in the NBA.
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by GiantFan on Aug 17, 2009 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Latin American market only really exploded in terms of big signing bonuses in the last 3 years. Before then the brightest stars were lucky to get much more than $500K. I think what we’ve been witnessing is the classic case of “chasing the market” of “gold rush fever”. Some teams had good success mining the under-appreciated Latin American market (mainly the DR) starting back about 10 years ago, then some more teams noticed and jumped in about 6 years ago, then the past 3 years every team noticed and just piled on indiscriminately. That’s why the Giants and a few other smart teams took a step back this year. Too many teams chasing too few actual big-time prospects.
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by Fla-Giant on Aug 18, 2009 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Michael Ynoa last year
Him and his $4 mil.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick Question:
Is Starsburg’s College stats that much better than Lincecums?
Last year of college:
Strasburg: 109 IP 65H 16 BB 11 WP 16.1 K/9 1.6 BB/9 25 Total Runs
Tim: 125.1 IP 75 H 199K 63 BB 13 WP 14.3 K/9 4.5BB/9 39 Total Runs
So ok his stast are better. Is the Pac-10 harder than Mountain West?
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, definitely the Pac-10 is a much tougher league than the Mountain West. But I would say the reasons Strasburg is considered a better prospect than Timmy was at the time would be:
1) Much lower walk rate (even accounting for the weaker competition)
2) Throws harder (hits triple digits on occasion)
3) Not considered as much of an injury risk. He’s much bigger and has a relatively orthodox delivery. The fact that Tim has proved to be durable doesn’t change the fact that his perceived fragility was probably the biggest knock on him as a prospect.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
comparing college stats is not a very good way to evaluate pitching prospects
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 18, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I just wondering how an ametuer ges 15 mil!
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you think there’s a 50% chance that he’ll give the Nats three years as an average starter, that’s what he’s worth. Since that seems pretty pessimistic, I’d guess he’s worth considerably more.
by taliesin on Aug 18, 2009 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, a FA starter is worth that
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by say hey nation on Aug 18, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scott Boras agrees!
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by Roger on Aug 18, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, actually. His stats are much better, and they’re in a much tougher league.
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