minor lines, 8/16/09
by steve S on Aug 16, 2009 9:01 PM PDT
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PrintHighlights from the Giants' farm seem to come in combos today: (a,b) John Bowker and Drew Biery each had 2 HRs; (c,d) Ben Copeland and Brett Pill reached base in all nine of their plate appearances; (e,f) leadoff-hitting centerfielders Clay Timpner and Darren Ford each had two doubles; and (g,h) Paul Oseguera and Orlando Yntema each allowed just 1 R in 6.0 IP. The one highlight that was not doubled was (i) Kieschnick having three doubles.
AAA: Fresno defeated Nashville 8-5
Fresno: CF Clay Timpner: 2 for 5, 2 2B, E
Fresno: RF Ben Copeland: 2 for 2, 3 BB
Fresno: LF John Bowker: 2 for 4, 2 HR, BB, SO
Fresno: RHP Ryan Sadowski: 5.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--1 HR
Fresno: RHP Waldis Joaquin: 1.2 IP, 1 H, 2 K
Fresno: RHP Osiris Matos: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Bowker hit his 19th and 20th HRs. Timpner also had a couple XBHs with his 15th and 16th doubles. Copeland reached base in all five plate appearances. Since joining the Grizzlies, he has hit .263/.325/.386 in 255 AB.
Sadowski has allowed 3 ER in both starts since his demotion back to the minors, but today that was enough for the win, improving his PCL W-L record to 6-2. Joaquin and Matos allowed just one of nine batters to reach base. Joaquin has 9 K in 5.2 IP through his first three PCL appearances.
AA: Connecticut lost to Erie 6-5
Connecticut: 1B Brett Pill: 2 for 2, 2B, 2 BB
Connecticut: DH Eddy Martinez-Esteve: 1 for 4, HR, 2 SO
Erie: RF Brennan Boesch: 2 for 4, BB
Connecticut: LHP Ben Snyder: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 0 K
Connecticut: LHP Joe Paterson: 1.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER--1 BK
Erie: LHP Jason Waddell: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Pill reached base in all four of his plate appearance, getting his AVG back to an even .300. His performance included his team-leading 33rd double. EME had his 7th HR. Boesch, whom the Tigers selected in the third round out of UC Berkeley three years ago, had his fourth straight multi-hit game, improving his AVG to .275. After slugging just .379 with 7 HRs in the FSL last year, he has slugged .525 with 25 HRs in the EL this year.
Snyder made just his second start among 31 appearances this year. He has pitched five full innings in both starts. He nudged his ERA a little lower to 2.12 today. Paterson seems to be fading in the second half. After a 1.37 ERA in 34 appearances before the break, he has a 4.58 ERA in 14 appearances since. Waddell, the ex-Giants farmhand who made his MLB debut with the Cubs earlier this year before they released him, had his first save of the season appearing against his former team and making his second appearance in the Tigers' organization.
A+: San Jose defeated Stockton 2-1
San Jose: CF Darren Ford: 2 for 4, 2 2B, SB
San Jose: RF Roger Kieschnick: 3 for 4, 3 2B
San Jose: LHP Paul Oseguera: 6.0+ IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 7 K--1 PO
San Jose: LHP Wilmin Rodriguez: 2.0 IP, 1 K
Kieschnick and Ford combined for five doubles, which accounted for all but two of the Giants' seven hits. Kieschnick now has 25 doubles, and Ford 13 doubles. They raised their respective AVGs to .296 and .272.
I think it was three weeks ago I noted that Oseguera was consistently having mediocre starts with a line close to 3 ER in 6.0 IP. In his four starts since then, he has been just the opposite, allowing 5 ER in one start but allowing just 2 ER combined in the other three starts. He now has a 4.11 ERA in a dozen starts with San Jose this year. Wi-Rod's 2.0 perfect IP improved his ERA to 2.25.
A-: Augusta lost to Hagerstown 4-1
Augusta: DH Mike Loberg: 0 for 4, 3 SO
Augusta: 3B Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4
Hagerstown: DH Derek Norris: 0 for 3, BB, SO
Augusta: RHP Orlando Yntema: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Augusta: RHP Eric Stolp: 1.0 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB
Culberson was the only GreenJacket to reach base twice. His two singles got his AVG back above .240. After today's hat trick, Loberg now has more strikeouts than hits (42 H and 45 SO in 184 AB, .228 AVG). The Nationals' Norris was looking like one of the best prospects in baseball through the end of July, but the 20-year-old catcher is now just 3 for 38 (.079 AVG) so far in August.
After allowing 9 ER in his first two SAL starts, Yntema had perhaps his best start of the season considering the level of the competition. Stolp got just one ground ball out from the seven batters he faced today.
ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Everett 7-3
Salem-Keizer: DH Drew Biery: 2 for 4, 2 HR
Salem-Keizer: LF Shane Lindsley: 1 for 4, HR, GiDP
Salem-Keizer: RHP Craig Westcott: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 8 K--1 HB, 1 WP, 1 BK
Biery connected for his 5th and 6th HRs as a pro, improving his pro line to .358/.425/.552 through 165 AB. Lindsley had his 3rd HR as a pro, all of which have come this year.
Westcott had his second straight start with 8 K and 2 ER in 5.0 IP. In his four NWL starts, he has 16 H, 5 BB, and 24 K in 15.1 IP.
R: Scottsdale had their regular off-day
(every fifth day, with two more off-days remaining this year)
DSL: no results reported yet for Giants at Mets today
DSL: Giants defeated Yankees1 15-2
(Yestersday's box score now available.)
Dominican: 1B Rey Duran: 4 for 5, 2 HR, 2B
Dominican: RHP Ariel Hernandez: 6.0 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 8 K--1 WP
Duran's (20.0 y.o.) team-leading four hits included his 9th and 10th HRs of the season, which raised his SLG to .466. Hernandez (17.5 y.o.) had a career-high 8 K in his seventh start and twelfth appearance.
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Ben Snyder
Joey Martinez of the Future?
co-dad of IshikaBOOM w/AfDC.
Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 16, 2009 9:10 PM PDT reply actions
I was at the SJ game today and came away impressed by Roger K. He was more patient at the plate than I expected, hit the ball hard every time up, and showed some good range in right field (although there wasn’t much communication with center fielder Darren Ford).
Thomas Neal, on the other hand, looks like he’s struggling a bit.
He is only hitting .200/.298/.280 so far in August. I don’t think it’s much of a concern though It’d be nice to see him finish the last couple of weeks of the minor league season strongly.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
you must not like baseball
if you want to see some walks, go watch your mailman.
You know, I was thumbing through the Bill James’ Historical Abstract the other day, and I came upon the chapter on the 1940s, and the essay on How the Game was Played. Interestingly in this context, the post-war game was the time when offenses became very (to indulge in inaccurate cliches) Moneyball-esque. Walks went way up, stolen bases virtually disappeared, and essentially everybody just waited until they got balls they could jack out. For non-power players, high OBP with some doubles became the bar. This was the era in which a guy like Eddie Yoost was top 10 in the MVP race for putting up lines like .206/.348/.330 and .250/.393/.395. Eddie Stanky had similar lines (.273/.436/.352) and MVP votes (7th in MVP voting in 1946). The league was full of low average, high OBP, decent SLG and the game became very station to station, much longer, and revolved almost entirely around 3 run HRs with teams across the league.
The upshot of this essay is that for James, the biggest problem the game had in this era was that it became terribly boring and he entertains the theory that the stultifying nature of this offensive approach was one of the things that led to MLB’s terrible attendance troubles through the 1950s.
Reading this I remembered a column Rob Neyer wrote a few years ago after watching all three games of an A’s/Mariners series in which he wrote that while the A’s embodied a lot of the philosophies and elements that he believed led to winning baseball, A’s games tended to be almost unwatchably boring because of those very elements.
Now I still want to see the Giants do something about their horrific hacktastic ways, but it does seem that even some major SABR figures don’t much like watching their mailman when it comes right down to it.
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
I feel that way about Yankees v. Red Sox. Almost completely unwatchable.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
It’s boring if you’re not a fan of either team, and you’re watching because you’re hoping for some dingerz or something. But if you actually care about the game? No way. Seeing Fred Lewis draw a lead off walk in a close game is way more exciting than watching Juan Uribe hack at sliders in the dirt.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
You understand I’m not disagreeing, I just found James’ take interesting enough, given our recent conversations on the topic, to discuss here. And I should say, he expounds on the idea in other places, that it wasn’t just the slow pace of games he found problematic, but rather the lack of innovation, strategy, really even effort being put into the games, At one point he noted the lack, or failure to find any competing strategy was one reason that in that same era teams became almost petrified in the standings. Good teams were good for decades, horrible teams were horrible for decades. Nobody was really trying anything new to change their fortunes, and that failure of imagination was as problematic as the lack of in-game dynamism. In the end, I think it’s a combination of those two elements that makes James view that era as rather stultifying. He also notes it’s an era with fewer changes (from rules to uniforms) than any other. All those things seem to go together (and from a larger perspective probably fit in with post-war American society in general).
My Bucardo is better than yours.
A hot August weekday, before a small crowd, when the only thing at stake is the tissue-thin difference between a thing done well and a thing done ill. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, it is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
NEEL CAN FEDD THE POOR
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 17, 2009 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
my boy might need a day off soon to get right. first real slump of the season, though.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 17, 2009 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Bowker has no place on the Giants!
Rowand, Winn, and Lewis are proven!
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Posey still out which is why
he should not be catching. this is a guy that supposedly can play anywhere. The Ginats are screaming for decent outfielders. Posey can’t be any worse in left than Fred Lewis. I just think that putting him behind the plate weakens his bat and shortens his career. I’d do a Biggio. Send him to the instructional league this summer and put him in left. He could be the opening day leftfielder next year. Whose behind the plate? Pablo. His body is made to catch.
sarchasm? Please?
Left field is an easy place to find production, why waist a GG type C who can hit in left field, and he would be a horrible LF b/c of his numbers. He would be a productive CF, same with SS and 2B but we don’t know if he can be legit at any of these positions.
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 17, 2009 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Just to be clear. I am trying to justify the thought of moving posey to lf
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 17, 2009 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Between this and the guy who thinks Pierzynski was a good trade, I’m about ready to start weeping.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
"Left field is an easy place to find production"
so why can’t we find any?
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
Because our best LFer is stuck in Fresno.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 17, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I know that Bowker hasn’t gotten a fair shot this year and the at bat total in the majors is insignificant. That being said, I was still disappointed in what I saw in his brief stays. That supposedly improved batting eye was not in evidence at all.
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
SSS
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 18, 2009 12:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you fucking serious? Moving Posey from C to the middle infield would be one thing, as annoying as THAT is on its own, but moving him IMMEDIATELY almost all the way down the defensive spectrum when he appears to be a very good defensive catcher? Why would you do that?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
To replace Fred Clueless…duh.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
not sure if i;m doing this right
Roger Connor was both active and nimble and did fully as well if not better in the fielding line than his contemporaries. -Sam Crane
ok
how do i post a picture? I have good information!!!
Roger Connor was both active and nimble and did fully as well if not better in the fielding line than his contemporaries. -Sam Crane
You need to upload the picture to somewhere on the web and then copy the URL. Looking at your attempt to post a picture above, it looks like you’re just trying to link to an image on your hard drive. That doesn’t work.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
thank you!
Roger Connor was both active and nimble and did fully as well if not better in the fielding line than his contemporaries. -Sam Crane
Isn't it time...
To bench Culberson, promote Drew Biery to Augusta to take over 3B, and allow Chris Dominguez to play 3B full-time at S-K? I mean who in this organization believes that Charlie Culberson (.247/.305/.598 and 37 errors in 111 games) is more advanced than Biery (.358/.425/.976)?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
It’s too late in the minor league season to matter. They will sort it out for next year.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 17, 2009 10:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dominguez has been playing 3rd full time. Biery has been the DH lately. I would rather see Dominguez at 1st, his defense is not that good.
Also, Lindsley’s first name is Brooks, at least that’s what everything I have on him says. His nickname however is Chucky Cheese.
Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan and Jeremiah Luster,Trey Webb and David Quinowski.
Ford has two doubles, Roger has three doubles and no RBI’s – strange. Is Ford establishing himself as a legit prospect? He has improved his offensive numbers as the season has progressed.
23 years old & repeating high-A...
…after being promoted there midway through 2007, so he’ll have 2.5 seasons of high-A at the end of this year. Seems like his best case is the next Clay Timpner.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Aug 17, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Posey LF
Yes I’m serious. Catchers get hurt more than other positions. They have shorter careers. Their hitting suffers as the year drags on. Posey has too good a stick to take those risks. He should be moved. It worked pretty damn well for Biggio. And he was a good catcher before being moved to CF and then 2B.
CF and 2B are much different from LF. If he were to get moved anywhere, it’d likely be SS, but he won’t and it’s a bad idea.
Proud father of Juan Carlos Perez. Think Albert Pujols at a position to be determined.
@#$% Juan Uribe. Dios es grande.
This is a bad idea
Also, Craig Biggio was a freak of nature and not a good comparison point for anyone.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
If you’re going to move him right away, at least move him to a position on the field that’s not at the very bottom of the defensive spectrum. And he should catch.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
btw
we shouldn’t care too much at this point about him having a shorter career – all we need worry about for now is the first six years.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Win.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 18, 2009 12:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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