Post-Game Recap: Giants Fail
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 14, 2009 6:33 PM PDT
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PrintI, for one, am shocked that a semi-prospect with middling K/BB numbers was able to dispatch the Giants offense quickly while keeping his pitch count low. I'm sure the Giants had a really good scouting report on him, though. I mean, it's not like they'd just go up there hacking against a guy they've never seen unless the scouting report told them to be aggressive.
Great start to the road trip. Great start to the weekend. Can't wait for the rest of the series.
The worst part about today just might be that I watched Comcast's replay of this game, and it got me all fired up. Where have you gone, Mike Laga? A nation turns its lonely eyes to you. Woo. Woo. Wooo.
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really?
I wouldnt know, I couldnt see it
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Donell Nixon was Otis' bro?
So the Giants might have had some secondhanded deals in coke or computers. Cool.
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Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 14, 2009 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Just wow.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
YAY!
we got runners in scoring position!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeas and no
Giant Dirtbags: John Bowker, Steve Hammond. MIA List: Todd Jennings, Brian Anderson
Wronghanded Affeldt pitches right
by Giant among Angels on Aug 15, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember after the Astros series
Oh this team could catch the Dodgers, blah, blah, blah. What happened to that?
Cincinnati Reds pitching
by DrJ Funk Master Deluxe 3000 on Aug 14, 2009 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Comedy Central canceled Reno 911, in case anyone’s interested.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
WTF AHHHHH
!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Which reminds me
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
STOP!
You’re staring is starting to scar Jorge Orta.
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 14, 2009 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
GIANTS LINKED TO JORGE ORTA
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 15, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, there’s only one thing to do, then.
Reunite The State.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Michael and Michael Have Issues has gotten better every week.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
I heard that I should be watching it after someone picked up on an obscure The State reference I dropped at work…
loved it
but it probably ran its course…..
time for more movies like Balls of Fury
And random Reno 911 fact
Dangle is married to Millie the apprentice Home Team Ho from Bull Durham
Jenny Robertson aka Mrs. Dangle
Daily Gameball and Joker at GIANTSBOARD.COM
Say Hey Say Willie, that Giant Kid is Great!
Lot of high scoring games today
hmmm
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 6:39 PM PDT reply actions
So anybody want to predict a 7-3(11 game road trip) road trip now?
I just hope we’re still within a game of the wild card after this. This team can’t score on the road, although it’s not like they’re that much better at home.
LOL best
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Well at least tomorrow's starter is no Bobby Parnell...
or Aaron Harang, or Hiroki Kuroda, or Jeff Weaver, or Randy Wolf…
news flash
40 Hrs is a lot of Hrs
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 6:41 PM PDT reply actions
Stat that makes me want to fucking lose it...
Parnell before tonights game 48ip 39k 25bb
Giants offense against Parnell 6ip 7k!!!! and we don’t get our first walk till the 8th inning by a player who didn’t even start the game.
The Bright Side
At least the Giants conserved their strength for tomorrow by not fouling off a bunch of pitches tonight.
Also, FWIW, I fully expected it to be a 5 run 6th for the Mets.
yeah at least bengie and edgar didn’t bother. less embarrassing that way.
No one here gets out alive.
2008
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So...
Is it safe to say we should have signed Fokudome instead of Rowand?
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:-) :-) :-)
oh well
Rowand was the better player
but ya, Cameron is a good player
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand was coming off a better season, but it’s not that clear he was the better player. They had very similar career lines, and Cameron had played mainly in pitchers’ parks, while Rowand had spent all of his career in hitters’ parks. Rowand was probably better defensively, but I’m not sure the difference was that big. Overall, pretty similar players. Cameron was older, though.
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:-) :-) :-)
it certainly would have been better for Joe Martinez if we had signed Mike Cameron
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SAD LOL
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 15, 2009 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
lost in introspection
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhh….. uh……. uhhhhh..
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY
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I just wanna hear him lose his mind and start smashing things in the booth. He tries too hard to sugarcoat stuff sometimes.
No, really, I have updated my blog this year: http://skaldheim.livejournal.com/tag/baseball
Kuiper always seems like he’s on the verge of just going “aw fuck it, they’re just terrible. Who are we kidding?”
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I was at the game. My mom left a voicemail saying that Miller said you can’t see the plate from the booth. WTF? Is this true? Can anyone expand on what he said?
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah he was saying that the seats behind home plate block the view from the booth. Actually his exact words were something about it being the worst booth in baseball. He kinda brutally criticized the stadium for the whole first inning it seemed.
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He said they couldn’t see the plate because there are seats right in front of the broadcast booth, when people are sitting in them their view is obstructed.
They also couldn’t see the bullpens.
Flemming joked that they should buy tickets for those seats for the reast of the series.
Citifield is overrated. The prices are ridiculous and the stadium is pretty generic. ATT will be better than this stadium when it’s 100 years old.
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
and by the way, they keep introducing Mr. Met as the “best mascot in baseball.” Are they kidding? He doesn’t do anything but pose for pictures and nod his massive head.
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I have an irrational urge to set Mr Met on fire and then make him run the bases.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
No creativity with that mascot
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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
but slightly more than
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Red
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 15, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I was going to write ‘Mr Red came first!’, but then I thought that doesn’t sound like a good recommendation.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
http://dugout.progressiveboink.com/archive/dugout4-25-06×3.htm
At the end, Mr Met says possibly my favorite thing ever.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
You saw the lineup the Mets put on the field.
We’re sick of watching them! While your front office doesn’t know how to evaluate offense, ours can’t muster a single creative player development thought in a lost season. Actually, I’m wrong. They came up with one — moving Bobby Parnell to the starting rotation. (Though that was more out of necessity than creativity!)
by All Shook Down on Aug 14, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Move to SF and adopt the Giants. I think you might just fit right in here.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 14, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I'd move to the Bay Area
But I cannot adopt the Giants! I love the Mets too much and I think Brian Sabean makes Omar Minaya look like a Rhodes Scholar Candidate.
by All Shook Down on Aug 15, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
OXFORD, UK (AP): After funding scholarships for 107 years, representatives of the Rhodes Trust announced that their program has been cancelled. No forwarding address is available. In a related, story, the University of Oxford is closed. Permanently.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 15, 2009 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
as bad as Brian is, Omar is worse. Brian doesn’t have an 140 million dollar payroll to work with. Need I remind you of Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore and Brandon Phillips for Bartolo Colon?
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That's probably the worst trade of all-time, but I'm not inclined to judge him off of his Expos tenure.
Because a team owned and operated by Major League Baseball is inherently doomed. He had his reasons for making that deal, which I’m not inclined to believe, but who knows what really went on there?
I think he’s been a bad GM for the Mets, but at least he understands how to evaluate offense. Plus, finding Jose Reyes, signing Carlos Beltran, trading a bunch of bad prospects for Johan Santana, Benson-for-Maine and a few other shrewd moves have made the Mets really competitive after two rock-bottom seasons in 2003 and 2004. He’s really bad at negotiating, building a coherent roster and overvaluing relief pitching. These flaws have resulted in the nonsense that took the field last night. Nonsense, by the way, that’s better offensively than a healthy Giants ball club.
Give Sabean credit for Lincecum, Cain, Sandoval and Sanchez over the last five seasons, but it seems that almost everything else he’s done at the ML level has sucked royally. You’ve got hella good prospects (Alderson/Barnes) in the system (is that mostly Dick Tidrow?); you just better hope that he doesn’t trade them for overrated, crappy veterans (Sanchez/Garko). Look on the bright side, at least he taught Ned Colletti to be much worse than he is.
All of that aside, it’s probably a fruitless exercise to compare two bottom five baseball general managers.
by All Shook Down on Aug 15, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if Anderson/Barnes are “hella good,” and Sanchez/Garko certainly aren’t overrated and crappy.
What's good about Ryan Garko exactly?
He’s a 28 year old platoon first baseman. He’s amassed a WAR value of 3.8 since 2005. His career OPS is .797 at THE premium offensive position on the field. (MLB 1B hit for an .817 OPS in 2008 and .845 in 2009.) Garko also a below average 1B over his career, so he’s not making up for his below average production in the field. When you compare Garko (.785 OPS, 1.1 WAR) with Ishikawa (.745 OPS, 1.0 WAR), you can wonder why the Giants even made the trade to begin with. They’ were probably better off keeping Barnes and promoting Guzman to platoon with Ishikawa.
Freddy Sanchez is certainly overrated. He was a borderline replacement level player just last season. He’s going to be 32 years old and not going to get better, plus the Giants have to pay him $8M. It’s not like he’s some sort of bargain. His career UZR/150 is good at +4.4, but it’s not defensive stalwart level. At his age, I’d look for that number to go down. And of course you all know that he doesn’t walk and doesn’t hit for power. Maybe he’s not exactly crappy, but he’s certainly overrated (mainstream media acted like the Pirates sold off Ralph Kiner), and is a poor return value for a Top 50 Prospect. But Brian Sabean: “it’s just the price of doing business!” I’m so glad you’re still GM-ing in the National League, my friend!
by All Shook Down on Aug 15, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
They don't, unfortunately
but I do like it there
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I like Fooch, but I’m not really a fan of a lot of the people who comment there.
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Especially when you're used to this place
McC is really special.
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Knuckles are too sore from dragging on the ground to type on gameday threads!!
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah they do
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Schulman says he’s heard that there is already a deal in place but they’re going to wait until monday to announce because it’s well over the slot.
attended my first game of the season tonight. There were lots of Giants fans in the stands. This team gave us absolutely no reason to cheer about anything
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by rxmeister on Aug 14, 2009 7:17 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Giants fans in NY
I’d be interested in some sort of metric measuring how many old time Giants fans in NY have stuck with ’em this long.
I remember this one guy on the SFGate board was one of those. And yet he was hammering Lon Simmons for his performance in a few guest games a few years back. At first I thought, “Geez, an old timer like you ought to be one of Lon’s staunchest defenders.” And then I realized… he’s never heard him before.
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
I thought I read somewhere that there is a group of NY [baseball] Giants fans that have regular meetings at a pub in NYC. Good luck trying to Google that without getting inundated with football Giants hits though.
Mad Dog’s epic rant makes me feel better after games like this
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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
by the way, has anyone else noticed that Eli Whiteside hasn’t started a single game since hitting that game winning grandslam?
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by rxmeister on Aug 14, 2009 7:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
damn
i missed some really good games
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not until now
Great decision making from Bochy!
Bork!
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Eh
As bad as Molina has been, he’s still much, much better than Whiteside. Career .290 OBP in the minors is just…yikes.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
I know Whiteside isn’t very good, but for me it’s more of a question of Bengie needing a lot more time off than he’s been getting. I don’t care that he wants to play every day. He shouldn’t. It hurts the team.
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FORTY NINERS BEEYACH!!!!
NATE CLEMENTS
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Yes we Cain
I just went to Citi for the first time recently because my daughter begged to see the new park before she headed off to college. We saw Santana pitch against the Cardinals. He looked a lot more hittable than in the past so I wouldn’t view tomorrow as hopeless. True, it was the Cardinals and Pujols was awesome (two home runs in the game and a huge number in batting practice including one that smashed into the Mets’ home run apple) but it was heartening to see that Santana had location problems. Anyway, as of three hours ago, I became much more concerned about Sunday since a former work colleague gave me two tickets for that game. Any other McC’ers going to that one?
So true
But I sometimes dream nonetheless of waking up in an alternate universe where Giants hitters start displaying some patience, so I pretend observations like this one like Santana are relevant to humor myself. Five decades of being a Giants fan will do that to you.
by NearestNorwich on Aug 14, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I forgot it was on at 4 and ended up running errands the whole game
upon further review: Best-timed trip to grocery outlet ever
Kevin Pucetas lurks in the shadows, waiting for his time to shine.
ZOMG!
PIE HIT FOR THE CYCLE TONIGHT
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 14, 2009 7:54 PM PDT reply actions
Long-time reader...
…first-time caller. Be gentle.
I’ve got tickets to all four games of the series. That, I must say, was one of the most boring games I’ve ever seen in person. Everything about it was pathetic. New Shea is prettier than Old Shea, but the crowd was dead. Like, rigor mortis stylee. As flat as the brainwaves of a Giant with a bat in his hands. I heard one “let’s go Mets” chant, and it lasted all of ten seconds. The wave, on the other hand, seemed to be of particular delight to the crowd, as it circled the stadium about a dozen times during the Giants’… um… ‘rally.’ Can you call getting one guy as far as third a rally?
I was astonished. A 3-0 game in the seventh, and they’re doing the wave? And they tried to start it up again in the ninth! It’s a save situation! Stay classy, Mets fans.
But, yeah. Boring.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t think that’s it. I mean, nice burn, of course. But there’s a different vibe there.
It’s the same change you felt between Candlestick die-hards and Pacific Belle Crackberry addicts, or the goons at the Vet vs. the bland “family-friendly” atmosphere at Citizens’ Bank Park.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that I’m saying the goons at the Vet were preferable. But they made for more memorable crowds, that’s fo’ sho’. A D-cell battery thrown from the upper deck has a way of making good copy.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Nightmare returns
That’s what I forgot to mention in my report above on the Santana game. My poor daughter was exposed to supposedly major league fans doing the wave over and over. I told her that a just God would punish them and sure enough, the Mets bullpen imploded. Thus do atheists become agnostics and agnostics believers.
by NearestNorwich on Aug 14, 2009 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Heimz , djoo figure out the free ticket thing?
They ran some explanation for it later but I was already TURNING AWAY IN DISGUST
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by victor frankenstein on Aug 14, 2009 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Make sure to click on the George Brett link. NSFW if you have speakers.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Some NSFW things are because of the images they contain and have no sound. Some things that have sound abruptly start blaring obscenities through you office. Sorry my phraseology displeased you. I’ll leave out the warning next time.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I should add that we are all assholes either, I see you are new
With malice towards the Dodgers
UR5 dickhead!!!!
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i mean we are all assholes too. Don’t know where that “either” came from
With malice towards the Dodgers
We R all 5.
My cost outlay vs Giants entertainment has left me a touch peevish, I’m afraid. Didn’t mean to sound snappish.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
your
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I appreciate the warning to turn the sound down before clicking or plug in my headphones. I usually assume most NSFW links are pictures.
by paboperfecto on Aug 14, 2009 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
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Makes you wonder whether all these kids on this blog who argue with each other over all these new age statistics have a life outside their computer screens! Wow! It’s just a crappy baseball team with no offense! Nothing to analyze here!
Ahh, THAT bad.
Kevin Pucetas lurks in the shadows, waiting for his time to shine.
by Sammy Danger on Aug 14, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants offense ranks first in the NL in sUCK+
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
And I think could take her two falls out of three. I might bet on Amy in boxing, though.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
So, what I miss?!
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This should be said here too
LOL KYLE ORTON
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Dodgers losing to the Dbags LOL
Go danny haren go!!!
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DAN HAREN BITCHES
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7 ip, 99 pitches
kershaw lasted 4.1, 4er, 97 pitches LOL
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and of course they pulled haren and put in qualls who almost blew it.
but still:
SUCK IT RUSSELL MARTIN
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Ford just got picked off down in San Jose
and was able to steal 2nd easily. SPEEEEED
With malice towards the Dodgers
BRING HIM UP NOWWW
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Another thing that pisses me off about New Shea...
The Ebbets Field thing. Fred Wilpon grew up a BK Dodgers fan, and seems determined to expunge any memory that the Giants have roots in New York. The Jackie Robinson Rotunda? WTF? The only two teams with gear for sale in the Mets’ Shop? Mets and Dodgers. DUBYOU TEE EFFF?!?
Why can’t the Dodgers be the team that goes over-the-top in honoring Jackie? He did, y’know, actually play for them. And he’s from LA! Perfect! But no. Wilpy wants to recreate the Brooklyn of his youth. And part of that means screwing the Giants.
I wish I had better alternatives for local teams than the Yankees and Mets. Because I can’t ever cheer for the Yanks, but I reeeeally want to despise the Mets.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:01 PM PDT reply actions
Well they DID wear giants unis tonight though.
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
But that’s literally the first time I’ve seen anything celebrating the connection between the two teams since before Citi started construction.
And they still have no NY Giants gear for sale in the team shop, despite (just to name the two most obvious ones) the Polo Grounds and Willie Mays.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I predicted that the no-name pitcher would hold the Giants to 4 hits and 1 run. Looks like I wildly overestimated the Giants “offense.”
The lack of hitting is infuriating.
The guy doing the post-game show (Dan something-or-other) was absolutely livid about it. He wants to know what the hell the hitting coach does. I’m with him.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
If their fourth hit had been a solo shot, you’d have been right on.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
If they’d gotten a fourth hit, that is.
Giants wins feel better than Dodger losses, but it's darn close.
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2009 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You are a true oracle.
Got a sense about the superlotto numbers tomorrow? You’re doing great.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 14, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s the hitting coach supposed to do? You can’t hand a chef a pile of shit and then complain that he didn’t turn it into a tasty burger.
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Then what the hell do you need one for? At this point, I’m just wondering what his job is. What does the team expect him to do?
I think I’ve had this discussion here before.
What it comes down to, is are players just immutable objects, unable to be instructed in the methods a team prefers, or should they be expected to have the ability to adapt to team’s philosophies? If a team were to stress patience at the plate, is it really impossible for a self-professed free-swinger to learn some patience? I mean, how hard is it to take the first pitch in an at-bat?
If there is no way to modify (or, god-forbid, improve) a player’s playing skills, then it seems silly to pay somebody to be the hitting coach. We should just let everybody do what they want without the frustration of thinking you can exercise any influence over it?
At any rate, it’s mainly frustration on my part to see the team constantly hacking at slop. If we can’t even get a decent number of walks against a pitcher with well-known piss-poor control, then there’s a real problem. One that needs solving. And since we can’t overhaul the roster, then what’s to be done?
So now the question is, what IS the hitting coach’s job, if it’s not to try to coach the players in the art of hitting (and expecting results)??
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No, the hitting coaches don’t have a great influence over the team, which is why they don’t get payed that much, half the fans don’t know their name, and nobody really cares when they’re hired/fired. It’s not like anyone claims that they’re that important.
And yes, players are in most cases are immutable objects, who can’t improve just because you tell them to. Players who’ve hacked in the past will most likely hack in the future, just like players who’ve hit home runs in the past will most likely hit home runs in the future. That’s why you try to sign players who’ve actually shown the ability to draw a walk/hit a home run/whatever in the past. That’s the whole idea behind being a GM. You don’t throw a 30 year old Juan Uribe at your hitting coach and expect him to suddenly teach him the art of drawing a walk.
And getting your batters to always take the first pitch will not make them patient, it will just make them hackers who always take the first pitch, which isn’t much better. It might be even worse (always taking or always swinging, in any situation, is always a bad idea).
Patience is a skill, it’s not something that you can just decide to have. I can’t even think of one example of a major leaguer who truly turned from a hacker into a patient hitter past the age of, say, 25. And even that’s really rare – the vast majority of patient hitters showed patience in the minors.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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Okay, then what’s the solution?
BTW – I don’t really subscribe to the theory that hitters are immutable objects. Athletes can and have changed their approaches. For example, look at pitchers who tinker with their mechanics to maximize effectiveness, or even reinvent themselves to prolong a career when their velocity is down. Hitters can modify their stance and their bat movement, adjusting their timing when approaching at-bats. I fully believe that these same hitters can also improve their pitch selection and improve their patience, if that sort of thing is really, truly required by the organization and the structure is put in place for it. There are tendencies that batters will have that may not be correctable, but I think that with proper instruction, perhaps those tendencies can be de-emphasized in favor of more productive methods.
But maybe I’m just giving professional athletes, who do this for a living, too much credit.
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All of these adjustments are relatively minor ones. You’re asking veteran hitters to completely overhaul their approach – an approach they’ve probably had since little league. There’s a big difference.
And even if it could be done, you agree that it would take a very special amount of effort from the organization, right? But if the FO really cared about it that much, why wouldn’t it just sign patient players?
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
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Modern hitting coaches only monitor the biomechanics of swinging the bat.
They can make your swing more efficient, but they don’t teach when not to swing.
I hear Big Kahuna Burger has some tasty burgers
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 15, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
But you can complain that he didn’t have the sense to dip it in batter, deep fry it and make tasty shit nuggets. Shit burgers just make no sense.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Why should he? And how do you know that he didn’t? In both cases it’ll just taste like shit.
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You're the one who mentioned burgers.
Lighten up… are you really arguing the facts of a shit burger metaphor?
BTW, anything dipped in enough batter and deep fried will taste OK.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just playing along. And I like the analogy – Uribe = shit, deep frying shit is like trying to teach Uribe patience, etc.
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So we just need to roll Uribe in some sort of flour analog to make the Lansford batter stick better. Problem solved.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
JOHNNY DISASTER EATS FRIED SHIT
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2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
NO I SERVED IT TO U
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
True, but you’d think the chef would at least be able to teach the pile of shit how to take a pitch.
I think Flannery should take more control of this team, and give the “take” sign, A LOT. Two balls and no strikes? Take this pitch no matter what, Eugenio.
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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Always taking with two strikes is a terrible idea. One of the most important things about patience is that it helps you get into those kind of counts, so you can get a pitch to hit.
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One awful game to witness
and aptly symbolic of the Giants’ effort tonight was Velez’ attempt to be nice to the crowd in left, ending his warmups before the bottom of the 7th, where he tossed the ball happily, doing a little giddy spin-dance-throw, and the ball hit a facade and fell back onto the field
Juan Marichal's bat > JR's head
lol yikes
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LOL
Now look at me. I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 14, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
from sfgiants.com news headlines
“Concentration key for Giants’ Velez”
Haha right.
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 15, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Just wanna say
w00t ninurz!
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Best part about last night’s game: those new unis are excellent
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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
IKR!!!!
I was so pumped to finally see them. They are EPIC
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by bondslegend on Aug 15, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea dude, but i’m pissed bout Clayton, and i kinda wanted to see more of Nate Davis, but no pass rush, as expected
Sheets>>>>Clayton
He looks like he’ll actually be able to do well against real NFL players. Clayton never really looked that good IMO. His running style was pretty weird. Definitely hope he catches on somewhere though
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by bondslegend on Aug 15, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Zito still the new Cain
Oh, fo’ shame.
"It is amazing how much can be accomplished if no one cares who gets the credit." - Coach John Wooden
Zitain
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Time for an Eric Clapton parody
chorus:
Get no runs
Get no runs
Get no ruuuuuuns…
(audience sings) Zitain!
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 14, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Beyond the door
There’s peace I’m sure.
And I know there’ll be no more…
Giants offense in heaven
by Hoist That Rag on Aug 14, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
We had some nice ones here. That was back when he was crappy Zito, though.
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From a non-cocaine part of that link
Buster Olney (ESPN) has some notes on Barry Zito this spring. Olney stated Zito’s curveball was not as biting as previous (that is not a big thing yet because of the thin Arizona air) but also stated his FB was in the 80-82mph range.
WHO’S LAUGHING NOW?
…well it’s still not me, but at least Zito has been decent this year.
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Good thing I missed this one
Would have crushed my hopes and dreams. Now Im just in denial
Chris Dominguez: Bringing dingerz back to The Bay (In a while)
The Mathematics of Suck
saw on chron live
With 48 games remaining, it’s too early to call it a make-or-break trip. But this is true – the Dodgers are the only team in the National League West to have a winning record against the division at 32-13, while the Giants are 20-21. And entering Sunday, the patient L.A. hitters had seen 17,705 pitches this season, most in the league, while the Giants had watched an N.L.-low 15,086.
17 705 – 15 086 = 2 619
2 619 / (162 – 48) = 22.97 pitches per game
so the dodgers see 23 more pitches per game on avg than the giants, or about 17% more. thus, a lot more shitty middle relievers
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/2105390.html?storylink=pd
I have a feeling that if they were at least able to take more pitches, their ineptitude would be easier to handle. It’s just beyond frustrating to watch them suck it up for seven innings, then go out there and swing at every pitch in the 8th and 9th as if they have no idea what’s going on
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by Useful_Idiot on Aug 15, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Do we have an optometrist in the house? I still think half of them need to get their damn vision checked.
Eye drops!
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by bondslegend on Aug 15, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Some guy saw me in the subway wearing my Giants’ stuff and asked me if I’m a die hard fan. When I said yes, he gave me a copy of the media notes, which was pretty cool. The most interesting things were that the Giants are 48-46 when Bengie starts, and 14-7 when he doesn’t. This is not Bengie’s fault, since he’s better than Eli Whiteside, it’s obviously the fault of the idiots who bat him cleanup. And I know it’s small sample size, but the Giants are 3-0 when Pablo catches, and 8-2 when he bats cleanup. They’re 28-21 with Aaron Rowand hitting leadoff, but only 8-16 when Randy Winn does. They’ve now lost 9 of their last 11 against the Mets. Imagine what the record would be if the Mets were actually good. And my favorite thing from the notes was that Juan Uribe’s walkoff HR against the Dodgers was the first walkoff HR by a Giants’ SS since 1987 when it was done by…..Jose Uribe!
embarrassed father of over the hill Edgardo Renteria
did you ask for your giants shit back?!
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by zodiac_chiller on Aug 15, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
This comment will be lost here, but it made me remember this website, where you can get the game notes for any game.
thank you!
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 15, 2009 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
What’s really weird, is when you’ve read the notes and then later hear the broadcasters say something verbatim off that sheet.
I would!
you’ve got 162 games to call, you need your info to come from somewhere..
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by bondslegend on Aug 15, 2009 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
FPOM
So the guy doing the call-in show after the game on KNBR last night wanted to find out what the Giants’ “FPOM” stat would be. FPOM = First Pitch Outs Made.
Do any of the stat-heads have this info available in their mom’s basement? It would seem that if there is a way to determine what percentage of the Giants’ outs are made on the first pitch (compared to how many of such balls go in play or are taken for a ball or strike), it may be an interesting indicator.
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Yes, if compared to other teams.
Although we are certainly running the risk of greater depression.
(Hey, Ms. Maize, about your sig line… are you saying that you tweet more often, following which you blarg? “Then”…)
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 15, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh crap!
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by can of corn on Aug 15, 2009 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Dan Dibley was doing the call-in show
And I looked at the “FPOM stat”. The Giants are 28th in production on plate appearances that end after the first pitch (.311/.316/.474). More importantly, the Giants have the most PA’s that end after the first pitch (ten more than the St. Louis Cardinals).
Here’s a table from B-R: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/split.cgi?t=b&lg=MLB&year=2009#First%20Pitch
by All Shook Down on Aug 15, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
THANKS!!!
I’m only surprised that the Giants are 28th. If Pablo weren’t so successful with his free swinging ways, I suspect we’d have a firm lock on 30th.
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by can of corn on Aug 15, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn't know where to post this since i'm kinda dumb
But, the Lineup today…
LF Velez
2B Sanchez
3B Sandoval
C Molina
1B Garko
CF Rowand
RF Schierholtz
SS Renteria
P Cain
God I fucking hate the people who run this team
Just keep running the same guys out there in the same order! It’s been working SO FUCKING WELL TO THIS POINT YOU STUPID SHITS.
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by bondslegend on Aug 15, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to try Guzman at SS.
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by can of corn on Aug 15, 2009 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Bengie Molina had three good games
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