Pinch hitting for Grate Schierholtz
by chacabuco on Aug 14, 2009 10:32 AM PDT
59 comments
Bottom of the 9th vs the Fodgers on Wednesday, runners on first and second and one out. Grate Schierholtz coming to bat. The Fodgers bring in a lefty. Grate is hitting .452/.455/.742 against lefties this year (granted, only 31 ABs).
Rowand promptly grounded into a 6-4-3. Personally, I didn't even watch it. I just sat down when the move was announced and since everyone in my section was standing, I only had to hear the collective groan of the crowd to know exactly what had happened.
I've taken the obligatory 48 hours to cool off on this issue, but I'm still furious. I think the move had to be Bochy because no manager hits for "developing" players in clutch situations more often than this guy. Did this peeve anyone else the way it peeved me? Makes no sense.
Which begs the question, how depressing will it be when he signs a 3-year extension after we just miss the playoffs this year?
Follow up question: Are the Giants winning "despite" Sabean and Bochy this year or because of them?
This FanPost is reader-generated, and it does not necessarily reflect the views of McCovey Chronicles. If the author uses filler to achieve the minimum word requirement, a moderator may edit the FanPost for his or her own amusement.
0 recs |
59 comments
Email
Print
Comments
It’s been discussed and Bochy didn’t seem happy about the decision in the post-game press conference.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Aug 14, 2009 10:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting that the ejection actually did matter, leading to the wrong decision by the interim manager (in this case the interim to the interim)
With malice towards the Dodgers
by heimy25 on Aug 14, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed that discussion. Was Bochy upset that he hit into the DP, or that Nate was pulled for Rowand? Pinch hitting a righty seems right out the same playbook he has been using all year so you can’t really blame the coaching staff. I would think Bochy would go for Garko though because he is less likely to hit into a DP
by m34josh on Aug 14, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
during the post game press confrence, Bochy said it was Flannery’s decision to PH for Nate, and he seemed quite annoyed by it.
by tyrannoman on Aug 14, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that answers my question, actually.
Thanks.
by chacabuco on Aug 14, 2009 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, a new scapegoat!
Blame Flannery! He’s pretty well screwed up this whole year. Or not.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2009 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I sing that to the tune of ‘Blame Canada’?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 15, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russel Martin is Canadian. Blame Russel Martin!
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 15, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this plan!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
The first Chester Arthur fanboy ever.
by groug on Aug 15, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Blame'"
is french for “Suck it”
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game currently in early planning stages.
by zenbitz on Aug 15, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ca c'est vrai.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Aug 18, 2009 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a dumb move, but Rowand IS a better hitter than Schierholtz against lefties. Platoon differences are real.
And really now: “Grate”? Really?
by Evan on Aug 14, 2009 10:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, Schierholtz hit LHP pretty well in the minors – well enough that I don’t think you’d pinch hit for him against them – and has hit them well so far in the majors as well.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Aug 14, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s why it was a dumb move. You’re burning one of your few bench players to hit for one of your better hitters.
But Nate’s minor-league numbers show that he was consistently worse against lefties than against righties, while Rowand for his career is hitting a cool .288/.348/.501 against lefties.
by Evan on Aug 14, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was worse against lefties than righties – but he still had a .800+ OPS vs lefties.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
by jponry on Aug 14, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but the small-sample brigade around here seems to believe he’s one of those rare lefties who his better against lefties, which he clearly isn’t. I think it’s important to make that point. Nor is Rowand horrid against lefties, as his 2009 numbers would suggest — just the opposite, in fact.
by Evan on Aug 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dismay
I happened to make my way over to the GameDay site just as the Giants pinch-hit for Nate with Aaron. I distinctly remember thinking WTF. Well, more like WT… in my case, but you get the idea. It’s time to take the training wheels off.
FREE NATE!
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2009 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rowand is also slower, farther away from first base for the DP, nursing a hamstring injury and in the midst of a 2 for 20 streak…
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 14, 2009 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah … I do think it was a bad move, just saying that you have to look beyond recent splits.
by Evan on Aug 14, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was more in the spirit of reinforcing your point…
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 14, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, you have the world’s slowest man on first base, making a ground ball a sure DP. And Rowand hits into a shitload of GIDPs. It was a completely boneheaded move.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
by can of corn on Aug 14, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
I was initially annoyed at the choice to pinch-hit for Schierholtz, but became even more angry when Garko was pulled back in favor of Scott.
by ryanmiles on Aug 14, 2009 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was the worst part of it. I didn’t think you needed to pinch hit for Schierholtz there, but if you did want to pinch hit Garko for him I think that would have been a reasonable move. When they sent Garko out and then pulled him back that’s the part that was so absurd.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Aug 14, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not defending the move
I think that Garko was not pulled back but was getting ready to PH for Ishi in the event that Rowand either didn’t get the game winning hit or make 2 outs.
by VizquelQuest on Aug 14, 2009 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good idea
If we didn’t win the game that inning we’d be stuck with Garko in RF the next inning. You’d have to take him out for Rowand. Then the next inning the pitcher’s spot is up and you have no one to pinch hit with.
HA HA HA LOOK AT ME I'M ALL HAPPY AND STUFF NO REALLY CAN WE STOP WITH THE COOKYMAN IS SAD JOKES?
:-) :-) :-)
by Cookyman on Aug 14, 2009 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Topical.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Aug 14, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tropical?
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Aug 15, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did “Grate” become his nickname?
"he walked 18; new league record! Struck out 18, another new league record! He also hit the sportswriter, the PA announcer, the bull mascot twice..."
by i did my job on Aug 14, 2009 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Juggergrate?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 14, 2009 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't it be "Great"?
grate has a very different meaning.
by I'm_a_Man on Aug 14, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s referring to how breaking balls go through the holes in Nate’s swing.
by Natto on Aug 14, 2009 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nonetheless, he's got his nickname already.
He’s the juggernaut, bitch.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Aug 14, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JuggerNATE, that is.
I fail. Somebody ban me.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
by EliminateMe on Aug 14, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please accept
my apologies. JuggerNate, it is.
by chacabuco on Aug 14, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would, but I don’t think it would have much effect.
Sergio Romo: striking out professional hitters since 2005. And winner of the 2012 NL Fireman of the Year Award!
by Lyle on Aug 15, 2009 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with your analysis is you’re only looking at Schierholtz versus Rowand and forgetting there is a second side to that equation. George Sherrill eats LHB alive. Seriously, check his career splits. .164/.227/.268 against LHB, .260/.369./387 against RHB.
The dumb move wasn’t pinch hitting for Schierholtz, it was using Rowand instead of Garko.
by KCE on Aug 14, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do people think Garko would have been better than Rowand?
by Evan on Aug 14, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Garko would have popped out rather than grounding into a double play!
by Natto on Aug 14, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the attitude! Keep it positive!
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 14, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Rowand has grounded into twice as many double plays as Garko this year?
by m34josh on Aug 14, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Garko destroys LHP (sOPS+ of 144)
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
by Viliphied on Aug 14, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Gravestone
My anger was loud enough after he grounded into the double play that my wife said for the first time to me “Honey, I’m worried about your blood pressure.” I swear my dying words after my stroke would have been “Put…on … my… gravestone…‘Murdered by Rowand and Giants Management.’”
by I Am Curious Lemaster on Aug 14, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not the biggest Schierholtz fan, but I wouldn’t say he’s grating.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
by oldjacket on Aug 14, 2009 11:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game
as soon as I saw both Garko and Rowand out there taking swings, I thought that Garko was going to hit. But then I realized that this team still is (despite his ejection) Bochy’s team and Rowand would hit. I was pissed. I know that Garko would at least not grounded into a double play.
Praying that Tim Alderson doesn't come back to bite us
by MadBum on Aug 14, 2009 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you think for one sec Bochy wasn't relaying moves from the clubhouse...
I have some old Brooklyn Jock itch spray to sell ya!!
"Buy High-Sell Low"--The Brian Sabean Method Of Trading
by Mordy From Monsey on Aug 14, 2009 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Does that come with a Coney Island Whitefish?
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 14, 2009 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't blame Flan-Bo for going by the book, but I would have kept Nate.
If he’s going to play everyday and be a star, he’s going to have to hit lefties. Plus, I would have taken into consideration that it was only a 1 out situation and Nate’s less likely to GDP. Also, the home team has 6 outs to get a win after they shut down the opposition in the top of the 9th, meaning Nate could have batted again in the 11th after LA got stuffed in the 10th.
by hokysmksbw on Aug 14, 2009 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
On the follow up question:
Giants are winning despite Bochy and Sabean, but they will be extended for exceding “expectations” this year. Ugh. No more Sabean.
by Pearlsofwisdom on Aug 14, 2009 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm afraid of.
Ugh is right.
by chacabuco on Aug 14, 2009 5:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
use +reply when replying
It helps clarity of thread.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 15, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
flannery and bochy must be on the same page
Flannery was managing at the time, and I wanted to throw a brick right through My TV, but I just bought a large screen High Def, Flat screen. Had it been my old TV it would have been bricked.
by bradleybear on Aug 14, 2009 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
same page… wrong book:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Losing-It/Valerie-Bertinelli/e/9781416568186
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
by ringleader3 on Aug 15, 2009 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing It (My Fifteen Minutes) by Valerie Bertinelli
NL West TempestTeapot
Nothing matters , and what if it did?
by victor frankenstein on Aug 18, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2009 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
