Organizational Philosophies
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 11, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
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PrintIt's taken a lot* to settle down from last night's loss. It angered me -- made me nauseous, it did -- when I felt the game was out of reach when the opposition scored four runs. Today was less emotional; I was able to step back and rationally dissect my anger. My airing of grievances with how the Giants run their organization, and why it upsets me:
- Small sample sizes are weighted too heavily when evaluating young players
If a young player comes up and hits .143 over 40 at-bats, that's proof that he's not ready. If Matt Downs goes 5-for-12 in Fresno, it's evidence that he's swinging a hot bat. And we'll be seeing Eugenio Velez for the next two months because he's "figured it out." It certainly couldn't be a case of being all about the Mike Benjamins, no.
If the young player in question hits under .200 while hitting into a lot of bad luck, the small sample of results matters more than the approach at the plate or his minor league numbers. Maybe that deserves its own shiny bullet point.... - Minor league numbers mean nothing
For hitters, at least, though the Sadowski era hints that it might be true for pitchers. Kevin Frandsen hits well throughout the minor leagues? Doesn't deserve a roster spot, and he should shut his pie hole until he's 35. John Bowker dominates AAA? Well, he was nervous, tried to prove too much, and swung a ton of awful pitches. He really did look bad. Instead of letting him get comfortable, though, the Giants gave up after 40 at-bats. Nate Schierholtz hits all throughout the minors, albeit with a less-than-desirable approach? There's no reason to give him at-bats until he has a fluky mid-June run in the majors. Now he's proven.
Anyone can do anything in the minors. Those numbers might have as much predictive power as major league statistics -- if you want to be some bespectacled nerd about it -- but what matters is what a manager's gut tells him. - Veterans are always about to turn the corner
Because minor league numbers mean nothing, it's hard to know just how good a minor leaguer can be. So why would the Giants think about replacing a veteran? Proven players are proven by proving they can hit in a proven way. Just because a guy is 35, looks awful at the plate, and hasn't hit a home run in almost four months doesn't mean that he shouldn't be in the middle of the order. He's proven. C'mon. He'll shape up. Age-related decline is a myth like chupacabras, elves, and home runs.
But what if there's a possibility that one veteran might provide better production than another veteran? Oooh. That's a tough one. But the final bulletpoint helps explain it.... - If a player makes a lot of money, there's no way another player could be an improvement
Sunk costs don't exist in the organization. If the Giants pay a pixie with a broken wing $6M to play first base, and the pixie can't hold a bat, field a ball, or exist in our reality, there's nothing the Giants can do about it. The pixie with the broken wing is paid to start at first base; therefore, the pixie is the best option. He improves the team by making more money. If a player looks like he might be the worst regular in Major League Baseball, but he's making $9M, the Giants will need about 1,200 more at-bats just to be sure he's not good anymore.
Another thing that angered me: losing to the Dodgers. I understand not wanting to make knee-jerk decisions with veteran players; I really do. But at some point, production should matter. Production should matter with minor leaguers trying to break through, and it should matter for veterans who are in no danger of losing their jobs.
Disclaimer: Yes, I understand the Giants are enjoying a winning season. Yes, I'm happy they're contending. Yes, this is just a whirlwind of a fantasy of a magical experience. Yes, this season has exceeded expectations.
*Quaaludes, mostly
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*LOL, my Primary Care Provider wont give me anymore
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I DISAGREE GRANT EUGENIO VELEZ IS SUDDENLY AND INEXPLICABLY THE BEST BASEBALL PLAYER OF ALL TIME!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
CLANK!
Sharlon Schoop - de favoriete Nederlandse honkbalspeler van McCovey Chronicles.
You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
I loved this post. Can I also add: “SWING THE BAT MORE” to this list?
The Giants hitting strategy has been like a Magic 8-Ball.
“I’m striking out a bunch, what should I do Magic 8-Ball?”
/shakes
SWING THE BAT MORE
“I’ve just hit into 5 double plays, what should I do Magic 8-Ball?”
/shakes
SWING THE BAT MORE
“I think I might have herpes. What should I do Magic 8-Ball?”
/shakes
SWING THE BAT MORE!
“The pitcher just walked the last two batters on 8 pitches”
/Swings at first pitch
“The pitcher has as many walks as strike outs this season”
/Swings at first pitch
Option 1 will never happen b/c that would require TWO giants batters to not swing during an entire AB
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Merope was ranting about the whole plate discipline thing last night.
He concluded with “You know, if you make it known to every s.o.b. on the planet that you are going to swing at the first pitch… why would any pitcher throw you anything other than slop?”
To think that the first pitch you see is always going to be the best pitch you see, and so you swing at it 98 times out of 100 is just beyond dumb.
Maybe this will come as news to the Giants organization, but hey, those other teams… they have SCOUTS!!!
If they swing at the first pitch and hit it hard and it’s an out, that’s one thing, but so often, you see them lunge at the first pitch because it’s low in the zone (or low and outside, that’s my favorite!) and it’s like, “Y U DO DIS?”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
Game theory!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 11, 2009 2:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The Giants organizational philosophy in game theory: Given that the world could end at any moment, and each passing moment makes a catastrophic meteor collision even more imminent, the only Nash equilibrium is to see one pitch per at bat. Or less, if we ever figure out a way to do that.
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Self appointed president, ruler, dictator, czar and potentate of the Free Gerald Society. As of... right now.
Or two pitches, but only if the first is a fake bunt.
RICHIE IT DOESN’T WORK IF YOU FAKE EVERY TIME AND NEVER ACTUALLY BUNT
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 11, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What this season has taught me
A poorly run but successful team is much easier to take than a poorly run and massively unsuccessful team – but it’s still often maddening.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
My favorite part of the last 4 or 5 games is the following posts:
F. Sanchez can play SS, slide him over and let Velez play 2nd
Posey can play SS, call him up!
Really?
Minor White > Ansel Adams
NATE SCHIERHOLTZ CAN PLAY THIRD!!!!!!!!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
BARRY BONDS CAN PLAY FIRST BASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t imagine BLB doing front splits to dig on Renteria’s bad throws.
/I BEAT YOU TORRE
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It would make it difficult for the batters to see the ball with the shadow cast by Bonds over the team.
His big chair prevents clubhouse handstands.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
is big chair is a functional lifesize model of The Death Star
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
WITHOUT THE MAGIC EXPLODEY SHAFT! HAHA STFU LOOKE SKIEWCOKER!!!
"Snow woulda had it!!!"
Self appointed president, ruler, dictator, czar and potentate of the Free Gerald Society. As of... right now.
FIRST BASEB BARRY BONDS SECOND BASE BARRY BONDS SHORTSTOP BARRY BONDS PITCHING BARRY BONDS
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
And the Big Cat can play LF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I ♥ BIG CAT
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Now..
Big fan of the Big Cat. Just not in LF.
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
Bugs Bunny needs to pitch though. “Watch me paste that pathetic palooka with a powerful, pachydermous, percussion pitch.”
El Presidente Larry Baer's epitaph
"Nothing important ever happened without me."
In cleaning out our home “office” I recently yesterday came across that VHS tape.
“Strike one, two, three, you’re out! Strike one, two, three, you’re out! Strike one, two, three, you’re out!”
One of these days Warner Bros. will rerelease those classic Bugs Bunny cartoons on DVD. (These days all that’s out is compilations, I could care less about Yosemite Sam and Foghorn Leghorn etc… just gimme da Bunny!")
No way. Bugs always comes out on top. Daffy just gets blown to bits
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
That's because
it’s duck season baseball season
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 11, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
HOT STUFFED ANIMAL ACTION
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Natto is right.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Duckie was my nickname in college
my website is even called Duckwerks.com
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Like Duckie from Pretty in Pink?
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
something like that… I have no idea where it started. I went on a date with my now wife, and when I can back my drunk roomates had dubbed me Duckie
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Darkwing Duck > Daffy Duck
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I make a mean tea-smoked duck.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
muscovy duck > peking duck
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
U DED DUCK
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
DUCK IS 5
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
aight, i have to ask, what’s the deal with the “UR 5” stuff? i kinda get it but don’t…. i feel 5 already
i have no idea where speifically came from… but i would assuming its a play on people responding to trolls online
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Anyone have a link to that thread? Someone mentioned Billy Mays and some random guy got all mad and was like “I knew him stop making fun of him meet me @ da game r u 5?”
BEAT LA
oh shit? it started there?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
the infamous thread
oh you bring it up now??
udd
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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lol ‘this is an unexpected turn’
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
“come meet me at at&t next week when we face the priates i wanna kick the you know what out of you.”
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I think my favorite part of the whole thread is that he wants to fight outside the main gate of the ballpark before the game – I’m not an expert on fighting, but I’d imagine you’d want to fight where there aren’t tons of cops around.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
unless you want to beat all the cops down on your own
But you can do that, right? With just a sawed off broom handle.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Be back later i’ll check it out right now and do it, then get some dodger fans in the process, if i’m not back in an hour, well… there’s your answer
i forgot he claimed he knew billy!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
by ringleader3 on Aug 11, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this unrelated exchange on that thread:
Natto: I’d love to have Kelly Johnson.
Lars: “Kelly wants you too, Natto. He slipped me a note during homeroom.”
Natto: “omgomgomgomgomgomgomgomgomg”
BEAT LA
lars totally won it
http://duckwerks.com/uploads/98e5cce16f6a3903ad0d26a4f75c67ff.png
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
i was there, but since I’m newish i thought it was older
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
i think it was the panda-monium to get him in the ASG that drew me to actually come to the site and post, rather than just read Grant’s works in my RSS reader
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST
/grouphug
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
It was funny because he kept saying, “Come see me at AT&T”
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
convenient for giants fans, i guess
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Yeah and he was completely serious and trying to work it out. Like “I’m gonna be at the game on this date you should meet me at the main gate”
BEAT LA
I hadn’t seen threats of violence over the internet since the AOL days. It’s from the same era as A/S/L.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I take credit for mentioning Billy!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
God, Darkwing Duck was awesome!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I need to see stats on all of the ducks before I can make a valid selection.
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
BANNED
How dare you speak that way about Lorraine Baines Mcfly
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I counter with her “stellar” work in All the Right Moves and Red Dawn.
Too much forehead (fivehead?) and too little acting talent.
Other than that, perfect.
WOLVERINES!
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
I’m pretty sure Hollywood is trying to ruin everything great about my childhood
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
You bite your tongue!!!
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
Between this and the Photoshopped Lincecum Yankee photos, this is killing me.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
A poster here 'shopped Tim in pinstripes
And said it’s a matter of time until he and Cain are Yankees.
I cried and then drank myself to sleep.
Supporting San Francisco Dugout since 2005 and Manny Burriss since 2006, and bringing you all your California League needs since 2009.
by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
banned
deported
possibly assassinated
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Fixed
It’s the possibly probability that disturbs me.
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
/sadface
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
beat up in front of AT&T park with a broom
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
since you are all 5
I am not afraid
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 11, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
now now
I didn’t do both… the Giants will manage to keep one, I’m sure.
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 11, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to go to a movie theater and punch someone now.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
unpossible
Lea Thomspon’s appearance compounds the suck.
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
+1 I agree on every point
Organizational philosophy is the reason Sabean needs to go at the end of the season. I don’t think he is a crappy GM by any means, but I don’t think he is going to make the proper decisions to take this organization and team to the next level.
We don’t need the Giants organization to be run adequately, but we need it to be run exceptionally, and I just don’t think Sabean is the man to do that
by Squire_Boone on Aug 11, 2009 1:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I wish I could disagree, but you're probably right.
If Nukom (I probably butchered the spelling ) is as smart as he appears to be, he would be wise to make a change. Other organizations have made changes to get them to the next level. The Yankees replaced Showalter following the 1995 season with Torre. Torre was the manager that team needed to get to the next level.
Sure, the Giants could do well with Sabean and Bochy, but I don’t think AS WELL as they potentially could under better management. I’m crossing my fingers hoping Nukom understands this.
by Squire_Boone on Aug 11, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
A smart man...
Would never wear this bowtie.
by The Double Deuce on Aug 11, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
lies
Mr. Neukom’s bowties are one of the thousands of reasons why he is awesome.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong.
Great tie. Not with that jacket, however.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr Mayors Ten Best Dressed Baseball Executives List
/waits patiently
My adopted son Matt Downs . Ranked as the 24th best prospect in the Giants farm system by Baseball America !!
THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS
You have just succinctly and perfectly summarized what I would have taken 10 paragraphs and most of the afternoon and evening to say. Sweet! I now have the afternoon free! Thank you!
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Glad I could be of help.
Now lets organize a campaign to convince Nukom to get a better GM and manager!
by Squire_Boone on Aug 11, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
/swings and misses
Sorry Coach
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
/head bowed and nodding in disbelief from Carney
//thumbs up from Shawon
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, it makes Dunston look like a creepy pedophile. HEY KIDS, I GOT CANDY!!!!
But maybe that’s a feature, not a bug.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Does Walrusman use candy too?
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I think it’s STIX
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
and that is spelled WHYY
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
HIS PALM IS RED, CAN'T YOU SEE ARE YOU BLIND?
And if you are blind, how did you get that way?
Huh? HUH?
I miss WalrusMan.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
he's gone?
what happened to him?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
jponry defeated him in a steel cage match for the mod duties heavyweight belt.
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And Leon’s getting Larrrrrger
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
RUSH!
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
No way dude – we’re still strong!
RUSH!!!!!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
RUSH!
/flys by night
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just as planned...
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I bet she’s behind the mysterious disappearance of kenshin, too…
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Kenshin is an intern. We’ll see him again next summer.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
All I'm saying is...
…if I was Natto, I’d be watching my back.
Meet my new son: Sundrendy Windster, on the Curacao-SF express (via Arizona).
Uncle Shawon?
that candy you gave me is makin’ me real sleepy.
"I would've been here sooner but I had to shake the Veleasels"
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 11, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I liked it...
Wait…are you saying Shawon won’t be giving me candy bars every time Bengie flails at slop?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
The veteran ones are definitely annoying but I think the ones regarding minor league players are the worst for me. I can’t get over how small of a shot Bowker got – I’d even thought it was much longer than it was but 33 AB? REALLY??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
I think (hope) Bowker will get an extended look next year. Methinks the opening day outfield will/should be Bowker, Rowand, Shierholtz.
Fixed
Bowker,RowandVelez, Shierholtz
Rowand will be a waiver casualty to the ChiSox!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
that would be cool
Wall-E for Best Picture 2008
2009: The return of Los Galacticos!
by Useful_Idiot on Aug 11, 2009 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Travis loves that pitch too. Why does it seems like every single left handed hitter out of the Giant’s farm the last couple years cannot lay off of that pitch?
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
it's not their fault
when you swing at every pitch, some of them are bound to sliders in the dirt.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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by zenbitz on Aug 11, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2009 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
note
most of them also batted .300 in Fresnopia
Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti. "I treat Timmy differently from most pitchers: I leave him alone."
There's 3 ways to do something: the right way, the wrong way, and the Max Power/ Ginats Way...
by natteringnabob on Aug 11, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
If only Selig would see that the slider is devasting baseball and ban it!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of expect the Giants to sign someone like Endy Chavez and probably dump Lewis, FREDEMPTION notwithstanding.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Chavez might not be ready to play until 2nd half next year. Nasty collision in Seattle tore up one of his knees.
I didn’t know that, but I also didn’t mean I think they’ll sign him specifically – he’s an example of the sort of player I expect them to go after.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
no, AJ Pierzynski=gamer
oh, wait…..
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
no, knee to the groin = AJ Pierzynski
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Do younger people know about ludes?
Dennis Leary had a bit 15 years ago about how no one does those anymore.
Qualudes=Classy Veteran Drugs?
Nerd alert
Interesting story. Quaaludes were made with a particular chemical that basically had no use except to make quaaludes. The Feds/DEA/FDA/somebody went after the manufacturers of the chemical and they stopped production.
Some combination of the chemical being hard to make, the precursors not readily available from cold medicine or the like, and the availability of acceptable substitute goods made quaaludes just disappear.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 11, 2009 3:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Aadik already summed up the Giant’s inexplicable distaste for working the count and getting on base by “cheating the game” but it’s just so frustrating that I can’t get over it. They’re completely dependent on hits to get on base and score. Stringing together multiple hits is hard enough but when you combine that with a lineup that has so little power, it becomes clear for everyone watching that it’ll be very hard to score many runs. ARGH. STUPID COACHES. FREE TEACHER TEACH SOMETHING
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
Ted Williams walked over 2,000 times in his career. I wonder if Dunston thinks he cheated the game? What does that even mean? Did he not notice how good Bonds was when he was here? And that one of the things that made Bonds so omgamazing was his incredible plate discipline?
I HAVE QUESTIONS
Shawon could give a shit about BLB. All he cared about was his free Mercedes.
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
the full quote
“I’m sorry, but you walk 80 times a year, and you don’t hit .300 ever in your career, you’re not that good,” he said. “But he’s up there, putting it on the line. Guys who walk a lot, they say they have a good eye. Maybe they’re just protecting their average. They’re protecting their average, cheating the game.”
what a fucking idiot
My favorite part about that quote is that Shawon was a sub-.270 hitter who hit .300 in a full season ONCE.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I came across another image like this one in a GIS – why exactly were Cubs fans so excited about a .278 average that they felt the need to make signs about it!? I mean, I know they’re Cubs fans, so there’s that, but still.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Besides his arm and athletic ability, Dunston is best known for the sign. According to the book “Essential Cubs,” the Shawon-O-Meter began in 1989. In April that season, Dunston batted .160 with one RBI. By May 21, he was 15-for-98 (.153). The Cubs were 22-19, and trailed the Mets by a half game.
In Houston, Dunston went 4-for-10 and drove in four of the team’s 13 runs to sweep the Astros and move into first place. For the rest of the season, Dunston did not go three games in a row without a hit.
The Cubs returned to Wrigley on June 5 with Dunston riding a seven-game hitting streak and his average up to .203. The sign was the idea of James Cybul, Melinda Lehman and David Cihla. The original, three-fold, sign barely made it through the series before falling apart. The three constructed a new, sturdier sign that would become a fixture in the bleachers.
He went 5-for-17 as the Cubs took three of four against the Mets, and was batting .213 on June 8 that year. By July 6, it was up to .236 after a late home run against the Padres. He had three hits and six RBIs on Aug. 12 in a 9-7 win over the Phillies to keep the Cubs 2 1/2 games ahead of Montreal.
On Sept. 22, Dunston was hitting .281, which was duly noted by the “Shawon-O-Meter.” He finished the season with a 13-game hitting streak, batting .422 in that stretch. He extended the streak to 14 games on Sept. 26 when the Cubs clinched the pennant in Montreal. Dunston would finish the ’89 season with a .278 average. He batted .305 against the Mets, .310 against the Expos and .325 against the Cardinals that season.
A 1989 version of the sign, showing Dunston hitting .278, was requested by the Smithsonian.
apparently a later version is in the Hall of Fame…
I guess that considering where he started the season, avg-wise, .278 was quite an accomplishment
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
HE PUTZ DA BALLZ IN PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Shut up, Shawon Dunston.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
May 9, 1997 Shawon Dunston makes 3 errors in one game
vs SF. club record.
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
One name doesn't belong on this list
By Teddy Greenstein Tribune staff reporter
November 15, 2002
New manager Dusty Baker plans to seek advice from every Cubs great he knows: Ernie Banks, Andre Dawson, Billy Williams, Shawon Dunston, Ryne Sandberg and Rick Sutcliffe.
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t Bond’s career average under .300? So according to Dunston, he’s not very good.
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, he said “ever in your career,” not “for your career.”
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
And Barry’s career average is .298, FYI.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
~70 hits shy of 3000 too
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, in my rage, I read that incorrectly. I’m sorry Shawon.
Jesse Foppert: I Still Believe. Maybe a little less now.
"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen." ~Bob Lemon,
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Shawn Dunston was Alfonso Soriano with less power.
cut AS’s HRs in half and you have SD
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Chronicle
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/07/07/SPO618JUOP.DTL
Ugh. Dunston does suck. Fire him now, please.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
Yes please.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
I said this last night, but it needs to be repeated:
I want this club to score more runs (period, and compared to the other team, as well). To score runs, batters must get on base. Ergo, I want more guys to get on base and I don’t fucking (sorry, but this quote makes me really angry) care how they get there. IT DOESN’T MATTER HOW YOU GET ON, AS LONG AS YOU GET ON BASE, YOU CAN SCORE RUNS!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
getting on base means you didn't make an out
which is considered a good thing in most of the baseball world
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
Agreed. 93 impure, inorganic, non-platonic hollow victories in a season would hurt one's soul.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Dunston's "philosophy" is beyond ridiculous...
As much as I enjoyed Pablo getting some recognition, Lee Jenkins’ Sports Illustrated piece on Pablo Sandoval was one of the worst things I’ve read in SI in some time. I guess I’d at least have to go back to when Rick Reilly was still writing for them.
There were plenty of outrages in the article, but the Shawon Dunston paragraph was a real standout:
“…Longer at bats have led to longer games, and though purists can appreciate the 12-pitch confrontations, the casual fan just wants to see someone like Sandoval take his hacks. As Giants infield coach Shawon Dunston, a notorious free swinger in his playing days, puts it, ‘You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.’”
I mean, just the first sentence left me pretty bewildered. I mean, did Jenkins take a poll and find out that casual fans want quick at bats? Does this mean that casual Giants fans are happier when Pablo or Bengie or Richie “takes his hacks” and GIDP’s on the first pitch than they were when Barry would homer after a 10-pitch battle? OK, that’s not really a fair question. How about this one: Are they happier with a first pitch GIDP than with a 10-pitch battle that results in same? I mean, the whole premise seems weird to me. I always thought that all fans—casual and “purist”—were mainly interested in their team winning.
About Dunston…since he’s an infield coach, does he even give advice on hitting? Wouldn’t Carney actively discourage that, unless they were on the same basic page?
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
I thought the massive number of commercials between innings had extended the game
I must have got that wrong.
suck it Bruce Jenkins
That guy does so much talking out his ass that he should use chapstick down there. He is, after all the king of “You don’t have to look at stats to know if someone’s a Hall of Famer. When they are, you just know.”
"The questions are so stupid. I don't believe in rivalries. I don't believe in curses. Wake up the damn Bambino, maybe I'll drill him in the ass."
- Pedro Martinez, asked about the Curse of the Bambino
RANDY WINN SHOULD LEARN HOW TO SWING A BAT
by HOLDEMUPwuzzBANNED on Aug 11, 2009 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Random Question, if i can’t go to the game tonight is there a way i can give it back? or is stubhub the way to go?
givitame!
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Well shit, i just posted them on stubhub… 52 bucks and low price min is 45, one sec… it’s section 126, sorry bout that guys https://www.stubhub.com/san-francisco-giants-tickets/?ticket_id=202198705&quantity_selected=2 sorry bout that guys, dad’s philosophy there, and wanted money for it
You probably just enabled some Dodger fans to go be assholes tonight.
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Shawon Dunston was an idiot when he played for the Cubs
Dunston was a career .269 hitter with 150 home runs and 668 RBI in 1814 games. He seldom walked, which is why, despite his decent batting average, during the 18 years he played his on-base percentage was the second worst of those with at least 4500 plate appearances.2 Bill James noted that Dunston was an “eternal rookie, a player who continued until the end of his career to make rookie mistakes.”3
—Wikipedia, under, well, u figure it out.
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
He’s an expert at throwing the ball really, really hard.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
throwing hard coach.
every team needs a THC.
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Daily practice at 4:20
I thought I didn’t care… then I fell in love with Panda and now I’m not so sure anymore. - Smoke On The Water
by jhiat00 on Aug 11, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dunston hit a HR in the game-that-shall-not-be-named. He gets a forever pass in my book.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
and what effect did that have on the game? sure, it would have been a nice story if they had won, but they didn’t, and now he is poisoning the developing minds on this team.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
lol @ the internet
and now he is poisoning the developing minds on this team.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
lol @ format fail
lol @ the internet
and now he is poisoning the developing minds on this team.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
i don't get it...
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
My bad.
Isn’t this a little bit of the typical internet “sky is falling” syndrome? How is he poisoning the minds of our hitters? Also, I guess the homerun doesn’t count because we lost?
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
I’m with you on the homerun thing, but he is preaching a hitting philosophy that is terrible to hitters who are naturally inclined to follow it anyway. He’s reinforcing negative behaviors in our hitters, which is about as much as you can poison their minds.
In short: Shawon Dunston is doing as much as he possibly can to hurt the hitters on this team. Maybe it has a small effect, maybe it has a big one, but he shouldn’t be doing it.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
So you want me to please think about the children. I guess.\
That HR was pretty cool at the time, though. NEVER but try to FORGET
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
Oh trust me, if the sky was falling, McCovey Chronicles would have three fanposts after MLBtraderumors.com reported it.
Yeah, maybe he’s just talking out of his ass and the players don’t listen to him. However, considering their hack-tastic ways, it seems to me like it’s becoming a clubhouse mentality that favors aggressiveness over getting on base at any cost, and if Dunston didn’t create that mentality, he sure as heck is fostering it.
And by no means am I saying that his home run meant nothing or didn’t count. I’m just saying that he shouldn’t be enshrined in Giants lore and get a pass from the organization or the fans because of it, and it definitely does not excuse the mentality he brings to the current clubhouse, which is killing the team.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
They are two separate things...
…what Dunston did in ’02, and what he is doing now.
Dunston’s home run in Game 6 was very cool, and might’ve ended up being somewhat heroic, almost in a J.T. Snow 2000 NLDS kind of way, had things gone the way they should’ve. The HR does causes me to think of Dunston more fondly, when I think of the 2002 World Series (which isn’t often).
What he is evidently doing now is idiotic and harmful, and basically, I couldn’t give a flying flip what he did in 2002, if what he is doing now is a big part of what is screwing this team up right now.
In the end, it’s yet another little thing that makes me wonder about Brian Sabean’s capacity to build a World Series champion. Why was Shawon Dunston hired? What does he do well that helps make the Giants a better ballclub? When I look at the Giants media guide and see all the former Giants and former front office people who hold down little more than a title, I begin to suspect that people get hired and kept around for a lot of reasons other than merit and ability. It looks to me very much like an old boy/crony network that isn’t very effective.
I’d love to see someone young and sabermetrically-oriented come in and clean out the dead wood.
Why couldn't McCovey have hit the ball just three feet higher??
Do you really believe this?
What he is evidently doing now is idiotic and harmful, and basically, I couldn’t give a flying flip what he did in 2002, if what he is doing now is a big part of what is screwing this team up right now.
Sounds like internet craziness at its finest. He’s a f**king infield coach. He’s not responsible for Rowand’s inability to hit curves, Bengie’s fall-off super slump, or our young players inexperience. Come back from the ledge.
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
There may be some hyperbole going on here, but you can’t think that if this guy is telling some of our younger players, “Just swing at everything! Walks make you gay!” that they aren’t listening, and that it’s detrimental to an approach they need to employ. Namely, taking a fucking pitch.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I too would like to see someone young come and clean out dead wood.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Aug 13, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Part of what some people might not grasp is that while we’re all stoked the Giants are in the playoff hunt – in August, mind you – the way they take at bats is not conducive to ending the season in the hunt for the playoffs. I can’t help but think that stupid decisions like batting Winn 5th is just the type of decision-making that’s going to doom this team in the end.
Grant, your writeup is spot on. And that makes me weep.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
If they do end up in the playoffs it could very well be a humiliating experience. If they play like they do when it really counts, which is not a pretty picture.
by BittyBee Loche on Aug 11, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Just this morning I was thinking that I hope they don’t make the playoffs. They’d be humiliated in the first round, scoring maybe a total of 2 runs over 3 games.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
No
Who cares if they get humiliated? I’d rather take the chance that they do well.
If 2003 Edgardo Alfonzo could light the world on fire in the division series, anyone can.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
I still hate Timo Perez and Benny Agbayani.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
True story
I used to know a Mets fan who ranted and raved about how signing Roberto Alomar and ditching Benny Agbayani proved the Mets’ front office was inept and knew nothing about baseball.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
I’m just cranky with the team right now. But I do wonder if it’s better to make the playoffs and get stomped, or not make the playoffs and prod management to make some necessary changes before next season.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
We’ve had enough years of not making the playoffs.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
True. And maybe I’m just too pessimistic for my own good. But I don’t want to be crushingly disappointed yet again.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
I think making the playoffs would be beneficial for the young players on the team.
As fans we won’t be expecting them to go to the World Series so we shouldn’t be too bitterly disappointed.
Remember how Lincecum struggled with high pressure / high intensity situations on opening day this year and at the All-Star game? Cain, Sandoval and the others have yet to play in the Bigs under that sort of pressure, getting them all some on-the-job-training might not be a bad thing.
Well now you’re just going and making sense. I’m too busy overreacting and letting my emotions take over!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
exactly
a lot of times teams that win the WS have lost in the playoffs the previous seasons when they were knocking on the door (Like the Phillies in 2008, Cardinals in 2006, Red Sox in 2004) especially when they have a good nucleus of players that helps them win consistently. Hatred of losing can also be a huge motivating factor for these squads.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
All of those organizations are well-run and have an idea of how to build a team. Do you think that both of those are true of this organization?
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
certainly not as well as those orgs. Sometimes I feel like the Giants are starting to get a clue, but then reality kicks back in. But I also don’t think that kinda thing is more than a one-year process and as far as I can tell, this team has been in rebuilding mode only since 2008.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes – at the risk of sounding like a grit worshiper, I think playoff experience is invaluable…
Duane Kuiper: Hall Of Fame broadcaster.
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2009 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You know I love you & your niblets, but
I have to say two things about that comment. One is that there is no humiliation for THIS team to make the playoffs THIS year and get curbstomped in the first round— no shame in that, given everything.
The other is that NOTHING will teach THIS front office anything. They just won’t get the signal. They just won’t derive the right lesson or search for (or develop) the right skill sets. Rule One of No Org Philosophy Club is: No Learning. Rule Two is: Try to make everyone think it’s actually Fight Club.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Upon reflection, you are correct on all counts.
It would be great if the team made the playoffs, even if my sorrow would be so much deeper if they were shutout in three games and promptly eliminated.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
If that were to happen, we will all be here for you.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, man
Be sure to bring lots of beer.
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
Oh-- waaaaaaay ahead of you.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I could live with getting beat in the playoffs by a superior team playing superior ball, but this Giants team constantly shoots itself in the foot with inept offense and brainless slop hacking and if they make the playoffs that’s very likely how they’ll lose. I’ll watch it and curse it.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s that? Playoffs? You talk about playoffs! Playoffs?! I hope we can win a game!
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 11, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
how am i supposed make my teamates better in practice?
I don't know anything about minor league players, so I adopted the Coke Bottle, someone please help me.
I also make music, please check it out
Practice? You’re talking practice?
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 11, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
what’s so amazing is that this team has basically won in spite of itself.
It continually fails to do the little things right on offense, despite being a team that desperately NEEDS to do the little things right to score runs. A team with trouble getting on base should spend extra time working the counts and tiring out opposing starting pitchers, instead of all the first ball slop hacking.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 2:04 PM PDT reply actions
they should do like Bocock did to start the season last year, crouch down real low and hope the pitcher walks you.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
it’d be a start. at least make pitchers throw strikes before swinging.
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not making this up
Brian Bocock’s BB% from last year would lead our team.
Still the loving, adoptive father of Hector Sanchez. And who doesn't love switch-hitting catchers with power and patience?
Random thought
If y’all could hire a new GM, Manager, and coaching staff tomorrow, who would you want?
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
1) J.P. Riccardi
2) Billy Beane
3) Agent Ned
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
In all honesty, I would take that girl assistant GM from the Dodgers or Gillick
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude, her name is only five letters long – you can retain that much information!
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
Itry not to reatin to much dodger trivia
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Please be kidding about Ricciardi
That guy should have been great, but has been lousy in Toronto. Pass.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Look up above, and you’ll see the fix. Obviously he wants JR Phillips to be the GM of the team. Because SHN knows where it’s at!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
o
I am kidding. I really want them to give Kim Ng a chance or make a run at Gillick who is an awesome GM
Minor White > Ansel Adams
by say hey nation on Aug 11, 2009 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone in the Joe Maddon mold would be a great manager for this team. Imagine how good a lineup would be if someone liked playing younger player.
Also Bengie shouldn’t be hitting clean up. Has that been brought up here?
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Sandy Alderson
Paul De Posesta
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
Paul De Posdesta
\Fixed
Why isn't Sabean held accountable for leading the Giants into many years of mediocrity???
I'm still not sure which current Dodgers were acquired/drafted under him
but it would be cool to have a GM with a blog http://itmightbedangerous.blogspot.com/
If it makes anyone feel better
The ESPN AccuScore page is giving us better odds winning tonight than last night. Why, I do not know.
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
Accu-pity
Juan Marichal's bat > JR's head
by titofuentes4 on Aug 11, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
What's worse?
A) A team with so little talent they you know night in and night out that they aren’t going to give you much.
B) A team with budding young stars, which wins enough games to stay in the hunt, but is being held back by internal decisions (from the people who are supposed to have the most interest in the organization).
Only when I am eliminated by MIke Krukow will my life's work be complete
The Giants were pretty much A last year, and this season is definitely better than that.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
Adopted Giant: Fred "OBP and UZR, Dammit!" Lewis
As long as we’re winning, right? But what happens if these mistakes continue to haunt us?
Only when I am eliminated by MIke Krukow will my life's work be complete
And BTW, great piece Grant… EXACTLY how I’ve felt all day, and for most of the season.
Only when I am eliminated by MIke Krukow will my life's work be complete
The Giants, to Grant:
Another quaalude, he’ll love me in the morning
On 5/7, the best part of waking is up LOLDGERS in my cup.
It almost seems like the Giants brass panicked late June or so when gasp the Giants found themselves in contention, if only for the wild card. Suddenly, the philosophy of “let the kids play and grow while understanding that they might suck for awhile” went by the wayside..ushering in the strategy of unlimited at-bats for AuriliaRenteriaWinnRowand et al ’cuz after all, veterans know how to win when the going gets clutch.
I wonder if it might it might have been better (long-term) if they never got to within 10 games of the wild card…
I’m with you on point about playing veterans that have no right to be in the lineup. However, I still don’t understand the hate for Rowand this year. No, he’s not a perfect player and he should never be the third-best hitter on a contending team, but this team is contending he is it’s third-best hitter. Now, he’s not healthy right now and I suspect that that’s hurting his performance. The dude should have gone on the DL as soon as he got hurt right after the All-Star break. However, he has no way earned mention alongside those other three guys. Toss Bengie into that group, if you need a fourth.
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We are all Aaron Rowand?
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Gah! How did I forget about Bengie?
You’re right about Rowand. I shouldn’t have lumped him in there. As a part of the puzzle (like he was in Chi & Phi) he’s damn near the perfect player. I get frustrated when I expect him to be the centerpiece…and then realize that throwing money at a player doesn’t make him a better player necessarily.
This is basically how I feel. Last year’s Scott: terrible. This year’s Scott: useful and can carry a team for a few weeks. I’m rooting for him to continue being useful.
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What’s really disappointing is reading Bochy say something to the extent of, "Well Kuroda was really good and by the time we could get him out we were to their bullpen which is excellent.
For some reason this organization doesn’t connect the dots. If our first 15 batters would of seen another pitche or two, we’d get Kuroda out of the game much earlier.
Not only does seeing more pitches greatly increase the lineup’s chance of being productive, but it’s also a terrific strategy when facing a pitcher with his A game.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 11, 2009 2:19 PM PDT reply actions
Please, Bow Tie, if you are reading this, give us some kind of indication or acknowledgement.
I hope, for the love of God, that somebody reads this blog in the Giants Front office. Not because they need to be told how poorly they are running things, but because they need to realize how frustrated and angry their fan base is.
This season’s success is nice. I understand that. Unfortunately I cringe at the thought that we stumbled upon this success by a combination of sheer luck and dominating individual performances and is almost certain to never repeat it because of our own futility in the front office.
by jctGamer on Aug 11, 2009 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Manufacturing runs, 'cause, ya know, that's what we DEPEND on...
While the overall improved team speed this year has boosted the Giants’ first-to-third acumen (Molina notwithstanding), they still have an uncanny ability to completely strand runners at second base with nobody out. Freddy Sanchez might be the only righty on the team that would consciously employ an inside-out approach to move the runner, and he hasn’t even been here 2 weeks.
It’s not just “Swing at everything.” More like “Swing at everything as though it were the home run derby, with zero regard for the current game situation.”
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More like "Swing at everything as though it were the home run derby, with zero regard for the current game situation."
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that perfectly describes Juan Uribe.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
that is a pretty ugly swing. At some point the bat will fly out his hands and seriously injure someone.
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"Swing at everything as though it were the home run derby, with zero regard for the current game situation."
I see more swings that look like, “HOLY CRAP, THAT SLIDER OUTSIDE IN THE DIRT ALMOST GOT PAST ME!!! Good thing I weakly slapped it foul!” than like they’re swinging for the fences.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
masked my point
More like "Swing at everything as though it were the home run derby, with zero regard for the current game situation."
What I’m getting at is Giants hitters swing as though they expect every pitch is a batting practice fastball down the middle.
A few months ago I was comfortable complaining about how the Giants don’t understand how to take a pitch, but at this point, let’s face the facts: this team is stuck in it’s ways for the rest of the season. This team just doesn’t make adjustments. They could get no-hit in each of the next twenty games, and they would still take the same approach at the plate.
I’m going to turn on the TV tonight and watch Bengie swing at every pitch in the dirt (then wonder why the team hasn’t extended his contract yet), Ishikawa swing at every low-inside breaking ball, Renteria look like a deer in the headlights, and Randy Winn be Randy Winn. That’s just the way it is… The sad part is that we have an offense so awful that it could prevent the best pitching staff in baseball (statistically) from reaching the playoffs. But honestly, it doesn’t surprise me anymore.
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Well, last night at least Ishikawa took a low-inside breaking abll and walked. So everything you wrote must not be true!! Nyah!
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Ishikawa, let the boy hit against lefties.
Bowker laid off two low and in sliders before smashing his triple last week. Progress.
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That explains why they sent him down. Insufficient hackitude!
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I agree with what you’re saying Useful, but I think more people are more worried that changes aren’t being made for the future.
I would be satisfied with just a philosophical change in the minor leagues figuring that the vets are too set in their ways. Unfortunately I don’t see any signs that the organizational hitting philosophy is about to change
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 11, 2009 2:46 PM PDT reply actions
I think we might sometimes overrate our younger players. Do we really think Bowker has a future as an impact Major Leaguer? Or Nate? Or Todd Linden? How do we fail so badly at developing hitters? Why why why…
I do agree with others that our rookies-young players do not seem to get a fair chance at proving themselves, and have been jerked around constantly.
The thing is, we know what Randy Winn’s ceiling is (getting lower by the minute I might add) but do we really know what Bowker’s is? Or Frandsen? Winn & Molina & Renteria are out of surprises…you’ll never catch lightning in a bottle if your bottle is full of Bengie.
From what I understand, Albert Pujols was just some guy in the Cardinal’s farm system.
Let's be fair
The Giants have recently developed young talent. Sandoval, obviously, and Schierholtz. They’ve given Ishikawa ample chances to develop. The guy who played most regularly for the first three months of the season was Manny Burriss. And does anyone doubt that Posey will be our starting catcher next season? All those years we never developed any players at all; right now i see some grounds for optimism.
My question is, how much of our FS improvement is due to Sabean, and how much is due to Dick Tidrow, how much is due to John Barr? We’re reaping some dividends from greatly improved drafting. Isn’t that Barr?
There’s also reason to be skeptical of Bowker or of Frandsen. Bowker wasn’t given much of a chance, it’s true, but he also looked terrible in his few at bats. Let’s not discount the possibility that Bochy or Sabes or the scouting department knows more than we do about player development.
Having said that, there’s no excuse for batting Bengie 4th, or Winn 5th.
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 11, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
See, I’m with you, really I am…until I read the last sentence of your post.
I just can’t reconcile that the same dolts who bat Molina 4th & Winn 5th can accurately evaluate talent.
It’s maddening.
True enough. I’ve done this too: Sabes is a dolt, Bochy’s a moron. They’re not. They’re not idiots. It does make sense to value a veteran over a prospect—veterans have survived the cruel Darwinism of baseball development. Prospects haven’t.
That said, I do fervently wish that Neukom fires Sabes, which also means firing Bochy. I do think we can do better. Let’s admit that for every three failures there’s been one success, and let’s agree as well that that’s not a good enough track record.
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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabes is a dolt, Bochy’s a moron.
pithy exposition.
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by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate and Travis were out of options, so the team was gonna give them a chance to develop or risk losing them outright. However, it did take the team a while to let Nate see the field (remember the Nate who? meme.) And what did we learn? that they could play a little and be useful.
Burriss was the least deserving of the bunch based on his overall track record and he still got a couple months of playing time to prove he sucked. Frandsen gets intermittent PAs before being declared a utility guy who should stfu if he doesn’t like his role. He wasn’t given a real shot.
But, you’re right the team is starting to develop some good hitters.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
and the herky jerky treatment of the minor leaguers prevents the Giants from really knowing what they have and very likely contributes to their failure. When Frandsen comes up for a bereavement leave situation, he knows had better go 4 for 4 or he’s toast. Same with Bowker. That’s a lot of added pressure that young guys don’t need.
Sabes basically said that those call ups of Guzmand, Bowker and Frandsen were all done with the hopes that a hot bat from Fresno could ignite the offense. (Velez, too and he actually did) There was never any intention of keeping them here to work thru any adjustments/struggles. That’s no way to develop useful players.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Linden had a staggering season at AAA, but it was his third full season there, and his K rate was still very high. We now have a better sense of when minor-league K rates are so high that projections break down.
There are also good reasons to think that Frandsen, Schierholtz, Guzman, etc aren’t going to be good major-leaguers.
But Bowker is a different story. The guy murdered AAA in his first real shot at that level, based in part on what appeared to be a significant shift in philosophy. That after he hit .306/.363/.523 with Dodd as his home park, and .255/.300/.408 in the majors, basically jumping from AA to the majors after a short stay at Fresno. Then he goes back to Fresno and hits .341/.444/.607 in 369 PA this year, with a 16.0% BB rate. He even had 58 BB v. 54 K!!
Granted, 369 PA isn’t the greatest sample size, but he put up those numbers in AAA and cut his K rate to 17.7%. What kills me is here’s a guy showing genuine improvement after holding his own in the majors last year (sure, he faded from his big start, but that’s what adjustments are for). Then he goes back to AAA and does EXACTLY what he needs to do to improve. Given more exposure to the majors, we should expect that he’s going to lay off the low inside slider (see SF Pete’s comment posted above as I type this) and that he is going to get better.
I’m not saying that Bowker is the caliber of prospect of the guys I’m going to reference, but that just tells me that if Bowker were a first-round draft pick he would get better treatment and a better shot. Look at the way Gordon Beckham struggled this year before getting hot and making adjustments. Look at Adam Lind, who put up a .678 OPS in 2007 and .755 in 2008 before turning into what he is now. There are so many guys who had the chance to adjust, and Bowker isn’t going to get that much better against the big-league slider unless he has a chance to face it.
BOWKER GOT 36 PA BEFORE BEING SENT DOWN. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This organization is ridiculous. Sure, I understand playing the hot hand, as with Bowker last year and with Velez this year. But the BRASSZZZ seems to have a very limited understanding of hitters and minor-league performance. Sure, play Velez now, but don’t think he’s magically going to keep this level of performance up. If the team wants a power hitter who is cheap and under the team’s control, a guy who will save the money that the team otherwise would spend on a FA bat, THEN PLAY BOWKER. He is the answer, and 36 PA is just ridiculous.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 11, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
but that just tells me that if Bowker werea first-round draft pick36 years old and a 15 year veteran at the ass end of his career he would get better treatment and a better shot.
He won’t get a shot with the Giants, and what’s doubly frustrating is I’d have really liked the Giants to have traded him for Freddy Sanchez. Because I’d really like to see what Bowker could do in a full season in the pros, and he’s got a better chance of discovering that in Pitt than he does in SF.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Maybe Bowker doesn’t but he deserves more than 33 sporadic ABs to prove it.
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PABLO SANDOVAL AM STEAL DEATH, DESTROYER OF WORLDS.
It is my opinion that pie is very delicious.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2009 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
THIS!
and RUSH! is awesome, too. =p
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No you don’t. Science says you’re wrong.
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yeah, neil pert is a scientist of the DRUMS. see, PROOF!
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SCIENCE FAIL
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lol what
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i wish i had something to say about MAN-ON-HORSE being AOK… i have no words
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Hopalong Cassidy
Gene Autry, and other mans on horses.
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
i figured it was something like that
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im listening to RUSH! right now
and I do believe it is kicking some major ass
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HEY NOW
We had a poll a while back and it clearly and conclusively determined that Rush sux. Why do you hate Democracy?
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i demand a recount!
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Because Democracy doesn’t recognize musical brilliance!
It's my blarg! Quick Pitch
And I tweet (more often then I blarg).
It’s coming through a crack in the wall;
on a visionary flood of alcohol;
from the staggering account
of the Sermon on the Mount
which I don’t pretend to understand at all.
It’s coming from the silence
on the dock of the bay,
from the brave, the bold, the battered
heart of Chevrolet:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.
Brian Sabean wants to kick tires. I want to kick Brian Sabean.
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i don’t think I was calling RUSH! ‘genius’… THEY R GUD THO
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Today’s pie make he gets high on you
And the pastries he bakes he gets by on you
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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Lars FTW
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey you got some Rush in my pie.
Hey you got some pie in my Rush.
2 great things that go great together…
like the combination taco bell and pizza hut?
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<3 Lenny
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Lenny=white
Carl=black
Lenny Leonard and Carl Carlson
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Tibor
sez you are a racist
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by natteringnabob on Aug 11, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Democracy...
a great song by The Damned.
and I also am of the opinion that Rush is teh awesome.
FIRE BRIAN SABEAN... UNLESS HE KEEPS DRAFTING WELL. .. AND SIGNS UNDERRATED PLAYERS LIKE AFFELDT OR PHELPS. .. OR ALRIGHT WHO'S PLAYING WITH THE ALIEN MIND-SWITCHING RAY?
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WRONG!
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Thanks for having my back, Sofa King. Pie is good, always.
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Cake is good. Pie is better. FACT!
Joe Martinez: You are cool.
When it's all said and done, America will be remembered for three things: The Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
This makes me want to start a band called Pie just so it would be better than Cake.
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cropped jacket+pencil skirt
Looks pretty fabulous to me.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t affect how attractive she is. It might affect how long I could last, but that’s a whole ’nother issue.
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going the distance isn’t bad…
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OK what’s the story on Boston Cream Pie? Looks like cake sort of but is referred to as “pie”.
Some sort of Commie plot perhaps? Did Rush invent it?
UR5
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U DED DOG
MEET ME AT THE BALLPARK, BUT PLEASE MAKE IT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS BECAUSE AFTER THAT I LEAVE ON VACATION BUT IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ANYTIME BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 6 AND 10 SHOULD BE GOOD FOR ME SO CHECK YOUR SCHEDULE AND CALL ME SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE DATE. ANYWAY UR 5.
BEAT LA
I HAPPENED TO BE OUT OF TOWN ON IMPORTANT BUSINESS UNTIL THE END OF THE MONTH PERHAPS SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER MIGHT WORK OUT BETTER FOR BOTH OF US BUT YOU ARE STILL SO DED AND TOTALLY 5
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might wanna throw a bottle of Gatorade
Just to make sure
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
MAYBE I CAN SHUFFLE SOME THINGS AROUND TO MAKE IT WORK BUT I’LL HAVE TO GET BACK 2 U. IN THE MEAN TIME, STOP MAKING FUN OF DED PPL
BEAT LA
UR ALL 5 NOBODY TALKS ABOUT BASEBALL ON THSI SITE!!11
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wuts baseball?
this isn’t a billy mays gossip site?
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see?
UR 5
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Did someone pee on his statue
or am I misinformed?
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
BASEBALL IS SLOW AND BORING!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
MEET ME IN THE CLUB
IT’S GOIN DOWN
I choose to watch the Giants try to score runs. Not because it is easy, but because it is hard.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Frandsen and John Bowker are just not a good players
How many ABs do they need to convince some of you people?
Somewhere between 43 and an actual fucking sample where you can see what they can do over a prolonged period of consistent playing time.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Heck yea, is it possible for frandsen to do much worse than Edgar? we’re having the same talks every day it seems
seriously dude, i’m not trusting a guy that has bone spurs in his elbow making throws from SS, in my opinion why not give Frandsen a shot at SS, but if not it’s Uribe>>>Edgar, so whatever
Are you Bruce Bochy?
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Wow
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Nah, it’s just his lap-top, kicking some e-tires.
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I think Bowker might be a useful player.
by Wonderful Terrific Monds on Aug 11, 2009 3:21 PM PDT reply actions
Package Guzman, Frandsen and Bowker for freddy Sanchez NOW!!
I still cant believe people wanted to do that trade. Even if Sanchez is playing good.
When people rosterbate while making packages, I always imagine a bunch of players in a box with a ribbon around it.
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 11, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
like this?
Shame on you
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by natteringnabob on Aug 11, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
hah
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: if anyone cares about the UFL (United Football League) San Francisco’s team is called the “California Redwoods” WOOOOOOO! GET PUMPED
cause when i think hard hitting action, i think redwoods
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So after taking a break from this thread for a few hours, I look and see something like “170 new comments”. I say to self, “Hey, maybe Aurilia got cut!”.
Imagine my surprise when in fact, it was just a result of Rush and pie.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
we were talking about billy mays too!
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Pie > Aurilia getting cut > Rush
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I actually have to agree with the hierarchy there
Though Rush is still awesome. Challenge me on it. I’ll meet you out back with a broken beer bottle.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I already have RUSH! so I would have to agree the thing i dont have (lack of richie on this team) might be preferable
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So, i kinda wanted to see what people think here about when you’re at the game and see a fight going on between giants fans and dodger fans, there always seems to be beer thrown at people, am i the only one that thinks it’s stupid? spend 8.50 on a beer that you throw at someone?
9.75 for the good stuff
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True dat.
However, last year’s Fenway incident where a fan hucked a large slice of pizza ($24.99 + tax) at a player was well nigh hilarious.
All aspects of that are stupid.
Fighting over sports is stupid. Throwing beer is stupid. Throwing beer at others in an altercation you’re not even part of is stupid. There’s just not an unstupid angle to that whole situation.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No, if one is in a situation that has escalated to a fight, one is stupid. (So was the other side.)
And DOUBLY stupid if he lets himself get sucked into a bad situation when he’s with his kid. There is just no way you would be at a ballgame and in the position of having to “defend yourself or better yet your kid” without some heavy duty contributory stupidity.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, sure, then you have weeks of advance notice, switched meetings around, can arrange a babysitter, and practice broomstickfu.
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by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Soooo basically your point in a nutshell, walk away… Yea i never really go to a game with the intention of fighting nor would i ever get into a fight at a game, BUT i’m not going to let someone pound me, hence, i won’t throw a punch in that situation i’d just hold him down and wait for help i guess you could say, the way where i would not get screwed
Walking away would be a later option
Actually, I’m saying don’t escalate it to begin with. Don’t add fuel to that fire. People get in fights, but it tends not be random bystanders— it’s someone who was adding energy to the situation. I’m saying it’s stupid to be that person (as well as the person who throws the first punch).
But yes, if you simply cannot control enraging an idiot, then walking away would be smarter than fighting.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Easy for a Mayor to say
Not everyone has bodyguards/goons on the city payroll
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What with the budget cuts, they are now just bodygoons.
Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... Maybe.
by Mayor of 311 on Aug 11, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmmm....
what if you are drunk? Then it’s OK, right?
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Only marginally related...
At the Giants v. Mariners game that Johnson started in Seattle, a guy got thrown out for having a beer thrown AT HIM, the thrower was not ejected. The guy got the beer thrown at him because he wouldn’t sit down when the Giants got a rally going….
Yea that stuff got going last night when this one dodger woman got escorted out by the police, she wouldn’t sit down at all, and her explanation “we do this at dodger stadium all the time, why can’t i do this here?”
when in Rome
Do as the chimpanzees that hurl their own feces, I guess.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
SEATLOL
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
it's a bad idea all around
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup tonight
I haven’t seen a Giant lineup yet, but here is the Dodger lineup for tonight’s game if anyone is interested:
Furcal SS
Martin C
Ethier RF
Manny LF
Blake 3B
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Castro 2B
Wolf P
Any word on who’s pitching for you guys tomorrow?
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Its looking like “a bullpen game” according to Torre. Might have Weaver start, followed by James McDonald, and just see how far they can go. McDonald in particular has been pitching in the bullpen for about 6 weeks so he’s unlikely to go more than 2 or 3 innings. Weaver tends to tire in the 4th inning or so.
by Eric Stephen on Aug 11, 2009 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on history, Wolfe will probably go all 9 innings tonight and you guys will have a fully rested ’pen tomorrow.
by SoFa King Mike on Aug 11, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm intersted in this lineup
Which ones can we have?
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He’s the second or third best hitter in that lineup.
Joe Torre be crazy.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
I hate Joe Torre just for this reason.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That Wolf fellow might hit cleanup for the Giants. LOL Dodgers are stupid and don’t know a good thing when they see it.
Oh and:
Suck
it
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 11, 2009 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That guy batting second can suck it
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MARTIN IT, RUSSELL SUCK
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Suck Russell Martin It
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Chupalo Russell Martin
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
I love that Kemp is still batting 7th.
PS – Suck it Russell Martin!
by The Double Deuce on Aug 11, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
lineup per baggs
2B Velez
RF Winn
3B Sandoval
C Molina
1B Garko
CF Rowand
LF Lewis
SS Renteria
P Martinez
no word on a schierholtz move yet.
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you forgot the OF assist and the pickoff
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not like Bruce Bochy’s lineups
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
also, it suprises me how much it depresses me now when Freddy Sanchez isn’t in the lineup
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. it just depresses me.
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
but does it (k)need to be against the Dodgers?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I See White Yarn Toupee, Derek?
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by UnleashTheGore on Aug 11, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
what depresses me
is that Freddie Sanchez isn’t even that good. His OPS for 2009 is almost .800!!!
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It depresses me to be happy with that number.
Depressed because I’m happy….yep sounds like a Giants fan.
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Y NO NATE?
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forogt =(
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And also, I don’t think he’s on the roster yet.
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No Freddy Sanchez tonight?
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Aug 11, 2009 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
probably needed a standard day off. his knee isn’t 100%, i don’t think
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
which probably means no molina. Bochy is probably just spacing out the off days, which is a good thing
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
nah, just to rid the giants of the suckhole that is 2B
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Per Jeff Fletcher: “Freddy Sanchez out today with sore left shoulder. Could play Weds.”
So I guess the good news is that the knee isn’t the problem?
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damn
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Porcelain!
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Pablo’s D at third has been alright, but I don’t like when he’s the one that fields his position best in the IF.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
valid point. He needs a good defense behind him to do well. If only uribe were healthy…The IF defense for Joey starts should be Panda, Uribe, F. Sanchez and Ishi
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
My god, choosing between the defensive “prowess” of Renteria and Uribe at SS would keep me up at night.
I feel very sorry for Bruce Bochy sometimes.
Randy Winn is in time out until his OBP gets back over .330.
when in doubt, I defer to uribe at SS. however, i bet your statement makes some posters wonder…“how is posey’s D at SS?”
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by Speedforthewin on Aug 11, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Just for kicks, I strolled over to another forum that I used to visit. Poll conducted this morning apparently
Not 100% what I was looking for (was thinking of finding something about Posey at SS), but I think this is representative of how your casual fans feel about the Posey situation.
SSS
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Isn’t he doing ads for Soul Glo now?
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Velez and Lewis both bringing their gloves into the field?? CLANK x 2!
And also – I hate Renteria.
And also – obligatory LOL @ Molina batting cleanup.
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Bowker >>>>>> Freddie >>>>>>> Nate
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 11, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? Fangraphs disagrees with you:
Nate and Lewis have both been more valuable this year than Bowker was last year, even with Lewis’ down year.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
Nate’s hacktastic ways are worrisome. Jeff Francoeur was valuable for a while.
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Todd Linden also once had a season in the minors like Bowker’s, also at age 25. Just saying…
Insanity is just a state of mind.
at some point, they have to play with a bench of more than 1.
Bench tonight :
Ishikawa (1B only, healthy)
Sanchez (injured, unable to go)
Uribe (injured, unable to go)
Whiteside (backup catcher)
Aurilia (suck muscle still hurting)
When it it time to pinch hit, what option is there? Is there even a double switch option short of taking out Garko?
It makes perfect sense for them to put Uribe on the DL today given Freddy’s condition, retroactive to almost 10 days ago, but this organization refuses to do so. Why? It makes no sense whatsoever. They could have had Nate’s bat in the lineup, DFA Aurilia when Uribe is ready to come back.
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Aurilia in at SS! Starts for the rest of the season!
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They would probably just play Sanchez if all he has is a sore shoulder.
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hardly notice
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is Bochy you're talking about...
…there is always a double switch option.
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I'm so sick of this injury mismanagement
Uribe has had exactly 1 PA since August 1st. If they’d just put him on the freaking DL back then they’d have had a backup infielder all this time and he’d still be eligible to come back by this weekend. This on top of Rowand’s bench vacation in July.
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Yeah, but who do you call up for utility infielder?
Frandsen? Ha! As if he deserves it!
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Baggz update
No move to activate Nate Schierholtz today, and perhaps not tomorrow. Freddy Sanchez has a sore left shoulder and the Giants cannot afford to subtract an infielder for an outfielder. It would appear Rich Aurilia receives a reprieve for another day or two, at minimum. Regardless of his stats this season you have to acknowledge it is an unfortunate situation given Aurilias long relationship with this team. This is a business, though.
Sanchez felt his shoulder on a swing Monday and it was stiff when he went to the cage today. Probably will start Wednesday, Bruce Bochy said.
not shown: richie with a mr f voodoo doll
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wear it anyway!
WEAR IT PROUDLY!
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It is so blasted hot here. I’m hoping it’s cool and pleasant in teh city. I’m over this 100 degree bullshit.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 5:18 PM PDT reply actions
Oh, I am
He will at least be at the park tonight. I should have gone over for batting practice and harassed him to sign it.
FINISH HIM
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone following the fracas in Boston? Guys were throwing at guys, Porcello drilled Youkilis, and then Youkilis lost his shit and charged the mound. Threw his helmet and took Porcello down. Francona just got tossed for arguing about an inning later. Only the second inning!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 5:19 PM PDT reply actions
threw his helmet at Porcello that is
One of the pro-Boston dipshits said “he didn’t appear to throw his helmet AT Porcello, but to distract him.”
My ass he didn’t throw the helmet at him. The dude took Porcello down with a full tackle and proceeded to whale on him.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 11, 2009 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The dude took Porcello down with a full tackle and proceeded to whale on him.
Sounds like a successful mound charging!
We're all basically Pedro Feliz.
Wailmer used tackle
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
no... Porcello took Uk down.
saw it myself.
f**k, man, there's a beverage here!
by seesdifferent on Aug 11, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
he took the entire UK down?
The UN won’t like this.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 13, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He totally threw it at Porcello. Porcello actually threw him down but I don’t think any punches were exchanged
Cabrera got hit(unintentional), so they threw at Victor Martinez in the first but missed. THen the next inning they threw at Youkilis and he lost his shit.
Do you know what inning this happened in?
time to check it out on mlb.tv..
New info from Schulman
We all speculated that Rich Aurilia would be the odd man out when Schierholtz returned, and I still think that’s the ultimate outcome. Last night, reporters saw Aurilia hugging a coach, suggesting he might be gone. Today, Aurilia was mad at us because his wife saw the reports and became upset. But we saw what we saw.
“I’m active today,” Aurilia said curtly. “That’s all you guys need to know.”
Bochy would not shed light on the situation, other tha saying, “At this point, Richie’s on the club. I don’t have anything else to add at this point.”
Bochy is hoping Sanchez can return for today’s series finale, Uribe can spell Edgar Renteria at short and Schierholtz can be activated and start in the outfield. However, Bochy suggested the team could wait until Friday in New York to activate Schierholtz based on other needs."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=22#ixzz0NvLuJ1Px
He’s mad because he didn’t tell his wife that he might be getting cut? Puh-lease.
Why can’t athletes just retire when they’re done instead of making us hate them?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
So maybe instead of being mad that reporters, you know, reported the news, maybe he should be mad at himself for not talking about it with her.
Of course, I’m guessing that he’s not really mad about that in particular, but maybe more about losing his job in general.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s Vinny Castilla all over again.
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Boston brawls w/ tigers? Why aren’t the Giants Dodgers getting into it?
I haven’t seen a dodger giant brawl since I don’t know when.
Boch should have had valdez come in and toss a seed into blake’s ribs.
win or lose this series, I want some freaking payback
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PG, no-no, shutout gone
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
A groundball pitcher on the mound with Velez at 2B? I’m thinking it’s about to get clanky up in this bitch.
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